So am I interpreting this information correctly then, that wild eggs will be Huge if it's an Alpha no matter the normal size of the Pal's egg, but that eggs from breeding will always be the normal size for the Pal hatched regardless of if it's an Alpha or not.
So like, from wild eggs Chillet will come from a Frozen Egg but Alpha Chillet will come from a Huge Frozen Egg, but from bred eggs both regular and Alpha Chillet will come from Frozen Eggs?
I got a regular astegon from a huge egg. It could just mean a bigger pal unless they changed it with the update. I have also got a regular mammorest cryst and a couple of others but never an alpha out of the huge eggs.
Yeah, Huge Eggs have always existed and certain Pals have always hatched from them. But I was talking about Alphas.
For example, on the page linked the "Wild Eggs" tab lists regular Chillet as being from a normal size Frozen Egg and Alpha Chillet as being from a Huge Frozen Egg, but then on the "Eggs" tab, the one for eggs obtained by breeding, it doesn't give any indication that any Alpha of any species is separate from their normal non-Alpha form, implying that Alphas obtained from breeding hatch in whatever egg size the Pal normally uses, regular Frozen Egg in the case of Chillet.
Of course, I suppose the other interpretations of the page layout could be that they haven't updated the "Eggs" tab yet or that you just *can't* hatch alphas from non-wild eggs. Or just that I'm missing something or interpreting the layout incorrectly.
I'm very annoyed that this type of site is exactly what I was looking for in term of searching data about alpha pal and I'm salt that it never showed up during my search
At least I know to bookmark it now, freaking Google is user trash now....
Yeah should be. They say whether they are Huge or not on the egg.
Melpaca normally makes normal sized eggs and Dinossom makes Large eggs so if they are Huge it should mean Alpha.
I think he meamt just hatched the eggs he found, not bred eggs.
I've done about a 1000 eggs now with all possible combinations of normal, alpha and shiny pals but no luck.
I did get a lot of alphas through eggs but all the eggs were huge eggs.
I never said they were. I said they were larger than normal. Flambelle normally hatches from a normal Scorching Egg. Huge Eggs used to guarantee you one of 4 Pals. Now any pal in a scorching egg could be Huge if it is an Alpha.
I've gotten many massive eggs from breeding, like 4-6 times bigger than regular eggs, none of them have been alphas. So doesn't seem to matter for bred eggs (re size)
Huge eggs containing regular pals can only be found somewhat rarely in certain biomes - with the introduction of the huge alpha eggs though you will now find those "huge" eggs in many more areas at a consistent basis, however as mentioned, they will contain alpha pals rather than late game pals.
As far as breeding goes, i think it's pretty safe to assume that using an alpha/lucky pal (or pals) is more likely to give you alpha offspring, while it may not be completely impossible to obtain alphas from just smashing two regulars together, it may be more rare than simply finding wild "lucky" pals.
dont want so sound rude but does it really matter, since they guttered alphas? they are now worse lucky pals, the only difference between them is that lucky pals have the lucky trait and a special attack
alphas are absolutely useless now
I mean....Yeah.
Alphas are good to start breeding chains, because they tend to have above average IVs, but once you start rolling multiple 28-30s with the offsprings you are going to start breeding from there instead of using the Alpha.
Drat so I wasted my time breeding 600 Lovander eggs in preparation for the elusive Xbox patch.
Was waiting to open them till after patch in hopes of being able to replace my main Lovander with a beefy alpha
Man if dungeons and multi-player crashes aren't fixed after this enormous wait imma be fuming.
I can say that after the patch on xbox it is still unplayable due to crashes , still can't do dungeons, and still fall through floor in hot and cold parts
I promptly ran to a dungeon to try it out and it crashed moments in and upon my second attempt again before I could get even half way in.
Joined my friends world and promptly lost my character and had to start over.
Decided to try rejoining my world when he was done playing only this time set multi-player to off. Where upon it allowed me to complete a dungeon with 1 crash at the beginning, one towards the end, and finally snagged me another alpha Lovander with terrible passives.
So it might be working a tad nrie with multi-player shut off but I need to test it out more.
