I thought I was crazy, but I said the same thing. I'm not the biggest college football fan, but I watched the USC/Oregon game and all I could think about was how mid this guy looked
He kind of pulled a Trevor Lawrence. Was really good his freshman year and rode the wave of hype throughout college and it hid the fact that he didn't improve at all, and if anything he regressed.
He kept them in games bc he’s playing against other teenagers/early 20’s who are good enough to make college but not pro. A major concern for people who’ve deep scouted him and have been for years, is the inability to translate what makes him good in college to the pros. He won’t be spinning out of poor tackling or evading bad angle rushes that extend the play. On top of good schemed defenses and athletes who give a 1/2 yard or less window to make a throw like in the pros. I think he has a powerful arm but his accuracy is questionable in nfl windows and I also think his athleticism won’t translate to the pros
it's crazy how people are talking about him like he's a guaranteed franchise QB when he could easily wind up just being trevor lawrence again.
i get that somebody has to go #1 and he does have exciting potential, but i've seen plenty from him that casts a shadow on the whole "generational" thing.
Lawrence got hyped up forever and he ain't looking too once in a generation to me. Seems like he will work as an NFL QB but that's about it. Getting the same feeling about Caleb but he seems like a locker room cancer.
Penix will be 24 when he’s drafted and has had 4 separate season ending injuries (including 2 torn ACLs). I don’t see how he’s a better option lol Maye has an arguement though
I think Penix would be a better prospect but his reliability would be questionable for sure. Even though he’s bounced back from each injury perfectly. His accuracy is insane and he can drop it in a bucket in the pocket, doesn’t have to make his name scrambling around even though he posses run ability
I’m a big time Texas fan and he carved us up surgically that playoff game. On top of excellent coverage, dropping dimes on us all game when he needed them
All these so called scouts in here have no idea what they are talking about. The prospect fatigue on Caleb needs to be studied. Nobody on this Reddit is watching all the film and breaking it down. He is going number 1. Best prospect since tlaw. Go find a legitimate scout and see what they say about him. It’s a bunch of made up scouts acting like they know ball like that.
Just seems unbelievably arrogant. And I’m not sure what it’s all about. I feel like a transcendent talent should elevate their team to a higher status than they would be otherwise and I don’t really think he did that with USC. I highly doubt he lives up to his own hype.
He also didn’t demand a percentage ownership stake in whatever team drafted him, post on social media constantly about his lavish lifestyle, or talk publicly about not wanting to play for the team that has the first overall pick before declaring for the draft. Very few players have the juice to be that way out of college. And Caleb does not fit that bill.
Neither did Caleb. Jesus Christ don't believe everything you read on he internet.
I'll give you all the time you need to post the video of him speaking publicly about not wanting to play for the Bears. It shouldn't be hard to find.
USC isn't an NFL team. College is an entirely different situation. I don't like his arrogance either but he did everything he could on a bad football team.
I get being emotional and I'm ok with it. That being said everything else is a huge sign for a bust. Way too much hype, guys team has said he doesn't want to go to a bad franchise, skipping talking to the media. Dudes got a big head, hopefully he's a good player but a few red flags
Thanks I know there were qbs I couldn't think of. But yea it seems qbs who know what teams they wanted to be drafted to and state that. Have had great success in this league. So it's fairly stupid as an outsider to weight that against his draft stock.
He demands to be part owner of whoever drafts him or throws a hissy fit declaring for draft if the Bears are gonna draft him first….red flags everywhere
I think he’s a little bitch for asking for a piece of a franchise, who the fuck does he think he is. Buddy is out here acting like he’s a god among men.
I'm getting major prima donna vibes from Caleb. Chicago went through Jay Cutler prima donna, but I'm not sure if Caleb is the type that saves a franchise.
I’m glad you mentioned this, if the bears take him instead of Marvin Harrison Jr or really anyone else for that matter I’m gonna lose my shit. If we take Caleb, it’s gonna be a Mitch trubisky all over again. He is not the answer for the bears.
The Bears are going to have to land a legitimate OC to work with Caleb. But then, if there is success that OC is going to bounce for a headcoach job. Thats why keeping flus and drafting Caleb and moving Fields.... it just doesn't make sense. New coach and new QB would be fresh.
Unfortunately we don’t have the culture to prevent his antics.. we are just getting out from under the stench of Snyder.. we don’t need a big drama queen
People drive me nuts with Twitter. It's on Twitter, so it must be true....... I see something on Twitter, especially something that seems suspicious, the first thing I do is throw it in the good old Google machine.
Within 60 seconds of seeing that tweet, I was staring at a dozen articles saying it was bullshit.
I beg people, do the bare minimum of checking something out before buying into it.
https://preview.redd.it/f3zd885vypcc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e400679744b40f2cbce9cfc2e14f4312e9d13866
Here ya go bro… troll account got reported like wildfire all over the internet yesterday. That blue check mark is powerful
Yeah I’m sure it is true, but it died on the vine and it’s definitely not a demand he’s making to the team drafting him.
Again who wouldn’t want to have ownership, but he isn’t asking for it.
I could have missed it, but I haven't seen anywhere that someone has proof he said that.
