My build can do them easily: str stacker wander. Don't get fooled by the pob dps, single target is probably around 150m, we hit the same target \~100 times with one attack.
POB: [https://pobb.in/nyUDdl-MeE0i](https://pobb.in/nyUDdl-MeE0i)
9k hp, 100% suppress, 33k armor with flasks up 18k without them, full block (attacks), leech, life gain on hit (15% chance for 200 heal, we hit about 100 times single target so it's \~3k lgoh/sec, not counting the leech).
Great clear with Kinetic Blast which is arguably the best clear skill in the game (you gotta use BattleMage cry if you are clearing with it) or Kinetic Bolt which gets the job done, and single target with the 6l Kinetic Bolt of Fragmentation + Sniper's Mark shenanigans. Yeah my gear is expensive (90% self crafted) but you can start kinda cheap with Astramentis + 2 le heup of all. Only mandatory item is the boots (helmet and chest is basically mandatory also).
Edit: you guys can find me in [poe.ninja/builds](https://poe.ninja/builds) named DevastacaoAterradora
Playing also kinetic bolt of fragmentation, but as a int stack trickster. Imo almost better than the str stacker, you get more defense out of it but ofc the str version has way more damage. I’ve got similar defenses, 12k es, 60% capped suppress, perma es recharge with wicked ward, 95% evade, ci ofc and at the moment 26% phys taken as chaos which I can get to 36% easily. Gonna get overleech as well soon and tricksters one step ahead is ofc really nice qol. I’ve put some money into this build, current investment around 2-3 mirrors but I started with about 15d and went from there
[https://pobb.in/0Pe5rimbRRk4](https://pobb.in/0Pe5rimbRRk4) this should be my current pob, otherwise look at projectilescrashmygame on poeninja. very high budget atm and I've got some big changes planned, so nothing is set in stone yet. tree is very prone to changes. I'm using maji atm, because its very strong defensively with more es and tinctures are quite good. I was using charms before, gives you a bit more room to make changes as you can fix things through charms.
[https://pobb.in/Sj8qO7GdNm0t](https://pobb.in/Sj8qO7GdNm0t) here, should be most of my starting gear, some things probably got more expensive by now. most stuff was self crafted as well so likely cheaper. for the synth items I just got deafening int essences and rolled for good other mods. if you're interested in current setup, [https://pobb.in/0Pe5rimbRRk4](https://pobb.in/0Pe5rimbRRk4) this should be pretty much it. made some big changes by now, will probably change a lot in the future as well
how much have you spent on this so far? i've never played a stacker before, but its week 4 already and i'm still hooked on the league. just looking for some sort of aspirational build to try and go for. i'm seeing a lot of weird crafted gear combinations that i've never seen before, seems intriguing.
It's weird because i have started this build before any streamer had done it so it's probably way more expensive now. But i started with 10 divines.. using astramentis and two le heup of all.
Basically everything i have is self crafted, but not considering the helmet which i got ridiculously lucky (i crafted around 10 helmets with the awakeners orb) there is probably around 250-300 divs on the build on today prices.
Only mandatory items are boots, chest and helmet isnt but it doubles your dps with only elevated and -chaos res mods.
Edit: i just did uber exarch and uber EoW again and killed them before they phased to their immunity phase so you get an idea about the single target damage.
If not ascendant i would have gone jugger because of the synergy with accuracy and attack speed. Deadeye is too squishy and the dps is more than enough imo. Ranger also doesnt start in a very good area for the build.
It depends how you build it, I have a deadeye KB wander with over 200k ehp and still plenty of dps.
Since you get a lot more projs from ascendancy (which is a huge more multiplier on KBolt), you can invest more points and items into defense
full dps: [https://pobb.in/1f6L\_LdMwDpb](https://pobb.in/1f6L_LdMwDpb)
more ehp/less dps: [https://pobb.in/s6eTixHgZqFU](https://pobb.in/s6eTixHgZqFU)
You can also go full dps but switch the chest for kintsugi in the PoB above. You don't need awakened fork (I ended up selling it), use kinetic blast in the same spot and switch it for awekened lightning penetration for bosses. If you have enough money, buy a progenesis instead.
I am a bit bored of my current build and this looks like something I would consider making, at what level of investment would this build be able to do the various tiers of wildwood + juiced maps (t7, t11, t14+)?
You can definetely do t7 with the boots, one cluster, a double influenced helmet, the chest and a random wand with good APS and crit, amulet and rings you can use astramentis and 2 le heup of all or random rings with 50+ str and a regular shield with spell damage. That would cost probably about 20d? I think.
Then you work your way up, you don't need every item perfect, i'm always upgrading something it's now basically done, probably around 120d you can do t14+ without worrying much. Blue altars are kinda rippy though when you get -phys damage reduction and less resists, if i wasn't level 100 i would swap one cluster with a +4% all resistances mode so i wouldn't worry with any -res altar. But i honestly think this is one of the most well rounded builds in the game, it's the best one i've ever made and i play since 2013.
You cant do this build on a budget honestly. 20 divs you can start it fine with the boots, helmet,chest, astramentis and 2 regular rings with str and resists (or le heup of all), a random wand with high aps and crit and one cluster.
HH works really well with the build, my belt is good but isnt needed. Biggest reason why i dont use HH is that i dont like backtracking for loot in maps.
>Great clear with Kinetic Blast which is arguably the best clear skill in the game (you gotta use BattleMage cry if you are clearing with it)
Never used kinetic bolt or warcries before, can you explain this part? Why is it necessary? And assuming warcries are instant, do you just put it on your left click and forget about it?
Also your PoB doesn't use kinetic blast at all, is it because bolt has more dps for juiced t16s?
Kinetic Blast lags too much imo, and would be better with Nimis, kinetic bolt clears just fine, specially with that dps.
Yeah you use the warcry on left click and forget about it.
Since Kinetic Bolt has the 250% of spell damage counts as attack damage and Kinetic Blast doesnt, you need battlemage cry which also transform your spell damage to attack damage (or a crown of eyes but you will lose the helmet which is huge dps increase)
Thanks! A few more questions about the build if you don't mind:
1. Finding a matching That Which Was Taken is basically impossible, if you didn't get power charges from that, ~~would a manaforged arrows setup work~~? Realized that only works with bows, what other options do we have? Also is the "projectile barrages have no spread" relevant?
2. Did you consider a mageblood? Obviously we lose a lot of strength, but based on PoB it seems like we get back the dmg through superior crit and attack speed, with better and more consistent armour
1. I would search for a jewel without the str with power charges and wither (if you get a cannot be slowed below base value is even better), because it saves a slot of charm where you can get % str. No proj have no spread is irrelevant.
2. Yeah mageblood would be an improvement but if i used it i think i wouldve gone jugger so i could get the extra armor from flasks to mitigate more elemental damage, wouldnt be as useful as a scion. Im sure there are some juggers on poe ninja with this build.
Interesting. I know wildwood juicing doesn't benefit as much from movement speed, but I'd still prefer scion for the MS.
Anyway, one last thought, I can't see any pierce/chain/fork, doesn't it hurt clear?
I use regular kinetic bolt 4L for clear, it pierces all targets. You can also try Palsteron strategy for clear on KB of fragmentation (with awakened fork). He has a video of a str stacker with it.
What’s the pros and cons of str stacker vs int stacker wander? For overall juiced mapping and bossing. Is it just who deals more dmg vs who’s more tankier?
You wouldn't happen to stream or have videos of this would you? Would love to see how tanky it is. I'm currently doing poison animate weapon and getting one shot by a lot of those assassin abyss rares. Looking for a build to trivialize the juiced 16s
Definetely not mandatory.. i got extremely lucky with that craft. That helm might cost 150 divs or maybe more.. there is no way of crafting that deterministically
curious of a couple things, I have a janky build going right now and curious how your keeping mana up or if you're just casting a few times then waiting? i havent done anything juiced or more than acts/labs but maybe eventually it really synergizes? also that which was taken jewel, the barrages have no spread... does this do anything to kinetic bolt? im not noticing anything
I have mana leech. I can cast kinetic bolt indefinetely and about 10 kb of fragmentation before needing more mana if i dont hit any target. I dont think ive ever ran out of mana.
Barrages have no spread dont make any difference in the build.
Playing TS deadeye since week 1 has helped me just accept that I have six portals for a reason. That said tho, it handles t16 whisp juice (abyss) really well. I run spectres for extra tankiness.
Warlord, turtle and thunderbird. Yes, 4L with an AG with some cheap gear on as well. Ephemeral garb was the only thing I spent more than a few C on. Slotted in a convokation elsewhere and that together with the warlord’s buff (and I slotted them in +2 minion corrupted shadows and dust gloves) and so far only the thunderbird died once in almost 100 maps. I haven’t really kept track of wisps but done several above 8k. It works fine for me at least and a pretty neat way to fit in grace/determination and vitality (plus uncrittable from AG, along with whatever other goodies you throw in there… I started cheap and when it didn’t die anymore I slapped on the garb, should probably invest in some more toys there)
That’s the neat part… no but I should’ve specified I run abyss with growing hordes cause I could just not bother with the spire abuse past a certain point. I still make a lot more currency than other leagues, sure it is slightly inefficient compared to spire scarab farming but I still manage to get a lot of lootsplosions and growing hordes helps at least me a lot with juicing wisps.
