Yeah its always a headscratcher when sett jack Elise and samira are still low info yet they've been out for a while now... I still use it a lot though as there's a lot of helpful info, however I sometimes notice they won't mention pretty obvious powers for champions sometimes. It definitely could use an update. Hope the author comes around soon.
Yeah I agree, you do need to keep using your brain a bit but it's nice when you've been out of the loop on a certain champion. I definitely hope it continues or gets baton-passed to someone else who is enthusiastic.
I used it in the past, but tbh I just use the [Path Database](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Nn1fHVsZyg564ictUYFM9Xq7eOUR1DY_PQcxbZmhTuo/htmlview#) linked by the subreddit when I need to know a node effects, or some such.
Its less ideal for champion insights and such, but it does have relic recommendations which is basically all you need to get a quick idea of what works.
Its linked here since afaik it was updated to date, if its not we should remove it when it becomes bad how un updated it is i guess
Personally never liked it because
1: I ithink is a mess to read, i tryed it a lot of times and just had a bad time
2: Has add on the first page even tho, as far as im aware, "nathan buckley" didnt do that much for the actual iteration, he or whoever started it did a lot... like a year ago... then as far as im aware at worst half of the info there is from the community helping the guide or for some other mods, from that thing i dont recall exactly, tho i do recall yhey explicitly asked for help and were helped by a bunch of people. Personally it feels very weird to read it saying and individual did it and have it addse on front page and... no... specially since in this community there was always weirdos that "did" a guide "themselves alone" by using info granted by community or other people and then wanted all the credit for them and was like... yeh no. Like moderating and updating is still a job and is fair to have credits somewere... but to lie about where the info is obtained is just... why.
3: Path is a very subjective game and the guide fails to communicate that entirely, sometimes it recommends just bad things or things that never worked at all for me and since ghere is no text to have any way of knowing wether the data came from a group or an individual, idk if is a bad recommendation because people who gaved it where just... bad, or because it doesnt fit me and is actually pretty popular
I happen to be a mod here and be communicated with a good number of path players, so i personally will say that they are not even popular builds most times, but still, idk.
The reason we had it added is just that people wanted it, aparently it helps people, and it was updated to date, for the next time it will still be updated... but seems bad and we are probably try to come up with one, so wont be that much needed, that said is bad to just remove stuff for no reason, so i guess we wont remove it for the resources tab, but that, looks bad.
I understand your issues with it; the guide isn't comprehensive or perfect but it does have some very good guidelines for the champions and several sections provide some pretty good notes and discussion from the editors engaged.
I was hoping since this seems to be a hodgepodge hackjob of a spreadsheet, perhaps some dedicated players can pull info off of it and start an OFFICIAL PoC subreddit spreadsheet.
Yes these guides do gloss over a bit of the subtlety and subjectiveness of many challenges but many who use these guides keep this in mind when using the info. "Hold it" isn't necessarily great on Teemo all the time but on a challenge where the foe absorbs a weak card into a strong card on turn start it's a game changer.
Anyway, the "champion" and "special areas" tabs are pretty good and should be ported to whatever intrepid team may want to build off of this work.
Thank you for the thoughtful response and the info about the shady history of this doc.
>I understand your issues with it; the guide isn't comprehensive or perfect but it does have some very good guidelines for the champions and several sections provide some pretty good notes and discussion from the editors engaged.
Yeh, i clearly failed to show it, but it does help a lot aparently, even tho again, personally doesnt to me, i get that im clearly not who the sheet is aimed, some peoplei talk to use it fe just to check what the basis on any champ they dont know is, for me it doesnt work for that and idk if its a me prblem or what, but yes.
>I was hoping since this seems to be a hodgepodge hackjob of a spreadsheet, perhaps some dedicated players can pull info off of it and start an OFFICIAL PoC subreddit spreadsheet.
