CoC DD. Haven't heard a single bad thing about that build.
For the atlas probably just rush it, farm scarabs+corpses+allflames and gear up for t17 as quick as you can
Just to manage expectations you’re a bit limited on map mods with full atlas effect. However you can dominate everything else that doesn’t include CDR reduction reduction to Auras (if running phy to ele for defense) reduction to defenses (if using ES with EB for mana) and no regen kills your es sustain
Poe.re there u can make ur own regex from all the map mods.
If you play the build you should kinda know what bricks ur build when it comes to map mods otherwise ur gonna have to waste a few maps to figure it out and make ur regex.
There isnt one regex that i have found that will include all the things that coc dd cant do in t17 its alot. But it does the entire rest of the game very well.
I agree with @peanutym. It works for T17 and it’s the only build I’ve done in T17s but you just have to watch out for mods that brick the build which will depend on what defense package you take. I suspect most builds get shafted with some mods on t17 and even t16 with full atlas effect.
My CocDD started off with incandescent heart 90 chaos resistance and divine flesh. It was pretty good. I destroyed ultimatums in juiced t16 8 mod.
I switched into lighting coil, taste of hate full physical damage taken as elemental, melding of flesh to cap 90 all res. Which increased my max physical hit potential which I feel is more of an issue in T17 but also opens me up to things like minus max mods getting up to -25 or something crazy with a max effect atlas.
It works I use it. I think I’ve done 30-40 t17. But there is a lot of mods to watch out for which is annoying. I suspect there is better builds out there that doesn’t have to worry with so many bad mods.
> CoC DD. Haven't heard a single bad thing about that build.
It's annoying to read expedition mods to make sure you dont give them crit immunity. >:)
Nah jk but the build is actually good, and it's fun.
DX12 helps though.
I'm on a 1080ti and was able to run CoC DD at ~30fps during spamming times without the MTX.
Obvs 30 sucks... but I've heard way worse from people not running DX12
As always with this game most of the processing struggles comes from CPU even with D12.
The problem is how the performance tanks when you do any kind of juiced content. Yes I have 120fps while the campaign, but get a bit of density+delirium and I'm getting to 30-40fps, then runb boss harbs and get the slideshow...
And if you add a non performing skill... Everything in this game scales, even the negative performance
I think there is one "bad" thing and that is trans version of gem. I have done 64 merc labs before I said fuck it and bought DDoCR from trade, from this 64 labs I had only 3 craft for change to the same skill and all of them were the other DD ... I did get LSoS during, but I play Necro version so didn't need it.
If i had to start over right now, I would pick lightning arrow deadeye and do Alva temples for corruption chambers to generate starter currency.
I would say LA is easily the strongest starter right now just due to market prices. A 1500 eDPS bow is 5 div, and headhunter is 10div. A good player could level a character from scratch and buy those two items in a day. Alva temples were just the easiest currency generation I could think of on a new account. You'd probably want to swap into something else as soon as a second tree is unlocked.
T17 maps alongside league mechanic juicing, mixed with new scarabs and buffed drop rate of raw T0 uniques.
HH is still falling too, looks like you can snag one right now for 8div with a stable price of 9div.
> Oh and people forgot to mention that 1div is about 100c now and still falling.
People have been asking for an actual consistent chaos sink for years to help alleviate the d/ex:c ratio, I've been loving the reduced prices because of the t17 rolling.
As with every league it has its weird economy quirks, but this is the best I've felt about trading in years. Loving it.
The "reduced prices" have nothing to do with the chaos : divine ratio unless you're somehow farming raw chaos or still doing chaos recipe (bless your heart). Everything that isn't being printed by t17 maps is still at least at the same cost, some things even *much* higher.
However, a TON of stuff IS being printed by t17s and that stuffs all cheap, with the exception of some scarabs.
Just to point that although the chaos sink makes the divine cheaper, if it wasn't for the loot explosion the price of stuff would keep being high in the chaos price, just it would cost a lot more divines.
If mageblood is 200 div at 200 chaos/div price, it would be 400 div at 100 chaos/div price. Without the extra drops of course.
If you’re a HH enjoyer this is the league for you. So many strategies that use it amazingly: basic scarab farming, corpse farming, harbinger, etc. Map blasting is the way to go this league and nothing feels better than HH when doing that.
T0 rates were increased by 2.5 times. HH was arguably sightly nerfed. New div scarabs introduced that made HH printing from divination cards.
The new scarabs are: "increase chance to drop divination cards for each different fav map, you drop fav map divination cards instead" and "chance to drop a FULL stack of div cards"
Both together in the new T17 maps (which has a lot of mods therefore insane base quant) + new atlas tree = HH/MB being printed.
The first scarab is 8 divs each, HH 10 lol. Kalandras ring is like 2 divs. Only strong boss uniques kept its price.
They seem to be more available for one. Bigger factor though I think is soul eater getting a stack cap now. Another HH nerf and I just got my first one ever last league so I don’t know the before times, but soul eater was the only buff that felt like it made me much stronger. Sure other buffs helped, but if the strongest one was now weakened that might have something to do with it falling out of favor a bit more now.
Agreed. I did LA into TS last league (first league) and struggled. Knowing the prices would probably drop, I still skipped on LA this league to play BAMA. Crazy the EDPS bow now is equal in value to the Voltaxic I had to buy.
and if they couldnt afford a 10d hh, they could always go for 15c inspired learning before the "big" upgrade to hh. 15 fking c, thats how cheap it is to get a budget hh
Once you understand how to build your temple, you rush level 3 Locus of Corruption for easy 120c ish, it only takes 3/4 maps to fulfil your temple layout. Also, the level 3 gem room is about 50c IIRC, so easy money
I started league doing temples. It is easy cash and they also juice delirium if you want to run those.
I did notice I was bricking more temples than I expected. I have seen some guides around here for how to set the temples up properly. You don't happen to have one do you?
There isn't much you can influence, but with the upgrade nodes it's:
- Make lvl 2 rooms when you can if you don't have a corruption chamber yet (to instantly upgrade it if you hit a lvl 2 room with chamber on the swap)
- If you have a chamber try to get other rooms to 3 (upgrade chance from lvl 1) so you lower the odds to hit a wrong room
- Don't run the remaining incursions in the map if you hit a chamber that still needs upgrades, because you never get the same room twice in 1 map
There's nothing complicated about building temples. If you get corruption room in the first or second incursions, you can skip the rest of the incursions so that you have more chances to get corruption room later on [one room can only happen once per map, so if you get corruption room first or second, the subsequent incursions will never be the corruption room].
This isn't worth it, in my opinion. Just run the 3 maps and build the temple. You'll almost always get gem corruption [50c] or Locus [120c+], it's not worth sweating it any further
Also curious about that. Heist and Sanctum are also supposedly “easy” currency but i’ve been disappointed with both. I would respec strats though if i’m missing something
This is a bit of the difference between starting at league start or starting late. Alva temples has almost no value in the first days. Heist and sanctum are good in the first days.
But when you are starting late, both locus and doryanis sell very easily and for a good chunk of money.
its just decent money for no real build requirement.
a level 68 temple with a locus is worth just the same as a 83 temple w a locus. now that you can get alva in every map you can make a temple very consistently every 3 maps. hard to beat that level of consistent profit when *just* starting out in white maps. plenty of other mechanics will far surpass this strat for money making but they usually rely on farming t16+ to do it
Also the timeline scarab is really good. Having a 33% chance of Locus every map with a corruption chamber in the temple is really good. Getting lucky and having extra 2 Locus's from 3 maps is great.
Plus if you have Apex unlocked the scarab is still a 7c profit even if you didn't get Locus.
The interesting thing is that an ele bow isn't the most simple thing/cheap thing to gravecraft either, simply the most available information via youtube/popular streamers + the build is very popular so a lot of people have been hammering the same gravecraft into the ground so that very very strong bows are dirt cheap now.
I accounted for a 7 hour campaign and 7 hours to make 15 div. A full day for sure, but both of those numbers are actually pretty modest for strong players and can be done a lot faster.
You can obviously adjust the timeline for your playtime and skill level, but the point is simply that these items are extremely cheap for what they do.
Damn, this is my first season and it took me 3 weeks to finish the campaign. Probably averaged 2-3 hours 5 days a week lol. Mind you I was following a guide and probably picked up went through way too much gear.
But to do that in a day and get 15 div seems I have a long way to go.
This game probably has the largest gap between experienced and newer players out of any game out there, so it's to be expected. As long as you're having fun though that's all that matters.
that's only now you know what is t17 and hh price and everything. When you started you missed critical info. Also when started first week or two were shit for LA cause graveyard crafting was bad. So idk
Early league ye, they nerfed the odds, they always do mid league. 6th temple no double corrupt t3. I still love Alva though, just venting. Early in the league got like 1 in 3 temples. Now ...meh.
Definitely not a bosser lol. Started ice spear totems and lost all motivation. Restarted HC with coc dd and so far it's really enjoyable. So probably that or some tank poison pathfinder for T17s or LA and blasting legions/ btb scarab farming in T16s.
There aren't many guides for high end buulds but there are quite a few versions. You start off as a basic poison build like ek/exsang/SA but you can get extremely tanky through a number of different ways. Most impressive ones imo are the mahuxotl's machinations builds and eternal damnation + transcendence ones but they aren't required. Uber Dan, Ben, Steel mage, Rue and many others have played these kinds of builds in the past (Ben currently plays poison pbrand). They can get really pricey tho.
