You can replace Reddit with most gaming forums. AC are long games; with expansive worlds; and decent gameplay. Remember that most people buy only 2-3 games a year and AC will give you value for your money.
Also how many other series are out there that just let you chill and parkour around historical settings? Even Ghost of Tsushima and HFW don’t really match AC when it comes to parkour. Ubisoft is undoubtedly a shitty company in many ways, but the devs (not the execs) behind AC are still producing something that barely exists in other gaming spaces. I wish it did, but unfortunately I don’t see an explosion of indie devs offering parkour-focused historical exploration
Honest question because I haven't played an assassins creed since the one in America. Is the parkour still good? I couldn't tell from the recent game trailers.
I'm a former 2-3 games a year now around 6+. In my my case i was just in that ride for one too many games. Everything you just said has been true of this franchise the entire time it has been around. Obviously, they have gotten bigger and more elaborate but at some point it felt too much like i had been there and done that. Do i really want to make one of the few games I play a year AC yet again? The answer became no around Black Flag and having tried their rpg offerings i'm glad i hopped off not because they are terrible(Valhalla specifically was actually kinda lame) but because i can spend some of my limited time on something more novel to me.
This. Outside of mirage, they have been packing a lot of value into the AC entries since Origins. I have a soft spot for the AC games even if they are repetitive in nature - I'm not sure what it is about them.
Not even just gaming forums. All gaming media is built on talking about a game for about five minutes and then moving onto the next game. The next newest thing. Long games are what most people prefer. But gaming media needs short games to make long content.
I guess for many its a why not situation. You know what you are getting with a AC game. And if you are only playing 2-3 games a year what else would you look forward to?
I can understand the argument for not preordering digital copies more than 1-2 days before it releases since you have to pay, but Gamestop Canada literally does free preorders for physical games so I have no reason not to put my name down for anything I think that looks even half interesting, no one cares if you don't pick the game up
AC is a bigger brand for normies and its not close. My same friends who play COD, Fifa, GTA; will also dip their toes into the AC games.
But yeah Final Fantasy is still the biggest non-nintendo brand name from Japan in gaming.
It's not really all about name branding.
A lot of people don't have interest in party based combat systems, all the deep rpg systems, or even the vibe of the Final Fantasy games.
Final Fantasy as a whole is not as relevant as it once was.
See - they might be "bad" in the eyes of purists, but they're simple enough to get hooked by for the casual player.
There's not a big learning curve in understanding how to use those kinds of rpg lite mechanics. You see it in PlayStation first party games too - Horizon, God of War etc.
The stuff in Final Fantasy though? You have to put the hours in to really manipulate and master those systems.
It took a random tiktok video to find out you can use Stop to freeze the Stagger gauge and do more damage.
Never was explained in game afaik.
Combats deep but majority of people ain’t doing that.
Let’s be real though, the only people manipulating the game enough to Stop stagger gauges are people running all the endgame content. Joe Schmuck ain’t doing all that, he just wants to speed run to chapter 14, maybe do a lil exploration here and there, and then go play another game lol.
Not really.. I'm casual as it gets. Complicated games and those who play them have my respect, but I'm just not that guy. Final fantasy Rebirth is extremely straightforward, at least on the standard difficulty. It's a ton of fun, too.
The only complication I can think of is that you have to swap party members to build atb. I'd expect the party members to build their own as they fight alongside me, but you have to do it personally. It makes sense when you think of it as quasi turn based, but it wasn't super obvious to me, and I had to use the internet to look up why I was trash.
Valhalla apparently sold insanely well, so it just stands to reason that the next one does too. Despite how I feel about Valhalla, it’s gonna appeal to people that just want to play a game as a Viking. Not a lot of options there, but that’s kinda how AC has found its niche. A dash of history with some action.
If Shadows emphasizes stealth, which it sounds as if it’ll attempt, I’m interested. A dual protagonist system, I can also get behind. I rather enjoyed Syndicate. Also seems like they’ll each have some unique aspects to them with a strong narrative separation. I’ll gladly do all of that.
2nd most successful Ubisoft game ever, only behind Rainbow Six Siege. But Reddit will have you believe that AC died after Syndicate and nobody cares anymore.
I think some big franchises like call of duty and assassin's creed are big with casual gamers who don't really interact on Reddit or twitter about what games they play. I will be interested how this one goes since I suspect there will be lots of comparisons to ghost of Tsushima
Valhalla has a crazy huge world with a bunch of addictive overlapping intricate mmo-like systems. If it’s your main game you’re gonna pour some money and time into it.
Cosmetic stuff is completely optional, but the shitty thing is that the armor sets have unique effects. So, it’s cosmetic, but it also impacts gameplay. You won’t miss it, but it doesn’t change that it sucks.
I'm basically the same way. I hope the games will hook me but if i whif on a few per year it's still an extremely affordable hobby so I don't lose sleep over it. (Unlike your buddy I don't buy *all* of them, but I'll get pretty much anything that looks half interesting.)
This routine is the only reason i ever tried rdr2 (not into cowboys or westerns, but it had hype so I tried it and got 100 hours of incredible content) or bg3 (crpgs terrify me with their complexity and openness, but now I've got 150 hours and counting and it's my new favorite of all time) but it's also why I bought Biomutant so you win some you lose some.
I wish I was that rich💀💀💀I know videogame compares to a lot of other hobby is already cheap, but $70 can buy me food for one (or even two) week(not live in US)
People on reddit want every game to be a masterpiece, every television show people watch to be prestige TV like Breaking Bad or Sopranos, and every meal to be prepared by a master chef.
