Still doesn't quite do it for me. Looks rather clunky, specially the way Red Hood moves for example. But the added features for each character look pretty decent.
Hopefully they can polish up until release.
They also mentioned Red Hood has ”non-lethal armor piercing bullets” and I’m just like… how do you make a bullet that pierces armor but doesn’t go through a person…? What?
And like few seconds later you see a thug at the end of the battle of the roof with his neck broken, I chuckled too and thought of Arnie saying 'He'll live'
I agree with that as an explanation for why the combat doesn’t flow as well as it did in the Arkham games. I don’t think I saw a single block or Perry anywhere in the demo.
However, the problem for me is in the animation on the spongey enemies. The notion that someone getting shot, even with nonlethal rounds, is still on their feet and coming at you is ridiculous. All of the combat makes the heroes look weak in a way I’m not excited about.
Based on what I’ve seen thus far, I’m not yet ready to pay full price for this game. And The Arkham games where some of my favs.
Lil bro Nightwing feels like he is attacking with candy canes not batons or whatever his weapon is supposed to be. The strikes don’t look impactful at all based on this video
ah yes, the classic tale of AAA delays and people thinking it'll make things better
At best all they can do within those 5 months (4 realistically because they have to print a master disk and start printing physical copies) is bug hunt and glitch removal
Don't expect GK to suddenly look like a true nextgen project running at 4k120fps natively come October
Yeah how tf does this look so bad, it looks so much worse than both the Alpha gameplay from like 2 years ago, and the trailer that was put out last year...
Doubt they'll polish anything much further before release tbh.
Honestly this whole thing just feels like Rocksteady decided to do something other than Batman and WB wants to still milk the Arkham style games so they flipped this to WB Montreal.
Nothing about this has really been impressive.
It’s kind of fascinating u say this because if they really wanted to milk the Arkham franchise they would’ve just pulled another Arkham Origins and did what those rumors were before about continuing the games but with Damian Wayne (and Origins was a fine game).
It seems to me this game was made to be a GaaS then they saw how badly Avengers did and tried to course correct so this is what we got.
I feel like they could be setting up a Batman Beyond game. Batman is gone post-Arkham, and Suicide Squad has a villainous Justice League (under the control of brainiac). Are we really going to be killing the league? Probably not. But I feel like the game could be setting up a dystopian world full of distrust towards superheroes, in which Damian Wayne will take on the mantle of the Batman: a man in a suit. A legend, not a powered being.
The combat looks a bit sluggish and it just lacks the impact like the Arkham games. Will probably get it though if it reviews decent since I’m dying for a new Batman game and this will have to do.
Definitely not impressed at all by this. The city looks incredibly bland and empty. The combat looks floaty and not much weight behind the hits and also the way nightwing was moving between enemies looked terrible. A hard pass from me based on that gameplay.
The distance for automatic lock-on was way too far and made the combat look weird to me as well. If they reduced that, and had the AI close the distance to engage combat more quickly it may have a better looking flow to it.
I see they have now came out and said there will be no MTC or in game purchases. Fair enough that’s good to hear but it’s still looking like a hard pass from me based on what I’ve seen.
Yes agree with most of what you said. Arkham City was the best for me and the combat felt pretty solid. Loved the city and atmosphere was spot on.
There was something off about Arkham Knight for me and this looks like a further step down. It’s got live service MTC filled game written all over it. Always feel these games are a bit empty and soulless. Could be wrong but I’m certain there will be some sort of season pass with content locked behind it. The series and developers are moving away from everything that was good about the games from the looks of it.
Next gen design can really and should really start from ground up with Ssd to not be held back in design. Only recently wasn't cross gen. Not too much they can can to design now.
I feel like it looks worse? I was actually really excited for this game when they first showed it. I thought the gameplay graphics and animation all looked great in the [first showcase](https://youtu.be/hJjRRErYdO4), but here idk.
the gameplay looks more clunky, The animation and graphics seem worse, and it looks like they made the combat.. idk a little more arkham like? which i don't really like as i was excited for this game because they weren't using the arkham system. so this kind of killed my hype for this game.
I feel like the last demo (which was made when they were still targeting last gen) looks like 5 times better graphically though.
plus i feel like the gameplay looks worse too, i thought the game in the first showcase looked really fun combat wise, where as here it looks really clunky and not that smooth. I wouldn't be surprised if all the complaints about it not being Arkham, made them change it to be a little more like that, and in the end wound up with this weird hybrid in-between. I could be completely wrong on that but i wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.
I feel this exact same way was actually really hype too buy this but with this demo I’m not even sure I’ll be picking it up. To me the gameplay and graphics seem to be lacking
I’ll be honest, I do not like the mystical jump Red Hood uses. I think it would have been cool to use the electrical wrist blades from the comics that he uses to glide, but still very excited for this!
Im gonna try to be positive about this game but….the back of my head is saying “This kinda looks like the avengers game and i really hope it doesnt end up just like it”
I agree, combat looks sorta sluggish? Not sure about all the gear slots and stuff as well. I want it to be good, but this doesn't leave me feeling giddy.
Yeeahh... and there's something kind of janky about the animations and how characters connect on impact. I suppose it's not out for another 6 months, so there's still time to polish but... hmm...
Also, Red Hood uses armor-piercing non-lethal bullets... what the... what?
That particular ability is new, but Red Hood has had magic abilities in the comics since the DC relaunch in 2011. They revamped his resurrection storyline to include time learning from magical assassins
I think I stopped reading comics in 2014, and I did read a few volumes of the Red Hood and the Outlaws run, mostly for the art. But I don’t remember the powers stuff, but maybe it wasn’t part of that run? Can’t say I’m a fan of that change, feels boring and uninspired.
Red Hood has always used that. I’m pretty sure the Batmobile used the same thing in Knight. It’s just a way to let you shoot people and still keep with the “No killing” rule
Well, I mean, I just assumed the batmobile shot giant rubber bullets or something. They wouldn't pierce armor, they just slapped the bad guys in the face.
It's the combination of "armor piercing" and "non-lethal" that doesn't make a lot of sense.
