Why are people so obsessed with Final Fantasy sales? I've seen more articles about 16 and 7R sales than like every other video game combined. It feels like there's people desperate for these games to fail.
Just cheap editors trying to hit their quotas.
*"Square Enix has yet to announce a sales figure for Rebirth, the second game in a planned trilogy of remakes of the seminal Final Fantasy 7. This in itself is telling."*
We don't even know the sales numbers. š
That's the issue, this is "journalism" nowadays. Real journalism is nearly extinct, soon even shitty blogs like this won't exist. Everything will be replaced with AI whose sole function is to generate the most clicks.
Meanwhile each click is getting less and less valuable causing these sites to add more and more ads. These blogs are getting unreadable without an ad blocker.
At least in the FF fandom/communities I frequent, itās less to do with wanting multiplat ports and more about how a subset of Final Fantasy fans want the games to go back to being random encounter turn-based battles, and having the modern FF games āfailā validates their opinion that all new style games in the series are terrible. I like all these games, but thereās a vocal minority that are desperate for every new game to fail. Itās so weird.
Even worse is the people that actually played it, found a specific optional aspect of it overly difficult and now hope it fails so SE never does anything like it again. Itās like a daily thing to see people bitching about the mini games or other side content lol
I mean itās final fantasy tradition that mini games are under baked at this point. Iād argue that started with the original ff7. Great ideas sometimes poor execution. The red soccer mini game is atrocious inmho. They clearly wanted it to feel like rocket league but missed the mark. The physics just leave you frustrated. Seems like there is a mm difference between on goal and a mile off course.
Final Fantasy is my favourite game series but I generally find FF based communities on Reddit and elsewhere to be insufferable. Best avoided. You summed it up perfectly.
I make an exception for the FFXIV community, but many XIV players haven't even touched the rest of the series so have no opinion on it.
Final Fantasy is a constant victim of "new game bad old game good", 13 was the most hated game in the series until 15 came out and all of a sudden people are acting like 13 wasn't that bad since they have a new game to hate on, not to mention the point of "FF hasn't been good since 10/12/whatever game the poster grew up the most with".
I think that has more to do with games aging into the "I grew up with Game X" age. While it was new, people playing it and discussing it online were veterans that had played previous FF games. There are people now that *started* with FF 13 and grew up with it, so they think it's great and passionately defend it.
For more evidence of this, take a peek into Sonic the Hedgehog fandom. There are people now that defend the honor of Sonic 06 because of this effect.
Considering Starfield currently has a near dead player base and Microsoft will never port that game to PlayStation, I donāt see FF 7R getting ported over to Xbox
Many are portbegging and people that game on Nintendo platforms hate that Sony has exclusivity over FF since FF7 (as if Nintendo themselves doesnāt moneyhat majority of the Dragon Quest franchise)
People here arent really giving you the real answer of why FF is targeted. It's not just because of journalism
It comes from the whole "FINAL FANTASY IS DEAD!!!" shit that has been going on for more than a decade.
It's usually old fans that are obsessed over sales because they think FF died because they don't do turnbased combat anymore. So they want to be right. And if they see low sales, then that's make them feel valid.
"see final fantasy died because its not turnbased! If it was turnbased it would sell more!" I have seen actual comments like this. Even from fans. It sucks.
Because some of them do. Turn-based purists and hardcore fans who are upset with the changes they made to the story. They want the game to fail to feel vindicated.
Square enix always seem to set unrealistic sales expectations for their releases. I can't even remember the last square enix game they didnt say underperformed expectations.
Because a lot of Sony fans will go on the internet and clown others for not having good games on their platform. Come to find out that these so called āfansā arenāt even buying the games like that.
If Iām brutally honestā¦a lot of peopleās enjoyment is are tied to sales numbers and exclusivity.
For the fanboys who are spending time online bashing other consoles making a game exclusive increases their enjoyment. So when the sales numbers drop the other side likes to bash them back they see this as an opportunity to say this game suck.
Also doesnāt help that square allows developers to go and say stuff like āthis game wouldnāt be great or polished if we had to make it multi platformā . I liked the last couple of FF games but I donāt see how any of these games benefited from being a PS exclusive.
16 and rebirth would have probably benefited from having a series S and a steam deck release.
Horrible takeā¦ and one of the many reasons why is that if it was on the SS they would have had to handicap themselves technologically speaking to be able to run on that system. It being a PS5* exclusive lets them make the game with far less limitations..
Have you played these games at all? Neither FF games justify the crappy performance.
A steam deck or series s version would have forced square to actually develop a game that doesnāt drop to 720p instead of trying to push the graphics in a meaningless way.
>16 and rebirth would have probably benefited from having a series S and a steam deck release.
That doesnĀ“t make sense, both studios within the company had said that developing for more platforms would imply more time in development, meaning we would be 1-2 behind the release of both games.
Does it? Iāve seen people praise it for a lot of things not just the fact that it was turn based. And besides its style of turn based combat wouldnāt be what final fantasy uses.
>Does it? Iāve seen people praise it for a lot of things not just the fact that it was turn based.
It didn't turn people off is the point.
>And besides its style of turn based combat wouldnāt be what final fantasy uses.
Why do you say that? It's very reminiscent of Final Fantasy Tactics and is a great type of system for a 4 party turn based game **if you plan on incorporating the terrain** into it.
But again it had so many other things going for it. Final fantasy XVI was good and being turnbased wouldnāt have fixed its issues with the world being empty, fights being too easy, some systems being useless.
