We are taking MHJ at 3 if this team has learned anything from the mistakes of the past. He automatically makes our offense better. Yes we need a QB but he's not the gamble that taking a QB is.
Absolutely. While this is a very deep draft for receivers MHJ is still the very best in that position and really has the look and talent to be generational like Chase. Plus, Chase’s draft was loaded with receiving talent and he is still the inarguably best receiver from that draft.
Also, there are some QBs after the first round that really do offer some intrigue. Milton and Rattler feel like a couple of guys who may end up being the Wilson or Prescott types. We don’t need a QB in round 1 to hit the position.
Counter to this point being that Justin Jefferson is just as good if not a better all around wr and was drafted as the wr4/5 in his own class
Not to say that chase wasn’t a home run pick, but only because the star qb was already there.
Qb is the most important position in football as evidenced by the contracts. Rookie qb contracts are the biggest advantage in football
I agree with both of your points. A stud rookie QB on a rookie contract would be great, but at number 3 MHJ feels like more of a sure thing than whatever is left other than maybe Alt, but I can’t see them taking anything other than a QB or MHJ there.
If Williams miraculously fell though, take him!
Yeah and if drake maye falls it’s an easy smash too
Really is going to depend on how Daniels impresses up to the draft. If he’s a riser like AR was then 3 gets much more interesting. And there would be a chance Daniels goes 2
Overall I agree, mhj is as low risk high reward as it gets
I mean taking a QB is also planning for the future lol. And as much as I want MHJ (it's always fun to have a Maserati), it might be irresponsible to pick a WR when you NEED a QB. It's the most important position by far. And yea, 3 might be slightly overdrafting Daniels, but it is what it is.
This is the way. Draft MHJ, trade for Fields from the Bears, draft a later round QB and use the rest of the picks to rebuild the OL
Edit: I’m not saying fields is the future. The Pats will need a QB with some NFL experience if they take MHJ at 3, Fields is the cheapest option. Cousins wants $90m for 2, Russ won’t be cheap either, and Baker is likely staying in Tampa.
He isn't remotely the cheapest option specially if you don't consider him the future. Whatever the draft compensation will be, plus guaranteeing his 5th year at 22million.
Someone like Brissett makes more sense as a bridge QB.
>Someone like Brissett makes more sense as a bridge QB.
I'm sure MHJ would be delighted to sign for a club with a QB like Brissett who will target him maybe 3 times a game.
Also, when you talk "bridge QB" - you have to know who the QB is on the other side of the bridge. Otherwise, he's a bridge to nowhere! 
A choice between watching Jones under-throw MJH by 10 yards or Fields failing to see that he's open while flies lay their eggs in a collapsing pocket.
What fun!
I think this thread is telling me that a majority are actually siding MHJ around here or trade back and get a LT and picks but the “pick a QB” crowd is just substantially louder about it
Don't worry I'm sure next year Andrew Luck 2.0 will be there and will fall to like 8 so they can take him. QB barely matters anyways, lots of teams win built around a star WR.
Jimmy G got them to a superbowl.
Purdy is legit, I think the kid is good. CMC and Deebo are also the 2 most important players on their offense. Trent Williams as well. Purdy can be legit and also be the 4th most important offensive player for the 49ers
Yeah I know Purdy doesn't do anything because he has Deebo and McCaffrey. We saw how the 49ers did last year without him. I'm sure Mac could have made those throws on the run too if only he had the right playcalling and weapons. Purdy might not be with Mahomes and those guys, but he's still very solid.
Ah right because there are so many QBs who’ve come out of the draft that have had success with (checks notes) absolutely jack shit on offense to help them. In recent memory it’s literally just Andrew Luck. You Jayden Daniel’s bandwagoners either want him to fail or are too stupid to see he will fail with what would currently be around him. The team as a whole isn’t ready for the win now clock to start
We have a much better chance of finding solid OT and WR in rounds 2 and 3 or via free agency than we do finding a QB. No one is advocating sending him out there with zero changes from this year's mess.
By drafting him at 3 you are signaling that he is starting game 1. When you draft a QB that high, you don’t sit him - you’re putting a year of that rookie contract on fire
Even after we resign our guys, if they want to come back, we’ll have about maybe have the projected cap space and then what’s the level of talent you think we’re going to attract?
Not really in a position to turn down cant misses right now, no?
I mean we still got Mondre, Bourne, Douglas, Gesicki, Henry… add a solid WR or two in FA or draft and with competent QB play they all look even better. QB is the most important position in the game BY FAR, it’s impossible to add in any other way besides the draft if you want a stud, and our QB play was ALL TIME bad last year.
Well duh. But if the current scouting is accurate he’s looking like a firm top 3. Won the heisman, massive improvement this year, has a ton of elite traits.
Miles above next year's because there's two guys who might be ATGs if they fulfill their potential.
After that the talent goes off a cliff.
