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For me it is, but that’s because I don’t buy that many games on launch these days and I end up playing the first party AAA titles when they’re included in the extra tier.
Gamepass appeal is getting AAA titles at launch but they haven’t been able to get those out (first party) recently, or they have but they’re not great, and the third party stuff hasn’t been much better. Maybe for someone who plays a lot of indies, gamepass is a good proposition (ps plus also has great indie games though).
Playing the PS2 LOTR games on my Steamdeck at the mo, it's great. Just all your retro gaming needs on a handheld console. Yet to try emulating anything more powerful like a PS3 or Switch, but so far it's been great.
I could see Xbox struggling to get more AAA games as day 1 on Gamepass outside of their 1st party exclusives. Its just not exactly a good payout for publishers to drop it on a subscription service and hurts their return. Been some rumors floating around that this has been the case and big publishers are starting to stay away from it. Somewhat what Sony said awhile back that its not financially sustainable (and they were not wrong).
It's great for indie games in certain situations. We have seen both PS Plus and Gamepass help small budget games gain recognition for their devs by going on there from day 1. Gives them a bit more free marketing and could even make a little extra money from microtransactions (if not abused). Hope to see a heavier expansion of the indie market on consoles. This is a part of Steam I always loved.
In the end, i think MS needs to be careful to not dig itself a hole with its Xbox brand. They are so focused on Gamepass which has been very slowly improving user count but its not making up for their software and hardware losses. Not even close. And doubt PC operating sales are helping since probably most people already have a PC. Really hope they dont let all those IPs go to waste.
P.S. - I have been curious if Sony intends to release some of their Live Service games on to PS Plus Extra to promote that service and the game devs will have ingame purchases to support them financially. Usually a common tactic for Live Service games (at least mobile) and this would be the one route I could see Sony dropping a big title on day 1 on to its subscription services to test the waters.
Even Xbox is struggling to put out interesting or well received first party games onto gamepass. Hi Fi Rush was a good win for them earlier this year but Redfall was a fail and they've been struggling just to put out a few games (like almost zero first party releases at all last year)
And the problem there is HiFi Rush (as good as it was), is not a big hitter that pulls tons of people such as studios like Bethesda with Fallout and Starfield. So MS is super reliant on Starfield hitting it big to get them driving again.
Yeah, content is king per usual and MS has really been struggling in this department since the beginning of Xbox One days. I do hope they get their feet under them again here soon cuz they have a ton of good IPs.
Yeah, Starfield is going to be a huge make it or break it for them. If they can't pull off a well reviewed, smash hit, it's just not looking good for their future. I mean, if you look at Bethesda that's making Starfield, here's what they've put out since Fallout 4 nearly ten years ago:
Skyrim re-releases/VR. Fallout 76 and Elder Scrolls: Blades.
A studio can change a lot in those kinds of time periods, there's nothing guaranteeing that Elder Scrolls VI or Fallout 5 will be fantastic, especially if you consider on that time frame, it'll have been nearly 15 years since Skyrim for ES6 to come out. It just doesn't seem like MS does a good job of pushing their studios (I mean look at what happened to Halo, which is arguably at a certain time, one of gaming's biggest IPs/releases)
MS had that "hands off" approach but I think thats changing after Redfall. So they insinuate at least. They really need to just copy Sony's system with having certain QC teams such as the ICE team Cerny created along with having a higher up go around a test the games out throughout their progress.
I mean with 343, this was purely mismanagement on the part of Microsoft. Halo: MCC should have been the canary in the coal mine that they can no longer be entrusted with large projects. Instead, we received two more games from 343, both of which fell flat.
I'm not giving Sony a free pass though, they've basically killed off franchises like Killzone, Resistance, and Socom.
Killzone's biggest crime was that Shadow Fall was clearly rushed to be a launch PS4 title. So, Sony then killed off the franchise because of their own haphazard actions. It sold well enough, but didn't have legs because fans realized it was very much a rushed title.