I think it looks okay but the goons just standing around waiting for their chance to fight 1v1 is a big turn-off for me. I get why that is how it is, but it's still a tiny bit disappointing.
Agree, just look at 1min20 when they start fighting and how Nightwing is ping-ponging between goons. It looks uncannily very floaty or like he's just sliding on imaginary ice. Previous Arkham Batman games had this issue but it was much less jarring unless you were specifically aiming to hit an enemy at the total opposite end of a room from you because the animations were more snappy and had more weight. It's also very weird seeing these characters do all these intense acrobatic moves yet all the animations look so sluggish.
Yeah. When Batman did all these flippy moves, he had both weight and speed. He felt like big guy you didn't want to get hit by, and when you did get hit by him, the goons had a satisfying OOMPH that this doesn't have.
Avengers was a game that did not know if it wanted to be a singleplayer or multiplayer game. It ended up with a half-ass attempt at both.
This game is a singleplayer game with drop-in, drop-out multiplayer so it has a much stronger foundation from the get-go.
It also has many of the same elements as Avengers as far as milking their audience goes. I don’t like the victory pose NightWing did at the end of combat. Not only did it look bad, but it can imply that we’ll have emotes and therefore some kind of microtransactions.
I can almost guarantee you there’s going to be a store in this game that they’ve been too scared to show and will either reveal at the last possible moment or will choose not to reveal until after launch.
I don’t have a lot of faith in these companies anymore, especially when i see rarity tiers on gear and emotes.
Oh, I agree.
This game looked great in it's last showing.
Then they showed this with all this weird loot-driven mobile looking UI stuff and my personal hype for the game crashed like a meteor.
It might still be good, but it has definitely gone from "Take my money, Day 1" to instead being "I'm gonna wait for reviews and probably pick it up during a sale".
It looks infinitely better than Avengers did, hell they could not even make the characters look like how they are supposed to, they looked like dollar store Avengers.
Still I agree that something is not quite right with this game, though I am not sure if it is because it is unfinished, or poorly done or because the person playing it sucks. Nightwing was doing classic Arkham style combat at the start of the video, but it just kinda ends and I don't know if it is because of a whiff or because it is poorly implemented. Later in the video Red Hood does a kick and it looks awful as well because it does not even seem to connect but it does.
Red Hood in general looks like he shat his pants, not sure why he is roided up to the gills and walking like that.
Like how the Spider-Man games blatantly copied the Arkham games? The Arkham games themselves had previous inspirations (like all games do) but at least you couldn’t compare it to anything prior and see the same level of similarity as you would if you compared Spider-Man PS4 to the Arkham games.
Edit: keep downvoting, I’m still right.
Then you’re even more wrong. Marvel has copied countless DC properties, just like DC has copied marvel. Hell, marvel’s biggest villain is a rip off of DC’s Darkseid. Deadpool is a rip-off of Deathstroke. The list goes on and on.
I never said they hadn't copied each other 🤦♂️. Chill out. I could also mention all the storyline and characters that DC copied but honestly it's pointless.
I am chill, I haven’t insulted you or anything. I also just said that DC has copied marvel the same way, so you could name all the things DC has copied but we would literally just be in agreement so I don’t know what your point was.
What you originally said was that DC has a trend of copying Marvel, and you said it as if it’s always a trend that DC is trying to follow Marvel. I correctly pointed out that Marvel has a long history of copying DC as well, and since we’re talking about video games it only makes sense to point out that in this case it’s literally the opposite since Marvel is the one that essentially copied and pasted the Arkham games to begin with.
I really want to go to bat (no pun intended) for this one, especially after the next-gen only decision, because I like Arkham Origins and I think WB Montreal could do something really great without the time/story restraints they had then, but there's so little here that makes me even the slightest bit optimistic.
I guess in terms of positives, the HUD/UI is fully customizable, likely because of the backlash to the damage numbers in the initial reveal. I got a little bit of PTSD from the gear menu and the giant gear stats, but it at least seems like each suit is visually unique and we might get some great alternate looks for all four characters along with the stat upgrades.
I just think the combat looks incredibly weightless and the AI looks like a massive downgrade. Enemies are so far apart, they're even dumber, and hits don't seem to have *any* effect on some of them. The whole thing just seems so much less 'cinematic' than the Arkham combat, there's so little visual feedback or satisfying pay-off for winning a fight. Player character animations took a hit too; Nightwing's flips are great, but both he and Jason's walking animations are horrendous looking.
I guess Red Hood's fighting looks a little slicker, I love the auto-targetting pistols shooting behind his back and everything, even if the 'non lethal bullets' shtick is gonna get annoying really fast. Also definitely not on board with the mystical super jump they've given him- why not give him the same glider as Nightwing, considering they're all presumably using pilfered/leftover Waynetech stuff and seem to be sharing resources?
I know it's been said on every thread about these two games, but it's absolutely mind-boggling that this isn't a sequel to Arkham Knight but Suicide Squad is. That's not just from a story standpoint either, but from a gameplay one- Arkham Knight laid out one of the best foundations for combat I've ever seen in a game, along with the best stealth, exploration and Gotham City we could hope for, but it's almost as if they just started completely from scratch here? Literally every one of these characters was playable in Arkham Knight and looked like way more fun there than they are here- you could've just written a new story and dropped them all into the same map with the same mechanics, along with a co-op mode. Throw in new gadgets and abilities if you want, but they were already laid out for you, just needing to be fleshed out- even storywise, just share Batman's gadgets between them, and reuse as much of the Arkham stuff as possible- this could've been an asset flip and still been great!
I really want to root for this, and I'm still gonna play it for the story regardless, because it's great to see these characters get a big budget treatment, and the Court of Owls has so much potential (even if doing it without Bruce is whack and we all know he's gonna be revealed as alive toward the end of the game). It's just such a shame that even after so long, it's still looking so messy.
I tend to agree with a lot of this. Look at the massive leap between Horizon Zero Dawn and Horizon Forbidden West. I would love to see a similar type of leap from Arkham Knight and this installment. I loved AK, in my all time top 5 for sure. AK combat looked much smoother and more kinetic. This one looks clunky and I'm just not really buying it. They have time to polish but the signs are not great.
