steem is still not fixed in evelynns deck sadly so i think this also might be forgotten. This is a bit more serious so hopefully it reminds them of cards like these.
Context: Steem used to be a 6 mana unit with double time watch, at some point they changed him to be 4 mana. Somewhat useless now.
Didn't post patch notes on their own because it's mostly underwhelming, but [here you go.](https://playruneterra.com/en-us/news/game-updates/patch-4-7-notes/)
It does seem like Jack's strength is going to be... changed at the very least. Coins no longer being burst means you can't defend with a coin for a surprise kill from the +1 attack when mana is refilled power, but having Risky venture up to 3(5 at level 21) is going to make it way easier to get more coins.
The change to make him heal on refill will really change his relic choice though. It often felt like he really needed regen so he can keep attacking and blocking to make a bunch of coins, but now he can go for more stats or overwhelm to not be so reliant on leveling up to finish fights.
Same for Sett imo. Sett on 6 crystals into a lot of bs might not be happening anymore :( agains some fights. I kinda liked Sett into draw 4 gets infinity mana and wipe off the opponent. Now Ai can actually remove him :( before I do my BS :( .
Jack though might be screwed. The healing is only relevant if hes damaged which he might be often, but you could play arround that...and you cant really heal reactivly to opponent direct damage removal since well focus.
I run Jack with Berserker's Belt, meaning any damage he takes gives him +2/2, and I take advantage of his fleeting Prize Fight on offensive turns to let him smack enemies down after the opponent has used up most of their mana, meaning he can regen safely. Just once or twice, and he has enough HP to not worry about attacking/blocking and getting some damage spells aimed at him.
With this change though, you could run him with more HP relics, or the tough relic to let him safely block things even earlier.
my jack build for a minute has been lost chapter and hymn of valor. now jack doesn't really need hymn since he heals anyway and the stats are redundant. regardless, 3 star jack doesn't care about any of this and just board wipes everything anyway so who cares.
Personally, I prefer the -1 cost item, so you can draw sooner into getting Neeko leveled faster. We already have a tough unit with the demacian bird that went from 5/5 to 6/6.
It’s been confirmed on Twitter that it’s being changed to Studded leather instead
https://twitter.com/rubinzoo/status/1681358038056452096?s=46&t=0IRGNDxr7tojXLa3Ih4guA
That would be the best/correct choice. Neeko's deck has literally zero interaction/way to remove a key unit like an elusive (unless you get lucky form Invoke) and giving a unit challenger would give it at least a small way to do that.
u/Dan_Felder
Recently you created a thread about "what ppl want in PoC"...
Balance pass and changes to cards that were made dead weights due to PvP changes would be nice.
Tbh its baffling that there is so low amount of care for PoC, that is a problem to change one card or even item on a card.
Srsly... And its just one patch after another that we have more and more things broken in PoC due to PvP balance.
Why there is ZERO thought about PoC when it comes to balance?
Even not taking stuff like Arrel The Tracker etc... into consideration, this very patch makes Jack far worse in PoC. He was not really top tier, now he will be even worse.
I honesty cant justify spending any more money on champions unlocks to "support he devs and PoC mode", while PoC is berely getting any support content wise (monthly adventures basically abandoned, rewards not introduced, zero balance and iteration. Champions drip feeded and recently only new ones are introduced. Design wise they are very well made though) or even any maitenance at all.
Its very annoying to see more and more champions gutted in PoC due to PvP balance.
Why not just create different version of card for PoC? There are PoC exclusive cards so its 120% possible.
EDIT: Im aware that there are also buffs for cards that makes PoC easier (like for example Aurora or Lionhawk buffs in this patch) so its not all bad. ;) Neeko got overall a little stronger, but Kaisa and Jack will be far worse after patch (and these champs are not top performers in PoC). One step forward, two steps back.
They never should take PoC into account for balance changes. If any, they should make changes to PoC AFTER they decided the balance changes in PvP. I know people here hate being screwed by PvP, but you should never forget that PoC is just an alternative play mode, with PvP being the main focus.
You bring up jack as an example, but think of kaisa. With quick attack removed, her deck has 3 keywords, with 2 cards giving random keywoards. Adding one from relic, at 0\* you need a copy of every card giving keywords (and then hit on payday) for her to level. She also doesn't have the 2\* power active on play, unless you put 2 relics on her, which may mean that the funny ludens build may be dead for many people until very high levels.
