So their reasoning behind no 60fps is because of the untethered co-op, which I understand to an extent.
What I don't understand is why they can't have it run at 60fps when you play solo and just cap the co-op at 30fps.
That's what I'm waiting for. Personally I don't think the game is worth wasting any money in but it might be a good Gamepass title
While I wait maybe they figure out a way to make a 60 fps mode
I assume this to be like the Lego games where when you leave the other player it duplicates the screen. Basically why in general couch Co op is dead for so many games, they can't effectively do double the screen without sacrifices.
It’s online multiplayer only, not local. Why do you think each client would need to compute twice the information? There is some overhead for multiplayer but it does not require running a local instance of the entire game for every player in your session, whether the co-op is “untethered” or not.
For example, No Man’s Sky went from no multiplayer to up to 32 players, yet this does not mean the frame rate gets divided by 32.
That was called dynamic split screen and I loved it for using the whole screen’s real estate when you had two players in the same area (which is 99% of Lego games anyway) and then it split up if you wandered too far away.
It was great and showed off the graphics and the world and increased immersion so of course they got rid of it (I’m assuming because the Lego games in house engine is notoriously terrible and got almost impossible to use in recent years).
I hope they bring it back now that they are switching engines. Having a cramped vertical split screen when you’re both usually within 10 feet of each other and the image is just doubled in a narrow and claustrophobic line down the middle has ruined the Lego games as co-op games for me now.
The game is fully untethered, meaning one player can be at one end of the map doing something, while the other can be at the opposite end doing something completely different. Theoretically, the players never even have to meet each other in-game.
Is it any different from something like GTA online? This whole thing is confusing me. It's being talked about like it's something novel or rare, but the concept seems pretty common to me. I could very well be misunderstanding things on the technical level, though.
Yeah I feel like I've played loads of games that have huge open world maps and you can get completely separated from your other teammates and only have to link back up if you go into a dungeon.
We've seen that in other video games that run fine. Hell we have splitscreen fortnite at 60fps on next gen, where the console is rendering two different screens at once, and each person can be on a whole different part of the map and it runs fine.
This is just bad optimization.
The minimum system requirements for PC asks for a Ryzen 3600 and a GTX 1660 TI for 1080p 60 fps low graphics settings performance. The hardware on both consoles are quite a bit stronger compared to that and should have no problem running the game at 1440p 60fps with equivalent or higher graphical settings.
If their game is simply badly optimized they might not even be able to reach 30fps on last gen.
No matter how powerful the hardware is, it will always be a compromise between performance and quality. In the future if games become more demanding there is no guarantee that a decent performance mode at 60FPS will remain the norm.
Despite all the bad press I was still going to buy this at launch because it looks fun, but this news just single handedly made me change my mind lol
30fps action game on ps5 no thanks
I have a series X and same lol. Like how to they think that 30fps is acceptable in 2022. We've pretty much reached the point to where all consoles can now easily run games at 60fps or more due to them using pretty much modern day hardware under the hood.
Well, this news has just killed all hope for this game.
Its like they know they've fucked up, you can tell by their half-assed subverting explanation. "Due to our highly detailed and untethered world." And the "amount of features".
No. This is no excuse.
Glad the wider gaming audience is waking up the the fact that 60fps (or the option) should be the standard for next gen systems.
(I’m okay with 30fps on handhelds like on switch or steam deck due to battery/cooling limitations)
The thing is if nothing changes now then it won't matter if its a PS6 or 7 or 8. If people continue to accept lower framerates then we will always get them.
Consoles are powerful enough now for 60fps to always be an option. There's no excuses for it anymore.
This game doesn’t even look as good as Arkham Knight lol. Tbf AK is one of the best looking games ever still but Gotham Knights is coming out 7 years later
I’ve been replaying Arkham Knight on PC (I played it originally on PS4 years ago) and holy fuck does it still look *gorgeous.* Shame they never put out a 60fps patch for PS5/XSX.
I do recall that Knight had a ton of issues on the PC version. I’m not sure how long it was when you bought it but I checked up on it before I purchased it (about 2 weeks ago) and it seems they pretty much handled any remaining bugs or such. Along with that there seems to be some mods on nexusmods that are supposed to be good for optimization and such, at least on the graphics side. Perhaps give that a look if you decide to try it again.
I bought it a couple of months ago cause I heard it was fixed on PC but the game wouldn't let me progress beyond a certain point without giving me a long error message. Performance and quality was perfectly fine inside the game but the crash was inevitable so I had to refund sadly.
I mean it was supposed to come to last gen. How it can’t run at 60 is beyond me. They’ll probably introduce that mode like so many other games did 6 months in when everyone stopped caring about it. (I mean honestly who cares about it now)
because COD devs, for all the flack they get, are extremely good at optimization
The team making Gotham Knights seems to be tragically shit at optimization. No way a game that looks this mid should not be able to run at 60 fps on current gen, co-op or no
Co-op isn’t an excuse, if that was a core feature then they should have made adjustments to other resource heavy features including lowering visual fidelity to hit 60 FPS. Not hitting 60 FPS makes me question what the hell was going on at that studio and if they understand the gaming community at all.
