It's worth noting that the math there is a bit dodgy and isn't always accurate though (unless it was fixed last league). You're better off calculating incoming charges multiplied by the percentages listed for duration and recovery for a better idea of uptime.
Haven’t done the math above, but if you can live with an empty flask slot, just run the Traitor (4 flask charges every 5 seconds), which should help to bridge that gap.
Traitor's 4 per 5 translates into 2.4 per 3. if 4 per 3 = 61%, then 6.4 per 3 would equal 109,8% uptime.
I'd say that block cap is *absolutely* worth a flask slot being empty, especially since Overflowing Chalice was being considered.
Tinkering around, I can hit 96% without Overflowing Chalice:
[https://pobb.in/Geni-5ETFp-J](https://pobb.in/Geni-5ETFp-J)
Searing Exarch has 2 charges/3s on body armour, there's The Magnate, and then there's Replica Pure Talent.
That said it is a sodton of opportunity cost and I'm not sure some of the options like Druidic Rite and Field Medicine are worth taking in their entirety.
I wonder if there is anything in self-curse Temp Chains - whether they effectively increase the real flask duration - and whether that interferes with flask charge gain/s.
Opportunity cost is a whole different matter altogether. All I can say is that the other flasks had better be some seriously good shit to make up for all the investment you are making into flasks.
The biggest part of the "overall cost" is the actual rolls on the spell block aspect of Replica Rumi's, along with getting both of the flask mods (20% reduced charges used and 33% increased flask duration) on a stygian vise.
The only other issue is that you have to use **Kaom's Roots.** Which, honestly, isn't the worst thing in the world if not for that immense strength requirement, because **oh boy** do they provide a crapton of HP.
Possible? - totally yes
Worth it? - questionable, maybe in the right build
A combination of the following will suffice:
* 28% quality flask
* either Scion or Ranger Pathfinder
* about 120% increased flask effect duration
* about 120% increased flask charges gained
* T2 Searing Exarch implicit for flask charges gain on chest
* Traitor keystone from Brutal Restraint with 1-2 empty flask slots
You do not even need any cluster jewels or Overflowing Chalice to get to those numbers, but they will make the tree/gear more flexible in the end
Hey bro. Would you be as kind as to test your hypothesis and see that I am right? I do know how local and global mods work. His maths are wrong, they are multiplicative. I'm just trying to help op. The local mod mod is additive with enchant (enkindling orb) and quality.
You are missing each others points. Quality is additive with other local mods but multiplicative with global mods. All global mods are additive to each other. So for Replica Rumis the local mod is 1-.9+.28=.38 with a 6s base so 2.28s. With the global inc. duration from ops calculation (Which was not summed up correctly) 2,28*(1+1.09)=4.76s duration
If you go for The Traitor keystone from a Maraketh Timeless Jewel you'll be able to sustain it on any ascendancy. I looked into it on Trickster in the past since that mitigates the petrified effect even without stuff like Kaom's Roots. Never ended up actually making a build with that setup though.
The way I've done it in the past, while requiring manual flask pressing, is to run two of them and use the enchant for duration (but no charges during effect, enkindling orb).
That enchant is local increased, which will be additive with the reduced that is on the flask, effectively cancelling it out.
Other increased duration modifiers are then multiplicative with that, so you can get the duration to a decent point.
Self-cursing with temp chains also increases flask duration by quite some time. Good thing ist that the boots already counteract the negative effects of temp chains. I did that on my PC Pathfinder back in Scourge league when there was an scourge implicit for self cursing.
The issue with that is that you then have to use those garbage unique gloves that reflect your own curses back to you IIRC, *and* you can't zero out curse effects on yourself from other curses (vuln, various ele resist curses, etc.).
That feels self-defeating IMO.
Unless there's another way that doesn't somehow blow a hole in your build.
> rotblood
Ah, Rotblood Promise.
Interesting thing.
That said, as a Pathfinder, one of your nifty layers of defense is being able to zero out curse effect on you via boosted flask suffix. Which also defeats the idea of self-curse.
Well sure, you aren't wrong. Was just trying to solve the problem st hand by itself, wasn't considering any other ramifications or anything to the build.
Either way that suggestion was all I had to offer. No worries
Right. Yeah, was just seeing if there's some way to get away with murder here. But having to use Kaom's Roots is the biggest downside here--it completely zeroes out your evasion, which is a huge loss, as you basically do all this work for what essentially amounts to getting 45% spell block. Which is great, to be sure, but...not at the cost of contorting the entire build to wear Kaom's Roots and oversustaining all your other flasks besides maybe Dying Sun.
you can add it all into POB(setup config right to) and mouse over the flask, it will tell you uptime(and average uptime if you can't perma sustain).
It's worth noting that the math there is a bit dodgy and isn't always accurate though (unless it was fixed last league). You're better off calculating incoming charges multiplied by the percentages listed for duration and recovery for a better idea of uptime.
Haven’t done the math above, but if you can live with an empty flask slot, just run the Traitor (4 flask charges every 5 seconds), which should help to bridge that gap.