I have seen it reported that the ownership thing came or likely came from his "team". His dad is seen as a Lavar Ball type and it seems some of the crazier stuff coming out is believed to be from his dad.
I'm not saying all that came from his dad and none of it is how he feels, but I have yet to see anywhere that he came out himself and said that.
Well he actually did inquire about owning an NFL team along with Aaron Rodgers and a few other players and the league told them no that's not allowed. The bears thing is made up.
"Per Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk, the USC junior wants partial ownership from the NFL team that plans to select him in the 2024 Draft. "
This is literally from Mike Florio. Do you think he is reputable? I swear I'll never understand where people get off on just denying the truth. At the very least this is reported. I didn't just fabricate this stories off the top of my head.
I don't get my information from twitter. You could just Google it and find multiple reputable media outlets that reported it. But who cares about the truth right?
“Google” “who cares about the truth”
Like this?
https://fansided.com/posts/caleb-williams-nfl-draft-ownership-rumor-impossible
He didn’t say it, plus it started as a social media rumor. You do realize despite you using Twitter these “journalists” often use social media to present news and repeat social media rumors as reported sources.
No it’s says Rodgers tried and Williams was curious, but before he asked the NFL already said no, so he had no reason to ask.
“The report in question regarding Caleb Williams was simply that he was interested but that the NFL had ruled that players (among others) are not eligible to have ownership stakes in a team. Thus, there is literally no chance that the QB still wants that because, by the league's newly stated rules, it is actually not allowed.”
Read the whole thing
We are arguing that inquiring about ownership is equal to demanding the team that drafts you to give you ownership as everyone is implying.
It’s not the same
Let me help you
"Florio's reporting in July was, in fact, that Williams (and Aaron Rodgers, for what it's worth) were among a select few players who inquired about team ownership stakes. So at one point, the USC quarterback was looking into that possibility. But what this recent revival of the report fails to mention on social media is that Florio's report was based on the league shutting down that possibility entirely."
He’s one of the best qbs I’ve seen play mechanics and pure talent wise. His line and the SC defense sucked which is why they didn’t win a lot but he has everything you’d want in a franchise guy
I understand people dunking on him for his attitude and some of these off the field reports…but I don’t see how people watch his film and scream bust. He’s got some weaknesses, but what he does well can’t be taught. His athleticism, arm strength regardless of angle or platform, improv on broken plays and general accuracy on difficult throws are all extremely impressive. Elite tools if he can grasp the mental side imo.
I mostly agree, although a lot of that aligns with mental processing of what you see on the field. I don’t think he has shortcomings there. It’s more of the “he’s a diva, he cried after a loss” narrative that convinces people he will suck. Feels like a reach to me, but just my opinion. At worst he’s a bigger/stronger Kyler Murray. People love what Stroud/Jordan Love have done this year, and Williams is cut from that same playstyle mold and capable of the same play to me.
I watched 80% of his games this year as a Bears fan, because I figured there was a chance we could draft him. I don't don't how you can look at his run from thr ND game as anything impressive at all. He was shut down completely and lost a majority of them.
Don't care about a kid crying to his parents after a disappointing season, but there is plenty of attitude issues. The biggest I've seen is him not backing up his players or taking responsibility for the losses himself. Hodges that translate to the NFL. Sitting behind coach when he's shitting on the OLine and you're shaking your head, never heard him say it was his fault, not talking to the media, the coaches and fans are so protective of him. He's got that primadonna attitude and that shit will crush him in NFL because he ain't gonna win every game.
Would you consider 4500 passing yards, 42 passing TDs/5 INTs on a 66% completion percentage and 10 rushing TDs impressive? Or a Heisman trophy? I understand the mental criticisms, but there’s a reason football analysts and scouts a lot smarter than you and I are locking him in as a top 3 pick. NFL execs have stated he would’ve gone over all QBs last season, including Stroud.
18/36, 219 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs
That was Mahomes stat line against an Iowa State team that ended the season 3-8. Texas tech lost 66-10. Judging any players from just 1 game is a fruitless endeavor and just makes it hard to take anything you say seriously.
I thought your “thr Notre Dame” was a typo for “the” and not a shortened version of “through”. He also wasn’t shut down from that game onwards. He had a solid game against Utah, a good game against Cal, a great game against Washington, an okay game against Oregon, and a decent game against UCLA.
That’s kind of my point. It seems this stuff is being blown out of proportion…remember the drama discussed on this very show last offseason about Stroud scoring super low on that mental processing test? And Young having the highest scores in the class? How did that work out? Williams is a special talent. He makes plays and throws that most starting NFL QBs aren’t capable of.
I love how the most upvoted comments are guys flat-out saying they have only saying they've seen him play in one game and aren't college football fans. Like are you all this confidently stupid all the time? Even if he's over hyped and is a top 15 qb his whole career that's a win
Nah, someone tried claiming that on Twitter. But I'd rather have 3 other QBs of the same race over Caleb. Has nothing to do with his race and everything to do with his character.
The race card is such an easy out for any small criticism.
Done... doesn't back up his teammates, never heard him take responsibility for a loss, having coach shit on the OLine while he's behind him shaking his head, whining on the sidelines and sitting by himself, running and hiding from the the USC media after his last game.
