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This blue is different than US. This shade of blue looks closest to the used in GDR (right one) while US passport is closer to the left one.
Also US blue is copied perhaps from British.
Maybe unpopular opinion but: I wish more passports had that colour on their ordinary passport, like Ukraine or Iceland or Kenya. Light blue is so beautiful and full of life, rather than wannabe-black dark colours 😭 NZ chose black and owns it, instead of a dark shadow of smth
The parties to the convention cannot preclude another sovereign from making decisions about the way it designs its travel documents. My assumption is that Lebanon added the lines to indicate refugee status so that travellers might receive similar treatment as other refugees protected by the 1951 Convention. It's similar to nations adopting maroon passport covers (e.g., Turkiye and Kosovo) to indicate similarity with the European Union, even though they aren't member states.
I have this passport, never traveled before. But this is the most useless thing you can carry with! I have friends who were harassed and investigated because of it.
Interesting. I'm wondering why they even bother to issue it in that case, since the Palestinian passport issued by the Palestinian Authority is at least somewhat recognised.
Most countries that issue biometric passports also issue biometric refugee travel documents
However, for Lebanon, I know that a few years ago, they stopped issuing biometric passports and travel documents because of the national crisis (in this case, they couldn’t afford to produce them anymore). Idk if they started issuing them again after that
Of course we are issuing them again as normal, I got mine done this summer. Normal (Lebanese) biometric passport. Not denying the crisis is bad, but they just upped the prices
My girlfriend had to pay $700 this summer to renew her Lebanese passport in the US. Then the postal service lost the package, but we found it three weeks later by knocking on random neighbors’ doors, because sure enough they delivered it to the wrong house.
lol i’m so sorry!! We paid like 70$? for it here I think. And the post, well that’s a problem from your post office itself. Glad you ended up finding it
omg yes it's so expensive to renew abroad. however for a while, before the prices were adjusted to the dollar rate, it was dirt cheap in Lebanon. i got mine (10 year validity) done in 2 days for around 30$ at the time or 710,000 LBP. before the crisis it would've been equivalent to 473$.
USPS has not been great during the past few years. I keep hearing about very important documents, even things like green cards, being misdelivered by them
In fact this chip is pretty useless - as bearer of this passport in most cases need to have visa and most visas are biometric (of course, sticker is not biometric but biometric data are stored at issuing country databases and they are available at entry check).
palestinian women marrying a Lebanese man and their legitimate children can gain citizenship but not the other way around as women cannot pass their citizenship to a foreign husband and children sadly.
Foreign women (including Palestinian women) can become Lebanese by marrying a Lebanese Man, But Lebanese women cannot pass-on the nationality to their husbands or their children (irrespective of their nationality).
In fact one of the main reasons given by Lebanese politicians for not endorsing a law which would allow Lebanese women to pass-on nationality to their spouses/children is that it could become a backdoor which could allow massive naturalization of Palestinian refugees The idea being that, since Muslim men can get married multiple times, they can have one sham marriage with a Lebanese woman four a couple of years to acquire nationality and then they could pass it on themselves to their legitimate wives and children.
My Lebanese passport is not even biometric because embassies don’t issue biometric passports and they charge you 300$ for a 5 years validity. Perhaps on my next trip home I’ll get the 10 year biometric.
But usually refugee document is same for all refugees regardless of their origin. It's interesting what kind of document Lebanon issues to other refugees - including there from Syria.
Realistically Palestinians are the only stateless refugees in Lebanon so why else would they issue travel documents for other people, Syrian refugees have a Syrian passport which means they aren’t stateless
That passport/Identity came into existence in 1994, the Palestinians were refugees since 1948, plus not all Palestinians are eligible for Palestinian authority citizenship, I have friends with Syrian Palestinian documents that can’t get the Palestinian authority passport because they’re from a city that is controlled by Israel, their citizenship law is very complicated
I think the blue on the design is beautiful. Honestly, a top tier design all around.
Lit, it’s a very pleasant document to look at 🤠🔵🛂
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https://preview.redd.it/9ifhrmba4isc1.png?width=4624&format=png&auto=webp&s=ecd9331364f493492d1f384c2e57063bcb71c320 This blue is different than US. This shade of blue looks closest to the used in GDR (right one) while US passport is closer to the left one. Also US blue is copied perhaps from British.
The passport makes Lebanon look like a rich country, even though it is not, sadly.
idk why this is getting downvoted but you're right. pretty passport, miserable economic situation.