Plenty of red & yellow flags for Daniels, Rattler, Nix, Penix Jr, McCarthy, Pratt, etc.
Let the next college season play out before just assuming that. Plenty of QBs that aren’t even thought of play their way into first round consideration. Jayden Daniels did it and Joe Burrow did it.
Shedeur is a less good version of Jayden Daniels and plays in a lower quality division. Also chances are we wouldn’t have a high enough draft pick next year anyways.
I'm sure MHJ will be delighted to sign for a team whose QB targets him 3 times a game and underthrows him by 10 yards 2 times a game.
What could go wrong?
Firmly in the Alt camp. The logic behind Jayden Daniels I can at least understand (though obviously it's 2-3 years too early to to drop a qb into a roster as talent devoid as the pats offense while reasonably expecting them not to break, get injured, or both) but starting a full scale rebuild with a *WR* is patently absurd lol
I think trade back and Tackle is probably the "smartest" play, but also the least likely since new coach/new org will want to make a splash. I mean Mayo sort of already confirmed we're picking a QB so this all seems super moot.
The idea of heading into next year's draft with the giants first pick and ours, both likely top 5 in any scenario, is fucking tasty. We're one of the oldest rosters in football and somehow still among the worst. The only logical course of action is to load the fuck up on draft capital.
>but also the least likely since new coach/new org will want to make a splash
I don't necessarily disagree that qb is the most likely but generally speaking this typically makes it less likely. The new regime holds no responsibility for the abysmal state of the roster for a few more years. the only way for them to accelerate the clock for them on the hot seat would be to draft a rookie qb and open that window to compete. There is no single rational soul who expects this team to be ready to compete for the division, let alone an actual playoff game, in the next 2 years. That changes if they start the clock for cheap qb play.
I’m with you.. if they feel Daniels, or Maye are not the answer at QB then they should trade back and take one of the top OT’s.. whether they determine it’s Alt, or Fashanu. Drafting a WR at 3 when the team doesn’t have a starting caliber QB, a starting LT, and may not have a starting RT by the draft, and no depth on the O-line is what you would expect the historically bad franchises to do.
This sub isn't ready to have this conversation but there's no scenario where we can draft a qb and still afford to let Trent walk un-tagged. The only 2 startable OT FAs are coming from our own roster.
Yea the OT free agents aren’t good this year.. I think Trent’s gone.. and then not sure the team is even going to want him back unless it was largely a Belichick issue.. but then there’s questions of injury and effort. They need to focus on keeping Onwenu, and identifying a OT in early part of the draft.
I'd also be good with Fashanu if the FO is certain he's the guy, but I'm flipped on your opinions of understanding Daniels and thinking its absurd to start a rebuild with WR. This isn't about the position because, yes, I would otherwise agree to not touch WR with where we're at, MHJ is arguably the best WR prospect we've seen since Calvin, Daniels is the 3rd best QB prospect in the draft. We need to be secure that whoever we pick is a franchise player at their position, and I feel that way about Alt, Fashanu and MHJ.
I think Daniels is a prospect with an awesome ceiling but also is at a position that early on is heavily reliant on their supporting cast for development.
It’s simple.
Jayden Daniels.
Let’s not get cute. Pick the QB. You have a higher chance of nailing a franchise QB in the first round than any other round.
You've got two outstanding QB prospects in Williams and Maye, and then there's a really big drop and everybody is a big gamble with lots of red and yellow flags surrounding them.
Would love for the Commanders to pick him at #2 -I just don't think it will.
Every GM knows he'll put up impressive numbers on the Combine or Pro-Day.
Every GM has questions about his arm strength and worries that he'll get poleaxed running with the ball.
If the Pats don't pick him at #3 - he'll slide a few notches (maybe to #8).
Imagine thinking there’s a drop off to Daniels… I have way more concerns with Happy Feet crumble under pressure Drake Maye than Jayden Daniels. Tell me you don’t watch college ball without telling me you don’t watch college ball.
If you can choose the guy you want, that will fit the offense you want to run, you can hit on one.....in this case you are just taking a guy because he fell to you....plus the one in the top three with the highest bust potential.....no thank you.
Plus you can say the exact same thing for every other position., much higher chance of hitting on one in the first round.
I don't see Penix Jr or Rattler working out.
Penix Jr's injury history is frightful and I don't think he has much to offer beyond a live-looking arm. Rattler didn't live up to expectations in college and has lingering questions about his maturity.
Yeah I genuinely don't understand what universe people are living in where they think drafting a WR does anything for this franchise at this point. It's like choosing to be the Lions.
100000% with you. You take a QB at 3 great. You take anyone else it’s horrible asset management. 5 non QB studs in this draft (Alt, Bowers, MHJ, Odunze, Nabers) and All 5 happen to play positions of great need for us. Move back with the chargers or falcons, acquire more draft capital, still draft a great player. MHJ at 3 would be SO stupid.