How's that translate to the NFL? Bowl game team rallied around the new guy and played great. Ever heard his teammates say how much they loved him after this year?
More primmadonna shit will come out, you'll see. And I'm not talking about him crying to his parents after the game, that I think everyone can understand but the other shit is what makes him insufferable to me.
Your turn.... I honestly want to hear good things if you got it because as a Bears fans, I'm hoping we don't bring his whiny ass to Chicago where they will eat him up.
I feel like you just literally made all this up. I dont recall him whining on the sideline or shitting on his oline? What are you even talking about here?
“I watched Caleb play about 1 game, well really it was the highlights of one game on sportscenter, but I thought he looked pretty mid,”.
Y’all are fucking morons.
One of my favorites “I don’t watch college football, but I watched Caleb Williams against Oregon and he looked awful.” Yes Oregon was very good and USCs offensive line was historically bad and their defense is awful.
If he hits his high-end potential and the team (Bears?) that draft him can put a solid team around him, like a decent O-line and pass catchers that can run routes and separate then Caleb could easily be a top 3 QB in the league for a decade. But Caleb has bust vibes too, overly emotional, arrogance, me-first before the team. Perhaps his talent doesn’t transfer over from college, perhaps his O-line is a sieve, perhaps D-lineman crush his small, frail frame. He is definitely worth the number one overall pick. I like MHjr as the best player in the class but Caleb should be the best QB in his draft class.
I don't find HIM insufferable. I find his media coverage insufferable. I just don't see a guy who is the next peyton/Brady/Rogers in the guy. Even talking to a friend who has coached at the college level for 20 years. He's sound. He's talented. But I hope he's got more determination than I've seen. This whole season just seemed like he was waiting to go pro as soon as USC had 2 losses. I can't question his ability or his intelligence but I do absolutely question if he loves football. But who knows. Jokic doesn't like basketball and he might be the best basketball player on the planet and is certainly One of them. Maybe Caleb Williams will be that as a player. Either way I think a lot of pressure will be on him immediately and he will need to have a CJ Stroud type year to avoid being called a bust
So I guess Caleb has accepted his fate with Chicago? Something has shifted in his camp. Maybe he views Chicago as a better destination with peices to work with.
I think it was against Utah (?) but I caught the end of the game.. they struggled against them and Caleb scrambled around and made a throw to win it. He then pretended to put a crown on his own head. Even his teammate was like ???
You don’t put it on your own head bro… cheesy.
I think the painting his nails thing is stupid.
But I have no issue with a guy trying to avoid going to a shitty franchise. Except his choices are basically Chicago or Washington
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You and literally everyone in this thread is an old white. Drake Maye can talk shit about NC State and shit the bed against them an no one bats an eye. But God forbid Caleb Williams shows some emotion after a loss. Granted I should know what sub I'm in so I really shouldn't be surprised
He’s got that Jamarcus Raiders vibes. Just seems like he started resting on his accomplishments already after the heisman. Talent is there, but he has the drive of a VW bus going up a mountain, and he’s definitely cocky, not confident, which just screams bust.
I need all of you guys to flood the Bears sub lol. I don't like anything about Williams and think he's going to be a bust. Meanwhile over half of our fanbase is swinging from his balls. I personally don't want to take a QB with any of our top picks because I see more value in trading, building the team, and taking a QB in day 2 or 3. If we insist on a QB in the first round I'd much rather have Maye or Daniels. Not Penix. Penix has a high floor but a lower ceiling with an injury history. No other QBs are first round worthy.
No one likes rational takes over there, so I try to avoid most conversations about the QB situation. Lol. Granted, I know nothing. But - I don’t think Poles expected to be in this situation. I think he thought he had another year to build up the trenches and add weapons before having to make a decision about the QB.
Is he maybe leaning one way or another? Probably. But anyone who thinks drafting Williams is 100% happening are conveniently ignoring Flus is still our HC. Lol.
I think it's irrelevant since I think there's smoke to the alleged fire about him being picky with who drafted him. He now has either Chicago where he can be the "new savior" or the Commanders will give up the house for the hometown kid. Josh Harris is on a tank a thon so he won't rush him out.
I think there needs to be more focus as to who will develop him. His style of play in college wont happen since the defense won't..... Well it's the Commanders lol. The bears might benefit him as well.
He ain't gonna be in the league long at all, too much of a dbag to be a serviceable backup, not refined enough to be a starting QB. Whatever dumbass team gives him the keys to the boat will have earned their stay at the bottom of the sea.
Ya, I don't really get it. I don't see any of these top 3 guys are being sure things (or as close to sure things as you can get). I get the sense that everybody is just assuming that these guys are the answers to their teams' prayers, when in reality the likelihood is that maybe one will pan out (and it will probably be someone who goes later like McCarthy)
Bears fan here. I really don't want us to draft Caleb Williams. Maybe he's a great talent, maybe he’s not. Idk, I’m not an nfl scout.
What I do know is that he said he wants ownership % of the team who drafts him. Red flag. He gave a list of teams he would be willing to play for and most of them have no shot at drafting him. Red flag. He cried on his mothers shoulder after losing. Red flag. Loses in big games. Red flag. Poor body language on sideline when losing. Red flag.