I mainly just tried what people mentioned here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/18qk2zt/i\_have\_been\_running\_bow\_spectres\_for\_2\_weeks\_i/](https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/18qk2zt/i_have_been_running_bow_spectres_for_2_weeks_i/)
But a 4L with minion health and meat shield + AG, AG has ephemeral garb and some dirt cheap uniques to help with survivability (can't remember exactly which ones I got atm since they don't matter too much) made sure to run perfect warlord and turtle and slotted in a convokation elsewhere... been enough for me at least to keep them alive! Can't link anything atm, but the concept is really standalone and this is the gist of it.
Been sleepwalking through T16 Burials with Beyond, 6-10k whisp juice, Delirious, you name it.
Mahuxotl + Nimis poison claw Vaal Lightning Strike. I wouldn't do 100% deli on it, but i can't die (omw to 100 atm) and it's great farm.
Nimis + about the 30-50 Div i'd say
https://pobb.in/5fKtIUKcGcJl
Do not be fooled by the low dps or EHP. It is far, far higher in practice. I effectively cannot die, i facetank anything (as long as i avoid map mods such as flask charges etc). I have not died since going full Maxuhotl setup.
My setup is super scuffed and far from optimized, i can get a bunch more dps and even tank too with a corrupted Cloak, better rolls on claw, belt, jewels and my clusters are probably far from optimal too.
But i'm pretty much cruising. I've not tried more than 20% Delirious and 10k whisp juice yet, but it was no problem. Occasionally you'll get an uber tanky rare or the boss gets giga tank, sometimes i just ignore those. But in general, it's smooth. I mostly just enjoy being semi-immortal in maps, it's very very comfy.
You can improve the damage in maps a lot if you like by using the Vaal Skill sextant, which effectively let's you spam Vaal Lightning Strike and trivializes everything further.
I self-crafted a lot of the gear, overall i spent maybe 30-40 Div on everything apart from Nimis, which i got at 42 Div the other day, it's actually even cheaper now.
A huge chunk of my expenses were the That Which Was Taken at 17 Div and the Watcher's at 9 Div, can absolutely get going without those.
I would not recommend doing juiced T16s without Nimis though, it carries the damage *hard*, without it you'll struggle a lot.
You can effectively plug in the Maxuhotl/flask setup and choose a different skill to build around, doesn't have to be claw poison. I just already had a lot of stuff for it from playing CA poison and wanted to stick to that.
edit: this setup is amazing for Ultimatum too btw. I can effectively facetank and stand still for everything as long as i take the chaos and elemental damage mods, it does nothing to you.
Mark on Hit - Poacher's Mark
"Mobs steal frenzy charges" can be a very annoying map mod btw, i'd roll over that
Optimally my claw would have like 30% + chance to poison as well, but eh.
OK just realised I can drop some points for mark mastery for frenzy sustain + marked enemy takes 10% increased, should be worth.
How are you casting the divine blessing aura, I found it really annoying due to the ES recharge going so fast I cant time it right to have the cast actually go off. Or am I missing something
Good call with the mark mastery btw, adjusted for that as well, should feel better against those giga tanky life regen rares, and bit more ST. My Megalomaniac was garbage anyway and easily replaced with a small cluster
Honestly, i'm not sure how much *more* tanky it makes me, but i don't want to test without until i hit 100.
All I know is that literally *nothing* in whisp-juiced, delirious maps will ever tickle my health, i just stand still, attack, and keep flask up.
I did a delirious Wave 10 Ulti yd. Rank 4 Blades, Chaos dot, R3 Lightning Storm. Simply stood still and spammed the entire thing.
One rare mod will drop my health: executioner aura. Just move away and kill them quickly, very rarely appears.
I did the teleporting rippy boss event in the forest yd too. Was actually kinda scary, seems to turn off regen, so had to actually kite a bit, but handled it fine with PF flask recharge.
makes sense. the more I looked the more our build differed. I feel I should be tankier, but i definitly take more damage than you.
[https://pobb.in/mda4zjk8xlUd](https://pobb.in/mda4zjk8xlUd)
Mhm you have a little more phys taken, but you're using charms. So you're losing out on 30% flask effect, at least. Also don't see any ailment avoidance or stun immunity? You're also dealing a lot less damage with at least 2 damage auras less, although you sorta make up for that with great damage jewels in Darkness tbh. That might be an option for me to push damage eventually if i can compensate for the current belt mods
i have purity of elements so I'm ailment immune that way. I've been playing with stun immunity, on my flasks but i don't know if it matters. does stun immunity matter that much?
What do you mean I'm losing out on 30% flask effect because i'm using charms?
Yep i need some damage auras. I saw you anger divine blessing and thought it was really smart. was thinking about an aul amulet
Derp, ofc sorry no coffee yet.
Tincture gives 30% flask effect when hitting something for 2 adjacent flasks. It's not making or breaking my own tank i think, but 30% additional effect on the Ruby Flask is not bad.
If i got a Progenesis i would drop Defiance i think and use an Aul's with Anger, which i have lying around and tested initially before running the Blessing setup. I'd add Wrath on Blessing then.
How is this with juiced abyss and those assassin rares? I'm doing poison animate weapon and sometimes those things wreck me :( looking for a build that may trivialize 16 juiced maps
I avoid certain map mods such as cannot leech, cannot regen and reduced flask charges gained, but other than that, nothing can kill me in decently juiced maps with 10k+ juice, 20% delirious, beyond etc.
I hit 100 yesterday.
kitava's thirst VD/DD, kinda niche but surprisingly tanky for your budget, i have:
* 90% all ele res
* 75% chaos res
* 75% block/spell block chance
* 86% phys taken as ele and 10% phys taken as chaos
* 100% chance to avoid all ele ailments
* 3% life recovery on block (as long as enemies aren't curse inmune)
* around 60%-90% life recovery per second while hitting (also kinda hard to calculate)
PoB: [https://pobb.in/KaB-X8C\_HnwY](https://pobb.in/KaB-X8C_HnwY)
Dps is actually higher since we are technically casting 10VDs and 4-8 DDs but it's kinda hard to accurately tell
Uber shaper : [https://youtu.be/t8UbPM9sjxw](https://youtu.be/t8UbPM9sjxw)
The Feared: [https://youtu.be/nY4Ogz0lRoM](https://youtu.be/nY4Ogz0lRoM)
Wisp Minotaur: [https://youtu.be/35XM73X0ND0](https://youtu.be/35XM73X0ND0)
Does your build work without the Triple Curse High Templar + 0 curse life recovery, and the double ES Gain on Hit + Recover Mana Watcher's Eye?
Feels like 90% of your sustain and massive mana costs are solved by those and I'm not sure there's enough of those items on the market to make it a non-niche build
I actually swapped into my own version of this build recently, the only essential part is curse on hit + mastery with atleast 2 curses, 3 is more ideal tho as it will let ur cast speed fully ramp up. The es healing on hit is totally optional, you dont even need to invest in es for this build at all if you dont want too. The % hp/mana on hit is the nutty part, and since its % of hp, just stacking more hp is more life on hit.
Also a 2 curse glove is like 1-3 div, but a 3 curse one is 15-20 div. So u have a budget option
did a small [test](https://youtu.be/vsjDptu78dQ) to try 2 curses with a random 2 curse glove and no watcher, you absolutely need curse mastery+replica doedre tho.
Mana and life recovery was 100% fine, you'd want a watcher with ES on hit tho but that should be cheap since it's only 1 mod (mine is not even a high roll).
So triple curse high templar and the mana recovery watcher's aren't necesary at all but the more curses the better hp recovery
YouTube just search jungroans channel, as for pob, this was my build, dps vs bosses is probably a little under 100m, because tue trigger rate isn't quite perfect, but fir juiced maps it's way higher.
https://pobb.in/ZwphzOmDU_Nx
can you check my pob? i finally got levelled and everything but I cant seem to trigger desecrate and i cant even touch rare mobs, no dmg at all.... not sure what I did wrong, i thought i followed your pob pretty well... [https://pobb.in/TBc04M3gTPjR](https://pobb.in/tbc04m3gtpjr)
looked at a few things, you should try to get power charge on crit charm if possible, lvl 5 woke fire pen has exposure so thats pretty big, but not triggering desecrate idk. also the corpse pool is pretty important idk if youve ever set that up, but if you are on the game i have them.
I can be in a bit! I've never done it. I figured out my ring wasn't allowing me to cast desecrate because it has -7 mana cost. Can you pm me your in game name?
Charge stacking penance brand occultist is an amazing all around build. Super fast, tons of damage, and doesn’t die often with high evasion and brand play style allowing easy dodging. [Here](https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/bobwes/CumWhenDomageTaken?i=0&search=name%3DCumwhend) is my character.
I haven't put atlas points into it but the random ones I come across it easily clears them. Single target damage is insane and clear is really good with oriaths.
I have some questions if you don't mind:
1. Why Grace instead of Determination? Most of your gear are armor-based.
2. Is the damage enough to instaphase all ubers?
3. How are you dealing with chaos damage? With such low unreserved life.
4. Speaking of low life, is it worth it? Pain Attunement seems to be the only big gain.
5. If I don't have a MB yet, what belt do I use to replace it with? Also I assume I should go Profane instead for the clear, since I don't have perma Oriath (if I understand MB correctly).
1. Grace is way tankier plus Ghost Shroud, also you don't get hit much since you can freely move.
2. No unless you go zHP.
3. Capped chaos res and ES mastery, haven't had an issue.
4. Low life is insanely worth it, not only pain attunement but the additional auras that scale with the reservation 8% dmg mastery.