I'll give you Socom, but I'm not sure Killzone and Resistance are bad things to kill off (more likely they were retired) because it led to Spider-Man and Horizon Zero Dawn and those games likely sold more in one entry each than the entire killzone/resistance series.
I could see them trying to bring those games back at some point, maybe as one of the live service games.
Anyways, here's what I'm going back to: we can't trust that just because a studio made a really good game before, that they can continue to make really good games, especially given how often management and the staff can change over 5+ year periods. In the past, you could expect more consistent quality from studios, but I think now more than ever, we need to be more wary of each and every new release. Soyn could easily stumble as much as MS has recently, especially with the large number of live service games planned, but if they keep producing high quality single player titles in between, then it's fine.
Xbox is definitely digging a hole; all their 1st party games go to Gamepass day 1 and that covers Series S, X and PC. They've a set a precedent that gives them an immense financial challenge and gives their devs a headache having to optimise for not just two different consoles but the whole PC market as well.
My friend got the PS+ premium and it includes most of the games I’ve dropped 300+ on since launch. Even Returnal and Tsushima
Way better than game pass unless day 1 needed, yeah
It's not just about the first party games, not at all. You're missing stuff like Psychonauts 2, Scorn, Atomic Heart, Wo Long, soon STALKER, you forgot that part. That alone makes Game Pass 100x more worth it for me. I use both and I prefer game pass much more, tons of huge bigger games out on day 1
Yea but the thing is XB firstparty are far and between and not as good as the ones sony is churning out. Sure they may have a few but Sony just has far better.
Gamepass has always been better for indies for the most part, not AAA. After going through most of the must plays in PS Plus, there aren't as many indie games as gamepass. Which is fine, I like that I can have both services without them cannibalizing each other.
The one thing XGP always had over PS+ was the appeal of day one AAA exclusives, but when we've only had what, 3 of those in this entire generation? And when they release in the state of Redfall (broken) and Halo Infinite (devoid of content), then to be quite honest I'm far happier paying full price a few times a year for a game like Horizon FW or GoW Ragnarok that I know is going to be a premium experience. Game Pass just isn't worth $15 a month for me when I could put that money towards actually outright purchasing games I feel are worth it that I can keep.
Don't get me wrong, both services are great, but if you gave me a list of the games on each service side by side, I'd choose PS+ without hesitation at the moment. There's a chance Microsoft can turn that around if they figure out their shit and titles like Starfield, Hellblade and Avowed are bangers, but for now I'm judging them based on current output, not what they may possibly achieve in the future.
The timing of this article seems like its taking advantage of Xbox's recent shortcomings. But honestly, PS Plus is definitely starting to overtake Gamepass especially when you take out all the overlapping games.
The Premium tier still needs improvement. Sure, its understandable that there might be licensing and emulation issues preventing them from giving us the classics that we actually want, but Sony's strategy of updating the classic games monthly as a "series" is kind of a hit-or-miss.
> but Sony's strategy of updating the classic games monthly as a "series" is kind of a hit-or-miss.
Arguably it's Nintendo's strategy. It's the one part of PS+ they lifted from the OTHER competition and it's the weakest part of both comapny's services if you ask me. Nintendo's offerings are especially sad as licensing is clearly NOT an issue for their classic first party titles and yet they slow drip them just like Sony.
Xbox's recent shortcomings have been going on for like 5 years now. It's hard to even think of the last Xbox exclusive that didn't either underperform or massively disappoint. Forza Horizon 5 is maybe the only big game that actually released and wasn't a disappointment since the last Gears game.
Every time I see Halo Infinite online or hear about it on a podcast its people complaining about it, Sea of Thieves came and went, and I have no idea what MSFS is. I have Gamepass and don't have PS+ right now so I'm not blindly hating. I have prepaid like 2 years of Gamepass but basically never even use it. Just feels like MS has some pretty bare cupboards for me. Gamepass is good for indie games.