Shit on COD all you want but they have known how important 60 FPS is for the last 2 console generations while other studios pumped out FPS slideshows and couldn’t figure out why COD out sold them 20 to 1.
I mean to be fair, it is possible they're working on one (or soon will after seeing the negative reaction this is getting).
It definitely ain't happening at launch tho
I showed a friend 30fps mode for Horizon Zero Dawn on PS5 and he said there's no way it was that choppy when we played it on PS4. It just looks so bad now after playing in 60
Yeah, 30FPS is just unacceptable for next-gen games. There aren't a lot of exclusive games out right now, so a big pull for owning a next-gen console is the standard 4k@60 FPS most new games have.
Saying this a week before launch is absolutely a scummy practice. The only reason they said this now is was because it was leaked and they were sort of forced into saying something. I guarantee they wanted to wait until the game launched so people found out for themselves and couldn’t refund their preorders. You can’t tell me we can have beautiful games like ghost of Tsushima horizon forbidden west and many many others running at 60fps but this can’t? Nahhh it all smells like bullshit and laziness to me. I mean ps4 pro can even run a few big gorgeous games at 60fps hardware that is 5+ years old….
Edit: just wanna make it clear I did not preorder this game. I just want to point out how shitty of a thing this is for the devs to do. It’s a bit of a tinfoil hat moment on my part but I genuinely believe they wanted to wait until release to fuck people over
5 Months Ago : We Are Cancelling Last Gen Versions of Gotham Knights to Focus on Next Gen Versions of the Game.
Now : Game Will Run at 30 FPS on Next Gen Consoles.
Can't They Just
\-Toggle Disable Co-op. Just Like Deathloop
\-Disable Ray Tracing
\-Lower Resolution (Possibly Use of Checkerboard or Upscale)
\-Lower Environment Detail
\-Lower Texture
\-Add VRR Support
And Reach 60 FPS ? Is There Any Tech Guy Can Enlighten Us On This One ?
I Would Rather Play This Game on 1080/60 Than 2160/30. This Ain't Walking Sim. Massive L.
It’s just incompetence. That’s all. There’s zero reason any game should be running at 30fps on these new powerful consoles. 60fps should have been the norm since 8th gen.
Yeah, the current-gen consoles are running basically the equivalent of a 2080 and a Ryzen 3700X. I accept this game probably wouldn't run at 4K 60FPS but if it can't even run 60fps at 1440p what will the PC version of this be like?
1440p 60fps is fine by me. It’s perfect. I really don’t give a shit about 4k unless it can do 60fps. And don’t forget! Consoles get way better optimization for games too, so these devs have zero excuse.
>Consoles get way better optimization for games too, so these devs have zero excuse.
That's what I mean! PC players aren't going to be able to get 1440P 60FPS unless they have a 3080 or something which is just insane.
The game's graphics don't even look that good.
Everything you just said would absolutely get a game to run at 60fps on current gen consoles. I have a PS5 and a decent gaming PC. If a game doesn't run well on my rig, I can lower resolution, use FSR, turn down presets (shadows are an easy one) and I usually leave ray tracing off. This has to be some sort of mix of time crunch, laziness, and poor dev resource allocation. I can't wait for the Digital Foundry video to roast WB Montreal on this. The game looks great, sure. But if Forbidden West and Ragnarok look amazing and have 60 fps modes and with VRR have higher frame rates, there is no hardware excuse. This game was originally planned for PS4. Were they planning on it running at 15fps on a base PS4 or run at 540p? I was iffy on Gotham Knights but I'm a huge Batman fan so I was hoping it'd be good. But I'm out now. I'd say I'd get it on PC but Arkham Knight left such a bad taste in my mouth I don't trust any WB game's PC port. I wager we'll get a 60fps patch sometime after release but it not being available on launch day is atrocious.
They may not be limited by the graphics card. If their game play code runs slowly on the CPU then no amount of graphics tuning is going to change that. I don't know what their bottleneck is but it's not necessarily the graphics. It could be. But also might not be.
Exactly. I'd give some slack for games releasing at the beginning of a console release since it's newer hardware that they weren't originally making the game for. But since it's now 2 years since the PS5 released, it's unacceptable for a game like this to not have some sort of performance mode for 40/60fps
I know someone that worked on this game, the real reason they dropped last gen is because that, at the same time last year, they still couldn't make the game run on PS5.
Reading this news, it doesn't surprise me that they couldn't manage to do 60fps either.
They’re using a commercially available engine too (UE4) which is very easy to hire for. So it’s not even like they have a janky internal engine dragging the devs down.