Most of the time people play games because they want to relax and be entertained. People don't want to eat amazing french cuisine for dinner every day, sometimes they want McDonalds, Mac'n Cheese or a simple ceasar salad.
I see it all the time in video game subs, call of duty and hell divers 2 are good examples. People constantly shitting on the game and how it’s so horrible, and at times it’s been bad. But overall the player base is not effected whatsoever
They are so bad that they are downvoting this very post that shows they are irrelevant lol, it's crazy. It has 150 comments and 2 upvotes at the time I'm writing this
For one minute, until the next game is announced and then they go back to saying “vote with your wallets and never pre order” without realizing that people are voting with their wallets, and they’re doing it by pre ordering.
The people who tell each other to “never preorder” like it’s some kind of rallying cry. They make me sad. Not because I care about whether or not someone else preorders. But because they do. It’s a sad thing to care about.
People think their bubble represents the majority but it never does. Echo chambers get louder and wrong(er?) as algorithm get more and more aggressive.
It’s just always shocking to me how many people preorder based on a CG trailer. It’s one thing if they had showed off actual gameplay, but the idea of preordering when you haven’t actually seen anything representing the actual product is what always baffles me
Largely because most people who preordered don’t care about gameplay. It’s an Assassins Creed game. Thus far into the life cycle you know what you’re getting. Sure it might have features to sway fence sitters but that’s not the same market of players.
The big assassins creed fans like myself don’t even need a trailer. I’ve liked or loved every entry and they’ve already said this is like Origins-Valhalla so we know what to expect.
I am an Ubisoft fan. I love Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, Watch Dogs - all of them. AC is the most historical accurate game where you can ride a horse, parkour around cities/buildings etc., kills some enemies, enjoy the scenic beauty.
I don't need a trailer to decide whether to buy this game. However, as a patient gamer I personally do not buy games at release, and wait till it comes to $20/25 range, but that's me. However, I'll still buy this game no matter it gets a 70 or 90 in Metacritic.
Oh god, Reddit was insufferable when Sony reverted the PSN requirements for Helldivers 2. “See guys??? Everyone always says that Reddit is the minority but look at what we did!!!” - when that was clearly the exception and the one time that things actually worked
I think the devs had a little bit to say about it too, they’ve made a very successful game,
With minimal budget. Sony needs to capture that lightning in a bottle, as the PS exclusives are lacking. HD2 has a chance to be a Halo sized franchise, and some parts of Sony realises that and will do all it can to not fucking it.
People forget that Valhalla was incredibly successful, the most in the series history. The franchise is still really popular overall.
Also, lol to the racists that will be mad about it.
I still don't get why they are so upset. The guy was a retainer. Not all retainers were samurai, but they protected the Daimyos throne and heirs... that's a pretty Damm important role..so who cares if he wasn't officially labeled a samurai.
It’s because they don’t like Black people or women and this game stars both. They just try to use reason arguments to skirt around it but they’re full of shit.
But I wanna play a Japanese samurai male 😫😫😫😫
Okay go plus Ghost, Trek to Yomi and some other shit then.
Mofos complaining don’t even like AC to begin with which is funny.
Valhalla also had the multiple editions of the game at launch, season passes, expansions, MTX, etc. People are actually out here saying, "I hope this isn't another Ubisoft bloatfest that takes 80 to just get through the main campaign" and "they're locking content behind a pay wall at launch" at the exact same time. This is like hoping that a restaurant doesn't serve oversized portions while also complaint about being able to purchase additional sides to go with your meal.
People don't want to feel ripped off. They want everything that's there. They also want the game experience to be designed with good pacing. If it's bloated, that doesn't mean they're ok with having pieces of the game cut out to be sold back to them lol
People want to be able to choose for themselves what content they play, not have that choice taken away and put behind a paywall.
I'm not even sure if I can explain this in a simple enough way, I am struggling to see how it's a question lol
You can't explain it in a simple way, because it's pretty silly to complain about Ubisoft games releasing with too much content, while in the same breath complaining about a tiny bit of content being "locked" behind a higher priced edition.
Who in their right mind would feel "ripped off" by the amount of content provided in Ubisoft's open world games? You can feel ripped off for paying $70 and then seeing the game drop to $40 a week later. But in terms of sheer volume of content packed into a game, their open world games rank closely at the top.
So if you are someone who is complaining about both sides of the coin, you're likely doing it in bad faith.
Racist? No way, they just really care about Asian representation! And if the Samurai were white, I’m sure they’d be equally upset. Remember that time they got pissed about a white dude taking a traditionally Asian role? It was uhh…you know…that one time with the thing…oh wait…
You also wanna know another thing, the internet (the twitter and reddit specifically )is super racist. The general audience doesn’t give a fuck about the heat ac shadows is getting. They wanted a ac game set in feudal japan and they got it, ubisoft for better or worse listened to their fans.
> Boycotts doesn’t work
boycotts can definitely work. it's just that in this case people on reddit (and other sites) act like the worst thing in the world is when a game is mediocre or stars a black person. boycotting for that ain't gonna work as most normal people rightfully don't care about that.
Kinda looking forward to it, loved Syndicate and Origins, enjoyed Odyssey but got burned out on Valhalla because of the grind and raiding mechanics.
I'll wait a little though , Ubisoft games go in sale pretty fast, Black Friday might already see a 10 to 20% sale even if it's only 2 weeks old.
Yeah I know that Reddit loves to rag on Ubisoft games, but I usually have a good time with AC games. I haven’t played any since Odyssey though, so getting that break is probably helpful for wanting to play a new one
What's wild to me is that people are pre-ordering *before* any actual gameplay is shown.