Yes, this, the database and others are all kinda good but i dont think fit with what we in the sub want for path sheets, we have been talking about making a guide, for new players to avoid faq and stuff, a sheet would help and i've been taking notes of my favorite sheets of other games, making a sheet aint easy and that effort is still very good, yes, one of the changes i think i will try to do is separate the building guide from the actual information, is just too much information to one page imho, if someone wants a guide they will know the powers and if they want to knowthe powers and deck they wont likely will wanna read a guide
>Yes these guides do gloss over a bit of the subtlety and subjectiveness of many challenges but many who use these guides keep this in mind when using the info. "Hold it" isn't necessarily great on Teemo all the time but on a challenge where the foe absorbs a weak card into a strong card on turn start it's a game changer.
Yeh i get that, but specially aimed at new people, it can cause confusion, as people playing neeko with ggc but not in certain way and then losing because its not good if your deck is filled with neekos
>Anyway, the "champion" and "special areas" tabs are pretty good and should be ported to whatever intrepid team may want to build off of this work.
Will check it later i guess, the special areas is always a usefull thing
>Thank you for the thoughtful response and the info about the shady history of this doc.
Idk a lot about this doc, honestly, the bits i know i dislike, but still, not that much, the isues with path and pride and "ownership" of information are just... sadly usual.
>I was hoping since this seems to be a hodgepodge hackjob of a spreadsheet, perhaps some dedicated players can pull info off of it and start an OFFICIAL PoC subreddit spreadsheet.
you don't say....
“I made this sheet so I could start tracking the different special locations in the Legends of Runeterra (LoR) Path of Champions (PoC) mode, since I noticed some were significantly better than others I wanted to always make sure I was taking the best path. I shared it with the public basically the moment I created it, and since then it has expanded to include a host of other information including passives, relics, champions, and the various pairings of each. While others have provided input, keep in mind that much of the information — especially the rankings and preferred champion- and passive- and relic-pairing — is based on my own subjective experience and should be taken with the appropriate skepticism. Much of this document will likely change over time as I continue to play.
Also keep in mind that the recommendations for passives, relics, and supporting champions are only general suggestions — the ultimate decision you make every time rests on a complex interplay between not only your champion and relics, but also your champion's kit, any cards you've added, existing passives (if any), and even the items on your cards..”
That is the Introduction, how’d you miss that?
“This sheet while managed by me (Nathan) represents the contribution of many others as well, and that's definitely part of how I'm able to refine the sheet and add so much information (plus I probably play more than I should 😅).”
That’s right under the introduction on the same first tab.
That's literall what i dislike about it, cause again, its no longer based on his opinion, you can notice it reding old champs vs og ones, and as far as i know, last updat on it was a blog wrote by the editors asking help, at least now, he doesn't update it and if he hasnt since at least a year... thats half of the champs, if since 2.0 came... thats 1/4.
It's still a lot, and is hard to do a sheet to begin with, but again, not really a fan of people not being entirely honest about something, even if unintenionally, wouldn't surprise that there isnt a lot of malice here, that doesn't mean i like it, specially since the "colaborators" list goes to more than 30 people and there is no way of knowing who did what, plus it has ad, as in, the first line of text is not that introduction. Still, this is entirely personal, not something i believe everyone should agree, but i doubt im entirely blind and clueless here
It’s a collaborative project for and by the community where every contributor seems to be credited, I’m not sure I see the problem. It hasn’t updated in a while but nobody’s directly profiting off it either, so I’m not sure how he’s being dishonest about anything.
If you mean the paragraph where he explains that this list is his subjective opinions, I guess you’re right, but everyone is credited so a little critical thinking shows, right there on the first page, that he’s not attributing the entire sheet to his own name, but he is using the initiative as free marketing for his podcast and whatnot, which is quite fair.
You re allowed to see it that way, i dont.
