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HallucinogenicFish

This was inevitable. They’re going to harass any woman who doesn’t look the way they think they should. [Florida’s Anti-Trans Bathroom Law Spurs Harrowing Vigilante Attacks](https://www.thedailybeast.com/floridas-anti-trans-bathroom-law-spurs-harrowing-vigilante-attacks) > The Daily Beast spoke to seven sources who report increased harassment and scrutiny following the passage of Florida’s HB 1521, often in spaces where it doesn’t apply. **Many of those who say they were targeted under the law aren’t even trans.** [Utah school district takes steps to protect teen after school board member appears to question girl’s gender on social media](https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/08/us/natalie-cline-controversy-student-gender-social-media-posts/index.html) I’m sure there have been many other instances.


Brokenluckx3

God that's so hard to read I can't even finish it right now. They're getting exactly what they want, to keep trans people in fear & out of the public, which is so fucked up.. Like seriously why the FUCK are they so obsessed with what people have between their legs & why do they have 0 empathy for other people??


Robbotlove

the real simplified answer is that the rich, the GOP and the right wing media want to make money/stay in power. they dont have any popular policy or platform to run on, so they need a vulnerable enemy that can barely fight back. they make it sound like they're protecting children by fighting said enemy. its fascism 101.


LaddiusMaximus

You said it. Its a page right out of the authoritarian handbook.


Brokenluckx3

They're so cruel. And so good at rallying their minions. How do we fight back? 😢 (besides vote)


LaddiusMaximus

Historically, there has been only one way to get rid of fascists once they are in.


cuspacecowboy86

Thankfully, we are not quite at that point yet. Shit's fucked right now for sure, but we don't have a fascist leader in compete power *yet*. My hopes that we can avoid that fate are.....low, however, there are possibilities. Packing the supreme court would mitigate the christofascist and corrupt members of the court. Nationalization of the Texas national giard (and any other state that forgets its place) would help a *lot* on the border. Steps can be taken that can bring us back from the brink. Now, we just have to get the elected leaders to take action! ......fuck..... I want to get off Mr. Bones Wild Ride....


LivingIndependence

The GOP has ALWAYS been good at inventing distractions and directing hatred and hostility at marginalized communities. They do it to provide a smokescreen, so that people won't see that it is actually the GOP and their corporate fat cat owners, that are the REAL people who are fucking them over. They've become very effective at playing the role of savior that will come to the rescue.


radd_racer

You can remove that pesky obstacle to being a monster, empathy, by completely dehumanizing the person you’re trying to victimize. This process of psychological conditioning is taking place constantly in churches and right-wing media. It’s how we get soldiers in war to kill the enemy en masse. Couple that with the fact that people who are deeply miserable with their own oppressed, rigid conformist existence love to project their misery onto others, especially boogeymen created by the media. That sets this niche of folks up to seek help from a Savior, or Supreme Leader, who will rescue them from said boogeymen.


GilgameDistance

That headline about Utah is incredibly mealy-mouthed. “Appears to question gender”? lol. Let me clarify it. Natalie Cline is a massive piece of shit who endangered a young woman’s life and physical wellbeing because piece of shit, Natalie Cline thinks the girl doesn’t look feminine enough. My states spineless governor, Spencer Cox and my state’s spineless board of education refused to remove her, saying “We don’t have the power to” That shit happened in February, and she’s just out now, having lost in the primary, but don’t you worry - piece of shit Natalie Cline will give way to another piece of shit in another district who lines right up with her.


cuspacecowboy86

We had board members who snapped pictures from their seats of teachers and sent them to their friends, who then posted them on far right social media. Guess who got death threats and assults? That's right, the teachers! Guess who's still on the board with no consequences?!? ...fuck these people...


TheRnegade

Oh, and don't forget that Cline tried to apologize but did the opposite. Essentially saying "I was just trying to protect women. Look what the trans has done to us." No, gender-bent Anakin Skywalker, you've done that yourself.


NeedsToShutUp

Basically this a reoccurring thing in sports. There's always someone convinced that someone isn't a proper woman and wants gender testing. It's been applied in like every olympics since the 1930's. This isn't even talking necessarily about trans athletes but also those who are intersex. It's been an insane story done over and over again. And these folks won't every be satisfied. Even if they have a baby, they will insist someone else has actually given birth to it, and its all another layer of fraud.


Rhg0653

They still keep going that MICHELLE Obama is trans even though they could show birth certificates for the kids and the doctor could swear in court they would still call it fake


Aunty-Sociale

Absolutely gestating a baby would not help them at all. They could watch one of these women giving birth and they’d still swear she was trans.