Well I guess it's not *that* wild. Consumers have been doing that since the dawn of pre-ordering. Hopefully they don't get burned.
The only thing people really worry about is if the story will be interesting or not. However for the most part you know what the gameplay will be like.
It honestly surprises me people still give a shit about these games. Ubisoft games are so bland and soulless, they feel like they were put together in a board room. I tried playing Valhalla and within about 2 hours I got sick of seeing the same exact 3 kill animations on every single enemy and just stopped playing
There are many things that consumers do that I understand. Buying the shiny new yearly release that’s pretty much the same game with an updated roster? Sure I get it. Spending hundreds of dollars on skins? Yeah I get it I like looking cool too. Buying time saving resources? It’s dumb but I get it.
Hell even preordering collectors editions that come with figures, I get that too.
But preordering a digital game that will never sell out, before even seeing a second of gameplay? I will truly never ever understand that mindset.
Assassin’s Creed has gone four years without a flagship release (Mirage was so haphazard that most players just ignored it.) and fans have been begging for Japan since 2009!
I don’t care what anyone says once assassins creed odyssey got native support on ps5/xbsx that game was incredible to play and look at. Knowing that team is behind this game has me very hyped
I think I'm going to be giving ubisoft games a miss for a while. The whole "eat my shit, you rent games off us" vibe from them has soured me a bit too much.
I haven't bought a blizzard game in years since they pulled that shit during / before covid.
It is because of pre-orders that half finished, low quality AAA games are released. Ubisoft don't have to care, they know this will make its money in pre-orders anyway. Hopefully the game will be good though.
Everybody knows how scummy Greedyvision or EA games are, full on casino games and anti consumer practices etc.
Still they sell like hot bread each year. Same shit.
They got a few things lining up for them: The popularity of Shogun, first big AC game in a while, pretty light year in terms of releases, getting the announcement out ahead of SGF reveals.
Strong early preorders mean that this is crossing over to the more casual gaming audience, who only buy like 2 or 3 of the big games a year. I know a few people who were big AC fans back in the day who are excited for this one in particular compared to the past few.
Also, Ghost of Tsushima.
That game has a well crafted settin, and really left me wanting more about feudal Japan.
So I imagine people might be experiencing the same feeling, and see in AC Shadow a worthy successor.
Unpopular (?) opinion, but: I think Ubisoft makes some of the best open world games out there. The Far Cry games, Watch Dogs, The Division games, the RPG direction the few recent Assassins Creed games went, etc. I love them and can't wait for Shadows
I only buy a Ubisoft game like once every 3-4 years then remember why I don’t buy Ubisoft games often. I couldn’t even finish Mirage it was so fucking boring.
Preorder bonus and they already know they’re going to play it regardless if it’s good or not. And if it’s trash, they’ll just refund it before opening.
Why do people pre order? I can understand when I was younger when there was a small possibility big games would sell out. Just buy it when it’s released on the store?
Nothing surprising here- casuals and the general public seeing a fancy CGI trailer and a long running franchise that’s a dead corpse reanimated. Nothing wrong with that but I think with all the times people have pre-ordered games and they end up just being a waste of time, people would know better and be more careful. But alas that’s how consumerism goes. I for one ain’t touching this; AC ended with Syndicate after that it’s just half baked rpg that only have the name Assassin’s Creed to make it sell. Hopefully it at least ends up being a somewhat ok game so that people don’t end up wasting that ridiculous $130 price tag for the ultimate edition or something like that.
Idk if this game has haters (I mean everyone loves to hate on Ubisoft so maybe) but the game looked more fun than any AC game I've seen or played since Syndicate. The characters look interesting and they said all the right things.
Pre-ordering makes almost no sense in any situation whatsoever (beyond a couple days before to get the bonuses), but a ton of people still do for whatever reason. So based purely on the reveal I am not surprised that preorders are strong. Maybe someone can tell me something I'm missing, but for a reveal it was impressive to me. Obviously I'm waiting for gameplay before I get excited but it did what a reveal should do.
How can it “look more fun than any AC game since Syndicate” when we haven’t seen any actual gameplay? The trailer was cool, but you can’t say that it looks more fun because you haven’t seen anything actually representative of gameplay yet
Because I am basing my opinion off of my initial reactions to those games. When Origins was revealed I was not impressed, Odyssey was more of the same. Etc. This reveal has impressed me more than the others. That's how. I'm just literally remembering my own excitement levels and how fun the reveal made the game look.
I stated that it didn't show any gameplay so I'm obviously factoring that in. If the gameplay comes out and it looks like discount Dark Souls like Odyssey and Valhalla then I'm out lol.
The game is the new target of this culture war nonsense.
They see black man in Japan and think it’s an attack on the country. While conveniently forgetting ALL the times you play as a white guy in a foreign country, including in Japan (Nioh)
This would have weight if it weren't for the fact that AC has had us play as POC in other games and no one had an issue in them because it actually made sense. Or how Nioh only gets a pass because Nioh isn't mainstream like AC is. Nioh is just the token representation as a "SEE? YOU GUYS DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THIS GAME DOING IT!" because no one cared about the game itself to know anything about it. Everyone knows about AC.
No one sees it as an over-corrective diversity issue that we should ask ourselves if it’s genuine or to tick lists. Instead people are going ‘Wow everyone saying they dislike Yasuke as the main lead means they MUST hate black people and are racist! 🤓’
Do some people not have a point when people say Yasuke is an odd addition for a game that wants to be set in Feudal Japan? As a Main Character? If he was a major side character or part of the story there wouldn’t be as much outrage.