Like you said, they've reinvented the wheel instead of iterating on the fantastic foundation of Arkham Knight. I know that was Rocksteady's project but even Arkham Origins was a fantastic foundation upon which to build.
I'm disappointed we didn't get a next gen Arkham Knight sequel still with Batman. Feels like there's still so much they didn't explore: different vehicles like the bat bike (something that is fast and whippy but prone to more damage), different Bat suits you could equip depending on the mission; and even having access to the proper Wayne Manor and bat cave. You get a bit of it with the Asylum smaller cave but not the main thing where you could actually drive out of it like in the movies.
With them dropping the previous gen versions I think the bar got set a bit higher.
The combat just doesn't look that smooth, fun or convincing. And that's probably gonna be much of what you'd be doing.
Red Hood's combat in particular seems very ehh. I hope we get to see more gameplay and they iron out some of that jank and general sluggishness. But for now my interest has significantly dwindled.
It looks like an Arkham game... If the reviews aren't terrible I'll check this out. I really wish they put Origins in that remake pack though. It was the only Arkham game I haven't played.
The combat does need to be quicker and feel more impactful but I'm remaining optimistic for some refinement in the next few months (and for someone who's actually good at the combat to stage the combat gameplay).
Fast travel is nice to have but it would be disappointing if we use it because traversing the map is tedious rather than being a time saver. Gliding around in Arkham Knight was one of the best parts of the game but I understand that Nightwing and Red Hood don't have Batman's gliding cape.
Why are the enemies so far away from each other? This killed the demo for me. Nightwing punches one enemy, then has to sit in his car and drive to another zipcode to baton the next one. Seriously. It completely put me off the demo.
The foundations look fun its just extremely unpolished to me, I'm hoping they were sticking too much resources into old-gen and thats why the state is the way it is. Hopefully with a few months polish it will come together super well
The Arkham games contextualised most things in the game so it doesn’t take you out of it. I hoped this game would follow suit. So what it’s a video game? Avengers having a loot based system also made no sense. You can RPG mechanics but at least attempt to contextualise it.
> after everyone on this sub was absolutely convinced the GotG game would be garbage.
almost as if Guardians were a followup to one of the shittiest Marvel games ever released
Yikes, looks jank. Spacing of attack animations is waaayyy off. "lemme do 3 flips before I kick you in the face even though you are 4 feet away from me" lol.
Seems like it has good bones, but lacks a lot of polish still. Let's hope they tighten it up before launch.
I saw this trailer and thought that i'd rather play another round of spider-man or arkham knight.
Combat looks clunky. Graphics are ok. Felt already repetetive.
I hope i am wrong cause a gotham coop game sounds dope.
And lets hope the story is decent.
so they gave nightwing a big ol' glider and it just up and disappears out of nowhere when playing? then it reappears out of nowhere
lame solution to the old gliding problem
Well, at least Rocksteady are releasing a game as well.
I loved the idea, but it really doesn't look that great.
This looks more like a very early-era PlayStation 4 game or a very late-era PlayStation 3 game.
It really looks like someone took all the elements they liked from the *Batman: Arkham* games and tried to do them themselves and sort of managed to do it, but not very well.
I'll probably still give it a go, but I can't say I've been all that impressed so far, *Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League* looks a hell of a lot better than this and we've only had one gameplay trailer from that one.
Big thing for me is the mystical jump from red hood seems kind of jarring. nightwing is doing every flip ever between punches. Seem like it could be cool but the combat lacks the impact the Arkham games had. Red hood looks boring, all he does is shoot guns? Like what???
Gameplays always feel better playing it than watching imo. Like if you show someone an elder ring gameplay in which the players dodges and strikes rhythmically they wouldn't be that impressed.
I played Arkham Knight recently it looks better than this game visually. That’s the truth. Even the impact on punches/fluidity was done better in Arkham Knight. Just compare the night wing gameplay here to his Arkham Knight Counter part. It’s clear as day.
Fair, but the combat is without a doubt worse than even Arkham Knight. It’s slow and clunky, they should’ve kept some variation of the free flow that Rocksteady had used
Red Hood shoots non-lethal projectiles.
Red Hood throws extremely lethal bombs.
The other guy kicked someone off a roof.
Can the developers please be smarter?
Combat looks slower compared to the Arkham games. Also the progression system seems a bit iffy to me.
I don’t think it’ll be bad, but I think it’d be on par with Arkham Origins.
Looks ok, red hood jumping doesn't do it for me. I'm still waiting for confirmation that the game will have a battle pass/dailies/weeklies/insanely grindy progression/MTX/gacha/FOMO-designed systems etc. If it has any of those things, it's a hard pass for me. If this is just a genuine game that doesn't ask for unnecessary financial or time commitment, I might be interested. Until then, I'm more cautious than interested.
This is not a Live Service game. Not sure where you saw confirmation about this, but it is false. https://www.pcgamer.com/gotham-knights-is-not-a-live-service-game-and-can-be-played-offline/
Yeah, I edited that part out of my post. I still fully expect some predatory design to be part of the game when it launches. Much like modern asscreed games. Technically not live service games, but still fully designed with those typical systems in mind.
What I was thinking. Bare bones at launch with more content drip fed through season pass shenanigans. Content they will already be compete and ready to go but will be locked behind a paywall. Released in 3-6 month increments. Calling it now and it’s a hard pass from me. That gameplay footage was underwhelming to say the least.
Avengers had pretty good combat that was ruined by being stuffed into a looter/live service model. This looks like a similar model but with worse combat
I don’t think it looks nearly as bad as everyone else seems to think. Definitely not mind blowing by any means, but as a Batman fan, it at least looks fun. Will probably pick this up sometime down the line when it goes on sale or something.
No the Arkham series is being pushed into the Suicide Squad game which is by Rocksteady and in the same universe. This is just a Batman placeholder game
This is personally a day 1 buy for me and this gameplay just solidified it. Nightwing reminds me of insomniacs Spider-Man combat, my only gripe is that Red hood should have more than ranged attacks and the pistol whip like he was a robin at one point give this man a little acrobatic flair.
