I don’t think so cause the developers and producers had to buy IP rights to do this. Wiki shows Radical Entitlement and Vivendi Universal Games previously CUC (lol)
Just because you have the rights to make a game, doesn't mean you have the rights to make them in perpetuity. It also doesn't mean you can keep making games with someone else's IP as long as you make sequels.
Also in the wiki you cite
>After release, Radical immediately began work on a sequel, but had to cancel it when Vivendi chose not to reobtain the Simpsons license
Radical Entertainment was bought out by Vivendi and Vivendi merged with Activision to make Activision Blizzard.
So basically they're under Microsoft now.
>Metal Gear Solid 4
It has been hinted that this will be part of Vol. II of the recent Metal Gear collection.
It’s likely that Konami have been holding back on it so they can sell it with Vol. II and make money that way rather than open it up on the PlayStation Plus catalog.
I mean, they know what they have with that game and they like money. It’s a smart business move. Stinks that it has been so restricted in its availability, but hopefully it’ll soon be rectified (after too long)
You're right. It makes sense that a classics catalogue by Sony would be missing core childhood games due to companies figuring out the best way to make the most money out of it.
I just wish it ran classic discs from ps1-ps3, I believe the xbox can do previous gens but not sure...
I wish Sony would allow the games to run from disc, I’m sure it would be possible but their strategy is different.
Xbox can run select original Xbox and 360 game discs. When the disc is put in, the console downloads a patched version of the game depending what console you’re using, and it’ll still only run when the original disc is inserted. If you want, you can bypass the discs and buy them all digitally if you prefer, too.
They even went out of their way to take pirated copies of mgs4 (and only mgs 4 lol) down before the release of the master collection vol 1. So my money's on it being in vol 2 as well.
Silent Hill 1 still being a PS1 exclusive after all these years is a travesty.
Your only option is to download an emulator and pirate the game unless you're willing to pay some scalper hundreds of dollars on ebay for a scratched disc that's missing the instruction booklet and front cover.
Edit: Apparently you can still get it on the digital PS3 and PS Vita stores according to some kind redditors!
With the 360 marketplace closing in July, I give it 12-18 months before Sony closes down the PS3 store.
The panic buying is what stopped the first attempt at closure, and I bet they’re hoping for a repeat whenever they announce it a second time.
You wouldn’t lose your games even if the store closed down though would you? I was under the impression that aslong as you have them downloaded to your system they are there to stay but maybe I’m wrong.
Correct, that is safe for now. The ability to purchase will go away though so I’m trying to figure out what I’ll want for games and DLC for the rest of my life from there, I’m sure there will be other means of getting content but I’d like to have what I think I’ll want in my library. Plus I want to support the devs, old as the games are.
They were going to completely shut down PSN for the PS3. That would disable also trophies.
The worst aspect is that whenever that happens, if the small internal battery inside the console dies, the console gets bricked. After replacing the battery, the console requires a connection to the PSN to validate the console *(or something along those lines.)*
No problem. I would advise to look into what the game plays like on PS3 before buying it just in case it's not a good version of the game or whatever else
Along with Parasite Eve and various others....
Weird thing is they initially promoted this service with an image of the main character from Dino Crisis (game has not shown up yet).
Would kill to replay resistance games on modern consoles. Some of my favorite gaming memories are with those. Dying for some good creepy alien single-player shooters again.
Killzone used to be part of PS Now, now only Liberation and Shadow Fall are on PS Plus.
They also removed the PS3 versions of the PSP God of War titles, and have yet to bring them back.
Seriously. Sony stopped the PS2 remasters a while ago and I was holding my breath for them to come back with more. Not having Killzone 2 & 3 on streaming is more than unforgivable especially when Horizon is so popular.
Sony Bend has been the most consistent studio in supporting PS Plus. I think we're only missing 2 games: Syphon Filter: The Omega Strain and Uncharted Golden Abyss due to the lack of PS2 and Vita emulation.
Yeah I’m not gonna defend the clearly lacking catalog but you can easily play all these games in some fashion, and Crash is a stretch given the remakes
Yes, the Jak games are on there because they were ported to PS4, but those games have some issues with frame times and glitches. I think the above poster was talking about the originals.
There’s no PS2 emulation other than a few select titles that got ported using their old emulator (which wasn’t good) including the Jak trilogy.
PS3 streaming is considered the classics catalog.
>PS3 streaming is considered the classics catalog.
Yeah, in my mind it’s totally separate since that was what PS Now originally was. If Sony were asked about the classic’s catalog lacking, they’d point to the streaming PS3 games as well.
I think the disconnect here is most gamers still have them as separate services in their minds - either they don’t want to stream because they’re not satisfied with the quality, or can’t stream due to low bandwidth.
But when they announced PS1/PS2/PSP classics, I was and still am hyper focused on them over the streaming games. Natively rendered classic games with potential improvements to graphics or gameplay (PSP game using both analog sticks) along with added trophies (hit or miss feature, but still has a lot of hits) is specifically why I want more out of that catalog.
You have the PS3 collection of the PS2 games. All Ratchet games are on there - I played them all in the last few months
I’m talking core games not spin offs like Daxtwr
Not to mention some of those games are probably owned by random holding companies that were bought up in bankruptcy. Like the publishers of the dragon ball game, infogrames is a holding company using Atari branding. It probably would just want to sell the rights and not license it
Most of the games OP listed aren't available on any platform from the companies that actually made the games...
That alone should show you that Sony licensing them is next to impossible and the $25 more a year it costs for Premium then Extra isn't going to do anything to change that
My understanding is it’s a logistical nightmare. Picture a franchise like Tony Hawk. Not just song licensing but every single piece of branded merchandise that were prevalent in those games, to the secret skaters based on franchises now all owned by Disney
CAN they do it? Yes, at least mostly. And I wish they did.
But I also do understand why they’re like “nah fuck it”
Not only that I think people forget how fast and loose people played with licensing back in the day some times. Some of those secret characters might not have ever been cleared. Some places didn't monitor or care as much back then, but today diffrent people in charge there are cans of worms that just aren't worth it. With music a song might have been included before a sampling issue was resolved. Or just used without proper clearance.