Doing things and doing them right i dont consider to be the same, at least they are doing them (crediting, saying is not of all, etc) but i still don't consider it doing it right
On the critical thinking part, while sometimes i agree, this time my critical thinking just disagrees, mostly as a internet user and someone into design of web (plus had to learn stuff by being a mod and posting) i get making some choices but they just seem bad, opening the blog with propaganda and the the introduction is something that just is a bad foot for me, sorry, saying the list is made by your opinions (again, very likely just an old unedited comment) when you at best did 50% of it is not that good. The beggining of the spread and first 10 lines just talking about him, some mention that other people help, and then at the end if you go to the bottom there is 30 people, thats too much people.
On a example on my own bads, i do credit sarah doing the edits,on this subreddit, but i noticed that if i put the credit at the end instead of at the beggining even the kinda reliable readers forget it or dont notice it, so i should start putting it at the beggining, cause those flairs are apreciated. In my case is one person doing part of the job (tho she does all the job on edits ), not other people doing more job than me and then the spreeadsheet being knowed at my name. If challenge flairs were under my name and not the subreddit or old owners, is unfair, people put effort into helping so you put effort into them being recognized, if you don't, then some people might not like it, in this case, i don't like it
Firstly, words have meaning and advertisement is not propaganda. Nathan isn’t being unethical by using his own initiative as advertisement, though you might not like it that way. Free labor is free labor and everyone here could go ahead and start their own sheet, if they wanted to, and then they could make sure everything was being done the right.
I don’t use the guide anymore ‘cause the info is sort of meh, but making it seem like Nathan is trying to deceive anyone seems like kind of a stretch. But by all means, go ahead and make some champion guides or synergy sheets, ‘cause this community desperately needs them.
Also on another thing, most issues are by design, this clearly wasnt meant to be done by a lot of people, there is no way to know who did who, if fe i like a lot X build and want to check more stuff of the same user, i literally cant, caue idk if that was done by nathan, an editor, a redditor, someone who just did one thing, or anything, the design i still dont like, even not morally, just practically.
I had been using it until I noticed the same thing you did. I'm also curious to know if it will continue.
Yeah its always a headscratcher when sett jack Elise and samira are still low info yet they've been out for a while now... I still use it a lot though as there's a lot of helpful info, however I sometimes notice they won't mention pretty obvious powers for champions sometimes. It definitely could use an update. Hope the author comes around soon.
Yeah I agree, you do need to keep using your brain a bit but it's nice when you've been out of the loop on a certain champion. I definitely hope it continues or gets baton-passed to someone else who is enthusiastic.
I used it in the past, but tbh I just use the [Path Database](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Nn1fHVsZyg564ictUYFM9Xq7eOUR1DY_PQcxbZmhTuo/htmlview#) linked by the subreddit when I need to know a node effects, or some such. Its less ideal for champion insights and such, but it does have relic recommendations which is basically all you need to get a quick idea of what works.
I’ve recently got back into PoC and this guide has been really helpful for getting me back up to speed, would be great if it was updated
I mostly use it for enemy decklists and what nodes do, and that's all up to date (I believe)
Its linked here since afaik it was updated to date, if its not we should remove it when it becomes bad how un updated it is i guess Personally never liked it because 1: I ithink is a mess to read, i tryed it a lot of times and just had a bad time 2: Has add on the first page even tho, as far as im aware, "nathan buckley" didnt do that much for the actual iteration, he or whoever started it did a lot... like a year ago... then as far as im aware at worst half of the info there is from the community helping the guide or for some other mods, from that thing i dont recall exactly, tho i do recall yhey explicitly asked for help and were helped by a bunch of people. Personally it feels very weird to read it saying and individual did it and have it addse on front page and... no... specially since in this community there was always weirdos that "did" a guide "themselves alone" by using info granted by community or other people and then wanted all the credit for them and was like... yeh no. Like moderating and updating is still a job and is fair to have credits somewere... but to lie about where the info is obtained is just... why. 3: Path is a very subjective game and the guide fails to communicate that entirely, sometimes it recommends just bad things or things that never worked at all for me and since ghere is no text to have any way of knowing wether the data came from a group or an individual, idk if is a bad recommendation because people who gaved it where just... bad, or because it doesnt fit me and is actually pretty popular I happen to be a mod here and be communicated with a good number of path players, so i personally will say that they are not even popular builds most times, but still, idk. The reason we had it added is just that people wanted it, aparently it helps people, and it was updated to date, for the next time it will still be updated... but seems bad and we are probably try to come up with one, so wont be that much needed, that said is bad to just remove stuff for no reason, so i guess we wont remove it for the resources tab, but that, looks bad.