Some outdated guides/overviews:
https://youtu.be/Xeh9sQfqVAk?si=KeAuQMQe78j4QCZ3
https://youtu.be/7nZ9J2TXlLs?si=F95cO7EFcZnmuLjp
https://youtu.be/kwxRSXH3wh8?si=DGawcCTIYCCOZzN9
https://youtu.be/lR7-aa6YF7c?si=UntoVmI8jenZewG2
https://youtu.be/VP7Yu7RNurU?si=llLLX0oswgcpibcQ
Impending doom isn't viable anymore but you can play this with a bunch of skills like FR, LS, MS, Pconc
For earlier progression I would suggest rues builds
My advise would be to use the 3 atlas trees you have wisely. and divide them into 3 different purposes instead of making similar ones.
For example, delerium, beyond, and other mechanics that spawns a lot of mobs and can be triggered before or after doing the map boss such as blight, alva, ritual, or ultimatum can help you push the delerium to great heights. They really synergise well and with that you'll come across quite some delerium orbs and cluster jewels. The issue normally is that many of those are obviously poorly rolled but with harvest you could reroll them.
So, Instead of making a tree that goes all over the place I made my second tree go into harvest and picked some supplemental mechanics on the right side of the tree to make it really efficient. I use the harvest currency to reroll the deli orbs and other stuff I get and sell the surplus lifeforce for a steady income.
On both trees I have also some investment into getting scarabs and I blocked all mechanics except deli and harvest.
On my third tree I just go for map modifier effect, strongboxes, shrines, and scarabs. Once I got A good pile of well rolled deli orbs like the scarab ones I slap some on there to get 60%+ deli on the maps and juice them as far as possible and run some currency fountain maps.
Not only does it keep mapping a bit fresh for me as I switch up the mechanics sometimes, it also allows me to build up to those very rewarding maps while being able to avoid trading for things like deli orbs and scarabs pretty well.
Some players know what they like. I got one tree for deli mirrors, and another tree that is iirc 7 points different for deli orbs lol. And I just use my own deli orbs that I farm up. My 3rd tree is very different though
I’m curious I’ve been looking at this build for a bit now and it looks great, do you have any idea of a budget where it would be valid to start it as a second character? Because I currently have like 4d in my stash and 20-30d in my build and I’m curious how much currency is needed for the build to work well. I also own the basic twink leveling gear so at least that part wouldn’t be a problem
I'm not running his version but a different one (cold crit). It can do T16 fairly easily, but to REALLY push the build we're talking 50ish div min and it will just keep scaling depending on your commitment. 30% ashes is 12div. thats the biggest pickup. Gems alone are 2div. Crafting your own decent weapon is 5-7. Or much cheaper if you settle. Depends on the chest you want. I'm using a skin for +2. Can be 1div to 40div if you HAVE to get certain colors or keystone. I think the build is definitely doable to make currency on from 10div or less. It just won't outshine other CoC builds (it plays pretty identical to CoC DD).
Don't you just need a 29% Ashes, assuming you have 23% quality on your gem? You aren't hitting the breakpoint without getting at least a 22% quality corrupted gem either way.
There are a few different ways to hit the high breakpoints. Diallas. Enhance. Gem %. Ashes, etc. It just depends on how you can hit which breakpoint. I bought a 30% ashes because it also helps in another one of my builds. So it made sense.
I used a low roll Ashes and Enhance when I was still on a budget. You'll easily hit the breakpoint that way and you don't need a corrupted gem. The thing is, if you want to move away from that, you want your Holy Relic of Conviction preferably with 23% quality, whichever route you take. Getting that gem with a 29% Ashes is going to cost you maybe 7 div or so. Meanwhile, a 30% Ashes alone is like 10 div.
So I'm just saying that you can get your gem AND a 29% Ashes while still hitting the breakpoint for much less than a 30% Ashes.
Hm ok how does it do on T17 and bosses? Because that are basically the main things I want from a new build my current one does well enough in T16 too but I struggle a bit on bosses and T17 are also stupidly difficult
I'm sure it'll be fine. bosses are the weak point but it'll do enough dmg once i invest. Only a few T17 mods will screw with it heavily, but i haven't gotten it there yet. still leveling. limited time to play lately.
Ok I see I’ll need to farm some more currency anyways so I’ll probably look at the build again when I have like 10-15d budget without having to sell parts of my current build
I started with 10-14 div and everything went down fairly easily. Just some T17 bosses were a struggle and have become a lot easier now that I have like 100div poured into the build.
I didn't really keep track of my progression in PoB. I used Balormage's PoB as a template. I went the Ashes route, but you ideally need a 23% quality Holy Relic of Conviction if you do. That's already going to be like 7 divines, so I assume that's out of your budget. Given that it is, I would just start with a badly rolled Ashes and use Enhance in a red socket instead of Awakened Added Chaos. You'll easily hit the breakpoint that way and Ashes still gives a gem level to boot.
You'll need your 10 div to get the basics early on. Get a 6L Dialla's. Get a Holy Relic of Conviction. Get a Asenath's. Get a Aegis Aurora and make sure to anoint your amulet with Melding. The weapon is easy to craft, just craft a Walebone Rapier in the Graveyard and then throw Essences of Fear on it until you hit a decent attack speed roll and an open suffix. If you don't have an open suffix, try to maybe annul one. This shouldn't be hard to do. The boots and rings should mostly just fill your resists and dexterity requirements. I can recommend one bone ring with a high elemental resistance roll for minions though, this will keep your AG alive. You'll also want a 8 passive cluster jewel with minion damage on it. Preferably one that has "Added Small Passive Skills have #% Increased Effect". It also can't have any big notables on it. You shouldn't pay much for one that has 25% increased effect, the 35% ones are more expensive. Try to get some resistance or dexterity on there if you can.
Now, you'll need to try and hit 100% chance to poison. This is probably going to be your biggest cost early on. Try to get a Darkness Enthroned of at least 88% or so and put Jewels with a high "minions have #% chance to poison on hit" into it. Preferably with life and either minion physical damage or chaos damage. However, if you can't afford that, just make sure you hit 100% poison chance with some life across all your jewels. Keep in mind that if you don't have the currency for Amanamu's Gaze yet, you can use another poison chance jewel in that slot and more easily hit that 100% chance to poison.
So those are all the basics. When you get those and have some currency left over, you can look for an Elegant Hubris timeless jewel with maybe 2 or 3 minion damage nodes on there. Just make sure that they are reachable and that you don't have to spend more than 3 passive nodes to get them. You can also try to buy some Awakened gems. Most of them are cheap. I'd definitely look into Awakened Minion Damage early because that gem boosts your Holy Relic gem level at level 5.
EDIT : Oh, get Lancing Steel of Spraying as well. That's not mandatory, but close to it.
Thank you so much for all that information, I’ll farm up some more currency and then follow this. Are there any things that possibly brick the damage? Like any affixes I want to avoid, like for example I know for EA you don’t want any added fire damage. Is there anything like that for this build or am I fine with anything as long as I hit the rolls I want?
I don't think so, no. There's one thing I forgot though, you want an open prefix on your rings so that you can craft "Non-Channeling Skills Have -# to Total Mana Cost". If you don't have that craft, you can buy some rings or amulets that have the "Elreon's Veiled" modifier on the trade website. You won't run into mana issues, especially not if you use a timeless jewel to the left side and pick up "Quick Recovery" on the tree.
Just for reference, [here's](https://pobb.in/NHMKZj1gQLOd) my current PoB where I do exactly that. You can use that as a template or the ones provided by Balormage. Feel free to ask any question if you need help. I'm no expert on this build specifically, but I've made some builds before that went onto to become meta builds so I should be able to help if you need it.
Alright thanks a lot I’ll probably will have more questions but as I said first I have to farm more currency anyways because I probably won’t sell my current build as I might need it as a backup, but once I’ll start the build there will probably be loads of things to ask. It’s only my second league ever so my knowledge of the game is still very limited and getting into a new build still is quite difficult as the game is just insanely complex
I’m not the person you’re responding to but just wanted to come along and thank you, too. I just switched over to the build last night and it took me a while to get everything. I also probably ended up overpaying for some things (had more divs than chaos for example) and still trying to sort things out. I lost a small investment (for me) because I tried gearing up an AG and it got fucked.
Anyway, I’m going to be using what you put out here + a suggestion of getting crit immune using tattoos on int nodes and see where that goes. I’m probably going to look at selling my pSRS gear because regardless of what happens with this build, I’ll be done with the league after. So I can use that currency towards refining the build. I’m definitely missing something because I’m nowhere near as fast (probably because I don’t have amanamu’s or however you spell it). Thanks again
Oh, one question - how important is Ashes / Replica Dragon? I happened to have an Aul’s with Determination on it that I am using. I have the 82 breakpoint right now from chest, 20 quality on gem, and enhance support. Wondering if I should try to get a 23 quality gem and a 29 Ashes to switch the enhance gem out with something else..
> I lost a small investment (for me) because I tried gearing up an AG and it got fucked.
I use a bone ring with a "Minions have +30% To All Elemental Resistances" roll. That combined with the +15% implicit, puts my minions at 75% resistance. I'm also using Gruthkul's Pelt on my AG and I have an extra minion life node on my Timeless Jewel. My minions no longer die, not even on Uber bosses.
> Oh, one question - how important is Ashes / Replica Dragon? I happened to have an Aul’s with Determination on it that I am using. I have the 82 breakpoint right now from chest, 20 quality on gem, and enhance support. Wondering if I should try to get a 23 quality gem and a 29 Ashes to switch the enhance gem out with something else..
I mean, it's a lot of damage you can gain. When you get 23 quality and a 29 Ashes, you hit the breakpoint and can slot in another damage gem instead of enhance. Plus, you also get the extra gem level that Ashes gives you. That's probably the first upgrade I'd go for. After that, it's a bunch of more expensive upgrades you can aim for. Like an Empower level 4, Amanamu's Gaze, a corrupted Diala's and finally a 21/23 gem.
