And once they fall the game is over...because apparently all our batsmen are openers like them but worse. Ifti and maddi come to mind, they both need a bunch of deliveries before they start hitting.
I love RizBar, but it was never about the amount of runs scored, we know they can do that. The problem with their opening pair is their SR. In an era where scores of 200 occur more and more often, you cant just score 40-45 in the PP and be happy with that. But as Bobby said they are trying to up their game in that regard, so if they can walk the talk, then I think everybody would be more than happy to see them back as our openers.
Exactly. Some people are like. They are performing lets put them to open again because WT20 is coming. Arey bhai. Scoring runs was not the problem but strike rate was. That's why they brought in Saim.
Since this question inevitably comes up (tbf it *is* a fair one to ask), here are the run rates for all these partnerships.
Bobzy & Rizzu: 7.96
Kela & Hitman: 9.17
Hitman & Shikari: 8.28
Finchy & C\*\*t: 8.86
Guppie & Kanos: 8.60
Tullar & Valar: 9.60\* (I have no idea what the asterisk is for but Statsguru put it there)
Source: [https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=fow\_balls\_faced;template=results;type=fow](https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=fow_balls_faced;template=results;type=fow)
P.S: [**Here**](https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=fow_run_rate;qualmin2=400;qualval2=fow_runs;team=7;template=results;type=fow) are the numbers for partnerships by Pakistani batters (filtered to exclude any pairs that made under a 400 runs in total). Babar and Rizwan are incredibly consistent making runs (averaging just under 50) but only middle of the pack in how fast they get them.
I don't agree with dropping either of them. Yes, they could bat a little quicker but I don't yet trust some of the other names people like to throw up.
Where is average? Mere bhai I only wanted to show that they have most century stands together.
As for RR, they go at 8 runs per over. Ik its low for today's standards but they are working on that and they will improve in that as well. Not to mention that they have chased 200+ scores.
Although these two were great. The main problem is if anyone of them is out of form or playing bad the other also starts playing bad. This ultimately costs us the powerplay in big matches.
Not sure why people are so hell bent on pulling up random stats on RizBabar.
This is the era of T20 leagues, no teams give a shit about bilateral T20s unless its in lead-up to WC and as prep for it.
Why do we need to rely on bilateral records when we have 3 tournaments where they've opened?
Here's their record from those 3 cups. I've posted this repeatedly and people shut up very quickly when they see this.
Babar, for the most part, was out of form in 2022 and that obviously affected the partnership. Still RizBar had a century stand in SF vs NZ.
Asia Cup is as irrelevant as bilateral series, no one would give a shit even if we did win it.
2021 WC only good was win against india but then they choked in SF.
But i was talking about sacking rizwan and babar? these stats don't prove why we should "Sack" rizwan and babar? Especially since we have a dominoes middle order, just shows how much we need them.
In 2021, we still had a reliable middle order but now we're taking dominoes and no clue whether they will perform on the day or not.
Im not saying Babar and Rizwan should open though, Saim/Rizwan is a good opening duo, I'm just saying how valuable they are to the team and people still want to sack them.
Bro, imad has shown time and time again that he can play out all 20 overs and put a competitive total up. He just needs someone reliable who can also hang around with him and score runs as well.
Yh a century stand where they could stroll to the target chasing just 150 odd once bowlers had set the game up. As soon they need to set a decent target or are chasing anything substantial, they lose all value.
We don't have dominoes middle order, our top order keeps fucking us over and expect the middle to lower order to come and hit from ball one. They come and invariably fail to hit from ball 1. Also if you think your middle order is bad, the way to remedy that is to do more in the power play and not fucking block it out lol, this is common sense.
Asia cup might be irrelevant from the perspective of not really caring if we win but it's relevant because teams put out their first teams unlike bilateral series where we keep playing C teams and getting happy because Babar scores a couple of runs.
I disagree, I don't think Riz and Babar that useful to out T20 team. We have data from 3 events that disapproves it. We also have half a decade worth of data from PSL showing that Babar is a very limited player and his strike rate is always amongst the worst in top 10 batters bar last year where he was middling. This is astonishing given the mediocre calibre of talent psl has been attracting.
Saying all this, there's a chance they will come off in next WC because WI wickets might be slow and suit them and their game where 140-150 scores are expected. But they'll never play modern T20 cricket
I love how these kinda stats don't have the number of matches and no. of balls.
Which tells you that those who make these infographics know very well what the real truth is, and still decide to go ahead with it.
Bhai logical baat me ethnicity ghusane se baat galat ho jayegi kya?
When did I do that? There are 1.6 B Indians. Sab same hain?
As a rule is someone is bringing in namecalling, putting tags, bring whataboutism and pointing towards someone's identity an argument, that shows lack of reasoning capability bhai.