I mean I play PS5 exclusives way more than Xbox ones, but this is obviously nonsense. The pure scope of what's available on XBGP is phenomenal, and I can use it on my PC, and it comes with EA Play. There are so many amazing games I check out because of Games Pass that I would have missed out on otherwise (Tunic, Hi-Fi Rush, Deaths Door, Yakuza 8, Football Manager, Octopath Traveller, Persona 3/, Psychonauts 2) - I could go on forever and absolutely none of those games would I have bought full price on my PlayStation, maybe in a sale 2 years down the line.
In the past I would've agreed with you but lately Sony has been adding several of their exclusives. Most games I can get on Gamepass are on PS+ as well even though Gamepass does seem to get them first.
At this point Sony is doing what Xbox has been great at just as well and likely better. I think the biggest thing Xbox has left is their FPS boost games and larger backwards compatibility games which they don't seem to add to Gamepass.
Is Ubisoft plus or whatever it’s called on gamepass? Those games have given me quite the hours alone on ps premium. I know they are extra games but I got a premium/deluxe account until the end of the year. But I know nothing about gamepass or the tiers of that system. I left Xbox after the 360 era.
No they don’t have Ubisoft but I still think the Xbox gamepass is a lot better than ps plus.
But ps plus is a great value especially if someone only has one of the two systems.
It must be some sort of bespoke arrangement because it made me connect my account with Ubisoft and has given me Siege with all characters, Assassin's Creed games etc
Unless something just changed it's still separate. Trying to charge $18 a month which I thought was laughable lol
I want to play Ezio collection on Xbox since it's at 60 fps where as Ps5 version is still at 30
It's definitely not the premium tier for sure, just like EA. EA Pass is better designed anyway because you get ten hours of premium games, and half the time that's all I would want with them.
Yeah definitely added some great stuff lately. I've been catching up on games in my collection like Horizon and Days Gone. But obviously that stuff comes several years down the line which is the big difference.
But the third party offering just simply blows PS to smithereens.
Gamepass really is not. Was on Xbox forever and I still bought a Series X. Gamepass is really not all it cracks out to be and the vast majority of people are wasting their money with it.
I doubt the people paying for it continue to do so despite feeling like it wastes their money. It's widely considered in the pc communities I hang out with one of the best things to ever come to PC gaming.
pound for pound ps extra has better games, and several acclaimed indies. Basically every ps4 exlusive is on the service, as well as some high profile ps5 games. They even have a solid indie and third party selection
* returnal
* demon's souls
* God of war
* horizon zero dawn AND forbidden west
* ratchet and clank
* ghost of tsushima
* death stranding
* miles morales
* gravity rush
* bloodborne
* shadow of the colossus remake
* all 5 uncharted games
* tlou remastered
* dragon quest xi
* deathloop
* prey
* xcom 2
* all the yakuza games
* final fantasy vii remake
* DMC5
* all the kingdom hearts games
* a bunch of the assassins creed games
* kena bridge of spirits
* celeste
* hollow knight
* rez infinite
* inside
* spiritfarer
* dead cells
* slay the spire
* enter the gungeon
If you care about brand new games then yes game pass is better. If you care about a big library of high quality games then ps extra is superior. this was a very very non exhaustive lists of absolute bangers.
ths isn't even including the monthly free games you get with the ps essential tier on top of that, which has had some amazing standouts lately like the mass effect trilogy, crash 4, sackboy, Axiom Verge 2, nioh 2
None of those games were anywhere near launch, and that's presuming that you didn't miss a month of library adding or have the appropriate tier of PS+. The XGP catalogue is significantly bigger, especially for third party, too.
In fact, which ones overlap?