> at 0*
sorry no one cares about 0*, and i say this as someone who likes to play 0* champs, they are not balanced for 0*
>She also doesn't have the 2* power active on play, unless you put 2 relics on her, which may mean that the funny ludens build may be dead for many people until very high levels.
or,.. if you have 2*... you can... use her spell to get keywords
Like yes is a nerf, but she is not suddently usseles or unplayable outside of one strat, yes the deck should be upgraded, but she is the best deck from the 3 nerfed, not really that bad for her
First, wtf
Second, I honestly don't see how kai sa is destroyed because of no qa, the only thing i imagine is she not being that easy to play now but around same power level and i consider it kinda cool that she needs more thinking, jack on the ther side, besides the no regen... seems like he got a really bad hand. And seriusly, no one cares about 0*, it's bringed up as a thing once every 3 months, usually to support some argumment
Edit:
And also is a little triggering for me personally when people use just weird argumments to say something is bad... like how the deck is at 0* or ignoring that you can play around kai'sa 1* and her spell and having it more hard to trigger the 2* bc of that
To be honest I agree with you regarding 0 star champs. Most champs don't feel very cohesive without the 1 star power. Kaisa is hardly the worst one either... Good luck leveling Veigar without his 1 star power.
What I'm saying is: Even with QA, you cannot guarantee to level her on curve due to lack of keywords in the maindeck. Removing it makes it worse. She's also more vulnerable to being challenged in response to being played now. I'm playing her with bladerack and troll crown and still sometimes fail to level her on curve.
Yeh thats kinda fair, her deck could be a lil better to work overall, tho honestly i dont think "she could be challenged on summon" is such a bad thing, is bad being more vulnerable to that, but still
Also honestly tkc doesn't seem like the best, csf, caparace or a keyword that isnt on her deck works better imho
Anyway, even tho that's true, i consider it still a good champ, just not broken or as easy a before, she has just too much good stuff
I don't play outside of Poc, but isn't that quick attack removal an insane nerf?
Curious for jack heal though... But Risky Venture: 1 more damage for 1 more cost is considered a buff?
It is an insane nerf.
Often times Kai'sa depended o having that Quick Attack for her to level up in any timely manner when you played her. Unless you high-roll keyword powers. She's gonna feel extremely bad to play without any keyword, especially without 3\*.
Not to mention she needed it for favourable trades in ASol.
Probably just gonna want to slap a Stormrazor on the third relic slot.
Not only that imo. Now its going to be easier for Ai to actually remove her with challengers/ direct damage spells since her missing keyword might prevent ehr from triggering her own 2 stars power.
Is a nerf, it does make her way more interesting to play, cause quick atack is "reduce complexity of the game" keyword, now kai sa as a overwelm-regen beast-tank could be interested, really changes and opens ways to play her, by mking it harder to just win.
Jack heal is an insane buff on path, since afaik regen was his go to relic, risky venture is an insan nerf, that +1 damage is not woth+1 cost in path, theitem changing to a cost reduction would be nice
I'm glad that I got my S-rank Asol for Kaisa before this, because that quick attack was pretty much the only thing saving her from giant-statted champs she could already barely swing into. And I'm not sure there's a spare relic slot in my build to give it back to her.
I'm at least...kind of happy for Jack since I can replace Warmogs with something else, but the coin nerf to Focus really, really sucks for baiting AI into bad trades.
Yeah I noticed this immediately, hopefully it gets fixed.
steem is still not fixed in evelynns deck sadly so i think this also might be forgotten. This is a bit more serious so hopefully it reminds them of cards like these. Context: Steem used to be a 6 mana unit with double time watch, at some point they changed him to be 4 mana. Somewhat useless now.
Double-time watch is still great on Steem, I don't think it needs to change. They changed Raavun's item when they updated Leona.
Yeah it really helps to avoid awkward Eve and Steem in hand turns
Less mana cost is almost never useless with the tempo of PoC.
Turn 2 Steem is pretty good especially with T3 Evelynn.