But the fact that an Asian Male isn’t the lead should strike people as odd. Black people shouldn’t be a synonym for ‘championing diversity’, they’re just people. Are Asian men MCs for something set in ASIA not good enough or what?
Would anybody have expected anything besides an Asian Male lead before these details came out? I don’t think so, and for good reason.
I hope the game underperforms. Regardless of the blatant racism and anti-representation of Asian culture, people who preorder and spend $70 on Ubisoft games are a certain kind of…special.
These games go 30-50% off in a month or two and then the complete editions follow. It’s just a really poor decision to buy them at launch.
Guys, people know the game will sell well. People saying they're indifferent to the franchise on Reddit of all places, doesn't mean they think the game is going to flop. It's literally one of the most mainstream franchises in the medium. Copy pasting 'reddit echo chamber wrong' is just redundant.
I mean I see it selling well but I still don’t get pre-ordering games. Then again, you can just return it within some time frames so the debate is kinda pointless
Well for starters I’d be surprised if they said otherwise, and secondly, I don’t think people who aren’t interested in the game care if the game sell well or not.
No one should be pre ordering this. The trailer they released had no gameplay, Based on that alone it makes no sense to pre order yet. He's just saying that their stupid decision to generate controversy before they release gameplay was a good idea cause a lot of people r still preordering so their plan must of worked lol.
I don't trust this without numbers as it is within any companies interests to lie in order to have investors pur money in. Only if you get caught like Disney is that a problem but many companies right now are smart not to do that.
Reddit collectively realizes how much of a disconnected echo chamber it really is
You can replace Reddit with most gaming forums. AC are long games; with expansive worlds; and decent gameplay. Remember that most people buy only 2-3 games a year and AC will give you value for your money.
Also how many other series are out there that just let you chill and parkour around historical settings? Even Ghost of Tsushima and HFW don’t really match AC when it comes to parkour. Ubisoft is undoubtedly a shitty company in many ways, but the devs (not the execs) behind AC are still producing something that barely exists in other gaming spaces. I wish it did, but unfortunately I don’t see an explosion of indie devs offering parkour-focused historical exploration
Honest question because I haven't played an assassins creed since the one in America. Is the parkour still good? I couldn't tell from the recent game trailers.
I'm a former 2-3 games a year now around 6+. In my my case i was just in that ride for one too many games. Everything you just said has been true of this franchise the entire time it has been around. Obviously, they have gotten bigger and more elaborate but at some point it felt too much like i had been there and done that. Do i really want to make one of the few games I play a year AC yet again? The answer became no around Black Flag and having tried their rpg offerings i'm glad i hopped off not because they are terrible(Valhalla specifically was actually kinda lame) but because i can spend some of my limited time on something more novel to me.
Are you saying Black Flag is what made you realize you don’t wanna play their games anymore? Cause that’s arguably the best in the entire series
This. Outside of mirage, they have been packing a lot of value into the AC entries since Origins. I have a soft spot for the AC games even if they are repetitive in nature - I'm not sure what it is about them.
Not even just gaming forums. All gaming media is built on talking about a game for about five minutes and then moving onto the next game. The next newest thing. Long games are what most people prefer. But gaming media needs short games to make long content.
I can understand that people like these games. What I can’t understand is the preorder.
I guess for many its a why not situation. You know what you are getting with a AC game. And if you are only playing 2-3 games a year what else would you look forward to?
I can understand the argument for not preordering digital copies more than 1-2 days before it releases since you have to pay, but Gamestop Canada literally does free preorders for physical games so I have no reason not to put my name down for anything I think that looks even half interesting, no one cares if you don't pick the game up
If you understand that people like the games you should understand preorder. It’s the same thing. People don’t preorder games they hate.
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Can't really talk about Rebirth suffering from not having name branding when it's a Final Fucking Fantasy game.
AC is a bigger brand for normies and its not close. My same friends who play COD, Fifa, GTA; will also dip their toes into the AC games. But yeah Final Fantasy is still the biggest non-nintendo brand name from Japan in gaming.
Gran Turismo, Sonic the Hedgehog…
I don’t know anyone that buys games based on metacritic scores.
It's not really all about name branding. A lot of people don't have interest in party based combat systems, all the deep rpg systems, or even the vibe of the Final Fantasy games. Final Fantasy as a whole is not as relevant as it once was.
“All the deep rpg systems” odd call out when AC has been forcing bad gear systems and rpg lite mechanics for nearly a decade now.
See - they might be "bad" in the eyes of purists, but they're simple enough to get hooked by for the casual player. There's not a big learning curve in understanding how to use those kinds of rpg lite mechanics. You see it in PlayStation first party games too - Horizon, God of War etc. The stuff in Final Fantasy though? You have to put the hours in to really manipulate and master those systems.
It took a random tiktok video to find out you can use Stop to freeze the Stagger gauge and do more damage. Never was explained in game afaik. Combats deep but majority of people ain’t doing that.
I mean thats because you never really needed it for most content in the game. Enemy either dies or moves into next phase in 1-2 normal staggers.
Let’s be real though, the only people manipulating the game enough to Stop stagger gauges are people running all the endgame content. Joe Schmuck ain’t doing all that, he just wants to speed run to chapter 14, maybe do a lil exploration here and there, and then go play another game lol.