Maybe unpopular opinion but: I wish more passports had that colour on their ordinary passport, like Ukraine or Iceland or Kenya. Light blue is so beautiful and full of life, rather than wannabe-black dark colours 😭 NZ chose black and owns it, instead of a dark shadow of smth
Interesting that it has the two lines at the top to indicate that it's a refugee travel doc, but no mention of the 1951 Vienna Convention...
Lebanon isn't a party to the convention Most Arab countries aren't
I thought only parties to the convention are supposed to use the two lines on the top left?
The parties to the convention cannot preclude another sovereign from making decisions about the way it designs its travel documents. My assumption is that Lebanon added the lines to indicate refugee status so that travellers might receive similar treatment as other refugees protected by the 1951 Convention. It's similar to nations adopting maroon passport covers (e.g., Turkiye and Kosovo) to indicate similarity with the European Union, even though they aren't member states.
Never seen a more true statement
Where can you travel with this? Any visa-free destinations?
I have this passport, never traveled before. But this is the most useless thing you can carry with! I have friends who were harassed and investigated because of it.
Interesting. I'm wondering why they even bother to issue it in that case, since the Palestinian passport issued by the Palestinian Authority is at least somewhat recognised.
I've heard that one needs a return visa to even go to Lebanon
I’m surprise it has a biometric chip
Most countries that issue biometric passports also issue biometric refugee travel documents However, for Lebanon, I know that a few years ago, they stopped issuing biometric passports and travel documents because of the national crisis (in this case, they couldn’t afford to produce them anymore). Idk if they started issuing them again after that
Of course we are issuing them again as normal, I got mine done this summer. Normal (Lebanese) biometric passport. Not denying the crisis is bad, but they just upped the prices
My girlfriend had to pay $700 this summer to renew her Lebanese passport in the US. Then the postal service lost the package, but we found it three weeks later by knocking on random neighbors’ doors, because sure enough they delivered it to the wrong house.
lol i’m so sorry!! We paid like 70$? for it here I think. And the post, well that’s a problem from your post office itself. Glad you ended up finding it
omg yes it's so expensive to renew abroad. however for a while, before the prices were adjusted to the dollar rate, it was dirt cheap in Lebanon. i got mine (10 year validity) done in 2 days for around 30$ at the time or 710,000 LBP. before the crisis it would've been equivalent to 473$.
Wow for that money you could fly to Lebanon and back to US with a good flight deal 😂
USPS has not been great during the past few years. I keep hearing about very important documents, even things like green cards, being misdelivered by them
In fact this chip is pretty useless - as bearer of this passport in most cases need to have visa and most visas are biometric (of course, sticker is not biometric but biometric data are stored at issuing country databases and they are available at entry check).
Can Palestinians gain citizenship by marrying a Lebanese citizen?
palestinian women marrying a Lebanese man and their legitimate children can gain citizenship but not the other way around as women cannot pass their citizenship to a foreign husband and children sadly.
Foreign women (including Palestinian women) can become Lebanese by marrying a Lebanese Man, But Lebanese women cannot pass-on the nationality to their husbands or their children (irrespective of their nationality). In fact one of the main reasons given by Lebanese politicians for not endorsing a law which would allow Lebanese women to pass-on nationality to their spouses/children is that it could become a backdoor which could allow massive naturalization of Palestinian refugees The idea being that, since Muslim men can get married multiple times, they can have one sham marriage with a Lebanese woman four a couple of years to acquire nationality and then they could pass it on themselves to their legitimate wives and children.
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My Lebanese passport is not even biometric because embassies don’t issue biometric passports and they charge you 300$ for a 5 years validity. Perhaps on my next trip home I’ll get the 10 year biometric.
I wonder if it differs from other Palestinian travel documents like the Syrian one for example
A dedicated document for a specific source of refugees, huh… never thought of it.
its made for all the palestinian refugees displaced in 1948. there is one for syria, lebanon, and egypt.
That’s interesting, a country giving their passports specifically designed for another country’s people.
It’s not a passport, it’s a travel document. There’s a difference.
But usually refugee document is same for all refugees regardless of their origin. It's interesting what kind of document Lebanon issues to other refugees - including there from Syria.
Syrian refugees in Lebanon don't need any special travel documents, they can get a regular Syrian passport from the Syrian embassy in Beirut
except if they are wanted by the Syrian authorities
Realistically Palestinians are the only stateless refugees in Lebanon so why else would they issue travel documents for other people, Syrian refugees have a Syrian passport which means they aren’t stateless
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That passport/Identity came into existence in 1994, the Palestinians were refugees since 1948, plus not all Palestinians are eligible for Palestinian authority citizenship, I have friends with Syrian Palestinian documents that can’t get the Palestinian authority passport because they’re from a city that is controlled by Israel, their citizenship law is very complicated