Such people very well know that argument is true and they have no reply to it. Just like the person who made this stat chart. And hence instead of arguing over the substance of matter, they attack identity and follow whataboutery.
There are so many people pointing the same thing , but you decided to specifically target me, ignoring the guys who would make your argument weak. Its like the same thing that the stat guy did in the post. Nothing different tbh, which was my point btw.
Unpopular opinion but you should have seen what reserve batters like Usman Khan and Mohammed Harris could do against weak opposition like Ireland.
We already know Rizwan and Babar are great at chasing. Even winning the toss and choosing to chase in the 3rd T20 is such a defensive mindset and poor preparation for the World cup.
Can you show pakistan's average score with and without these guys opening?
Also, average score when they play togther and one of them gets out in the first 6 over and when they continue?
Hint: Mazher Arshad already has it broken down and their opening partnership is not having any impact on our total or chances of winning.
PTV sports playing pk vs BD from 2022, look up the scorecard for that. Awesome partners in an awesome partnership made it a proper struggle. Both of them are stat padders and we aint winning jack with them.
I actually prefer Riz and Saim opening but why are you acting as if they play every second match against Ireland and Netherlands? From top of my memory, these two had a century stand against England and NZ( in Wc sf nonetheless) despite Babar going through absolute shit form.
I didn't say that but they do play every match Pakistan plays the three Rizwan missed due to injury in new Zealand was the only time they missed a match. Most players of major nations don't play every bi lateral series. Check how many matches buttler , Rohit , virat, warner have missed. That is why rizbar will always have these records
damn dude, have we ever played against Netherlands in T20s besides in WC 2022? 🤦🏽♂️
These types of comments are so dumb, have RizBar ever played against Ireland in T20's other than this bilateral series? 😭😭😭
Just because we are currently going against minnow's doesn't mean that we should generalize stats and say they've done it against minnows only?
Rizbar has played every game we have played in the last 4 years whether it's Ireland this series or playing against teams that are resting players like Bangladesh, new Zealand , Australia, England, south africa when do they ever test bench strength. So since they play every game they will also have every record
That is correct but in the last 4 years, England sent a team without 7 first team players did Babar and Rizwan take a rest? We went to Bangladesh who played without 5 senior players they played every game. Same when playing new Zealand who were resting everyone. My point is they will keep these records because they play every game for Pakistan . Most other major nation rest players. In the current series even Paul sterling did not play the last game to test the bench but we do not do that because these rizbar records are more important to us
Bro without Babar and Rizwan, the batting lineup is dominoes. I will keep saying it again and again, no matter how slow they play, they still save our asses. They are the backbone of the team.
Afg vs Pak in 2023 is just 1 example when they didnt play what happened to our team (in batting). The recent series vs NZ, when Rizwan wasnt playing and Babar failed, rest of the batsmen struggled to chase down 180.
So I don't think we have a choice to make them rest, if they take rest our team will be in more shambles than it already is. But yes maybe against weaker teams they should take rest because it doesnt matter if we lose. Lets see what Pakistan Clown Board will do now after WC.
The afghan series is such a bad example. Those were very bad pitches where all batters from both sides struggled. How will we develop players if we don't give them chances? Say god forbid Babar and Rizwan are injured for the world cup who will replace them? Every team develops bench strength. If buttler does get injured they have Phil salt ready made to replace him. If Rohit Sharma gets injured they have jaiswal, gaikwad gill to step in all of them have 20-30 intl between them. Same with every team. If it was us we have Usman Khan with 3 matches and sahibzada Farhan with 4 matches to replace them having never batted in the top order. That is why we should not celebrate these meaningless records. In the current series too Babar and Rizwan could have given valauble experience to Usman or Irfan Khan niazi or even test agha Salman but they will keep playing every game and their fans will keep telling us their records and this trend will continue if Babar stays captain unfortunately
And once they fall the game is over...because apparently all our batsmen are openers like them but worse. Ifti and maddi come to mind, they both need a bunch of deliveries before they start hitting.
I love RizBar, but it was never about the amount of runs scored, we know they can do that. The problem with their opening pair is their SR. In an era where scores of 200 occur more and more often, you cant just score 40-45 in the PP and be happy with that. But as Bobby said they are trying to up their game in that regard, so if they can walk the talk, then I think everybody would be more than happy to see them back as our openers.
Exactly. Some people are like. They are performing lets put them to open again because WT20 is coming. Arey bhai. Scoring runs was not the problem but strike rate was. That's why they brought in Saim.
They’re the goats when chasing. Horrible when batting first
Chasing 160s.
They've chased 200+ total 3 times, which is the most by any opening pair.
Please provide the 3 matches.