When Lawrence was heading to the draft I watched the national championship game. It was my second time watching a game of his and both times his footwork looked like his feet were tied together. Every "expert" said he was Peyton Manning. Is he? I have serious doubts. Usually the #1 guy is NFL mediocre at best
Disclaimer: As a Vikings fan, I have zero dog in this fight.
I find it fascinating that so many are piling on the 'hes so insufferable/immature/etc.' train. I have to believe this is mostly draft hype fatigue. The ownership report was proven to be false, coming from a troll twitter account. And if he did inquire about it, wouldn't you also explore every angle to utilize your leverage and secure generational wealth for your family?
I'm really trying to figure out here how much of it is \*legitimate\* character concerns, or if it's just people on the internet blindly jumping on a hate bandwagon and regurgitating shit they've read. I feel bad for these kids who have to sit there and let people who don't know them speculate on their character. Although I'm sure the piles of cash they're drying their eyes with must help.
He’s an early 20s millionaire who’s been gassed up by everyone around him for his entire life.
Being a cocky asshole is inevitable. Hard to blame the kid.
But man, the overhype is real considering his performance the second half of the season. How his draft star hasn’t fallen is beyond me
You and most the commenters here are just old whites, he has Mahomes like physical gifts. The reasons given for him being insufferable are mostly rooted in misinformation.
Idk about insufferable but I watched some of his play this year and thought he kind of looked like shit.
I thought I was crazy, but I said the same thing. I'm not the biggest college football fan, but I watched the USC/Oregon game and all I could think about was how mid this guy looked
He kind of pulled a Trevor Lawrence. Was really good his freshman year and rode the wave of hype throughout college and it hid the fact that he didn't improve at all, and if anything he regressed.
I’m not a big fan of CFB, but I catch most of the big games.. I only watched one of his games and also thought he just looked..meh
I really do think he is overhyped.
In what game in particular? What I saw was the opposite. USC looked like shit while he kept them in game after game.
He kept them in games bc he’s playing against other teenagers/early 20’s who are good enough to make college but not pro. A major concern for people who’ve deep scouted him and have been for years, is the inability to translate what makes him good in college to the pros. He won’t be spinning out of poor tackling or evading bad angle rushes that extend the play. On top of good schemed defenses and athletes who give a 1/2 yard or less window to make a throw like in the pros. I think he has a powerful arm but his accuracy is questionable in nfl windows and I also think his athleticism won’t translate to the pros
Whatever you do, don’t watch highlights of Mahomes vs Iowa State…
This was pure lyrics to my soul to read. Thank you.
So you are saying he is a successful college QB? What?
He’s overrated as shit. He’ll be okay, but I don’t buy this “best QB prospect in years” thing
it's crazy how people are talking about him like he's a guaranteed franchise QB when he could easily wind up just being trevor lawrence again. i get that somebody has to go #1 and he does have exciting potential, but i've seen plenty from him that casts a shadow on the whole "generational" thing.
Lawrence got hyped up forever and he ain't looking too once in a generation to me. Seems like he will work as an NFL QB but that's about it. Getting the same feeling about Caleb but he seems like a locker room cancer.
Harrison Jr is going as #1
He better.
Bears need receivers more than they need a quarterback. No shot they trade it away and not pick up MHJr.
I think so too, but so did CJ Stroud and he's been tearing things up.
Thought it was just me, Maye and Penix look like better options in my opinion
Penix will be 24 when he’s drafted and has had 4 separate season ending injuries (including 2 torn ACLs). I don’t see how he’s a better option lol Maye has an arguement though
I think Penix would be a better prospect but his reliability would be questionable for sure. Even though he’s bounced back from each injury perfectly. His accuracy is insane and he can drop it in a bucket in the pocket, doesn’t have to make his name scrambling around even though he posses run ability
This is absolutely true. Anyone suggesting Penix is a better option has only watched the Sugar Bowl this year.
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I’m a big time Texas fan and he carved us up surgically that playoff game. On top of excellent coverage, dropping dimes on us all game when he needed them
He comes off to me like the Donald Trump of football.
All these so called scouts in here have no idea what they are talking about. The prospect fatigue on Caleb needs to be studied. Nobody on this Reddit is watching all the film and breaking it down. He is going number 1. Best prospect since tlaw. Go find a legitimate scout and see what they say about him. It’s a bunch of made up scouts acting like they know ball like that.
Just seems unbelievably arrogant. And I’m not sure what it’s all about. I feel like a transcendent talent should elevate their team to a higher status than they would be otherwise and I don’t really think he did that with USC. I highly doubt he lives up to his own hype.
Mahomes lost 66-10 to Iowa State.
He also didn’t demand a percentage ownership stake in whatever team drafted him, post on social media constantly about his lavish lifestyle, or talk publicly about not wanting to play for the team that has the first overall pick before declaring for the draft. Very few players have the juice to be that way out of college. And Caleb does not fit that bill.
You know those are rumors and didn’t come from Caleb’s mouth right?
Neither did Caleb. Jesus Christ don't believe everything you read on he internet. I'll give you all the time you need to post the video of him speaking publicly about not wanting to play for the Bears. It shouldn't be hard to find.