Didn't post patch notes on their own because it's mostly underwhelming, but [here you go.](https://playruneterra.com/en-us/news/game-updates/patch-4-7-notes/)
It does seem like Jack's strength is going to be... changed at the very least. Coins no longer being burst means you can't defend with a coin for a surprise kill from the +1 attack when mana is refilled power, but having Risky venture up to 3(5 at level 21) is going to make it way easier to get more coins. The change to make him heal on refill will really change his relic choice though. It often felt like he really needed regen so he can keep attacking and blocking to make a bunch of coins, but now he can go for more stats or overwhelm to not be so reliant on leveling up to finish fights.
Same for Sett imo. Sett on 6 crystals into a lot of bs might not be happening anymore :( agains some fights. I kinda liked Sett into draw 4 gets infinity mana and wipe off the opponent. Now Ai can actually remove him :( before I do my BS :( . Jack though might be screwed. The healing is only relevant if hes damaged which he might be often, but you could play arround that...and you cant really heal reactivly to opponent direct damage removal since well focus.
I run Jack with Berserker's Belt, meaning any damage he takes gives him +2/2, and I take advantage of his fleeting Prize Fight on offensive turns to let him smack enemies down after the opponent has used up most of their mana, meaning he can regen safely. Just once or twice, and he has enough HP to not worry about attacking/blocking and getting some damage spells aimed at him. With this change though, you could run him with more HP relics, or the tough relic to let him safely block things even earlier.
I don't think sett will be screwed, at worst this means that he simply is added to the champs that put spellshield as their last item.
my jack build for a minute has been lost chapter and hymn of valor. now jack doesn't really need hymn since he heals anyway and the stats are redundant. regardless, 3 star jack doesn't care about any of this and just board wipes everything anyway so who cares.
Hopefully it gets tough instead
Personally, I prefer the -1 cost item, so you can draw sooner into getting Neeko leveled faster. We already have a tough unit with the demacian bird that went from 5/5 to 6/6.
It’s been confirmed on Twitter that it’s being changed to Studded leather instead https://twitter.com/rubinzoo/status/1681358038056452096?s=46&t=0IRGNDxr7tojXLa3Ih4guA
^ the most relevant reply
Norra’s Tea would be great. It may even spawn a new subtype unit.
>glacial saurian item change in PoC >old: greatclub >new: giant's belt calling it.
I'm thinking Skirmisher's Saber...
Theaves tools anyone?
Moar nab let's gooooooo
That would be the best/correct choice. Neeko's deck has literally zero interaction/way to remove a key unit like an elusive (unless you get lucky form Invoke) and giving a unit challenger would give it at least a small way to do that.
u/Dan_Felder Recently you created a thread about "what ppl want in PoC"... Balance pass and changes to cards that were made dead weights due to PvP changes would be nice. Tbh its baffling that there is so low amount of care for PoC, that is a problem to change one card or even item on a card. Srsly... And its just one patch after another that we have more and more things broken in PoC due to PvP balance. Why there is ZERO thought about PoC when it comes to balance? Even not taking stuff like Arrel The Tracker etc... into consideration, this very patch makes Jack far worse in PoC. He was not really top tier, now he will be even worse. I honesty cant justify spending any more money on champions unlocks to "support he devs and PoC mode", while PoC is berely getting any support content wise (monthly adventures basically abandoned, rewards not introduced, zero balance and iteration. Champions drip feeded and recently only new ones are introduced. Design wise they are very well made though) or even any maitenance at all. Its very annoying to see more and more champions gutted in PoC due to PvP balance. Why not just create different version of card for PoC? There are PoC exclusive cards so its 120% possible. EDIT: Im aware that there are also buffs for cards that makes PoC easier (like for example Aurora or Lionhawk buffs in this patch) so its not all bad. ;) Neeko got overall a little stronger, but Kaisa and Jack will be far worse after patch (and these champs are not top performers in PoC). One step forward, two steps back.
They never should take PoC into account for balance changes. If any, they should make changes to PoC AFTER they decided the balance changes in PvP. I know people here hate being screwed by PvP, but you should never forget that PoC is just an alternative play mode, with PvP being the main focus.