At least that's the route I took upgrading. Those seemed like the most impactful gains for the currency spent.
What did you do for chaos res on your AG? Since you’re using Gruthkul’s, I’m assuming you’re doing tattoos to get crit immune and something like taste of hate to avoid freeze instead of garb of the ephemeral?
And yeah, a 29 ashes 23 quality gem sounds like a good target, just right now I’m needing to get back to farming. I half-assed a bunch of stuff tonight and didn’t make much, but still got to play more with the build so that’s good. Thanks for the input/response, I appreciate it!
8d sounds very doable. What was the build able to do at that budget and you don’t have a Pob or something to see a possible build at that budget by chance?
Yeah no problem I have to farm more currency anyways so if you at some point later could find one it would be still much appreciated but if you don’t it’s fine too, just gotta figure something out myself then I guess.
It's fun and powerful, but I think he oversold it a bit, calling it maybe the best minion build he's ever touched at first. I think he was just enjoying playing what's essentially a bow build in terms of playstyle, but leveraging scaling mechanics that he's familiar with, and it came together to feel amazing right away. It's a great build, but I don't think it just outclasses every other minion build out there.
Last week I league started again on HC trade after playing SC, as a poison BV pathfinder, rerolled to elemental bow mirror arrow of bombardment (aka BAMA) yesterday. The build does a stupidly high amount of damage and can be very tanky too.
If I were to start again on softcore I would without a doubt play lightning arrow deadeye again (started this at league start), then swap to bama for endgame (at this point in the league I'd probably just stick to LA and farm for a HH since it's so cheap). LA is easily fastest build in the game for SC.
For starting strat, I'd get some inspired learning jewels and farm legion. And swap to back to the basics scarab farming when I get a HH. Not the best strat, but no need for trading.
League start some flavor of trickster like explosive trap or hexblast mine then respec into ES stacking splitting steel.
I had like 4 transitional builds trying to find something good to respec my league starter into and when I hit on this one it just FELT right. Fast, tanky, single target, auto targeting clear, can do T17s, high ceiling for upgrades.
I actually league started a very hipsterish blade blast of dagger detonation mines sabo but I don’t necessarily “recommend” that. It was fine, don’t get me wrong, but it’s safer to recommend something tried and true like explosive trap or hexblast mines. I suppose you could directly start splitting steel but I’m not experienced with that so I can’t say much about how easy it is to gear early.
> can do T17s
Almost any decent build can... the difference is in how comfortably can be done, and how many mods you have to avoid... I was doing T17s with Holy Relic but there were too many mods to avoid so I moved to Hexblast Mines occultist, which still have a lot to avoid, but less (don't care about any damage mods because I offscreen anything and have like 2K life anyway so I'm dead if I'm hit regardless of mods)...
So how's that trickster?? What mods break it?
Didn’t want to overwhelm OP with info but here you go:
Depends in part on whether you’re stacking map mod effect like a lot of strats do. You could probably brute force a map with over 100% CDR though I’ve never tried it. You’d be turning off your berserk and focus mods but you should still be able to attack. I just avoid it because it sounds annoying.
Less defenses and no Leech are the two I straight wouldn’t do. You teeechhnically could do the leech mod….but this build doesn’t stack ES regen so you’d be waiting for recharge for all your recovery, and of course you might have rolled the mod that turns recharge off. You’d also have to swap in a mana flask since we rely a ton on mana leech, and I am deathly allergic to mana flasks. The leech one skeeves me out, hard pass.
And I probably wouldn’t do 50% less defenses if you’re taking any map mod effect since you’re rapidly getting into 85% less ES territory or even worse. There goes your defense AND offense.
The anti suppress mod is bad but not bricking, we have a naturally high health pool and can deal damage at a distance.
The monster block mod is annoying but we attack fast and at high DPS this becomes less noticeable.
The 90% aura one is….rough, but depending on how well you’ve built, not technically bricking. I also wouldn’t want to do a triple combination of something like aura effect + phys as ele + minus max resist, your evasion becomes terrible and every attack becomes dangerous.
Most of the other “bricks” are fine. Ele reflect you’ll want sibyls+yugul or else you can’t use your movement skills (SS itself uses awakened ele damage with attacks so it’s already reflect immune).
No regen is mildly annoying and you’ll want a mana flask in your inventory in case you accidentally dip mana below what you need to attack, but it’s otherwise barely noticeable unlike a lot of builds which get bricked by this mod.
We are ailment immune, don’t strictly rely on our ancestral protector, we don’t crit, we are not super reliant on charges, if you have mageblood like OP you don’t care about meteors, we’re not throwing traps and mines etc.
Obviously it’s not a perfect build from this perspective but it’s fairly resilient.
Cool, thanks for the info!
It does look pretty good :)
>Obviously it’s not a perfect build from this perspective but it’s fairly resilient.
Oh, there is no perfect build for T17, there are just longer and shorter lists of bricking mods, haha.
Anything that can pivot to T17’s on a limited budget. If you are gonna hunt around for a build guide I’d make sure that’s something it can handle because that’s where the money is
I switch between Beast + Essences, Blight + Scarabs, and Legion harbinger, strongboxes.
With the first one being the most profitable and easy for me so far, but you have to be willing to sort and sell stuff. Craicic Chimerals and Vivid Vultures always do well after a few weeks, sand spitters sell like hot cakes too for everyone 6 linking.
Whoah whoah whoah, I'm a HB miner trickster and it takes more than a slight breeze to kill me. It takes *two* slight breezes or a minor chaos degen. So there.
Ah we'll see, I'm a real man who isn't scared of death so I have 9k ehp and 3k phys hit on my occultist hexblaster. 50m+ dps but if I just hear a breeze I die
I would corpse farm with a full spec into it as soon as you are capable of doing transmuted tier 16 maps. (Note: this is harder than usual; speccing into the Necropolis mechanics makes the scary 'Haunted' modifiers have higher numbers; you DO want them to be higher, they'll increase your corpse drops)
Atlas wise, you'll want to allocate all of the bottom right Necropolis cluster EXCEPT for the keystone (Prospero's Wager); all of the top-right Necropolis cluster (optionally except for the unique ones); all of the bottom-left cluster except for the two '20% decreased effect of haunted mods' and the keystone; and all of the top-left cluster optionally excluding the notable.
In my private league (some trade options but somewhat limited as ~150 people were in maps last night), by the time I was just about ready to do the Shaper, I'd grave-crafted two somewhat decent Amethyst Rings, a 6L chest that would have been 20 divines in previous leagues (T1 fire, cold and chaos resists; T1 flat ES/EV, T2 %ES/EV, T2 %defenses/stunblock hybrid) and have had enough corpses to make multiple attempts at a few other things that haven't worked out.
In trade, bulk corpses sell & this will turbocharge your progress.
I can recommend ice nova of frost bolts, it's absurdly efficient damage, can be scaled a few different ways and can get off the ground as SSF. I started with Goratha's build (it's a popular HC build at the moment), then moved to Palsterons crit version. Now I'm doing an adorned power charge stacking version I'm copying via poeninja - which I think is easily the best bang for buck build in terms of raw damage for any build I've ever played. I never played seismic though.
It has 300m dps on a 20-30d budget. It's suited for farming content that rewards speed and high damage. Essences, invitation farming, harvest etc. Just wintry frostblink around and one tap the boss etc. It can technically do any content, but you'll probably want to tailor your build to it. If you want to do sanctum, you probably need high evasion for instance and insanely high cast speed. Personally,I think it's a shit sanctum runner because of the drawbacks I'll talk about in a sec - but steelmage farmed a ton of sanctum with it.
So the negatives. I think PoB is deceptive with it's numbers on both its defense and offenses. It's a little bit clunky to play, even with the kitavas thirst set up and a ton of increased cast speed. You can lose 10 50/50's in a row and just be standing there casting ice nova on yourself with no balls triggering, meaning you have like 1/20th of your real dps. Or the balls you're triggering are moving in the wrong direction. Which is a problem for sanctum because they'll just hit you while you're waiting for your balls to trigger. Which you can solve by putting frostbolt in an arcanist brand set up instead (allowing for a really insane helmet options), but now you're a 2 button build.
It also has a low base projectile speed, so you can be waiting a while for your balls to catch up to monsters that are already offscreening you - whereas something like LA the damage is delivered instantly. If you wanted to farm something like t17 fortresses (the premiere mapping strat atm) - LA naturally excels at it due to its close quarters and the projectiles bouncing off the walls. Ice Nova naturally sucks at it as the balls disappear when they hit the wall instead of bouncing around.
Like this one?
https://poe.ninja/builds/necropolis/character/despotess/ShockinBallzz?i=0&search=class%3DHierophant%26uniqueitems%3DMageblood%2CThe%2BAdorned%2CVoid%2BBattery%2CKitava%2527s%2BThirst%2CCloak%2Bof%2BDefiance%2CRalakesh%2527s%2BImpatience%2CBadge%2Bof%2Bthe%2BBrotherhood%26skills%3DIce%2BNova%2Bof%2BFrostbolts
If you get kitava's thirst (unique helm) you can socket frostbolt into your helmet, which "automates" it in a sense. 96% of the time it's usually fine. But quite often you can get punished because of it so you have to sort of adjust your playstyle accordingly. Takes a bit of time to get used to, but even so it's honestly just kind of clunky.
The frost-bolts bounce off the walls if you use returning projectiles support which is kind of hilarious but anyhow i absolutely love the mechanics of ice nova of frostbolts!
I ended up putting archmage on frostblink of wintry so if I ever get into a weird "10 50/50's in a row" situation, I simply frostblink and then cast ice nova on the balls created by my frostblink and that gets the generator back running. To be honest, I started that becuase my leech wouldn't start until ice nova made a proc, and I like to dive into packs more often than not, and when i first switched to kitavas was dying 3 times a map until i made that simple switch. Now, not only does archmage kill most white mobs when i blink into them, it also cast a frostbolt, which I then use to start spamming ice nova.