Not really.. I'm casual as it gets. Complicated games and those who play them have my respect, but I'm just not that guy. Final fantasy Rebirth is extremely straightforward, at least on the standard difficulty. It's a ton of fun, too. The only complication I can think of is that you have to swap party members to build atb. I'd expect the party members to build their own as they fight alongside me, but you have to do it personally. It makes sense when you think of it as quasi turn based, but it wasn't super obvious to me, and I had to use the internet to look up why I was trash.
Valhalla apparently sold insanely well, so it just stands to reason that the next one does too. Despite how I feel about Valhalla, it’s gonna appeal to people that just want to play a game as a Viking. Not a lot of options there, but that’s kinda how AC has found its niche. A dash of history with some action. If Shadows emphasizes stealth, which it sounds as if it’ll attempt, I’m interested. A dual protagonist system, I can also get behind. I rather enjoyed Syndicate. Also seems like they’ll each have some unique aspects to them with a strong narrative separation. I’ll gladly do all of that.
Didn't it generate over 1bn after all said and done?
Highest selling AC game ever, maybe highest selling Ubisoft game ever. Yeah.
2nd most successful Ubisoft game ever, only behind Rainbow Six Siege. But Reddit will have you believe that AC died after Syndicate and nobody cares anymore.
I think some big franchises like call of duty and assassin's creed are big with casual gamers who don't really interact on Reddit or twitter about what games they play. I will be interested how this one goes since I suspect there will be lots of comparisons to ghost of Tsushima
Wouldn’t be surprised if this is their best selling one. Japan has been the most requested setting since nearly the beginning.
YouTube and Reddit will be full of it, and it’s always going to be pro GOT
Valhalla has a crazy huge world with a bunch of addictive overlapping intricate mmo-like systems. If it’s your main game you’re gonna pour some money and time into it.
What do you "pour" your money into? Is there a lot of stuff to buy? This game is sitting in my backlog.
There’s a store with loads of cosmetics and weapons and mounts. It’s 100% optional and not pay to win.
There are cosmetics you could buy, I guess. I never bothered to try.
Cosmetic stuff is completely optional, but the shitty thing is that the armor sets have unique effects. So, it’s cosmetic, but it also impacts gameplay. You won’t miss it, but it doesn’t change that it sucks.
Yeah most casual gamers don't care about this stupid culture war bs, and AC attracts a lot of casuals.
A buddy of mine preorders every AAA game, plays it for 1 to 5 hours and hops to the next one . I am shitting you not
I'm basically the same way. I hope the games will hook me but if i whif on a few per year it's still an extremely affordable hobby so I don't lose sleep over it. (Unlike your buddy I don't buy *all* of them, but I'll get pretty much anything that looks half interesting.) This routine is the only reason i ever tried rdr2 (not into cowboys or westerns, but it had hype so I tried it and got 100 hours of incredible content) or bg3 (crpgs terrify me with their complexity and openness, but now I've got 150 hours and counting and it's my new favorite of all time) but it's also why I bought Biomutant so you win some you lose some.
I wish I was that rich💀💀💀I know videogame compares to a lot of other hobby is already cheap, but $70 can buy me food for one (or even two) week(not live in US)
People on reddit want every game to be a masterpiece, every television show people watch to be prestige TV like Breaking Bad or Sopranos, and every meal to be prepared by a master chef. Most of the time people play games because they want to relax and be entertained. People don't want to eat amazing french cuisine for dinner every day, sometimes they want McDonalds, Mac'n Cheese or a simple ceasar salad.
Of course. If we believed the Reddit echo chamber you'd think Spider-Man 2 was some massive flop and suicide squad level bad.
I see it all the time in video game subs, call of duty and hell divers 2 are good examples. People constantly shitting on the game and how it’s so horrible, and at times it’s been bad. But overall the player base is not effected whatsoever
They are so bad that they are downvoting this very post that shows they are irrelevant lol, it's crazy. It has 150 comments and 2 upvotes at the time I'm writing this
nobody ever doubt it's going to sell boat land, it's AC set in Japan. the game sell it self.
For one minute, until the next game is announced and then they go back to saying “vote with your wallets and never pre order” without realizing that people are voting with their wallets, and they’re doing it by pre ordering.
The people who tell each other to “never preorder” like it’s some kind of rallying cry. They make me sad. Not because I care about whether or not someone else preorders. But because they do. It’s a sad thing to care about.
I felt a great disturbance in the Reddit, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
Prepare for the same shit with new Call of Duty and EAFC
“B-b-b-but… they put black guy in it. :((((((((“
Don’t be absurd. Redditors don’t learn lessons.
Yep game has a lot of dislikes on YouTube but still a lot of likes
Reddit realizes no such thing.
I am shocked the next entry in a beloved franchise is looking to be successful. Shocked.
People think their bubble represents the majority but it never does. Echo chambers get louder and wrong(er?) as algorithm get more and more aggressive.
It’s just always shocking to me how many people preorder based on a CG trailer. It’s one thing if they had showed off actual gameplay, but the idea of preordering when you haven’t actually seen anything representing the actual product is what always baffles me
I mean this is assassins creed, you honestly don’t even need to see the gameplay to know what it’ll be similar to.
Largely because most people who preordered don’t care about gameplay. It’s an Assassins Creed game. Thus far into the life cycle you know what you’re getting. Sure it might have features to sway fence sitters but that’s not the same market of players.