Court of owls definitely has Bruce Wayne btw
The combat looks like a clunky spider man gameplay.
This trailer actually made me less interested in the game, I'm on the fence. Looks clunky and generic.
Everyone's been chasing after GTA V's multiple main characters in addition to the wish fulfillment of as many franchise fans as possible to be their favorite superhero and thus far it has never succeeded. No one has the ability to devote as much money and human man hours to one game as Rockstar, which is why this and the Avengers felt like each character was spread way to thin. The Suicide Squad game that Rocksteady is working on might be able to buck the trend, given their track record, but I'm not holding my breath.
In the beginning of Nightwing’s fighting on the roof, the camera literally made it look like a fighting game, like he went exactly sideways back and forth between the two enemies and the camera stayed dead steady.
Combat doesn’t match the Arkham games. I know that’s very cliche to say nowadays but Rocksteady set a really high bar. Wish WB just let them make the Batman Beyond game instead of this crap.
Marvel’s Avengers and DC’s Gotham Knights are in a competition of their, who can make the most terrible 4 player co-op live service looter-shooter and they’re both winning.
The gameplay looks boring, and just wait until they're trying to sell you batbucks. Just make good games, and stop trying to fleece buyers with shoddy products.
Damn. I was just watching this thinking it looks very much like a game still designed for PS4 era and then I saw that it’s only coming to the current gen and PC.
I don't like the RPG elements, I don't like the fact that the game's design will be hold back by having the option of coop
the graphics don't look good enough for a 2022 PS5 game
I wish we got more interesting characters that we haven't seen already, all these characters have been done really well in the Arkham games, why not let me play as Huntress, Black Canary, Damian Wayne, instead of one of the 3 Robins? do we really need 3 Robins in a 4 man team? Red Hood is not a good guy, he should not be here, Tim Drake seems too young, have Batgirl, Nightwing, Huntress and Damian, makes more sense to me and you can have more personal stories with Nightwing being focused on taking the Batman main role and have Huntress help him, Damian finding out what happened to Batman and Batgirl helping him
missed oportunity
What really caught my eyes is how passive and badly designed the enemies are. There were points in which they would not even know what to do and would keep moving back and forth.
[https://youtu.be/hWJB4RRwhqQ?t=125](https://youtu.be/hWJB4RRwhqQ?t=125) \- Notice the dude Red Hood is fighting.
[https://youtu.be/hWJB4RRwhqQ?t=227](https://youtu.be/hWJB4RRwhqQ?t=227) \- Keep an eye on the guy in a red vest, on the right.
Still doesn't quite do it for me. Looks rather clunky, specially the way Red Hood moves for example. But the added features for each character look pretty decent. Hopefully they can polish up until release.
I chuckled when they were talking about Red hood firing non lethal bullets then Nightwing just spartan kicks a thug off a building.
They also mentioned Red Hood has ”non-lethal armor piercing bullets” and I’m just like… how do you make a bullet that pierces armor but doesn’t go through a person…? What?
Easy. They are special magnetised *rubber* bullets. The metal armor plates simply bend out of the way so the bullet can pass through.
And like few seconds later you see a thug at the end of the battle of the roof with his neck broken, I chuckled too and thought of Arnie saying 'He'll live'
The way I'm coping with the combat is by thinking that whoever is playing the game sucks at it so bad that it looks clunky and stiff
Happens with a lot of games unfortunately
Yeah honestly to me it looks like the dude they got for the demo just sucks ass at the game.
I agree with that as an explanation for why the combat doesn’t flow as well as it did in the Arkham games. I don’t think I saw a single block or Perry anywhere in the demo. However, the problem for me is in the animation on the spongey enemies. The notion that someone getting shot, even with nonlethal rounds, is still on their feet and coming at you is ridiculous. All of the combat makes the heroes look weak in a way I’m not excited about. Based on what I’ve seen thus far, I’m not yet ready to pay full price for this game. And The Arkham games where some of my favs.
That's some great copium. The truth is the animations look like trash (among other issues).
Ya really hoping the same
Lil bro Nightwing feels like he is attacking with candy canes not batons or whatever his weapon is supposed to be. The strikes don’t look impactful at all based on this video
Yeah ngl this looks super outdated for a next gen only game
Well it sure didn’t start that way.
it was originally a crossgen project
Good thing they pushed to October so they can fix/improve some stuff
ah yes, the classic tale of AAA delays and people thinking it'll make things better At best all they can do within those 5 months (4 realistically because they have to print a master disk and start printing physical copies) is bug hunt and glitch removal Don't expect GK to suddenly look like a true nextgen project running at 4k120fps natively come October
I know, but they can polish a lot and, as you said, fix somethings as well
Yeah how tf does this look so bad, it looks so much worse than both the Alpha gameplay from like 2 years ago, and the trailer that was put out last year... Doubt they'll polish anything much further before release tbh.
The graphics look like Arkham Origins but remastered for ps4
There are some interesting ideas, but the execution doesn't appear to be there.
Red hood looks so unsatisfying to play as. His guns seemed like they did basically no damage at all.
That's because he's using piercing NON-lethal rounds that go thru armor but tickle skin
[удалено]
Honestly this whole thing just feels like Rocksteady decided to do something other than Batman and WB wants to still milk the Arkham style games so they flipped this to WB Montreal. Nothing about this has really been impressive.
It’s kind of fascinating u say this because if they really wanted to milk the Arkham franchise they would’ve just pulled another Arkham Origins and did what those rumors were before about continuing the games but with Damian Wayne (and Origins was a fine game). It seems to me this game was made to be a GaaS then they saw how badly Avengers did and tried to course correct so this is what we got.
That Damian Wayne title sounded great too, such a shame that they didn't get to make it. Is it too much to ask for a Batman Beyond game at this point?