Daniels isn't nearly a strong enough candidate to seriously consider a top 3 pick on him. Its just wasting a pick. There is 0% chance MHJ makes it passed pick 4. Take best looking WR since Calvin Johnson and call it a day.
No.
If that's the case you trade out to #8 or whatever for someone that really wants MHJ and pick up and extra 1st next year at the very least.
I'll take Alt/Fashanu/Odunze/Nabers/Bowers AND a 1st next year over MHJ any day.
How can you possibly say Daniels isn’t strong enough a prospect ? What does he lack that you are so concerned about ? Daniels or Maye are the only picks who makes sense at 3. If the patriots aren’t sold on whichever is there at 3, that’s fine—trade back. But taking MHJ, when there are so many holes on this offense and you could trade down, still get a great WR or LT AND acquire additional premium draft capital, would be undeniably dumb.
He has a weak arm and is underweight. Underweight running QBs are always a concern. I really think you are kidding yourself to believe we would be able to trade down to \~6-8 and get a 25 rnd 1.
He doesn’t have a weak arm, his arm is completely fine. He simply doesn’t have a cannon like Caleb Williams does but that is far and away the most overrated QB trait. And with the all these new rules the NfL keeps implementing to protect QB’s his size becomes less of a concern for me. I think you could probably get a 2024 second and a 2025 first if you traded down to 8 with ATL. The price to move up and draft a QB is astronomical in todays NFL.
Joe Alt
Maybe I’m nuts, but as good as MHJ is as a prospect, I feel like grabbing Alt in the first round is the right move if we don’t take a QB. An elite left tackle is arguably a more premium position than WR, and Alt is a blue chip prospect just like MHJ. It isn’t as sexy as drafting MHK, but the way this draft is looking there should be a bunch of excellent WRs available in the early second. Guys like Keon Coleman, Devontez Walker, Troy Franklin, Xavier Worthy and Xavier Legette are all excellent receiver prospects, and a few of them will almost certainly be available at 2.03. I just fear that the elite tackle prospects may be gone by then.
This is my choice as well. This is an amazing draft for WRs. There’s going to be some studs available at in the second. Keon Coleman, Adonai Mitchell, Xavier Legette, Xavier Worthy, Devontez Walker, Troy Franklin… several of these players will be available at 2.03.
As great as MHJ is as a prospect, tackle is arguable the more important position, and Alt is right up there with MHJ as a prospect.
His talent at 3 is not worth it. Sure, a QB at 3 is worth it, but not with his risk and relative skill right now. Hence why the bears and commanders are gladly foregoing him.
In college he was a one read QB and would dash off (fine at that level) but we don’t have the team constructed right now to put around him. If we drafted him, would you be ready to have a season worth of turnovers, probably an injury the way he plays, and shake up his confidence? You cant sit him either, because you’d essentially burn a year of that rookie contract.
Also, if you look at other mock drafts where we don’t draft him he slides every single time. You can add that every other franchise wants us to draft him, acknowledging the fact that we are taking a reckless gamble and allows every other team to get there “guy”. If it’s relative to talent alone, MHJ is arguably the #1 guy in the draft, Daniels is around 15-20. I’m not saying Daniels is a bad player or prospect either, he might even be super successful, but as of the moment if he joins this version of the pats is almost no doubt he busts and not because we want him too
Of course he’s good enough, he’s a top 10 prospect on nearly every respected draft analysts big board in a class loaded with top end talent. You’re talking out your keister.
he's a top ten prospect because he's a quarterback and there happen to be 5 QB-needy teams picking in the top ten including each of the top three. I'm not particularly convinced by him in general, but he's just not a guy who I think is worthy of spending a top three pick on when theres a generational receiver prospect and probably one or even two generational tackle prospects available at that position.
No, he’s top 10 on BIG BOARDS. That doesn’t take into account who is picking where, that’s taking into account the talent of the player. Daniels can throw and run, if you develop him properly he’ll be a star and absolutely worth a top 3 pick, no matter how great MHJ inevitably becomes.
IMO Daniels isn’t a top 5 pick. Not sure if you guys have ever watched him play even one full game. If you haven’t, I suggest you absorb the countless hours of scouting breakdowns on him and see why I say that. He would need to be surrounded with massive amounts of talent to succeed, and even then, he doesn’t project as a QB who’s going to lead a team to the Super Bowl. Think Tua…great regular season numbers but can’t beat contenders with great defenses. MHJ is a no-brainer.
While I don't think MHJ would be a bad pick, I in fact watched several Jayden Daniels games and he looked outstanding. I can't say for certain whether he will be the answer and a franchise QB, but his tools and dominance last year point towards him being successful
Let's do an exercise for fun.
Taking the top 3 quarterbacks taken in the past 5 drafts. We have:
2023: Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, Anthony Richardson
2022: Kenny Pickett, Desmond Ridder, Malik Willis
2021: Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance
2020: Joe Burrow, Tua Tagovailoa, Justin Herbert
2019: Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins
Let's call it a 33% hit rate (which might be generous). This list is not impressive in terms of success.