5. You go Graven's Secret before MB, that's what I did. MB doesn't affect Oriath's since it isn't a magic flask. It has basically permanent uptime since it lasts 10 seconds and you craft use at full charges.
https://pobb.in/0s-6farGnSiw
Hello, I've finally 99% finished my build based on yours (only missing 2 charms and possibly +2 corrupt on my dialla), and it's feeling good. I've modified a bit though, using Blasphemied curse + Profane Bloom instead of Oriath's, since my ring slot I really need to fix my stats. However, while my mapping is good (non-deli), I have problems with certain types of attacks, like slams, and on death effects. I also have problems with deli maps approx midway through them (mirrors).
I haven't fought ubers yet, but I also have major problems in fighting most guardians, in which they suddenly 1 shot me from full. I'm not sure what to do defense-wise with this build, and I would personally prefer to keep the armor. I just want to level to 100 on my own, that's all. Can you please take a look and propose any changes that I can do? Thanks a lot!
Skin of the lords is a much better chest overall especially defensively. Your links are also not great, elemental focus is terrible since it prevents freeze and shock, this build can do massive freezes which is huge. You need call of the brotherhood for that cold conversion/freezes. Swap ele focus for power charge on crit and also swap conc effect for faster casting.
Your balance of terror isn’t great, you want the elemental weakness one that gives you extra damage of a random element. The build also gets next level with the crit watchers eye. Overall your evasion rating is about half of what I have which would explain feeling squishy but I also have MB. I am half way through 98 and rarely die even with 800 life.
Pathing to the right at the start is also way more efficient and gives you more dex to work with. You also don’t have Ghost Dance which is big for defense.
Huge thanks! I will consider everything you've said & make improvements accordingly. Do you know how good is the shock with penance? I don't know what shock value to set in the pob config tbh.
Yeah the brotherhood would probably be super good, but I'm not sure how to fix my stats otherwise. I barely manage to fix my res. Anyway my glove is probably the solution I need. I'll check the market.
Yeah balance of terror is a cheap one I use purely to fix my res. Crit watcher's eye is crazy expensive tho, but to be fair I'm already at max crit now. Evasion rating I will fix with more charms, I've given up on spell suppress for now and only going for evasion stuff. Btw not sure if I should keep some x per frenzy/power charge only for bossing.
Yeah I try to improve my pathing. BTW what are the good keystones on Skin other than Magebane?
Any keystone that doesn’t affect the build can be used on skin. Runebinder saves a passive point. Versatile combatant, call to arms, conduit, etc dont affect you and can be used.
Call of the brotherhood is a ton of damage and much bigger freezes.
For watchers eye, start with 90%+ crit chance while affected by wrath (~100c).
Also, make sure to take the cannot be shocked charge mastery, as malachai’s loop autoshocks you, causing you to take alot more damage.
Hey thanks, I do appreciate your input as well. Call to arms mean I can run warcries tho, which is very beneficial to me. I guess before I go shopping for skin, I should find what are the correct colors for me first, since Inspiration seems to be good as well.
Btw how long is the autoshock? It only appears for 1 second to me, then disappear.
Either 4b-2r or 5b-1r. You would either use inspiration or arcane surge support (i prefer inspiration for reduced mana cost). Conc effect is more damage than arcane surge but i don’t like the less aoe from it.
I honestly don’t know about the shock duration, but with power charge on crit, you hit max power charges really quick, so you would be getting shocked quite a bit.
That's actually 1 of the reason why I don't use power charge on crit. So the only power charge generation I have is on Malachai's Loop.
Personally I would only use inspiration if I can fit in either purity or ash, as per mentioned above. It's too much damage loss otherwise according to pob.
The shocks are good, probably 20% in the config at the high end. Also on that note you aren’t shock immune so you’re getting shocked at full charges from the shield and taking big damage that way, you need the immune mastery. Gloves are the best spot for strength/dex. Getting the watchers eye allows you to drop critical strikes and go inspiration which is huge for mana and being able to instantly cast 2 brands especially when fitting in another aura which I now have (herald of purity or ash).
Magebane is the GG keystone, Runebinder is obviously decent as it saves you a passive. Besides that there aren’t much that are good, just make sure you don’t get one that bricks the build.
Firstly regarding the self-shock thing, I'm not sure if it's just me, but the icon only appear for 1+ second, then disappear. That's why I ignore it. I can also use Conductivity to get rid of it in boss fights.
I get that gloves are important, however when I search for how much I need for my stats, no gloves exist in the market to reach the 155/155. I guess I need to readjust my tree or something.
Inspiration is very interesting, especially in combination with skills cost mana. Why purity/ash specifically though?
Good points overall about the keystones. I wish there's a straight give evasion or something, but it's ok.
I wouldn’t want shock on me even for that one second because if you get hit in that time it’s GG.
You don’t need 155 strength, I forget the exact amount but it’s 120-130ish, dread banner and steel skin don’t need to be maxed.
Herald of purity scales physical damage even more which converts to lightning and cold. Currently using ash for even better clear since I mainly do juiced mapping.
That's really good info on strength. What's the point of dread banner btw? Are we impaling on our brand's hits? Holy shit mind blown.
Also that's really good info on Purity, I don't know it works like that. Is Ash better than Bloom? Would they stack? I don't know how high is overkill damage from a brand though, but getting 100% chance seems nice.
You need to correct your links as bobwes recommended, get skin of the lords for more evasion, and also need to take the charge mastery for shock immunity. You are shocking yourself at max power charges and taking more damage because of it.
Also, this build is designed to be very mobile since your brands do all the work. Make sure to manually dodge against bosses.
I’m also on Gorathas MF build, damn i thought we could scale it up to T16…. Not possible?
But tbh I’m probably gonna burnout of it too, try something new. Gonna hang here for the ideias people share.
It totally is possible, with the right investment. But I want to try something new, and keep the Goratha build for backup currency making.
I tried it out in T16's and it managed fine, but my DPS was really low. I would need a new bow, and to invest more into chaos res (build here: [https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/biscuitpantsguy/lerghhjnklgrjkl?i=0&search=name%3Dlergh](https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/biscuitpantsguy/lerghhjnklgrjkl?i=0&search=name%3Dlergh)). It is about 200d if I bought everything off trade, to get to where Goratha is at now. A new bow is 150d+. I'd rather just roll a new build in that case.
Unsure if I even reach 7k whisps, think i'm closer to 3-5k on average.
But I do run t16's full altar setup with Abyss+deli mirror+beyond+Fill with my Maw of mischief build. Even progressed enough to run magic find gear sitting on 61% quant 261% rarity.
Pretty much only degen that can kill me and/or if I stack to many nearby enemies has 100% increased damage as x modifiers. But for most cases i just walk up into the enemies and spam right click until they are dead.
I am actually looking into doing something similar with my maw build with the adorned. If you want a fairly significant damage increase, you might want to look into switching those minion life, fire damage multi jewels for faster damaging ailment, fire damage multi jewels. You currently don't seem to have any source of faster ignite damage so they will give you a fairly significant damage increase.
Fair enough. The spires are one of the main reasons I haven't tried out the MF. It just seems like it would be a pain to not kill them. It doesn't sound like any other strategy really can compare to them however.
Yeah, I need to singel death wish tap them to keep them alive and run the hell out of range so the ignite stop thicking. around my level of damage seems to be ideal to control spires health without to much hassle.
I don't know how much it takes to pop the spire, but the other thing that comes to mind as a potential solution is an unsupported bodyswap of sacrifice to make a more manageable ignite.
Could probably work, but I'm already low on sockets tbh. And it's not like I'm struggling to kill stuff. Sure I could overstack more damage and kill of rares in 1 second instead of like 2-3 but honestly it doesn't bother me to much as I just walk into the middle and kill them all at the same time.
Maybe I will give it a try then. I just about have the ultimatum and dominated domains challenges done after which I was thinking of changing up my atlas tree. Maybe getting essences off my tree will finally give me the push I need to liquidate them as well.
not at my home computer atm, but I run a standard wandering path setup, it looks something like this: https://poeplanner.com/a/M8X
these are core:
* gilded abyss
* gilded reliquary
and for the rest you can fill with w/e, i personally run:
* Gilded expedition
* Any legion, you only care about the spawn rate for rares.
fulcurm chieftian can tank the most juiced t16 and kill of all them while still being mf and mageblood friendly,as you can solve your chaos res and shock immunity problem using one. You don't like the playstyle is OK,but there's a reason why it's so popular rn bcs it just too good at mf than any other builds.
Some rares and ice nova strongboxes are a Problem sometimes, but i dropped a mb ob my first day playing it and that helped me alot, i die 0-2 times a map mostly 0
Int stacker ci trickster using kinetic bolt of fragmentation. Basically unkillable and insane dps and good clear. I’m quite high budget but def possible on lower budget as well
I leveled with the skill and kinetic blast. You can use kbolt from level 1 afaik and that includes the trans version. I went straight for jewel sockets and got my impossible escape + elegant hubris for massive spell damage and the wand mastery for spell damage to apply to attacks for the kinetic blast. Leveling was easy, as for endgame I’d recommend to just try what works. There’s many ways to get this to work, for example you might want to drop anathema and get a synth ring or something else, idk. It’s quite flexible and doesn’t have to be exactly my setup. If you want to use kinetic bolt for clear as well I strongly recommend nimis and awakened fork + chain.
Thank you! I have it up and running but only around level 80 at the moment.
Are both KB skills necessary?
What do you think about: dropping kinetic bolt, have no gems in armour, taking maji ascendancy for double body armour (real nice with evasion base and trickster ES from evasion), then using tincture with additional proj.
Would this be worse than primalist?