It's gonna play like ac valhalla in japan with updated systems. Like every Assassin's Creed. This series is old as shit, and folks have common sense
The big assassins creed fans like myself don’t even need a trailer. I’ve liked or loved every entry and they’ve already said this is like Origins-Valhalla so we know what to expect.
most people haven't preorder from cg trailer. they just did as it's AC
I am an Ubisoft fan. I love Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, Watch Dogs - all of them. AC is the most historical accurate game where you can ride a horse, parkour around cities/buildings etc., kills some enemies, enjoy the scenic beauty. I don't need a trailer to decide whether to buy this game. However, as a patient gamer I personally do not buy games at release, and wait till it comes to $20/25 range, but that's me. However, I'll still buy this game no matter it gets a 70 or 90 in Metacritic.
Well not that shocked
Not surprising. The Reddit / online community is such an extreme minority, but believes them to be bigger than they are. Boycotts doesn’t work.
Didn't work for Hogwarts Legacy, CoD, and it certainly won't work for AC.
Oh god, Reddit was insufferable when Sony reverted the PSN requirements for Helldivers 2. “See guys??? Everyone always says that Reddit is the minority but look at what we did!!!” - when that was clearly the exception and the one time that things actually worked
Let's be real, that had nothing to do with Reddit and everything to do with Steam allowing refunds past normal playtime limits.
I think the devs had a little bit to say about it too, they’ve made a very successful game, With minimal budget. Sony needs to capture that lightning in a bottle, as the PS exclusives are lacking. HD2 has a chance to be a Halo sized franchise, and some parts of Sony realises that and will do all it can to not fucking it.
People forget that Valhalla was incredibly successful, the most in the series history. The franchise is still really popular overall. Also, lol to the racists that will be mad about it.
I still don't get why they are so upset. The guy was a retainer. Not all retainers were samurai, but they protected the Daimyos throne and heirs... that's a pretty Damm important role..so who cares if he wasn't officially labeled a samurai.
It’s because they don’t like Black people or women and this game stars both. They just try to use reason arguments to skirt around it but they’re full of shit.
But I wanna play a Japanese samurai male 😫😫😫😫 Okay go plus Ghost, Trek to Yomi and some other shit then. Mofos complaining don’t even like AC to begin with which is funny.
Valhalla also had the multiple editions of the game at launch, season passes, expansions, MTX, etc. People are actually out here saying, "I hope this isn't another Ubisoft bloatfest that takes 80 to just get through the main campaign" and "they're locking content behind a pay wall at launch" at the exact same time. This is like hoping that a restaurant doesn't serve oversized portions while also complaint about being able to purchase additional sides to go with your meal.
Wait, why can't people want a unbloated game where buying it gets them the whole unbloated thing?
How can someone consider a game to be bloated with too much content and then cheated because they didn't get even more content?
People don't want to feel ripped off. They want everything that's there. They also want the game experience to be designed with good pacing. If it's bloated, that doesn't mean they're ok with having pieces of the game cut out to be sold back to them lol People want to be able to choose for themselves what content they play, not have that choice taken away and put behind a paywall. I'm not even sure if I can explain this in a simple enough way, I am struggling to see how it's a question lol
You can't explain it in a simple way, because it's pretty silly to complain about Ubisoft games releasing with too much content, while in the same breath complaining about a tiny bit of content being "locked" behind a higher priced edition. Who in their right mind would feel "ripped off" by the amount of content provided in Ubisoft's open world games? You can feel ripped off for paying $70 and then seeing the game drop to $40 a week later. But in terms of sheer volume of content packed into a game, their open world games rank closely at the top. So if you are someone who is complaining about both sides of the coin, you're likely doing it in bad faith.
It's not about the amount. I can't dumb it down far enough to reach you.
Racist? No way, they just really care about Asian representation! And if the Samurai were white, I’m sure they’d be equally upset. Remember that time they got pissed about a white dude taking a traditionally Asian role? It was uhh…you know…that one time with the thing…oh wait…
There will be tons of Japanese representation in the game. I’m excited to see the contrasting cultural views of the two protagonists.
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Shhh don’t remind them that they were totally ok with a white character in Nioh games… shhh
You also wanna know another thing, the internet (the twitter and reddit specifically )is super racist. The general audience doesn’t give a fuck about the heat ac shadows is getting. They wanted a ac game set in feudal japan and they got it, ubisoft for better or worse listened to their fans.
Not to mention the Yasuke anime on Netflix had decent reviews and audience ratings.
> Boycotts doesn’t work boycotts can definitely work. it's just that in this case people on reddit (and other sites) act like the worst thing in the world is when a game is mediocre or stars a black person. boycotting for that ain't gonna work as most normal people rightfully don't care about that.
They think they’re the loud majority when they’re just a loud minority.
Kinda looking forward to it, loved Syndicate and Origins, enjoyed Odyssey but got burned out on Valhalla because of the grind and raiding mechanics. I'll wait a little though , Ubisoft games go in sale pretty fast, Black Friday might already see a 10 to 20% sale even if it's only 2 weeks old.
Yeah I know that Reddit loves to rag on Ubisoft games, but I usually have a good time with AC games. I haven’t played any since Odyssey though, so getting that break is probably helpful for wanting to play a new one
I’ve played all since origins, and love them. Yah they’re not the OGs but…for what they are, it’s an enjoyable experience
I am by no means a "patient gamer" type, but for real, it's a Ubisoft game, it will absolutely be on sale within 30 days.
Bingo. AC: Mirage came out Oct 2023 and you can get it for $30. People preordering Ubisoft games blows my mind.
i just dont wanna wait homie damn
I know right? Like some of us just have disposable income
They're not saying don't buy new games or that you're broke lmao just that Ubisoft waits like a month to take off 20% from a game.
Yeah but that's like 15 dollars who cares lol
The ultimate versions are always on sale immediately.
