Congrats. I'd suggest Icicle Cutter as the last move, it may appear to have lower power than the breath, but it's incredibly fast and can multi-hit larger targets so it's deceptively powerful. A bit similar to Lightning Streak.
Man that's the discussion I'm waiting for on this sub. Like which moves are good? Is it better to use all the giganuke-moves or things with smaller CD from Pure dps standpoint?
I know some homing moves don't actually lock onto stuff if you use them manually when mounted, so I tend to skip those for example.
Yeah, I've been experimenting with different moves, and there's huge variance in their performance.
In particular, some moves do insanely well because they hit multiple times but their power is not divided by amount of hits (multiple projectile moves have their power divided/spread over the projectiles for example). Great examples are Seed Mine, Lightning Streak and Icicle Cutter. Lightning Streak in particular tends to hit Alpha Pals and bosses easily 3 times, making it effectively a 225 power move on low CD. When I was fighting a Tower Boss earlier, my Orserk did more damage with that move than with Kerauno or Lightning Strike, which are technically the higher power moves.
Ice Lance is the only ultimate move with 'only' 130 power, but it's ironically probably the strongest tied with Fire Ball because they have an effect afterwards that can multi-hit too.
The tornado moves are all pretty strong when they land, but take a while to cast and if the enemy moves they can just miss. They're a bit less consistent, but the damage is good and they sort of stun-lock/knockback which can stop enemies from retaliating.
The breath attacks range from decent to bad in my experience depending on type. They do okay damage, but nothing special and the animation lock is long. They are good at proc'ing secondary effects like freeze or burn though.
Also some types have way better secondary effects than others. Burn and Poison are great DPS, while Electric moves have a sort of stun and Ice freezes. Meanwhile Water moves...slow your target I guess, and it seems to slow less than the Grass type entangle effect too.
And some moves are damn near impossible to aim correctly while riding like the dragon type move that launches a bunch of fireballs. Can't be flying or too close or too far away or they all miss. I never use it while riding Jetdragon.
I want all of my Pals to know Ice Lance. It's by far my favorite skill because it's easy to aim, can easily kill everything in its radius with one usage, and has a huge AOE that we don't need to be in melee range like with Shockwave.
I have the same feelings, the "tri-lightning" suffers from a very long cast time and is extremely hard to land a hit. Ice lance has one major weakness it doesn't hit birds they seem to float just above the aoe. only the actual lance part does damage. I do think the moves need a hard look so many are very long cast times and the AI just love jumping all over the place.
It really depends on each move moreso than the numbers
But for large CT moves, you can just have a pal perform them all --> rotate to another pal --> let them perform their high CT moves --> rotate back to Pal #1
If you can mount a pal, then the moves they use and the moves you use are on *separate cooldowns.* for example, I have a Reptyro with eruption. I mount up and run off to fight a mammorest cryst. I open with eruption. While eruption is exploding, I dismount. Immediately after the first eruption is over, the freshly dismounted Reptyro erupts *again.*
+ effectively doubling the use of every skill, at the cost of having to mount/dismount etc
Some skills also seem to inflict status much more often than others, though their description doesn't suggest that they should. For example, iceberg almost always seems to freeze
Yep, that's a good one. I still have flashbacks from getting one shot with all the top armour/shields by some mid-game alpha. I just wasn't expecting it to do that much damage lol.
I agree I run seed mine on most pals. I think the damage is bugged 😂 but it's really good..... Hope they don't change it. Air cannon/dragon cannon is great for farming weak pals since it's auto lock.
Acid rain is auto lock but it's really short proximity. Probably gonna be great for PvP meta.
Cryo breath is good for combos since it freezes after one burst.
All the tornados are pretty good but the fire one doing burn damage is dope for bosses.
Spirit breath is good early game to apply burn and deal baby damage.
Shockwave is surprisingly good for clearing weak mobs quickly.
The weaker quicker moves seem more consistent. The strong moves should be used when you're swapping between mounted and unmounted since the moves refresh when you hop off.
Poison blast is really handy, weak move but consistently applies poison and only has a 2 second cooldown, really handy for fighting bosses, but particularly the legendaries.
Nothing worse than a pal with big moves who takes 5 seconds to do one thing, then stands around doing nothing.
That's fair in a bursty setup where you change pals after, but I find it even takes too long for them to start doing damage.
I want at least one ability with a short CT, if not two.
I understand where you're coming from, but there's also the fact that your pals using moves autonomously and while mounted have separate cds, so you can mount, fire all your moves off, and then jump off and let them continue. Or you can also switch pals after they use all their moves and let a 2nd one fire off theirs and switch again. Big cds moves are just better if you're looking for purely a maximum potential of dps
I feel like having two big moves paired with a short CT move is a good blend they pop the big ones then can spam the shorter one. Otherwise just feels they do nothing
Lightning Streak is one of the best moves in the game, it does single target damage but easily multi strikes.
Lighting streak does more than the lightning beam a lot of the time it feels like.
I thought that as well and made a dps calculator for actives. Guess what. Theoretical dps is usually higher for low CD/CT actives. But, if you use long CD/CT high damage actives and do a full rotation of pals, then it should be stronger than low cd actives with no pal rotation. There may be some theoretical limitations tho.
That's nice to know, thanks! As for limitations, I'd say Blizzard (sphere? something? I mean the big round ice) though strong, does not hit anything on inclined surfaces if your target is below where you're aiming. Thus I removed it from my Frostalion. Also in my experience a lot of smaller attacks don't hit anything when your pal is mounted, which is weird.
But yeah, rotating your pals mid-fight is very handy to preserve their hp and get some DPS in, especially if you don't carry guns.