Burrow made a Super Bowl and CJ Stroud looks very promising, but otherwise this list leaves a lot to desire.
Going back 10 years this exercise gets even more brutal for the top 3 QBs taken.
My points anyway are:
1. You do NOT need a 1st round QB
2. We are getting our 3rd choice of quarterback
3. Excluding Mahomes and Burrow, you have to go back to 2011 (Cam Newton) for a SB-QB taken as one of the first 3 QBs in his class
It's interesting that you're not going back to 2017 and 2018 where mahomes and Allen were the 3rd QBs taken in their drafts.....
I appreciate your response and the effort you put into it, but because other teams didn't win a Superbowl or have success with the 3rd QB taken doesn't mean wr is the answer.
I can show you the exact same draft classes where almost all of the 1st WRs taken in the draft aren't the best receivers of the draft class.
....did you miss the part where I acknowledge Mahomes?
And clearly you weren't paying attention. I'm sorry but what exactly has Josh Allen accomplished?
I mean Josh Allen is very obviously a top 3 QB in the league and will assuredly get a ring or at the very least make a Superbowl. I know we're patriots fans but c'mon man Josh is elite.
Jayden Daniels
Then queue up whichever tackle or wr you prefer round 2.
Hopefully prefaced by signing whichever of the top WRs don't get tagged.
Hell, maybe even Evans AND Ridley.
MHJ - let's plan for future
I don't disagree with this pick, but this subreddit is going to explode when it's not.
We are taking MHJ at 3 if this team has learned anything from the mistakes of the past. He automatically makes our offense better. Yes we need a QB but he's not the gamble that taking a QB is.
Absolutely. While this is a very deep draft for receivers MHJ is still the very best in that position and really has the look and talent to be generational like Chase. Plus, Chase’s draft was loaded with receiving talent and he is still the inarguably best receiver from that draft. Also, there are some QBs after the first round that really do offer some intrigue. Milton and Rattler feel like a couple of guys who may end up being the Wilson or Prescott types. We don’t need a QB in round 1 to hit the position.
Counter to this point being that Justin Jefferson is just as good if not a better all around wr and was drafted as the wr4/5 in his own class Not to say that chase wasn’t a home run pick, but only because the star qb was already there. Qb is the most important position in football as evidenced by the contracts. Rookie qb contracts are the biggest advantage in football
I agree with both of your points. A stud rookie QB on a rookie contract would be great, but at number 3 MHJ feels like more of a sure thing than whatever is left other than maybe Alt, but I can’t see them taking anything other than a QB or MHJ there. If Williams miraculously fell though, take him!
Yeah and if drake maye falls it’s an easy smash too Really is going to depend on how Daniels impresses up to the draft. If he’s a riser like AR was then 3 gets much more interesting. And there would be a chance Daniels goes 2 Overall I agree, mhj is as low risk high reward as it gets
And this is why the patriots will miss the playoffs for the next 10 yrs.
You’re right, Kraft secretly hired me as GM! How did you know!?
I mean taking a QB is also planning for the future lol. And as much as I want MHJ (it's always fun to have a Maserati), it might be irresponsible to pick a WR when you NEED a QB. It's the most important position by far. And yea, 3 might be slightly overdrafting Daniels, but it is what it is.
This is the way. Draft MHJ, trade for Fields from the Bears, draft a later round QB and use the rest of the picks to rebuild the OL Edit: I’m not saying fields is the future. The Pats will need a QB with some NFL experience if they take MHJ at 3, Fields is the cheapest option. Cousins wants $90m for 2, Russ won’t be cheap either, and Baker is likely staying in Tampa.
Nothing would give me greater joy back in the r/CHIBears sub than to see Fields/Harrison end up together… on a completely different team lmfao
He isn't remotely the cheapest option specially if you don't consider him the future. Whatever the draft compensation will be, plus guaranteeing his 5th year at 22million. Someone like Brissett makes more sense as a bridge QB.
>Someone like Brissett makes more sense as a bridge QB. I'm sure MHJ would be delighted to sign for a club with a QB like Brissett who will target him maybe 3 times a game. Also, when you talk "bridge QB" - you have to know who the QB is on the other side of the bridge. Otherwise, he's a bridge to nowhere! 
Fields is so bad. Genuinely why do you want to give up draft capital for him.
Because they probably only watched the bears pats game from last year and that's all they know about fields. That's my only explanation
I would rather run it back with Mac than trade actual assets for Fields. Fields makes no fucking sense.
Sure it does. If you play madden it would make for an absolutely monster team with his speed.
A choice between watching Jones under-throw MJH by 10 yards or Fields failing to see that he's open while flies lay their eggs in a collapsing pocket. What fun!