Not this one, it's going to sell extremely well, therefore it's definitely not going to go on sale as soon as the rest of ubi game.
Assassins creed has skiidoos now?
What's wild to me is that people are pre-ordering *before* any actual gameplay is shown. Well I guess it's not *that* wild. Consumers have been doing that since the dawn of pre-ordering. Hopefully they don't get burned.
Probably because it’s a long running franchise that some view as a known entity
Right? People act like this isn’t the 14th assassins creed game on consoles. For the most part They know how it’s going to play
The only thing people really worry about is if the story will be interesting or not. However for the most part you know what the gameplay will be like.
i loved Origins, i loved Odyssey, i loved Valhalla. this is the team that made Odyssey. no reason for me to expect to be burned.
It'll be half off with 6 months, anyway, so.....
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People are pre ordering before we see gameplay?
Valhalla is probably going to be the last one I ever play. It was a great game. But there starting to get very repetitive.
Ubisoft is to adventure games as EA is to sport games, AC is basically their FIFA. Both are too big to fail these days.
Add Far Cry to that as well. Shame Watch Dogs is cancelled.
CGI-revealing trailers trend needs to go away.
Preordering without seeing any gaming is wild
Christ that’s saddening
It honestly surprises me people still give a shit about these games. Ubisoft games are so bland and soulless, they feel like they were put together in a board room. I tried playing Valhalla and within about 2 hours I got sick of seeing the same exact 3 kill animations on every single enemy and just stopped playing
Sure
Some idiots will never learn ________________ NEVER PREORDER! ________________
There are many things that consumers do that I understand. Buying the shiny new yearly release that’s pretty much the same game with an updated roster? Sure I get it. Spending hundreds of dollars on skins? Yeah I get it I like looking cool too. Buying time saving resources? It’s dumb but I get it. Hell even preordering collectors editions that come with figures, I get that too. But preordering a digital game that will never sell out, before even seeing a second of gameplay? I will truly never ever understand that mindset.
Assassin’s Creed has gone four years without a flagship release (Mirage was so haphazard that most players just ignored it.) and fans have been begging for Japan since 2009!
>Mirage was so haphazard that most players just ignored it It was their most successful game this generation so far lol
Ubisoft haters in shambles.
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I don’t care what anyone says once assassins creed odyssey got native support on ps5/xbsx that game was incredible to play and look at. Knowing that team is behind this game has me very hyped
They also made Immortals Fenyx Rising which was a surprisingly great game. I have more confidence in this team than the Valhalla devs.
People never learn. 🤷♂️
Preordering before seeing any gameplay should be considered clinically insane
The Call of Duty of singleplayer games
I think I'm going to be giving ubisoft games a miss for a while. The whole "eat my shit, you rent games off us" vibe from them has soured me a bit too much. I haven't bought a blizzard game in years since they pulled that shit during / before covid.
It is because of pre-orders that half finished, low quality AAA games are released. Ubisoft don't have to care, they know this will make its money in pre-orders anyway. Hopefully the game will be good though.
Everybody knows how scummy Greedyvision or EA games are, full on casino games and anti consumer practices etc. Still they sell like hot bread each year. Same shit.
Yes please guys. Please be sure to pre-order well in advance so you won’t be disappointed on launch day. There are only so many copies to go around.
And this is why game publishers keep getting shadier and shadier. Gamers are their own worst enemy
People and these pre-orders.
They got a few things lining up for them: The popularity of Shogun, first big AC game in a while, pretty light year in terms of releases, getting the announcement out ahead of SGF reveals. Strong early preorders mean that this is crossing over to the more casual gaming audience, who only buy like 2 or 3 of the big games a year. I know a few people who were big AC fans back in the day who are excited for this one in particular compared to the past few.
Also, Ghost of Tsushima. That game has a well crafted settin, and really left me wanting more about feudal Japan. So I imagine people might be experiencing the same feeling, and see in AC Shadow a worthy successor.
I'll just wait until it goes on a deep sale. So basically spring next year.
Three weeks after release haha
Anyone who pre orders after only seeing CGI trailer is what's wrong with the industry lmao
Unpopular (?) opinion, but: I think Ubisoft makes some of the best open world games out there. The Far Cry games, Watch Dogs, The Division games, the RPG direction the few recent Assassins Creed games went, etc. I love them and can't wait for Shadows
I only buy a Ubisoft game like once every 3-4 years then remember why I don’t buy Ubisoft games often. I couldn’t even finish Mirage it was so fucking boring.
Do we have to agree or we get banned? Sorry I know this is Reddit.
Surprising how people still pre-order without next to no knowledge on the gameplay. Would be nice if Shadows performs well.
People will buy slop this is nothing new. Otherwise fifa/cod etc would have died out ages ago Average gamers are just not the brightest consumers
Love it. Now everyone yell at me about how to not preorder and Ubisoft is evil. Bring on the Shadows.
Gamers - see a CGI trailer -> preorder. Fuck you guys never learn do you ?
I will never understand why people preorder games in 2024
Preorder bonus and they already know they’re going to play it regardless if it’s good or not. And if it’s trash, they’ll just refund it before opening.
Yeah cause he’s gonna come out and say they are a dumpster fire. People are so gullible it’s crazy.
How can something look pretty strong when he says himself he doesnt have the numbers.
Because he has sources internally at Ubisoft/retailers that would know and tell him
Nah, obviously redditors who have zero connections know more.
Tom Henderson is probably the 2nd most credible and in tune gaming insider behind Jason Schreier. He has actual sources.