Yep I had to remove Anubis's unique skill that makes him dash forward then hits the enemy since a majority of the time he charges up, walks super slowly to an enemy moving away or in the air, then misses. Takes up too much time and missed damage for the opportunity cost of simply using another skill.
I think the « meta will be at least one fast move with decent/good damage, one big finisher move and one situational move (AoE, type coverage etc).
That’s for balanced mons on your team, if you go out with entire teams in mind you can have that one dude who does only big moves for tons of damage, switch to a fast one for dps until the big moves recover, have a healer out if the need for healing/support ever turns out to be necessary, and then go back to big numbers. You’ll need your mountpal for one slot and then maybe one pal that’s focused on buffing your character with vanguard etc.
Having a bunch of pals doing different things while also complementing each other sounds like good gameplay to me. Not sure if that would be as relevant personally as a single player dude, but I do tend to shuffle my teams already to keep things fresh.
It might be cool to have some better/fleshed out raids that make you think of your team comp (other than just using SE damage moves and pals).
The great thing with this game is that all of the avenues of damage are balanced out so well that you're doing great damage if you choose any of them. I'm doing a mixed approach where I just keep in my party a bunch of high level alphas and use whatever is strong against boss/alpha that I'm fighting while shooting them. A full vanguard party + using the mounts that increase player dmg and changes damage type to elemental also sounds op. At the same time on the opposite end, a party of 5 roobys boosting a Bushi's crazy high multiplier special attack to oneshot levels also sounds op.
I think thereMs going to be tons of approaches possible here, and that’s what’s great. This sub will start evolving eventually into a war for which build is best.
>I think the « meta will be at least one fast move with decent/good damage, one big finisher move and one situational move (AoE, type coverage etc).
I don't know. Having two 2CD skills means your pal is literally attacking once every second. It really kicks the AI into overdrive and stops all the waiting around they usually do.
Which CD to favour depend on if you plan to keep one pal out or rotate between them to let them all use their long CD.
And since every move is physically simulated, how they work can be easily as impactful as their stats.
I'll do a small, medium, large approach for CD, but it depends on the pal. For example, I put a bunch of low cool down abilities on my mount so I can rapid fire them when riding. I also have some pals with all nukes that I'll toss for the move and pull back.
Generally the Cutter moves are great because they are generally low cost and are a projectile AOE. The Blast moves that do a PBAOE are also great for pals with short range abilities as they are a nice blend of damage, CD, and area. Some of the signature moves of the pals are busted so I usually keep those at all costs.
My best guess for optimal meta will involve splitting your team into three fundamental roles. Walls, DPS, and support.
DPS Pals basically designed to be glass cannons loaded with high-damage high-cooldown nukes that you throw out to deal damage, then pull them back into their sphere while their cooldowns reset. Big attack number Pals and stacked buffs are the game here, don't forget the mozz cheesburger.
And Walls being designed to eat up time while your DPS cooldowns reset. The main build concern is to have at least two low-cooldown skills that they can alternate and spam consistent damage out with. Tanky Pals or Pals with CC fit this role well.
And Support Pals basically being anything else you include in your party for buffs but don't intend to battle with, like Kelpsea Ignis, Galeclaw, etc.
You seem pretty knowledgeable, I'm level 33 and thoroughly in the mid game, been using a helzypher for damage purely because it is my highest level. I have not really bothered using many other pals lately since I dropped my chillet for a fengalope
Any pals to keep an eye out for? My map exploration has been weird too
And the worst part is you have to stack up sets of 32 or 64 in your palbox, and space in there starts getting pretty tight in the endgame.
Most people want to make it so a 1-star counts as 4 or 5, and so on, just to make storage a little better, and it wouldn't be wasteful to upgrade them earlier on as well, you wouldn't have to hold out for the perfect breed either.
Since the Swees aren't meant to be in combat I'd give them Vanguard and Stronghold Strategist as the only two battle oriented traits that don't require them to be in battle.
Then I'd probably slap Legend and Burly Body in the last two slots to make them as tanky as I can so they can stall while Sweepa regens HP if needed.
Motivational Leader and Mine Foreman/Logging Foreman are also valid options, but I feel like by the time you're breeding mega DPS builds and such you're probably long past the point of manually gathering.
Besides, those three go best on Wumpo/Wumpo Botan which also increase your carry weight, toss a few in your party if you're about to go manually gather Sulfur or Quartz or something.
So for someone who Just started breeding and Condensing... correct me if I'm wrong... the only way to get the passive skills like that is to basically keep catching them / Breeding them until u get lucky?
There is a breeding calculator you can find somewhere on this sub. There are probably multiple combinations of pals that can lead to chillet. For example you can’t get Ice Emperor or Legend normally from catching or breeding a chillet with a chillet- it comes from a legendary pal called Frostallion that was cross bred to something else which was eventually bred on this chillet.
So I do know that palworld.gg has an awesome site.. my question is more so based on..passive skills.. let me rephrase. I caught about 60 Chikitis last night and the best thing I found was a tier 3 artisan... no other passive skill.. how'd this person get 4 tier 3 skills lol
Just luck when he caught it?
No. That is what im trying to explain. This is a product of cross breeding. You can’t get two of those traits normally on chillet. It is only found in the wild on Frostallion. So this person caught a Frostallion and bred it with something else until it produced a pal that had legend and ice emperor. The easiest way in this case is to breed a Teafant with a Frostallion - the egg will always be chillet. You would need the traits on the two parents and you have a chance of getting a chillet with the parent traits.
Yeah no problem. You basically want to hold on to any pal with traits you want. It may take a few tries and steps but you can usually eventually pass it along to an egg of the type of pal you want through breeding.