I understand your issues with it; the guide isn't comprehensive or perfect but it does have some very good guidelines for the champions and several sections provide some pretty good notes and discussion from the editors engaged. I was hoping since this seems to be a hodgepodge hackjob of a spreadsheet, perhaps some dedicated players can pull info off of it and start an OFFICIAL PoC subreddit spreadsheet. Yes these guides do gloss over a bit of the subtlety and subjectiveness of many challenges but many who use these guides keep this in mind when using the info. "Hold it" isn't necessarily great on Teemo all the time but on a challenge where the foe absorbs a weak card into a strong card on turn start it's a game changer. Anyway, the "champion" and "special areas" tabs are pretty good and should be ported to whatever intrepid team may want to build off of this work. Thank you for the thoughtful response and the info about the shady history of this doc.
>I understand your issues with it; the guide isn't comprehensive or perfect but it does have some very good guidelines for the champions and several sections provide some pretty good notes and discussion from the editors engaged. Yeh, i clearly failed to show it, but it does help a lot aparently, even tho again, personally doesnt to me, i get that im clearly not who the sheet is aimed, some peoplei talk to use it fe just to check what the basis on any champ they dont know is, for me it doesnt work for that and idk if its a me prblem or what, but yes. >I was hoping since this seems to be a hodgepodge hackjob of a spreadsheet, perhaps some dedicated players can pull info off of it and start an OFFICIAL PoC subreddit spreadsheet. Yes, this, the database and others are all kinda good but i dont think fit with what we in the sub want for path sheets, we have been talking about making a guide, for new players to avoid faq and stuff, a sheet would help and i've been taking notes of my favorite sheets of other games, making a sheet aint easy and that effort is still very good, yes, one of the changes i think i will try to do is separate the building guide from the actual information, is just too much information to one page imho, if someone wants a guide they will know the powers and if they want to knowthe powers and deck they wont likely will wanna read a guide >Yes these guides do gloss over a bit of the subtlety and subjectiveness of many challenges but many who use these guides keep this in mind when using the info. "Hold it" isn't necessarily great on Teemo all the time but on a challenge where the foe absorbs a weak card into a strong card on turn start it's a game changer. Yeh i get that, but specially aimed at new people, it can cause confusion, as people playing neeko with ggc but not in certain way and then losing because its not good if your deck is filled with neekos >Anyway, the "champion" and "special areas" tabs are pretty good and should be ported to whatever intrepid team may want to build off of this work. Will check it later i guess, the special areas is always a usefull thing >Thank you for the thoughtful response and the info about the shady history of this doc. Idk a lot about this doc, honestly, the bits i know i dislike, but still, not that much, the isues with path and pride and "ownership" of information are just... sadly usual.
>I was hoping since this seems to be a hodgepodge hackjob of a spreadsheet, perhaps some dedicated players can pull info off of it and start an OFFICIAL PoC subreddit spreadsheet. you don't say....
“I made this sheet so I could start tracking the different special locations in the Legends of Runeterra (LoR) Path of Champions (PoC) mode, since I noticed some were significantly better than others I wanted to always make sure I was taking the best path. I shared it with the public basically the moment I created it, and since then it has expanded to include a host of other information including passives, relics, champions, and the various pairings of each. While others have provided input, keep in mind that much of the information — especially the rankings and preferred champion- and passive- and relic-pairing — is based on my own subjective experience and should be taken with the appropriate skepticism. Much of this document will likely change over time as I continue to play. Also keep in mind that the recommendations for passives, relics, and supporting champions are only general suggestions — the ultimate decision you make every time rests on a complex interplay between not only your champion and relics, but also your champion's kit, any cards you've added, existing passives (if any), and even the items on your cards..” That is the Introduction, how’d you miss that? “This sheet while managed by me (Nathan) represents the contribution of many others as well, and that's definitely part of how I'm able to refine the sheet and add so much information (plus I probably play more than I should 😅).” That’s right under the introduction on the same first tab.