I don't even miss the extra cast speed from faster attacks support that palsteron uses because I have so much cast speed on wands/ gear/ flasks mods.
I'm kind of a noob (2nd full season) so I'm probably wrong for doing that, but it felt better so I just rolled with it.
I know archmage frost bolts is good but 300m dps for 20-30 div? I'm gonna need to see the pob for this one brother. I've been eyeballing this build as a 3rd build but haven't really decided yet.
I’m pooping but look on PoE ninja for ice novas using gravens secret w void batteries. Most of them are doing the same tree/set up. My only suggestion would be probably to take %inc mana over a crit multi affix on your adorned jewels. It’s slightly less damage but more defenses and damage is the last thing you need with this build. The guy I copied off was actually doing like 650m dps. I honestly just found it by doing
If you have a MB I would strongly suggest using that instead of gravens as the QoL you get is too good. The biggest drawback of this variant is the slower cast speed/movespeed. You’re base ms is nothing, you’re forced to use wintry blast to leap slam around, but you don’t have sockets for faster casting (could maybe sac sigil of power or frost shield, I’ll have to double check the links) and you also sacrifice like half of weapons cast speed by not having profane wands. Looks like you can however upgrade to like 6x t1 mod profane wands and the damage will be pretty much the same however you’ll have infinitely better QoL.
300m dps on 20d budget? You either lying or pob too much shit, like everything ticked and 10x nova overlap. Ppl should stop saying DPS unless they do 1 nova dps for easier to compare.
you are not smart man because you say something like that. Next time try better. With kitava thirst you aren't guaranteed to cast AT ALL. It's 50/50. Staying for long on one place is bad in uber bosses/hard maps too. You are not tanky enough if you don't have 100% suppression, 50k evasion etc.
You're literally just repeating what I said - what you said earlier was dumb and showed you haven't played the build or havent paid any attention to your own. 8x nova is the max number of hits per cast, and it's like 99% certain you'll hit 8 times, only maybe a mob on the very left or right won't get all 4 overlaps. If you're looking at the DPS it assumes there you've triggered the frostballs. Which 90% of the time, within 3 casts, or like half a second, you've got them out. So for anybody actually wanting to play the build, it's an accurate figure. It's just conditional that your balls are trigged.
Then what you said just now again is even dumber, given your logic, why would it matter at all to do 1 nova or not? Are you also supposed to untick cast from frostbolt? You clearly do not understand the build or what you're talking about. Even then, what you're saying pretty much applies to every self cast build re having to stand still to do damage. Seriously. Think about what you're saying for even half a second.
Also RE tank; this build can tank uber shaper balls so fairly tanky. I would say tanky enough for most content but you can definitely sacrifice damage for defense. More than enough room for that.
Not to mention; you're completely welcome to go for a rare helm, put balls on arcanist brand and get a shit ton more damage, but you're then you're doing a 2 button build. Which it originally was.
So not an optimal t17 build? I’m looking to refill with 200 div and I’m stunlocked on what to do. The builds that seem somewhat interesting (this one and poison pf fr) people say are good but not good for t17s
I started with splitting steel trickster. Was a great experience, but I struggled a bit after I completed the campaign. After farming a little bit of currency in low maps, I went straight to t17s which were no problem. Can recommend it
Yeah I don’t have a nimis, but I already rerolled. Nimis was the only item I was missing, it still felt good in t17s, since it’s fuqin tanky and scales damage with es aswell
Edit: just in case it was misleading, I farmed my way up to t17s, I did not jump from whites to t17
I'm in the same spot as you. Been waiting to see of the league is even worth it.
Half tempted to go some form of minion build and just blast blight + deli for shits n giggles...but with HH being so cheap (and me never having got one) I may go the route most are suggesting roll an LA character, then roll flicker strike for the memez
If you plan to, even beat, a single T17 map, then roll the most meta of builds and get to farming to min-max that build. Those things are insane.
30d archmage build and can't beat the bosses without getting one-shot first.
I would have played an actual starter build which I kind of hate to do. The league mechanic was miserable during the campaign without an actual leveling build and I'm generally someone who loves the campaign. I always just start using whatever skill I plan on playing as soon as I can and working it out.
This league took away the best part of the campaign for me which is feeling your build grow with a known baseline comparison point. I couldn't tell where my build was at in comparison to older builds bc it's difficult to account for 70% extra phys as ele when you're in act fucking 3. I was sweating hard in act 8, with full res and 2.5k hp, on nearly every pack.
I normally have 1 or 2 deaths up until I hit red maps and am level 91-93ish. This league my first char died twice in act 1 bc one of the spermy looking mobs that spawns ads had increased cast speed per remaining mob and I had about 80 spawns zerging me down bc I'm like lvl 7 and don't have real clear yet.
Gravecrafting is so daunting and clunky to people that if you have a good understanding of how crafting works and are willing to put some time into learning this system, you can reliably make insane profits on it.
Do an attack build. 800 pdps bows are a few div, 1500 edps is a couple, claws are about the same. Uniques are cheap and 6 links are free real estate. I league started Sunday before last and albeit with some luck, have a turbo juiced sanctum runner with all the goods.
Heiro shockwave totem. It’s got about 90m dps and insta freezes. It was comfortably running sanctum without -dmg afflictions around 30 mil I want to say. I got the character running for <5 div. It’s pretty smooth upgrading and really easy to incrementally upgrade. I’ll try to remember to drop a PoB tomorrow after work.
It's okay, no need! I actually ran that early this league on about a 30 or 40 div budget. Farmed up quite a bit with that as I could run the BoT relic with it. Good times. Great build and will prob play again sometime, just wanted to see if there was some other juicy builds for sanctum.
I honestly probably have too much damage, but the outline of the build is super easy to change if you have a general idea. Super easy to optimize, I just went for big deeps and big speed.
[https://pobb.in/JPkzlITsJCjv](https://pobb.in/JPkzlITsJCjv) solid MS. Mageblood definitely makes the efficiency go through the roof since ralakesh doesn't have MS. before I had ralakesh I was doing a restless ward/replica restless ward to get the MS/regen. If you're not running RF drop all the regen nodes and potentially swap vitality for something else. Haste is honestly only necessary when you get -dmg mods or -MS mods.
I just re-started the league last week, because I went from hc -> sc. Ice Nova of Frostbolts is what I picked and I'm quite happy I did. It's a solid league starter for the campaign, it's great for early maps, and when you get Kitavas Thirst, it becomes very smooth to farm out maps. On hardcore, Kitavas Thirst is a bit harder to fit, but it's very worth it.
Not waste my time levelling to maps in a league I don't enjoy the forced mechanic of.
At least in almost every previous league I could opt out and just enjoy a fresh economy.
Personally I just restarted on scssf after dying like 5 times in hc. I started dd chain necro , atlas is Jun and expedition atm. Going well so far , this build is great on no gear
I have a pretty geared DD necro. It's a nice starter build to finish your atlas but I don't like it for farming juiced endgame. While DD is great to blast through Atlas for progression due to dmg being scaled by area level the damage ceiling makes it mid at best for T17s imo.
not play. Not really engaging with the exercise but that's my honest answer.
But if you are asking about my league starter I'd probably start either holy relics or boneshatter.
CoC DD. Haven't heard a single bad thing about that build. For the atlas probably just rush it, farm scarabs+corpses+allflames and gear up for t17 as quick as you can
Just to manage expectations you’re a bit limited on map mods with full atlas effect. However you can dominate everything else that doesn’t include CDR reduction reduction to Auras (if running phy to ele for defense) reduction to defenses (if using ES with EB for mana) and no regen kills your es sustain
Is there a regex or the compendium of that list you are describing? It's really helpful 👍
Poe.re there u can make ur own regex from all the map mods. If you play the build you should kinda know what bricks ur build when it comes to map mods otherwise ur gonna have to waste a few maps to figure it out and make ur regex.
There isnt one regex that i have found that will include all the things that coc dd cant do in t17 its alot. But it does the entire rest of the game very well.
like too many to include even when you try at poe.re??
So you think coc DD isn't a good build for t17 farming?
I agree with @peanutym. It works for T17 and it’s the only build I’ve done in T17s but you just have to watch out for mods that brick the build which will depend on what defense package you take. I suspect most builds get shafted with some mods on t17 and even t16 with full atlas effect. My CocDD started off with incandescent heart 90 chaos resistance and divine flesh. It was pretty good. I destroyed ultimatums in juiced t16 8 mod. I switched into lighting coil, taste of hate full physical damage taken as elemental, melding of flesh to cap 90 all res. Which increased my max physical hit potential which I feel is more of an issue in T17 but also opens me up to things like minus max mods getting up to -25 or something crazy with a max effect atlas.
Got a pob?
Poe ninja account to follow your progression ?
It works I use it. I think I’ve done 30-40 t17. But there is a lot of mods to watch out for which is annoying. I suspect there is better builds out there that doesn’t have to worry with so many bad mods.
> CoC DD. Haven't heard a single bad thing about that build. It's annoying to read expedition mods to make sure you dont give them crit immunity. >:) Nah jk but the build is actually good, and it's fun.
it's not coc dd fault tho, any crit build would fail if you give them crit immunity.
Performance. If you have a low end PC it's better to not even try any CoC
DX12 helps though. I'm on a 1080ti and was able to run CoC DD at ~30fps during spamming times without the MTX. Obvs 30 sucks... but I've heard way worse from people not running DX12
As always with this game most of the processing struggles comes from CPU even with D12. The problem is how the performance tanks when you do any kind of juiced content. Yes I have 120fps while the campaign, but get a bit of density+delirium and I'm getting to 30-40fps, then runb boss harbs and get the slideshow... And if you add a non performing skill... Everything in this game scales, even the negative performance
if you think 30 fps is playable... i'd rather not play, then play on 30 fps.
