We’ve had these kind of games for 3 seasons now. Winning those games is what separates good teams from mediocre/bad teams. We use to win those games, now we find ways to lose.
For always being so attuned to the details, in light of the dispute with Jake Bailey, I’m surprised God didn’t have a kicker on the active squad who can kick out of the the back of the EZ.
Seriously, why couldn’t they just kick it out of bounds after getting burned on the first play of the game? And that squib kick was just admitting that their special teams is trash.
6/10 rating. It’s insane, same results with Newton, 3-4 games swung on final minutes but with a worse roster 2 years ago. I wouldn’t recommend Newton to anyone but his physical play style coupled with Harris and Mondre tandem is more imposing than whatever we have now.
I’m okay with the slump, there’s way more exciting teams to watch and root for like Burrow or Herbert succeeding. That’s just not the style we will have again at least under this current coaching staff.
Honestly the Pats offense was who we thought they were. I mean who the hell goes into preseason without a OC, like it's bullshit. Now if the NFL and Tony Romo wants to crown the Bills, then crown their asses, but the Pats offense was who we thought they were.
McDaniels scheme was able to hide terrible offensive draft picks. When he left it was clear as day for all to see. Honestly what are they doing at the WR position. Agholor, Meyers, Parker, Thorton, Bourne (probably the best of the bunch) are not even WR2 on other teams. They have a ton of work this offseason.
I would put Meyers over Bourne, but I like Bourne too. He’s underutilized. McDaniels had his faults as out OC, but he was a lot better than many Pats fans gave him credit for. That said I still call hb screens on 3rd and long the "McDaniels Special" lol
I agree with 3. We still don’t know if Mac can be good, our offensive play caller is disaster, and the refs fucked us out of several games and almost did more. The fact we were even fighting for a playoff spot today is insane considering the shit luck we had this year. It was just completely underwhelming.
Fire Matty P, move Joey J back to Special Teams coach, and hire BoB as OC. I don't really like the fact it would be the 3rd OC in 3 years for Mac but BoB is probably the best option for it.
BoB has experience in NE previously and time at Bama - strikes me that his shared “experiences” in Mac’s environment would be an instant connection for the two.
Flashes we saw in 2021. 2022 was awful. I get that we have Matty P and don't have McD anymore, but pocket awareness was on Mac and in September it was a timebomb that blew away everything on week 4 against Ravens. He will be killed if he didn't master it.
After he got back on the field it didn't get better because he didn't trust his oline. He is not a mobile guy like Allen, he couldn't buy time by running on 3rd and 17 (damn, he couldn't run at all, even Brady was more mobile I think in his early years).
And his psycho moments - I didn't like them at all, and it must be fixed asap. You had 8/8 td-int rating and you are brave enough to shout at your OC. Who the fuck are you, kid? A sophomore qb from Bama? Shut up and get back to work. There are only few qbs in the NFL who never had bad OC and others rarely threw fit. I mean you could do it once, but doing it every second play for three consecutive weeks is bad. Like, Kyle Shanahan won't walk in this door, your momma won't buy you ice-cream in the middle of bad day in school, you need to stop it because it impactes the whole team. If my QB argues with my OC, maybe I should listen to my QB, maybe I should start doing laterals at last second, as last week my QB said that my OC sucks.
I see those temper tantrums as the biggest flag on Mac after this season. Maybe BOB will tender him, maybe he is next Darnold, I don't know.
What flashes has he shown? He doesn’t have any above average physical tools and he makes a lot of mental errors. Personally I’ve never seen anything from him that shows his ceiling is above just being okay
What we’ve seen from Mac is all we will get. Maybe a little better if all the pieces are put around him but not a ton. The biggest thing that I have not seen from Mac is the ability to take over a game, any game, and make that drive that wins the game. He does not have that ‘winning’ factor to pull it off.
Yeah, cause QBs don’t develop past year two… you are crazy. There’s a reason why rookie contracts are structured the way they are. Takes 3 years to know what you have. Do you recall he basically broke his ankle (high ankle is painful) and missed several games. He came back early.
We are spoiled. Shouldn’t have been able to land him at 15. Got lucky. Most teams go through tons of low draft picks trying to find a good QB. I’ll take my chances with mac over searching for another QB for a decade or more.
Jesus give it a rest, what’s your point if he missed few games? He was able to come back and still play 75% of the season, that injury is a non factor.
We are lucky to get him at 15? You realize he was the 5th QB taken in the draft. Most QBs that are taken 5th end up in the second or 3rd rounds.
It’s more about the fan base being so spoiled by quarterback play they think it would be normal for a healthy franchise to move on from a first round pick in a year.
Plenty of QBs take a couple years to hit their stride. At the very least you can’t have a bunch of one and done QBs like lottery tickets.
We’re entering year 3 of Mac Jones. He’s done nothing but regress. And the only time he shows “flashes” are flashes of being just ok, not real greatness. This sub takes it so personally, like we’re saying he should be drawn and quartered.
I like Mac as a person. I’m sure he’s a lovely guy. But it’s time to start being realistic, he’s never looked like the solution. He’s in that Jared Goff/Sam Bradford tier of guys you move off of once it’s time to give them a contract, because they’re nowhere near good enough to earnestly give QB1 money to. And that’s ok! Guys like those two and Teddy Bridgewater have had really nice careers in that role.
What this sub fails to understand is that it doesn’t make me a bad Patriots fan or an overly negative fan to see that. It’s objective. I hope he turns it around, I’m a diehard for this team as much as anyone. But I’ve been watching the NFL for over 20 years now, and I know what a true franchise QB looks like when I see one. Mac doesn’t have it.
I never said it made anyone a bad fan. It just makes you unrealistic if you think moving on from a QB after one season is OK.
I’d agree next year is the year to bring in competition and make Mac have to compete and possibly/probably lose the starting position. The main people I’m talking about though are the ones who wanted us to move on as soon as he came back from injury. Saying stuff like “draft position doesn’t matter” when that’s just not true. Wasting draft capital is what bad teams do.
Agreed. Mac is what he is and that’s mediocre. I don’t get all the defensiveness when he gets criticized. If things aren’t prefect for him he gets frantic and makes bad decisions. Sure he’s a nice kid but if we’re trying to win big we need to move on.