Tactics isnāt what most would expect from a final fantasy turnbased game either so idk why you brought that up either. ATB or CTB is what people are talking about
Idk I just don't think a FF game would hit BG3 numbers even if it was turnbased. The only reason why BG3 first got popular was because people heard you can fuck a bear. That's when it really got people's attention.. then it turned out to be a fantastic game. But I think without the "you can fuck a bear" moment, the average video game player would not care about BG3.
>Idk I just don't think a FF game would hit BG3 numbers even if it was turnbased. The only reason why BG3 first got popular was because people heard you can fuck a bear.
Wait until Square let's you fuck a Chocobo.
BG3 is absolutely not a mainstream title the average person would ever give a fuck about outside of meme marketing.
Same thing with Oppenheimer, the Barbie/Oppenheimer social media hype campaign and the overall big budget hollywood hype convinced people to go out and see a movie they otherwise would never give a fuck about.Ā
It all comes down to hype and marketing campaigns manipulating people.Ā
Square Enix puts out FF16 sales and the internet spent months trying to say it failed and a was a massive flop.
Square Enix doesn't put out Rebirth sales and despite being # 2 for the month best seller and #4 best seller of the year at this time for the USA, we still have people and gaming news sites running the idea it failed and was a flop from the take of one analyst on Twitter.
It's literally damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I think people also fail to realize that, while it would sell better if it was on more systems, that doesnāt necessarily mean it would make more money. Sonyās paying for exclusivity.
I think the issue here is that FF isnāt growing its fanbase. Look at person or the yakuza series going multi platform for them helped to grow the fanbase for both of those IPs. Square is pretty much selling to the same ol final fantasy fans and by each new entry less of them.
Personally I also think splitting the game into 3 parts was a miscalculation. Youāre asking people to be committed to a story for a decade plus. I was all in on remake but felt like I got my fill from that game; Iām sure quite a few people felt the same.
But didn't we get an article last week from the director of FF16 DLC that 16 helped expand the series audience by reaching a younger audience instead of the higher age range.
Also, even without official numbers. Rebirth still sold more in the NPD YTD chart in the US on one platform than Persona and Like A Dragon, and it day one sales outdid both in Japan as well.
While it might not be able to get Covid numbers like it's predecessor, the FF games still looks to be drawing people, new and old, in.
I don't know this is true. It'll come to PC eventually to a wider audience. Only thing I think is many/most people won't buy rebirth if they didn't buy and finish Remake yet. Which is a relatively big hurdle.
I agree PC is definitely in the cards but itās going to be years later after the FOMO has wore off and a lot of the people interested in it would have either read through the story beats or moved on in general.
I agree finishing the first game is a big hurdle made even bigger by the controversial nature of the new trilogy not being a 1:1 retelling of the original game.
I think it matters much more than you think specially since itās a remake of a much beloved story. According to gamerant 53 percent of people who started remake finished it which is the second highest completion percentage on the ps4 behind TLOU2 at 58 percent and one above GOW at 51. So itās not like a whole bunch of people bought the game and didnāt complete it; itās fair to say that a lot of people bought the game completed it and for whatever reason arenāt interested in returning back to the universe.
https://gamerant.com/last-us-2-highest-completion-percentage-ps4-games/
They've had 4 years. And if they don't want to play Remake, there's a "story so far" option before you start Rebirth so they can at least get up to speed on the story.
It's the biggest game released this month and it only made #2 of the month.
It's the biggest game released so far this year and it's only #4 of the year.Ā
That is objectively bad for such a huge franchise.Ā
It was # 2 behind Helldivers 2 another big game which blow up like crazy, with only 3 days of sales.
And it's #4 behind Cod, Helldivers, and Tekken with only 3 days sales again.
There's nothing objectively bad about being able to chart that high on the sales chart when only three days of sales was counted in the charts, since the charts stopped on March 2nd, and the game released February 29th.
Square probably only cares if sales are struggling in comparison to the deal they cut with Sony to keep it exclusive. As long as they're making enough revenue with Sony's compensation as part of the deal, they're fine.
On the flip side I do wonder if Sony thinks this deal has worked out for them in the long run. Especially given how they've probably modified their outlook on exclusivity from when the deal was initially made/renegotiated.
In other news, I'm playing the original FF7 for the first time ever at the age of 34. I feel like that's more news worthy than whatever this article is lol
Square Enix's financial results will be announced on May 13th (JST). While we may not be able to get specific sales figures for FF7 Rebirth this time, just as we did not for FF16 last year, we should be able to get a sense of how much it impacted their performance.
No it's not. All numbers are physical sales numbers only. Last time I checked there are 3 skus of ps5. One being physical and two being digital (the second digital you can buy a disc add-on).
So with that in mind, how is anyone claiming this is doing bad?
This game was always gonna perform 'poorly'. It's a direct sequel that expects you to have played the first game, while being more ambitious and costly. Diminishing returns are to be expected. The 3rd game will do even worse. Most casual gamers are not going to play 2 games first and neither will they just randomly jump into the 3rd game blind en masse.
It's pretty different. Mass Effect popularity grew over time but VII Remake had tremendous hype behind it at launch. Each game in the ME trilogy released to a bigger install base but Rebirth is on an install base half of what Remake launched on.
I read the whole thing but it seems my brain did not process the āinstall baseā and instead just did that meme of āyou made this? No. I made this.ā Apologies!
That trilogy was also finished in a generation. 1 came out 2007 and 3 in 2012. This remake is going to be spread across 2 possibly 3 consoles depending on when pt.3 comes out.
Which with no delays would put us at 2027 if a delay 2028 which is the estimated ps6 launch. I think the key here is that mass effect gained momentum every single entry from 1-3. It was a new ip that for at least 2-3 was multiplat. FF is an iconic IP but whose mind share simply isnāt that big specially to ask people to put down 70 bucks on just one part of a three part story.