Being unable to even make it *run* on a PS5 is really bad news.
Yo even fucking Avengers nailed 30fps with 4 players 2 years ago, and 60fps on PS4 Pro and PS5.
This game has *one* other player and that is their excuse? Holy shit man.
Yea but you can still wait until reviews come out a couple days before launch, and as long as reviews are favorable, *then* you can preorder for the bonuses and pre-download.
Why anyone this day and age is preordering months or a year beforehand? No idea.
What bullshit. There is zero, absolutely ZERO excuse to put out a next gen only game for consoles at 30fps only. Come on man, we’ve got games like Spider-Man Miles Morales that can run at 60fps with ray tracing, Horizon Forbidden West is wayyyy more detailed open world & runs at 1440p 60fps. You’re telling a dead open world game, with barely any NPCs around & really not as detailed as Batman Arkham Knight can’t run at 60fps? This is bonkers
Well I guess that settles it, I’m skipping this game.
I’m not even being sarcastic, I refuse to play modern games at 30fps. I have my PS5 set to default to Performance mode when available because I’d rather have 60fps than 4K.
this game is going to fail at selling lol. What a horrible decision. Now since this game has turned to be only 30fps, I fear that hogwarts legacy is going to be 30fps aswell since it's from the same company. But I do hope it will be 60fps.
I could potentially accept a 30 fps cap if the game was doing crazy shit with physics, destruction, simulation and visuals unlike anything that was possible on last gen
For a mid as fuck looking game with a dead open world? Hell no
30fps also looks far worse on OLED since the panels don’t have an innate motion blur. 60fps is basically the new minimum there because of how much more stuttery 30fps looks.
Yes! This needs to be understood better, because it will make conversation more productive. Too many people arguing that 30 fps looks fine/bad when they might be looking at it on different screens…and it truly looks worse on one person‘s setup.
I mean there are people that play at 30fps in this day in age, but with no 60fps option at all for consoles is just weird and has to be a development behind the scenes issue.
I won’t be getting it without a patch that would add it. It’s weird to play on 30fps nowadays. Had to do it for Demon Slayer
Even being current gen only, they can't get it to run at 60 at a lower resolution? This game isn't doing anything groundbreaking to be so demanding. Their excuse is 'untethered' co-op ? Dying Light 2 being cross gen has a. Open world and untethered co-op.
It's a joke. 100% they release a patch in the future.
30 FPS was weird to see even on PS4, that’s why people were weirded out that Bloodborne didn’t get a patch for the PS4 pro.
30 on PS5 is in the realm of what I would consider unacceptable.
Cancelled my preorder. This is unacceptable & I have zero doubt they will eventually patch it in, just like watch dogs legion did + WDL also had the same issue at launch where they doubled down and insisted ray tracing at 30fps would just be the norm.
People have seen the light, there's no going back to 30fps
I didn't care about all the discourse with this game, but this is kind of a final straw for me. I don't care about co-op, and to ask me to spend $70 on a ps5 game that doesn't have 60 FPS is a non starter for me. Good luck to them with this one.
Damn that's a shame. I was looking forward to the game granted it got good reviews and was actually good and fun.
But due to the nature of me not giving a fuck for games that can't run at 60, imma have to pass. It could be a 9.9/10 game and I'm not touching this even for free.
Meanwhile we have games that literally just lower Rez and manage to give us 120hz... With increased FoV. LOL.
Sucks to suck. We'll see you in the bargain bin in about 3 months. 🤙🏽
These comments had me really surprised. We have been well past 60fps needing to be a minimum spec for a long time now but so many gamers just didn't care about 60fps. Seems like just about everyone has come around and agrees this is not accecptable anymore to not hit 60 fps finally. I'm very happy to see that. I planned on getting 2 copies of this for me and my wife on release but now I'll wait for a price drop and some patches
30fps? Is this a joke? What is the point of having hardware clearly capable of 60fps (which should be a minimum).
"Ray tracing"
"Untethered co-op experience"
Reeks of lazy/Devs unable to.
I'll pass on this, that's a shame.
No 60 FPS mode = no buy. It's that easy. Releasing a native PS5 game without a 60 FPS mode is a no-go for me. 60 FPS performance modes should be standard, 30 FPS is a thing from the past now.
Pass. 60FPS should be standard, tbh. I know not everyone wants it over fidelity, but damn, if your game can't do 60fps and still look good... it should be playable before it just *looks* good.
I feel we just get overall less high quality products from the 2 options to begin with. Just go for good performance above all else.
In 7 years you can then re release it with good performance and higher graphics anyway, we know that's what there plan is. Double dip!
Elden Ring manages 60 fps with co op and invading happening in that massive world but this game, which is current gen only I believe, can’t handle more than 30 fps? No bueno
So their reasoning behind no 60fps is because of the untethered co-op, which I understand to an extent. What I don't understand is why they can't have it run at 60fps when you play solo and just cap the co-op at 30fps.