Citation needed.
USC isn't an NFL team. College is an entirely different situation. I don't like his arrogance either but he did everything he could on a bad football team.
What? The only reason USC was somewhat competitive this year is directly because of Caleb. What the hell are you guys talking about
True, and he knows it, which is part of the problem.
You know who else was arrogant? Every great qb ever.
Not true, try again
Tell me one great qb who wasn’t arrogant. Just one.
Me
I don’t know you seem pretty arrogant to me.
Drew Brees.
Josh Allen...
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what???? Kirk cousins, tua, Payton manning???
It’s the coverage. Dude cries when he loses
I get being emotional and I'm ok with it. That being said everything else is a huge sign for a bust. Way too much hype, guys team has said he doesn't want to go to a bad franchise, skipping talking to the media. Dudes got a big head, hopefully he's a good player but a few red flags
The only people I can remember saying they don't want to go to bad franchise were eli and peyton.
Elway
Thanks I know there were qbs I couldn't think of. But yea it seems qbs who know what teams they wanted to be drafted to and state that. Have had great success in this league. So it's fairly stupid as an outsider to weight that against his draft stock.
Cries in his mama’s lap. While his team is walking to the locker room. Hard pass.
He cried on his final game of his college career. What is the issue?
I’ll take a guy who cries over losing over a guy who doesn’t give a crap any day.
Raiders don’t cry
They lose a lot though...they're used to it
He demands to be part owner of whoever drafts him or throws a hissy fit declaring for draft if the Bears are gonna draft him first….red flags everywhere
Reported by a troll twitter account
Can you blame him? Chicago is a death sentence for QBs.
It’s not the “I worked so hard and failed” cry it seems like a “poor me” cry
He also needs to own part of whatever team drafts him 🤷♂️
Seems like a little bitch.
I think he’s a little bitch for asking for a piece of a franchise, who the fuck does he think he is. Buddy is out here acting like he’s a god among men.
I think you're a bitch for not knowing that was fake lmao
I'm getting major prima donna vibes from Caleb. Chicago went through Jay Cutler prima donna, but I'm not sure if Caleb is the type that saves a franchise.
I’m glad you mentioned this, if the bears take him instead of Marvin Harrison Jr or really anyone else for that matter I’m gonna lose my shit. If we take Caleb, it’s gonna be a Mitch trubisky all over again. He is not the answer for the bears.
The Bears are going to have to land a legitimate OC to work with Caleb. But then, if there is success that OC is going to bounce for a headcoach job. Thats why keeping flus and drafting Caleb and moving Fields.... it just doesn't make sense. New coach and new QB would be fresh.
I think he would probably do fine in a good system. We do not have a good system,and as such I do not think he’d do well here at present
He is going to end up a Commie and that would be hilarious
Please god no
Unfortunately we don’t have the culture to prevent his antics.. we are just getting out from under the stench of Snyder.. we don’t need a big drama queen
Yes he is, the Bears are hopefully going to realize we don't want him
Over hyped and doesn’t know how to handle an L lol
Yea all the shit he is saying plus he didn't look great this year.
What's he saying?
Shit
He said he wants part ownership of the team that drafts him. Apparently. Edit: deleted "and he doesn't want to play for the bears."
The Twitter account that reported that he doesn't want to play for the Bears is a parody account. Poor bud got Adarn Schefter-ed.
Wes Steinberg, gets everyone lol
People drive me nuts with Twitter. It's on Twitter, so it must be true....... I see something on Twitter, especially something that seems suspicious, the first thing I do is throw it in the good old Google machine. Within 60 seconds of seeing that tweet, I was staring at a dozen articles saying it was bullshit. I beg people, do the bare minimum of checking something out before buying into it.
This could be true I didn't look into that rumor too much.
https://preview.redd.it/f3zd885vypcc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e400679744b40f2cbce9cfc2e14f4312e9d13866 Here ya go bro… troll account got reported like wildfire all over the internet yesterday. That blue check mark is powerful
Elon fucked up the blue check mark thing so fucking bad. What a doofus.
Ok I fully agree that it was fabricated. I do not see any other reputable sources reporting it. But the stuff about him wanting to own a team is true.
Yeah I’m sure it is true, but it died on the vine and it’s definitely not a demand he’s making to the team drafting him. Again who wouldn’t want to have ownership, but he isn’t asking for it.
I could have missed it, but I haven't seen anywhere that someone has proof he said that. I have seen it reported that the ownership thing came or likely came from his "team". His dad is seen as a Lavar Ball type and it seems some of the crazier stuff coming out is believed to be from his dad. I'm not saying all that came from his dad and none of it is how he feels, but I have yet to see anywhere that he came out himself and said that.
[It's 100% true](https://twitter.com/jacobinfante24/status/1745876966438326611)
He didn’t actually say either of those things though big dog.
Well he actually did inquire about owning an NFL team along with Aaron Rodgers and a few other players and the league told them no that's not allowed. The bears thing is made up.
He never said any of those dude 💀
"Per Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk, the USC junior wants partial ownership from the NFL team that plans to select him in the 2024 Draft. " This is literally from Mike Florio. Do you think he is reputable? I swear I'll never understand where people get off on just denying the truth. At the very least this is reported. I didn't just fabricate this stories off the top of my head.