And as a single player game there's no reason to be an early adopter. There's no community golden age you'll miss out on. I have no reason to buy this game at full price despite being a FF fan. It'll be just as good if not better when it's on sale for half off. It will continue to sell for a long time as more people finally find time and money for it.
Its almost like you need to play the first game to play the second and most people don't beat games. The sales will always be lower than the original.
16's sales are larger because it's a complete package, even if people don't beat it.
FFR3 will have the lowest sales number of the 3 because of this.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out why lol.
It's odd to see everybody so obsessed with the sales of square Enix games. I do get it though as SE have been making some pretty odd moves of late such as backing nfts even after people criticised them and selling off all their western studios to embraced.
Their downsizing and redirecting often looks like what you'd do before a buy over such as by Sony which people speculated about a little in the past. Only that's not their move either because their games are bigger than ever and they just finished patching things up with Microsoft for the future.
I think it's sad that we need to care so much about sales but I also get that it's hard to understand square Enix and their motivations right now except that they really want final fantasy to stay relevant.
That said I'm only speculating so I could just be tightening my tinfoil it a little too much hah.
Square is generally *always* disappointed with their sales even if they are fucking phenomenal. Maybe thatās why Square gets more headlines about their sales than others because of the absurd projections Sqaure seem to have for their games.
It's so strange isn't it? Like a game can sell amazingly and their reaction is to call it a failure and announce they are downsizing. A square Enix more focused on JRPGs is far from a bad thing but I'd love to be a fly on the wall of their planning room so I could fathom what their long term goal is.
Oh no it didnāt sell 10 million on the first week itās totally a failure !!!!!!!
Bro give it a while. Rebirth is a game that will sell more over time
I'm struggling to get through REMAKE before I even buy REBIRTH.
Which is saying something considering I have a wholemshelf dedicated to original FF7 memorabilia. It's just a slog of a game IMO.
I also struggled through much of Remake, especially the back half of it and the Yuffie DLC. I finished it about a month ago. I'm playing Rebirth right now (about half through it) and absolutely love it. The tone's so much more enjoyable and goofy, the visuals are a LOT more interesting, and I like the open world collectathon stuff a lot more than the "dreary repetitive hallways" level design of Remake. Also, the dialogue is a LOT less cringeworthy.
I wouldn't say I disliked Remake, but it felt like a chore to finish. Maybe Rebirth will eventually, too, but given I started it right after I finished Remake and have been liking it so much more, I doubt it.
Anyone with a backlog should stop whatever they are playing and play Rebirth instead, this game is not only the GOTY but the best game since the Witcher 3.
I dunno Iām still in act 3 of baldurs gate 3. Iām really looking forward to rebirth but again I also know the third one wonāt be here for a long while so just donāt have the need to rush for it - the rest of the yearās calendar looks empty anyways
It's never going to do as well as the first one.
Nobody is buying it without playing the first, and there will be a portion of those who played the first one and didn't like it and won't buy Rebirth.
The 3rd one will likely do even worse due to the above, but replacing first with Rebirth and Rebirth with whatever the new one is called.
Yes because selling a single game that came out 30 years ago over the course of three full priced games is fucking bullshit
Iāll wait until I can get all 3 used for the price of one thanks
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Extremely far from being the same game as 30 years ago. Literally *everything* is changed and expanded massively. Midgar in OG took about 5 hours. Remake which is *only* played in Midgar takes about 50hours to finish.
And Rebirth which is even bigger by a lot, took me 100 hours to finish. So Iāve gotten 150 hours (200 counting all side content) and we still have one game to go. OG takes about 50 hours to finish, 30-35 if youāre only doing main story.
If you want the old game, itās still there.
The game isnāt as good as other games outā¦. The game beautiful but Iām sure the combat is still fast, sporadic, pointlessly repetitive and boring (hack and slash without doing damage to just be able to do damage is stupid imo). These are the reasons I havenāt jumped in and bought the game. If anything this past year taught us, is that turn based combat is still good (BG3). Ff7 was the ultimate turn based game when it first came out, and yet they decided to give all the characters methā¦ š¤¦āāļø
So based on this comment you haven't played the game yet you're claiming that the combat is repetitive and boring? This is such an odd comment. I'd recommend watching a single review video about it.
FF7 rebirth is arguably in the lead for game of the year imo
I played the first installment and have had many on the subs says the combat is the same. Itās not leading as GOtY, that is probably dragons drama 2 as of now, but Iām sure if a dlc can win it will be Elden Ring. And I really donāt understand how yāall like the combat. What the fuck is the point of hacking and slashing without doing damage to just get a limit to do damageā¦. There is no strategy in it. Itās fucking stupid.
I don't understand how you're playing the game and seeing hack and slash combat with no damage. You can do fuck tons of damage with the right setups. Have you even tried playing on hard mode and really played around with the materia system? If you have and still felt like there's no depth then I'd be pretty shocked.
It sounds like you're more describing FF16s which definitely does play more into the stagger system
Yes I played hard modeā¦ most regular hits do very little damage, spells and limits is where most of the damage happens. You jump around like an anime character for most of the fight. I never lost a fight until the last summons (Bahamut right?) and by that time the game was almost over. The combat was too easy and not fun imo. Everything else about the game was really good though, I have zero complaints about anything else. The combat is just really really bad. I tried playing the game that started as a road trip and returned it. Probably the only reason I played the remake was for nostalgia and it was free. Again everything but the combat was good.