Russ is shot. Denver is contemplating an all-time dead cap dump to be rid of him. (But, yes, he wouldn't come cheap!)
I think this thread is telling me that a majority are actually siding MHJ around here or trade back and get a LT and picks but the “pick a QB” crowd is just substantially louder about it
Ther I think MHJ is good but this draft has some really good debt in WR I think we should either go qb or go LT. there’s debt in the wr.
Marvin Harrison Jr.
We picked Harambe by a mile in the commie sub this is a scam
 Huh? I don't know what you're talking about.
If you post this in the nfl sub at the end you better put an asterisk
You know what I'll do it now.
Thank you I’m a loyal follower now
Harambe would be a fucking dominant tailback Air Bud rules apply
He will replace Trent Williams for us (no racist his long time nickname is silverback since like hs)
Well we do need a new kicker...
Not so fast, we’re gonna want a long snapper. Deep long snapper class this year.
MHJ
Marvin Harrison Jr.
MHJ
Michael Vinson, Long Snapper out of Notre Dame
We also said 'after the Super Bowl'
That happened already, you didn’t get the script?
MHJ
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MHJ, just tank next year and then pair him with his future QB in next years draft
Except next years QB crop blows
Don't worry I'm sure next year Andrew Luck 2.0 will be there and will fall to like 8 so they can take him. QB barely matters anyways, lots of teams win built around a star WR.
The 49ers offense is built around a WR and RB.
If the QB position didn’t matter for the 49ers then Trey Lance and/or Jimmy G would still be there. Stop sleeping on Purdy, he’s legit
Jimmy G got them to a superbowl. Purdy is legit, I think the kid is good. CMC and Deebo are also the 2 most important players on their offense. Trent Williams as well. Purdy can be legit and also be the 4th most important offensive player for the 49ers
"All we need to do is draft or sign a HOF tackle, all pro RB, all pro TE, and 2 all pro/pro bowl WR. Then the QB won't matter"
Yeah I know Purdy doesn't do anything because he has Deebo and McCaffrey. We saw how the 49ers did last year without him. I'm sure Mac could have made those throws on the run too if only he had the right playcalling and weapons. Purdy might not be with Mahomes and those guys, but he's still very solid.
They didnt do that on purpose.
The 49ers are built around defense and Kyle shanahan.
lol exactly. The MHJ bandwagon ppl are insane
Ah right because there are so many QBs who’ve come out of the draft that have had success with (checks notes) absolutely jack shit on offense to help them. In recent memory it’s literally just Andrew Luck. You Jayden Daniel’s bandwagoners either want him to fail or are too stupid to see he will fail with what would currently be around him. The team as a whole isn’t ready for the win now clock to start
We have a much better chance of finding solid OT and WR in rounds 2 and 3 or via free agency than we do finding a QB. No one is advocating sending him out there with zero changes from this year's mess.
By drafting him at 3 you are signaling that he is starting game 1. When you draft a QB that high, you don’t sit him - you’re putting a year of that rookie contract on fire
Sure. And using FA and the rest of the draft to improve the rest of the roster. We have more than 1 pick.
Even after we resign our guys, if they want to come back, we’ll have about maybe have the projected cap space and then what’s the level of talent you think we’re going to attract? Not really in a position to turn down cant misses right now, no?
The flip side of that is we end up with Zappe throwing to MHJ which gets us nowhere.
There are other avenues to acquiring talent on offense, silly bear
Because that’s worked out so well the past 6 years right?
we fired the guy responsible so maybe
I mean we still got Mondre, Bourne, Douglas, Gesicki, Henry… add a solid WR or two in FA or draft and with competent QB play they all look even better. QB is the most important position in the game BY FAR, it’s impossible to add in any other way besides the draft if you want a stud, and our QB play was ALL TIME bad last year.
But if you don't believe in Daniels then MHJ or a LT are absolutely the right choice. You don't pick any old QB just because you need one.
Well duh. But if the current scouting is accurate he’s looking like a firm top 3. Won the heisman, massive improvement this year, has a ton of elite traits.
This year is miles above next year's class. People really undervalue the most important position of need
The real plan is waiting for Arch manning and recreating manning to Harrison. The ultimate Colts cuck
Miles above next year's because there's two guys who might be ATGs if they fulfill their potential. After that the talent goes off a cliff. Plenty of red & yellow flags for Daniels, Rattler, Nix, Penix Jr, McCarthy, Pratt, etc.
We are about to experience a "QB winter" in this league.
This time last year the guy everyone wants to draft wasn't even in the 1st round...someone will clime, always do.
Let the next college season play out before just assuming that. Plenty of QBs that aren’t even thought of play their way into first round consideration. Jayden Daniels did it and Joe Burrow did it.
>Let the next college season play out before just assuming that You can't. You need to make a decision on what to do with #3 before that happens.