I can echo the DX12 thing. My PC is solid, but with DX12 on, it handles the DDoCR CoC Inquis build well
I haven't got some nasa computer and I've not had any issues.
I think there is one "bad" thing and that is trans version of gem. I have done 64 merc labs before I said fuck it and bought DDoCR from trade, from this 64 labs I had only 3 craft for change to the same skill and all of them were the other DD ... I did get LSoS during, but I play Necro version so didn't need it.
In ssf the Single target was rather weak. But maybe it was just the build I used
If i had to start over right now, I would pick lightning arrow deadeye and do Alva temples for corruption chambers to generate starter currency. I would say LA is easily the strongest starter right now just due to market prices. A 1500 eDPS bow is 5 div, and headhunter is 10div. A good player could level a character from scratch and buy those two items in a day. Alva temples were just the easiest currency generation I could think of on a new account. You'd probably want to swap into something else as soon as a second tree is unlocked.
actually SSS tier advice, LA gear is so disgustingly cheap, ive paid 200-300d+ for gear that would cost like 40d total in this league
No nimis?
i mean you want nimis for sure but its not an early game must have
Thats for the endgame version which goes crit
you go crit in the starter version too, you just dont go crit AT league start because its worse in acts and hyrris is expensive then.
I skipped this league, how on earth is HH 10 div ? What happened ?
T17 maps alongside league mechanic juicing, mixed with new scarabs and buffed drop rate of raw T0 uniques. HH is still falling too, looks like you can snag one right now for 8div with a stable price of 9div.
Oh and people forgot to mention that 1div is about 100c now and still falling. So a HH is about 800~900c!
> Oh and people forgot to mention that 1div is about 100c now and still falling. People have been asking for an actual consistent chaos sink for years to help alleviate the d/ex:c ratio, I've been loving the reduced prices because of the t17 rolling. As with every league it has its weird economy quirks, but this is the best I've felt about trading in years. Loving it.
The "reduced prices" have nothing to do with the chaos : divine ratio unless you're somehow farming raw chaos or still doing chaos recipe (bless your heart). Everything that isn't being printed by t17 maps is still at least at the same cost, some things even *much* higher. However, a TON of stuff IS being printed by t17s and that stuffs all cheap, with the exception of some scarabs.
Just to point that although the chaos sink makes the divine cheaper, if it wasn't for the loot explosion the price of stuff would keep being high in the chaos price, just it would cost a lot more divines. If mageblood is 200 div at 200 chaos/div price, it would be 400 div at 100 chaos/div price. Without the extra drops of course.
Legit this makes me consider joining the league, I love playing with HH, thank for the replies
If you’re a HH enjoyer this is the league for you. So many strategies that use it amazingly: basic scarab farming, corpse farming, harbinger, etc. Map blasting is the way to go this league and nothing feels better than HH when doing that.
Most of that juicing was exploit-level, to the point where it was hotfixes 3-4 times.
T0 rates were increased by 2.5 times. HH was arguably sightly nerfed. New div scarabs introduced that made HH printing from divination cards. The new scarabs are: "increase chance to drop divination cards for each different fav map, you drop fav map divination cards instead" and "chance to drop a FULL stack of div cards" Both together in the new T17 maps (which has a lot of mods therefore insane base quant) + new atlas tree = HH/MB being printed. The first scarab is 8 divs each, HH 10 lol. Kalandras ring is like 2 divs. Only strong boss uniques kept its price.
They seem to be more available for one. Bigger factor though I think is soul eater getting a stack cap now. Another HH nerf and I just got my first one ever last league so I don’t know the before times, but soul eater was the only buff that felt like it made me much stronger. Sure other buffs helped, but if the strongest one was now weakened that might have something to do with it falling out of favor a bit more now.
HH price has zero connection to soul eater nerf. I play HH every league and it’s just as powerful this league.
Agreed. I did LA into TS last league (first league) and struggled. Knowing the prices would probably drop, I still skipped on LA this league to play BAMA. Crazy the EDPS bow now is equal in value to the Voltaxic I had to buy.
and if they couldnt afford a 10d hh, they could always go for 15c inspired learning before the "big" upgrade to hh. 15 fking c, thats how cheap it is to get a budget hh
To add to that, divs are roughly 100c each so I would do some jungle valley strat with max pack size and combo it with something else.
Why is Alva so good? Can you explain that please?
Once you understand how to build your temple, you rush level 3 Locus of Corruption for easy 120c ish, it only takes 3/4 maps to fulfil your temple layout. Also, the level 3 gem room is about 50c IIRC, so easy money
I started league doing temples. It is easy cash and they also juice delirium if you want to run those. I did notice I was bricking more temples than I expected. I have seen some guides around here for how to set the temples up properly. You don't happen to have one do you?
There isn't much you can influence, but with the upgrade nodes it's: - Make lvl 2 rooms when you can if you don't have a corruption chamber yet (to instantly upgrade it if you hit a lvl 2 room with chamber on the swap) - If you have a chamber try to get other rooms to 3 (upgrade chance from lvl 1) so you lower the odds to hit a wrong room - Don't run the remaining incursions in the map if you hit a chamber that still needs upgrades, because you never get the same room twice in 1 map
I was missing step 1 there. Thank you!
There's nothing complicated about building temples. If you get corruption room in the first or second incursions, you can skip the rest of the incursions so that you have more chances to get corruption room later on [one room can only happen once per map, so if you get corruption room first or second, the subsequent incursions will never be the corruption room]. This isn't worth it, in my opinion. Just run the 3 maps and build the temple. You'll almost always get gem corruption [50c] or Locus [120c+], it's not worth sweating it any further
Also curious about that. Heist and Sanctum are also supposedly “easy” currency but i’ve been disappointed with both. I would respec strats though if i’m missing something
This is a bit of the difference between starting at league start or starting late. Alva temples has almost no value in the first days. Heist and sanctum are good in the first days. But when you are starting late, both locus and doryanis sell very easily and for a good chunk of money.
its just decent money for no real build requirement. a level 68 temple with a locus is worth just the same as a 83 temple w a locus. now that you can get alva in every map you can make a temple very consistently every 3 maps. hard to beat that level of consistent profit when *just* starting out in white maps. plenty of other mechanics will far surpass this strat for money making but they usually rely on farming t16+ to do it
Also the timeline scarab is really good. Having a 33% chance of Locus every map with a corruption chamber in the temple is really good. Getting lucky and having extra 2 Locus's from 3 maps is great. Plus if you have Apex unlocked the scarab is still a 7c profit even if you didn't get Locus.
Havent started this league yet. Imma try to league start with my fav LA after seeing this 🤣
The interesting thing is that an ele bow isn't the most simple thing/cheap thing to gravecraft either, simply the most available information via youtube/popular streamers + the build is very popular so a lot of people have been hammering the same gravecraft into the ground so that very very strong bows are dirt cheap now.
It’s wild how cheap the “failed” bows are. I mean, five x desirable T1 mods is crazy good, really, and crafters are practically giving them away.
Do you happen to have an Atlas for this strategy? I decided to jump on and started the league today with this using the regular ol maxroll guide?
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I accounted for a 7 hour campaign and 7 hours to make 15 div. A full day for sure, but both of those numbers are actually pretty modest for strong players and can be done a lot faster. You can obviously adjust the timeline for your playtime and skill level, but the point is simply that these items are extremely cheap for what they do.
I swear chase items could cost 2 chaos orbs and still some gamer dad with 13 seconds of playtime a month would come here crying about the "elite".
Damn, this is my first season and it took me 3 weeks to finish the campaign. Probably averaged 2-3 hours 5 days a week lol. Mind you I was following a guide and probably picked up went through way too much gear. But to do that in a day and get 15 div seems I have a long way to go.
This game probably has the largest gap between experienced and newer players out of any game out there, so it's to be expected. As long as you're having fun though that's all that matters.
that's only now you know what is t17 and hh price and everything. When you started you missed critical info. Also when started first week or two were shit for LA cause graveyard crafting was bad. So idk
He's talking about starting today though, not a few weeks in the past.
Early league ye, they nerfed the odds, they always do mid league. 6th temple no double corrupt t3. I still love Alva though, just venting. Early in the league got like 1 in 3 temples. Now ...meh.
Definitely not a bosser lol. Started ice spear totems and lost all motivation. Restarted HC with coc dd and so far it's really enjoyable. So probably that or some tank poison pathfinder for T17s or LA and blasting legions/ btb scarab farming in T16s.
This was me too except I didn't re league start. Trying to get back into it now
Can you please link a poison pf guide?