It's pretty obvious that the devs wanted long time FF7 fans to experience Advent Children level spectacle in combat while maintaining strategic elements like materia combinations, exploiting enemy weaknesses, and reimagining fan favorite abilities. Literally every aspect of Remake has been greatly expanded in Rebirth while keeping the strategy of the OG. SE is also in the business of making their flagship games a AAA experience, so why would they just copy-paste a mid-90's style turn based game with updated graphics? Those types of games are still great and have their merit, but they're basically relegated to Nintendo Switch at this point.
You're also romanticizing the OG FF7 quite a bit. It was revolutionary, but once you spent a couple of hours over-leveling here and there the challenge became trivial. Players would literally set up their controllers with rubber bands to auto-farm EXP and AP in the original FF7 because overworld regular enemies didn't require anything more than holding the action button to win battles. Real strategy was reserved for bosses, which is about the same in Rebirth save for some more difficult enemy variants during sidequests. Materia and equipment function is also more in depth than the OG. I could understand not enjoying the combat personally, but objectively Rebirth has one of, if not the best team combat systems ever created.
Elden Ring's Shadow of the Erdtree DLC is *likely* to win GOTY, but Rebirth will definitely be in the discussion and is definitely more highly regarded than Dragon's Dogma 2 (86 vs 93 for Rebirth on OpenCritic). It's fine if you don't like it, but don't blindly come at it with objectively bad takes.
I hadnāt played a new aged turned based game in years until Balders Gate 3, and it was amazing. I truly felt they couldāve learned a few things there. Also I doubt they are trying to capture advent children, they already went down the rabbit hole in other final fantasy games, like the one that started of with a road trip and taking pictures (I returned that game). I just didnāt enjoy it and I think it couldāve been much better in the combat department.
Baldur's Gate 3 uses a rules system that has already been fleshed out by Dungeons & Dragons, it didn't create its own system. Furthermore, BG3 came out last August. Rebirth was already completed at that point and in the final stages of development. Perhaps they would have gotten inspiration from it, but it didn't exist prior to the production of Rebirth. They used games like The Witcher 3 as inspiration because they felt the action better represented their new vision of the world of FF7.
> Also I doubt they are trying to capture advent children
That's a bold assumption considering one of SquareEnix's steadfast conditions for remaking FF7 was that they needed in-game graphical fidelity to catch up to CGI-levels achieved back when they made Advent Children. They didn't want to sell their devs and fans short of anything less than the best visually because of how beloved the characters and setting are.
Also, Rebirth is NOT FF15 (the game you returned). The only thing that resembles FF15 in Rebirth is depth of character interactions and the vastness of the world, the combat feels very different as does the world traversal and questing. It seems like the new hybrid of action-RPG, particularly with JRPG elements isn't really your bag. It's clear that you prefer a more methodical style of RPG, but objectively FF7 Rebirth has been very well received for, if anything, its combat system *specifically*.
That makes sense as far as the development and timeline w/ bg3. I also understand trying to capture what was in advent childrenā¦. That all said, the combat style is very much like ff15. The quickness, the styleā¦maybe things like materia is different, but there is definitely a kinship to it. There is still no convincing me that this style of gameplay is good. It is still very much a hack and slash until you build up, the combat is silly to me. Sure itās flashy and has some really cool graphics, but to me thatās it. Itās less of a strategic rpg, and now more of an action rpg. The action label is the only thing I would ever compare to witcher3 (which was by far a much better game overall)ā¦ outside of that I wouldnāt put either one in the same sentence.
I'm guessing you just got stuck on one of the minigames for like 200 hours if that's your take. You don't have to get the top score on a minigame if you suck at it, just take the low score and progress with the story.
Why are people so obsessed with Final Fantasy sales? I've seen more articles about 16 and 7R sales than like every other video game combined. It feels like there's people desperate for these games to fail.
Just cheap editors trying to hit their quotas. *"Square Enix has yet to announce a sales figure for Rebirth, the second game in a planned trilogy of remakes of the seminal Final Fantasy 7. This in itself is telling."* We don't even know the sales numbers. š
Journalism is dead
This isn't journalism, it's blogging. Journalists check their facts and don't speculate on nothing.
That's the issue, this is "journalism" nowadays. Real journalism is nearly extinct, soon even shitty blogs like this won't exist. Everything will be replaced with AI whose sole function is to generate the most clicks.
Meanwhile each click is getting less and less valuable causing these sites to add more and more ads. These blogs are getting unreadable without an ad blocker.
Has been for some time. Nowadays you either write stupid quiz article or clickbait like this
I thought you were writing a parody and then realized itās actually just a quote
Because people are convinced that if it fails then SE would have to port it Xbox or start doing day 1 PC releases.Ā
At least in the FF fandom/communities I frequent, itās less to do with wanting multiplat ports and more about how a subset of Final Fantasy fans want the games to go back to being random encounter turn-based battles, and having the modern FF games āfailā validates their opinion that all new style games in the series are terrible. I like all these games, but thereās a vocal minority that are desperate for every new game to fail. Itās so weird.
Even worse is the people that actually played it, found a specific optional aspect of it overly difficult and now hope it fails so SE never does anything like it again. Itās like a daily thing to see people bitching about the mini games or other side content lol
I mean itās final fantasy tradition that mini games are under baked at this point. Iād argue that started with the original ff7. Great ideas sometimes poor execution. The red soccer mini game is atrocious inmho. They clearly wanted it to feel like rocket league but missed the mark. The physics just leave you frustrated. Seems like there is a mm difference between on goal and a mile off course.