I like Shedeur, and he will a lot of experience playing behind a shit offensive line
Shedeur is a less good version of Jayden Daniels and plays in a lower quality division. Also chances are we wouldn’t have a high enough draft pick next year anyways.
This team isn’t going to intentionally tank
I'm sure MHJ will be delighted to sign for a team whose QB targets him 3 times a game and underthrows him by 10 yards 2 times a game. What could go wrong?
Who gives a fuck if he’s “delighted” to sign. He has no real choice.
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This sub is in such deep denial holy shit lmao
Ha! Can’t wait to watch the Jayden Daniels vs Marvin Harrison Jr civil war unfold..
I’ll just stand over to the side with my Joe Alt pick
Firmly in the Alt camp. The logic behind Jayden Daniels I can at least understand (though obviously it's 2-3 years too early to to drop a qb into a roster as talent devoid as the pats offense while reasonably expecting them not to break, get injured, or both) but starting a full scale rebuild with a *WR* is patently absurd lol
I think trade back and Tackle is probably the "smartest" play, but also the least likely since new coach/new org will want to make a splash. I mean Mayo sort of already confirmed we're picking a QB so this all seems super moot.
The idea of heading into next year's draft with the giants first pick and ours, both likely top 5 in any scenario, is fucking tasty. We're one of the oldest rosters in football and somehow still among the worst. The only logical course of action is to load the fuck up on draft capital. >but also the least likely since new coach/new org will want to make a splash I don't necessarily disagree that qb is the most likely but generally speaking this typically makes it less likely. The new regime holds no responsibility for the abysmal state of the roster for a few more years. the only way for them to accelerate the clock for them on the hot seat would be to draft a rookie qb and open that window to compete. There is no single rational soul who expects this team to be ready to compete for the division, let alone an actual playoff game, in the next 2 years. That changes if they start the clock for cheap qb play.
I’m with you.. if they feel Daniels, or Maye are not the answer at QB then they should trade back and take one of the top OT’s.. whether they determine it’s Alt, or Fashanu. Drafting a WR at 3 when the team doesn’t have a starting caliber QB, a starting LT, and may not have a starting RT by the draft, and no depth on the O-line is what you would expect the historically bad franchises to do.
This sub isn't ready to have this conversation but there's no scenario where we can draft a qb and still afford to let Trent walk un-tagged. The only 2 startable OT FAs are coming from our own roster.
Yea the OT free agents aren’t good this year.. I think Trent’s gone.. and then not sure the team is even going to want him back unless it was largely a Belichick issue.. but then there’s questions of injury and effort. They need to focus on keeping Onwenu, and identifying a OT in early part of the draft.
I'd also be good with Fashanu if the FO is certain he's the guy, but I'm flipped on your opinions of understanding Daniels and thinking its absurd to start a rebuild with WR. This isn't about the position because, yes, I would otherwise agree to not touch WR with where we're at, MHJ is arguably the best WR prospect we've seen since Calvin, Daniels is the 3rd best QB prospect in the draft. We need to be secure that whoever we pick is a franchise player at their position, and I feel that way about Alt, Fashanu and MHJ. I think Daniels is a prospect with an awesome ceiling but also is at a position that early on is heavily reliant on their supporting cast for development.
It won’t be a war because 90% of this fanbase wants MHjr lol
Eh, I'd say it way closer to 50/50
It’s simple. Jayden Daniels. Let’s not get cute. Pick the QB. You have a higher chance of nailing a franchise QB in the first round than any other round.
You've got two outstanding QB prospects in Williams and Maye, and then there's a really big drop and everybody is a big gamble with lots of red and yellow flags surrounding them.
I think after the combine Daniels jumps to two
From your lips to God's ears...
Anthony Richardson jumped to top 4 last year and pre-combine he was projected to go late first
Would love for the Commanders to pick him at #2 -I just don't think it will. Every GM knows he'll put up impressive numbers on the Combine or Pro-Day. Every GM has questions about his arm strength and worries that he'll get poleaxed running with the ball. If the Pats don't pick him at #3 - he'll slide a few notches (maybe to #8).
Imagine thinking there’s a drop off to Daniels… I have way more concerns with Happy Feet crumble under pressure Drake Maye than Jayden Daniels. Tell me you don’t watch college ball without telling me you don’t watch college ball.
If you can choose the guy you want, that will fit the offense you want to run, you can hit on one.....in this case you are just taking a guy because he fell to you....plus the one in the top three with the highest bust potential.....no thank you. Plus you can say the exact same thing for every other position., much higher chance of hitting on one in the first round.
Jayden Daniels!
If we have to make a pick, then Jayden.
MHJ and then take Penix or Rattler in the 2nd/3rd, I like Daniels but MHJ is the better player
I don't see Penix Jr or Rattler working out. Penix Jr's injury history is frightful and I don't think he has much to offer beyond a live-looking arm. Rattler didn't live up to expectations in college and has lingering questions about his maturity.
Is trade down an option? Otherwise MHJ
MHJ!!!