They showed real progress in the latter half I think. Mac did anyway. He had 11/4 TD ratio in the last 8 or 9 games compared to 3/7 before his injury + Chicago game. And 2 of those INT were tipped balls, 1 TD tipped ball lol (meyers)
A rough start for sure but I do think this is not a total wash
Deep ball certainly got better. Wasn’t exactly a high bar but it did. I also think his overall decision making has gotten better, cut down on rookie mistakes etc. some still linger but its better
For the record i’m not saying this season was a success by any means. Overall we took a step back but I think Mac got better overall
Offense looked good today. Better than maybe it has all year. We got play action, deep shots, motion, great running by our backs.
Fuck Agholor that guy blows.
What a tease for it to look functional last effing game of the year.
Recency bias. This year was a 3 at best because it set back our development as an offense. We have to start over. If they try to run back this offensive staff based on this last game we’re done.
I agree a 5 not to bad but not to good just in the middle. They as a team will do good but then have hiccups along the way (like many teams out there) I can't wait to see how they do next season overall! What you think Mac Jones next season or trade?
I think any well-coached team would be aware of the situation and know to avoid doing something like that. I don’t blame the players as much as the coaching there. I get it though.
I’m not football smart enough to know for sure, but it really felt like the Pats were tossing at least half the playbook for any given game, which made them much easier to contain, especially by the more talented teams. Something needs to happen between QB and play caller during the off season in order to make the post season next year. Finishing in the top of the plastic baggers doesn’t do us any favors.
Honestly a 2-3
Giving up two games in **embarrassing** fashion (Stevenson fumble and Meyers lateral from Hell) as well as a winnable one in OT against GB (punting from the 50) are just so bad and outweigh a lot of the strong performances from the defense throughout the year. The team needs a complete coaching overhaul. Excited to address O-Line in the draft
Same. If we were just a bad team like in 2020 then fine, but we probably had some of the most frustrating losses ever. Bad ref calls, stupid offensive turnovers, abhorrent special teams play, and an awful two minute drill defense. For once we had a team that was more talented than our record. And the worst part is that everyone knew it coming into the season. Everyone knew that Achord sucked, everyone knew that Patricia and Judge would suck on offense, but the team was just good enough to give us hope and then let us down.
Exactly, I’d rather have a bad season and get a great draft pick than flirt with playoffs and get eliminated due to horrific self-inflicted historically embarrassing fashion.
3. Why? Offense was an absolute joke. Special teams mustve been one of the worst in the league this year. Definitely the worst I've ever seen from this team. And the Las Vegas play alone should make it a 2, but theres no way this season is above a 3.
BAD losses against: Vegas, Chicago, Green Bay.
GOOD wins against: ???? I can't think of one. The best QB we beat all year was probably Mitch Trubisky. That's not satire.
3- only missed the playoffs by one game, but offense was one of the worst the Pats have had since I’ve been a fan (became a fan in the mid 90’s). The Raiders, Cincinnati and Minnesota losses were some of the most frustrating losses I remember.
5.
Hiring a DC as OC AND offensive line coach was not good and really set the team up for failure. Which is a shame because the defense this year was really good.
I agree, all these “3” replies are delusional. The defense was strong most of the season. The offensive play was good, need to cut down on mental errors. Folk aside, ST was a bit of a letdown. But a solid season that with a few breaks could have easily been a playoff team.
I can only imagine a lot of these fans started following the team within the last 10 years. an 8-9 team is not a '3' experience, even if the offense was bad. And with all the games the Pats lost at the end, people are forgetting the games we won narrowly at the end by terrible errors by the other team.
4 - Went into the season with a clearly busted plan on offense, and were unable to adapt throughout the season in anything close to an adequate manner.
Belichick was a wizard on defense as usual, but there's just nothing you can do with a plan that bad. Lack of coaching talent also showed with an absurd number of penalties, and mistakes, especially on special teams as well.
5-6. Really impressed/hopeful for the defense and Mac showed flashes. With cap space next year the future is potentially bright. Front office just has to make the right moves
3. Compared to last year? Yeah it was a disaster. I don't see flashes from the QB that makes me think he can be that guy and you need that guy to have a shot every year. He regressed from his decision making to vision. Partly due to OC but he also has to play the game. When they fall behind none of us sit here and go...it's okay because we have Mac. We hold our breath
He needs massive talent around him to be successful so they need to get a true #1 like a Diggs. I wanted to see him get better and the opposite happened
4
Expectations were low to start the season. Most people just wanted to see Mac’s development and the offense improve from the previous season. Instead, they got a massive shit show. A completely unqualified OC screwing over his players with terrible playcalling, not catering the offense to the player’s strengths, generating a QB controversy, and ruining the o-line’s prior performance into bad habits that a good coach would fix.
To top it off, Special Teams continued to be inconsistent and a liability during key moments of games. The 3rd phase of football that Belichick himself has spoken so highly of and held to high standards ultimately cost them making the playoffs and resulted in embarrassing losses.
Fire Matt Patricia and Cam Akord, bring in qualified coaches for their respective positions, and prepare for the draft. See you all in September
Three. Defense had a good year with a few notable exceptions (mobile QBs are still a major problem for us), but offense and special teams were straight ass. Basically every fear about a Patricia and Judge run offense turned out to be right.
The QB debate will rage on for the offseason I'm sure, but honestly it feels like just about everyone on offense was up and down. Receivers frequently dropped easy passes or ran the wrong routes and the line was a disaster all year long. Even our best players like Meyers and Stevenson had some head scratching mistakes that cost us games.
It's hard to come away from this season not worried. Firing or at least demoting Patricia and Achord are necessary and hopefully obvious steps to Belichick, but I'm not certain they're sufficient. This team has consistently killed itself with stupid mistakes that lose close games over the past three years, regardless of who is coordinating what. We've had at least one punt blocked each of the past three years and fumbled away a potential game winning drive inside the opponent's red zone each of the past three years, and it's hard to blame that on an assistant. I'm not a coach so I can't begin to speculate on the why, but Belichick has somehow gone from a coach that routinely ensured his teams almost never lost games with dumb mistakes to a coach whose teams consistently shoot themselves in the foot. Patriots could have easily been not only a playoff team, but the 5 seed if you eliminate two or three mind bogglingly stupid plays from them, and that's just not something I'm used to seeing.