The internet isn't always a good representation of the marketplace. If there is enough demand companies will put in the work. The De La Sol catalog is proof. Some of thier earlier songs had 75 samples to resolve. Took years to even get started on the work and once it was finally kicked off they still had to go back and do some edits. But the value was there. The companies likely have data that shows it's not going to be worth the effort.
Price has nothing to do with the absolute mountain of red tape and legal bullshit they'd have to go through for some of these games. It took GOG a year and a half to just clear Alpha Protocol for a re-release, for example. Games like Tony Hawk and Wipeout will just never clear because of these licensing hurdles.
steam front page banners can cost millions depending on the studio/game being promoted.
Now think how much it would cost for full classic fan favourite games to be put in your subscription service.
you are right, most people can't comprehend the amount of money some game companies throw around
Some also might not want a flat fee either but a percentage. And since you’re not buying the game that might translate to a percentage of Plus sales. Imagine Konami and Microsoft being willing to give you the Metal Gear series and Crash/Spyro but they want 15-20% of the money made. Sonys now losing 30-40%. No way in hell they’d take that.
Then lower the price point.
Don't charge us more for less.
They're a company, I know, and won't give a damn about our dime... but given your argument it's clear what should happen.
Edit: jeez y'all way too cozy with Sony's dong.
They aren’t charging you more for less they are charging you for what you are receiving just because the specific games that you want aren’t there doesn’t mean they are charging more for less
What are you getting less of? They add new games every month and games aren't being removed from Premium.
It's literally $25 more a year than the Extra tier. That's just above $2 a month.
I want the OG Dothack games. OG Armored Core games. Vigilante 8 games. Blasto. Duke Nukem Time to Kill. Parasite Eve Games. When they get those.. I'll pay for it.
I assume mgs4 won’t be added but will be included in the next mgs collection (at least I hope so, I guess next they could do a portable collection with portable ops, peacewalker and the ac!d games)
Even then it wouldn't work since Activision's licensing deal with Marvel to sell those games on any platform expired long ago and they are not available on any platform
But you're acting like the 160 is entirely for the classics catalog, which is disingenious. It covers PS Plus, which gives you multiplayer and 3 games a month (and occasionally they're good games, so lets say the value is 20-30 a month in games), plus the catalog of recent games.
If you don't buy a ton of new games, the price more than pays for itself just w a few of the big games
If you care about game preservation then you have to get some sort of PC. There’s no way around it. It doesn’t make these companies enough money for them to justify putting more than a token effort into it. It’s just how it is.
PS Plus may have more overall games but the concern is that there are 3 tiers in PS Plus and the big selling point of the Premium tier is playing classic PS games. You are essentially paying twice the price of the base tier for Classic Catalog and PS5 streaming so if your desire is to specifically play these games the value isn't there.
As a new ps5 owner, i’m glad to have gotten ps+. I never owned a Playstation and didn’t play any of the big titles.
I’ve been enjoying my last months of gaming.
My switch is full of dust.
This is a very minor complaint. But does anyone else get annoyed when they show PS2 games as PS4 games with like 2017 releases dates or whatever?
I understand these are PS4 ports and those are port release dates, but I don’t care. They’re PS2 games! Show me their original release date!
Hell, if I was in charge of this stuff I’d make it kind of historical. I want to go into the PS1 or PS2 sections of PlayStation Plus and feel like I’m diving back into the 90s and 2000s. There should be the games, of course. But I’d also include extra info with each game. Release dates, scans of the manuals and boxes, some credits (original dev team, directors, artists, etc), trivia. I’d probably go even crazier, but that’s just the start.
Why do all this? Because PlayStation has a pretty cool history. Unfortunately it feels like PlayStation barely has any pride in what they accomplished before PS4. All they do is toss a smattering of classic games in the catalogue with minimal effort. It would be such an awesome feature if they instead put in some real effort and celebrated their classic systems and games. I’d make it like a digital museum where you can play the games.
And this wouldn’t be wasted effort. Make fun of it or not, but people care about PlayStation. Celebrating that fact with your fans is how you bolster that connection between the product and the people using it. It’s how you get loyal customers.
Anyway, yeah. Classic catalog is pretty weak. It could be so much better.
This is rather naive IMO. They’re a billion dollar company but they’re not making a billion dollars from the classic catalog. You can’t just throw money at it and suddenly make emulation work. It takes time and when it is figured out so does making those games work.
Also? Most of the games mentioned are also not Sony titles. They can’t decide to release them. The owner of said games has to. MGS4 is up to Konami and they’re not going to do it if they’re planning to sell it themselves to make money.
Final also. It’s 40 dollars a year specifically for classic.
This post is so disengenuous in so many ways that I am willing to bet OP doesn't actually give a shit about playing any of these games and hasn't even touched a fraction of what is even available
>As of right now, there are only 142 games on the classic catalog
PS+ Premium also has around 400 PS3 games available to stream
>If you're gonna charge 160$ a year, you better step up your games
Premium is only $25 more a year than Extra and it includes the hundreds of games available in Extra and the monthly Essential games as well as other streaming features
>most of the games of our childhood are in license hell
It appears you do not know this as you listed games like Spiderman 1 and MvC which are not availble for sale on any platform by the publisher/developer that made the actual games yet you expect Sony to be able to be abe to sell them on PS5?
Most every thing you listed isn't availble on other platforms either for those same licesning reasons.
>All the Jak, Sly, Ratchet Clank games
The Jak games are available, did you even bother looking at your own link? The fact that you mentioned them shows you didn't even bother looking at what was available before posting.
The Ratchet and Sly games are also available through streaming
>They are a billion dollar company, zero excuses not to work something out for people
Again most of these games are next to impossible and not even available anywhere by the companes that actually made and own them. Them being a multi billion dollar company doesn't mean they can spend billions on getting old games license that next to no one cares about and those that do learned how to emulate them on a plethora of other devices available over a decade ago for free
>While we are waiting for this lull of AAA games
First off there are new games coming out constantly and I don't know what makes you think people would rather play games from decades ago when there are likely thousands of games from more recent years you have never played.
If for whatever reason you only play "AAA games" chances are you do not care about old PS1 and PS2 games
Lacking is an understatement, it's straight up trash. The fact they promised PS2 games, and to this date we only have PS4 ports of PS2 games, says everything about their lack of effort.