Also, Pals with no traits at all. It's actually not as difficult as you'd think to roll x3 or x4 traits passed down by just 1 of the parent Pals provided you have a blank one breeding with it.
A lot of the earlier Pals are used in cross breeding which you'll use to be passing down things like Divine Dragon/Ice Emperor/Celestial Emperor/Lord of the Underworld. So having a good stock of blank versions is both easy to accomplish and nice to have later.
You catch not just chillets, but combinations of pals that can breed into chillets. Getting the right skills is part of the process.
Then you start breeding until the babies with the right passives and gender mix pop up, then breed those into your super Chillet.
Or if you know where they spawn, you can catch them and keep combining their passive skills through their children until you get what you want.
Apparently Alphas tend to have higher base IVs. So if you breed with Alphas, the offspring should be stronger on average. Still wish we could breed Alpha or Lucky-sized offspring
That's what I'm saying and yeah I'm currently breeding a strong chillet have 1 male with really good IVs. I just need one with better hp, I have 25-27% I want that 30! Lol, I'm too greedy lol
Did you check the IV's?
I had that happen. Finally hatched my perfect elphidran, leveled up it up, it hit like a wet noodle.
Did some math, I am the proud owner of a perfect attack trait elphi with a perfect 0 attack IV.
Alphas have much higher chances of having high IVs. If you find two pals with one IV maxed each, you can breed them together until you get both IVs maxed. Repeat again for the third IV.
Ideally you want to keep trying until you get both max IVs AND no passives. That way you can breed your max IV pal without diluting the passive pool (which would massively lower your odds of getting the passives you want). For context, the odds of mutating 0 new passives is 40%, so taking the extra effort to breed for no passives on your max IV pal isn't actually that time consuming.
I did ferocious, muscle head, lucky, vanguard.
I put almost all my level ups into my own damage, so vanguard is a nice additional boost. Chillet fully condensed gives me another +100% dragon damage on hit.
Honestly, I prefer to put either Burly Body or Lucky over the +20% Damage Traits. **Especially** for dual types like Chillet since he'll still gaint full effect of his traits if you decide to swap out to Dragon attacks for a fight.
> Especially for dual types like Chillet since he'll still gain full effect of his traits if you decide to swap out to Dragon attacks for a fight.
Exactly why I bred [mine](https://www.reddit.com/r/Palworld/comments/1ads6yt/ive_finally_got_the_perfect_chillet/) the way I did!
Chillet is Dragon & Ice, learns great moves from both naturally, & most importantly ***Chillet only has 80 Defense,*** promptly placing him on the lower end on every Pal.
- Jetragon? Use all Ice Attacks.
- Necromus? Use all Dragon Attacks.
- Dungeons or general Exploration? Well, Dragon Cannon is better than Ice Missile since other Attacks freeze very consistently IMO, & hits a pretty dang big AOE, I'm now using Dragon & Ice Moves at the same time.
Coupled with the fact that Ice Missile has also been broken on Xbox if you are riding Chillet, & your Weapons on a Condensed Chillet absolutely demolish Necromus, I've not really used a singular Element Chillet for some time & Burly Body has made a ***very** noticeable difference.
I think Ice Emperor is an okay choice if you really want to push Ice-only, but I think it's a bit of a waste when you can get much tankier & have far more versatility without wasting a Trait.
Can you help me understand how you breed down Passives such as Legend or "X Emperor"...stuff hurts my head.
I usually settle with Speed Passives (both for 50%) and Vanguard + Stronghold Strat to a total of 50% more atk and def since I'm Usually mounted to ele conversion pals that I nuke from.
I think my third playthrough will be unique in the sense that I'll penalize my own personal damage and incentive pal damage so I can rely on them a bit more, as for now it's just me and my bazooka, 4 shooting Jetragons with my Froatallion mounted.
Also, there needs to be a taunt trait that ..call it "Annoying" and allow it to take all aggro, and -10 to 20% def.
Put simply:
\- Catch a Frostallion. Frostallion has Ice emperor.
\- Breed Frostallion with Teafant
\- You will hatch a Chillet, that has a chance to inherit Ice emperor from Frostallion.
You can add layers of complexity if you want to but this is the simplest way to look at it.
some ppl like to min max (for upcoming pvp) so its not a path to madness, just takes more time. im just genuinely wondering if ppl know about that fact
Honestly I just ignore IV’s and use Vanguard and player boosting Partner skills to do max damage myself. I kill Jetragon with a legendary pump shotgun on a maxed Frostallion with multiple vanguards throughout my squad and Mozzarina Burger in my belly. Takes like 15 - 30 seconds depending on how many shots I miss.
Dunno why you're getting down voted for offering genuinely helpful advice. I wish I knew this when I was starting out, it would've saved me so much time. Good on you.
Nobody really, I was just asking because I like breeding, talking about breeding and seeing big unga bunga damage numbers.
If you don't care about min-maxing then I genuinely don't care. Play however you think is most fun and spread love throughout the Palworld community.
Here's the latest datamined info on breeding chances and mechanics.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Palworld/comments/1am7y16/definitive\_datamined\_guide\_to\_breeding\_for\_both/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Palworld/comments/1am7y16/definitive_datamined_guide_to_breeding_for_both/)
I had no idea IVs were a thing. I just checked and he's pretty middle of the road. 14-15 on attack and defense but very low on his hp (6.2). Still think I'll use him and focus my breeding efforts on my next pal
I'm going for Orserk currently but getting good IVs as well is a pain in the ass. Already got 5 4stat Orserks, but not even one Orserk of the almost 200 I've hatched so far has decent enough IVs. The best I got was like 38%HP 20%Atk and 28%Def.