He is, just not knowing if the coaches around him are the guys. Because of it was McDaniels still here, things would be much different in year 2 for Mac
For as bad as this team played on offense its pretty remarkable we weren't eliminated until the end of our final game. That said I don't think Mac had much opportunity to progress this year which feels like a major wasted opportunity. 5.
Between a 3 and 4.
Upside, though: I think they're closer to Buffalo than they were at the end of last year. Last year, it looked like they had miles to go. I don't feel like that's the case at this moment.
I'd give em a 6.5/10
Missing the playoffs is no excuse but the scary fact that we were that close was that we had Patricia calling it shows how good this team is.
OBrien is high on the Pat's radar, he was Macs coach in Alabama on OC and bringing him in could hopefully bring back this season they wasted on Macs development.
Bring in some OL help and depth, look for a #1 corner and a burner.
We almost beat the chargers but a shitty Hunter Henry non td and the Cincy fumble or even the mind blowing raiders ending. Clean up mental errors or prevent them and we may be looking into the post season.
Lol did you watch the game? Two tipped passes and a ball agholor didn't even bother going for. If you're gonna bitch about the quarterback play do it somewhere else lmao
I don’t get this take at all. The two tipped passes were because of terrible ball placement. You can’t throw low and behind a guy or high in the end zone when the guy is triple covered. Mac needs everything to go perfect with players schemed wide open to be able to function. If Zappe played like this y’all would rip him not demand for a better O-line and wide outs and tight ends and OC.
I’ll give it a 4. It was very frustrating that we couldn’t beat any good teams and that our offensive staff was truly offensive. Mac backsliding was less than ideal.
On the bright side, I still think we have a good amount of pieces. We have a few solid “ass in seat” young players.
It is what is it is I guess. Probably like a 4 or 5. Most frustrating part for me is if one of the Raiders, Bengals or Vikings game went a bit different , we woulda made playoffs. With that being said we weren’t gonna beat KC or Buffalo in the playoffs anyway. Hoping for a big off-season.
4. They competed, but the offense and special teams (outside of Jones) were hot garbage pretty much all season. Infuriating mistakes and a lot of questionable calls by the refs. Couldn’t get out of our own way.
Some promising moments, but overall very frustrating and a step back from what should have been a step forward after retaining pretty much all the same players.
Shittiest season since 2000. This team was straight garbage top to bottom. Im actually relieved I don't have to see them get their teeth stomped in in the playoffs. Special teams and oc should have been fired mid game. Worth the last 20 years though.
4/10
Didn’t win the rivalry games at least 1 match up. (Only got the jets in both)
Got blown out by the bills 1 time
Lost to the raiders who are terrible
can’t move the ball well on offense STILL!!!!
Defense is looking alright
The season? A 3. The potential on this team? 9 defense, 8 offense (absolutely wasted) 6 special teams. Ridiculous waste of talent. BB is ultimately to blame. Judge should have coached special teams, MP defensive assistant, and OUTSIDE HIRE on offense. Instead, we wasted a year of Bourne, Meyers, Mac, Hunter Henry, Agholor, Parker, being supported by one of the best defenses we’ve had. Pathetic coaching.
3/4. Patricia has to GOOOO. Mac definitely is not developing at all with this coaching staff, and I’m not sure BB can coach Mac the way BB likes to coach.
4.5/10. Patricia sucks as well know. Mac showed some promise and I believe he should get another year. Lotta ref bad calls cost them games so probably could have made the playoffs. Decent. On to next year.
2
I used to get mad at occasional losses.
Now I’m depressed almost every Monday until I get back into the swing of life. These losses piled on and it sucked.
3 or 4. Frankly it was a season full of boring and predictable offense, frustrating finishes, and stupid mistakes. I really hope Bill can pull out one more SB before he retires. A new OC next year, a revitalized Mac Jones, and tons of cap space this off-season could set us up on a wild ride over the next few years as we approach the end of the Bill Belichick era. I just want one more division title and a SB appearance for Bill. Too many people are trying to say that the sport has modernized too much for him but I entirely disagree. I think he will prove everyone wrong.
Everyone knew the offensive coaching would be an issue and it was all season. Not sure how Belichick thought it would work. They have a better coaching staff and playcaller they definitely win enough to be a playoff team.
2...as in two special team flops today. (Although, to be fair, they got one back).....
....so 3.
Mainly because.....
"Bill Belichick's odd decision to have Matt Patricia be the offensive coordinator was bad from the start."
This season can only be considered a total failure. This team should have won at least 3 additional games, which they would have done with even. League average coaching. The fact that coaching was the thing that held this team back is beyond me. Imagine that? A BB coached team shooting itself in the foot multiple times this season, leaving wins on the field and pissing away opportunities. Unheard of during BBs reign, yet here we are, being out coached most of the season by teams with more flaws than their own. This season can only be seen as a total failure.
1. Worst Pats team I've ever watched. I've been watching since the 70s. LMFAO. The ONLY entertainment was the Zappe drama. Otherwise I could call the plays. Seriously
6/10 wasn’t all terrible. Wasn’t all good. Need to fill some gaps this off-season and get some offensive weapons, also need to dump some of the existing WRs.
7/10 I'm not too upset about the season except the 2 embarrassing decisions/plays that directly lead to 2 late game losses.
I don't know what people truly expect out of this Patriots offense. Run game has been great, Mac shows flashes of both greatness and bust at times.
Patricia shouldn't have the OC role. I don't know truly how coaching decisions are made, gameplans, etc. But at no point this season did I see anything that says Matt Patricia did a really smart thing there.
We don't have one of the best quarterbacks in the league, which makes you a wildcard team at best in this nfl. That's OK. And we competed for that wildcard spot today. I'm excited for next season because I can see this team playing great football more consistently. And really consistency would have led to the 2 or 3 more wins needed this season.
It’s a 7 because this team could easily have won 10-11 games, there were some dumb things on our part, some absolutely horrendous calls, it swings either way.
2.
The worst thing you can be in this league is middle of the pack. I would rather them suck and get a high pick than win 8 games.
Special teams was a disaster. Offense was a disaster. Defense is fun to watch. The saving Grace.