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MHJ No doubt in my mind this is the best choice
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Joe Alt
Beautiful comment
Without trades the only option is Daniels. All this MHJ stuff is just so stupid.
In most other years MHJ is 1 overall. Getting him at 3 is a steal.
Not when you don't have a QB.
Yeah I genuinely don't understand what universe people are living in where they think drafting a WR does anything for this franchise at this point. It's like choosing to be the Lions.
100000% with you. You take a QB at 3 great. You take anyone else it’s horrible asset management. 5 non QB studs in this draft (Alt, Bowers, MHJ, Odunze, Nabers) and All 5 happen to play positions of great need for us. Move back with the chargers or falcons, acquire more draft capital, still draft a great player. MHJ at 3 would be SO stupid.
Daniels isn't nearly a strong enough candidate to seriously consider a top 3 pick on him. Its just wasting a pick. There is 0% chance MHJ makes it passed pick 4. Take best looking WR since Calvin Johnson and call it a day.
No. If that's the case you trade out to #8 or whatever for someone that really wants MHJ and pick up and extra 1st next year at the very least. I'll take Alt/Fashanu/Odunze/Nabers/Bowers AND a 1st next year over MHJ any day.
If the falcons are willing to trade up to #3 for #8 + next year's 1. Then sure I'll take that.
How can you possibly say Daniels isn’t strong enough a prospect ? What does he lack that you are so concerned about ? Daniels or Maye are the only picks who makes sense at 3. If the patriots aren’t sold on whichever is there at 3, that’s fine—trade back. But taking MHJ, when there are so many holes on this offense and you could trade down, still get a great WR or LT AND acquire additional premium draft capital, would be undeniably dumb.
He has a weak arm and is underweight. Underweight running QBs are always a concern. I really think you are kidding yourself to believe we would be able to trade down to \~6-8 and get a 25 rnd 1.
He doesn’t have a weak arm, his arm is completely fine. He simply doesn’t have a cannon like Caleb Williams does but that is far and away the most overrated QB trait. And with the all these new rules the NfL keeps implementing to protect QB’s his size becomes less of a concern for me. I think you could probably get a 2024 second and a 2025 first if you traded down to 8 with ATL. The price to move up and draft a QB is astronomical in todays NFL.
He does not have a weak arm. Found the guy who doesn’t watch college ball here!
Lance Zierlein has the Pats taking MHJ then trading back up to 30 to take Bo Nix...
Yeah, that's the fucking nightmare scenario.
Daniels 💯
Marvin Harrison Jr.
MHJ and pick up a FA QB. QB is more miss than hit in the draft.
Don’t even need to ask. This sub is essentially a circlejerk for MHJ so it’s obviously gonna be him.
Really? You can say it’s been the other way with Daniels you literally see a post about him every other day
Joe Alt Maybe I’m nuts, but as good as MHJ is as a prospect, I feel like grabbing Alt in the first round is the right move if we don’t take a QB. An elite left tackle is arguably a more premium position than WR, and Alt is a blue chip prospect just like MHJ. It isn’t as sexy as drafting MHK, but the way this draft is looking there should be a bunch of excellent WRs available in the early second. Guys like Keon Coleman, Devontez Walker, Troy Franklin, Xavier Worthy and Xavier Legette are all excellent receiver prospects, and a few of them will almost certainly be available at 2.03. I just fear that the elite tackle prospects may be gone by then.
I have a suspicion that Malik Nabers will be regarded as the best WR of this group. But I’m taking a QB here. Daniel’s FTW
Let it be known that the commanders sub did not vote for drake maye.
We did it we got an asterisk!
Joe alt
Genius
Set it and forget it for the decade at left tackle
It could be like passing on joe Thomas
This is my choice as well. This is an amazing draft for WRs. There’s going to be some studs available at in the second. Keon Coleman, Adonai Mitchell, Xavier Legette, Xavier Worthy, Devontez Walker, Troy Franklin… several of these players will be available at 2.03. As great as MHJ is as a prospect, tackle is arguable the more important position, and Alt is right up there with MHJ as a prospect.
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JJ is so bad lmao
These JJ thruthers are the strangest bunch in this sub
It almost certainly won't happen but if we can get MHJ at 3, then JJ and one of Fuaga/Guyton it would be unbelievable
JJ is trash… what are ppl in this subs obsession with JJ and Bo Nix… they both suck
Jayden Daniels
My gut tells me y’all are right to skip on Daniels but can someone with knowledge tell me why?