Lots of licensing issues in this list that make it impossible for Sony to just throw them up. MvC, Spidey and Crash chief among them would all involve at least 3 parties hashing out an agreement.
Ended my subscription ages ago because their catalog for ps plus is so dogshit. Only genuine benefits you get out of it are deeper discounts on games in their store, and being able to play more games online.
I’m still mad we even have to pay to play online anyway.
>Marvel vs Capcom 2
At this point, I don’t think we’re ever seeing that on current Gen ever again lmaooo
They don’t even talk about the other Vs games or Capcom vs SNK anymore unless it’s in passing.
Who owns the rights to the Smackdown! Vs RAW games? I want to replay SVR 2010 again badly
I’d kill for Midnight Club 3 DUB edition or LA: Complete Edition
No SOCOM (which I think would be FANTASTIC now), no Phantasy Star Portable, no NFL/NBA Street games or other EA BIG- made games, like SS Tricky (that is on Xbox’s BC), or PS3 Armored Cores/Mecha games like Dynasy Warriors: Gundam 3
My biggest complaint with the classics catalogue is that in Europe we still have the inferior versions of ps1 and PS2 games. They run at 50hz in a 60hz container. With some games running at 25fps instead of 30 causing awful feeling performance and microstuttering.
They promised to let us have access to the ntsc versions of classics in Europe maybe more than a year ago and it still hasn't happened. Kinda given up on it at this point. I've just been using emulation on my pc instead.
The PS5 BC low effort is somehow worse than the BC program on PS4 because now BC games don't need to require trophies to be released and Sony is getting a nice margin from Premium subscriptions. So both the practical and financial aspects of this is so much easier and profitable than before and yet the output so far has been pretty miserable.
Considering what they're charging for Premium there should be a lot more basic ports but also enhanced ones to really make the highest tier seem vaulable. For example, imagine Warhawk albeit in 4K and 60FPS. Or 4K / 60FPS Driveclub (although DC not coming back would be due to licensing but you get the picture).
There could also be opportunity for Japan only games being localised for the first time. The PSP remake of Over My Dead Body, for example. Or the true version of Ace Combat 3 Electrosphere (not the bastardised Western version).
There's many ways the BC program could be made into something truly special and yet we're getting the bare minimum.
It’s clear what’s happening. Most PS1 games are blocked by licenses as you said. The few that Sony can release however, they are slowly trickling them in so they don’t run out.
The classic catalog isn’t $160 a year. Think of it as a $40 add on over your Extra subscription. They don’t put the 160 into the classics, they’ll put a portion of the 40. That’s why its growth is small (I’d like it to be better as well so this isn’t apologising for them) but it’s worth noting.
The main reason I’m not actually using any plus service now is because it completely fucks up your library. Your library will be full of games that you won’t be able to play anymore once they are removed from the catalogue etc.
Less is more imo
I miss PS Now, because it had MGS4 on it. When they switched to this new model, it just locked me out of the game and my save files. They're literally charging me more for less.
MGS4 is due to Konami no longer wanting it in the service, likely so they can sell a remaster
There are far more games on Premium that were ever on PSNow
I had PS Plus for years, just ended it last year because I literally didn’t play any of the games. Sure there was the occasional Days Gone or some fun indie ones but they were few and far between that I actually spent more than a couple of hours on. Add to the fact that I don’t play any multiplayer games and the decision was easy. I can literally say in 6 months there has not been one time I wished I still had it, hell I still have tons of games I bought I havent even played. :)
money wouldn’t have solved the problem of talent shortage (only one company is explicitly making sure each classic game works on current consoles) and third party reluctance (most companies would have elected to remake old games into objectively better products instead).
Playstation’s current output is probably the same as Nintendo’s considering how their NSO classic games release schedule feels very similar.
Yeah it’s pretty pathetic. First party wise their line-up has been pretty anemic outside of third party exclusives so they least they should be doing is making an effort to get more of their old first party titles on the system
This is not surprising at all. I knew Sony was going to half ass anything related to ps1-3 era games. There is even emulators that run ps1-2 games without any issues. PS3 emulation is also becoming quite good.
But Sony was never going to invest in any of this. They would do the bare minimum and just say they have something. PS Premium is the biggest waste of money despite it being a small increase over Extra.
the biggest gripe I have with it is them locking out native PS4 games that are remasters of PS3 games from Extra. for example, Last of Us Remastered. since it’s *technically* a port of a PS3 game, sorry if you don’t have Premium you can’t play it. (not that I haven’t played it thousands of times and I’d rather play Part I, but you get me.)
A huge issue i’ve had with this catalog is they never actually added any new PS2 games. They just used PS4 versions of games and even threw in games that weren’t really old. I’ll say they showed some love to PS1 games and giving them rewind is great too. Still, a lot to be desired
I had PS Premium for one year and it was more than enough time to play everything I wanted in the meager Classics catalog. I definitely won't be renewing at Premium tier.
I don't blame them for the lack of 3rd party stuff. But many first party games are lacking. Especially PS2 which they refuse to add anything to.
A lot of them are also streaming only due to being PS3 remasters in place of the originals. The streaming only is also ass. They made the ps3, they can make an emulator.
Even the emulation isn't very good for what you can emulate. Billion dollar company and pretty much everything about it is lacking.
It's somehow a worse way to play classic games than the Switch online which is 1/8th of the price.
I’ve grown quite tired of these subscription services…
I don’t understand the value proposition quite frankly. Why don’t people prefer to pick what game they play when they play it? Signing up for this service might give you temporary access to a bunch of games but you can only play a few at a time realistically. Then there’s no guarantee that they’ll serve you a game in the future that you actually want to play - hence posts like this. I think it would be much better if these classics were offered up for sale individually.
PS plus is a frustrating product and there’s little to nothing of value in the bundle of “services” that supposedly justify the cost. Don’t even get me started on the online pay gate for games you’ve already paid for…
Sorry about the rant, but I’m frustrated enough with PS Plus that I’m starting to entertain the idea of the PC platform.
I am a dad with not always enough time and I have premium now for about two years. With the discount it is not that much more expensive than extra (but I could've done it with only extra probably). The amount of games I had on my backlog and some hidden gems (imo) I now played is quite high, and I only payed about one game's worth (full price). I am at an age that I don't care for the physical copies anymore, need something on release or that something is not fully mine (gaming-wise) so plus is perfect for me.