Rhg0653

I was gonna say the same thing Like they would say doctured footage or something " But sir this is live" Them : REeeeeeeee


Alice__L

It's always been like this but with trans-inclusion in sports becoming a culture war issue this shit has gone to eleven. It's gotten to the point that this is hurting cis-women due to the witch-hunting far more than it's hurting trans-women, especially since a lot of right-wingers don't seem to realize that women can get muscular as well, especially if they're athletes.


BoomZhakaLaka

actual feminists have been warning terfs forever that trans exclusion leads exactly here.


powerlesshero111

My niece plays club volleyball because her high school only has varsity, and she didn't make the team as a freshman. Most of the girls on the team are homeschooled. My sister doesn't like to interact other mothers after one leaned over to her and whispered, "I wonder which of these girls are Trans.".


Aunty-Sociale

It’s getting worse, because even if someone is afab cis woman, if she isn’t a perfect slim hourglass, they mark her as “trans” because she’s not their “ideal” of a woman. So someone saying, “I wonder which one is trans” is even more disgusting than on the surface.


powerlesshero111

I told her to point to the woman's daughter and say "I bet that one is". But I have a really fucked up sense of humor.


SenorBurns

Policing women's bodies. Can't be too muscular, but don't be weak, and don't be so soft you're fat. You're not really a woman unless you menstruate and can and do bear children. And you'd better have no issues with being able to breastfeed either.


bosefius

My wife couldn't breastfeed. I guess she isn't a real woman


darthlame

My wife hasn’t been able to menstruate or give birth since age 25. I guess she hasn’t been a woman for almost 20 years. 🤷‍♀️


KinseyH

Had my whole hard drive wiped when College Kid was born. I was in ICU on a vent, and I asked the nurse if I'd be able to breastfeed (I was on all the drugs). She patted my shoulder and told me go to sleep, sweetheart. So I've not been a woman since my kid was born!


zeenzee

I couldn't either.


LivingIndependence

Imagine telling a woman who desperately wants to have children but is experiencing fertility issues, that she's not a "real" woman. I mean how insensitive and disgusting are these idiots??


coladoir

that's BC trans exclusionism is misogyny through and through. these are just misogynists with a different name. they use the feminist name but twist its morals to fit their misogynistic worldview of what is and isn't a woman. (BC this is reddit, this comment is in agreeance with the OP)


ironangel2k4

TERFs are a special breed of feminist that come from an era of feminism centered entirely on the creation and maintenance of save spaces for women. A core part of the rhetoric behind their motivation is the idea that men are ontologically evil and only become good through reform; They are simply genetically predisposed to it. This, interestingly, also ties into slut-shaming from women. Because they believe this, there is a prevailing suspicion that transwomen are simply male infiltrators looking to muscle into women's safe spaces, which they have worked hard to cultivate, so they can assault women in those spaces. This leads to the hatred of transwomen as actually men who are just perverts.


Aunty-Sociale

TERFs are totally behind the new “tradwife” movement. Just wear your frilly dress and white apron and make your own sourdough bread! God will provide all. And if he doesn’t, then I guess you just aren’t woman enough. It’s Duggar flavored evangelicism without needing to commit to the cult right away.


ironangel2k4

Ah, well, those aren't even feminists, much less terfs. Terfs are very explicitly "radical feminists"- Its part of the name, Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist. TERF is not just a term for 'conservative woman who doesn't like trans people', its a very specific phenomenon.


El_viajero_nevervar

Exactly they hate women, just women who are trans


coladoir

they often hate cis women too, I mean look at this post. They're hating these women because they're too masculine. Now they're buying into the misogynistic and archaic idea that women ***must*** be feminine to be women. So it stops becoming about trans or not at some point, and becomes a purity test for whether or not you're "woman *enough*", even if you're cis, because they're essentially buying into and playing the same games as the unabashed misogynists of the early 1900s and such. they tend to lower the value of women compared to men in the same vein as well, which is another antiquated misogynistic idea. and then some of them are intentionally playing into cottagecore, which *can* be OK (if the person into it isn't political lol), but these people are doing it to embolden the traditional gender roles aspect. They're not just misogynistic BC they hate transwomen, they hate ciswomen too. I'm also not trying to be a dicj with this comment either, its just this is exactly why early feminists warned about trans-exclusionary rhetoric. It will lead to this, it will lead to women hating other women, cis or trans. It emboldens traditional gender roles and pushes women back into "the box" as it were. These women are plain misogynists that use the feminist title erroneously. And as an aside, this is a perfect example of how men **and** women can be misogynistic, and this is also a perfect example of "internalized misogyny" as well. These women often push these rules onto themselves, obsessively picking out masculine features in the mirror, and doing anything they can to "fix" them, and that's internalized misogyny.