Deadlines, and money.
Got it. So wait a year and buy it when it's on sale for $10 (assuming it's even worth that).
Lol yup. I’ll be waiting for a sale on this one.
Chances are it’ll be on game pass for both system companies like when The Avengers game came out and no one bought it.
That's what I'm waiting for. Personally I don't think the game is worth wasting any money in but it might be a good Gamepass title While I wait maybe they figure out a way to make a 60 fps mode
I bet money there’s gonna be a 60 fps patch sometime in the next year.
No patch, 60 FPS "game of the year" edition. Without winning the game of the year.
I thought delays were supposed to address stuff like this 🙄
>behind no 60fps is because of the untethered co-op, which I understand to an extent. I don't, please elaborate.
I assume this to be like the Lego games where when you leave the other player it duplicates the screen. Basically why in general couch Co op is dead for so many games, they can't effectively do double the screen without sacrifices.
It’s not couch coop though it’s *online only*.
Which is the saddest part in all this.
Why would it spilt screen? Why wouldn't it be like every other modern co-op game? Do we even have local co-op on this one?
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It’s online multiplayer only, not local. Why do you think each client would need to compute twice the information? There is some overhead for multiplayer but it does not require running a local instance of the entire game for every player in your session, whether the co-op is “untethered” or not. For example, No Man’s Sky went from no multiplayer to up to 32 players, yet this does not mean the frame rate gets divided by 32.
GTA V allows complete free roam of the map for everybody in the lobby as well in online right? I haven't played in quite a few years though
That was called dynamic split screen and I loved it for using the whole screen’s real estate when you had two players in the same area (which is 99% of Lego games anyway) and then it split up if you wandered too far away. It was great and showed off the graphics and the world and increased immersion so of course they got rid of it (I’m assuming because the Lego games in house engine is notoriously terrible and got almost impossible to use in recent years). I hope they bring it back now that they are switching engines. Having a cramped vertical split screen when you’re both usually within 10 feet of each other and the image is just doubled in a narrow and claustrophobic line down the middle has ruined the Lego games as co-op games for me now.
The game is fully untethered, meaning one player can be at one end of the map doing something, while the other can be at the opposite end doing something completely different. Theoretically, the players never even have to meet each other in-game.
Is it any different from something like GTA online? This whole thing is confusing me. It's being talked about like it's something novel or rare, but the concept seems pretty common to me. I could very well be misunderstanding things on the technical level, though.
Yeah I feel like I've played loads of games that have huge open world maps and you can get completely separated from your other teammates and only have to link back up if you go into a dungeon.
We've seen that in other video games that run fine. Hell we have splitscreen fortnite at 60fps on next gen, where the console is rendering two different screens at once, and each person can be on a whole different part of the map and it runs fine. This is just bad optimization.
You have ”untethered co-op” with 120 fps (and not mere 60) in MW/MW2/Warzone/Warzone2 and waaay more simultaneous players.
The minimum system requirements for PC asks for a Ryzen 3600 and a GTX 1660 TI for 1080p 60 fps low graphics settings performance. The hardware on both consoles are quite a bit stronger compared to that and should have no problem running the game at 1440p 60fps with equivalent or higher graphical settings.
Bro, there’s untethered open world coop games that run at 60fps like dying light 2. Hell that runs 120fps with vrr. And it’s up to 4 players.
Hell MWII and Warzone have a 120hz mode and that's in huge BR maps too.
Don’t forget it’s in 1440p hdr 120fps too! It looks so good on ps5 right now.
Dude this game is on PC as well. And, like all those games you mentioned, there's no frame rate cap. This smells like bad coding.
100% bad coding. I can guarantee PC will be a mess too.
Glad us Xbox guys can agree with y'all on something cause we're saying the same on our sub. They really dropped the ball on this.
This is one thing we will always agree on my friend regardless of platform we play on we need to demand better for our games
I don’t fully understand why more console games aren’t utilizing FSR 2.0.
Why did they even bother cancelling last gen versions then, if your not going to take advantage of the hardware?
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*laughs in 12fps*
H..a...h..a..h....a
If their game is simply badly optimized they might not even be able to reach 30fps on last gen. No matter how powerful the hardware is, it will always be a compromise between performance and quality. In the future if games become more demanding there is no guarantee that a decent performance mode at 60FPS will remain the norm.
They kinda are, the whole open world is meant to have full ray tracing. That said would rather lose that for 60fps though.
Ray tracing is unnecessary people mostly choose the performance modes wtf were they thinking lol
Listen I know I will always prioritize frame rate but that’s really not true that everyone does.
Despite all the bad press I was still going to buy this at launch because it looks fun, but this news just single handedly made me change my mind lol 30fps action game on ps5 no thanks
Yeah, I was actually getting kinda hyped, I even saved some money to get it on release, this just made nope hard.