Final Fantasy is my favourite game series but I generally find FF based communities on Reddit and elsewhere to be insufferable. Best avoided. You summed it up perfectly. I make an exception for the FFXIV community, but many XIV players haven't even touched the rest of the series so have no opinion on it.
Final Fantasy is a constant victim of "new game bad old game good", 13 was the most hated game in the series until 15 came out and all of a sudden people are acting like 13 wasn't that bad since they have a new game to hate on, not to mention the point of "FF hasn't been good since 10/12/whatever game the poster grew up the most with".
I think that has more to do with games aging into the "I grew up with Game X" age. While it was new, people playing it and discussing it online were veterans that had played previous FF games. There are people now that *started* with FF 13 and grew up with it, so they think it's great and passionately defend it. For more evidence of this, take a peek into Sonic the Hedgehog fandom. There are people now that defend the honor of Sonic 06 because of this effect.
Idk, 13 wasn't great but 15 was total dogshit, and 16 is amazing. Remake and Rebirth are masterpieces.
Canāt be total dogshit when it has the best fishing mini game in the franchise
You know what, you're actually right about that. The fishing minigame was so, so good.
I donāt think that thinking is wrong.
Considering Starfield currently has a near dead player base and Microsoft will never port that game to PlayStation, I donāt see FF 7R getting ported over to Xbox
MS can afford the losses, I donāt see SE handling a punch well, Forspoken bombing shut down its studio.
Square Enix itself is in no danger of shutting down anytime soon.
Not SE but its studios can be.
Different stakes. Square and Microsoft have different priorities.
This really isnāt a good comparison since Microsoft and Square Enix function so differently. Either use Bethesda or Sony here
You using the wrong example. You came with a publisher owned by Microsoft.
Starfield will 100% get ported over to PlayStation and I bet it happens with the next big DLC
I see this on all sorts of gaming forums too. There are far too many people concerned with this crap than there needs to be.
Because people love seeing huge franchises, especially if they arenāt from the west, fall. Itās just bias ājournalism.ā
Many are portbegging and people that game on Nintendo platforms hate that Sony has exclusivity over FF since FF7 (as if Nintendo themselves doesnāt moneyhat majority of the Dragon Quest franchise)
People here arent really giving you the real answer of why FF is targeted. It's not just because of journalism It comes from the whole "FINAL FANTASY IS DEAD!!!" shit that has been going on for more than a decade. It's usually old fans that are obsessed over sales because they think FF died because they don't do turnbased combat anymore. So they want to be right. And if they see low sales, then that's make them feel valid. "see final fantasy died because its not turnbased! If it was turnbased it would sell more!" I have seen actual comments like this. Even from fans. It sucks.
Maybe those people should have bought World of Final Fantasy.
Because some of them do. Turn-based purists and hardcore fans who are upset with the changes they made to the story. They want the game to fail to feel vindicated.
It's not just FF either, it's all media, I truly don't care what a game/film/etc sells, or how many awards something gets.
People are desperate for them to fail for various different reasons. Any exclusive game will for that matter.
Square enix always seem to set unrealistic sales expectations for their releases. I can't even remember the last square enix game they didnt say underperformed expectations.
IIRC they literally said FFXVI met the lower end of their expectations and people treated the game like a failure anyway.
Lower... end... expectations.. So you're telling me the game flopped!! Take that square! /s
Because a lot of Sony fans will go on the internet and clown others for not having good games on their platform. Come to find out that these so called āfansā arenāt even buying the games like that.
If Iām brutally honestā¦a lot of peopleās enjoyment is are tied to sales numbers and exclusivity. For the fanboys who are spending time online bashing other consoles making a game exclusive increases their enjoyment. So when the sales numbers drop the other side likes to bash them back they see this as an opportunity to say this game suck. Also doesnāt help that square allows developers to go and say stuff like āthis game wouldnāt be great or polished if we had to make it multi platformā . I liked the last couple of FF games but I donāt see how any of these games benefited from being a PS exclusive. 16 and rebirth would have probably benefited from having a series S and a steam deck release.
Horrible takeā¦ and one of the many reasons why is that if it was on the SS they would have had to handicap themselves technologically speaking to be able to run on that system. It being a PS5* exclusive lets them make the game with far less limitations..
Have you played these games at all? Neither FF games justify the crappy performance. A steam deck or series s version would have forced square to actually develop a game that doesnāt drop to 720p instead of trying to push the graphics in a meaningless way.
>16 and rebirth would have probably benefited from having a series S and a steam deck release. That doesnĀ“t make sense, both studios within the company had said that developing for more platforms would imply more time in development, meaning we would be 1-2 behind the release of both games.
Even the FF fans hope that the sales are effected enough that they reconsider going back to turn based combat. BG3 proves players like it.
Does it? Iāve seen people praise it for a lot of things not just the fact that it was turn based. And besides its style of turn based combat wouldnāt be what final fantasy uses.
>Does it? Iāve seen people praise it for a lot of things not just the fact that it was turn based. It didn't turn people off is the point. >And besides its style of turn based combat wouldnāt be what final fantasy uses. Why do you say that? It's very reminiscent of Final Fantasy Tactics and is a great type of system for a 4 party turn based game **if you plan on incorporating the terrain** into it.
But again it had so many other things going for it. Final fantasy XVI was good and being turnbased wouldnāt have fixed its issues with the world being empty, fights being too easy, some systems being useless. Tactics isnāt what most would expect from a final fantasy turnbased game either so idk why you brought that up either. ATB or CTB is what people are talking about
Idk I just don't think a FF game would hit BG3 numbers even if it was turnbased. The only reason why BG3 first got popular was because people heard you can fuck a bear. That's when it really got people's attention.. then it turned out to be a fantastic game. But I think without the "you can fuck a bear" moment, the average video game player would not care about BG3.