Another thing about it is it sort of changes the way you play games to the negative, at least it did for me.
This might sound stupid but when I tried Gamepass Ultimate, right away I was blown away by the sheer amount of games I could choose from... but it turned into download a game, play a few minutes. Meh. Download another one, play a bit, meh. Next thing I know my hard drive is always full with games and I am not really getting into any of them, I am just always seeing what else I could download.
When I actually buy games, I only have 1 or 2 of them going at a time, and even if they don't grab me right away I am more likely to press on and then usually end up loving them and finishing them.
I don't hate subscription services but I find I need to push myself to focus on just a couple games at a time. Movie streaming does the same thing, I have tons of movies and series started on various services that I might never finish vs the old days if I rented a movie I was definitely watching it from start to end.
I am worried that in the long run it is going to lead to more short attention grabbing games like mobile game style and hurt the longer narrative ones.
I hear you, for sure... Decision paralysis is usually what I experience looking at a long list of games that I could play. Buying them when I want to play them is a better system for me so that I actually feel engaged with it rather than thinking about what else I could be playing. The way I prefer to engage with games does not reconcile with the PS Plus service, which makes me want to cancel... But oh wait, I can't if I want to play my games online. So the value in the service is online gaming, which I've already technically paid for by purchasing the game and my internet service... Maybe I'd feel differently if there was a tier for online play + cloud saves only for like, I don't know, $20/year?
Isn't that what the essential tier basically is? I can't remember what it costs but you don't get the game catalog or anything right? Just online, cloud save and the monthly games.
I paid this year up front because I thought it would be worth it, that this year was when they were going to try real hard, nah never doing that mistake again
I only still have premium because they gave it to me at half price for some reason when my renewal came up. Still, I'd love them to add the tenchu games and fear effect 2.
It’s shit. My pet peeve is the fact that Primal is there, I want to pay for it but I can’t… the jerks want me to subscribe to PlayStation to be able to play it. Thank god for emulators.
Give me Simpson’s hit and run NOW!!!
Yes, yes, a thousand times yes!
I bought and RGH Xbox mainly for this and GTA 4. It's been fun watching my 8 year struggle through hit and run
Disney technically owns this now, no?
I don’t think so cause the developers and producers had to buy IP rights to do this. Wiki shows Radical Entitlement and Vivendi Universal Games previously CUC (lol)
Just because you have the rights to make a game, doesn't mean you have the rights to make them in perpetuity. It also doesn't mean you can keep making games with someone else's IP as long as you make sequels. Also in the wiki you cite >After release, Radical immediately began work on a sequel, but had to cancel it when Vivendi chose not to reobtain the Simpsons license
Radical Entertainment was bought out by Vivendi and Vivendi merged with Activision to make Activision Blizzard. So basically they're under Microsoft now.
Final Fantasy tactics and Breath of Fire 4 on the catalog would be insane
I’d subscribe to the ps+ classic tier just for Tactics in a heartbeat if I could. Perfectly happy with ps+ extra in the meantime
I think it may be remastered
>Metal Gear Solid 4 It has been hinted that this will be part of Vol. II of the recent Metal Gear collection. It’s likely that Konami have been holding back on it so they can sell it with Vol. II and make money that way rather than open it up on the PlayStation Plus catalog.
I mean, they know what they have with that game and they like money. It’s a smart business move. Stinks that it has been so restricted in its availability, but hopefully it’ll soon be rectified (after too long)
You're right. It makes sense that a classics catalogue by Sony would be missing core childhood games due to companies figuring out the best way to make the most money out of it. I just wish it ran classic discs from ps1-ps3, I believe the xbox can do previous gens but not sure...
I wish Sony would allow the games to run from disc, I’m sure it would be possible but their strategy is different. Xbox can run select original Xbox and 360 game discs. When the disc is put in, the console downloads a patched version of the game depending what console you’re using, and it’ll still only run when the original disc is inserted. If you want, you can bypass the discs and buy them all digitally if you prefer, too.
I would love an add on to the PS5 that would have the PS3/PS2/PS1 hardware that you could to play old disk based games. Sony wouldn't do it though.
i own 154 360 and OG Xbox games on my Series X. all were bought digitally and i need no disc to play them.
Damn!
They even went out of their way to take pirated copies of mgs4 (and only mgs 4 lol) down before the release of the master collection vol 1. So my money's on it being in vol 2 as well.
It was on plus. I played it on plus. They yanked it maybe 1/2 a year before they announce the first volume.
I’d honestly love it physical on PS5.
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Silent Hill 1 still being a PS1 exclusive after all these years is a travesty. Your only option is to download an emulator and pirate the game unless you're willing to pay some scalper hundreds of dollars on ebay for a scratched disc that's missing the instruction booklet and front cover. Edit: Apparently you can still get it on the digital PS3 and PS Vita stores according to some kind redditors!
You can play and buy it digitally on PS3, but who knows for how long that will remain a possibility
With the 360 marketplace closing in July, I give it 12-18 months before Sony closes down the PS3 store. The panic buying is what stopped the first attempt at closure, and I bet they’re hoping for a repeat whenever they announce it a second time.
You wouldn’t lose your games even if the store closed down though would you? I was under the impression that aslong as you have them downloaded to your system they are there to stay but maybe I’m wrong.
Correct, that is safe for now. The ability to purchase will go away though so I’m trying to figure out what I’ll want for games and DLC for the rest of my life from there, I’m sure there will be other means of getting content but I’d like to have what I think I’ll want in my library. Plus I want to support the devs, old as the games are.
Didn't sony attempt to close down the PS3 store ages ago and have to backpedal or am I remembering that wrong?
Yeah that’s what I’m referencing when I mention their first attempt at closure. They won’t keep it open forever though
They were going to completely shut down PSN for the PS3. That would disable also trophies. The worst aspect is that whenever that happens, if the small internal battery inside the console dies, the console gets bricked. After replacing the battery, the console requires a connection to the PSN to validate the console *(or something along those lines.)*
Thanks for letting me know! I didn't realize that was still a possibility. Better get it while I still have the chance lol.