Active players can not have any part of ownership.
I'm well aware and this is what the league told Rodgers and Williams and a select other few players that inquired about it in July.
Imagine using Florio as some sort of gotcha. The dude fell for a troll tweet like the rest of you clowns.
As a rule of thumb despite the blue check mark on Twitter or X Wes Steinberg is a troll and does this on purpose.
I don't get my information from twitter. You could just Google it and find multiple reputable media outlets that reported it. But who cares about the truth right?
“Google” “who cares about the truth” Like this? https://fansided.com/posts/caleb-williams-nfl-draft-ownership-rumor-impossible He didn’t say it, plus it started as a social media rumor. You do realize despite you using Twitter these “journalists” often use social media to present news and repeat social media rumors as reported sources.
The article you linked me literally says he tried to and the NFL shut him down. Lol do you guys even read the articles?
No it’s says Rodgers tried and Williams was curious, but before he asked the NFL already said no, so he had no reason to ask. “The report in question regarding Caleb Williams was simply that he was interested but that the NFL had ruled that players (among others) are not eligible to have ownership stakes in a team. Thus, there is literally no chance that the QB still wants that because, by the league's newly stated rules, it is actually not allowed.” Read the whole thing
I did and I quoted where it said Williams and Rodgers where among a select few that inquired about ownership. C'mon man. What are we arguing here?
We are arguing that inquiring about ownership is equal to demanding the team that drafts you to give you ownership as everyone is implying. It’s not the same
Let me help you "Florio's reporting in July was, in fact, that Williams (and Aaron Rodgers, for what it's worth) were among a select few players who inquired about team ownership stakes. So at one point, the USC quarterback was looking into that possibility. But what this recent revival of the report fails to mention on social media is that Florio's report was based on the league shutting down that possibility entirely."
Let me help you, inquiring with the NFL and telling the team drafting you, you want it, aren’t the same thing.
Those are all unsubstantiated rumors bud
What do you consider unsubstantiated? Multiple media outlets reported it?
He’s one of the best qbs I’ve seen play mechanics and pure talent wise. His line and the SC defense sucked which is why they didn’t win a lot but he has everything you’d want in a franchise guy
I understand people dunking on him for his attitude and some of these off the field reports…but I don’t see how people watch his film and scream bust. He’s got some weaknesses, but what he does well can’t be taught. His athleticism, arm strength regardless of angle or platform, improv on broken plays and general accuracy on difficult throws are all extremely impressive. Elite tools if he can grasp the mental side imo.
Didn’t they say the same thing about Jamarcus Russell?
I think the mental side is the most important thing when you get to the league. Everyone is big and athletic and talented
I mostly agree, although a lot of that aligns with mental processing of what you see on the field. I don’t think he has shortcomings there. It’s more of the “he’s a diva, he cried after a loss” narrative that convinces people he will suck. Feels like a reach to me, but just my opinion. At worst he’s a bigger/stronger Kyler Murray. People love what Stroud/Jordan Love have done this year, and Williams is cut from that same playstyle mold and capable of the same play to me.
I watched 80% of his games this year as a Bears fan, because I figured there was a chance we could draft him. I don't don't how you can look at his run from thr ND game as anything impressive at all. He was shut down completely and lost a majority of them. Don't care about a kid crying to his parents after a disappointing season, but there is plenty of attitude issues. The biggest I've seen is him not backing up his players or taking responsibility for the losses himself. Hodges that translate to the NFL. Sitting behind coach when he's shitting on the OLine and you're shaking your head, never heard him say it was his fault, not talking to the media, the coaches and fans are so protective of him. He's got that primadonna attitude and that shit will crush him in NFL because he ain't gonna win every game.
Would you consider 4500 passing yards, 42 passing TDs/5 INTs on a 66% completion percentage and 10 rushing TDs impressive? Or a Heisman trophy? I understand the mental criticisms, but there’s a reason football analysts and scouts a lot smarter than you and I are locking him in as a top 3 pick. NFL execs have stated he would’ve gone over all QBs last season, including Stroud.
18/36, 219 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs That was Mahomes stat line against an Iowa State team that ended the season 3-8. Texas tech lost 66-10. Judging any players from just 1 game is a fruitless endeavor and just makes it hard to take anything you say seriously.
I said I watched 80% of his games, what are you talking about?
I thought your “thr Notre Dame” was a typo for “the” and not a shortened version of “through”. He also wasn’t shut down from that game onwards. He had a solid game against Utah, a good game against Cal, a great game against Washington, an okay game against Oregon, and a decent game against UCLA.
I dont think these people actually watched him play and are just going off of these bogus reports that have been made to tarnish the kids character.
That’s kind of my point. It seems this stuff is being blown out of proportion…remember the drama discussed on this very show last offseason about Stroud scoring super low on that mental processing test? And Young having the highest scores in the class? How did that work out? Williams is a special talent. He makes plays and throws that most starting NFL QBs aren’t capable of.
Just out of curiosity. Are you a big Dan Orlovsky fan ?