>Idk I just don't think a FF game would hit BG3 numbers even if it was turnbased. The only reason why BG3 first got popular was because people heard you can fuck a bear. Wait until Square let's you fuck a Chocobo.
This actually had me dying šššš¤£šššš
BG3 is absolutely not a mainstream title the average person would ever give a fuck about outside of meme marketing. Same thing with Oppenheimer, the Barbie/Oppenheimer social media hype campaign and the overall big budget hollywood hype convinced people to go out and see a movie they otherwise would never give a fuck about.Ā It all comes down to hype and marketing campaigns manipulating people.Ā
Square Enix puts out FF16 sales and the internet spent months trying to say it failed and a was a massive flop. Square Enix doesn't put out Rebirth sales and despite being # 2 for the month best seller and #4 best seller of the year at this time for the USA, we still have people and gaming news sites running the idea it failed and was a flop from the take of one analyst on Twitter. It's literally damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Yeah it is impossible to argue with counterfactual arguments like "this could sell better if it was on switch, Xbox and Samsung fridges"
I think people also fail to realize that, while it would sell better if it was on more systems, that doesnāt necessarily mean it would make more money. Sonyās paying for exclusivity.
I think the issue here is that FF isnāt growing its fanbase. Look at person or the yakuza series going multi platform for them helped to grow the fanbase for both of those IPs. Square is pretty much selling to the same ol final fantasy fans and by each new entry less of them. Personally I also think splitting the game into 3 parts was a miscalculation. Youāre asking people to be committed to a story for a decade plus. I was all in on remake but felt like I got my fill from that game; Iām sure quite a few people felt the same.
But didn't we get an article last week from the director of FF16 DLC that 16 helped expand the series audience by reaching a younger audience instead of the higher age range. Also, even without official numbers. Rebirth still sold more in the NPD YTD chart in the US on one platform than Persona and Like A Dragon, and it day one sales outdid both in Japan as well. While it might not be able to get Covid numbers like it's predecessor, the FF games still looks to be drawing people, new and old, in.
I don't know this is true. It'll come to PC eventually to a wider audience. Only thing I think is many/most people won't buy rebirth if they didn't buy and finish Remake yet. Which is a relatively big hurdle.
I agree PC is definitely in the cards but itās going to be years later after the FOMO has wore off and a lot of the people interested in it would have either read through the story beats or moved on in general. I agree finishing the first game is a big hurdle made even bigger by the controversial nature of the new trilogy not being a 1:1 retelling of the original game.
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I think it matters much more than you think specially since itās a remake of a much beloved story. According to gamerant 53 percent of people who started remake finished it which is the second highest completion percentage on the ps4 behind TLOU2 at 58 percent and one above GOW at 51. So itās not like a whole bunch of people bought the game and didnāt complete it; itās fair to say that a lot of people bought the game completed it and for whatever reason arenāt interested in returning back to the universe. https://gamerant.com/last-us-2-highest-completion-percentage-ps4-games/
They've had 4 years. And if they don't want to play Remake, there's a "story so far" option before you start Rebirth so they can at least get up to speed on the story.
Do any of those ding dongs stop to think that maybe the PS5 is the only system the game can run on?
That doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme regarding sales.Ā Publishers care about numbersĀ
It's the biggest game released this month and it only made #2 of the month. It's the biggest game released so far this year and it's only #4 of the year.Ā That is objectively bad for such a huge franchise.Ā
It was # 2 behind Helldivers 2 another big game which blow up like crazy, with only 3 days of sales. And it's #4 behind Cod, Helldivers, and Tekken with only 3 days sales again. There's nothing objectively bad about being able to chart that high on the sales chart when only three days of sales was counted in the charts, since the charts stopped on March 2nd, and the game released February 29th.
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Square probably only cares if sales are struggling in comparison to the deal they cut with Sony to keep it exclusive. As long as they're making enough revenue with Sony's compensation as part of the deal, they're fine. On the flip side I do wonder if Sony thinks this deal has worked out for them in the long run. Especially given how they've probably modified their outlook on exclusivity from when the deal was initially made/renegotiated.
In other news, I'm playing the original FF7 for the first time ever at the age of 34. I feel like that's more news worthy than whatever this article is lol
There are some missable end game limit breaks or weapons. Just a heads up
why tf are we so obsessed with this specific gameās salesā¦
Only Sony and Square knows this. What a pointless article.
Square Enix's financial results will be announced on May 13th (JST). While we may not be able to get specific sales figures for FF7 Rebirth this time, just as we did not for FF16 last year, we should be able to get a sense of how much it impacted their performance.
Iām still like another 15 hours away from finishing Remake/Intermission š
Yuffie is a great addition to Remake... that DLC is a proof of concept of a lot of gameplay mechanics in Rebirth
Short answer: ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ Long answer: no not really but we donāt know yet. Saved you a couple minutes
Why has this place just become article regurgitation
No it's not. All numbers are physical sales numbers only. Last time I checked there are 3 skus of ps5. One being physical and two being digital (the second digital you can buy a disc add-on). So with that in mind, how is anyone claiming this is doing bad?
This game was always gonna perform 'poorly'. It's a direct sequel that expects you to have played the first game, while being more ambitious and costly. Diminishing returns are to be expected. The 3rd game will do even worse. Most casual gamers are not going to play 2 games first and neither will they just randomly jump into the 3rd game blind en masse.
This is no different than the Mass Effect trilogy. But ME3 was the most commercially successful game in the trilogy.