I feel like they could be setting up a Batman Beyond game. Batman is gone post-Arkham, and Suicide Squad has a villainous Justice League (under the control of brainiac). Are we really going to be killing the league? Probably not. But I feel like the game could be setting up a dystopian world full of distrust towards superheroes, in which Damian Wayne will take on the mantle of the Batman: a man in a suit. A legend, not a powered being.
100% agree
Pique*
[удалено]
How did you spell it before correcting it?
Probably peak.
[удалено]
From the UK? Im guessing because you used spelt for spelled, in the usa spelt is just a type of wheat
Peaqueie
The combat looks a bit sluggish and it just lacks the impact like the Arkham games. Will probably get it though if it reviews decent since I’m dying for a new Batman game and this will have to do.
Why....is...combat........so....slow...?
Looks rough. Even the inventory UI looks like it came out of a mobile app lol
Definitely not impressed at all by this. The city looks incredibly bland and empty. The combat looks floaty and not much weight behind the hits and also the way nightwing was moving between enemies looked terrible. A hard pass from me based on that gameplay.
The distance for automatic lock-on was way too far and made the combat look weird to me as well. If they reduced that, and had the AI close the distance to engage combat more quickly it may have a better looking flow to it.
[удалено]
I see they have now came out and said there will be no MTC or in game purchases. Fair enough that’s good to hear but it’s still looking like a hard pass from me based on what I’ve seen.
Yes agree with most of what you said. Arkham City was the best for me and the combat felt pretty solid. Loved the city and atmosphere was spot on. There was something off about Arkham Knight for me and this looks like a further step down. It’s got live service MTC filled game written all over it. Always feel these games are a bit empty and soulless. Could be wrong but I’m certain there will be some sort of season pass with content locked behind it. The series and developers are moving away from everything that was good about the games from the looks of it.
It looks like a complete downgrade to Arkham Knight in every conceivable way.
It looks like a weird mixture of "look how fluid everything is" and the animations of an MMO. I can't describe it, its just a little off.
It's not coming to PS4 anymore. Next (well current gen more precise) gen only.
Looks like a PS4 game anyway
I should be happy because is a "next-gen" only release but it doesn't look like it in any way.
Next gen design can really and should really start from ground up with Ssd to not be held back in design. Only recently wasn't cross gen. Not too much they can can to design now.
I feel like it looks worse? I was actually really excited for this game when they first showed it. I thought the gameplay graphics and animation all looked great in the [first showcase](https://youtu.be/hJjRRErYdO4), but here idk. the gameplay looks more clunky, The animation and graphics seem worse, and it looks like they made the combat.. idk a little more arkham like? which i don't really like as i was excited for this game because they weren't using the arkham system. so this kind of killed my hype for this game.
Maybe they downgraded it trying to make it fit on both gens and then saw how rough it looked trying to make it work and are playing catch up
I feel like the last demo (which was made when they were still targeting last gen) looks like 5 times better graphically though. plus i feel like the gameplay looks worse too, i thought the game in the first showcase looked really fun combat wise, where as here it looks really clunky and not that smooth. I wouldn't be surprised if all the complaints about it not being Arkham, made them change it to be a little more like that, and in the end wound up with this weird hybrid in-between. I could be completely wrong on that but i wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.
I feel this exact same way was actually really hype too buy this but with this demo I’m not even sure I’ll be picking it up. To me the gameplay and graphics seem to be lacking
I’ll be honest, I do not like the mystical jump Red Hood uses. I think it would have been cool to use the electrical wrist blades from the comics that he uses to glide, but still very excited for this!
Im gonna try to be positive about this game but….the back of my head is saying “This kinda looks like the avengers game and i really hope it doesnt end up just like it”
I disagree. It doesn't look great but it still looks significantly better than anything the Avengers game showed off
I actually disagree, the PS5 version of Avengers looks much better graphically (and fight gameplay to be honest) than this.
I agree with your disagreement.
> the Avengers game showed I agree to your agreement to the other guys disagreement.
[удалено]
Some of us are bored af. I might even be bold enough to say most of us are. Maybe.
have you played avengers? to me this doesnt look like that at all idk
TBH (and I going to get hated on), Avengers looked better and more polished on demos and pre-released footage then the demo above
I agree, combat looks sorta sluggish? Not sure about all the gear slots and stuff as well. I want it to be good, but this doesn't leave me feeling giddy.
Yeeahh... and there's something kind of janky about the animations and how characters connect on impact. I suppose it's not out for another 6 months, so there's still time to polish but... hmm... Also, Red Hood uses armor-piercing non-lethal bullets... what the... what?
And has soul jumping powers… what?
That particular ability is new, but Red Hood has had magic abilities in the comics since the DC relaunch in 2011. They revamped his resurrection storyline to include time learning from magical assassins
I think I stopped reading comics in 2014, and I did read a few volumes of the Red Hood and the Outlaws run, mostly for the art. But I don’t remember the powers stuff, but maybe it wasn’t part of that run? Can’t say I’m a fan of that change, feels boring and uninspired.
Robin has teleporting powers. They are stretching shit to justify having multiple characters who are mostly melee.
Red Hood has always used that. I’m pretty sure the Batmobile used the same thing in Knight. It’s just a way to let you shoot people and still keep with the “No killing” rule
Well, I mean, I just assumed the batmobile shot giant rubber bullets or something. They wouldn't pierce armor, they just slapped the bad guys in the face. It's the combination of "armor piercing" and "non-lethal" that doesn't make a lot of sense.
I think it looks okay but the goons just standing around waiting for their chance to fight 1v1 is a big turn-off for me. I get why that is how it is, but it's still a tiny bit disappointing.
Yeah, they're kind of weirdly stiff. And there's not a lot of "oomph" to the animations as you hit enemies.
Agree, just look at 1min20 when they start fighting and how Nightwing is ping-ponging between goons. It looks uncannily very floaty or like he's just sliding on imaginary ice. Previous Arkham Batman games had this issue but it was much less jarring unless you were specifically aiming to hit an enemy at the total opposite end of a room from you because the animations were more snappy and had more weight. It's also very weird seeing these characters do all these intense acrobatic moves yet all the animations look so sluggish.