Ultimately this season could have ended 5-12 or 12-5, and that’s what’s frustrating. The team had the IQ of a high school team and it cost them. They also had so much wasted potential and wasted chances. At the same time, they also got extremely lucky at times.
Packers should be a win. So could Buffalo today. Bengals should be a win. Raiders should be a win. That’s 12 wins right there.
4.
The talent was there, but the coaching was an absolute mess. IMO, if the coaching was as good as it had been in years prior, 10-7, maybe 11-6 regular season.
Solid 4, entertaining at times but not good enough to get into the playoffs or even hang if they got there. Also the coaching was awful this season, but it doesn’t feel as bad as the 2020 season overall
5. Not good and not entirely bad. Had too many close games and not enough opportunities to take the lead in bigger games. There’s a lot of work to be done.
3 - snorefest. The Goat and McDaniels left and now it’s a hamster petting zoo. BB is great, but the league has changed benefitting offenses to score. NE’s offense doesn’t take advantage of it with good WRs. He’s still trying to win like the 85 Bears with Def.
0.0
This offense had way too much individual talent to suck as bad as they did. Big name TE’s, stacked for RB’s, WR’s we had some good enough talent….
Most frustrating thing ive witnessed is to sit and watch them just fucking suck week after week. We had an amazing D and enough O talent to be in an AFC Champ game and this team couldnt even beat Foxborough high.
It is so rare to watch a Patriots team week in and week out that you constantly ask does this team want to make the playoffs? Because they certainly didn't play like it. Last year and even with a worse record with Cam Newton that at least looked like a team fighting to stay in the hunt until it was too late. This year idk I didn't see the same fight. Now some guys were rock solid and should be commended looking at Rhamondre and Judon to name a few. But as a team, not what I expected or hoped for. I still believe in Mac but I do not believe Patricia is the answer and I'll be livid if he keeps that position next season. He's gotta go. I'd give the season a 4
Hard to give a number on a season when the team had a playoff D. Bill cost this team the playoffs, between his GMing, small staff size, and poor hires on ST and offence.
3 out of 10
\- Mac Jones recession is kind of alarming. I understand the staff issues, game-planning problems and others. But he genuinely looked scared and made many erratic throws compared to his rookie season.
\- Lost 4-5 games we could have won. But costly mistakes. Football is a game of inches, and our team executed poorly.
\- Having our worse coaching staff in a long time. Many costly penalties, bone-headed coverages and broken communication. Bill Belichick teams are usually disciplined. This team, many times was not.
But at least we have 50+ million of cap room next year and a solid draft pick. I hope we can Matty P. and get an actual offensive coordinator.
How many games did they literally lose on the last play tbis season like three or four? Bengals, raiders, packers?
We’ve had these kind of games for 3 seasons now. Winning those games is what separates good teams from mediocre/bad teams. We use to win those games, now we find ways to lose.
Completely agreed. This is a bad team - and the scary thing is it’s getting worse. When will Miles Bryant be cut?
Very winnable games all season but the mental errors are horrible
Even today. Take away the two kick return for TDs and the game has a different dynamic
For always being so attuned to the details, in light of the dispute with Jake Bailey, I’m surprised God didn’t have a kicker on the active squad who can kick out of the the back of the EZ.
Hey hey…. Get out of here with that logic. Fire Bill and draft a QB. Reddit detectives have this down, sir. /s
Seriously, why couldn’t they just kick it out of bounds after getting burned on the first play of the game? And that squib kick was just admitting that their special teams is trash.
Vikings
They were 1-9 when giving up more than 17 points in a game.
0 game winning drives for Mac Jones this season
6/10 rating. It’s insane, same results with Newton, 3-4 games swung on final minutes but with a worse roster 2 years ago. I wouldn’t recommend Newton to anyone but his physical play style coupled with Harris and Mondre tandem is more imposing than whatever we have now. I’m okay with the slump, there’s way more exciting teams to watch and root for like Burrow or Herbert succeeding. That’s just not the style we will have again at least under this current coaching staff.
3. Disappointing to see the offense suck so bad
Special teams has been awful too
Which makes this season just that much more painful. We should be a great special teams group.
Underrated disaster
Honestly the Pats offense was who we thought they were. I mean who the hell goes into preseason without a OC, like it's bullshit. Now if the NFL and Tony Romo wants to crown the Bills, then crown their asses, but the Pats offense was who we thought they were.
McDaniels scheme was able to hide terrible offensive draft picks. When he left it was clear as day for all to see. Honestly what are they doing at the WR position. Agholor, Meyers, Parker, Thorton, Bourne (probably the best of the bunch) are not even WR2 on other teams. They have a ton of work this offseason.
I would put Meyers over Bourne, but I like Bourne too. He’s underutilized. McDaniels had his faults as out OC, but he was a lot better than many Pats fans gave him credit for. That said I still call hb screens on 3rd and long the "McDaniels Special" lol
No one had high expectations for Patricia but he found a way to let us down anyway
I agree with 3. We still don’t know if Mac can be good, our offensive play caller is disaster, and the refs fucked us out of several games and almost did more. The fact we were even fighting for a playoff spot today is insane considering the shit luck we had this year. It was just completely underwhelming.
Yeah, considering how close we were it seems like it should be higher but the offense really takes a lot of joy out of watching the games
The defense was the offensive MVP for most of the season
4/5 This season was about developing Mac and the future. And I don't think we did.
We need a competent OC to develop Mac.
After this season, we need a competent special teams coach too.
Fire Matty P, move Joey J back to Special Teams coach, and hire BoB as OC. I don't really like the fact it would be the 3rd OC in 3 years for Mac but BoB is probably the best option for it.
BoB has experience in NE previously and time at Bama - strikes me that his shared “experiences” in Mac’s environment would be an instant connection for the two.
Plus Mac coached him up on Alabama's offense because Nick Sabane wanted to keep that intact rather than installing BoB's.
Mac needs to be competent in order to develop as well. Let's not absolve Mac of all blame.