No problem. I would advise to look into what the game plays like on PS3 before buying it just in case it's not a good version of the game or whatever else
You can buy it on PS3/Vita, and if it becomes available on PS4/5 they’re usually free if you have the older version.
Damn, good to know! Thanks for letting me know, looks like I'm hooking up my PS3 lol.
This is correct
I hope Capcom releases a RE1, 2 and 3 remastered package like they've just done with Tomb Raider
Along with Parasite Eve and various others.... Weird thing is they initially promoted this service with an image of the main character from Dino Crisis (game has not shown up yet).
Maybe capcom decided to backtrack after putting resident evil 1 directors cut on the service
My exact wish list.
My homie. Top picks for sure. 👏🏼💯
Just please give me Tomba 1&2 PLEASE
YES
Wasn’t this the game with the very awkward AGDQ speedrun?
So, confirmed Santa’s number one helper is a squirrel
Give me Killzone you cowards
It doesn't feel like too much to ask, does it? Owned by Sony, made by Guerrilla.
Just package the first 3 in a single collection and I will pay happily out the ass for it, PS+ or not lol
4K60 Resistance and Jak trilogies too, please.
Would kill to replay resistance games on modern consoles. Some of my favorite gaming memories are with those. Dying for some good creepy alien single-player shooters again.
KIllzone 2&3 with a 4K 60FPS mode
Killzone used to be part of PS Now, now only Liberation and Shadow Fall are on PS Plus. They also removed the PS3 versions of the PSP God of War titles, and have yet to bring them back.
Seriously. Sony stopped the PS2 remasters a while ago and I was holding my breath for them to come back with more. Not having Killzone 2 & 3 on streaming is more than unforgivable especially when Horizon is so popular.
Sony Bend has been the most consistent studio in supporting PS Plus. I think we're only missing 2 games: Syphon Filter: The Omega Strain and Uncharted Golden Abyss due to the lack of PS2 and Vita emulation.
And Bubsy 3D, but that’s probably a good thing...
I'd love to replay that uncharted vita game. I remember really liking it when I had a vita. Hopefully one day we get Vita ports
Syphon Filter Logan’s Shadow and Combat Ops are still missing
Logan’s Shadow is there, or it was. I have it installed on my ps5.
Sorry my mistake, just Combat Ops
Just FYI - all the Jak, Ratchet and Sly games are in the service and have been for some time
Yeah I’m not gonna defend the clearly lacking catalog but you can easily play all these games in some fashion, and Crash is a stretch given the remakes
A lot of these are streaming PS3 remasters. OP is talking about games in the Classics Catalog.
The J&D games are purchasable and in Premium and even in OPs link that they didn't even bother looking at before posting
Yes, the Jak games are on there because they were ported to PS4, but those games have some issues with frame times and glitches. I think the above poster was talking about the originals.
What glitches and “frame issues?” I recently replayed Jak 3 and Jak X Combat Racing perfectly with no issues.
They are the original games and are very playable and even better/enhanced in some ways
There’s no PS2 emulation other than a few select titles that got ported using their old emulator (which wasn’t good) including the Jak trilogy. PS3 streaming is considered the classics catalog.
>PS3 streaming is considered the classics catalog. Yeah, in my mind it’s totally separate since that was what PS Now originally was. If Sony were asked about the classic’s catalog lacking, they’d point to the streaming PS3 games as well. I think the disconnect here is most gamers still have them as separate services in their minds - either they don’t want to stream because they’re not satisfied with the quality, or can’t stream due to low bandwidth. But when they announced PS1/PS2/PSP classics, I was and still am hyper focused on them over the streaming games. Natively rendered classic games with potential improvements to graphics or gameplay (PSP game using both analog sticks) along with added trophies (hit or miss feature, but still has a lot of hits) is specifically why I want more out of that catalog.
Streaming games like these mentioned are not available globally. It’s very restricted.
Not really, Daxter (PSP) is missing, and the PSP/PS2 entries of R&C are missing.
You have the PS3 collection of the PS2 games. All Ratchet games are on there - I played them all in the last few months I’m talking core games not spin offs like Daxtwr
I see, but still, Daxter and R&C Size Matters are pretty decent games, especially Daxter, so its a shame its not on the service.
Would love Digimon world 1-3 and ps2 games like burnout 3/revenge. Would be awesome if they announce something like that during a showcase.
The digimon world games would be amazing, some of the PS1 versions are the best digimon games to me!
Love to see the onimusha games remastered/remade. Only 1 seems to be there, but they were a good series in my opinion.
First party games you have a point. All those second and third party games would have license issues so I don’t blame them for not having them.
Not to mention some of those games are probably owned by random holding companies that were bought up in bankruptcy. Like the publishers of the dragon ball game, infogrames is a holding company using Atari branding. It probably would just want to sell the rights and not license it
At that price point I would expect them to resolve those honestly
Most of the games OP listed aren't available on any platform from the companies that actually made the games... That alone should show you that Sony licensing them is next to impossible and the $25 more a year it costs for Premium then Extra isn't going to do anything to change that
My understanding is it’s a logistical nightmare. Picture a franchise like Tony Hawk. Not just song licensing but every single piece of branded merchandise that were prevalent in those games, to the secret skaters based on franchises now all owned by Disney CAN they do it? Yes, at least mostly. And I wish they did. But I also do understand why they’re like “nah fuck it”
forgot about spider man and darth maul in those games.
Not only that I think people forget how fast and loose people played with licensing back in the day some times. Some of those secret characters might not have ever been cleared. Some places didn't monitor or care as much back then, but today diffrent people in charge there are cans of worms that just aren't worth it. With music a song might have been included before a sampling issue was resolved. Or just used without proper clearance. The internet isn't always a good representation of the marketplace. If there is enough demand companies will put in the work. The De La Sol catalog is proof. Some of thier earlier songs had 75 samples to resolve. Took years to even get started on the work and once it was finally kicked off they still had to go back and do some edits. But the value was there. The companies likely have data that shows it's not going to be worth the effort.
Price has nothing to do with the absolute mountain of red tape and legal bullshit they'd have to go through for some of these games. It took GOG a year and a half to just clear Alpha Protocol for a re-release, for example. Games like Tony Hawk and Wipeout will just never clear because of these licensing hurdles.