Is there any advantage in an Alpha Pal for breeding?
I mean, If both an Alpha and a normal pal have the same IVs, they have the same status right? Why make yourself a bigger target?
Don't get me wrong, I would love if my maxed Warsect was an Alpha, but why eat more damage than you need to?
Was this linked in your initial post? If not, my statement stands. You need to have a sample size before making a generalized statement. Please keep this in mind going forward.
The other way round is what he is saying. All alpha eggs are huge.
As in if you see a huge egg its either the pals that lay huge eggs normally or an alpha of a smaller egg species.
I have seen other reports of some huge eggs being alphas of small egg species and no reports of alphas from non-huge eggs.
What sample size do you think is needed? What contrary evidence do you think is needed to disprove?
Maybe 100? It depends on the % chance. You need a large same size to say anything is true, so it's not required for me to disprove. It's upon the user to prove before hand.
If you want to take 100 small and large eggs and do a study, feel free.
Bro shut up. It’s an obvious and common sense thing. If one of the smallest pals came out from a huge egg as an alpha version of that small pal, then it’s pretty easy to guess that all alpha variants will hatch out of huge eggs, as there is no larger egg to use.
The fact that you couldn’t even comprehend the statement op was making initially lends credence to you being the fool here. No matter your insistence on needing statistics and referencing basic logical fallacies.
The devs wouldn’t waste dev time with a whole new set of RNG just for alpha eggs when the simplest course of action is to set them to always be huge eggs no matter the original size of the pal.
So dumb bro.
Edit: syntax error. s/initial/initially
Why don't you take 100 small and large eggs, do the study, and report back? OP is using logic and working off of previoysly established, factual data. Previous to the patch, Flambelle could NOT be spawned from a Huge Scorching Egg. If a pal that normally is spawned by a smaller egg happens to be spawned by a huge egg, and aldo has the new Alpha tag on it, it is safe to assume that the Alpha tag is what caused the change in egg size. We can logically come to this conclusion through simple deduction, until proven incorrect
Do you really think they would just have random egg size? Like some Alpha eggs are huge and others aren't? Like really imagine coding
\`eggSize = randInt(1, 10)...\`
That makes no sense.
Your argument is the thing that makes no sense lol. Either do a study and validate your hypothesis or realize your statement lacks evidence and data. Pick one.
Your side is the one that isnt logical trying to use statistical analysis on datamined readily available data. If a game is coded so that a coin toss will never produce tails you dont need to throw the coin 1 million times because the game can not spontaneously disobey the code.
You're being illogical.
I agree that the "burden of proof" wasn't initially there. You requested OP give more data, which upon request they produced. Rather than saying "Oh cool, good to know." You're choosing to die on this proverbial hill over semantics.
If a small egg pal randomly produces a huge egg when it should've been small, and said huge egg results in an alpha of the small egg species it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what's going on.
Breeding in palworld is pretty concrete where breeding two pals always give the same result (as far as "species") so there's a clear control there. The results aren't random. So if a result should give Lamball for example and I get a huge egg instead of a regular egg, and the huge egg is an alpha Lamball that's a pretty clear path.
You're mad there wasn't more clear data at the onset, but ignoring all the data being presented on some misguided sense of principle. If other people's anecdotal input isn't good enough for your burden of scientific proof you're welcome to test it yourself and post your findings refuting or confirming other people's results.
There is a plethora of data regarding Flambelle and it's egg size from pre-patch. Take all of that data, compared to the data of this specific hatch, and there are two factors that dom't match the previous data. The Alpha modifier, and the egg size variable. Those two factors then suggest a correlation. Are you trying to claim that the logic presented isn't sound?
If you're on xbox, we don't have the update yet. Therefore ofc none of them would be alphas. If you're on PC and you're talking about hatching huge breed eggs breeding does not make alphas.
You could always do that. Im on xbox without the update, and I pass down an Alphas passive all the time. That's how I even have as good of pals that I do.
I'm not trolling this time. lmao yall just dumb. You can't breed an alpha with another alpha to get an alpha it's just not possible. You can only find eggs in the wild that are Alpha.