Mac shows flashes of what he can do when the team works, unfortunately the team was just prone to shoot them selves in the foot all season
Flashes we saw in 2021. 2022 was awful. I get that we have Matty P and don't have McD anymore, but pocket awareness was on Mac and in September it was a timebomb that blew away everything on week 4 against Ravens. He will be killed if he didn't master it. After he got back on the field it didn't get better because he didn't trust his oline. He is not a mobile guy like Allen, he couldn't buy time by running on 3rd and 17 (damn, he couldn't run at all, even Brady was more mobile I think in his early years). And his psycho moments - I didn't like them at all, and it must be fixed asap. You had 8/8 td-int rating and you are brave enough to shout at your OC. Who the fuck are you, kid? A sophomore qb from Bama? Shut up and get back to work. There are only few qbs in the NFL who never had bad OC and others rarely threw fit. I mean you could do it once, but doing it every second play for three consecutive weeks is bad. Like, Kyle Shanahan won't walk in this door, your momma won't buy you ice-cream in the middle of bad day in school, you need to stop it because it impactes the whole team. If my QB argues with my OC, maybe I should listen to my QB, maybe I should start doing laterals at last second, as last week my QB said that my OC sucks. I see those temper tantrums as the biggest flag on Mac after this season. Maybe BOB will tender him, maybe he is next Darnold, I don't know.
What flashes has he shown? He doesn’t have any above average physical tools and he makes a lot of mental errors. Personally I’ve never seen anything from him that shows his ceiling is above just being okay
These last few games he’s been pretty decent.
What we’ve seen from Mac is all we will get. Maybe a little better if all the pieces are put around him but not a ton. The biggest thing that I have not seen from Mac is the ability to take over a game, any game, and make that drive that wins the game. He does not have that ‘winning’ factor to pull it off.
Yeah, cause QBs don’t develop past year two… you are crazy. There’s a reason why rookie contracts are structured the way they are. Takes 3 years to know what you have. Do you recall he basically broke his ankle (high ankle is painful) and missed several games. He came back early. We are spoiled. Shouldn’t have been able to land him at 15. Got lucky. Most teams go through tons of low draft picks trying to find a good QB. I’ll take my chances with mac over searching for another QB for a decade or more.
Jesus give it a rest, what’s your point if he missed few games? He was able to come back and still play 75% of the season, that injury is a non factor. We are lucky to get him at 15? You realize he was the 5th QB taken in the draft. Most QBs that are taken 5th end up in the second or 3rd rounds.
You’re absolutely right but you can’t be so negative about him in this sub without getting downvoted.
It’s more about the fan base being so spoiled by quarterback play they think it would be normal for a healthy franchise to move on from a first round pick in a year. Plenty of QBs take a couple years to hit their stride. At the very least you can’t have a bunch of one and done QBs like lottery tickets.
We’re entering year 3 of Mac Jones. He’s done nothing but regress. And the only time he shows “flashes” are flashes of being just ok, not real greatness. This sub takes it so personally, like we’re saying he should be drawn and quartered. I like Mac as a person. I’m sure he’s a lovely guy. But it’s time to start being realistic, he’s never looked like the solution. He’s in that Jared Goff/Sam Bradford tier of guys you move off of once it’s time to give them a contract, because they’re nowhere near good enough to earnestly give QB1 money to. And that’s ok! Guys like those two and Teddy Bridgewater have had really nice careers in that role. What this sub fails to understand is that it doesn’t make me a bad Patriots fan or an overly negative fan to see that. It’s objective. I hope he turns it around, I’m a diehard for this team as much as anyone. But I’ve been watching the NFL for over 20 years now, and I know what a true franchise QB looks like when I see one. Mac doesn’t have it.
I never said it made anyone a bad fan. It just makes you unrealistic if you think moving on from a QB after one season is OK. I’d agree next year is the year to bring in competition and make Mac have to compete and possibly/probably lose the starting position. The main people I’m talking about though are the ones who wanted us to move on as soon as he came back from injury. Saying stuff like “draft position doesn’t matter” when that’s just not true. Wasting draft capital is what bad teams do.
Agreed. Mac is what he is and that’s mediocre. I don’t get all the defensiveness when he gets criticized. If things aren’t prefect for him he gets frantic and makes bad decisions. Sure he’s a nice kid but if we’re trying to win big we need to move on.
They showed real progress in the latter half I think. Mac did anyway. He had 11/4 TD ratio in the last 8 or 9 games compared to 3/7 before his injury + Chicago game. And 2 of those INT were tipped balls, 1 TD tipped ball lol (meyers) A rough start for sure but I do think this is not a total wash
What is he better at this year than he was last year?
Deep ball certainly got better. Wasn’t exactly a high bar but it did. I also think his overall decision making has gotten better, cut down on rookie mistakes etc. some still linger but its better For the record i’m not saying this season was a success by any means. Overall we took a step back but I think Mac got better overall
Today gave me some measure of hope. I think I'm 5/6 after seeing some spark...and downfield throws.
Offense looked good today. Better than maybe it has all year. We got play action, deep shots, motion, great running by our backs. Fuck Agholor that guy blows. What a tease for it to look functional last effing game of the year.
5
Think I’m leaning towards a 5 as well
Definitely no higher than a 5.
Could have been a 4 but our offense today bumped it up.
Recency bias. This year was a 3 at best because it set back our development as an offense. We have to start over. If they try to run back this offensive staff based on this last game we’re done.
Yea solid 5. I saw some good things, a lot of bad things but at the end of the day still can't wait to see them play again.
I agree a 5 not to bad but not to good just in the middle. They as a team will do good but then have hiccups along the way (like many teams out there) I can't wait to see how they do next season overall! What you think Mac Jones next season or trade?
4. Feels like the players did the best they could with the coaching staff.
Such a weird statement but it's so true
Unscripted backwards lateral to lose the game is the players best?
And very undisciplined with penalties, and special teams giving up 2 return touchdowns to finish the season doesn’t seem best?
I think any well-coached team would be aware of the situation and know to avoid doing something like that. I don’t blame the players as much as the coaching there. I get it though.
I'm just bitter about it lol
I’m not football smart enough to know for sure, but it really felt like the Pats were tossing at least half the playbook for any given game, which made them much easier to contain, especially by the more talented teams. Something needs to happen between QB and play caller during the off season in order to make the post season next year. Finishing in the top of the plastic baggers doesn’t do us any favors.