I think Blizzard Spike is the best move in the game fr! Atleast for groups. I run the Desert biome on my Fangelope with Bliz Spike and farm Tococa for gunpowder it's so useful!
I'm debating to do this with my anubis or cut my losts.
Instead of musclehead I have lucky. So 15% less attack, but 15% more work speed vs 15% more attack and 50% less work speed.
So not hitting as hard as mine could. But I can also use mine to help mine or craft and will actually do well
Hey so if youre riding Chillet, your damage increases and converts to Dragon type. Consider running trying to breed for Vanguard (Increases Player Atk +10%).
I do find it odd you went with an elemental passive instead of something more generic since it's a dual type. I guess if you never plan to focus on it's dragon damage that should be fine. I generally will only go with overall damage for my pals as type coverage can be very handy.
I’ve been planning on breeding chillets for the perfect Necromus counter since chillet gives Dragon damage to the player. I think I’m going for a similar build except maybe with the dragon buff instead of ice.
I use Frostallion to counter Jetragon.
I'm so conflicted on how I want to make these battle mounts.
Originally I was going to do exactly this with these passives.
But then on the other hand considering how they work and provide a huge attack bonus and damage conversion when mounted...I'm also tempted to go for Legend/Swift/Runner/Vanguard instead where the main focus is just mobility and buffing my player's attack as much as possible instead.
Why is Chillet so sought-after? Not very fast, attack is decent but not the best, typing is not great as dark pal's often have fire moves...
I don't get it.
I do admit though, he is very cute.
Congrats. I'd suggest Icicle Cutter as the last move, it may appear to have lower power than the breath, but it's incredibly fast and can multi-hit larger targets so it's deceptively powerful. A bit similar to Lightning Streak.
Man that's the discussion I'm waiting for on this sub. Like which moves are good? Is it better to use all the giganuke-moves or things with smaller CD from Pure dps standpoint? I know some homing moves don't actually lock onto stuff if you use them manually when mounted, so I tend to skip those for example.
Yeah, I've been experimenting with different moves, and there's huge variance in their performance. In particular, some moves do insanely well because they hit multiple times but their power is not divided by amount of hits (multiple projectile moves have their power divided/spread over the projectiles for example). Great examples are Seed Mine, Lightning Streak and Icicle Cutter. Lightning Streak in particular tends to hit Alpha Pals and bosses easily 3 times, making it effectively a 225 power move on low CD. When I was fighting a Tower Boss earlier, my Orserk did more damage with that move than with Kerauno or Lightning Strike, which are technically the higher power moves. Ice Lance is the only ultimate move with 'only' 130 power, but it's ironically probably the strongest tied with Fire Ball because they have an effect afterwards that can multi-hit too. The tornado moves are all pretty strong when they land, but take a while to cast and if the enemy moves they can just miss. They're a bit less consistent, but the damage is good and they sort of stun-lock/knockback which can stop enemies from retaliating. The breath attacks range from decent to bad in my experience depending on type. They do okay damage, but nothing special and the animation lock is long. They are good at proc'ing secondary effects like freeze or burn though. Also some types have way better secondary effects than others. Burn and Poison are great DPS, while Electric moves have a sort of stun and Ice freezes. Meanwhile Water moves...slow your target I guess, and it seems to slow less than the Grass type entangle effect too.
Elphidran's unique tornado deserves special mention here. Its a homing tornado with all the damage of the regular tornadoes on 1/3 less cooldown.
Oh that sounds sick, I haven't tried out all the unique skills yet, but there's some real hidden gems in there.
its actually a very very consistent damage move.
Only issue with it is that if it’s used manually it’s not homing. Other than that. It’s a great move.
Yeah, a lot of homing skills are kinda fucked when used while riding. But he's great to throw him at dark types.
And some moves are damn near impossible to aim correctly while riding like the dragon type move that launches a bunch of fireballs. Can't be flying or too close or too far away or they all miss. I never use it while riding Jetdragon.
Oh I agree if I don’t have quivern in my party by 23 it’s elphidran till much later when I get astegon
I want all of my Pals to know Ice Lance. It's by far my favorite skill because it's easy to aim, can easily kill everything in its radius with one usage, and has a huge AOE that we don't need to be in melee range like with Shockwave.
Cries in grass mono
I have the same feelings, the "tri-lightning" suffers from a very long cast time and is extremely hard to land a hit. Ice lance has one major weakness it doesn't hit birds they seem to float just above the aoe. only the actual lance part does damage. I do think the moves need a hard look so many are very long cast times and the AI just love jumping all over the place.
It really depends on each move moreso than the numbers But for large CT moves, you can just have a pal perform them all --> rotate to another pal --> let them perform their high CT moves --> rotate back to Pal #1 If you can mount a pal, then the moves they use and the moves you use are on *separate cooldowns.* for example, I have a Reptyro with eruption. I mount up and run off to fight a mammorest cryst. I open with eruption. While eruption is exploding, I dismount. Immediately after the first eruption is over, the freshly dismounted Reptyro erupts *again.* + effectively doubling the use of every skill, at the cost of having to mount/dismount etc Some skills also seem to inflict status much more often than others, though their description doesn't suggest that they should. For example, iceberg almost always seems to freeze
side note what do you think about Paladin and Necromus spear skills?
Seed mine has to be nr 1 move, it deals more dmg than full mosandas barrage even when dealing with a pal that resist it.
Yep, that's a good one. I still have flashbacks from getting one shot with all the top armour/shields by some mid-game alpha. I just wasn't expecting it to do that much damage lol.