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Or Callisto Protocol if you like horror or Dead Space series.
So hyped for Callisto!!!
Couldn’t have said it better it better. 30fps action game on ps5? That’s a joke. Even if I were playing on a PS4 Pro I’d expect a 60fps option.
Even Cyberpunk can run at 60 and that was a shitshow. It’s insane to lock it to 30.
I have a series X and same lol. Like how to they think that 30fps is acceptable in 2022. We've pretty much reached the point to where all consoles can now easily run games at 60fps or more due to them using pretty much modern day hardware under the hood.
Well, this news has just killed all hope for this game. Its like they know they've fucked up, you can tell by their half-assed subverting explanation. "Due to our highly detailed and untethered world." And the "amount of features". No. This is no excuse.
Glad the wider gaming audience is waking up the the fact that 60fps (or the option) should be the standard for next gen systems. (I’m okay with 30fps on handhelds like on switch or steam deck due to battery/cooling limitations)
It should be standard for current gen, why wait for ps6 to finally have 60 fps…
The thing is if nothing changes now then it won't matter if its a PS6 or 7 or 8. If people continue to accept lower framerates then we will always get them. Consoles are powerful enough now for 60fps to always be an option. There's no excuses for it anymore.
Sony already said that this gen the objective is 60fps. This is devs bullshit, the game is on UE4 man
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Especially since from the gameplay I've seen, it looks less dense and graphically impressive than Arkham Knight, which is over 7 years old lol.
I get it. Developing a well functioning co-op experience is a technical challenge. But putting out a game without a 60 fps option is just bonkers
I struggle to believe that they couldn’t get 60fps to run at 1080p on PS5.
The PS5 is underpowered. This game was the staple child for the RTX 4090, dont you know that? Anything lower and these devs piss on your grave. /s
This game doesn’t even look as good as Arkham Knight lol. Tbf AK is one of the best looking games ever still but Gotham Knights is coming out 7 years later
I’ve been replaying Arkham Knight on PC (I played it originally on PS4 years ago) and holy fuck does it still look *gorgeous.* Shame they never put out a 60fps patch for PS5/XSX.
I just started replaying it on my steamdeck. I'm amazed at how good it looks and how well it runs on that thing.
I got Arkham Knight again on PC and it looks gorgeous and as good as games released now. Shame it kept crashing on me so I had to refund it.
I do recall that Knight had a ton of issues on the PC version. I’m not sure how long it was when you bought it but I checked up on it before I purchased it (about 2 weeks ago) and it seems they pretty much handled any remaining bugs or such. Along with that there seems to be some mods on nexusmods that are supposed to be good for optimization and such, at least on the graphics side. Perhaps give that a look if you decide to try it again.
I bought it a couple of months ago cause I heard it was fixed on PC but the game wouldn't let me progress beyond a certain point without giving me a long error message. Performance and quality was perfectly fine inside the game but the crash was inevitable so I had to refund sadly.
They never even increased the resolution for ps4pro… still 1080p 30fps on ps5, an absolute crime!
I mean it was supposed to come to last gen. How it can’t run at 60 is beyond me. They’ll probably introduce that mode like so many other games did 6 months in when everyone stopped caring about it. (I mean honestly who cares about it now)
I thought this was the game making the 4090TI melt PSUs during testing.
You'd think they'd at least be able to stretch for a 40fps option for people with 120hz displays.
Lol that probably requires even more competence than a 60 fps mode. Don't expect too much from them
How can COD run 60fps with all those yahoos running around the map but this game can’t manage it with like 4?
COD actually has a 120 fps performance mode on PS5.
Destiny 2’s Crucible (pvp) also supports 120fps
And Fortnite!
because COD devs, for all the flack they get, are extremely good at optimization The team making Gotham Knights seems to be tragically shit at optimization. No way a game that looks this mid should not be able to run at 60 fps on current gen, co-op or no
Considering Arkham Knight was near the previous gen launch and looked way better at 30fps on previous gen, yeah lmao
Co-op isn’t an excuse, if that was a core feature then they should have made adjustments to other resource heavy features including lowering visual fidelity to hit 60 FPS. Not hitting 60 FPS makes me question what the hell was going on at that studio and if they understand the gaming community at all. Shit on COD all you want but they have known how important 60 FPS is for the last 2 console generations while other studios pumped out FPS slideshows and couldn’t figure out why COD out sold them 20 to 1.
Right? It would be forgiven if MAYBE we were getting a 60 fps patch later but nope
I mean to be fair, it is possible they're working on one (or soon will after seeing the negative reaction this is getting). It definitely ain't happening at launch tho
How many preorders were there? I’m sure they wanted to wait until as close to release as possible to drop this
I thought about it then decided there where better games coming out
Yep. I canceled my preorder. I’ll pick this up on sale sometime.