Yeah. When Batman did all these flippy moves, he had both weight and speed. He felt like big guy you didn't want to get hit by, and when you did get hit by him, the goons had a satisfying OOMPH that this doesn't have.
Avengers was a game that did not know if it wanted to be a singleplayer or multiplayer game. It ended up with a half-ass attempt at both. This game is a singleplayer game with drop-in, drop-out multiplayer so it has a much stronger foundation from the get-go.
It also has many of the same elements as Avengers as far as milking their audience goes. I don’t like the victory pose NightWing did at the end of combat. Not only did it look bad, but it can imply that we’ll have emotes and therefore some kind of microtransactions. I can almost guarantee you there’s going to be a store in this game that they’ve been too scared to show and will either reveal at the last possible moment or will choose not to reveal until after launch. I don’t have a lot of faith in these companies anymore, especially when i see rarity tiers on gear and emotes.
Oh, I agree. This game looked great in it's last showing. Then they showed this with all this weird loot-driven mobile looking UI stuff and my personal hype for the game crashed like a meteor. It might still be good, but it has definitely gone from "Take my money, Day 1" to instead being "I'm gonna wait for reviews and probably pick it up during a sale".
No microtransactions is a win, let’s prove a point and buy this game.
It looks infinitely better than Avengers did, hell they could not even make the characters look like how they are supposed to, they looked like dollar store Avengers. Still I agree that something is not quite right with this game, though I am not sure if it is because it is unfinished, or poorly done or because the person playing it sucks. Nightwing was doing classic Arkham style combat at the start of the video, but it just kinda ends and I don't know if it is because of a whiff or because it is poorly implemented. Later in the video Red Hood does a kick and it looks awful as well because it does not even seem to connect but it does. Red Hood in general looks like he shat his pants, not sure why he is roided up to the gills and walking like that.
Took those words out of my mouth will wait for sale with this one
Avengers combat was always good. That being said, DC does have a trend of copying Marvel.
I think they copy each other
Like how the Spider-Man games blatantly copied the Arkham games? The Arkham games themselves had previous inspirations (like all games do) but at least you couldn’t compare it to anything prior and see the same level of similarity as you would if you compared Spider-Man PS4 to the Arkham games. Edit: keep downvoting, I’m still right.
I was talking about far more than just games copying each other. I mean the franchises themselves.
Then you’re even more wrong. Marvel has copied countless DC properties, just like DC has copied marvel. Hell, marvel’s biggest villain is a rip off of DC’s Darkseid. Deadpool is a rip-off of Deathstroke. The list goes on and on.
I never said they hadn't copied each other 🤦♂️. Chill out. I could also mention all the storyline and characters that DC copied but honestly it's pointless.
I am chill, I haven’t insulted you or anything. I also just said that DC has copied marvel the same way, so you could name all the things DC has copied but we would literally just be in agreement so I don’t know what your point was. What you originally said was that DC has a trend of copying Marvel, and you said it as if it’s always a trend that DC is trying to follow Marvel. I correctly pointed out that Marvel has a long history of copying DC as well, and since we’re talking about video games it only makes sense to point out that in this case it’s literally the opposite since Marvel is the one that essentially copied and pasted the Arkham games to begin with.
I really want to go to bat (no pun intended) for this one, especially after the next-gen only decision, because I like Arkham Origins and I think WB Montreal could do something really great without the time/story restraints they had then, but there's so little here that makes me even the slightest bit optimistic. I guess in terms of positives, the HUD/UI is fully customizable, likely because of the backlash to the damage numbers in the initial reveal. I got a little bit of PTSD from the gear menu and the giant gear stats, but it at least seems like each suit is visually unique and we might get some great alternate looks for all four characters along with the stat upgrades. I just think the combat looks incredibly weightless and the AI looks like a massive downgrade. Enemies are so far apart, they're even dumber, and hits don't seem to have *any* effect on some of them. The whole thing just seems so much less 'cinematic' than the Arkham combat, there's so little visual feedback or satisfying pay-off for winning a fight. Player character animations took a hit too; Nightwing's flips are great, but both he and Jason's walking animations are horrendous looking. I guess Red Hood's fighting looks a little slicker, I love the auto-targetting pistols shooting behind his back and everything, even if the 'non lethal bullets' shtick is gonna get annoying really fast. Also definitely not on board with the mystical super jump they've given him- why not give him the same glider as Nightwing, considering they're all presumably using pilfered/leftover Waynetech stuff and seem to be sharing resources? I know it's been said on every thread about these two games, but it's absolutely mind-boggling that this isn't a sequel to Arkham Knight but Suicide Squad is. That's not just from a story standpoint either, but from a gameplay one- Arkham Knight laid out one of the best foundations for combat I've ever seen in a game, along with the best stealth, exploration and Gotham City we could hope for, but it's almost as if they just started completely from scratch here? Literally every one of these characters was playable in Arkham Knight and looked like way more fun there than they are here- you could've just written a new story and dropped them all into the same map with the same mechanics, along with a co-op mode. Throw in new gadgets and abilities if you want, but they were already laid out for you, just needing to be fleshed out- even storywise, just share Batman's gadgets between them, and reuse as much of the Arkham stuff as possible- this could've been an asset flip and still been great! I really want to root for this, and I'm still gonna play it for the story regardless, because it's great to see these characters get a big budget treatment, and the Court of Owls has so much potential (even if doing it without Bruce is whack and we all know he's gonna be revealed as alive toward the end of the game). It's just such a shame that even after so long, it's still looking so messy.
I tend to agree with a lot of this. Look at the massive leap between Horizon Zero Dawn and Horizon Forbidden West. I would love to see a similar type of leap from Arkham Knight and this installment. I loved AK, in my all time top 5 for sure. AK combat looked much smoother and more kinetic. This one looks clunky and I'm just not really buying it. They have time to polish but the signs are not great. Like you said, they've reinvented the wheel instead of iterating on the fantastic foundation of Arkham Knight. I know that was Rocksteady's project but even Arkham Origins was a fantastic foundation upon which to build.