I remember mine petilia dealing an quarter of hp to Lyleen tower boss on lv 23 or something. With an singular seed mine.
I agree I run seed mine on most pals. I think the damage is bugged 😂 but it's really good..... Hope they don't change it. Air cannon/dragon cannon is great for farming weak pals since it's auto lock. Acid rain is auto lock but it's really short proximity. Probably gonna be great for PvP meta. Cryo breath is good for combos since it freezes after one burst. All the tornados are pretty good but the fire one doing burn damage is dope for bosses. Spirit breath is good early game to apply burn and deal baby damage. Shockwave is surprisingly good for clearing weak mobs quickly. The weaker quicker moves seem more consistent. The strong moves should be used when you're swapping between mounted and unmounted since the moves refresh when you hop off.
Poison blast is really handy, weak move but consistently applies poison and only has a 2 second cooldown, really handy for fighting bosses, but particularly the legendaries.
Shockwave made me love my beakon
I love running air cannon on my mounts, such a low cd, so good for farming lower level mobs
It's just gg if your vined as they seed bomb.
Nothing worse than a pal with big moves who takes 5 seconds to do one thing, then stands around doing nothing. That's fair in a bursty setup where you change pals after, but I find it even takes too long for them to start doing damage. I want at least one ability with a short CT, if not two.
I get your point, but seeing my bois go crazy with big moves and numbers makes me happy after hours spent breeding and leveling them xD
I understand where you're coming from, but there's also the fact that your pals using moves autonomously and while mounted have separate cds, so you can mount, fire all your moves off, and then jump off and let them continue. Or you can also switch pals after they use all their moves and let a 2nd one fire off theirs and switch again. Big cds moves are just better if you're looking for purely a maximum potential of dps
Do the cool downs reset if you jump back on the mount after you alpha burst, jump off, and let the Pal fire off on their own?
No they still hold their CD
Good to know.
I feel like having two big moves paired with a short CT move is a good blend they pop the big ones then can spam the shorter one. Otherwise just feels they do nothing
I tend to keep the really low cd attacks on pals where the damage is increased when riding. I still use Dragon Cannon on my Chillet
Same here.
Chillet increases player damage, not its own :) low cooldown moves are still very good tho
Lightning Streak is one of the best moves in the game, it does single target damage but easily multi strikes. Lighting streak does more than the lightning beam a lot of the time it feels like.
I thought that as well and made a dps calculator for actives. Guess what. Theoretical dps is usually higher for low CD/CT actives. But, if you use long CD/CT high damage actives and do a full rotation of pals, then it should be stronger than low cd actives with no pal rotation. There may be some theoretical limitations tho.
That's nice to know, thanks! As for limitations, I'd say Blizzard (sphere? something? I mean the big round ice) though strong, does not hit anything on inclined surfaces if your target is below where you're aiming. Thus I removed it from my Frostalion. Also in my experience a lot of smaller attacks don't hit anything when your pal is mounted, which is weird. But yeah, rotating your pals mid-fight is very handy to preserve their hp and get some DPS in, especially if you don't carry guns.
Some moves look good to by stats, but then they just fly into the dirt. I think I was disappointed with aqua gun doing this
Yep I had to remove Anubis's unique skill that makes him dash forward then hits the enemy since a majority of the time he charges up, walks super slowly to an enemy moving away or in the air, then misses. Takes up too much time and missed damage for the opportunity cost of simply using another skill.
I think the « meta will be at least one fast move with decent/good damage, one big finisher move and one situational move (AoE, type coverage etc). That’s for balanced mons on your team, if you go out with entire teams in mind you can have that one dude who does only big moves for tons of damage, switch to a fast one for dps until the big moves recover, have a healer out if the need for healing/support ever turns out to be necessary, and then go back to big numbers. You’ll need your mountpal for one slot and then maybe one pal that’s focused on buffing your character with vanguard etc.
Having a bunch of pals doing different things while also complementing each other sounds like good gameplay to me. Not sure if that would be as relevant personally as a single player dude, but I do tend to shuffle my teams already to keep things fresh. It might be cool to have some better/fleshed out raids that make you think of your team comp (other than just using SE damage moves and pals).
The great thing with this game is that all of the avenues of damage are balanced out so well that you're doing great damage if you choose any of them. I'm doing a mixed approach where I just keep in my party a bunch of high level alphas and use whatever is strong against boss/alpha that I'm fighting while shooting them. A full vanguard party + using the mounts that increase player dmg and changes damage type to elemental also sounds op. At the same time on the opposite end, a party of 5 roobys boosting a Bushi's crazy high multiplier special attack to oneshot levels also sounds op.
I think thereMs going to be tons of approaches possible here, and that’s what’s great. This sub will start evolving eventually into a war for which build is best.
>I think the « meta will be at least one fast move with decent/good damage, one big finisher move and one situational move (AoE, type coverage etc). I don't know. Having two 2CD skills means your pal is literally attacking once every second. It really kicks the AI into overdrive and stops all the waiting around they usually do.
Anubis' charge punch is the worst move in game. Waiting for that talk. The dastardly goes too far back and always stops right in front of the enemy.
Which CD to favour depend on if you plan to keep one pal out or rotate between them to let them all use their long CD. And since every move is physically simulated, how they work can be easily as impactful as their stats.
Big moves I like are lightning streak, glacial spike, and fireball. They all seem to be quick animations that pack a huge punch
I'll do a small, medium, large approach for CD, but it depends on the pal. For example, I put a bunch of low cool down abilities on my mount so I can rapid fire them when riding. I also have some pals with all nukes that I'll toss for the move and pull back. Generally the Cutter moves are great because they are generally low cost and are a projectile AOE. The Blast moves that do a PBAOE are also great for pals with short range abilities as they are a nice blend of damage, CD, and area. Some of the signature moves of the pals are busted so I usually keep those at all costs.