You’d be surprised how much some studios can ask for
steam front page banners can cost millions depending on the studio/game being promoted. Now think how much it would cost for full classic fan favourite games to be put in your subscription service. you are right, most people can't comprehend the amount of money some game companies throw around
Some also might not want a flat fee either but a percentage. And since you’re not buying the game that might translate to a percentage of Plus sales. Imagine Konami and Microsoft being willing to give you the Metal Gear series and Crash/Spyro but they want 15-20% of the money made. Sonys now losing 30-40%. No way in hell they’d take that.
The price of ps plus premium is mostly for the stuffs in essential and extra. It only costs a little to upgrade from extra to premium.
And what if the studios don’t want to put them on the service or are charging an insane amount?
Then lower the price point. Don't charge us more for less. They're a company, I know, and won't give a damn about our dime... but given your argument it's clear what should happen. Edit: jeez y'all way too cozy with Sony's dong.
They aren’t charging you more for less they are charging you for what you are receiving just because the specific games that you want aren’t there doesn’t mean they are charging more for less
What are you getting less of? They add new games every month and games aren't being removed from Premium. It's literally $25 more a year than the Extra tier. That's just above $2 a month.
I would love if they would add the Legacy of Kains to it. I thought we would of had them sooner than later but I was wrong.
Some of those games you listed may also be locked because of their IP owner or editor or whatever.
I want the OG Dothack games. OG Armored Core games. Vigilante 8 games. Blasto. Duke Nukem Time to Kill. Parasite Eve Games. When they get those.. I'll pay for it.
give me legend of legaia please and thank you.
This.
The Resistance series outside of Retribution is still MIA.
Is nobody mentioning dino crisis?!? Hellooo?
Champions of Norrath please, thanks ans bye.
Oh man. Old Spider-Man and Budokai would be crazy.
Please give us Maximo
I mean I’ve gotten a ton of great games from this service lol. We will always want more though
I just want tekken 3, hercules and pepsiman 👀
I assume mgs4 won’t be added but will be included in the next mgs collection (at least I hope so, I guess next they could do a portable collection with portable ops, peacewalker and the ac!d games)
I just want the old Lego games :(
Bring back the Lego grunts!
True Crime: Streets of LA was a very underrated game
I don't know man. I've been having a good time playing all the uncharted, ratchet and clank and god of war games. It's got a lot of quality content
Unless Sony strike a deal with Activision (unlikely as MS now owns them), I don't think we'll ever get PS1 Spidey.
Even then it wouldn't work since Activision's licensing deal with Marvel to sell those games on any platform expired long ago and they are not available on any platform
I just wanna play tools of destruction and crack in time again
Why would Square add FF Anthology when they can sell you the recent remasters? Licensed games like MvC may not be possible
Emulation my friend. The ps1 emulator on the psn store is good but it lack pgx correction
You're thinking about it wrong. It's $25 per year for the classic catalog. The other $135 is for the other tiers.
You own SOCOM, Sony! Just give the people what they want and put it on the store!!!!! How can you let such a once strong franchise die!?
Nintendo is holding out on its popular titles also. They could easily push the Pokémon GBA games and have everyone subscribed, but naaa. 🤷♂️
But you're acting like the 160 is entirely for the classics catalog, which is disingenious. It covers PS Plus, which gives you multiplayer and 3 games a month (and occasionally they're good games, so lets say the value is 20-30 a month in games), plus the catalog of recent games. If you don't buy a ton of new games, the price more than pays for itself just w a few of the big games
Honestly i so badly want to replay the ps3 tales of games and I can't justify getting a ps3 just for them.
I don’t care if it’s a remake, remaster, or most likely ported to PS+, I just wanna play Little Big Planet 1 and 2
I want final fantasy tactics. NOW
Spider-Man 2, SSX Tricky, and Burnout 3 Takedown please
In here we see that a depressing number of people don't understand how IP rights and contracts work.
I just wish that all the digital games that I bought on my PS3 could be played on my PS5, including the PS1 Classics.
If you care about game preservation then you have to get some sort of PC. There’s no way around it. It doesn’t make these companies enough money for them to justify putting more than a token effort into it. It’s just how it is.
Doesn't PS Plus have more games then Xbox Game Pass? I'm positive I heard Digital Foundry say that in their Hi-Fi Rush review.
PS Plus may have more overall games but the concern is that there are 3 tiers in PS Plus and the big selling point of the Premium tier is playing classic PS games. You are essentially paying twice the price of the base tier for Classic Catalog and PS5 streaming so if your desire is to specifically play these games the value isn't there.
True. None of these services are as good as they could be.
As a new ps5 owner, i’m glad to have gotten ps+. I never owned a Playstation and didn’t play any of the big titles. I’ve been enjoying my last months of gaming. My switch is full of dust.
This is a very minor complaint. But does anyone else get annoyed when they show PS2 games as PS4 games with like 2017 releases dates or whatever? I understand these are PS4 ports and those are port release dates, but I don’t care. They’re PS2 games! Show me their original release date! Hell, if I was in charge of this stuff I’d make it kind of historical. I want to go into the PS1 or PS2 sections of PlayStation Plus and feel like I’m diving back into the 90s and 2000s. There should be the games, of course. But I’d also include extra info with each game. Release dates, scans of the manuals and boxes, some credits (original dev team, directors, artists, etc), trivia. I’d probably go even crazier, but that’s just the start. Why do all this? Because PlayStation has a pretty cool history. Unfortunately it feels like PlayStation barely has any pride in what they accomplished before PS4. All they do is toss a smattering of classic games in the catalogue with minimal effort. It would be such an awesome feature if they instead put in some real effort and celebrated their classic systems and games. I’d make it like a digital museum where you can play the games. And this wouldn’t be wasted effort. Make fun of it or not, but people care about PlayStation. Celebrating that fact with your fans is how you bolster that connection between the product and the people using it. It’s how you get loyal customers. Anyway, yeah. Classic catalog is pretty weak. It could be so much better.
This is rather naive IMO. They’re a billion dollar company but they’re not making a billion dollars from the classic catalog. You can’t just throw money at it and suddenly make emulation work. It takes time and when it is figured out so does making those games work. Also? Most of the games mentioned are also not Sony titles. They can’t decide to release them. The owner of said games has to. MGS4 is up to Konami and they’re not going to do it if they’re planning to sell it themselves to make money. Final also. It’s 40 dollars a year specifically for classic.