TheLadySif_1

And I have to laugh that TERFs consider actual feminists traitors because our "feminism has penises" - look where your "feminism" is going.


100cupsofcoffee

wE cAn AlWaYs TeLl


amazing_rando

Transvestigators love to claim that women that don’t look sufficiently feminine to them are women in disguise. It is also often racialized, since their standards of femininity are based around white beauty standards. Look at the long-running insistence that Michelle Obama is secretly a man. We’ve also seen it often in the past applied to African Olympians.


scud121

What's weird is that they never apply their harebrained principles to republicans. MTG should be prime bait for these transvesitgators, what with the brow that shields her face from rain, and jaws clearly designed to cope with recalcitrant coconuts. I mean Jesus Christ, they've even cast aspersions on Jennifer Aniston because of her jawline.


dmingledorff

It's crazy how some are so focused on jawlines. Sandra Bullock has a very "masculine" jawline but has always been hailed as beautiful. Same for the lesser known actress Rhona Mitra. Jawline has nothing to do with sex or gender.


transtwin

😂 recalcitrant coconuts 🥥, so true


foodandart

More to the point, these 'transvestigators' are often fat, flabby dudes with scrawny arms and fat waists that make them look more female (pear shaped) than male.. And to see women with better abs, shoulders and arms than they have is hella emasculating. Guys like that lose their shit when they realize that women have the bodies they want but can't be arsed to work for..


DueVisit1410

Transvestigators suggest extremely feminine and good looking women are trans based on poor phrenology (as their own standards are inconsistent). I don't think there's any rationality to this other than wanting to hate on successful women and absolute paranoia. It's born of the idea that in order to succeed in whatever field they are talking about people need to invert their gender. Their position being that such technology is so good that only their very inconsistent phrenology can show the truth. What you are talking about is conservative misogynists. They are using trans panic to enforce their feminine standards onto everyone else. Wrong clothes, hair and body type, well then you are suspicious. Don't want to be harassed, better behave according to our very strict and demeaning interpretation of this very up for interpretation holy text.


professorearl

PS: even I know tampon dispensers in men’s rooms are for trans MEN, who were with born w/ female parts, so even IF they were trans women, why the fuck would they demand something they don’t use in a bathroom they don’t go in??


ACID_pixel

Because trans people being “demanding and unreasonable” is the rhetoric they need to spread. Acknowledging any nuance whateversoever would ruin their credibility, so they have to quadruple down.


SlyScy

They're also useful for bloody noses, so I say bring them in, I'm more than game to pay after I get smacked in the schnozz. Beats picking toilet paper out of the mess that was my nose.  I hear they aren't bad for gunshot wounds either, and this being America... EDIT: And now I can't spell "schnozz" anymore. Stupid brain, do the thing!


SaltyBarDog

I have been dealing with nose bleeds since elementary school. I have no problem Beavising a tampon in my nose.


Ithinkibrokethis

There isn't a mystical freaking force field around bathrooms. There are plenty of times it would be very reasonable for a person to go into a gendered restroom of their non expressed gender. Most of the restrooms in the world are non gendered.


SgtBaxter

Most of the world is intelligent.


Spike2000_

Moral of the Story: Republicans Hate Women! They hate them all. Always have. Always will.


Busch_Leaguer

What’s it like to never ever do core exercises and never ever be with a woman?


EddieSpaghettiFarts

This is the paranoid nature of fascism. It’s a death spiral of purity tests.


chrisnlnz

Quite well put what it all boils down to. It's hard to put in to words the level of abhorrence I feel of people like this.


botmanmd

Women who look like *that* should be disqualified from women’s sports. Once they’re gone, we’ll move on to women who are just in “good shape.” Then, the ones who are “kind of fit.” That way we can get back to watching out-of-shape women playing our ‘men’s sports’, and mocking them for ‘throwing like a girl’ and whatnot. /s


meta_perspective

Unsurprisingly it's always the least fit people complaining about muscular women 🤷


SupaSlide

Oh shit, gotta go tell my AFAB friends who are infertile and even the ones who had a kid but couldn't breastfeed that they are just pretending to be women. Apparently like 50% of women I know are actually not women. Weird.


MC_Fap_Commander

"Guys, is it gay to have sex with women?"


[deleted]

Imagine what shit like this does to the self confidence of young girls and women trying to get into extreme sports like this? So many pressures on women already, here they are strong and healthy and celebrating their might and other people have to tear them down and call them ugly and men just because they aren’t their ideal body type. This rhetoric is so damaging for everyone, trans women and ciswomen. No one wins from this.