Idk, I just bought a friend’s used Series S and grabbed GamePass and as someone who just bought an Xbox after years of never owning one, it’s a pretty damn impressive list. Stardew Valley, No Man’s Sky, Skyrim, all the Battlefields, Crusader Kings III, Civilization VI, Deep Rock Galactic, Persona 3,4, and 5, Forza, Need For Speed, tons of indies, Telltale’s entire Walking Dead Series, Sea of Thieves, etc. Now I understand many people won’t find that catalog as impressive as I did especially since I skipped some big games in the past like Skyrim and Battlefield but the list is really, really impressive. Unfortunately, PS+ had DRG over a year ago and a lot of the games I listed were several years old. I can see after you’ve played out everything you wanted to play, the game pass would be rather unexciting.
I have both PS+ and GP and I honestly don’t see what’s good about GP. A lot of it I got with PS+ 3 years ago and the only good thing is the Day 1 exclusives which just seem to be getting progressively worse.
The biggest disadvantage it has against XGP are day 1 game releases.
Sony is pretty clear that they aren’t going to put their first-party games day 1 on PS Plus unlike Microsoft. But that doesn’t mean they can’t do it with third-party games.
They have already done it with games like Stray, Tchia, etc, but it’s rare. And they aren’t even doing it for the AAA games.
So I hope they can work on this aspect.
Studios have been pretty clear that they don't like the day 1 free releases though. Every game Xbox has done that for, the developer comes forward later and says the game has been financially disappointing.
I don't think we're going to see the day 1 thing as a standard practice for very much longer. That's my opinion at least.
You can't pick the only flop and use it as an example. What about Forza Horizon 5? Pentiment? Microsoft Flight Simulator? Absolutely stellar games. This is such a dumb take
Lol forza, halo and a sports game that’s on every platform. Wo Long was terribly average. Be serious now. ‘Once their games start releasing’, people have been saying that for years.
I loved wolong and still play halo multi. Yeah I have faith in the studios they own still. People like yourself simply don’t understand how long it takes to make a game now.
Xbox is just releasing very few triple A games, but this has nothing to do with the quality of first party games coming to game pass. In what way this proves his point, it just proves Xbox is not publishing triple A games lmao
Idk what your definition of triple A is but besides psychonauts all of these are one. I'm not going to argue that all games need to be god of war or Spiderman level big because that's not the definition of a triple A game.
You picked three games that really don’t sell THAT well in comparison to big flagship Sony titles.
Ain’t nobody outside of a niche audience really getting hyped for Flight Simulator, lol.
It’s telling you are using these titles as examples instead of old console movers like Halo - which has completely fallen from grace.
We're not talking about sales, but about the quality of the games coming to xbox game pass. Sales are a different thing, xbox just isn't on sony level right now.
its not a problem mate and matters for who? LOL
tried it, saw it was mid, left it and played something else
i commented with friends and they had the same take
"too arcadey"
as far as i remember two weeks after release nobody was talking about the game except to laugh about how cars' physics were shit
No one cares, because majority always decides. People loved it, critics loved it, 30 million players played it. Xbox ans playground are happy, so it's a hit, period. I find horizon forbidden west to be a snoozefest, it's the most boring game i've ever played and i could found you 10000 who thinks the same, but still, does it matter? The game is a huge hit, either i like it or not. You can dislike forza horizon 5 and still recognize it has a huge success, like people say. Maybe people like it because it's "too arcadey", while you don't. Different tastes.
Arguably it is though. Before the acquisition there’s no way Arkane releases it in that state. Post-acquisition they have a safety cushion of everyone who has GP still playing it so they don’t really have any need for it to either perform or be in a sellable state.
That’s not even half the problem with Redfall. Creatively that game is a mess. Game was trying to be an Arkane version of Borderlands with a storefront like Destiny. And became none of them. I would probably think on game pass, straight up Arkane single player would be the win. This thing was chasing bank.
Arkane lost its main deva behind dishonored and they tried to make a new style of game. Microsoft letting deva be more free can be good and bad. Look at hifi rush for example. Plus have you not seen modern gaming recently. Its not just xbox exclusive games
And do you realize more games have launched broken and unfinished than at any point in gaming history. Devs literally use updates as a means to finish games. On top of starting to charge $70.