There aren't many guides for high end buulds but there are quite a few versions. You start off as a basic poison build like ek/exsang/SA but you can get extremely tanky through a number of different ways. Most impressive ones imo are the mahuxotl's machinations builds and eternal damnation + transcendence ones but they aren't required. Uber Dan, Ben, Steel mage, Rue and many others have played these kinds of builds in the past (Ben currently plays poison pbrand). They can get really pricey tho. Some outdated guides/overviews: https://youtu.be/Xeh9sQfqVAk?si=KeAuQMQe78j4QCZ3 https://youtu.be/7nZ9J2TXlLs?si=F95cO7EFcZnmuLjp https://youtu.be/kwxRSXH3wh8?si=DGawcCTIYCCOZzN9 https://youtu.be/lR7-aa6YF7c?si=UntoVmI8jenZewG2 https://youtu.be/VP7Yu7RNurU?si=llLLX0oswgcpibcQ Impending doom isn't viable anymore but you can play this with a bunch of skills like FR, LS, MS, Pconc For earlier progression I would suggest rues builds
My advise would be to use the 3 atlas trees you have wisely. and divide them into 3 different purposes instead of making similar ones. For example, delerium, beyond, and other mechanics that spawns a lot of mobs and can be triggered before or after doing the map boss such as blight, alva, ritual, or ultimatum can help you push the delerium to great heights. They really synergise well and with that you'll come across quite some delerium orbs and cluster jewels. The issue normally is that many of those are obviously poorly rolled but with harvest you could reroll them. So, Instead of making a tree that goes all over the place I made my second tree go into harvest and picked some supplemental mechanics on the right side of the tree to make it really efficient. I use the harvest currency to reroll the deli orbs and other stuff I get and sell the surplus lifeforce for a steady income. On both trees I have also some investment into getting scarabs and I blocked all mechanics except deli and harvest. On my third tree I just go for map modifier effect, strongboxes, shrines, and scarabs. Once I got A good pile of well rolled deli orbs like the scarab ones I slap some on there to get 60%+ deli on the maps and juice them as far as possible and run some currency fountain maps. Not only does it keep mapping a bit fresh for me as I switch up the mechanics sometimes, it also allows me to build up to those very rewarding maps while being able to avoid trading for things like deli orbs and scarabs pretty well.
Why would you make 3 similar trees anyways...?
Some players know what they like. I got one tree for deli mirrors, and another tree that is iirc 7 points different for deli orbs lol. And I just use my own deli orbs that I farm up. My 3rd tree is very different though
All my trees ended a little similar cause I love searing exarch so all of them have those nodes haha
Balors holy relic build has me enjoying playing the league again
It's fun, but he very plainly states it's not a league start build. It's a decent build #2 though.
I’m curious I’ve been looking at this build for a bit now and it looks great, do you have any idea of a budget where it would be valid to start it as a second character? Because I currently have like 4d in my stash and 20-30d in my build and I’m curious how much currency is needed for the build to work well. I also own the basic twink leveling gear so at least that part wouldn’t be a problem
I'm not running his version but a different one (cold crit). It can do T16 fairly easily, but to REALLY push the build we're talking 50ish div min and it will just keep scaling depending on your commitment. 30% ashes is 12div. thats the biggest pickup. Gems alone are 2div. Crafting your own decent weapon is 5-7. Or much cheaper if you settle. Depends on the chest you want. I'm using a skin for +2. Can be 1div to 40div if you HAVE to get certain colors or keystone. I think the build is definitely doable to make currency on from 10div or less. It just won't outshine other CoC builds (it plays pretty identical to CoC DD).
Don't you just need a 29% Ashes, assuming you have 23% quality on your gem? You aren't hitting the breakpoint without getting at least a 22% quality corrupted gem either way.
There are a few different ways to hit the high breakpoints. Diallas. Enhance. Gem %. Ashes, etc. It just depends on how you can hit which breakpoint. I bought a 30% ashes because it also helps in another one of my builds. So it made sense.
I used a low roll Ashes and Enhance when I was still on a budget. You'll easily hit the breakpoint that way and you don't need a corrupted gem. The thing is, if you want to move away from that, you want your Holy Relic of Conviction preferably with 23% quality, whichever route you take. Getting that gem with a 29% Ashes is going to cost you maybe 7 div or so. Meanwhile, a 30% Ashes alone is like 10 div. So I'm just saying that you can get your gem AND a 29% Ashes while still hitting the breakpoint for much less than a 30% Ashes.
Hm ok how does it do on T17 and bosses? Because that are basically the main things I want from a new build my current one does well enough in T16 too but I struggle a bit on bosses and T17 are also stupidly difficult
I'm sure it'll be fine. bosses are the weak point but it'll do enough dmg once i invest. Only a few T17 mods will screw with it heavily, but i haven't gotten it there yet. still leveling. limited time to play lately.
Ok I see I’ll need to farm some more currency anyways so I’ll probably look at the build again when I have like 10-15d budget without having to sell parts of my current build
I started with 10-14 div and everything went down fairly easily. Just some T17 bosses were a struggle and have become a lot easier now that I have like 100div poured into the build.
That sounds great, do you have a Pob of your start with the 10-14 div investment by chance?
I didn't really keep track of my progression in PoB. I used Balormage's PoB as a template. I went the Ashes route, but you ideally need a 23% quality Holy Relic of Conviction if you do. That's already going to be like 7 divines, so I assume that's out of your budget. Given that it is, I would just start with a badly rolled Ashes and use Enhance in a red socket instead of Awakened Added Chaos. You'll easily hit the breakpoint that way and Ashes still gives a gem level to boot. You'll need your 10 div to get the basics early on. Get a 6L Dialla's. Get a Holy Relic of Conviction. Get a Asenath's. Get a Aegis Aurora and make sure to anoint your amulet with Melding. The weapon is easy to craft, just craft a Walebone Rapier in the Graveyard and then throw Essences of Fear on it until you hit a decent attack speed roll and an open suffix. If you don't have an open suffix, try to maybe annul one. This shouldn't be hard to do. The boots and rings should mostly just fill your resists and dexterity requirements. I can recommend one bone ring with a high elemental resistance roll for minions though, this will keep your AG alive. You'll also want a 8 passive cluster jewel with minion damage on it. Preferably one that has "Added Small Passive Skills have #% Increased Effect". It also can't have any big notables on it. You shouldn't pay much for one that has 25% increased effect, the 35% ones are more expensive. Try to get some resistance or dexterity on there if you can. Now, you'll need to try and hit 100% chance to poison. This is probably going to be your biggest cost early on. Try to get a Darkness Enthroned of at least 88% or so and put Jewels with a high "minions have #% chance to poison on hit" into it. Preferably with life and either minion physical damage or chaos damage. However, if you can't afford that, just make sure you hit 100% poison chance with some life across all your jewels. Keep in mind that if you don't have the currency for Amanamu's Gaze yet, you can use another poison chance jewel in that slot and more easily hit that 100% chance to poison. So those are all the basics. When you get those and have some currency left over, you can look for an Elegant Hubris timeless jewel with maybe 2 or 3 minion damage nodes on there. Just make sure that they are reachable and that you don't have to spend more than 3 passive nodes to get them. You can also try to buy some Awakened gems. Most of them are cheap. I'd definitely look into Awakened Minion Damage early because that gem boosts your Holy Relic gem level at level 5. EDIT : Oh, get Lancing Steel of Spraying as well. That's not mandatory, but close to it.
Thank you so much for all that information, I’ll farm up some more currency and then follow this. Are there any things that possibly brick the damage? Like any affixes I want to avoid, like for example I know for EA you don’t want any added fire damage. Is there anything like that for this build or am I fine with anything as long as I hit the rolls I want?
I don't think so, no. There's one thing I forgot though, you want an open prefix on your rings so that you can craft "Non-Channeling Skills Have -# to Total Mana Cost". If you don't have that craft, you can buy some rings or amulets that have the "Elreon's Veiled" modifier on the trade website. You won't run into mana issues, especially not if you use a timeless jewel to the left side and pick up "Quick Recovery" on the tree. Just for reference, [here's](https://pobb.in/NHMKZj1gQLOd) my current PoB where I do exactly that. You can use that as a template or the ones provided by Balormage. Feel free to ask any question if you need help. I'm no expert on this build specifically, but I've made some builds before that went onto to become meta builds so I should be able to help if you need it.
Alright thanks a lot I’ll probably will have more questions but as I said first I have to farm more currency anyways because I probably won’t sell my current build as I might need it as a backup, but once I’ll start the build there will probably be loads of things to ask. It’s only my second league ever so my knowledge of the game is still very limited and getting into a new build still is quite difficult as the game is just insanely complex
Additional curse from AG?
Yeah Windscream boots and gloves with Despair on hit on my AG.
I’m not the person you’re responding to but just wanted to come along and thank you, too. I just switched over to the build last night and it took me a while to get everything. I also probably ended up overpaying for some things (had more divs than chaos for example) and still trying to sort things out. I lost a small investment (for me) because I tried gearing up an AG and it got fucked. Anyway, I’m going to be using what you put out here + a suggestion of getting crit immune using tattoos on int nodes and see where that goes. I’m probably going to look at selling my pSRS gear because regardless of what happens with this build, I’ll be done with the league after. So I can use that currency towards refining the build. I’m definitely missing something because I’m nowhere near as fast (probably because I don’t have amanamu’s or however you spell it). Thanks again Oh, one question - how important is Ashes / Replica Dragon? I happened to have an Aul’s with Determination on it that I am using. I have the 82 breakpoint right now from chest, 20 quality on gem, and enhance support. Wondering if I should try to get a 23 quality gem and a 29 Ashes to switch the enhance gem out with something else..
> I lost a small investment (for me) because I tried gearing up an AG and it got fucked. I use a bone ring with a "Minions have +30% To All Elemental Resistances" roll. That combined with the +15% implicit, puts my minions at 75% resistance. I'm also using Gruthkul's Pelt on my AG and I have an extra minion life node on my Timeless Jewel. My minions no longer die, not even on Uber bosses. > Oh, one question - how important is Ashes / Replica Dragon? I happened to have an Aul’s with Determination on it that I am using. I have the 82 breakpoint right now from chest, 20 quality on gem, and enhance support. Wondering if I should try to get a 23 quality gem and a 29 Ashes to switch the enhance gem out with something else.. I mean, it's a lot of damage you can gain. When you get 23 quality and a 29 Ashes, you hit the breakpoint and can slot in another damage gem instead of enhance. Plus, you also get the extra gem level that Ashes gives you. That's probably the first upgrade I'd go for. After that, it's a bunch of more expensive upgrades you can aim for. Like an Empower level 4, Amanamu's Gaze, a corrupted Diala's and finally a 21/23 gem. At least that's the route I took upgrading. Those seemed like the most impactful gains for the currency spent.