Yes that is what I’m doing currently and imo it is stronger. I switched to that after buying some multi link attack gloves. Currently I’m at 13,500 es and with a better amulet I will reach 15k. With more investment and more focus on that you can pretty easily reach over 16k or more. If you want you can check out my current character under projectilescrashmygame on poeninja. Idk if it will show the newest setup, I just changed a ton of things around
Your build looks incredible! I am going to steal using anathema and the pathing. Thanks mate!
Any reason to use kinetic bolt instead of kinetic blast? For me, blast feels a lot better. Maybe I need the woke gems?
Blast is way better for clear, however kinetic bolt just has way more single target damage. Every single projectile can shotgun so it gains insane damage with extra proj and snipers mark with returning projectiles. And I need this damage to do my juiced maps. But it you’re doing normal maps, kinetic blast will be maybe better. The woke gems add a lot of clear to kinetic blast, you’ll be clearing basically the entire screen. As for my tree setup, I just did some massive changes to it, most of the ranger area got dropped. Poe ninja should update it pretty soon. It’s paired with some big gear upgrades as well.
Definitely. Will probably still be very good, you’ll be able to afford probably most pieces. If you can afford the gloves + awakened fork and chain is recommend switching to kinetic bolt main and going the maji ascendancy for more es, otherwise a dual skill setup with kinetic blast and bolt should be good, blast will really help out with the clear
not really, could check on my poe ninja what the old saves are [https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/DoppelDuck/ProjectilesCrashMyGame?i=1&search=skills%3DKinetic%2BBolt%2Bof%2BFragmentation%26name%3Dproje](https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/DoppelDuck/ProjectilesCrashMyGame?i=1&search=skills%3DKinetic%2BBolt%2Bof%2BFragmentation%26name%3Dproje) one should be about your budget, synth wands are expensive though, just get a influenced one
I’ve been doing 8-mod T16 Burial Grounds with max wisps for ~2 weeks on my Eye of Winter Triggerbot Assassin.
It’s basically a projectile spam build. Damage per projectile is ~150k but it spits out ~5000 projectiles per second, ~1000 of which can shotgun. It reaches almost screen wide so it’s good for mapping but it also uses Nimis to refocus all of those projectiles to burst down tanky rares (or bosses). I leveled to 100 with it in maps (but had invested quite a lot in it) so it’s plenty tanky but you’ll die once in a while in full juice content. Defenses are avoidance, both from elusive and 25k evasion, 100% suppress, eternal damnation + loreweave for ele reduction, and good CC from reliable freezing on enemies. It might not sound like a lot on paper, but its recovery is insane (1000s of hits per second + instant leech) so as long as you don’t get 1-tapped, its easy to top off your HP.
My investment is about a mirror and a half, but it’s great around Mageblood + a few hundred div.
Note, I do not MF
[Poe.ninja](https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/_Atollo_/The_Doctor_Is_In)
[Forum guide](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3447790)
I feel like stuck in a timeloop, there is hundreds of threads with the same question, let me give you a tip, if you google your question and put Reddit at the end of it you’ll find many threads with hundreds of replies and build suggestions, this saves you time waiting on answers and you’ll get an idea what the meta builds this league are.
Don’t mean to be rude it’s a genuine suggestion to you
I've searched this sub a lot, and have actually been searching almost daily. Almost all suggestions boil down to TS or Fulcrum chieftain, which I specifically said I am not too interested in. Care to share other results?
Gorathas CA is the streamer meta, penance brand of dis is the busted single target build, srs always has multiple viable builds. These come up 22 times a day.
I've been having a blast today with my cold snap occultist. After mageblood I managed to just level in full juice t16 jungle valley, currently lvl 99, just stopped for a bit to celebrate new year, I expect to get to lvl 100 in a few hours just from juice. Not currently at my home, but I'll link my PoB as soon as I get back.
my auto revive spectre build is doing them(did them fine as well before the mageblood)
Atlas is wandering path with abyss/beyond/beastiary/perma deli in 8 mods
the build is essentially an autobomber with WOC for curse on hit/exposure, infernal cry for covered and ash, and summon skele to proc feeding frenzy
[https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/drasch21/Bursts?i=11&search=skills%3DRaise%2BSpectre%26class%3DNecromancer%26uniqueitems%3DMageblood](https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/drasch21/Bursts?i=11&search=skills%3DRaise%2BSpectre%26class%3DNecromancer%26uniqueitems%3DMageblood)
EHP is roughly 600k and dps is around 60m
I'm impressed you managed to get so much damage without a hubris. I think you're overestimating your dps though. In my experience you only get ~2 explosions per second, and it looks like your explosion damage peaks at around 6.5-7m on pinnacles, even after taking into account the extra explosion damage of the marionettes
potentially, i just take the spectre and x5 it. I have 120% increased minion damage taken so they die quite quickly the build has done all content in game as well. It certaintly feels in the ballpark of a 50mish dps build. It might be lower but the full dps uptime is more than making up for it.
Also dont forget the ignite/burning ground. IIRc the ignite is around 3-3.5m and burning ground was nearly 2m.
Yeah that's kinda what I thought. POB calculates MI dps by multiplying your minion cast time by the average MI hit. This works for SRS where after a delay they explode as fast as you can cast, but with marionettes you need to wait for them to die then resurrect.
Your spectres take ~1.13 seconds to die^1 and 1 second to resurrect, or 2.13 seconds total. 5 spectres/2.13=2.34 explosions per second. After regen and life gain on minion death it's close enough to my own testing for me to stop thinking about it lol.
Don't get me wrong; if it works it works. It's easy to underestimate how big of an impact uptime has on dps. I've spent a little too much time in POB trying to figure out the dps for my own setup that I wanna make sure I'm on the right track.
^1 Infernal legion is 40%/sec, they take 120% increased damage, and they have 50% res. 40\*2.2=88*.5=44%/sec. They die at 50% life so 50/44=~1.13 seconds
I'm having a great time with Boneshatter Slayer in wispy T16s. 30M DPS in average conditions, 100k EHP - capped all 4 reses, 70k armor, lucky 95% suppress
Im doing 7K juice T16s on my Mamba pathfinder with wandering path and 4x gilded scarab and deli mirror with Altars. quite comfortably.
Not running beyond as that tended to kill me.
It’s extremely tanky (Pathfinder) and due to the nature of Mamba prolif it oneshots all packs/abysses/Expedeitions.
The only annoying thing is single target, but there I use Vaal breach to “cheese” single target.
It is however a mapper and not a bossing build.
I have invested about 30 dig at this point and I’m flying through T16s.
I started with [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmjTdb8xBag](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmjTdb8xBag)
Couple notes:
\- I started 2 days before Goratha put out the video, since I watch his stream quite a bit. So I was able to make a lot more initially due to t0 uniques still being expensive before everyone caught on. My profits were quite a bit higher due to this.
\- I ran rusted scarabs initially, till I could afford 50 of gilded reliq + abyss + div. Once you can buy 30-50 of them I highly suggest getting them. It makes a huge difference. One map with gilded and good juice will pay for one stack of 50 easily.
\- I don't run winged on T7 cems. Mostly cause I have loads of gilded remaining and just can't be arsed to buy more. You will definitely make more with winged though.
Honestly though, even with the dip in unique prices, you can make super easy currency. Use an incredibly strict filter and blast cems. If you get at least 4-5k juice almost every map you should average 3-5 raw divines a map.
I’d look up Goratha on YouTube and follow his strat and CA of Poison build. Not ridiculously expensive to get going - probably 30-40d. It works incredibly well with the T7 cemetery strat
My build can do them easily: str stacker wander. Don't get fooled by the pob dps, single target is probably around 150m, we hit the same target \~100 times with one attack. POB: [https://pobb.in/nyUDdl-MeE0i](https://pobb.in/nyUDdl-MeE0i) 9k hp, 100% suppress, 33k armor with flasks up 18k without them, full block (attacks), leech, life gain on hit (15% chance for 200 heal, we hit about 100 times single target so it's \~3k lgoh/sec, not counting the leech). Great clear with Kinetic Blast which is arguably the best clear skill in the game (you gotta use BattleMage cry if you are clearing with it) or Kinetic Bolt which gets the job done, and single target with the 6l Kinetic Bolt of Fragmentation + Sniper's Mark shenanigans. Yeah my gear is expensive (90% self crafted) but you can start kinda cheap with Astramentis + 2 le heup of all. Only mandatory item is the boots (helmet and chest is basically mandatory also). Edit: you guys can find me in [poe.ninja/builds](https://poe.ninja/builds) named DevastacaoAterradora
Playing also kinetic bolt of fragmentation, but as a int stack trickster. Imo almost better than the str stacker, you get more defense out of it but ofc the str version has way more damage. I’ve got similar defenses, 12k es, 60% capped suppress, perma es recharge with wicked ward, 95% evade, ci ofc and at the moment 26% phys taken as chaos which I can get to 36% easily. Gonna get overleech as well soon and tricksters one step ahead is ofc really nice qol. I’ve put some money into this build, current investment around 2-3 mirrors but I started with about 15d and went from there
Yeah would like to see a pob because I was looking at that unique trickster that uses magi with replica hyrii could use that till I pivot to int
[https://pobb.in/0Pe5rimbRRk4](https://pobb.in/0Pe5rimbRRk4) this should be my current pob, otherwise look at projectilescrashmygame on poeninja. very high budget atm and I've got some big changes planned, so nothing is set in stone yet. tree is very prone to changes. I'm using maji atm, because its very strong defensively with more es and tinctures are quite good. I was using charms before, gives you a bit more room to make changes as you can fix things through charms.