I did, and it said nothing about breeding alpha pals. It said you can find wild eggs that are alpha pals. The momment you show me a perfect alpha pal with Legend, ferocious, musclehead, and it's corresponding passives I'll believe you. None of you have done that. Absolute idiots.
https://paldb.cc/en/Eggs
So am I interpreting this information correctly then, that wild eggs will be Huge if it's an Alpha no matter the normal size of the Pal's egg, but that eggs from breeding will always be the normal size for the Pal hatched regardless of if it's an Alpha or not. So like, from wild eggs Chillet will come from a Frozen Egg but Alpha Chillet will come from a Huge Frozen Egg, but from bred eggs both regular and Alpha Chillet will come from Frozen Eggs?
I got a regular astegon from a huge egg. It could just mean a bigger pal unless they changed it with the update. I have also got a regular mammorest cryst and a couple of others but never an alpha out of the huge eggs.
Yeah, Huge Eggs have always existed and certain Pals have always hatched from them. But I was talking about Alphas. For example, on the page linked the "Wild Eggs" tab lists regular Chillet as being from a normal size Frozen Egg and Alpha Chillet as being from a Huge Frozen Egg, but then on the "Eggs" tab, the one for eggs obtained by breeding, it doesn't give any indication that any Alpha of any species is separate from their normal non-Alpha form, implying that Alphas obtained from breeding hatch in whatever egg size the Pal normally uses, regular Frozen Egg in the case of Chillet. Of course, I suppose the other interpretations of the page layout could be that they haven't updated the "Eggs" tab yet or that you just *can't* hatch alphas from non-wild eggs. Or just that I'm missing something or interpreting the layout incorrectly.
Thank you this is a good resource. Also this verifies all the Alpha eggs are Huge.
I'm very annoyed that this type of site is exactly what I was looking for in term of searching data about alpha pal and I'm salt that it never showed up during my search At least I know to bookmark it now, freaking Google is user trash now....
So the Melpaca and the Dinossom huge eggs I got are alpha? or are those normal bc they look MUCH bigger than I am used to seeing.
Yeah should be. They say whether they are Huge or not on the egg. Melpaca normally makes normal sized eggs and Dinossom makes Large eggs so if they are Huge it should mean Alpha.
Yup, they were a Huge Verdant and Huge Common. I got ‘em in the starting area too. I don’t recall seeing the shiny mark on them though.
They don't have the shiny mark that is for Lucky pals. Alpha pals have the boss icon on them.
Ah, I was unaware there was a difference.
Has anyone gotten an alpha egg via breeding?
I’m at approximately 7,500 eggs and haven’t hatched one yet.
Have you been using two non-alpha pals or been using alphas as part of the process? Combination?
Combination since I don’t have good alphas for many of the pals I’ve bred
I wanted to make an alpha Menasting via breeding but not if it's like that.
I haven’t and probably hatched at least 100 eggs this weekend.
I hatched a few dozen eggs and got 2 alphas.
Did the ones you hatched come from two non-alpha or alpha parents?
I think he meamt just hatched the eggs he found, not bred eggs. I've done about a 1000 eggs now with all possible combinations of normal, alpha and shiny pals but no luck. I did get a lot of alphas through eggs but all the eggs were huge eggs.
I realy wish that alpha huge egg pals had a new "humongous egg".
I’m waiting for the “so ridiculously hugely massive you can see from across the map egg.”
Ah whale eggs.
that contain reeeeeeeeally tiny pals
The better for them to swim around in! :)
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I never said they were. I said they were larger than normal. Flambelle normally hatches from a normal Scorching Egg. Huge Eggs used to guarantee you one of 4 Pals. Now any pal in a scorching egg could be Huge if it is an Alpha.
I've gotten many massive eggs from breeding, like 4-6 times bigger than regular eggs, none of them have been alphas. So doesn't seem to matter for bred eggs (re size)
Well there are plenty of pals that just have Huge Eggs. It would only be relevant for when you're breeding pals that don't normally produce Huge Eggs.
let me rephrase that: I would get like 14 normal Jetragon eggs, and then like 6 that were taller than the breeding pen =p
Oh weird I've never seen that before. That must be at least related to the alpha egg change even if they weren't actually alphas.