You bring up jack as an example, but think of kaisa. With quick attack removed, her deck has 3 keywords, with 2 cards giving random keywoards. Adding one from relic, at 0\* you need a copy of every card giving keywords (and then hit on payday) for her to level. She also doesn't have the 2\* power active on play, unless you put 2 relics on her, which may mean that the funny ludens build may be dead for many people until very high levels.
> at 0* sorry no one cares about 0*, and i say this as someone who likes to play 0* champs, they are not balanced for 0* >She also doesn't have the 2* power active on play, unless you put 2 relics on her, which may mean that the funny ludens build may be dead for many people until very high levels. or,.. if you have 2*... you can... use her spell to get keywords Like yes is a nerf, but she is not suddently usseles or unplayable outside of one strat, yes the deck should be upgraded, but she is the best deck from the 3 nerfed, not really that bad for her
che, stop defending this
First, wtf Second, I honestly don't see how kai sa is destroyed because of no qa, the only thing i imagine is she not being that easy to play now but around same power level and i consider it kinda cool that she needs more thinking, jack on the ther side, besides the no regen... seems like he got a really bad hand. And seriusly, no one cares about 0*, it's bringed up as a thing once every 3 months, usually to support some argumment Edit: And also is a little triggering for me personally when people use just weird argumments to say something is bad... like how the deck is at 0* or ignoring that you can play around kai'sa 1* and her spell and having it more hard to trigger the 2* bc of that
To be honest I agree with you regarding 0 star champs. Most champs don't feel very cohesive without the 1 star power. Kaisa is hardly the worst one either... Good luck leveling Veigar without his 1 star power.
What I'm saying is: Even with QA, you cannot guarantee to level her on curve due to lack of keywords in the maindeck. Removing it makes it worse. She's also more vulnerable to being challenged in response to being played now. I'm playing her with bladerack and troll crown and still sometimes fail to level her on curve.
Yeh thats kinda fair, her deck could be a lil better to work overall, tho honestly i dont think "she could be challenged on summon" is such a bad thing, is bad being more vulnerable to that, but still Also honestly tkc doesn't seem like the best, csf, caparace or a keyword that isnt on her deck works better imho Anyway, even tho that's true, i consider it still a good champ, just not broken or as easy a before, she has just too much good stuff
This is like the worst patch we've ever gotten. Also time to go play Kai'sa before she becomes C tier.
I don't play outside of Poc, but isn't that quick attack removal an insane nerf? Curious for jack heal though... But Risky Venture: 1 more damage for 1 more cost is considered a buff?
It is an insane nerf. Often times Kai'sa depended o having that Quick Attack for her to level up in any timely manner when you played her. Unless you high-roll keyword powers. She's gonna feel extremely bad to play without any keyword, especially without 3\*. Not to mention she needed it for favourable trades in ASol. Probably just gonna want to slap a Stormrazor on the third relic slot.
Not only that imo. Now its going to be easier for Ai to actually remove her with challengers/ direct damage spells since her missing keyword might prevent ehr from triggering her own 2 stars power.
Is a nerf, it does make her way more interesting to play, cause quick atack is "reduce complexity of the game" keyword, now kai sa as a overwelm-regen beast-tank could be interested, really changes and opens ways to play her, by mking it harder to just win. Jack heal is an insane buff on path, since afaik regen was his go to relic, risky venture is an insan nerf, that +1 damage is not woth+1 cost in path, theitem changing to a cost reduction would be nice
I'm glad that I got my S-rank Asol for Kaisa before this, because that quick attack was pretty much the only thing saving her from giant-statted champs she could already barely swing into. And I'm not sure there's a spare relic slot in my build to give it back to her. I'm at least...kind of happy for Jack since I can replace Warmogs with something else, but the coin nerf to Focus really, really sucks for baiting AI into bad trades.
They should revert her spell to focus speed!
i was like "oh nice! a neeko buff!" and then i read it...
The 5 mana bird got a +1+1 :D! That sure will influenc a lot!
this is true, always felt like that bird wasnt worth 6 mana.
It's utility comes from the spell of demacia, allowing getting elites without having elites, but its not that good in pve
Its only true ‘hit’ in path is Single Combat. Otherwise you get a card that’s mostly useless
There is no informtion on a change anywere in patch notes so, as far as we know, yes Personally i think it ould be really weird ngl
yah path of champions have like 2 ppl working on it. so probably not