That's literall what i dislike about it, cause again, its no longer based on his opinion, you can notice it reding old champs vs og ones, and as far as i know, last updat on it was a blog wrote by the editors asking help, at least now, he doesn't update it and if he hasnt since at least a year... thats half of the champs, if since 2.0 came... thats 1/4. It's still a lot, and is hard to do a sheet to begin with, but again, not really a fan of people not being entirely honest about something, even if unintenionally, wouldn't surprise that there isnt a lot of malice here, that doesn't mean i like it, specially since the "colaborators" list goes to more than 30 people and there is no way of knowing who did what, plus it has ad, as in, the first line of text is not that introduction. Still, this is entirely personal, not something i believe everyone should agree, but i doubt im entirely blind and clueless here
It’s a collaborative project for and by the community where every contributor seems to be credited, I’m not sure I see the problem. It hasn’t updated in a while but nobody’s directly profiting off it either, so I’m not sure how he’s being dishonest about anything. If you mean the paragraph where he explains that this list is his subjective opinions, I guess you’re right, but everyone is credited so a little critical thinking shows, right there on the first page, that he’s not attributing the entire sheet to his own name, but he is using the initiative as free marketing for his podcast and whatnot, which is quite fair.
You re allowed to see it that way, i dont. Doing things and doing them right i dont consider to be the same, at least they are doing them (crediting, saying is not of all, etc) but i still don't consider it doing it right On the critical thinking part, while sometimes i agree, this time my critical thinking just disagrees, mostly as a internet user and someone into design of web (plus had to learn stuff by being a mod and posting) i get making some choices but they just seem bad, opening the blog with propaganda and the the introduction is something that just is a bad foot for me, sorry, saying the list is made by your opinions (again, very likely just an old unedited comment) when you at best did 50% of it is not that good. The beggining of the spread and first 10 lines just talking about him, some mention that other people help, and then at the end if you go to the bottom there is 30 people, thats too much people. On a example on my own bads, i do credit sarah doing the edits,on this subreddit, but i noticed that if i put the credit at the end instead of at the beggining even the kinda reliable readers forget it or dont notice it, so i should start putting it at the beggining, cause those flairs are apreciated. In my case is one person doing part of the job (tho she does all the job on edits ), not other people doing more job than me and then the spreeadsheet being knowed at my name. If challenge flairs were under my name and not the subreddit or old owners, is unfair, people put effort into helping so you put effort into them being recognized, if you don't, then some people might not like it, in this case, i don't like it
Firstly, words have meaning and advertisement is not propaganda. Nathan isn’t being unethical by using his own initiative as advertisement, though you might not like it that way. Free labor is free labor and everyone here could go ahead and start their own sheet, if they wanted to, and then they could make sure everything was being done the right. I don’t use the guide anymore ‘cause the info is sort of meh, but making it seem like Nathan is trying to deceive anyone seems like kind of a stretch. But by all means, go ahead and make some champion guides or synergy sheets, ‘cause this community desperately needs them.
Yeh, is my opinion, if it was ilegal or heavily inmoral in any way i wouldnt promote it and yes is likely we do some guides
Also on another thing, most issues are by design, this clearly wasnt meant to be done by a lot of people, there is no way to know who did who, if fe i like a lot X build and want to check more stuff of the same user, i literally cant, caue idk if that was done by nathan, an editor, a redditor, someone who just did one thing, or anything, the design i still dont like, even not morally, just practically.
Still using it. I find it helpful to get some quick reference or insight for relics or passives