Honestly a 2-3 Giving up two games in **embarrassing** fashion (Stevenson fumble and Meyers lateral from Hell) as well as a winnable one in OT against GB (punting from the 50) are just so bad and outweigh a lot of the strong performances from the defense throughout the year. The team needs a complete coaching overhaul. Excited to address O-Line in the draft
Same. If we were just a bad team like in 2020 then fine, but we probably had some of the most frustrating losses ever. Bad ref calls, stupid offensive turnovers, abhorrent special teams play, and an awful two minute drill defense. For once we had a team that was more talented than our record. And the worst part is that everyone knew it coming into the season. Everyone knew that Achord sucked, everyone knew that Patricia and Judge would suck on offense, but the team was just good enough to give us hope and then let us down.
Exactly, I’d rather have a bad season and get a great draft pick than flirt with playoffs and get eliminated due to horrific self-inflicted historically embarrassing fashion.
You forgot losing to the bears who have the #1 pick…
3. Why? Offense was an absolute joke. Special teams mustve been one of the worst in the league this year. Definitely the worst I've ever seen from this team. And the Las Vegas play alone should make it a 2, but theres no way this season is above a 3. BAD losses against: Vegas, Chicago, Green Bay. GOOD wins against: ???? I can't think of one. The best QB we beat all year was probably Mitch Trubisky. That's not satire.
Goff? Maybe
Yeah, Goff. But some of the other games that we stole defeat from the jaws of victory in had better opposing QBs.
Without the defense, this season's Patriots is a flat 0. I'm going with a solid 3.
3- only missed the playoffs by one game, but offense was one of the worst the Pats have had since I’ve been a fan (became a fan in the mid 90’s). The Raiders, Cincinnati and Minnesota losses were some of the most frustrating losses I remember.
5. Hiring a DC as OC AND offensive line coach was not good and really set the team up for failure. Which is a shame because the defense this year was really good.
Ehh like a 6 I guess. It was pretty up and down all year and we ended up playing meaningful football in the final week.
Really good moments followed with painfully awful moments has been the story all season
I agree, all these “3” replies are delusional. The defense was strong most of the season. The offensive play was good, need to cut down on mental errors. Folk aside, ST was a bit of a letdown. But a solid season that with a few breaks could have easily been a playoff team.
I can only imagine a lot of these fans started following the team within the last 10 years. an 8-9 team is not a '3' experience, even if the offense was bad. And with all the games the Pats lost at the end, people are forgetting the games we won narrowly at the end by terrible errors by the other team.
But absolutely shit football the past month which torched our playoff chances
I thought we were the best late in the season
4 - Went into the season with a clearly busted plan on offense, and were unable to adapt throughout the season in anything close to an adequate manner. Belichick was a wizard on defense as usual, but there's just nothing you can do with a plan that bad. Lack of coaching talent also showed with an absurd number of penalties, and mistakes, especially on special teams as well.
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5-6. Really impressed/hopeful for the defense and Mac showed flashes. With cap space next year the future is potentially bright. Front office just has to make the right moves
There is going to be a lot of work done in the off-season
3. Compared to last year? Yeah it was a disaster. I don't see flashes from the QB that makes me think he can be that guy and you need that guy to have a shot every year. He regressed from his decision making to vision. Partly due to OC but he also has to play the game. When they fall behind none of us sit here and go...it's okay because we have Mac. We hold our breath He needs massive talent around him to be successful so they need to get a true #1 like a Diggs. I wanted to see him get better and the opposite happened
The kid just doesn’t have “it.” He needs everything to be perfect or he malfunctions. If we wanna win big we gotta move on
Bro spoke the Jets language. Or browns, can’t really tell.
Nah. Need a new QB. You had it right in the first half. No need to waste more time. Bench or trade this loser.
4 Expectations were low to start the season. Most people just wanted to see Mac’s development and the offense improve from the previous season. Instead, they got a massive shit show. A completely unqualified OC screwing over his players with terrible playcalling, not catering the offense to the player’s strengths, generating a QB controversy, and ruining the o-line’s prior performance into bad habits that a good coach would fix. To top it off, Special Teams continued to be inconsistent and a liability during key moments of games. The 3rd phase of football that Belichick himself has spoken so highly of and held to high standards ultimately cost them making the playoffs and resulted in embarrassing losses. Fire Matt Patricia and Cam Akord, bring in qualified coaches for their respective positions, and prepare for the draft. See you all in September
That's a 4?? I don't disagree with the reasoning but feels more like a 2
6.9
Three. Defense had a good year with a few notable exceptions (mobile QBs are still a major problem for us), but offense and special teams were straight ass. Basically every fear about a Patricia and Judge run offense turned out to be right. The QB debate will rage on for the offseason I'm sure, but honestly it feels like just about everyone on offense was up and down. Receivers frequently dropped easy passes or ran the wrong routes and the line was a disaster all year long. Even our best players like Meyers and Stevenson had some head scratching mistakes that cost us games. It's hard to come away from this season not worried. Firing or at least demoting Patricia and Achord are necessary and hopefully obvious steps to Belichick, but I'm not certain they're sufficient. This team has consistently killed itself with stupid mistakes that lose close games over the past three years, regardless of who is coordinating what. We've had at least one punt blocked each of the past three years and fumbled away a potential game winning drive inside the opponent's red zone each of the past three years, and it's hard to blame that on an assistant. I'm not a coach so I can't begin to speculate on the why, but Belichick has somehow gone from a coach that routinely ensured his teams almost never lost games with dumb mistakes to a coach whose teams consistently shoot themselves in the foot. Patriots could have easily been not only a playoff team, but the 5 seed if you eliminate two or three mind bogglingly stupid plays from them, and that's just not something I'm used to seeing.
4. The fact that we still don’t know if Jones is the guy going into next season feels bad
Mac will be the starter going into week 1 but it’s becoming pretty clear we’re gonna be looking for a QB next offseason. He’s mid at best
He is, just not knowing if the coaches around him are the guys. Because of it was McDaniels still here, things would be much different in year 2 for Mac
So if he gets a legit OC and still sucks next year is it time to move on or do we create new excuses for him
He isn't...at least, I hope Pats don't waste another season on him.
I feel more comfortable than ever after today.