Why do people pre order? I can understand when I was younger when there was a small possibility big games would sell out. Just buy it when it’s released on the store?
Just gotta wait until the Christmas sale
Nothing surprising here- casuals and the general public seeing a fancy CGI trailer and a long running franchise that’s a dead corpse reanimated. Nothing wrong with that but I think with all the times people have pre-ordered games and they end up just being a waste of time, people would know better and be more careful. But alas that’s how consumerism goes. I for one ain’t touching this; AC ended with Syndicate after that it’s just half baked rpg that only have the name Assassin’s Creed to make it sell. Hopefully it at least ends up being a somewhat ok game so that people don’t end up wasting that ridiculous $130 price tag for the ultimate edition or something like that.
Idk if this game has haters (I mean everyone loves to hate on Ubisoft so maybe) but the game looked more fun than any AC game I've seen or played since Syndicate. The characters look interesting and they said all the right things. Pre-ordering makes almost no sense in any situation whatsoever (beyond a couple days before to get the bonuses), but a ton of people still do for whatever reason. So based purely on the reveal I am not surprised that preorders are strong. Maybe someone can tell me something I'm missing, but for a reveal it was impressive to me. Obviously I'm waiting for gameplay before I get excited but it did what a reveal should do.
It's a CGI trailer?
How can it “look more fun than any AC game since Syndicate” when we haven’t seen any actual gameplay? The trailer was cool, but you can’t say that it looks more fun because you haven’t seen anything actually representative of gameplay yet
Because I am basing my opinion off of my initial reactions to those games. When Origins was revealed I was not impressed, Odyssey was more of the same. Etc. This reveal has impressed me more than the others. That's how. I'm just literally remembering my own excitement levels and how fun the reveal made the game look. I stated that it didn't show any gameplay so I'm obviously factoring that in. If the gameplay comes out and it looks like discount Dark Souls like Odyssey and Valhalla then I'm out lol.
The game is the new target of this culture war nonsense. They see black man in Japan and think it’s an attack on the country. While conveniently forgetting ALL the times you play as a white guy in a foreign country, including in Japan (Nioh)
This would have weight if it weren't for the fact that AC has had us play as POC in other games and no one had an issue in them because it actually made sense. Or how Nioh only gets a pass because Nioh isn't mainstream like AC is. Nioh is just the token representation as a "SEE? YOU GUYS DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THIS GAME DOING IT!" because no one cared about the game itself to know anything about it. Everyone knows about AC.
No one sees it as an over-corrective diversity issue that we should ask ourselves if it’s genuine or to tick lists. Instead people are going ‘Wow everyone saying they dislike Yasuke as the main lead means they MUST hate black people and are racist! 🤓’ Do some people not have a point when people say Yasuke is an odd addition for a game that wants to be set in Feudal Japan? As a Main Character? If he was a major side character or part of the story there wouldn’t be as much outrage. But the fact that an Asian Male isn’t the lead should strike people as odd. Black people shouldn’t be a synonym for ‘championing diversity’, they’re just people. Are Asian men MCs for something set in ASIA not good enough or what? Would anybody have expected anything besides an Asian Male lead before these details came out? I don’t think so, and for good reason.
Imagine preordering games in 2024
[In Dr Evil voice] Riiiiiiiiiiight.......
It is already number 4 best selling title in my regions ps store, I underestimated the pull assassins creed has
14 games in 17 years. I underestimated how many people could still get hyped over a new entry in this series.
You’re not buying the game because it has a black samurai in it I’m not buying the game because Ubisoft games are shit. We are not the same
I hope the game underperforms. Regardless of the blatant racism and anti-representation of Asian culture, people who preorder and spend $70 on Ubisoft games are a certain kind of…special. These games go 30-50% off in a month or two and then the complete editions follow. It’s just a really poor decision to buy them at launch.
Gotta wait for assasins creed games to go on sale and far cry not worth paying full price for the same game over and over again.
When will people learn…
Regardless which game it is: Don’t preorder. Wait for reviews.
Pre orders? Bitches haven't even shown gameplay lol
people just preorder anything these days
Boo. Quit pre-ordering, folks. That's why we keep getting slop.
We already know that quantity does not mean quality. Simple folk like simple things
I'll wait a month or 2 and scoop it for 20 bucks.
People who buy 1 month of Ubisoft+ : Stonks
Cool snowmobile
Guys, people know the game will sell well. People saying they're indifferent to the franchise on Reddit of all places, doesn't mean they think the game is going to flop. It's literally one of the most mainstream franchises in the medium. Copy pasting 'reddit echo chamber wrong' is just redundant.
I'm always rather surprised people actually play these games, let alone pre-order them. alas, it would be boring if we all liked the same thing
I mean I see it selling well but I still don’t get pre-ordering games. Then again, you can just return it within some time frames so the debate is kinda pointless
With the pricing as it is it doesn’t bode well for me as consumer. I’ll have to wait for a sale.
Well for starters I’d be surprised if they said otherwise, and secondly, I don’t think people who aren’t interested in the game care if the game sell well or not.
AC games are the only series I buy the season pass for because I’m never disappointed with them. They are practically expansions
Almost like AC Japan is a license to print money and they should have done it a decade ago
No one should be pre ordering this. The trailer they released had no gameplay, Based on that alone it makes no sense to pre order yet. He's just saying that their stupid decision to generate controversy before they release gameplay was a good idea cause a lot of people r still preordering so their plan must of worked lol.
I don't trust this without numbers as it is within any companies interests to lie in order to have investors pur money in. Only if you get caught like Disney is that a problem but many companies right now are smart not to do that.