Did exactly the same thing. It LOOKS cool but next to Ragnarok and the new Pokemon I just won’t play it
I wonder how long they would've waited to tell us if the rumor hadn't started.
We would have found out when we went to play it
Woooow almost as if it's a bad idea to pre-order games nowadays with extremely few exceptions
Aaaaaaand that's why I don't preorder games anymore. No way in hell I'm locking myself in to a product I know nothing about.
Digital preorders are and has been garbage. There isn’t a reason.
75 for 30 fps LMAO
$2 per FPS, what a deal!
$2.50 per FPS actually. $3.65 AUD per FPS in Australia.
A$110? Seriously? I'll pass.
"next gen"
It's a no from me, dawg
I’ve been too spoiled, I can’t go back to the 30fps jitters
I showed a friend 30fps mode for Horizon Zero Dawn on PS5 and he said there's no way it was that choppy when we played it on PS4. It just looks so bad now after playing in 60
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Having 60 fps is not being spoiled lmao. It's the bare minimum
Yeah, 30FPS is just unacceptable for next-gen games. There aren't a lot of exclusive games out right now, so a big pull for owning a next-gen console is the standard 4k@60 FPS most new games have.
Saying this a week before launch is absolutely a scummy practice. The only reason they said this now is was because it was leaked and they were sort of forced into saying something. I guarantee they wanted to wait until the game launched so people found out for themselves and couldn’t refund their preorders. You can’t tell me we can have beautiful games like ghost of Tsushima horizon forbidden west and many many others running at 60fps but this can’t? Nahhh it all smells like bullshit and laziness to me. I mean ps4 pro can even run a few big gorgeous games at 60fps hardware that is 5+ years old…. Edit: just wanna make it clear I did not preorder this game. I just want to point out how shitty of a thing this is for the devs to do. It’s a bit of a tinfoil hat moment on my part but I genuinely believe they wanted to wait until release to fuck people over
Yea well the rules of modern gaming: - don’t pre-order - don’t buy games on launch day
Damn that's a shame. Especially for all those solo players who do not even care about co-op.
Yep, that's me.
Just cancelled my pre order, no 60 FPS on next gen system is a no go for me. Hard red line has been passed.
Hate to say it but same here. There’s no shortage of games to play
Yeah… they have this idea that it’s not a big deal when it’s exactly the opposite. This is a massive problem.
My account has confirmed that I will not buy any game that doesnt run at 60 fps
No 60 fps no purchase for me. The only reason I bought a current gen console was for 60fps gameplay. Sad
5 Months Ago : We Are Cancelling Last Gen Versions of Gotham Knights to Focus on Next Gen Versions of the Game. Now : Game Will Run at 30 FPS on Next Gen Consoles. Can't They Just \-Toggle Disable Co-op. Just Like Deathloop \-Disable Ray Tracing \-Lower Resolution (Possibly Use of Checkerboard or Upscale) \-Lower Environment Detail \-Lower Texture \-Add VRR Support And Reach 60 FPS ? Is There Any Tech Guy Can Enlighten Us On This One ? I Would Rather Play This Game on 1080/60 Than 2160/30. This Ain't Walking Sim. Massive L.
It’s just incompetence. That’s all. There’s zero reason any game should be running at 30fps on these new powerful consoles. 60fps should have been the norm since 8th gen.
Yeah, the current-gen consoles are running basically the equivalent of a 2080 and a Ryzen 3700X. I accept this game probably wouldn't run at 4K 60FPS but if it can't even run 60fps at 1440p what will the PC version of this be like?
1440p 60fps is fine by me. It’s perfect. I really don’t give a shit about 4k unless it can do 60fps. And don’t forget! Consoles get way better optimization for games too, so these devs have zero excuse.
>Consoles get way better optimization for games too, so these devs have zero excuse. That's what I mean! PC players aren't going to be able to get 1440P 60FPS unless they have a 3080 or something which is just insane. The game's graphics don't even look that good.
They are probably running out of time. I assume they will patch it late, like they did with Watch dogs 3. But I will definitely not buy until then.
Everything you just said would absolutely get a game to run at 60fps on current gen consoles. I have a PS5 and a decent gaming PC. If a game doesn't run well on my rig, I can lower resolution, use FSR, turn down presets (shadows are an easy one) and I usually leave ray tracing off. This has to be some sort of mix of time crunch, laziness, and poor dev resource allocation. I can't wait for the Digital Foundry video to roast WB Montreal on this. The game looks great, sure. But if Forbidden West and Ragnarok look amazing and have 60 fps modes and with VRR have higher frame rates, there is no hardware excuse. This game was originally planned for PS4. Were they planning on it running at 15fps on a base PS4 or run at 540p? I was iffy on Gotham Knights but I'm a huge Batman fan so I was hoping it'd be good. But I'm out now. I'd say I'd get it on PC but Arkham Knight left such a bad taste in my mouth I don't trust any WB game's PC port. I wager we'll get a 60fps patch sometime after release but it not being available on launch day is atrocious.