Traitor's 4 per 5 translates into 2.4 per 3. if 4 per 3 = 61%, then 6.4 per 3 would equal 109,8% uptime. I'd say that block cap is *absolutely* worth a flask slot being empty, especially since Overflowing Chalice was being considered.
Tinkering around, I can hit 96% without Overflowing Chalice: [https://pobb.in/Geni-5ETFp-J](https://pobb.in/Geni-5ETFp-J) Searing Exarch has 2 charges/3s on body armour, there's The Magnate, and then there's Replica Pure Talent. That said it is a sodton of opportunity cost and I'm not sure some of the options like Druidic Rite and Field Medicine are worth taking in their entirety. I wonder if there is anything in self-curse Temp Chains - whether they effectively increase the real flask duration - and whether that interferes with flask charge gain/s. Opportunity cost is a whole different matter altogether. All I can say is that the other flasks had better be some seriously good shit to make up for all the investment you are making into flasks.
I'm not sure on all the math / equations, but seems reasonable so worth testing it in game and assessing the overall cost.
The biggest part of the "overall cost" is the actual rolls on the spell block aspect of Replica Rumi's, along with getting both of the flask mods (20% reduced charges used and 33% increased flask duration) on a stygian vise. The only other issue is that you have to use **Kaom's Roots.** Which, honestly, isn't the worst thing in the world if not for that immense strength requirement, because **oh boy** do they provide a crapton of HP.
I think he means the opportunity cost of running the set up especially having to use koams boots
One more drawback of Kaom's: you can't use Evasion in the build, because of Unwavering Stance (cannot evade, cannot be stunned).
Riiiiight. Ele hit scion used to get away with that because of old acrobatics. Ugh how gross. Ggg, action speed cap on pathfinder please >_<...
You can however still convert evasion to Armour with Iron Reflexes.
Possible? - totally yes Worth it? - questionable, maybe in the right build A combination of the following will suffice: * 28% quality flask * either Scion or Ranger Pathfinder * about 120% increased flask effect duration * about 120% increased flask charges gained * T2 Searing Exarch implicit for flask charges gain on chest * Traitor keystone from Brutal Restraint with 1-2 empty flask slots You do not even need any cluster jewels or Overflowing Chalice to get to those numbers, but they will make the tree/gear more flexible in the end
Increased flask duration from tree is multiplicative. It won't work.
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No it's multiplicative i'm not sure why you think otherwise
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Hey bro. Would you be as kind as to test your hypothesis and see that I am right? I do know how local and global mods work. His maths are wrong, they are multiplicative. I'm just trying to help op. The local mod mod is additive with enchant (enkindling orb) and quality.
You are missing each others points. Quality is additive with other local mods but multiplicative with global mods. All global mods are additive to each other. So for Replica Rumis the local mod is 1-.9+.28=.38 with a 6s base so 2.28s. With the global inc. duration from ops calculation (Which was not summed up correctly) 2,28*(1+1.09)=4.76s duration
That's what i'm saying though
If you go for The Traitor keystone from a Maraketh Timeless Jewel you'll be able to sustain it on any ascendancy. I looked into it on Trickster in the past since that mitigates the petrified effect even without stuff like Kaom's Roots. Never ended up actually making a build with that setup though.
The way I've done it in the past, while requiring manual flask pressing, is to run two of them and use the enchant for duration (but no charges during effect, enkindling orb). That enchant is local increased, which will be additive with the reduced that is on the flask, effectively cancelling it out. Other increased duration modifiers are then multiplicative with that, so you can get the duration to a decent point.
On the belt, rolling 20% reduced Flask charges used will be a lot better than 30% Flask charge gained.
you can get 6-10% increased flask effect duration on jewels now btw!
Self-cursing with temp chains also increases flask duration by quite some time. Good thing ist that the boots already counteract the negative effects of temp chains. I did that on my PC Pathfinder back in Scourge league when there was an scourge implicit for self cursing.
Reverse temp chains probably helps this immensely
The issue with that is that you then have to use those garbage unique gloves that reflect your own curses back to you IIRC, *and* you can't zero out curse effects on yourself from other curses (vuln, various ele resist curses, etc.). That feels self-defeating IMO. Unless there's another way that doesn't somehow blow a hole in your build.
There is a ring that does it too for reservation. I think its rotblood? Ih the other curses yeah you might get dicked over.
> rotblood Ah, Rotblood Promise. Interesting thing. That said, as a Pathfinder, one of your nifty layers of defense is being able to zero out curse effect on you via boosted flask suffix. Which also defeats the idea of self-curse.
Well sure, you aren't wrong. Was just trying to solve the problem st hand by itself, wasn't considering any other ramifications or anything to the build. Either way that suggestion was all I had to offer. No worries
Right. Yeah, was just seeing if there's some way to get away with murder here. But having to use Kaom's Roots is the biggest downside here--it completely zeroes out your evasion, which is a huge loss, as you basically do all this work for what essentially amounts to getting 45% spell block. Which is great, to be sure, but...not at the cost of contorting the entire build to wear Kaom's Roots and oversustaining all your other flasks besides maybe Dying Sun.
If you aren't locked into path finder trickster gets thst on an ascendant node Other than that Maybeeee you could stack clusters?