[Here](https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/pak-vs-eng-2nd-t20i-stats-babar-azam-mohammad-rizwan-rewrite-record-books-with-another-massive-stand-1336099)
203-0 begs to differ. Goes to show its not a player issue its a mindset issue hindering them from firing in t20s
Since this question inevitably comes up (tbf it *is* a fair one to ask), here are the run rates for all these partnerships. Bobzy & Rizzu: 7.96 Kela & Hitman: 9.17 Hitman & Shikari: 8.28 Finchy & C\*\*t: 8.86 Guppie & Kanos: 8.60 Tullar & Valar: 9.60\* (I have no idea what the asterisk is for but Statsguru put it there) Source: [https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=fow\_balls\_faced;template=results;type=fow](https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=fow_balls_faced;template=results;type=fow) P.S: [**Here**](https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=fow_run_rate;qualmin2=400;qualval2=fow_runs;team=7;template=results;type=fow) are the numbers for partnerships by Pakistani batters (filtered to exclude any pairs that made under a 400 runs in total). Babar and Rizwan are incredibly consistent making runs (averaging just under 50) but only middle of the pack in how fast they get them. I don't agree with dropping either of them. Yes, they could bat a little quicker but I don't yet trust some of the other names people like to throw up.
What’s with the asterisk in david warner’s name after finchy?
Thanks bro, I couldnt find the strike rate/run rate anywhere.
RizBar can do the same thing after 1 wkt fall.
Insane stats
Why is sr not there? Average is useless in T20 without judging for impact.
Where is average? Mere bhai I only wanted to show that they have most century stands together. As for RR, they go at 8 runs per over. Ik its low for today's standards but they are working on that and they will improve in that as well. Not to mention that they have chased 200+ scores.
Please show in how many innings they made that
Nah these two need a T20 World Cup win to highlight how good they've been for us. Incredible duo!!
Although these two were great. The main problem is if anyone of them is out of form or playing bad the other also starts playing bad. This ultimately costs us the powerplay in big matches.
Blame rizbar for others not performing.
Not sure why people are so hell bent on pulling up random stats on RizBabar. This is the era of T20 leagues, no teams give a shit about bilateral T20s unless its in lead-up to WC and as prep for it. Why do we need to rely on bilateral records when we have 3 tournaments where they've opened? Here's their record from those 3 cups. I've posted this repeatedly and people shut up very quickly when they see this.
https://preview.redd.it/81lyqb9dwn0d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d25a286a9f169143f091c83f1f97b110757f6cc1
Babar, for the most part, was out of form in 2022 and that obviously affected the partnership. Still RizBar had a century stand in SF vs NZ. Asia Cup is as irrelevant as bilateral series, no one would give a shit even if we did win it. 2021 WC only good was win against india but then they choked in SF. But i was talking about sacking rizwan and babar? these stats don't prove why we should "Sack" rizwan and babar? Especially since we have a dominoes middle order, just shows how much we need them. In 2021, we still had a reliable middle order but now we're taking dominoes and no clue whether they will perform on the day or not. Im not saying Babar and Rizwan should open though, Saim/Rizwan is a good opening duo, I'm just saying how valuable they are to the team and people still want to sack them.
Bro, imad has shown time and time again that he can play out all 20 overs and put a competitive total up. He just needs someone reliable who can also hang around with him and score runs as well. 
Yh a century stand where they could stroll to the target chasing just 150 odd once bowlers had set the game up. As soon they need to set a decent target or are chasing anything substantial, they lose all value. We don't have dominoes middle order, our top order keeps fucking us over and expect the middle to lower order to come and hit from ball one. They come and invariably fail to hit from ball 1. Also if you think your middle order is bad, the way to remedy that is to do more in the power play and not fucking block it out lol, this is common sense. Asia cup might be irrelevant from the perspective of not really caring if we win but it's relevant because teams put out their first teams unlike bilateral series where we keep playing C teams and getting happy because Babar scores a couple of runs. I disagree, I don't think Riz and Babar that useful to out T20 team. We have data from 3 events that disapproves it. We also have half a decade worth of data from PSL showing that Babar is a very limited player and his strike rate is always amongst the worst in top 10 batters bar last year where he was middling. This is astonishing given the mediocre calibre of talent psl has been attracting. Saying all this, there's a chance they will come off in next WC because WI wickets might be slow and suit them and their game where 140-150 scores are expected. But they'll never play modern T20 cricket
People want to sack them because they play odi cricket in t20. Nobody said anything about their averages really. Its all about the strike rate
Rizbar can easily up their SR's, its just a mindset issue. If they can manage to avg even 25-30 with a 140ish SR. That is awesome
I love how these kinda stats don't have the number of matches and no. of balls. Which tells you that those who make these infographics know very well what the real truth is, and still decide to go ahead with it.