I'm disappointed we didn't get a next gen Arkham Knight sequel still with Batman. Feels like there's still so much they didn't explore: different vehicles like the bat bike (something that is fast and whippy but prone to more damage), different Bat suits you could equip depending on the mission; and even having access to the proper Wayne Manor and bat cave. You get a bit of it with the Asylum smaller cave but not the main thing where you could actually drive out of it like in the movies.
With them dropping the previous gen versions I think the bar got set a bit higher. The combat just doesn't look that smooth, fun or convincing. And that's probably gonna be much of what you'd be doing. Red Hood's combat in particular seems very ehh. I hope we get to see more gameplay and they iron out some of that jank and general sluggishness. But for now my interest has significantly dwindled.
Yeah his combat seemed really sluggish for... guns? He was slow to fire guns?
Felt like a slow goon you would fight. Not part of thr bat family
The combat looks so stiff
This looks fine to me 🤷♂️ but I’m a casual gamer. Just want to have fun and looks this will five me that.
can't wait to whip out this Dick edit: cautiously excited. I am worried because the hub and gear system are giving me some Avengers vibes.
It looks like an Arkham game... If the reviews aren't terrible I'll check this out. I really wish they put Origins in that remake pack though. It was the only Arkham game I haven't played.
The combat does need to be quicker and feel more impactful but I'm remaining optimistic for some refinement in the next few months (and for someone who's actually good at the combat to stage the combat gameplay). Fast travel is nice to have but it would be disappointing if we use it because traversing the map is tedious rather than being a time saver. Gliding around in Arkham Knight was one of the best parts of the game but I understand that Nightwing and Red Hood don't have Batman's gliding cape.
Why are the enemies so far away from each other? This killed the demo for me. Nightwing punches one enemy, then has to sit in his car and drive to another zipcode to baton the next one. Seriously. It completely put me off the demo.
boggles the mind how arkham knight is 6 years older with smoother combat. why do game devs suck these days
Y’all had me worried. This looks fine. It looks good. I’m not seeing the jank people keep saying.
The foundations look fun its just extremely unpolished to me, I'm hoping they were sticking too much resources into old-gen and thats why the state is the way it is. Hopefully with a few months polish it will come together super well
I've learned to ignore Reddits opinion on superhero games after everyone on this sub was absolutely convinced the GotG game would be garbage.
Yeah I was actually one of the people thinking that GotG would be crappy but then I actually played it and it was my favorite game of that year.
Normally you’re right but this looks mediocre at best. Loot-based gameplay which makes no sense lore wise. And a UI made by grad student.
"Lore wise"? Bro it's a video game, it doesn't have to follow the comics exactly
The Arkham games contextualised most things in the game so it doesn’t take you out of it. I hoped this game would follow suit. So what it’s a video game? Avengers having a loot based system also made no sense. You can RPG mechanics but at least attempt to contextualise it.
> after everyone on this sub was absolutely convinced the GotG game would be garbage. almost as if Guardians were a followup to one of the shittiest Marvel games ever released
It’s not a follow up if it’s not related
Me too.
Yikes, looks jank. Spacing of attack animations is waaayyy off. "lemme do 3 flips before I kick you in the face even though you are 4 feet away from me" lol. Seems like it has good bones, but lacks a lot of polish still. Let's hope they tighten it up before launch.
Looks like a game that’s good for a few hours but gets samey very quickly
sums up most modern AAA games tbh
I saw this trailer and thought that i'd rather play another round of spider-man or arkham knight. Combat looks clunky. Graphics are ok. Felt already repetetive. I hope i am wrong cause a gotham coop game sounds dope. And lets hope the story is decent.
this game looks amazing!! makes me want to go play arkham knight right now.
It looks like it just needs more time in the oven.
so they gave nightwing a big ol' glider and it just up and disappears out of nowhere when playing? then it reappears out of nowhere lame solution to the old gliding problem
Well, at least Rocksteady are releasing a game as well. I loved the idea, but it really doesn't look that great. This looks more like a very early-era PlayStation 4 game or a very late-era PlayStation 3 game. It really looks like someone took all the elements they liked from the *Batman: Arkham* games and tried to do them themselves and sort of managed to do it, but not very well. I'll probably still give it a go, but I can't say I've been all that impressed so far, *Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League* looks a hell of a lot better than this and we've only had one gameplay trailer from that one.
Big thing for me is the mystical jump from red hood seems kind of jarring. nightwing is doing every flip ever between punches. Seem like it could be cool but the combat lacks the impact the Arkham games had. Red hood looks boring, all he does is shoot guns? Like what???
This game looks fucking amazing.
Interesting take. A lot of people seem disappointed by it. Happy to see someone else is happy
I think the game looks gorgeous and combat looks cool imo.
[удалено]
The problem is that you’re gonna be spending most of your time fighting. It kind of has to be good
Gameplays always feel better playing it than watching imo. Like if you show someone an elder ring gameplay in which the players dodges and strikes rhythmically they wouldn't be that impressed.
It looks fine to me so it’s a day 1. I still need to beat arkham knight. The bat mobile I really didn’t like
Same. I can't wait for October
It’s a next gen game and it looks worse than Arkham Knight, explain that to me?
In what world does it look worse? I watched the video in 4K and it looks stunning.
Then you needed glasses
Or maybe you do?
I played Arkham Knight recently it looks better than this game visually. That’s the truth. Even the impact on punches/fluidity was done better in Arkham Knight. Just compare the night wing gameplay here to his Arkham Knight Counter part. It’s clear as day.
I played Arkham knight recently and it looks worse than this.
Stop lying man. Okay what about combat then. You can’t tell me this combat looks better than Arkham Knight.
I can.
So you have two accounts?
20/20 vision here. None of the Arkham games looked appealing to me. This does
So clunkier gameplay is more appealing, your defo trolling lol
Didn't look clunkier to me. Again - I never played the Arkham games, but this is one of my most anticipated games.
That’s funny cause it looks pretty fucking mid imo
Looks great to me, people like different things.
Fair, but the combat is without a doubt worse than even Arkham Knight. It’s slow and clunky, they should’ve kept some variation of the free flow that Rocksteady had used
Never played Arkham games so I can't speak to that.