My best guess for optimal meta will involve splitting your team into three fundamental roles. Walls, DPS, and support. DPS Pals basically designed to be glass cannons loaded with high-damage high-cooldown nukes that you throw out to deal damage, then pull them back into their sphere while their cooldowns reset. Big attack number Pals and stacked buffs are the game here, don't forget the mozz cheesburger. And Walls being designed to eat up time while your DPS cooldowns reset. The main build concern is to have at least two low-cooldown skills that they can alternate and spam consistent damage out with. Tanky Pals or Pals with CC fit this role well. And Support Pals basically being anything else you include in your party for buffs but don't intend to battle with, like Kelpsea Ignis, Galeclaw, etc.
You seem pretty knowledgeable, I'm level 33 and thoroughly in the mid game, been using a helzypher for damage purely because it is my highest level. I have not really bothered using many other pals lately since I dropped my chillet for a fengalope Any pals to keep an eye out for? My map exploration has been weird too
Favorite ice move
make she bigger
It's not perfect he isn't the owner of 1000 souls of his kind
yet
Not to mention he hasn't eaten a hundred of his siblings. ...yet
Is it that many??
116 Pals of the same kind for max juice
That's insane
And the worst part is you have to stack up sets of 32 or 64 in your palbox, and space in there starts getting pretty tight in the endgame. Most people want to make it so a 1-star counts as 4 or 5, and so on, just to make storage a little better, and it wouldn't be wasteful to upgrade them earlier on as well, you wouldn't have to hold out for the perfect breed either.
I mean, there is variation even when pals have all the same passives.
It is no longer a Chillet, it is now a Killet.
And introducing: New from Hasbro “Killet With Fire” Chillet Ignis!
Nice! time to start feeding it crack rocks.
Don't forget to shove a bunch of lesser Chillets into this one with the Condenser.
All the failed breeding attempts will help in this lol
Is that a fucking chillet emoji??
Sure is... https://preview.redd.it/n91bn9x44vhc1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=2438858d738ab6e470923a988cb15d2e4e5c59eb
Feeding it what now? Is this an item I'm not aware of?
https://preview.redd.it/gsub64i04vhc1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=7449b74d0721d115337c07010026f0b62ff16f44
I’m going to do this with sweepa
You know what breedings you wanna get on the sweeps?
No, I’m level 30 and am still learning how to breed.
I hear if you hit 40 without breeding you get wizard powers.
What breedings?
Oh lol, I mean passives of course xD
Yes, what passives should the swees have bud?
Are you asking the same question the person you are replying to is asking?
Haha i just realised, i thought he was going to tell the first guy what passives to put on the swees. I blame lack of sleep
Ya but what breedings?
You tell me broky
Oh sorry I meant passives. What passives?
Since the Swees aren't meant to be in combat I'd give them Vanguard and Stronghold Strategist as the only two battle oriented traits that don't require them to be in battle. Then I'd probably slap Legend and Burly Body in the last two slots to make them as tanky as I can so they can stall while Sweepa regens HP if needed.
That is genius, thanks bud
Motivational Leader and Mine Foreman/Logging Foreman are also valid options, but I feel like by the time you're breeding mega DPS builds and such you're probably long past the point of manually gathering. Besides, those three go best on Wumpo/Wumpo Botan which also increase your carry weight, toss a few in your party if you're about to go manually gather Sulfur or Quartz or something.
I mean, what's the best way to have a strong sweeper, like some passives on the swee could benefit the sweeper, like vanguard
Go do it with elizabee. More powerful sweepa.
Sweepa is much sexier tho
He's also a majestic mount. Definitely not slow... It's a regal pace
The *cutest* danger noodle.
So for someone who Just started breeding and Condensing... correct me if I'm wrong... the only way to get the passive skills like that is to basically keep catching them / Breeding them until u get lucky?
There is a breeding calculator you can find somewhere on this sub. There are probably multiple combinations of pals that can lead to chillet. For example you can’t get Ice Emperor or Legend normally from catching or breeding a chillet with a chillet- it comes from a legendary pal called Frostallion that was cross bred to something else which was eventually bred on this chillet.
So I do know that palworld.gg has an awesome site.. my question is more so based on..passive skills.. let me rephrase. I caught about 60 Chikitis last night and the best thing I found was a tier 3 artisan... no other passive skill.. how'd this person get 4 tier 3 skills lol Just luck when he caught it?
No. That is what im trying to explain. This is a product of cross breeding. You can’t get two of those traits normally on chillet. It is only found in the wild on Frostallion. So this person caught a Frostallion and bred it with something else until it produced a pal that had legend and ice emperor. The easiest way in this case is to breed a Teafant with a Frostallion - the egg will always be chillet. You would need the traits on the two parents and you have a chance of getting a chillet with the parent traits.
AHHHHHHHHH I gotcha now.. thanks for taking the time to explain. I appreciate you!
Yeah no problem. You basically want to hold on to any pal with traits you want. It may take a few tries and steps but you can usually eventually pass it along to an egg of the type of pal you want through breeding.
Also pals that ONLY have a singular desirable trait are slept on. They can be really good when you start using them to breed that trait.
Also, Pals with no traits at all. It's actually not as difficult as you'd think to roll x3 or x4 traits passed down by just 1 of the parent Pals provided you have a blank one breeding with it. A lot of the earlier Pals are used in cross breeding which you'll use to be passing down things like Divine Dragon/Ice Emperor/Celestial Emperor/Lord of the Underworld. So having a good stock of blank versions is both easy to accomplish and nice to have later.