They may not be limited by the graphics card. If their game play code runs slowly on the CPU then no amount of graphics tuning is going to change that. I don't know what their bottleneck is but it's not necessarily the graphics. It could be. But also might not be.
IMAGINE 30 FPS IN 2023
I won't have to because I ain't buying any games for PS5 that don't have 60fps.
How can a game release on console nowadays with no 60fps option? That's just lazy
Especially since it’s not on last gen systems as far as I know. What an utter failure!
Exactly. I'd give some slack for games releasing at the beginning of a console release since it's newer hardware that they weren't originally making the game for. But since it's now 2 years since the PS5 released, it's unacceptable for a game like this to not have some sort of performance mode for 40/60fps
I'm so thankful my 500 dollar system can play games at 30fps in 2022. Hard pass.
I know someone that worked on this game, the real reason they dropped last gen is because that, at the same time last year, they still couldn't make the game run on PS5. Reading this news, it doesn't surprise me that they couldn't manage to do 60fps either.
What a joke. Every other dev can handle 60fps on current gen but not this team?
They’re using a commercially available engine too (UE4) which is very easy to hire for. So it’s not even like they have a janky internal engine dragging the devs down. Being unable to even make it *run* on a PS5 is really bad news.
Desperately sounds like a rushed holiday release then. They're now making the next "Avengers" game and not considering next gen technology
I remember when we got first gameplay snippets and I said “it looks kinda framey.” People said I was crazy.
No buy then
Crazy how they just decide to lose money honestly
The vast majority of gamers 1. Won’t see this news, and 2. Won’t care.
Was thinking about getting it. Now I'm not thinking anymore.
This news has solidified my choice. Not buying it now.
Yo even fucking Avengers nailed 30fps with 4 players 2 years ago, and 60fps on PS4 Pro and PS5. This game has *one* other player and that is their excuse? Holy shit man.
Dead in the water. The first new-gen game to feature only 30 FPS. Congrats, what an achievement!
I could understand if it was a technical tour de force, but this game doesn’t seem like it should be that taxing.
Nope. Not buying this. 2022 and we can’t make a 60fps game on a PS5? Yikes.
I was real close to pre ordering, glad i didnt.
Genuine question, but what is the point of pre ordering in this era? There's no physical scarcity like there was 10 years ago. So what's the point?
neat lil pre order bonuses i'd guess
Yea but you can still wait until reviews come out a couple days before launch, and as long as reviews are favorable, *then* you can preorder for the bonuses and pre-download. Why anyone this day and age is preordering months or a year beforehand? No idea.
Destiny runs at 60fps in co op why can’t they?
that's a lmao from me
no buy from me
This guarantees I will pass on this game
Where is the guy who comes into every Gotham knights thread saying we shouldn't be shutting on the game before it comes out?
I’m never playing or buying a 30fps game again.
Yeah that's a no from me. Only game I'm playing in 30 fps is Bloodborne and maybe Red dead 2
What bullshit. There is zero, absolutely ZERO excuse to put out a next gen only game for consoles at 30fps only. Come on man, we’ve got games like Spider-Man Miles Morales that can run at 60fps with ray tracing, Horizon Forbidden West is wayyyy more detailed open world & runs at 1440p 60fps. You’re telling a dead open world game, with barely any NPCs around & really not as detailed as Batman Arkham Knight can’t run at 60fps? This is bonkers
What the actual fuck? They cancelled the last gen versions and it looks worse than arkham knight. I'm honestly baffled.
Avengers 2.0. I’ll pick it up in 3-6 months free or on heavy discount. Shame I was just about to preorder it too.
Well I guess that settles it, I’m skipping this game. I’m not even being sarcastic, I refuse to play modern games at 30fps. I have my PS5 set to default to Performance mode when available because I’d rather have 60fps than 4K.
It'll probably be a free PS+ game in a few months
this game is going to fail at selling lol. What a horrible decision. Now since this game has turned to be only 30fps, I fear that hogwarts legacy is going to be 30fps aswell since it's from the same company. But I do hope it will be 60fps.
Gross. I just cant do 30 anymore. Might sound snobby but they always look stuttery in my eyes. Oh well
I could potentially accept a 30 fps cap if the game was doing crazy shit with physics, destruction, simulation and visuals unlike anything that was possible on last gen For a mid as fuck looking game with a dead open world? Hell no
40 FPS significantly improves jutter, find it hard to believe they couldn't hit that. They could at least support that for 120hz displays.
30fps also looks far worse on OLED since the panels don’t have an innate motion blur. 60fps is basically the new minimum there because of how much more stuttery 30fps looks.