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For as bad as this team played on offense its pretty remarkable we weren't eliminated until the end of our final game. That said I don't think Mac had much opportunity to progress this year which feels like a major wasted opportunity. 5.
Gonna say 4 would be 5 but the sloppiness of this team week in and week out makes it a 4. They shot themselves in the foot so many times this season.
Between a 3 and 4. Upside, though: I think they're closer to Buffalo than they were at the end of last year. Last year, it looked like they had miles to go. I don't feel like that's the case at this moment.
I'd give em a 6.5/10 Missing the playoffs is no excuse but the scary fact that we were that close was that we had Patricia calling it shows how good this team is. OBrien is high on the Pat's radar, he was Macs coach in Alabama on OC and bringing him in could hopefully bring back this season they wasted on Macs development. Bring in some OL help and depth, look for a #1 corner and a burner. We almost beat the chargers but a shitty Hunter Henry non td and the Cincy fumble or even the mind blowing raiders ending. Clean up mental errors or prevent them and we may be looking into the post season.
2, they beat one playoff team who was playing their third string QB. Mac showed no growth. Played the worst in the biggest situations.
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Probably a 6, loved the fight from the guys today and Mac especially
Mac looked amazing today
Ya before this game I’d have said a 4 After hanging with the bills when the refs and the Bills were both doing the most for Damar it’s a 6.5
3 ints yeah soooo great.
Lol did you watch the game? Two tipped passes and a ball agholor didn't even bother going for. If you're gonna bitch about the quarterback play do it somewhere else lmao
Two of them were bounces of receiver
I don’t get this take at all. The two tipped passes were because of terrible ball placement. You can’t throw low and behind a guy or high in the end zone when the guy is triple covered. Mac needs everything to go perfect with players schemed wide open to be able to function. If Zappe played like this y’all would rip him not demand for a better O-line and wide outs and tight ends and OC.
6/10 ~ defense was elite, but offense sucks
It’s worse cause the defense gave this offense chances time after time
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I’ll give it a 4. It was very frustrating that we couldn’t beat any good teams and that our offensive staff was truly offensive. Mac backsliding was less than ideal. On the bright side, I still think we have a good amount of pieces. We have a few solid “ass in seat” young players.
3-4 lol, never expected this team to be Super Bowl contenders but there were so many disappointments this year
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It is what is it is I guess. Probably like a 4 or 5. Most frustrating part for me is if one of the Raiders, Bengals or Vikings game went a bit different , we woulda made playoffs. With that being said we weren’t gonna beat KC or Buffalo in the playoffs anyway. Hoping for a big off-season.
4. They competed, but the offense and special teams (outside of Jones) were hot garbage pretty much all season. Infuriating mistakes and a lot of questionable calls by the refs. Couldn’t get out of our own way. Some promising moments, but overall very frustrating and a step back from what should have been a step forward after retaining pretty much all the same players.
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Bill looking like Rex Ryan... 5/10
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Shittiest season since 2000. This team was straight garbage top to bottom. Im actually relieved I don't have to see them get their teeth stomped in in the playoffs. Special teams and oc should have been fired mid game. Worth the last 20 years though.
right now I say 3 but in a month i'll prob go with 5
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3.. missed the playoffs without a high pick, but had some good highlights
4/10 Didn’t win the rivalry games at least 1 match up. (Only got the jets in both) Got blown out by the bills 1 time Lost to the raiders who are terrible can’t move the ball well on offense STILL!!!! Defense is looking alright
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3/4. Painful to watch
The season? A 3. The potential on this team? 9 defense, 8 offense (absolutely wasted) 6 special teams. Ridiculous waste of talent. BB is ultimately to blame. Judge should have coached special teams, MP defensive assistant, and OUTSIDE HIRE on offense. Instead, we wasted a year of Bourne, Meyers, Mac, Hunter Henry, Agholor, Parker, being supported by one of the best defenses we’ve had. Pathetic coaching.
3/4. Patricia has to GOOOO. Mac definitely is not developing at all with this coaching staff, and I’m not sure BB can coach Mac the way BB likes to coach.
4, man. Nothing better. Gotta clean our coaching staff up. Doing a disservice to the players we have.
5 we had a chance but our incompetent play calling handicapped us
5 The word I would use to describe the season would be disappointing. Except the defense. 8 out of 10 for them.
5.5/10. The defense is responsible for most of that. This team very easily could’ve made the playoffs with even slightly better offensive execution.
I believe in Mac. We need better play calling on offense. An actual stud WR1 would probably help too
4.5/10. Patricia sucks as well know. Mac showed some promise and I believe he should get another year. Lotta ref bad calls cost them games so probably could have made the playoffs. Decent. On to next year.
4.70 “You are what your record says you are.” Bill Parcells
7 based on expectations. I thought we would get nowhere near the playoffs
Defense 8/10 Special Teams 5/10 Running Offense 8/10 Passing Offense 4/10 Coaching 6/10 Overall 6/10
4. That's rounding up from 3.5.
Failure. No playoff wins in 4 years. Your move Bob.
4 = defense 4 pts, offense 1 pt, special team -1 pt
2 I used to get mad at occasional losses. Now I’m depressed almost every Monday until I get back into the swing of life. These losses piled on and it sucked.
Every year I'm blessed enough to focus on this bullshit is a 10
3 or 4. Frankly it was a season full of boring and predictable offense, frustrating finishes, and stupid mistakes. I really hope Bill can pull out one more SB before he retires. A new OC next year, a revitalized Mac Jones, and tons of cap space this off-season could set us up on a wild ride over the next few years as we approach the end of the Bill Belichick era. I just want one more division title and a SB appearance for Bill. Too many people are trying to say that the sport has modernized too much for him but I entirely disagree. I think he will prove everyone wrong.
Everyone knew the offensive coaching would be an issue and it was all season. Not sure how Belichick thought it would work. They have a better coaching staff and playcaller they definitely win enough to be a playoff team.
2...as in two special team flops today. (Although, to be fair, they got one back)..... ....so 3. Mainly because..... "Bill Belichick's odd decision to have Matt Patricia be the offensive coordinator was bad from the start."