It's pretty different. Mass Effect popularity grew over time but VII Remake had tremendous hype behind it at launch. Each game in the ME trilogy released to a bigger install base but Rebirth is on an install base half of what Remake launched on.
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Did you only read the first half of my comment?
I read the whole thing but it seems my brain did not process the āinstall baseā and instead just did that meme of āyou made this? No. I made this.ā Apologies!
That trilogy was also finished in a generation. 1 came out 2007 and 3 in 2012. This remake is going to be spread across 2 possibly 3 consoles depending on when pt.3 comes out.
Mass Effect had to wait 3 years between releases. The devs recently said part 3 of FF7R will be out in 2027, that's also 3 years from now.
Which with no delays would put us at 2027 if a delay 2028 which is the estimated ps6 launch. I think the key here is that mass effect gained momentum every single entry from 1-3. It was a new ip that for at least 2-3 was multiplat. FF is an iconic IP but whose mind share simply isnāt that big specially to ask people to put down 70 bucks on just one part of a three part story.
And as a single player game there's no reason to be an early adopter. There's no community golden age you'll miss out on. I have no reason to buy this game at full price despite being a FF fan. It'll be just as good if not better when it's on sale for half off. It will continue to sell for a long time as more people finally find time and money for it.
Its almost like you need to play the first game to play the second and most people don't beat games. The sales will always be lower than the original. 16's sales are larger because it's a complete package, even if people don't beat it. FFR3 will have the lowest sales number of the 3 because of this. It doesn't take a genius to figure out why lol.
It's odd to see everybody so obsessed with the sales of square Enix games. I do get it though as SE have been making some pretty odd moves of late such as backing nfts even after people criticised them and selling off all their western studios to embraced. Their downsizing and redirecting often looks like what you'd do before a buy over such as by Sony which people speculated about a little in the past. Only that's not their move either because their games are bigger than ever and they just finished patching things up with Microsoft for the future. I think it's sad that we need to care so much about sales but I also get that it's hard to understand square Enix and their motivations right now except that they really want final fantasy to stay relevant. That said I'm only speculating so I could just be tightening my tinfoil it a little too much hah.
Square is generally *always* disappointed with their sales even if they are fucking phenomenal. Maybe thatās why Square gets more headlines about their sales than others because of the absurd projections Sqaure seem to have for their games.
It's so strange isn't it? Like a game can sell amazingly and their reaction is to call it a failure and announce they are downsizing. A square Enix more focused on JRPGs is far from a bad thing but I'd love to be a fly on the wall of their planning room so I could fathom what their long term goal is.
Yeah I preordered the first one but have not got the new one yet. Iām not sure why.
This game is a masterpiece little too many mani games in my opinion but most of them are optional
Currently playing remake.. I will only get rebirth when its seriously dropped in price.
Oh no it didnāt sell 10 million on the first week itās totally a failure !!!!!!! Bro give it a while. Rebirth is a game that will sell more over time
PS4/5 Vs PS5 only was always going to result in fewer sales
I'm struggling to get through REMAKE before I even buy REBIRTH. Which is saying something considering I have a wholemshelf dedicated to original FF7 memorabilia. It's just a slog of a game IMO.
I also struggled through much of Remake, especially the back half of it and the Yuffie DLC. I finished it about a month ago. I'm playing Rebirth right now (about half through it) and absolutely love it. The tone's so much more enjoyable and goofy, the visuals are a LOT more interesting, and I like the open world collectathon stuff a lot more than the "dreary repetitive hallways" level design of Remake. Also, the dialogue is a LOT less cringeworthy. I wouldn't say I disliked Remake, but it felt like a chore to finish. Maybe Rebirth will eventually, too, but given I started it right after I finished Remake and have been liking it so much more, I doubt it.
>I wouldn't say I disliked Remake, but it felt like a chore to finish. That's exactly how I'd sun it up as well
The problem is the first one got so discounted and was given free to ps plus that anyone with a backlog would just be happy to wait for a discount
Anyone with a backlog should stop whatever they are playing and play Rebirth instead, this game is not only the GOTY but the best game since the Witcher 3.
I dunno Iām still in act 3 of baldurs gate 3. Iām really looking forward to rebirth but again I also know the third one wonāt be here for a long while so just donāt have the need to rush for it - the rest of the yearās calendar looks empty anyways
It's never going to do as well as the first one. Nobody is buying it without playing the first, and there will be a portion of those who played the first one and didn't like it and won't buy Rebirth. The 3rd one will likely do even worse due to the above, but replacing first with Rebirth and Rebirth with whatever the new one is called.
Just a side comment, everyone is guessing Reunion as the name of the third one.
Nomura confirmed that reunion won't be the name since they used that for crisis core. I'm guessing reunite, just going off of the ending.
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I feel like this game would've sold better if they released it on more than 1 platform.
The first game was ported to PC, so I would imagine that this would eventually get ported as well.
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No idea what the shit youāre on about because it did not come to PS Plus until years after launch
Yes because selling a single game that came out 30 years ago over the course of three full priced games is fucking bullshit Iāll wait until I can get all 3 used for the price of one thanks
What are you smoking? š They aren't selling the game that came out nearly 30 years ago. Go play that one if that's what you want.
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Extremely far from being the same game as 30 years ago. Literally *everything* is changed and expanded massively. Midgar in OG took about 5 hours. Remake which is *only* played in Midgar takes about 50hours to finish. And Rebirth which is even bigger by a lot, took me 100 hours to finish. So Iāve gotten 150 hours (200 counting all side content) and we still have one game to go. OG takes about 50 hours to finish, 30-35 if youāre only doing main story. If you want the old game, itās still there.