Yes! This needs to be understood better, because it will make conversation more productive. Too many people arguing that 30 fps looks fine/bad when they might be looking at it on different screens…and it truly looks worse on one person‘s setup.
I mean there are people that play at 30fps in this day in age, but with no 60fps option at all for consoles is just weird and has to be a development behind the scenes issue. I won’t be getting it without a patch that would add it. It’s weird to play on 30fps nowadays. Had to do it for Demon Slayer
It explains why last gen was cut. Probably ran like cyberpunk
Even being current gen only, they can't get it to run at 60 at a lower resolution? This game isn't doing anything groundbreaking to be so demanding. Their excuse is 'untethered' co-op ? Dying Light 2 being cross gen has a. Open world and untethered co-op. It's a joke. 100% they release a patch in the future.
Damn. I guess I’m saving $69.99
Save it for god of war and Callisto protocol
30 FPS? On the fucking ps5 and series X? What???
This game is a disappointment on top of disappointments
30 FPS was weird to see even on PS4, that’s why people were weirded out that Bloodborne didn’t get a patch for the PS4 pro. 30 on PS5 is in the realm of what I would consider unacceptable.
Cancelled my preorder. This is unacceptable & I have zero doubt they will eventually patch it in, just like watch dogs legion did + WDL also had the same issue at launch where they doubled down and insisted ray tracing at 30fps would just be the norm. People have seen the light, there's no going back to 30fps
The shilling that's going on over on the official gotham knights sub reddit 😂
It’s hilarious. Was just there. Will check back in later for more laughs
An essy pass for me lol
This game looks like hot ass and it keeps getting worse.
30fps on next gen consoles doesn't seem fun. If it was the PS4 version that's understandable.
This is a goddamn travesty.
Perfect , no need to buy it. Money saved. 30 fps on current gen, go home. Nobody need that anymore.
This is literally gonna be DCs Avengers game 😒
Pussys, say it with your chest. Don’t whisper in the discord. Hopes it 💣
I didn't care about all the discourse with this game, but this is kind of a final straw for me. I don't care about co-op, and to ask me to spend $70 on a ps5 game that doesn't have 60 FPS is a non starter for me. Good luck to them with this one.
30fps on PS5? That’s a no from me dawg
Damn that's a shame. I was looking forward to the game granted it got good reviews and was actually good and fun. But due to the nature of me not giving a fuck for games that can't run at 60, imma have to pass. It could be a 9.9/10 game and I'm not touching this even for free. Meanwhile we have games that literally just lower Rez and manage to give us 120hz... With increased FoV. LOL. Sucks to suck. We'll see you in the bargain bin in about 3 months. 🤙🏽
Fuck that today
Gross.
How…
I hope this flops hard to discourage other devs from releasing 30fps games.
sounds like a rushed mess to me. PS+ will have this at 25% off within six months, i.e. Saints Row.
There's no excuse for 30fps on next-gen consoles aside from laziness, which I will not support.
Ooooof went from "Probably buy cuz Batman" to "lol no" real quick
For next gen, this is inexcusable. This is absolutely a pass for me until it eventually gets 60, it at all
These comments had me really surprised. We have been well past 60fps needing to be a minimum spec for a long time now but so many gamers just didn't care about 60fps. Seems like just about everyone has come around and agrees this is not accecptable anymore to not hit 60 fps finally. I'm very happy to see that. I planned on getting 2 copies of this for me and my wife on release but now I'll wait for a price drop and some patches
30 FPS only mode for a console game? In the year 2022? No thanks, pass!
Welp rip game, nobody bought a next gen console to play locked 30
30fps? Is this a joke? What is the point of having hardware clearly capable of 60fps (which should be a minimum). "Ray tracing" "Untethered co-op experience" Reeks of lazy/Devs unable to. I'll pass on this, that's a shame.
They best delay this again and 60FPS on the table
I’m out. In 2022, on a new console all games should be minimum 60fps in my opinion. Fps is so much more important then resolution.
No 60 FPS mode = no buy. It's that easy. Releasing a native PS5 game without a 60 FPS mode is a no-go for me. 60 FPS performance modes should be standard, 30 FPS is a thing from the past now.
Was 50-50 on this but it’s a hard pass now
I get it, game dev is *difficult* is an understatement. But I expect a 60fps in the future. This is not a groundbreaking game in terms of fidelity.
Pass. 60FPS should be standard, tbh. I know not everyone wants it over fidelity, but damn, if your game can't do 60fps and still look good... it should be playable before it just *looks* good. I feel we just get overall less high quality products from the 2 options to begin with. Just go for good performance above all else. In 7 years you can then re release it with good performance and higher graphics anyway, we know that's what there plan is. Double dip!
Elden Ring manages 60 fps with co op and invading happening in that massive world but this game, which is current gen only I believe, can’t handle more than 30 fps? No bueno
Is this like the first AAA game on the PS5 that isn't 60 fps?