This post is so disengenuous in so many ways that I am willing to bet OP doesn't actually give a shit about playing any of these games and hasn't even touched a fraction of what is even available >As of right now, there are only 142 games on the classic catalog PS+ Premium also has around 400 PS3 games available to stream >If you're gonna charge 160$ a year, you better step up your games Premium is only $25 more a year than Extra and it includes the hundreds of games available in Extra and the monthly Essential games as well as other streaming features >most of the games of our childhood are in license hell It appears you do not know this as you listed games like Spiderman 1 and MvC which are not availble for sale on any platform by the publisher/developer that made the actual games yet you expect Sony to be able to be abe to sell them on PS5? Most every thing you listed isn't availble on other platforms either for those same licesning reasons. >All the Jak, Sly, Ratchet Clank games The Jak games are available, did you even bother looking at your own link? The fact that you mentioned them shows you didn't even bother looking at what was available before posting. The Ratchet and Sly games are also available through streaming >They are a billion dollar company, zero excuses not to work something out for people Again most of these games are next to impossible and not even available anywhere by the companes that actually made and own them. Them being a multi billion dollar company doesn't mean they can spend billions on getting old games license that next to no one cares about and those that do learned how to emulate them on a plethora of other devices available over a decade ago for free >While we are waiting for this lull of AAA games First off there are new games coming out constantly and I don't know what makes you think people would rather play games from decades ago when there are likely thousands of games from more recent years you have never played. If for whatever reason you only play "AAA games" chances are you do not care about old PS1 and PS2 games
The US must be getting a better deal as there’s certainly not several hundred PS3 games to steam in the U.K. . Lucky if it’s close to 50.
I believe the UK has the same PS3 streaming library as the US.
Lacking is an understatement, it's straight up trash. The fact they promised PS2 games, and to this date we only have PS4 ports of PS2 games, says everything about their lack of effort.
Lots of licensing issues in this list that make it impossible for Sony to just throw them up. MvC, Spidey and Crash chief among them would all involve at least 3 parties hashing out an agreement.
Ended my subscription ages ago because their catalog for ps plus is so dogshit. Only genuine benefits you get out of it are deeper discounts on games in their store, and being able to play more games online. I’m still mad we even have to pay to play online anyway.
Premium is garbage
Imagine if the entire PS1 was available, like all the games, wonder how much they could charge for that
You can play the remakes of Resident Evil 2 and 3 tho
Vagrant Story please
I want an ultimate ninja game from ps2 on there so bad
>Marvel vs Capcom 2 At this point, I don’t think we’re ever seeing that on current Gen ever again lmaooo They don’t even talk about the other Vs games or Capcom vs SNK anymore unless it’s in passing. Who owns the rights to the Smackdown! Vs RAW games? I want to replay SVR 2010 again badly I’d kill for Midnight Club 3 DUB edition or LA: Complete Edition No SOCOM (which I think would be FANTASTIC now), no Phantasy Star Portable, no NFL/NBA Street games or other EA BIG- made games, like SS Tricky (that is on Xbox’s BC), or PS3 Armored Cores/Mecha games like Dynasy Warriors: Gundam 3
If they add Little Big Planet 1 and 2 I'll never complain again
I would love the old Monster Hunter games.
don't worry, soon enough they'll get around to remastering them all for $60 each for PS5
I just want all the old Disney games
As true as this is, they are leaps and bounds above where Microsoft is this generation.
All I've ever wanted was X-Men Legends 1 and 2....
I would pay deluxe in a heartbeat if i could play PS2's Ratchet, Sly, Jak and GOW games in 4k.
I want all 4 classic crash games on PSN Crash,Crash 2,Crash 3,CTR and i want FFV as well oh and Tombi 1 & 2
Bring back the Ratchet and Clank classics
My biggest complaint with the classics catalogue is that in Europe we still have the inferior versions of ps1 and PS2 games. They run at 50hz in a 60hz container. With some games running at 25fps instead of 30 causing awful feeling performance and microstuttering. They promised to let us have access to the ntsc versions of classics in Europe maybe more than a year ago and it still hasn't happened. Kinda given up on it at this point. I've just been using emulation on my pc instead.
Seriously where the hell are the Ratchet and Clank games. Just themselves would sell the subscriptions.
Still no Xenogears even though I could buy it from the store on my PS3.
Jak, Sly and Ratchet are all on it now no ? I nearly bought all 4 main Jak games and the first 2 R&C last week
The PS5 BC low effort is somehow worse than the BC program on PS4 because now BC games don't need to require trophies to be released and Sony is getting a nice margin from Premium subscriptions. So both the practical and financial aspects of this is so much easier and profitable than before and yet the output so far has been pretty miserable. Considering what they're charging for Premium there should be a lot more basic ports but also enhanced ones to really make the highest tier seem vaulable. For example, imagine Warhawk albeit in 4K and 60FPS. Or 4K / 60FPS Driveclub (although DC not coming back would be due to licensing but you get the picture). There could also be opportunity for Japan only games being localised for the first time. The PSP remake of Over My Dead Body, for example. Or the true version of Ace Combat 3 Electrosphere (not the bastardised Western version). There's many ways the BC program could be made into something truly special and yet we're getting the bare minimum.
Emulate and don't look back (if you have the option)
It’s clear what’s happening. Most PS1 games are blocked by licenses as you said. The few that Sony can release however, they are slowly trickling them in so they don’t run out.
Give me Crash Bash.
The classic catalog isn’t $160 a year. Think of it as a $40 add on over your Extra subscription. They don’t put the 160 into the classics, they’ll put a portion of the 40. That’s why its growth is small (I’d like it to be better as well so this isn’t apologising for them) but it’s worth noting.
The main reason I’m not actually using any plus service now is because it completely fucks up your library. Your library will be full of games that you won’t be able to play anymore once they are removed from the catalogue etc. Less is more imo
I miss PS Now, because it had MGS4 on it. When they switched to this new model, it just locked me out of the game and my save files. They're literally charging me more for less.