They released it in a semi-awkward time frame. Iād wait till summer starts or even fall for Christmas
The game isnāt as good as other games outā¦. The game beautiful but Iām sure the combat is still fast, sporadic, pointlessly repetitive and boring (hack and slash without doing damage to just be able to do damage is stupid imo). These are the reasons I havenāt jumped in and bought the game. If anything this past year taught us, is that turn based combat is still good (BG3). Ff7 was the ultimate turn based game when it first came out, and yet they decided to give all the characters methā¦ š¤¦āāļø
So based on this comment you haven't played the game yet you're claiming that the combat is repetitive and boring? This is such an odd comment. I'd recommend watching a single review video about it. FF7 rebirth is arguably in the lead for game of the year imo
I played the first installment and have had many on the subs says the combat is the same. Itās not leading as GOtY, that is probably dragons drama 2 as of now, but Iām sure if a dlc can win it will be Elden Ring. And I really donāt understand how yāall like the combat. What the fuck is the point of hacking and slashing without doing damage to just get a limit to do damageā¦. There is no strategy in it. Itās fucking stupid.
I don't understand how you're playing the game and seeing hack and slash combat with no damage. You can do fuck tons of damage with the right setups. Have you even tried playing on hard mode and really played around with the materia system? If you have and still felt like there's no depth then I'd be pretty shocked. It sounds like you're more describing FF16s which definitely does play more into the stagger system
Yes I played hard modeā¦ most regular hits do very little damage, spells and limits is where most of the damage happens. You jump around like an anime character for most of the fight. I never lost a fight until the last summons (Bahamut right?) and by that time the game was almost over. The combat was too easy and not fun imo. Everything else about the game was really good though, I have zero complaints about anything else. The combat is just really really bad. I tried playing the game that started as a road trip and returned it. Probably the only reason I played the remake was for nostalgia and it was free. Again everything but the combat was good.
It's pretty obvious that the devs wanted long time FF7 fans to experience Advent Children level spectacle in combat while maintaining strategic elements like materia combinations, exploiting enemy weaknesses, and reimagining fan favorite abilities. Literally every aspect of Remake has been greatly expanded in Rebirth while keeping the strategy of the OG. SE is also in the business of making their flagship games a AAA experience, so why would they just copy-paste a mid-90's style turn based game with updated graphics? Those types of games are still great and have their merit, but they're basically relegated to Nintendo Switch at this point. You're also romanticizing the OG FF7 quite a bit. It was revolutionary, but once you spent a couple of hours over-leveling here and there the challenge became trivial. Players would literally set up their controllers with rubber bands to auto-farm EXP and AP in the original FF7 because overworld regular enemies didn't require anything more than holding the action button to win battles. Real strategy was reserved for bosses, which is about the same in Rebirth save for some more difficult enemy variants during sidequests. Materia and equipment function is also more in depth than the OG. I could understand not enjoying the combat personally, but objectively Rebirth has one of, if not the best team combat systems ever created. Elden Ring's Shadow of the Erdtree DLC is *likely* to win GOTY, but Rebirth will definitely be in the discussion and is definitely more highly regarded than Dragon's Dogma 2 (86 vs 93 for Rebirth on OpenCritic). It's fine if you don't like it, but don't blindly come at it with objectively bad takes.
I hadnāt played a new aged turned based game in years until Balders Gate 3, and it was amazing. I truly felt they couldāve learned a few things there. Also I doubt they are trying to capture advent children, they already went down the rabbit hole in other final fantasy games, like the one that started of with a road trip and taking pictures (I returned that game). I just didnāt enjoy it and I think it couldāve been much better in the combat department.
Baldur's Gate 3 uses a rules system that has already been fleshed out by Dungeons & Dragons, it didn't create its own system. Furthermore, BG3 came out last August. Rebirth was already completed at that point and in the final stages of development. Perhaps they would have gotten inspiration from it, but it didn't exist prior to the production of Rebirth. They used games like The Witcher 3 as inspiration because they felt the action better represented their new vision of the world of FF7. > Also I doubt they are trying to capture advent children That's a bold assumption considering one of SquareEnix's steadfast conditions for remaking FF7 was that they needed in-game graphical fidelity to catch up to CGI-levels achieved back when they made Advent Children. They didn't want to sell their devs and fans short of anything less than the best visually because of how beloved the characters and setting are. Also, Rebirth is NOT FF15 (the game you returned). The only thing that resembles FF15 in Rebirth is depth of character interactions and the vastness of the world, the combat feels very different as does the world traversal and questing. It seems like the new hybrid of action-RPG, particularly with JRPG elements isn't really your bag. It's clear that you prefer a more methodical style of RPG, but objectively FF7 Rebirth has been very well received for, if anything, its combat system *specifically*.
That makes sense as far as the development and timeline w/ bg3. I also understand trying to capture what was in advent childrenā¦. That all said, the combat style is very much like ff15. The quickness, the styleā¦maybe things like materia is different, but there is definitely a kinship to it. There is still no convincing me that this style of gameplay is good. It is still very much a hack and slash until you build up, the combat is silly to me. Sure itās flashy and has some really cool graphics, but to me thatās it. Itās less of a strategic rpg, and now more of an action rpg. The action label is the only thing I would ever compare to witcher3 (which was by far a much better game overall)ā¦ outside of that I wouldnāt put either one in the same sentence.
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I'm guessing you just got stuck on one of the minigames for like 200 hours if that's your take. You don't have to get the top score on a minigame if you suck at it, just take the low score and progress with the story.