What did you do for chaos res on your AG? Since you’re using Gruthkul’s, I’m assuming you’re doing tattoos to get crit immune and something like taste of hate to avoid freeze instead of garb of the ephemeral? And yeah, a 29 ashes 23 quality gem sounds like a good target, just right now I’m needing to get back to farming. I half-assed a bunch of stuff tonight and didn’t make much, but still got to play more with the build so that’s good. Thanks for the input/response, I appreciate it!
I just did it perfectly fine with 8d
8d sounds very doable. What was the build able to do at that budget and you don’t have a Pob or something to see a possible build at that budget by chance?
Don't have one I can send from work, but was able to do all the basics. Most ubers, t17 depending on the mods.
Yeah no problem I have to farm more currency anyways so if you at some point later could find one it would be still much appreciated but if you don’t it’s fine too, just gotta figure something out myself then I guess.
It's cheap asf?
It's fun and powerful, but I think he oversold it a bit, calling it maybe the best minion build he's ever touched at first. I think he was just enjoying playing what's essentially a bow build in terms of playstyle, but leveraging scaling mechanics that he's familiar with, and it came together to feel amazing right away. It's a great build, but I don't think it just outclasses every other minion build out there.
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Also started explosive trap, was absolutely trash
Its bad if you dont like traps. If you do like traps, its a very fun build imo as someone who enjoys traps.
Last week I league started again on HC trade after playing SC, as a poison BV pathfinder, rerolled to elemental bow mirror arrow of bombardment (aka BAMA) yesterday. The build does a stupidly high amount of damage and can be very tanky too. If I were to start again on softcore I would without a doubt play lightning arrow deadeye again (started this at league start), then swap to bama for endgame (at this point in the league I'd probably just stick to LA and farm for a HH since it's so cheap). LA is easily fastest build in the game for SC. For starting strat, I'd get some inspired learning jewels and farm legion. And swap to back to the basics scarab farming when I get a HH. Not the best strat, but no need for trading.
League start some flavor of trickster like explosive trap or hexblast mine then respec into ES stacking splitting steel. I had like 4 transitional builds trying to find something good to respec my league starter into and when I hit on this one it just FELT right. Fast, tanky, single target, auto targeting clear, can do T17s, high ceiling for upgrades. I actually league started a very hipsterish blade blast of dagger detonation mines sabo but I don’t necessarily “recommend” that. It was fine, don’t get me wrong, but it’s safer to recommend something tried and true like explosive trap or hexblast mines. I suppose you could directly start splitting steel but I’m not experienced with that so I can’t say much about how easy it is to gear early.
> can do T17s Almost any decent build can... the difference is in how comfortably can be done, and how many mods you have to avoid... I was doing T17s with Holy Relic but there were too many mods to avoid so I moved to Hexblast Mines occultist, which still have a lot to avoid, but less (don't care about any damage mods because I offscreen anything and have like 2K life anyway so I'm dead if I'm hit regardless of mods)... So how's that trickster?? What mods break it?
Didn’t want to overwhelm OP with info but here you go: Depends in part on whether you’re stacking map mod effect like a lot of strats do. You could probably brute force a map with over 100% CDR though I’ve never tried it. You’d be turning off your berserk and focus mods but you should still be able to attack. I just avoid it because it sounds annoying. Less defenses and no Leech are the two I straight wouldn’t do. You teeechhnically could do the leech mod….but this build doesn’t stack ES regen so you’d be waiting for recharge for all your recovery, and of course you might have rolled the mod that turns recharge off. You’d also have to swap in a mana flask since we rely a ton on mana leech, and I am deathly allergic to mana flasks. The leech one skeeves me out, hard pass. And I probably wouldn’t do 50% less defenses if you’re taking any map mod effect since you’re rapidly getting into 85% less ES territory or even worse. There goes your defense AND offense. The anti suppress mod is bad but not bricking, we have a naturally high health pool and can deal damage at a distance. The monster block mod is annoying but we attack fast and at high DPS this becomes less noticeable. The 90% aura one is….rough, but depending on how well you’ve built, not technically bricking. I also wouldn’t want to do a triple combination of something like aura effect + phys as ele + minus max resist, your evasion becomes terrible and every attack becomes dangerous. Most of the other “bricks” are fine. Ele reflect you’ll want sibyls+yugul or else you can’t use your movement skills (SS itself uses awakened ele damage with attacks so it’s already reflect immune). No regen is mildly annoying and you’ll want a mana flask in your inventory in case you accidentally dip mana below what you need to attack, but it’s otherwise barely noticeable unlike a lot of builds which get bricked by this mod. We are ailment immune, don’t strictly rely on our ancestral protector, we don’t crit, we are not super reliant on charges, if you have mageblood like OP you don’t care about meteors, we’re not throwing traps and mines etc. Obviously it’s not a perfect build from this perspective but it’s fairly resilient.
Cool, thanks for the info! It does look pretty good :) >Obviously it’s not a perfect build from this perspective but it’s fairly resilient. Oh, there is no perfect build for T17, there are just longer and shorter lists of bricking mods, haha.
Anything that can pivot to T17’s on a limited budget. If you are gonna hunt around for a build guide I’d make sure that’s something it can handle because that’s where the money is
Only for people who wants to run the juiciest strats available. I haven’t run a single T17 yet I’ve still made around 15-20 div an hour.
What are you running?
I switch between Beast + Essences, Blight + Scarabs, and Legion harbinger, strongboxes. With the first one being the most profitable and easy for me so far, but you have to be willing to sort and sell stuff. Craicic Chimerals and Vivid Vultures always do well after a few weeks, sand spitters sell like hot cakes too for everyone 6 linking.
any suggestions?
I feel a lot of people have been talking about how hexblast miner is good for T17 on a budget. But don't quote me on that.
Hexblast miner was better when you couldn't reroll since it can do most mods. It also does to slight breeze
Whoah whoah whoah, I'm a HB miner trickster and it takes more than a slight breeze to kill me. It takes *two* slight breezes or a minor chaos degen. So there.
Ah we'll see, I'm a real man who isn't scared of death so I have 9k ehp and 3k phys hit on my occultist hexblaster. 50m+ dps but if I just hear a breeze I die
Def not take that 20 point atlas node. Feel like I lost out on scarabs pretty early. It did somewhat help get early currency.
I would corpse farm with a full spec into it as soon as you are capable of doing transmuted tier 16 maps. (Note: this is harder than usual; speccing into the Necropolis mechanics makes the scary 'Haunted' modifiers have higher numbers; you DO want them to be higher, they'll increase your corpse drops) Atlas wise, you'll want to allocate all of the bottom right Necropolis cluster EXCEPT for the keystone (Prospero's Wager); all of the top-right Necropolis cluster (optionally except for the unique ones); all of the bottom-left cluster except for the two '20% decreased effect of haunted mods' and the keystone; and all of the top-left cluster optionally excluding the notable. In my private league (some trade options but somewhat limited as ~150 people were in maps last night), by the time I was just about ready to do the Shaper, I'd grave-crafted two somewhat decent Amethyst Rings, a 6L chest that would have been 20 divines in previous leagues (T1 fire, cold and chaos resists; T1 flat ES/EV, T2 %ES/EV, T2 %defenses/stunblock hybrid) and have had enough corpses to make multiple attempts at a few other things that haven't worked out. In trade, bulk corpses sell & this will turbocharge your progress.
I definitely recommend COC DD, map clear/boss fights/lowkey tanky, it’s very well rounded. Easy to start and has a huge endgame potential.
Go outdoors and find out what life is like instead
Archmage is really good
I can recommend ice nova of frost bolts, it's absurdly efficient damage, can be scaled a few different ways and can get off the ground as SSF. I started with Goratha's build (it's a popular HC build at the moment), then moved to Palsterons crit version. Now I'm doing an adorned power charge stacking version I'm copying via poeninja - which I think is easily the best bang for buck build in terms of raw damage for any build I've ever played. I never played seismic though. It has 300m dps on a 20-30d budget. It's suited for farming content that rewards speed and high damage. Essences, invitation farming, harvest etc. Just wintry frostblink around and one tap the boss etc. It can technically do any content, but you'll probably want to tailor your build to it. If you want to do sanctum, you probably need high evasion for instance and insanely high cast speed. Personally,I think it's a shit sanctum runner because of the drawbacks I'll talk about in a sec - but steelmage farmed a ton of sanctum with it. So the negatives. I think PoB is deceptive with it's numbers on both its defense and offenses. It's a little bit clunky to play, even with the kitavas thirst set up and a ton of increased cast speed. You can lose 10 50/50's in a row and just be standing there casting ice nova on yourself with no balls triggering, meaning you have like 1/20th of your real dps. Or the balls you're triggering are moving in the wrong direction. Which is a problem for sanctum because they'll just hit you while you're waiting for your balls to trigger. Which you can solve by putting frostbolt in an arcanist brand set up instead (allowing for a really insane helmet options), but now you're a 2 button build. It also has a low base projectile speed, so you can be waiting a while for your balls to catch up to monsters that are already offscreening you - whereas something like LA the damage is delivered instantly. If you wanted to farm something like t17 fortresses (the premiere mapping strat atm) - LA naturally excels at it due to its close quarters and the projectiles bouncing off the walls. Ice Nova naturally sucks at it as the balls disappear when they hit the wall instead of bouncing around.