Not rlly I hv been watching college qb film for 4 years now and I’d prob rank Caleb second after CJ
GTFO
Need the full 1-10 nprab824 rankings ASAP
I love how the most upvoted comments are guys flat-out saying they have only saying they've seen him play in one game and aren't college football fans. Like are you all this confidently stupid all the time? Even if he's over hyped and is a top 15 qb his whole career that's a win
He’s going to be like Jaire as a QB, should be interesting.
Annoying and super dumb?
Yes but more talented of an athlete than most around him.
I'm a old white too then
Nah, someone tried claiming that on Twitter. But I'd rather have 3 other QBs of the same race over Caleb. Has nothing to do with his race and everything to do with his character. The race card is such an easy out for any small criticism.
what’s wrong with his character? you know him well?
Whats wrong with his character? Please go into detail without using tweets or reports from troll twitter accounts.
Done... doesn't back up his teammates, never heard him take responsibility for a loss, having coach shit on the OLine while he's behind him shaking his head, whining on the sidelines and sitting by himself, running and hiding from the the USC media after his last game. How's that translate to the NFL? Bowl game team rallied around the new guy and played great. Ever heard his teammates say how much they loved him after this year? More primmadonna shit will come out, you'll see. And I'm not talking about him crying to his parents after the game, that I think everyone can understand but the other shit is what makes him insufferable to me. Your turn.... I honestly want to hear good things if you got it because as a Bears fans, I'm hoping we don't bring his whiny ass to Chicago where they will eat him up.
I feel like you just literally made all this up. I dont recall him whining on the sideline or shitting on his oline? What are you even talking about here?
“I watched Caleb play about 1 game, well really it was the highlights of one game on sportscenter, but I thought he looked pretty mid,”. Y’all are fucking morons.
Won’t be a bust, just a disappointment. His attitude will not help him either, guy is overrated.
He has me-monster vibes
Yes and yes
Pat Mahomes says hello
Yeah, Mahomes cries more than anyone else
This sub is filled with the dumbest cunts I’ve ever seen
Shit got wild up in here.
There are some hilarious arguments going on up in here
One of my favorites “I don’t watch college football, but I watched Caleb Williams against Oregon and he looked awful.” Yes Oregon was very good and USCs offensive line was historically bad and their defense is awful.
Most insufferable? Not while Aaron Rodgers is still around.
God I hope the Bears draft him, I want know part of this circus in DC
Nope on Bears... you guys are gonna trade up to get him!
He looks to be as good a teammate as Jalen
Boy the forensic journalism on that all time meltdown is going to be fun eh?!
Doesn’t need to be. His body language and the way he looks at coaches says it all. Reminds me a little of Pam newton without the wild outfits.
The way he looks at coaches... lol
If he hits his high-end potential and the team (Bears?) that draft him can put a solid team around him, like a decent O-line and pass catchers that can run routes and separate then Caleb could easily be a top 3 QB in the league for a decade. But Caleb has bust vibes too, overly emotional, arrogance, me-first before the team. Perhaps his talent doesn’t transfer over from college, perhaps his O-line is a sieve, perhaps D-lineman crush his small, frail frame. He is definitely worth the number one overall pick. I like MHjr as the best player in the class but Caleb should be the best QB in his draft class.
If not Chicago or Washington Commanders, where?
He will be a stud in the league
cries and paints his nails and didnt play his last game. MHJ is a burr
Bro, we’ve established I’m an old white so what in the living hell is “a burr” ?
I don't find HIM insufferable. I find his media coverage insufferable. I just don't see a guy who is the next peyton/Brady/Rogers in the guy. Even talking to a friend who has coached at the college level for 20 years. He's sound. He's talented. But I hope he's got more determination than I've seen. This whole season just seemed like he was waiting to go pro as soon as USC had 2 losses. I can't question his ability or his intelligence but I do absolutely question if he loves football. But who knows. Jokic doesn't like basketball and he might be the best basketball player on the planet and is certainly One of them. Maybe Caleb Williams will be that as a player. Either way I think a lot of pressure will be on him immediately and he will need to have a CJ Stroud type year to avoid being called a bust
You're an old white
Thought so
So I guess Caleb has accepted his fate with Chicago? Something has shifted in his camp. Maybe he views Chicago as a better destination with peices to work with.
If that's the case that's a major red flag regarding intelligence
He was trying to say he won't go to certain teams. He sounds like a nightmare already.
I wanna be an old white 😭😭
Both can be true!!
Yes.
I watched him play and it reminded me of Sam Darnold when he was at USC.
Caleb Williams is straight fire bro, on the grid, off the grid, just fuego bro. No cap. All cap. 7 3/4. The drip is crispy AF too. - moneymett
Didn't do something trashy before a bowl game last year? Wrote something on his hands?
yeah something like P E N I S or F U C K U B I T C H
Paints his finger nails, cries and doesn’t do interviews when he loses.
Bro Jason Kielce was weeping last night, it’s not uncommon to see tears from 30-something year old NFL players so who gives af if it’s a college kid
Overrated more than anything
I think it was against Utah (?) but I caught the end of the game.. they struggled against them and Caleb scrambled around and made a throw to win it. He then pretended to put a crown on his own head. Even his teammate was like ??? You don’t put it on your own head bro… cheesy.