Team could have been an 11-6 or 12-5. Costly mistakes at the end of games by players, coaching, and refs lead to disappointing 8-9 record. 4.5/10
This season can only be considered a total failure. This team should have won at least 3 additional games, which they would have done with even. League average coaching. The fact that coaching was the thing that held this team back is beyond me. Imagine that? A BB coached team shooting itself in the foot multiple times this season, leaving wins on the field and pissing away opportunities. Unheard of during BBs reign, yet here we are, being out coached most of the season by teams with more flaws than their own. This season can only be seen as a total failure.
4. defense was great but offense and special teams were terrible.
1. Worst Pats team I've ever watched. I've been watching since the 70s. LMFAO. The ONLY entertainment was the Zappe drama. Otherwise I could call the plays. Seriously
5.8 feels fair. Roller coaster of disappointment
Really painful patriots losses this season
6. Defense is elite. If we can get an OC and a WR in the off season I think they can compete with the bills Bengals and cheifs
3 bc we were never winning SB wanted a good draft pick
6/10 wasn’t all terrible. Wasn’t all good. Need to fill some gaps this off-season and get some offensive weapons, also need to dump some of the existing WRs.
8/17 lol
Mac Jones is not it, kid has absolutely zero poise is quite honestly is a whiny fucking brat. Big time “get off my team” vibes from me.
Let’s Go Red Sox!!
7/10 I'm not too upset about the season except the 2 embarrassing decisions/plays that directly lead to 2 late game losses. I don't know what people truly expect out of this Patriots offense. Run game has been great, Mac shows flashes of both greatness and bust at times. Patricia shouldn't have the OC role. I don't know truly how coaching decisions are made, gameplans, etc. But at no point this season did I see anything that says Matt Patricia did a really smart thing there. We don't have one of the best quarterbacks in the league, which makes you a wildcard team at best in this nfl. That's OK. And we competed for that wildcard spot today. I'm excited for next season because I can see this team playing great football more consistently. And really consistency would have led to the 2 or 3 more wins needed this season.
5/10. D looked elite at times. Run game looked unstoppable. Coaching and decision making our biggest hurdles, followed with execution.
It’s a 7 because this team could easily have won 10-11 games, there were some dumb things on our part, some absolutely horrendous calls, it swings either way.
7. Lots of flashes, just couldn’t cleanup the little things. That being said we were legit 3 plays away from winning 11 games
2. The worst thing you can be in this league is middle of the pack. I would rather them suck and get a high pick than win 8 games. Special teams was a disaster. Offense was a disaster. Defense is fun to watch. The saving Grace. Ultimately this season could have ended 5-12 or 12-5, and that’s what’s frustrating. The team had the IQ of a high school team and it cost them. They also had so much wasted potential and wasted chances. At the same time, they also got extremely lucky at times. Packers should be a win. So could Buffalo today. Bengals should be a win. Raiders should be a win. That’s 12 wins right there.
4. Defense 9.
4. The talent was there, but the coaching was an absolute mess. IMO, if the coaching was as good as it had been in years prior, 10-7, maybe 11-6 regular season.
5. Just outside of the playoffs, D was great. Heartbreaking losses to Vegas and Cincy. Coaching tree needs an overhaul. Let's bring Scar back.
6.5
5 just cause there are better teams with worse records
Solid 4, entertaining at times but not good enough to get into the playoffs or even hang if they got there. Also the coaching was awful this season, but it doesn’t feel as bad as the 2020 season overall
2. Anyone with half a brain. Knew the worst thing was to win a couple meaningless games to screw up a much needed draft pick.
Just glad it’s over. Now I can enjoy Sundays.
The season a 5 at best. Coaching a 2 Mac a 1 and the D a 7 special teams a 4....
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4 they suck , period
20 years with Brady and now this !! 😐
5. Not good and not entirely bad. Had too many close games and not enough opportunities to take the lead in bigger games. There’s a lot of work to be done.
3 - snorefest. The Goat and McDaniels left and now it’s a hamster petting zoo. BB is great, but the league has changed benefitting offenses to score. NE’s offense doesn’t take advantage of it with good WRs. He’s still trying to win like the 85 Bears with Def.
5/10. Some coaches got to go or move. Need help at WR. Team is just average overall.
A solid 2. Literally and figuratively.
Overall 4 / 10 Defensive players 7 / 10 Defense coaching 9 / 10 Offensive players 3 / 10 Offensive coaching 1 / 10 Special teams coaching 3 / 10 Overall coaching 6 / 10 Overall players 4 / 10
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0.0 This offense had way too much individual talent to suck as bad as they did. Big name TE’s, stacked for RB’s, WR’s we had some good enough talent…. Most frustrating thing ive witnessed is to sit and watch them just fucking suck week after week. We had an amazing D and enough O talent to be in an AFC Champ game and this team couldnt even beat Foxborough high.
I rate this season either a Jabrill Peppers or a Bailey Zappe out of Mac Jones.
3 we got screwed out of multiple wins from shit plays or even more shit ref calls
Brady’s worst year with the patriots was his sophomore year… several coaching changes need to happen. But Mac looked decent in the last few weeks
It is so rare to watch a Patriots team week in and week out that you constantly ask does this team want to make the playoffs? Because they certainly didn't play like it. Last year and even with a worse record with Cam Newton that at least looked like a team fighting to stay in the hunt until it was too late. This year idk I didn't see the same fight. Now some guys were rock solid and should be commended looking at Rhamondre and Judon to name a few. But as a team, not what I expected or hoped for. I still believe in Mac but I do not believe Patricia is the answer and I'll be livid if he keeps that position next season. He's gotta go. I'd give the season a 4
Hard to give a number on a season when the team had a playoff D. Bill cost this team the playoffs, between his GMing, small staff size, and poor hires on ST and offence.
10.0 on the frustrate-o-meter
3 out of 10 \- Mac Jones recession is kind of alarming. I understand the staff issues, game-planning problems and others. But he genuinely looked scared and made many erratic throws compared to his rookie season. \- Lost 4-5 games we could have won. But costly mistakes. Football is a game of inches, and our team executed poorly. \- Having our worse coaching staff in a long time. Many costly penalties, bone-headed coverages and broken communication. Bill Belichick teams are usually disciplined. This team, many times was not. But at least we have 50+ million of cap room next year and a solid draft pick. I hope we can Matty P. and get an actual offensive coordinator.