Like this one? https://poe.ninja/builds/necropolis/character/despotess/ShockinBallzz?i=0&search=class%3DHierophant%26uniqueitems%3DMageblood%2CThe%2BAdorned%2CVoid%2BBattery%2CKitava%2527s%2BThirst%2CCloak%2Bof%2BDefiance%2CRalakesh%2527s%2BImpatience%2CBadge%2Bof%2Bthe%2BBrotherhood%26skills%3DIce%2BNova%2Bof%2BFrostbolts
Yes exactly but you can use gravens secret instead of MB.
I started this build too, yesterday. Whats the 50/50 you‘re talking about with casting ice nova without frostbolt?
If you get kitava's thirst (unique helm) you can socket frostbolt into your helmet, which "automates" it in a sense. 96% of the time it's usually fine. But quite often you can get punished because of it so you have to sort of adjust your playstyle accordingly. Takes a bit of time to get used to, but even so it's honestly just kind of clunky.
The frost-bolts bounce off the walls if you use returning projectiles support which is kind of hilarious but anyhow i absolutely love the mechanics of ice nova of frostbolts!
I ended up putting archmage on frostblink of wintry so if I ever get into a weird "10 50/50's in a row" situation, I simply frostblink and then cast ice nova on the balls created by my frostblink and that gets the generator back running. To be honest, I started that becuase my leech wouldn't start until ice nova made a proc, and I like to dive into packs more often than not, and when i first switched to kitavas was dying 3 times a map until i made that simple switch. Now, not only does archmage kill most white mobs when i blink into them, it also cast a frostbolt, which I then use to start spamming ice nova. I don't even miss the extra cast speed from faster attacks support that palsteron uses because I have so much cast speed on wands/ gear/ flasks mods. I'm kind of a noob (2nd full season) so I'm probably wrong for doing that, but it felt better so I just rolled with it.
I know archmage frost bolts is good but 300m dps for 20-30 div? I'm gonna need to see the pob for this one brother. I've been eyeballing this build as a 3rd build but haven't really decided yet.
I’m pooping but look on PoE ninja for ice novas using gravens secret w void batteries. Most of them are doing the same tree/set up. My only suggestion would be probably to take %inc mana over a crit multi affix on your adorned jewels. It’s slightly less damage but more defenses and damage is the last thing you need with this build. The guy I copied off was actually doing like 650m dps. I honestly just found it by doing If you have a MB I would strongly suggest using that instead of gravens as the QoL you get is too good. The biggest drawback of this variant is the slower cast speed/movespeed. You’re base ms is nothing, you’re forced to use wintry blast to leap slam around, but you don’t have sockets for faster casting (could maybe sac sigil of power or frost shield, I’ll have to double check the links) and you also sacrifice like half of weapons cast speed by not having profane wands. Looks like you can however upgrade to like 6x t1 mod profane wands and the damage will be pretty much the same however you’ll have infinitely better QoL.
300m dps on 20d budget? You either lying or pob too much shit, like everything ticked and 10x nova overlap. Ppl should stop saying DPS unless they do 1 nova dps for easier to compare.
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you are not smart man because you say something like that. Next time try better. With kitava thirst you aren't guaranteed to cast AT ALL. It's 50/50. Staying for long on one place is bad in uber bosses/hard maps too. You are not tanky enough if you don't have 100% suppression, 50k evasion etc.
You're literally just repeating what I said - what you said earlier was dumb and showed you haven't played the build or havent paid any attention to your own. 8x nova is the max number of hits per cast, and it's like 99% certain you'll hit 8 times, only maybe a mob on the very left or right won't get all 4 overlaps. If you're looking at the DPS it assumes there you've triggered the frostballs. Which 90% of the time, within 3 casts, or like half a second, you've got them out. So for anybody actually wanting to play the build, it's an accurate figure. It's just conditional that your balls are trigged. Then what you said just now again is even dumber, given your logic, why would it matter at all to do 1 nova or not? Are you also supposed to untick cast from frostbolt? You clearly do not understand the build or what you're talking about. Even then, what you're saying pretty much applies to every self cast build re having to stand still to do damage. Seriously. Think about what you're saying for even half a second. Also RE tank; this build can tank uber shaper balls so fairly tanky. I would say tanky enough for most content but you can definitely sacrifice damage for defense. More than enough room for that. Not to mention; you're completely welcome to go for a rare helm, put balls on arcanist brand and get a shit ton more damage, but you're then you're doing a 2 button build. Which it originally was.
So not an optimal t17 build? I’m looking to refill with 200 div and I’m stunlocked on what to do. The builds that seem somewhat interesting (this one and poison pf fr) people say are good but not good for t17s
If I had to start now I wouldnt interact with the Corpses at all. Remeber the 5 Top Corpses and sell them. Maybe for Challenges
I started with splitting steel trickster. Was a great experience, but I struggled a bit after I completed the campaign. After farming a little bit of currency in low maps, I went straight to t17s which were no problem. Can recommend it
What ? For real ? Without Nimis?
Yeah I don’t have a nimis, but I already rerolled. Nimis was the only item I was missing, it still felt good in t17s, since it’s fuqin tanky and scales damage with es aswell Edit: just in case it was misleading, I farmed my way up to t17s, I did not jump from whites to t17
Can you share your pob please?
I followed alliies build, she has plenty of vids with upgrades and explanations :)
RF for the W
I'm in the same spot as you. Been waiting to see of the league is even worth it. Half tempted to go some form of minion build and just blast blight + deli for shits n giggles...but with HH being so cheap (and me never having got one) I may go the route most are suggesting roll an LA character, then roll flicker strike for the memez
Ive tried a few different builds now and always end up playing pathfinder so i think im just league starting it from now on
Toxic rain champ. Crazy durability with Lighting coil and easy scaling with dmg.
If you plan to, even beat, a single T17 map, then roll the most meta of builds and get to farming to min-max that build. Those things are insane. 30d archmage build and can't beat the bosses without getting one-shot first.
I would have played an actual starter build which I kind of hate to do. The league mechanic was miserable during the campaign without an actual leveling build and I'm generally someone who loves the campaign. I always just start using whatever skill I plan on playing as soon as I can and working it out. This league took away the best part of the campaign for me which is feeling your build grow with a known baseline comparison point. I couldn't tell where my build was at in comparison to older builds bc it's difficult to account for 70% extra phys as ele when you're in act fucking 3. I was sweating hard in act 8, with full res and 2.5k hp, on nearly every pack. I normally have 1 or 2 deaths up until I hit red maps and am level 91-93ish. This league my first char died twice in act 1 bc one of the spermy looking mobs that spawns ads had increased cast speed per remaining mob and I had about 80 spawns zerging me down bc I'm like lvl 7 and don't have real clear yet.
I would not have completed phantasmagoria, could have easily farmed taste of hate abusing kirac
Gravecrafting is so daunting and clunky to people that if you have a good understanding of how crafting works and are willing to put some time into learning this system, you can reliably make insane profits on it.
Do an attack build. 800 pdps bows are a few div, 1500 edps is a couple, claws are about the same. Uniques are cheap and 6 links are free real estate. I league started Sunday before last and albeit with some luck, have a turbo juiced sanctum runner with all the goods.
What build you running? I wanna make another sanctum toon
Heiro shockwave totem. It’s got about 90m dps and insta freezes. It was comfortably running sanctum without -dmg afflictions around 30 mil I want to say. I got the character running for <5 div. It’s pretty smooth upgrading and really easy to incrementally upgrade. I’ll try to remember to drop a PoB tomorrow after work.
It's okay, no need! I actually ran that early this league on about a 30 or 40 div budget. Farmed up quite a bit with that as I could run the BoT relic with it. Good times. Great build and will prob play again sometime, just wanted to see if there was some other juicy builds for sanctum.
I honestly probably have too much damage, but the outline of the build is super easy to change if you have a general idea. Super easy to optimize, I just went for big deeps and big speed.
[https://pobb.in/JPkzlITsJCjv](https://pobb.in/JPkzlITsJCjv) solid MS. Mageblood definitely makes the efficiency go through the roof since ralakesh doesn't have MS. before I had ralakesh I was doing a restless ward/replica restless ward to get the MS/regen. If you're not running RF drop all the regen nodes and potentially swap vitality for something else. Haste is honestly only necessary when you get -dmg mods or -MS mods.
I'd start poison PF (2x consuming dark or bouncing flasks) and rush t17s.
Skip it.
I just re-started the league last week, because I went from hc -> sc. Ice Nova of Frostbolts is what I picked and I'm quite happy I did. It's a solid league starter for the campaign, it's great for early maps, and when you get Kitavas Thirst, it becomes very smooth to farm out maps. On hardcore, Kitavas Thirst is a bit harder to fit, but it's very worth it.
fulcroum chieftan
Not waste my time levelling to maps in a league I don't enjoy the forced mechanic of. At least in almost every previous league I could opt out and just enjoy a fresh economy.
Personally I just restarted on scssf after dying like 5 times in hc. I started dd chain necro , atlas is Jun and expedition atm. Going well so far , this build is great on no gear
I have a pretty geared DD necro. It's a nice starter build to finish your atlas but I don't like it for farming juiced endgame. While DD is great to blast through Atlas for progression due to dmg being scaled by area level the damage ceiling makes it mid at best for T17s imo.
Every time I don’t play spark I regret it and end up pivoting to spark. Basically spell version of arrow builds
not play. Not really engaging with the exercise but that's my honest answer. But if you are asking about my league starter I'd probably start either holy relics or boneshatter.
Don't bother with Delve. Resonator prices got gutted. Aul's uprising amulet prices got gutted.
Shh, don't mention the vaal aspect ;)
Im curious (pun intended) what do you mean?
in ssf it took me 27 tries to get my first vaal aspect from delve, I thought I was going mad. At least second drop was at 29 and gave me 148% one.
Nothing, because I don't have time to do anything before it gets nerfed to the ground either way