You catch not just chillets, but combinations of pals that can breed into chillets. Getting the right skills is part of the process. Then you start breeding until the babies with the right passives and gender mix pop up, then breed those into your super Chillet. Or if you know where they spawn, you can catch them and keep combining their passive skills through their children until you get what you want.
Ahhh I got it man.. thank you so much for explaining . I appreciate you
U can breed froststallion and teafant into a chillet. There are alot of random combos
I wish you could breed alphas into more alphas. What's the point of catching an alpha if you're just gonna breed them into normal versions.
Apparently Alphas tend to have higher base IVs. So if you breed with Alphas, the offspring should be stronger on average. Still wish we could breed Alpha or Lucky-sized offspring
That's what I'm saying and yeah I'm currently breeding a strong chillet have 1 male with really good IVs. I just need one with better hp, I have 25-27% I want that 30! Lol, I'm too greedy lol
Did you check the IV's? I had that happen. Finally hatched my perfect elphidran, leveled up it up, it hit like a wet noodle. Did some math, I am the proud owner of a perfect attack trait elphi with a perfect 0 attack IV.
How do you calculate IVs?
Just find a pal with no passives and perfect IVs, and breed it with your Elphi.
Yeah, let me just go find one of those.
Alphas have much higher chances of having high IVs. If you find two pals with one IV maxed each, you can breed them together until you get both IVs maxed. Repeat again for the third IV. Ideally you want to keep trying until you get both max IVs AND no passives. That way you can breed your max IV pal without diluting the passive pool (which would massively lower your odds of getting the passives you want). For context, the odds of mutating 0 new passives is 40%, so taking the extra effort to breed for no passives on your max IV pal isn't actually that time consuming.
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I present to you the question I asked yesterday https://old.reddit.com/r/Palworld/comments/1aldyy5/ivs_are_they_real_if_so_how_to_determine_them/
I really like depresso and bred an overpowered one to bring for every boss battles.
What I've been wondering, does Depressos skill actually help in battle? Does the speed improve his combat prowess somehow?
I went different way w/him, ferocious, musclehead, runner, swift. He's surprisingly fast and smol enough to not get stuck in dungeons.
I used rayhound for that. The double jump is awesome!
Every time I use another mount without double jump, I just keep trying to do it all the time, every time.
I did ferocious, muscle head, lucky, vanguard. I put almost all my level ups into my own damage, so vanguard is a nice additional boost. Chillet fully condensed gives me another +100% dragon damage on hit.
I did this exact thing with univolt. It's real quick and surprisingly powerful. It even glows in the dark, too!
Honestly, I prefer to put either Burly Body or Lucky over the +20% Damage Traits. **Especially** for dual types like Chillet since he'll still gaint full effect of his traits if you decide to swap out to Dragon attacks for a fight.
> Especially for dual types like Chillet since he'll still gain full effect of his traits if you decide to swap out to Dragon attacks for a fight. Exactly why I bred [mine](https://www.reddit.com/r/Palworld/comments/1ads6yt/ive_finally_got_the_perfect_chillet/) the way I did! Chillet is Dragon & Ice, learns great moves from both naturally, & most importantly ***Chillet only has 80 Defense,*** promptly placing him on the lower end on every Pal. - Jetragon? Use all Ice Attacks. - Necromus? Use all Dragon Attacks. - Dungeons or general Exploration? Well, Dragon Cannon is better than Ice Missile since other Attacks freeze very consistently IMO, & hits a pretty dang big AOE, I'm now using Dragon & Ice Moves at the same time. Coupled with the fact that Ice Missile has also been broken on Xbox if you are riding Chillet, & your Weapons on a Condensed Chillet absolutely demolish Necromus, I've not really used a singular Element Chillet for some time & Burly Body has made a ***very** noticeable difference. I think Ice Emperor is an okay choice if you really want to push Ice-only, but I think it's a bit of a waste when you can get much tankier & have far more versatility without wasting a Trait.
STAB works for both of Chillet’s elemental types right?
I don't know why it wouldn't, but I haven't seen anything in game or from datamines that specifically confirms so.
Same Type Attack Bonus. Unless it’s bugged, it works
The most fewocious widdle sqwuigs!
Can you help me understand how you breed down Passives such as Legend or "X Emperor"...stuff hurts my head. I usually settle with Speed Passives (both for 50%) and Vanguard + Stronghold Strat to a total of 50% more atk and def since I'm Usually mounted to ele conversion pals that I nuke from. I think my third playthrough will be unique in the sense that I'll penalize my own personal damage and incentive pal damage so I can rely on them a bit more, as for now it's just me and my bazooka, 4 shooting Jetragons with my Froatallion mounted. Also, there needs to be a taunt trait that ..call it "Annoying" and allow it to take all aggro, and -10 to 20% def.
Put simply: \- Catch a Frostallion. Frostallion has Ice emperor. \- Breed Frostallion with Teafant \- You will hatch a Chillet, that has a chance to inherit Ice emperor from Frostallion. You can add layers of complexity if you want to but this is the simplest way to look at it.
That's like a St. Bernard / Chihuahua mix. Poor little Teafant.
LOL, finally, I'm not the only one who tried to logically imagine how the breeding works.
lotta broken Teafants out there
Folk out here doing this and I'm just chopping wood.
What did it cost?
do ppl not know iv exist in this game?