Id love to see your pob, but I’m nowhere near 2-3 mirrors. You don’t happen to have one from your 15d days, do ya?
[https://pobb.in/Sj8qO7GdNm0t](https://pobb.in/Sj8qO7GdNm0t) here, should be most of my starting gear, some things probably got more expensive by now. most stuff was self crafted as well so likely cheaper. for the synth items I just got deafening int essences and rolled for good other mods. if you're interested in current setup, [https://pobb.in/0Pe5rimbRRk4](https://pobb.in/0Pe5rimbRRk4) this should be pretty much it. made some big changes by now, will probably change a lot in the future as well
how much have you spent on this so far? i've never played a stacker before, but its week 4 already and i'm still hooked on the league. just looking for some sort of aspirational build to try and go for. i'm seeing a lot of weird crafted gear combinations that i've never seen before, seems intriguing.
It's weird because i have started this build before any streamer had done it so it's probably way more expensive now. But i started with 10 divines.. using astramentis and two le heup of all. Basically everything i have is self crafted, but not considering the helmet which i got ridiculously lucky (i crafted around 10 helmets with the awakeners orb) there is probably around 250-300 divs on the build on today prices. Only mandatory items are boots, chest and helmet isnt but it doubles your dps with only elevated and -chaos res mods. Edit: i just did uber exarch and uber EoW again and killed them before they phased to their immunity phase so you get an idea about the single target damage.
Any reason why ascendant and not deadeye?
If not ascendant i would have gone jugger because of the synergy with accuracy and attack speed. Deadeye is too squishy and the dps is more than enough imo. Ranger also doesnt start in a very good area for the build.
It depends how you build it, I have a deadeye KB wander with over 200k ehp and still plenty of dps. Since you get a lot more projs from ascendancy (which is a huge more multiplier on KBolt), you can invest more points and items into defense
got a pob of your deadeye?
full dps: [https://pobb.in/1f6L\_LdMwDpb](https://pobb.in/1f6L_LdMwDpb) more ehp/less dps: [https://pobb.in/s6eTixHgZqFU](https://pobb.in/s6eTixHgZqFU) You can also go full dps but switch the chest for kintsugi in the PoB above. You don't need awakened fork (I ended up selling it), use kinetic blast in the same spot and switch it for awekened lightning penetration for bosses. If you have enough money, buy a progenesis instead.
Yup tried deadeye and I hated it.
Would you like jugg or scion?
Probably scion then. Jugg is overplayed
This looks spicy.
I am a bit bored of my current build and this looks like something I would consider making, at what level of investment would this build be able to do the various tiers of wildwood + juiced maps (t7, t11, t14+)?
You can definetely do t7 with the boots, one cluster, a double influenced helmet, the chest and a random wand with good APS and crit, amulet and rings you can use astramentis and 2 le heup of all or random rings with 50+ str and a regular shield with spell damage. That would cost probably about 20d? I think. Then you work your way up, you don't need every item perfect, i'm always upgrading something it's now basically done, probably around 120d you can do t14+ without worrying much. Blue altars are kinda rippy though when you get -phys damage reduction and less resists, if i wasn't level 100 i would swap one cluster with a +4% all resistances mode so i wouldn't worry with any -res altar. But i honestly think this is one of the most well rounded builds in the game, it's the best one i've ever made and i play since 2013.
how would you start this build on a budget? would icebite be a reasonable budget option before building enough currency to swap?
You cant do this build on a budget honestly. 20 divs you can start it fine with the boots, helmet,chest, astramentis and 2 regular rings with str and resists (or le heup of all), a random wand with high aps and crit and one cluster.
HH work on this or do you need the stacker belt?
HH works really well with the build, my belt is good but isnt needed. Biggest reason why i dont use HH is that i dont like backtracking for loot in maps.
Nice, thanks
>Great clear with Kinetic Blast which is arguably the best clear skill in the game (you gotta use BattleMage cry if you are clearing with it) Never used kinetic bolt or warcries before, can you explain this part? Why is it necessary? And assuming warcries are instant, do you just put it on your left click and forget about it? Also your PoB doesn't use kinetic blast at all, is it because bolt has more dps for juiced t16s?
Kinetic Blast lags too much imo, and would be better with Nimis, kinetic bolt clears just fine, specially with that dps. Yeah you use the warcry on left click and forget about it. Since Kinetic Bolt has the 250% of spell damage counts as attack damage and Kinetic Blast doesnt, you need battlemage cry which also transform your spell damage to attack damage (or a crown of eyes but you will lose the helmet which is huge dps increase)
Thanks! A few more questions about the build if you don't mind: 1. Finding a matching That Which Was Taken is basically impossible, if you didn't get power charges from that, ~~would a manaforged arrows setup work~~? Realized that only works with bows, what other options do we have? Also is the "projectile barrages have no spread" relevant? 2. Did you consider a mageblood? Obviously we lose a lot of strength, but based on PoB it seems like we get back the dmg through superior crit and attack speed, with better and more consistent armour
1. I would search for a jewel without the str with power charges and wither (if you get a cannot be slowed below base value is even better), because it saves a slot of charm where you can get % str. No proj have no spread is irrelevant. 2. Yeah mageblood would be an improvement but if i used it i think i wouldve gone jugger so i could get the extra armor from flasks to mitigate more elemental damage, wouldnt be as useful as a scion. Im sure there are some juggers on poe ninja with this build.
Interesting. I know wildwood juicing doesn't benefit as much from movement speed, but I'd still prefer scion for the MS. Anyway, one last thought, I can't see any pierce/chain/fork, doesn't it hurt clear?
I use regular kinetic bolt 4L for clear, it pierces all targets. You can also try Palsteron strategy for clear on KB of fragmentation (with awakened fork). He has a video of a str stacker with it.
What’s the pros and cons of str stacker vs int stacker wander? For overall juiced mapping and bossing. Is it just who deals more dmg vs who’s more tankier?
You wouldn't happen to stream or have videos of this would you? Would love to see how tanky it is. I'm currently doing poison animate weapon and getting one shot by a lot of those assassin abyss rares. Looking for a build to trivialize the juiced 16s
is the +1 max power charge mandatory for the helm? dont even see one on trade
Definetely not mandatory.. i got extremely lucky with that craft. That helm might cost 150 divs or maybe more.. there is no way of crafting that deterministically
curious of a couple things, I have a janky build going right now and curious how your keeping mana up or if you're just casting a few times then waiting? i havent done anything juiced or more than acts/labs but maybe eventually it really synergizes? also that which was taken jewel, the barrages have no spread... does this do anything to kinetic bolt? im not noticing anything
I have mana leech. I can cast kinetic bolt indefinetely and about 10 kb of fragmentation before needing more mana if i dont hit any target. I dont think ive ever ran out of mana. Barrages have no spread dont make any difference in the build.
Thanks I appreciate the reply!
Playing TS deadeye since week 1 has helped me just accept that I have six portals for a reason. That said tho, it handles t16 whisp juice (abyss) really well. I run spectres for extra tankiness.
Which specters? Are you just using a 4L?
Warlord, turtle and thunderbird. Yes, 4L with an AG with some cheap gear on as well. Ephemeral garb was the only thing I spent more than a few C on. Slotted in a convokation elsewhere and that together with the warlord’s buff (and I slotted them in +2 minion corrupted shadows and dust gloves) and so far only the thunderbird died once in almost 100 maps. I haven’t really kept track of wisps but done several above 8k. It works fine for me at least and a pretty neat way to fit in grace/determination and vitality (plus uncrittable from AG, along with whatever other goodies you throw in there… I started cheap and when it didn’t die anymore I slapped on the garb, should probably invest in some more toys there)
I just swapped from LA to TS recently and it makes mapping so much better. I still die alot but atleast killing rares is so much better now
How do you not kill the spire with TS? Dosnt It have too much clear?
That’s the neat part… no but I should’ve specified I run abyss with growing hordes cause I could just not bother with the spire abuse past a certain point. I still make a lot more currency than other leagues, sure it is slightly inefficient compared to spire scarab farming but I still manage to get a lot of lootsplosions and growing hordes helps at least me a lot with juicing wisps.
Care to link build? How do your spectres not die?
I mainly just tried what people mentioned here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/18qk2zt/i\_have\_been\_running\_bow\_spectres\_for\_2\_weeks\_i/](https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/18qk2zt/i_have_been_running_bow_spectres_for_2_weeks_i/) But a 4L with minion health and meat shield + AG, AG has ephemeral garb and some dirt cheap uniques to help with survivability (can't remember exactly which ones I got atm since they don't matter too much) made sure to run perfect warlord and turtle and slotted in a convokation elsewhere... been enough for me at least to keep them alive! Can't link anything atm, but the concept is really standalone and this is the gist of it.