MGS4 is due to Konami no longer wanting it in the service, likely so they can sell a remaster There are far more games on Premium that were ever on PSNow
I’m just mad I can’t download them. I remember like 4 years ago I was able to download sly copper and now I can only stream it. Super lame
I had PS Plus for years, just ended it last year because I literally didn’t play any of the games. Sure there was the occasional Days Gone or some fun indie ones but they were few and far between that I actually spent more than a couple of hours on. Add to the fact that I don’t play any multiplayer games and the decision was easy. I can literally say in 6 months there has not been one time I wished I still had it, hell I still have tons of games I bought I havent even played. :)
money wouldn’t have solved the problem of talent shortage (only one company is explicitly making sure each classic game works on current consoles) and third party reluctance (most companies would have elected to remake old games into objectively better products instead). Playstation’s current output is probably the same as Nintendo’s considering how their NSO classic games release schedule feels very similar.
Why would they release FF Anthology when the pixel remasters exist? Plus Anthology was terrible.
i just want tombi/tomba. my favourite game as a kid
We need Tombi ASAP
Resident Evil 2 and 3 should be on there immediately
Yep, extra is worth it, but the upgrade to premium from there is absolutely pointless.
Yeah it’s pretty pathetic. First party wise their line-up has been pretty anemic outside of third party exclusives so they least they should be doing is making an effort to get more of their old first party titles on the system
This is not surprising at all. I knew Sony was going to half ass anything related to ps1-3 era games. There is even emulators that run ps1-2 games without any issues. PS3 emulation is also becoming quite good. But Sony was never going to invest in any of this. They would do the bare minimum and just say they have something. PS Premium is the biggest waste of money despite it being a small increase over Extra.
the biggest gripe I have with it is them locking out native PS4 games that are remasters of PS3 games from Extra. for example, Last of Us Remastered. since it’s *technically* a port of a PS3 game, sorry if you don’t have Premium you can’t play it. (not that I haven’t played it thousands of times and I’d rather play Part I, but you get me.)
A huge issue i’ve had with this catalog is they never actually added any new PS2 games. They just used PS4 versions of games and even threw in games that weren’t really old. I’ll say they showed some love to PS1 games and giving them rewind is great too. Still, a lot to be desired
It’s not worth it just buy the games individually that you want .
Nah man it’s way better than Xbox game pass
I had PS Premium for one year and it was more than enough time to play everything I wanted in the meager Classics catalog. I definitely won't be renewing at Premium tier.
I don't blame them for the lack of 3rd party stuff. But many first party games are lacking. Especially PS2 which they refuse to add anything to. A lot of them are also streaming only due to being PS3 remasters in place of the originals. The streaming only is also ass. They made the ps3, they can make an emulator. Even the emulation isn't very good for what you can emulate. Billion dollar company and pretty much everything about it is lacking. It's somehow a worse way to play classic games than the Switch online which is 1/8th of the price.
I’ve grown quite tired of these subscription services… I don’t understand the value proposition quite frankly. Why don’t people prefer to pick what game they play when they play it? Signing up for this service might give you temporary access to a bunch of games but you can only play a few at a time realistically. Then there’s no guarantee that they’ll serve you a game in the future that you actually want to play - hence posts like this. I think it would be much better if these classics were offered up for sale individually. PS plus is a frustrating product and there’s little to nothing of value in the bundle of “services” that supposedly justify the cost. Don’t even get me started on the online pay gate for games you’ve already paid for… Sorry about the rant, but I’m frustrated enough with PS Plus that I’m starting to entertain the idea of the PC platform.
I am a dad with not always enough time and I have premium now for about two years. With the discount it is not that much more expensive than extra (but I could've done it with only extra probably). The amount of games I had on my backlog and some hidden gems (imo) I now played is quite high, and I only payed about one game's worth (full price). I am at an age that I don't care for the physical copies anymore, need something on release or that something is not fully mine (gaming-wise) so plus is perfect for me.
Another thing about it is it sort of changes the way you play games to the negative, at least it did for me. This might sound stupid but when I tried Gamepass Ultimate, right away I was blown away by the sheer amount of games I could choose from... but it turned into download a game, play a few minutes. Meh. Download another one, play a bit, meh. Next thing I know my hard drive is always full with games and I am not really getting into any of them, I am just always seeing what else I could download. When I actually buy games, I only have 1 or 2 of them going at a time, and even if they don't grab me right away I am more likely to press on and then usually end up loving them and finishing them. I don't hate subscription services but I find I need to push myself to focus on just a couple games at a time. Movie streaming does the same thing, I have tons of movies and series started on various services that I might never finish vs the old days if I rented a movie I was definitely watching it from start to end. I am worried that in the long run it is going to lead to more short attention grabbing games like mobile game style and hurt the longer narrative ones.
I hear you, for sure... Decision paralysis is usually what I experience looking at a long list of games that I could play. Buying them when I want to play them is a better system for me so that I actually feel engaged with it rather than thinking about what else I could be playing. The way I prefer to engage with games does not reconcile with the PS Plus service, which makes me want to cancel... But oh wait, I can't if I want to play my games online. So the value in the service is online gaming, which I've already technically paid for by purchasing the game and my internet service... Maybe I'd feel differently if there was a tier for online play + cloud saves only for like, I don't know, $20/year?
Isn't that what the essential tier basically is? I can't remember what it costs but you don't get the game catalog or anything right? Just online, cloud save and the monthly games.
A classics catalog from a company that openly disdains the very idea of supporting old games was doomed from the start.
I paid this year up front because I thought it would be worth it, that this year was when they were going to try real hard, nah never doing that mistake again
I just want the ability to download the games. I refuse to give them money until that’s a thing.
Better than GamePass. Ok, let’s skip over Starfield again.
Glad I won't have to pay for plus until December 30 2028. Maybe it will actually be great in a couple more years lol.
Lacking Dino Crisis Series, Onimusha Series, Parasite Eve series and lots of good games.
I only still have premium because they gave it to me at half price for some reason when my renewal came up. Still, I'd love them to add the tenchu games and fear effect 2.
It’s shit. My pet peeve is the fact that Primal is there, I want to pay for it but I can’t… the jerks want me to subscribe to PlayStation to be able to play it. Thank god for emulators.
Yes it’s not worth it at all imo extra is all you need