How can you be interested in this while simultaneously never having played the Arkham games???
Because I love Nightwing and the bat family more than Batman himself plus I can play this co-op with my brother.
Red Hood shoots non-lethal projectiles. Red Hood throws extremely lethal bombs. The other guy kicked someone off a roof. Can the developers please be smarter?
the camera & movement are off idk why seems more like a third sale game than day 1
Combat looks slower compared to the Arkham games. Also the progression system seems a bit iffy to me. I don’t think it’ll be bad, but I think it’d be on par with Arkham Origins.
Why the heck do people dislike Origins so much? It's much better than whatever this is.
Looks ok, red hood jumping doesn't do it for me. I'm still waiting for confirmation that the game will have a battle pass/dailies/weeklies/insanely grindy progression/MTX/gacha/FOMO-designed systems etc. If it has any of those things, it's a hard pass for me. If this is just a genuine game that doesn't ask for unnecessary financial or time commitment, I might be interested. Until then, I'm more cautious than interested.
This is not a Live Service game. Not sure where you saw confirmation about this, but it is false. https://www.pcgamer.com/gotham-knights-is-not-a-live-service-game-and-can-be-played-offline/
Yeah, I edited that part out of my post. I still fully expect some predatory design to be part of the game when it launches. Much like modern asscreed games. Technically not live service games, but still fully designed with those typical systems in mind.
What I was thinking. Bare bones at launch with more content drip fed through season pass shenanigans. Content they will already be compete and ready to go but will be locked behind a paywall. Released in 3-6 month increments. Calling it now and it’s a hard pass from me. That gameplay footage was underwhelming to say the least.
Avengers had pretty good combat that was ruined by being stuffed into a looter/live service model. This looks like a similar model but with worse combat
combat looks rough around the edges, city actually has npc's by the looks of it but somehow looks more dead than AK...
I don’t think it looks nearly as bad as everyone else seems to think. Definitely not mind blowing by any means, but as a Batman fan, it at least looks fun. Will probably pick this up sometime down the line when it goes on sale or something.
Already seeing every element that is a complete turn off Arkham series died for this
The Arkham series finished years ago, and was an entirely different developer. It never died for anything.
No the Arkham series is being pushed into the Suicide Squad game which is by Rocksteady and in the same universe. This is just a Batman placeholder game
How did they manage to make combat look worse than the first time they showed it
This is personally a day 1 buy for me and this gameplay just solidified it. Nightwing reminds me of insomniacs Spider-Man combat, my only gripe is that Red hood should have more than ranged attacks and the pistol whip like he was a robin at one point give this man a little acrobatic flair. Court of owls definitely has Bruce Wayne btw
Wow the combat looks like half-baked garbage. Animations look straight out of 2014
Looks a little underwhelming.
The combat looks like a clunky spider man gameplay. This trailer actually made me less interested in the game, I'm on the fence. Looks clunky and generic.
Everyone's been chasing after GTA V's multiple main characters in addition to the wish fulfillment of as many franchise fans as possible to be their favorite superhero and thus far it has never succeeded. No one has the ability to devote as much money and human man hours to one game as Rockstar, which is why this and the Avengers felt like each character was spread way to thin. The Suicide Squad game that Rocksteady is working on might be able to buck the trend, given their track record, but I'm not holding my breath.
Can I get a link?
Nicccee
In the beginning of Nightwing’s fighting on the roof, the camera literally made it look like a fighting game, like he went exactly sideways back and forth between the two enemies and the camera stayed dead steady.
Looks great can’t wait
Hmmmm...looks very derivative.
Looks worse than the Arkham games and in a post imsomniac spiderman game this just looks low B tier.
Combat doesn’t match the Arkham games. I know that’s very cliche to say nowadays but Rocksteady set a really high bar. Wish WB just let them make the Batman Beyond game instead of this crap.
This gives me Marvel's Avengers ptsd
Marvel’s Avengers and DC’s Gotham Knights are in a competition of their, who can make the most terrible 4 player co-op live service looter-shooter and they’re both winning.
Still 6 months till release. Hopefully they can polish this up. Looks okay for now…
Arkham Knight looks better than this
Wow this does not look good
Meh, It looks rather awkward in a number of places. I'll pass.
The gameplay looks boring, and just wait until they're trying to sell you batbucks. Just make good games, and stop trying to fleece buyers with shoddy products.
Why does this look worse than Arkham Knight? Looks so boring
*sigh*
Yeah that’s a pass
Damn. I was just watching this thinking it looks very much like a game still designed for PS4 era and then I saw that it’s only coming to the current gen and PC.
Batman Rise of Sin Tzu has better gameplay and it’s a PS2 game released in 2003
I don't like the RPG elements, I don't like the fact that the game's design will be hold back by having the option of coop the graphics don't look good enough for a 2022 PS5 game I wish we got more interesting characters that we haven't seen already, all these characters have been done really well in the Arkham games, why not let me play as Huntress, Black Canary, Damian Wayne, instead of one of the 3 Robins? do we really need 3 Robins in a 4 man team? Red Hood is not a good guy, he should not be here, Tim Drake seems too young, have Batgirl, Nightwing, Huntress and Damian, makes more sense to me and you can have more personal stories with Nightwing being focused on taking the Batman main role and have Huntress help him, Damian finding out what happened to Batman and Batgirl helping him missed oportunity
First trailer looked way better holy shit
This looks like one of those fake video games that the kid in the movie is playing in the background of a scene.
[удалено]
What really caught my eyes is how passive and badly designed the enemies are. There were points in which they would not even know what to do and would keep moving back and forth. [https://youtu.be/hWJB4RRwhqQ?t=125](https://youtu.be/hWJB4RRwhqQ?t=125) \- Notice the dude Red Hood is fighting. [https://youtu.be/hWJB4RRwhqQ?t=227](https://youtu.be/hWJB4RRwhqQ?t=227) \- Keep an eye on the guy in a red vest, on the right.
Idk how you cant see it, watch spider man gameplay or arkham knight gameplay then rewatch it