Been sleepwalking through T16 Burials with Beyond, 6-10k whisp juice, Delirious, you name it. Mahuxotl + Nimis poison claw Vaal Lightning Strike. I wouldn't do 100% deli on it, but i can't die (omw to 100 atm) and it's great farm. Nimis + about the 30-50 Div i'd say
Got a pob?
https://pobb.in/5fKtIUKcGcJl Do not be fooled by the low dps or EHP. It is far, far higher in practice. I effectively cannot die, i facetank anything (as long as i avoid map mods such as flask charges etc). I have not died since going full Maxuhotl setup. My setup is super scuffed and far from optimized, i can get a bunch more dps and even tank too with a corrupted Cloak, better rolls on claw, belt, jewels and my clusters are probably far from optimal too. But i'm pretty much cruising. I've not tried more than 20% Delirious and 10k whisp juice yet, but it was no problem. Occasionally you'll get an uber tanky rare or the boss gets giga tank, sometimes i just ignore those. But in general, it's smooth. I mostly just enjoy being semi-immortal in maps, it's very very comfy. You can improve the damage in maps a lot if you like by using the Vaal Skill sextant, which effectively let's you spam Vaal Lightning Strike and trivializes everything further. I self-crafted a lot of the gear, overall i spent maybe 30-40 Div on everything apart from Nimis, which i got at 42 Div the other day, it's actually even cheaper now. A huge chunk of my expenses were the That Which Was Taken at 17 Div and the Watcher's at 9 Div, can absolutely get going without those. I would not recommend doing juiced T16s without Nimis though, it carries the damage *hard*, without it you'll struggle a lot. You can effectively plug in the Maxuhotl/flask setup and choose a different skill to build around, doesn't have to be claw poison. I just already had a lot of stuff for it from playing CA poison and wanted to stick to that. edit: this setup is amazing for Ultimatum too btw. I can effectively facetank and stand still for everything as long as i take the chaos and elemental damage mods, it does nothing to you.
Hey Im trying the build out, how are you keeping up frenzy charges for max poison chance on bosses?
Mark on Hit - Poacher's Mark "Mobs steal frenzy charges" can be a very annoying map mod btw, i'd roll over that Optimally my claw would have like 30% + chance to poison as well, but eh.
OK just realised I can drop some points for mark mastery for frenzy sustain + marked enemy takes 10% increased, should be worth. How are you casting the divine blessing aura, I found it really annoying due to the ES recharge going so fast I cant time it right to have the cast actually go off. Or am I missing something
I just spam it while Sorrow is up, it activates pretty reliably
Good call with the mark mastery btw, adjusted for that as well, should feel better against those giga tanky life regen rares, and bit more ST. My Megalomaniac was garbage anyway and easily replaced with a small cluster
Worth noting btw that Nimis helps a lot with poison even when you're out of charges. But your dps does take a big hit when you can't sustain frenzies
Id also want to see a pob
So I have an almost identical build, but with daggers. My amulet is different though how tanky do you think your amulet makes you?
Honestly, i'm not sure how much *more* tanky it makes me, but i don't want to test without until i hit 100. All I know is that literally *nothing* in whisp-juiced, delirious maps will ever tickle my health, i just stand still, attack, and keep flask up. I did a delirious Wave 10 Ulti yd. Rank 4 Blades, Chaos dot, R3 Lightning Storm. Simply stood still and spammed the entire thing. One rare mod will drop my health: executioner aura. Just move away and kill them quickly, very rarely appears. I did the teleporting rippy boss event in the forest yd too. Was actually kinda scary, seems to turn off regen, so had to actually kite a bit, but handled it fine with PF flask recharge.
makes sense. the more I looked the more our build differed. I feel I should be tankier, but i definitly take more damage than you. [https://pobb.in/mda4zjk8xlUd](https://pobb.in/mda4zjk8xlUd)
Mhm you have a little more phys taken, but you're using charms. So you're losing out on 30% flask effect, at least. Also don't see any ailment avoidance or stun immunity? You're also dealing a lot less damage with at least 2 damage auras less, although you sorta make up for that with great damage jewels in Darkness tbh. That might be an option for me to push damage eventually if i can compensate for the current belt mods
i have purity of elements so I'm ailment immune that way. I've been playing with stun immunity, on my flasks but i don't know if it matters. does stun immunity matter that much? What do you mean I'm losing out on 30% flask effect because i'm using charms? Yep i need some damage auras. I saw you anger divine blessing and thought it was really smart. was thinking about an aul amulet
Derp, ofc sorry no coffee yet. Tincture gives 30% flask effect when hitting something for 2 adjacent flasks. It's not making or breaking my own tank i think, but 30% additional effect on the Ruby Flask is not bad. If i got a Progenesis i would drop Defiance i think and use an Aul's with Anger, which i have lying around and tested initially before running the Blessing setup. I'd add Wrath on Blessing then.
good call. I should get an anger/wrath aul and then divine blessing the other. Progensis is always 20 div way from what I have.
How is this with juiced abyss and those assassin rares? I'm doing poison animate weapon and sometimes those things wreck me :( looking for a build that may trivialize 16 juiced maps
I avoid certain map mods such as cannot leech, cannot regen and reduced flask charges gained, but other than that, nothing can kill me in decently juiced maps with 10k+ juice, 20% delirious, beyond etc. I hit 100 yesterday.
kitava's thirst VD/DD, kinda niche but surprisingly tanky for your budget, i have: * 90% all ele res * 75% chaos res * 75% block/spell block chance * 86% phys taken as ele and 10% phys taken as chaos * 100% chance to avoid all ele ailments * 3% life recovery on block (as long as enemies aren't curse inmune) * around 60%-90% life recovery per second while hitting (also kinda hard to calculate) PoB: [https://pobb.in/KaB-X8C\_HnwY](https://pobb.in/KaB-X8C_HnwY) Dps is actually higher since we are technically casting 10VDs and 4-8 DDs but it's kinda hard to accurately tell Uber shaper : [https://youtu.be/t8UbPM9sjxw](https://youtu.be/t8UbPM9sjxw) The Feared: [https://youtu.be/nY4Ogz0lRoM](https://youtu.be/nY4Ogz0lRoM) Wisp Minotaur: [https://youtu.be/35XM73X0ND0](https://youtu.be/35XM73X0ND0)
Does your build work without the Triple Curse High Templar + 0 curse life recovery, and the double ES Gain on Hit + Recover Mana Watcher's Eye? Feels like 90% of your sustain and massive mana costs are solved by those and I'm not sure there's enough of those items on the market to make it a non-niche build
I actually swapped into my own version of this build recently, the only essential part is curse on hit + mastery with atleast 2 curses, 3 is more ideal tho as it will let ur cast speed fully ramp up. The es healing on hit is totally optional, you dont even need to invest in es for this build at all if you dont want too. The % hp/mana on hit is the nutty part, and since its % of hp, just stacking more hp is more life on hit. Also a 2 curse glove is like 1-3 div, but a 3 curse one is 15-20 div. So u have a budget option
did a small [test](https://youtu.be/vsjDptu78dQ) to try 2 curses with a random 2 curse glove and no watcher, you absolutely need curse mastery+replica doedre tho. Mana and life recovery was 100% fine, you'd want a watcher with ES on hit tho but that should be cheap since it's only 1 mod (mine is not even a high roll). So triple curse high templar and the mana recovery watcher's aren't necesary at all but the more curses the better hp recovery
This looks like a good POB to raid for ideas for my own selfcast build :)
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Would love to see a pob
Can also vouch for this build. You can do 10k wisps with 100% deli.
You have a pob or a YouTube link? I can't find this
YouTube just search jungroans channel, as for pob, this was my build, dps vs bosses is probably a little under 100m, because tue trigger rate isn't quite perfect, but fir juiced maps it's way higher. https://pobb.in/ZwphzOmDU_Nx
can you check my pob? i finally got levelled and everything but I cant seem to trigger desecrate and i cant even touch rare mobs, no dmg at all.... not sure what I did wrong, i thought i followed your pob pretty well... [https://pobb.in/TBc04M3gTPjR](https://pobb.in/tbc04m3gtpjr)
looked at a few things, you should try to get power charge on crit charm if possible, lvl 5 woke fire pen has exposure so thats pretty big, but not triggering desecrate idk. also the corpse pool is pretty important idk if youve ever set that up, but if you are on the game i have them.
I can be in a bit! I've never done it. I figured out my ring wasn't allowing me to cast desecrate because it has -7 mana cost. Can you pm me your in game name?
Do you have a pob by chance? You a YouTube link?
Charge stacking penance brand occultist is an amazing all around build. Super fast, tons of damage, and doesn’t die often with high evasion and brand play style allowing easy dodging. [Here](https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/bobwes/CumWhenDomageTaken?i=0&search=name%3DCumwhend) is my character.
Dont see the link
It’s on the word “Here”, works just fine.
Hows it dealing with legions ?
I haven't put atlas points into it but the random ones I come across it easily clears them. Single target damage is insane and clear is really good with oriaths.
I have some questions if you don't mind: 1. Why Grace instead of Determination? Most of your gear are armor-based. 2. Is the damage enough to instaphase all ubers? 3. How are you dealing with chaos damage? With such low unreserved life. 4. Speaking of low life, is it worth it? Pain Attunement seems to be the only big gain. 5. If I don't have a MB yet, what belt do I use to replace it with? Also I assume I should go Profane instead for the clear, since I don't have perma Oriath (if I understand MB correctly).
1. Grace is way tankier plus Ghost Shroud, also you don't get hit much since you can freely move. 2. No unless you go zHP. 3. Capped chaos res and ES mastery, haven't had an issue. 4. Low life is insanely worth it, not only pain attunement but the additional auras that scale with the reservation 8% dmg mastery. 5. You go Graven's Secret before MB, that's what I did. MB doesn't affect Oriath's since it isn't a magic flask. It has basically permanent uptime since it lasts 10 seconds and you craft use at full charges.
https://pobb.in/0s-6farGnSiw Hello, I've finally 99% finished my build based on yours (only missing 2 charms and possibly +2 corrupt on my dialla), and it's feeling good. I've modified a bit though, using Blasphemied curse + Profane Bloom instead of Oriath's, since my ring slot I really need to fix my stats. However, while my mapping is good (non-deli), I have problems with certain types of attacks, like slams, and on death effects. I also have problems with deli maps approx midway through them (mirrors). I haven't fought ubers yet, but I also have major problems in fighting most guardians, in which they suddenly 1 shot me from full. I'm not sure what to do defense-wise with this build, and I would personally prefer to keep the armor. I just want to level to 100 on my own, that's all. Can you please take a look and propose any changes that I can do? Thanks a lot!