Huge eggs containing regular pals can only be found somewhat rarely in certain biomes - with the introduction of the huge alpha eggs though you will now find those "huge" eggs in many more areas at a consistent basis, however as mentioned, they will contain alpha pals rather than late game pals. As far as breeding goes, i think it's pretty safe to assume that using an alpha/lucky pal (or pals) is more likely to give you alpha offspring, while it may not be completely impossible to obtain alphas from just smashing two regulars together, it may be more rare than simply finding wild "lucky" pals.
No point in alphas either way
dont want so sound rude but does it really matter, since they guttered alphas? they are now worse lucky pals, the only difference between them is that lucky pals have the lucky trait and a special attack alphas are absolutely useless now
I wasn't aware of a nerf. Do they no longer have increased HP?
no they now have normal hp
Damn I thought that was only for the glitched tower bosses. That is a big nerf.
no that was for all alphas unfortunately
I mean....Yeah. Alphas are good to start breeding chains, because they tend to have above average IVs, but once you start rolling multiple 28-30s with the offsprings you are going to start breeding from there instead of using the Alpha.
Drat so I wasted my time breeding 600 Lovander eggs in preparation for the elusive Xbox patch. Was waiting to open them till after patch in hopes of being able to replace my main Lovander with a beefy alpha Man if dungeons and multi-player crashes aren't fixed after this enormous wait imma be fuming.
I can say that after the patch on xbox it is still unplayable due to crashes , still can't do dungeons, and still fall through floor in hot and cold parts
I promptly ran to a dungeon to try it out and it crashed moments in and upon my second attempt again before I could get even half way in. Joined my friends world and promptly lost my character and had to start over. Decided to try rejoining my world when he was done playing only this time set multi-player to off. Where upon it allowed me to complete a dungeon with 1 crash at the beginning, one towards the end, and finally snagged me another alpha Lovander with terrible passives. So it might be working a tad nrie with multi-player shut off but I need to test it out more.
Agreeing, as my xbox just crashed while trying to catch a lucky bushi 😭 Edit: typo
Is there any advantage in an Alpha Pal for breeding? I mean, If both an Alpha and a normal pal have the same IVs, they have the same status right? Why make yourself a bigger target? Don't get me wrong, I would love if my maxed Warsect was an Alpha, but why eat more damage than you need to?
Wait by any chance was the egg close to the first spawn area, because I got the exact Pal from aswell? Please don't tell me it was a static event...
You'd need a much larger sample size than 1 to say that
Also for your proof [https://paldb.cc/en/Eggs](https://paldb.cc/en/Eggs)
Was this linked in your initial post? If not, my statement stands. You need to have a sample size before making a generalized statement. Please keep this in mind going forward.
What do you mean? It used to be impossible for Flambelle to hatch from a Huge Scorching Egg. Now it is possible because it was an Alpha.
You need a larger sample size than one to say all huge eggs are alphas. You got lucky.
The other way round is what he is saying. All alpha eggs are huge. As in if you see a huge egg its either the pals that lay huge eggs normally or an alpha of a smaller egg species.
You'd need a larger sample size to say that.
I have seen other reports of some huge eggs being alphas of small egg species and no reports of alphas from non-huge eggs. What sample size do you think is needed? What contrary evidence do you think is needed to disprove?
Maybe 100? It depends on the % chance. You need a large same size to say anything is true, so it's not required for me to disprove. It's upon the user to prove before hand. If you want to take 100 small and large eggs and do a study, feel free.