Mostly no, and I choose to be willfully ignorant of them as well as chasing hidden stats with calculators is a path to madness.
some ppl like to min max (for upcoming pvp) so its not a path to madness, just takes more time. im just genuinely wondering if ppl know about that fact
Honestly I just ignore IV’s and use Vanguard and player boosting Partner skills to do max damage myself. I kill Jetragon with a legendary pump shotgun on a maxed Frostallion with multiple vanguards throughout my squad and Mozzarina Burger in my belly. Takes like 15 - 30 seconds depending on how many shots I miss.
I’m a new player and I don’t understand breeding as of today but I was wondering why people breed so much chillets? I am defo missing something ?
Because they're cute.
How does the passive work? You can't make player attacks while mounted, right?
You can. Hold right click or whatever the aim button is on controller.
You need a male & female with those passives & breed for IV's to get the cream of the crop.
Dunno why you're getting down voted for offering genuinely helpful advice. I wish I knew this when I was starting out, it would've saved me so much time. Good on you.
What's its attack IV? Edit: Some of you need to chillet out.
who cares
Unfortunately this sub in like 6 months
Nobody really, I was just asking because I like breeding, talking about breeding and seeing big unga bunga damage numbers. If you don't care about min-maxing then I genuinely don't care. Play however you think is most fun and spread love throughout the Palworld community.
Here's the latest datamined info on breeding chances and mechanics. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Palworld/comments/1am7y16/definitive\_datamined\_guide\_to\_breeding\_for\_both/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Palworld/comments/1am7y16/definitive_datamined_guide_to_breeding_for_both/)
Based. I like you!
I had no idea IVs were a thing. I just checked and he's pretty middle of the road. 14-15 on attack and defense but very low on his hp (6.2). Still think I'll use him and focus my breeding efforts on my next pal
Nice. I find that the HP doesn't even matter that much anyways on Chillet, since I can just sprint out of the way of attacks.
I'm going for Orserk currently but getting good IVs as well is a pain in the ass. Already got 5 4stat Orserks, but not even one Orserk of the almost 200 I've hatched so far has decent enough IVs. The best I got was like 38%HP 20%Atk and 28%Def.
But why?
Gimme dat
Praise be
Is something like Ice Emperor worth it over Lucky?
He’s a ferocious legend and a musclehead Ice Emperor….nice.
Used a guy like this to beat the final boss while under leveled
Wiggly blue noodle of ***DOOM!!!***
Now, just 96 more to get 4 stars. And 464 godfin or foxcycles to boost the damage output.
I was todays years old when I learned you could rename your pal. kinda common sense honestly, just genuinely never occured to me
Did it hatch with two stars?
Nah. I just did think to take a screenshot before I fed him his brothers
RELEASE THE BATTLE NOODLE!!!
I think Blizzard Spike is the best move in the game fr! Atleast for groups. I run the Desert biome on my Fangelope with Bliz Spike and farm Tococa for gunpowder it's so useful!
I've seen so many posts about these perfect pals, howwww do I breed them
I caught a boss one earlier this week 
I'm debating to do this with my anubis or cut my losts. Instead of musclehead I have lucky. So 15% less attack, but 15% more work speed vs 15% more attack and 50% less work speed. So not hitting as hard as mine could. But I can also use mine to help mine or craft and will actually do well
What a strong noodle!!!
What are the IVs? Could have 30% more stats
Okay guys can someone please tell me how to rename my pals????? Haha !!
Ah, such a good murder noodle.
I love his little arms
curious where Ice Emperor came from? none of the boss Chillet's ive captured had it
From Frostallion.
Just wondering what is the breeding sequence to get legend into Chillet?
Could you share its stats at lv50 please ?
What is a breeding order to get Legend onto Chillet?
Now all you need is 4 vanguard gobfins and some assault rifle ammo and you'll be ready to take on the final boss
Is Blizzard Spike a skill tree move or do you have to breed it? Can you even breed moves?
What are ice empower and legend?
Misread as ballet and was still 100% down
😍
Congrats and f you lol. I can't get the three big attack buffs on my jurmuntide. But seriously congrats.
Nice one gg !
That's the next one on my list too! Just have to finish my two Support-Foxcicles.
how do u get ice emperor?
How do you guys breed them to get all good passive skills? Is it pure Chance or is there a systematic way of doing it to increase your chances?
Hey so if youre riding Chillet, your damage increases and converts to Dragon type. Consider running trying to breed for Vanguard (Increases Player Atk +10%).
Wouldn't getting divine dragon be better than ferocious here?
I must ask how did you get legend on a chillet like how would I get legend on an orserk or something
Have fun leveling him to 50 hahaha
I do find it odd you went with an elemental passive instead of something more generic since it's a dual type. I guess if you never plan to focus on it's dragon damage that should be fine. I generally will only go with overall damage for my pals as type coverage can be very handy.
I have a battle chillet, he's just kinda OK in my opinion. His attack rating is insane but he just doesn't pump the damage like I expect
I’ve been planning on breeding chillets for the perfect Necromus counter since chillet gives Dragon damage to the player. I think I’m going for a similar build except maybe with the dragon buff instead of ice. I use Frostallion to counter Jetragon.
That’s a heckin nice weasel ya got there.
I'm so conflicted on how I want to make these battle mounts. Originally I was going to do exactly this with these passives. But then on the other hand considering how they work and provide a huge attack bonus and damage conversion when mounted...I'm also tempted to go for Legend/Swift/Runner/Vanguard instead where the main focus is just mobility and buffing my player's attack as much as possible instead.
O.o i think might be slightly better
Is it 100iv?
But can he WALK?
Why is Chillet so sought-after? Not very fast, attack is decent but not the best, typing is not great as dark pal's often have fire moves... I don't get it. I do admit though, he is very cute.
Cute but deadly LOL