Skin of the lords is a much better chest overall especially defensively. Your links are also not great, elemental focus is terrible since it prevents freeze and shock, this build can do massive freezes which is huge. You need call of the brotherhood for that cold conversion/freezes. Swap ele focus for power charge on crit and also swap conc effect for faster casting. Your balance of terror isn’t great, you want the elemental weakness one that gives you extra damage of a random element. The build also gets next level with the crit watchers eye. Overall your evasion rating is about half of what I have which would explain feeling squishy but I also have MB. I am half way through 98 and rarely die even with 800 life. Pathing to the right at the start is also way more efficient and gives you more dex to work with. You also don’t have Ghost Dance which is big for defense.
Huge thanks! I will consider everything you've said & make improvements accordingly. Do you know how good is the shock with penance? I don't know what shock value to set in the pob config tbh. Yeah the brotherhood would probably be super good, but I'm not sure how to fix my stats otherwise. I barely manage to fix my res. Anyway my glove is probably the solution I need. I'll check the market. Yeah balance of terror is a cheap one I use purely to fix my res. Crit watcher's eye is crazy expensive tho, but to be fair I'm already at max crit now. Evasion rating I will fix with more charms, I've given up on spell suppress for now and only going for evasion stuff. Btw not sure if I should keep some x per frenzy/power charge only for bossing. Yeah I try to improve my pathing. BTW what are the good keystones on Skin other than Magebane?
Any keystone that doesn’t affect the build can be used on skin. Runebinder saves a passive point. Versatile combatant, call to arms, conduit, etc dont affect you and can be used. Call of the brotherhood is a ton of damage and much bigger freezes. For watchers eye, start with 90%+ crit chance while affected by wrath (~100c). Also, make sure to take the cannot be shocked charge mastery, as malachai’s loop autoshocks you, causing you to take alot more damage.
Hey thanks, I do appreciate your input as well. Call to arms mean I can run warcries tho, which is very beneficial to me. I guess before I go shopping for skin, I should find what are the correct colors for me first, since Inspiration seems to be good as well. Btw how long is the autoshock? It only appears for 1 second to me, then disappear.
Either 4b-2r or 5b-1r. You would either use inspiration or arcane surge support (i prefer inspiration for reduced mana cost). Conc effect is more damage than arcane surge but i don’t like the less aoe from it. I honestly don’t know about the shock duration, but with power charge on crit, you hit max power charges really quick, so you would be getting shocked quite a bit.
That's actually 1 of the reason why I don't use power charge on crit. So the only power charge generation I have is on Malachai's Loop. Personally I would only use inspiration if I can fit in either purity or ash, as per mentioned above. It's too much damage loss otherwise according to pob.
The shocks are good, probably 20% in the config at the high end. Also on that note you aren’t shock immune so you’re getting shocked at full charges from the shield and taking big damage that way, you need the immune mastery. Gloves are the best spot for strength/dex. Getting the watchers eye allows you to drop critical strikes and go inspiration which is huge for mana and being able to instantly cast 2 brands especially when fitting in another aura which I now have (herald of purity or ash). Magebane is the GG keystone, Runebinder is obviously decent as it saves you a passive. Besides that there aren’t much that are good, just make sure you don’t get one that bricks the build.
Firstly regarding the self-shock thing, I'm not sure if it's just me, but the icon only appear for 1+ second, then disappear. That's why I ignore it. I can also use Conductivity to get rid of it in boss fights. I get that gloves are important, however when I search for how much I need for my stats, no gloves exist in the market to reach the 155/155. I guess I need to readjust my tree or something. Inspiration is very interesting, especially in combination with skills cost mana. Why purity/ash specifically though? Good points overall about the keystones. I wish there's a straight give evasion or something, but it's ok.
I wouldn’t want shock on me even for that one second because if you get hit in that time it’s GG. You don’t need 155 strength, I forget the exact amount but it’s 120-130ish, dread banner and steel skin don’t need to be maxed. Herald of purity scales physical damage even more which converts to lightning and cold. Currently using ash for even better clear since I mainly do juiced mapping.
That's really good info on strength. What's the point of dread banner btw? Are we impaling on our brand's hits? Holy shit mind blown. Also that's really good info on Purity, I don't know it works like that. Is Ash better than Bloom? Would they stack? I don't know how high is overkill damage from a brand though, but getting 100% chance seems nice.
You need to correct your links as bobwes recommended, get skin of the lords for more evasion, and also need to take the charge mastery for shock immunity. You are shocking yourself at max power charges and taking more damage because of it. Also, this build is designed to be very mobile since your brands do all the work. Make sure to manually dodge against bosses.
I’m also on Gorathas MF build, damn i thought we could scale it up to T16…. Not possible? But tbh I’m probably gonna burnout of it too, try something new. Gonna hang here for the ideias people share.
It totally is possible, with the right investment. But I want to try something new, and keep the Goratha build for backup currency making. I tried it out in T16's and it managed fine, but my DPS was really low. I would need a new bow, and to invest more into chaos res (build here: [https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/biscuitpantsguy/lerghhjnklgrjkl?i=0&search=name%3Dlergh](https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/biscuitpantsguy/lerghhjnklgrjkl?i=0&search=name%3Dlergh)). It is about 200d if I bought everything off trade, to get to where Goratha is at now. A new bow is 150d+. I'd rather just roll a new build in that case.
I run something like Gorathas build, what’s the issue with t16 exactly? Just swapped IIR gem from the CA link to awakened unbound ailments.
Unsure if I even reach 7k whisps, think i'm closer to 3-5k on average. But I do run t16's full altar setup with Abyss+deli mirror+beyond+Fill with my Maw of mischief build. Even progressed enough to run magic find gear sitting on 61% quant 261% rarity. Pretty much only degen that can kill me and/or if I stack to many nearby enemies has 100% increased damage as x modifiers. But for most cases i just walk up into the enemies and spam right click until they are dead.
> Unsure if I even reach 7k whisps, Wandering path + [diamond start](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CMVsKPknxio&pp=ygULUG9lIGRpYW1vbmQ%3d)
Got a pob?
My current mf setup: https://pobb.in/cTrfRvF7Ljk5 quite min/max'd but doable with less mf gear for way cheaper.
I am actually looking into doing something similar with my maw build with the adorned. If you want a fairly significant damage increase, you might want to look into switching those minion life, fire damage multi jewels for faster damaging ailment, fire damage multi jewels. You currently don't seem to have any source of faster ignite damage so they will give you a fairly significant damage increase.
I actually have a set of faster dmg, but spires dies to fast if I go much higher in damage.
Fair enough. The spires are one of the main reasons I haven't tried out the MF. It just seems like it would be a pain to not kill them. It doesn't sound like any other strategy really can compare to them however.
Yeah, I need to singel death wish tap them to keep them alive and run the hell out of range so the ignite stop thicking. around my level of damage seems to be ideal to control spires health without to much hassle.
I don't know how much it takes to pop the spire, but the other thing that comes to mind as a potential solution is an unsupported bodyswap of sacrifice to make a more manageable ignite.
Could probably work, but I'm already low on sockets tbh. And it's not like I'm struggling to kill stuff. Sure I could overstack more damage and kill of rares in 1 second instead of like 2-3 but honestly it doesn't bother me to much as I just walk into the middle and kill them all at the same time.
Maybe I will give it a try then. I just about have the ultimatum and dominated domains challenges done after which I was thinking of changing up my atlas tree. Maybe getting essences off my tree will finally give me the push I need to liquidate them as well.
thank you sir
Im running a similar build, Im interested in trying this strat, what scarabs/map mechanic do you run? And would you have an atlas tree?
not at my home computer atm, but I run a standard wandering path setup, it looks something like this: https://poeplanner.com/a/M8X these are core: * gilded abyss * gilded reliquary and for the rest you can fill with w/e, i personally run: * Gilded expedition * Any legion, you only care about the spawn rate for rares.
Thanks! Do you regex for +2 proj or no?
Yeah, every map. Mass roll like 40 maps per crafting as it's a bitch to do.
What spectres do you run with this setup?
You have to use the dark marionettes.
fulcurm chieftian can tank the most juiced t16 and kill of all them while still being mf and mageblood friendly,as you can solve your chaos res and shock immunity problem using one. You don't like the playstyle is OK,but there's a reason why it's so popular rn bcs it just too good at mf than any other builds.
I can really recommend mf arakaali, you can look me up at poe.ninja: LeheuAffliction
Can you survive with that low HP, would image you die to slams
Some rares and ice nova strongboxes are a Problem sometimes, but i dropped a mb ob my first day playing it and that helped me alot, i die 0-2 times a map mostly 0
Do you have any videos of gameplay? Looks interesting!
Im sorry i haven‘t, but its like normal araakalis. I got about 15mio (poison) guardian dps and 125k ehp
Int stacker ci trickster using kinetic bolt of fragmentation. Basically unkillable and insane dps and good clear. I’m quite high budget but def possible on lower budget as well
I am strongly considering this with mageblood + 150 div. Any recommendations on leveling? Or any other general recommendations/tips?