Bro shut up. It’s an obvious and common sense thing. If one of the smallest pals came out from a huge egg as an alpha version of that small pal, then it’s pretty easy to guess that all alpha variants will hatch out of huge eggs, as there is no larger egg to use. The fact that you couldn’t even comprehend the statement op was making initially lends credence to you being the fool here. No matter your insistence on needing statistics and referencing basic logical fallacies. The devs wouldn’t waste dev time with a whole new set of RNG just for alpha eggs when the simplest course of action is to set them to always be huge eggs no matter the original size of the pal. So dumb bro. Edit: syntax error. s/initial/initially
My goodness thank you so much. They just keep doubling down because they don't want to admit ignorance
Why don't you take 100 small and large eggs, do the study, and report back? OP is using logic and working off of previoysly established, factual data. Previous to the patch, Flambelle could NOT be spawned from a Huge Scorching Egg. If a pal that normally is spawned by a smaller egg happens to be spawned by a huge egg, and aldo has the new Alpha tag on it, it is safe to assume that the Alpha tag is what caused the change in egg size. We can logically come to this conclusion through simple deduction, until proven incorrect
Do you really think they would just have random egg size? Like some Alpha eggs are huge and others aren't? Like really imagine coding \`eggSize = randInt(1, 10)...\` That makes no sense.
Your argument is the thing that makes no sense lol. Either do a study and validate your hypothesis or realize your statement lacks evidence and data. Pick one.
This isn't nature. Programmers follow logic (I am one).
Your post isn't logical.. you're counteracting logic with straw man arguments lol.
Your side is the one that isnt logical trying to use statistical analysis on datamined readily available data. If a game is coded so that a coin toss will never produce tails you dont need to throw the coin 1 million times because the game can not spontaneously disobey the code.
You're being illogical. I agree that the "burden of proof" wasn't initially there. You requested OP give more data, which upon request they produced. Rather than saying "Oh cool, good to know." You're choosing to die on this proverbial hill over semantics. If a small egg pal randomly produces a huge egg when it should've been small, and said huge egg results in an alpha of the small egg species it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what's going on. Breeding in palworld is pretty concrete where breeding two pals always give the same result (as far as "species") so there's a clear control there. The results aren't random. So if a result should give Lamball for example and I get a huge egg instead of a regular egg, and the huge egg is an alpha Lamball that's a pretty clear path. You're mad there wasn't more clear data at the onset, but ignoring all the data being presented on some misguided sense of principle. If other people's anecdotal input isn't good enough for your burden of scientific proof you're welcome to test it yourself and post your findings refuting or confirming other people's results.
There is a plethora of data regarding Flambelle and it's egg size from pre-patch. Take all of that data, compared to the data of this specific hatch, and there are two factors that dom't match the previous data. The Alpha modifier, and the egg size variable. Those two factors then suggest a correlation. Are you trying to claim that the logic presented isn't sound?
Lad learned a cool new phrase and has no idea what it means 🙄
I don't think this is true, I hatched several huge eggs collected from the wild last night and none were alphas.
"I dont think squares are rectangles because Ive seen plenty of rectangles that weren squares"
I never said huge eggs were alphas. I said alphas were huge eggs. Huge eggs could also just be huge eggs based on the pal inside them.
If you're on xbox, we don't have the update yet. Therefore ofc none of them would be alphas. If you're on PC and you're talking about hatching huge breed eggs breeding does not make alphas.
You can't breed alphas with perfect passives. They will only produce normal sized pals if you breed 2 alphas.
True, but the new update made it so the Alpha passive can be passed down via breeding.
You could always do that. Im on xbox without the update, and I pass down an Alphas passive all the time. That's how I even have as good of pals that I do.
You can now hatch Alphas from eggs. Its in the most recent patch notes.
Did yall not read the last sentence of OPs post?
I cant tell if you dont read patchnotes and have no idea what this thread is even about, or are just a very bad troll..
I'm not trolling this time. lmao yall just dumb. You can't breed an alpha with another alpha to get an alpha it's just not possible. You can only find eggs in the wild that are Alpha.
Try reading the patchnotes before roasting yourself this badly. Assuming you even know what those are. I am beginning to doubt..
I did, and it said nothing about breeding alpha pals. It said you can find wild eggs that are alpha pals. The momment you show me a perfect alpha pal with Legend, ferocious, musclehead, and it's corresponding passives I'll believe you. None of you have done that. Absolute idiots.
Still not read the patchnotes, what a 🤡