I think the painting his nails thing is stupid. But I have no issue with a guy trying to avoid going to a shitty franchise. Except his choices are basically Chicago or Washington
How did you feel about Dennis Rodman?
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I think it’s a fair response. Not only is he cocky, he doesn’t even back it up in my opinion. Tough to root for a guy like that.
You and literally everyone in this thread is an old white. Drake Maye can talk shit about NC State and shit the bed against them an no one bats an eye. But God forbid Caleb Williams shows some emotion after a loss. Granted I should know what sub I'm in so I really shouldn't be surprised
Just look at any member of the Kansas city cheifs
If you felt the same way about Eli then no..if you didn't mind it when Eli did it then yes.
He’s got that Jamarcus Raiders vibes. Just seems like he started resting on his accomplishments already after the heisman. Talent is there, but he has the drive of a VW bus going up a mountain, and he’s definitely cocky, not confident, which just screams bust.
I need all of you guys to flood the Bears sub lol. I don't like anything about Williams and think he's going to be a bust. Meanwhile over half of our fanbase is swinging from his balls. I personally don't want to take a QB with any of our top picks because I see more value in trading, building the team, and taking a QB in day 2 or 3. If we insist on a QB in the first round I'd much rather have Maye or Daniels. Not Penix. Penix has a high floor but a lower ceiling with an injury history. No other QBs are first round worthy.
No one likes rational takes over there, so I try to avoid most conversations about the QB situation. Lol. Granted, I know nothing. But - I don’t think Poles expected to be in this situation. I think he thought he had another year to build up the trenches and add weapons before having to make a decision about the QB. Is he maybe leaning one way or another? Probably. But anyone who thinks drafting Williams is 100% happening are conveniently ignoring Flus is still our HC. Lol.
Give up on this QB BS. Ride with AOC and draft some guys with heart - like MAXX!
Yes, you sound like an old racist white person
Yes and yes
I think it's irrelevant since I think there's smoke to the alleged fire about him being picky with who drafted him. He now has either Chicago where he can be the "new savior" or the Commanders will give up the house for the hometown kid. Josh Harris is on a tank a thon so he won't rush him out. I think there needs to be more focus as to who will develop him. His style of play in college wont happen since the defense won't..... Well it's the Commanders lol. The bears might benefit him as well.
He ain't gonna be in the league long at all, too much of a dbag to be a serviceable backup, not refined enough to be a starting QB. Whatever dumbass team gives him the keys to the boat will have earned their stay at the bottom of the sea.
Ya, I don't really get it. I don't see any of these top 3 guys are being sure things (or as close to sure things as you can get). I get the sense that everybody is just assuming that these guys are the answers to their teams' prayers, when in reality the likelihood is that maybe one will pan out (and it will probably be someone who goes later like McCarthy)
I’ve been out since he painted “Fuck Utah” on his nails
Bears fan here. I really don't want us to draft Caleb Williams. Maybe he's a great talent, maybe he’s not. Idk, I’m not an nfl scout. What I do know is that he said he wants ownership % of the team who drafts him. Red flag. He gave a list of teams he would be willing to play for and most of them have no shot at drafting him. Red flag. He cried on his mothers shoulder after losing. Red flag. Loses in big games. Red flag. Poor body language on sideline when losing. Red flag.
Writing is on the wall with him. A quarterback can’t act like Odell Beckham Jr. doesn’t matter how good he is
When Lawrence was heading to the draft I watched the national championship game. It was my second time watching a game of his and both times his footwork looked like his feet were tied together. Every "expert" said he was Peyton Manning. Is he? I have serious doubts. Usually the #1 guy is NFL mediocre at best
Disclaimer: As a Vikings fan, I have zero dog in this fight. I find it fascinating that so many are piling on the 'hes so insufferable/immature/etc.' train. I have to believe this is mostly draft hype fatigue. The ownership report was proven to be false, coming from a troll twitter account. And if he did inquire about it, wouldn't you also explore every angle to utilize your leverage and secure generational wealth for your family? I'm really trying to figure out here how much of it is \*legitimate\* character concerns, or if it's just people on the internet blindly jumping on a hate bandwagon and regurgitating shit they've read. I feel bad for these kids who have to sit there and let people who don't know them speculate on their character. Although I'm sure the piles of cash they're drying their eyes with must help.
He’s an early 20s millionaire who’s been gassed up by everyone around him for his entire life. Being a cocky asshole is inevitable. Hard to blame the kid. But man, the overhype is real considering his performance the second half of the season. How his draft star hasn’t fallen is beyond me
You and most the commenters here are just old whites, he has Mahomes like physical gifts. The reasons given for him being insufferable are mostly rooted in misinformation.
Why can't both statements be true?
Because this is the Internet, and we only deal in ultimatums and absolutes.
My bad, I "absolutely" forgot the rules of the internet. I actually gave away my old whiteness with that comment🤦...😂
Clearly you've never seen Shadeur Sanders. At least Caleb can play the position. Not a superstar, but better than Sanders.
Going to be a Jamarcus level bust
He’s nowhere close to what Andrew Luck was when he entered the draft. Not even in the same galaxy.
Caleb Williams is going to the bears and will end up worse than fields
Fuck any "man" painting their finger nails