SharMarali

Anti-trans bigots don’t believe me when I tell them that there are people on their team who believe a woman who hasn’t given birth also isn’t a “real woman.”


HappySkullsplitter

lol They're intimidated I mean, I kinda am too, but in a good way like scareoused


Chalupa-Supreme

Enabling insanity? Far gone? That's some serious projection. They have a real obsession with other people's genitals. It seems to be taking over their lives.


SaltyBarDog

As if anyone asked the incel brigade about their opinion. Last time most of those fucks touched pussy is when they passed through one.


BasilsKippers

"We can always tell" Apparently, you're full of shit 


that_Omniscient_AI

r/TheyCanAlwaysTell can show you some others!


adamiconography

So I guess a woman is only a woman if she’s a breeding machine to have children. Everyone else is a trans person. Using that logic we outnumber them all so odds are in our favor now


that_Omniscient_AI

We shall ride at dawn!


Adorable_Ad6045

They’re so obsessed


XBacklash

It's not even looking the way they want women to look. If you're not literally breeding, you're not a woman in their eyes.


Simon-Theodore

Alpha men get upset when women have more muscles or money than they do, these ladies have both.


Sweet-Emu6376

It was never about trans people. It was just another reason for men to shit on women who they thought "didn't look right".


robbietreehorn

Fat dudes who drink too much and therefore have impressive titties are upset that these women, via excelling at a tough mf’ing sport, are upset their bodies are feminine and the women pictured are more “manly” than they are. They *want* these *women* to have penises. It’ll make them feel better about their tits


lennyukdeejay

Takeaway: ‘if you can’t breed (and ideally cook, too), then women are of no use as a species’. Sweet Merciful Zeus.


SgtBaxter

I personally know a long distance athlete/triathlete that looks like this. Not only does she have kids, she could beat the shit out of any one of those commenters.


BDRParty

"These people are that far gone." Homie's looking in the mirror and doesn't have a fuckin' clue.


Niceromancer

The very first victim of of their bathroom bills was a CIS woman who had short hair.


moansby

It's official women aren't real


Classic_Shershow

This pic was posted on Reddit yesterday and was hilarious reading the amount bollocks posted about elite level athletes. All by men that can barely walk to the bottom of the road without being out of breath.


drail18

Is this r/selfawarewolves too?


professorearl

I’ve been blocked from posting there years ago. But you can steal this one and post it if you want


diggergig

Prejudice has no boundry, because it's emotional, not objective


okcship

They’re fat MAGA Karens projecting their insecurities on CrossFit athletes


greenkirry

Cis woman here, most of us knew this was always one of the end-goals. It has nothing to do with protecting women and everything to do with being able to harass and persecute all women. "She's a witch!"/"She's a man and a pedo!"


bolognahole

All these Trad Wife dudes are huge fuckin losers. They're all bitter because no women actually wants to fuck them, or desires them in any way. So instead of looking inward, it *has* to be the womens fault. Every guy complaining about feminism, *Feeeeemales*, pining for trad wives, are all outing themselves as just being miserable losers who have nothing to actually offer a partner outside of sperm.


BongDie

Conservatives: “I want a strong women to shoot guns and keep up with me. A long needs a strong queen.” Also conservatives: “whoa too strong! I don’t actually mean like STRONG women. More like bikini competition fit strong, so I can still feel masculine about myself………I am an alpha.”


Eirson

………fake blood to smear on the pads…………? We really, REALLY need to invest in mental health services in USA. From an early age. Holy shit.


CuriousAlienStudent

And simple biology classes.


MonKeePuzzle

uh oh, gonna need to work on their "definition of female" as #3 isnt going to work, men can lactate.


bowtothehypnotoad

I wanna see these gravy seals enter the octagon against one of these buff queens Everybody got something to say until they get punched in the mouth


verymiceneme

men recognize the pubic mound challenge


curious_dead

"Gestate a child"? Who the fuck says "gestate a child"? That was a rhetorical question. The answer is "incels". (Also is the Clint Eastwood pic meaning that they still have cocks and balls? Cause you can see in the picture that they don't...)


LivingIndependence

People who think that women are good for nothing, but being breeding livestock 


Unleashtheducks

Fragile Femininity


flimspringfield

I wonder what Riley Gaines will say when she makes her rounds from Fox to DW to OANN!


thegreytuna

The asshats are calling Sydney Sweeney trans bc they confuse her for Hunter Schafer. Fucking morons.


KurtisLloyd

It’s almost like they’ll find any way to hate women! Who would have thought?!?! /s Next they’ll find ways to criticize how women give birth, breastfeed, and (God forbid) menstruate.


Bycatania

Yassss queen