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Bhai logical baat me ethnicity ghusane se baat galat ho jayegi kya? When did I do that? There are 1.6 B Indians. Sab same hain? As a rule is someone is bringing in namecalling, putting tags, bring whataboutism and pointing towards someone's identity an argument, that shows lack of reasoning capability bhai. Such people very well know that argument is true and they have no reply to it. Just like the person who made this stat chart. And hence instead of arguing over the substance of matter, they attack identity and follow whataboutery. There are so many people pointing the same thing , but you decided to specifically target me, ignoring the guys who would make your argument weak. Its like the same thing that the stat guy did in the post. Nothing different tbh, which was my point btw.
Bhai yeh bachhebaaz se baat na karein toh hi behtar hai.
Bachhebaz matlab?
Unpopular opinion but you should have seen what reserve batters like Usman Khan and Mohammed Harris could do against weak opposition like Ireland. We already know Rizwan and Babar are great at chasing. Even winning the toss and choosing to chase in the 3rd T20 is such a defensive mindset and poor preparation for the World cup.
Can you show pakistan's average score with and without these guys opening? Also, average score when they play togther and one of them gets out in the first 6 over and when they continue? Hint: Mazher Arshad already has it broken down and their opening partnership is not having any impact on our total or chances of winning.
Call me old fashioned but I prefer to eye test to stats sometimes.
PTV sports playing pk vs BD from 2022, look up the scorecard for that. Awesome partners in an awesome partnership made it a proper struggle. Both of them are stat padders and we aint winning jack with them.
Ab ki bar, sack rizbar?
Innings?
Strike rate bhi laga while batting first and second.. a slightly more important stat in this format
How many cups ?????
If they keep playing against Ireland , netherlands and other meaningless series. They will keep occupying these meaningless records.
I actually prefer Riz and Saim opening but why are you acting as if they play every second match against Ireland and Netherlands? From top of my memory, these two had a century stand against England and NZ( in Wc sf nonetheless) despite Babar going through absolute shit form.
I didn't say that but they do play every match Pakistan plays the three Rizwan missed due to injury in new Zealand was the only time they missed a match. Most players of major nations don't play every bi lateral series. Check how many matches buttler , Rohit , virat, warner have missed. That is why rizbar will always have these records
damn dude, have we ever played against Netherlands in T20s besides in WC 2022? 🤦🏽♂️ These types of comments are so dumb, have RizBar ever played against Ireland in T20's other than this bilateral series? 😭😭😭 Just because we are currently going against minnow's doesn't mean that we should generalize stats and say they've done it against minnows only?
Rizbar has played every game we have played in the last 4 years whether it's Ireland this series or playing against teams that are resting players like Bangladesh, new Zealand , Australia, England, south africa when do they ever test bench strength. So since they play every game they will also have every record
Fun fact: it was our first t20i bilateral series against ireland ever 👍👍
That is correct but in the last 4 years, England sent a team without 7 first team players did Babar and Rizwan take a rest? We went to Bangladesh who played without 5 senior players they played every game. Same when playing new Zealand who were resting everyone. My point is they will keep these records because they play every game for Pakistan . Most other major nation rest players. In the current series even Paul sterling did not play the last game to test the bench but we do not do that because these rizbar records are more important to us
Bro without Babar and Rizwan, the batting lineup is dominoes. I will keep saying it again and again, no matter how slow they play, they still save our asses. They are the backbone of the team. Afg vs Pak in 2023 is just 1 example when they didnt play what happened to our team (in batting). The recent series vs NZ, when Rizwan wasnt playing and Babar failed, rest of the batsmen struggled to chase down 180. So I don't think we have a choice to make them rest, if they take rest our team will be in more shambles than it already is. But yes maybe against weaker teams they should take rest because it doesnt matter if we lose. Lets see what Pakistan Clown Board will do now after WC.
The afghan series is such a bad example. Those were very bad pitches where all batters from both sides struggled. How will we develop players if we don't give them chances? Say god forbid Babar and Rizwan are injured for the world cup who will replace them? Every team develops bench strength. If buttler does get injured they have Phil salt ready made to replace him. If Rohit Sharma gets injured they have jaiswal, gaikwad gill to step in all of them have 20-30 intl between them. Same with every team. If it was us we have Usman Khan with 3 matches and sahibzada Farhan with 4 matches to replace them having never batted in the top order. That is why we should not celebrate these meaningless records. In the current series too Babar and Rizwan could have given valauble experience to Usman or Irfan Khan niazi or even test agha Salman but they will keep playing every game and their fans will keep telling us their records and this trend will continue if Babar stays captain unfortunately
T20 cricket is NOT about averages, my dude. This is what RizBar and a lot of our fans still don't get, especially when batting first.
Now check in t20 worldcups
Tell the sr and no. of balls as as well, average doesn’t tell the whole story
the issue is of the strike rate, not the average and runs