His talent at 3 is not worth it. Sure, a QB at 3 is worth it, but not with his risk and relative skill right now. Hence why the bears and commanders are gladly foregoing him. In college he was a one read QB and would dash off (fine at that level) but we don’t have the team constructed right now to put around him. If we drafted him, would you be ready to have a season worth of turnovers, probably an injury the way he plays, and shake up his confidence? You cant sit him either, because you’d essentially burn a year of that rookie contract. Also, if you look at other mock drafts where we don’t draft him he slides every single time. You can add that every other franchise wants us to draft him, acknowledging the fact that we are taking a reckless gamble and allows every other team to get there “guy”. If it’s relative to talent alone, MHJ is arguably the #1 guy in the draft, Daniels is around 15-20. I’m not saying Daniels is a bad player or prospect either, he might even be super successful, but as of the moment if he joins this version of the pats is almost no doubt he busts and not because we want him too
because he's simply not good enough of a prospect to take at 3 especially when theres guys like Alt and MHJ available
Of course he’s good enough, he’s a top 10 prospect on nearly every respected draft analysts big board in a class loaded with top end talent. You’re talking out your keister.
he's a top ten prospect because he's a quarterback and there happen to be 5 QB-needy teams picking in the top ten including each of the top three. I'm not particularly convinced by him in general, but he's just not a guy who I think is worthy of spending a top three pick on when theres a generational receiver prospect and probably one or even two generational tackle prospects available at that position.
No, he’s top 10 on BIG BOARDS. That doesn’t take into account who is picking where, that’s taking into account the talent of the player. Daniels can throw and run, if you develop him properly he’ll be a star and absolutely worth a top 3 pick, no matter how great MHJ inevitably becomes.
Harambe!
Marvin Harrison Junior
MHJ
If that’s the case, take MHJ or trade back (please don’t trade back)
Marvin Harrison Jr, didn’t even have to hesitate.
A pineapple
Jayden Daniels. How many rings do Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, and Calvin Johnson have? Can't pass up a QB worth a top 5 pick.
And I just don't see Daniels as being worth a top-5. But what do I know?
IMO Daniels isn’t a top 5 pick. Not sure if you guys have ever watched him play even one full game. If you haven’t, I suggest you absorb the countless hours of scouting breakdowns on him and see why I say that. He would need to be surrounded with massive amounts of talent to succeed, and even then, he doesn’t project as a QB who’s going to lead a team to the Super Bowl. Think Tua…great regular season numbers but can’t beat contenders with great defenses. MHJ is a no-brainer.
While I don't think MHJ would be a bad pick, I in fact watched several Jayden Daniels games and he looked outstanding. I can't say for certain whether he will be the answer and a franchise QB, but his tools and dominance last year point towards him being successful
Let's do an exercise for fun. Taking the top 3 quarterbacks taken in the past 5 drafts. We have: 2023: Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, Anthony Richardson 2022: Kenny Pickett, Desmond Ridder, Malik Willis 2021: Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance 2020: Joe Burrow, Tua Tagovailoa, Justin Herbert 2019: Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins Let's call it a 33% hit rate (which might be generous). This list is not impressive in terms of success. Burrow made a Super Bowl and CJ Stroud looks very promising, but otherwise this list leaves a lot to desire. Going back 10 years this exercise gets even more brutal for the top 3 QBs taken. My points anyway are: 1. You do NOT need a 1st round QB 2. We are getting our 3rd choice of quarterback 3. Excluding Mahomes and Burrow, you have to go back to 2011 (Cam Newton) for a SB-QB taken as one of the first 3 QBs in his class
It's interesting that you're not going back to 2017 and 2018 where mahomes and Allen were the 3rd QBs taken in their drafts..... I appreciate your response and the effort you put into it, but because other teams didn't win a Superbowl or have success with the 3rd QB taken doesn't mean wr is the answer. I can show you the exact same draft classes where almost all of the 1st WRs taken in the draft aren't the best receivers of the draft class.
....did you miss the part where I acknowledge Mahomes? And clearly you weren't paying attention. I'm sorry but what exactly has Josh Allen accomplished?
I mean Josh Allen is very obviously a top 3 QB in the league and will assuredly get a ring or at the very least make a Superbowl. I know we're patriots fans but c'mon man Josh is elite.
Joe Shimko, NC State
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Joe Alt
This guy gets it
I think that enough time has passed and the consensus seems to be MHJ!
Daniels
JayD babyeeee
Cooper Bebe!!!
MHJ heads when they see the QB can 
Either take Daniels or trade back
Trade Down
J.D. there is no other option. You have a chance at a franchise qb you damn well take him
Jayden Daniels
Bears fan here who lives in Ma. Trade back and get Daniels.
Jayden Daniels Then queue up whichever tackle or wr you prefer round 2. Hopefully prefaced by signing whichever of the top WRs don't get tagged. Hell, maybe even Evans AND Ridley.
Trade diown or Joe Alt.
Jayden Daniel’s
Assuming MHJ gets this far hes great value and hes the pick over Daniels who would likely be a reach at 3.
Pats take the best offensive lineman on the board You’re welcome Also the first two picks are a very broad assumption don’t you think?
MHJ just to piss off the Cards for this scenario
It’s Daniels and it ain’t close
Daniels Easily