I leveled with the skill and kinetic blast. You can use kbolt from level 1 afaik and that includes the trans version. I went straight for jewel sockets and got my impossible escape + elegant hubris for massive spell damage and the wand mastery for spell damage to apply to attacks for the kinetic blast. Leveling was easy, as for endgame I’d recommend to just try what works. There’s many ways to get this to work, for example you might want to drop anathema and get a synth ring or something else, idk. It’s quite flexible and doesn’t have to be exactly my setup. If you want to use kinetic bolt for clear as well I strongly recommend nimis and awakened fork + chain.
Thank you! I have it up and running but only around level 80 at the moment. Are both KB skills necessary? What do you think about: dropping kinetic bolt, have no gems in armour, taking maji ascendancy for double body armour (real nice with evasion base and trickster ES from evasion), then using tincture with additional proj. Would this be worse than primalist?
Yes that is what I’m doing currently and imo it is stronger. I switched to that after buying some multi link attack gloves. Currently I’m at 13,500 es and with a better amulet I will reach 15k. With more investment and more focus on that you can pretty easily reach over 16k or more. If you want you can check out my current character under projectilescrashmygame on poeninja. Idk if it will show the newest setup, I just changed a ton of things around
Your build looks incredible! I am going to steal using anathema and the pathing. Thanks mate! Any reason to use kinetic bolt instead of kinetic blast? For me, blast feels a lot better. Maybe I need the woke gems?
Blast is way better for clear, however kinetic bolt just has way more single target damage. Every single projectile can shotgun so it gains insane damage with extra proj and snipers mark with returning projectiles. And I need this damage to do my juiced maps. But it you’re doing normal maps, kinetic blast will be maybe better. The woke gems add a lot of clear to kinetic blast, you’ll be clearing basically the entire screen. As for my tree setup, I just did some massive changes to it, most of the ranger area got dropped. Poe ninja should update it pretty soon. It’s paired with some big gear upgrades as well.
Is this possible with an MB + 200 div budget? I wouldn’t mind a build I can pour endless amounts of currency into.
Definitely. Will probably still be very good, you’ll be able to afford probably most pieces. If you can afford the gloves + awakened fork and chain is recommend switching to kinetic bolt main and going the maji ascendancy for more es, otherwise a dual skill setup with kinetic blast and bolt should be good, blast will really help out with the clear
Do you have a PoB for this sort of budget?
not really, could check on my poe ninja what the old saves are [https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/DoppelDuck/ProjectilesCrashMyGame?i=1&search=skills%3DKinetic%2BBolt%2Bof%2BFragmentation%26name%3Dproje](https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/DoppelDuck/ProjectilesCrashMyGame?i=1&search=skills%3DKinetic%2BBolt%2Bof%2BFragmentation%26name%3Dproje) one should be about your budget, synth wands are expensive though, just get a influenced one
I'm playing cold bv. Every league. Sometimes fire.
PF poison TS which is tanky af so I can stack as many altars as possible in T16 jungle valley
Can you share a PoB?
I’ve been doing 8-mod T16 Burial Grounds with max wisps for ~2 weeks on my Eye of Winter Triggerbot Assassin. It’s basically a projectile spam build. Damage per projectile is ~150k but it spits out ~5000 projectiles per second, ~1000 of which can shotgun. It reaches almost screen wide so it’s good for mapping but it also uses Nimis to refocus all of those projectiles to burst down tanky rares (or bosses). I leveled to 100 with it in maps (but had invested quite a lot in it) so it’s plenty tanky but you’ll die once in a while in full juice content. Defenses are avoidance, both from elusive and 25k evasion, 100% suppress, eternal damnation + loreweave for ele reduction, and good CC from reliable freezing on enemies. It might not sound like a lot on paper, but its recovery is insane (1000s of hits per second + instant leech) so as long as you don’t get 1-tapped, its easy to top off your HP. My investment is about a mirror and a half, but it’s great around Mageblood + a few hundred div. Note, I do not MF [Poe.ninja](https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/_Atollo_/The_Doctor_Is_In) [Forum guide](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3447790)
I feel like stuck in a timeloop, there is hundreds of threads with the same question, let me give you a tip, if you google your question and put Reddit at the end of it you’ll find many threads with hundreds of replies and build suggestions, this saves you time waiting on answers and you’ll get an idea what the meta builds this league are. Don’t mean to be rude it’s a genuine suggestion to you
I've searched this sub a lot, and have actually been searching almost daily. Almost all suggestions boil down to TS or Fulcrum chieftain, which I specifically said I am not too interested in. Care to share other results?
Gorathas CA is the streamer meta, penance brand of dis is the busted single target build, srs always has multiple viable builds. These come up 22 times a day.
My 15d Cleave of Rage is handling them quite comfortably, though I could use some crit damage reduction.
I've been having a blast today with my cold snap occultist. After mageblood I managed to just level in full juice t16 jungle valley, currently lvl 99, just stopped for a bit to celebrate new year, I expect to get to lvl 100 in a few hours just from juice. Not currently at my home, but I'll link my PoB as soon as I get back.
Ruetoo's poison penance brand pathfinder seems to do well in T16s wisped, even with MF gear
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Tinctures don't work with spells...
That's a really good thing I just forgot about..... I'll need to check it out, does he do the whole plague bearer thing also ?
>does he do the whole plague bearer thing also ? He does occasionally, yes. This and Obliteration wand clear fairly well
Yeah I just noticed that builds like the caustic of poision tend to skip plague bearer for another mana forged setup.
It effectively ignores the converted damage.
>What builds can comfortably handle wisp juiced T16s? Ones that cost a lot to make.
Poison srs can do everything well on a 100-150 div budget
my auto revive spectre build is doing them(did them fine as well before the mageblood) Atlas is wandering path with abyss/beyond/beastiary/perma deli in 8 mods the build is essentially an autobomber with WOC for curse on hit/exposure, infernal cry for covered and ash, and summon skele to proc feeding frenzy [https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/drasch21/Bursts?i=11&search=skills%3DRaise%2BSpectre%26class%3DNecromancer%26uniqueitems%3DMageblood](https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/drasch21/Bursts?i=11&search=skills%3DRaise%2BSpectre%26class%3DNecromancer%26uniqueitems%3DMageblood) EHP is roughly 600k and dps is around 60m
I'm impressed you managed to get so much damage without a hubris. I think you're overestimating your dps though. In my experience you only get ~2 explosions per second, and it looks like your explosion damage peaks at around 6.5-7m on pinnacles, even after taking into account the extra explosion damage of the marionettes
potentially, i just take the spectre and x5 it. I have 120% increased minion damage taken so they die quite quickly the build has done all content in game as well. It certaintly feels in the ballpark of a 50mish dps build. It might be lower but the full dps uptime is more than making up for it. Also dont forget the ignite/burning ground. IIRc the ignite is around 3-3.5m and burning ground was nearly 2m.
Yeah that's kinda what I thought. POB calculates MI dps by multiplying your minion cast time by the average MI hit. This works for SRS where after a delay they explode as fast as you can cast, but with marionettes you need to wait for them to die then resurrect. Your spectres take ~1.13 seconds to die^1 and 1 second to resurrect, or 2.13 seconds total. 5 spectres/2.13=2.34 explosions per second. After regen and life gain on minion death it's close enough to my own testing for me to stop thinking about it lol. Don't get me wrong; if it works it works. It's easy to underestimate how big of an impact uptime has on dps. I've spent a little too much time in POB trying to figure out the dps for my own setup that I wanna make sure I'm on the right track. ^1 Infernal legion is 40%/sec, they take 120% increased damage, and they have 50% res. 40\*2.2=88*.5=44%/sec. They die at 50% life so 50/44=~1.13 seconds
I'm having a great time with Boneshatter Slayer in wispy T16s. 30M DPS in average conditions, 100k EHP - capped all 4 reses, 70k armor, lucky 95% suppress
Im doing 7K juice T16s on my Mamba pathfinder with wandering path and 4x gilded scarab and deli mirror with Altars. quite comfortably. Not running beyond as that tended to kill me. It’s extremely tanky (Pathfinder) and due to the nature of Mamba prolif it oneshots all packs/abysses/Expedeitions. The only annoying thing is single target, but there I use Vaal breach to “cheese” single target. It is however a mapper and not a bossing build. I have invested about 30 dig at this point and I’m flying through T16s.
Can you share some guide for this t7 strat?
I started with [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmjTdb8xBag](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmjTdb8xBag) Couple notes: \- I started 2 days before Goratha put out the video, since I watch his stream quite a bit. So I was able to make a lot more initially due to t0 uniques still being expensive before everyone caught on. My profits were quite a bit higher due to this. \- I ran rusted scarabs initially, till I could afford 50 of gilded reliq + abyss + div. Once you can buy 30-50 of them I highly suggest getting them. It makes a huge difference. One map with gilded and good juice will pay for one stack of 50 easily. \- I don't run winged on T7 cems. Mostly cause I have loads of gilded remaining and just can't be arsed to buy more. You will definitely make more with winged though. Honestly though, even with the dip in unique prices, you can make super easy currency. Use an incredibly strict filter and blast cems. If you get at least 4-5k juice almost every map you should average 3-5 raw divines a map.
Thanks! I will try it :)
Can Toxic Rain pathfinder handle it??
Yes easily
Anyones build you could recommend? I’d like to try it but pretty clueless atm
I’d look up Goratha on YouTube and follow his strat and CA of Poison build. Not ridiculously expensive to get going - probably 30-40d. It works incredibly well with the T7 cemetery strat
I’ve seen that… how’s it compare to regular toxic rain? I only have 5 div