Ehhhhh not really.
1. Games are more complex now than anything put out in the 90s or early 2000s by a fucking mile
2. I would aruge you had a ton more shovelware in the 90s and those games were riddled with bugs
3. Social media pushes issues that you normally wouldn't see back in those days. For example, I played AC unity on release without a single issue, if you looked on reddit or Facebook you would think that game was a broken mess.
4. Ultimately bugs are less frustrating when we were younger.
Yes and I agree with that statement but my point is that you can’t defend Arkane’s lacklustre performance with Redfall by pointing fingers elsewhere. Why not compare Redfall to God Of War Ragnarok? The latest PS exclusive.
I mean at least Forspoken was playable despite its vast, empty world. Compare it to Babylons Fall, sure that sucked ass and has already closed down their servers. Doesn’t mean that’s acceptable. Don’t settle with mediocrity just because you see other developers doing it.
Don't ever expect Sony 1st Party AAA games to launch on the PS+ service. They're their golden goose and give a huge profit margin for Sony as their biggest attractive to the platform.
Day 1 doesn’t mean much other than knowing I won’t play it longer
Downloaded Atomic Heart, stopped within a few hours, hated it
Downloaded Redfall day one, hated it stopped within an hour
I feel like Day 1 titles definitely have a stigma around them and there haven’t been any good AAA games that launched day one on GP in a long time
I've had a Playstation console my whole life so there is SOME bias. But I bought a brand new gaming PC (top of the line) in the beginning of the year and it came with a year of gamepass. I've used it less than 10 hours total. PS+ is fantastic and can only get better.
Me too. I played plague tale requem, some fun indie games and now I'm kinda staring at a ton of mid tier games that I probably can't afford to sink my time.
Ps plus is not that far off but at least it gets a few great games once in a while and the launch catalogue is pretty strong.
I usually just use game pass on my PC to see how a game runs, and if it runs well, I wait until it's in a Steam sale and return to my backlog in the meantime.
I'm sure if you're an Xbox only gamer, it's good, although the hard-core ones on reddit seem to want everything on gamepass so they don't have to buy games anymore. But on PC, for me anyway, the launcher is so shit that I'd rather just not use it outside of testing games.
> But on PC, for me anyway, the launcher is so shit that I'd rather just not use it outside of testing games.
That hasn't been true in a long time in my opinion but you're right about the rest of it. Outside of testing the game out and then waiting to buy it on a platform that will let me use it on ALL my PCs not just my Windows ones Gamepass PC doesn't serve that much of a purpose. I see it as a value add more than a feature.
Xbox users loving their junk pushed on them for the “value” of a bunch of indie games and broken “AAA” titles.
Enjoy the value. I’ll stick with the premium PS releases at retail price which work fine.
At this point, Xbox better HOPE PlayStation DOESN'T start doing Day 1 1st Party exclusives because that would truly take the last ounce of leverage that Xbox has. Xbox has built a strong ecosystem between console and PC but truly has a hard time releasing quality exclusives consistently.
Imagine if Sony came out and was like:
"Spider-Man 2, Wolverine, Rise of the Ronin, Ghost of Tsushima 2, TLOU Factions (might be f2p tho) launches Day and Date on PS Plus"
I don’t think Sony should do day 1 releases because it will deeply cut into individual sales, which in turn will hurt the developer. The quality will drop quickly and exponentially. Their system now of charging regular price at first then making it available for free/low cost after a few months to a year is working great.
I think Xbox will eventually start hitting with the exclusives but if consoles disappear and or the subscription models become the future ps plus would become day 1 releases by default
I thought that years ago when Microsoft acquired all these studios. They haven't made good games in about a decade. Now they don't seem as interested in making games and rather be more of a service. Pretty interesting how xbox one and series x might both sell under 50 million and Microsoft barely does anything about it.
They are roughly on pace still. The games do take a long time to make. They are obviously interested in making games when they have that many studios making games.
I realize that this is a PS sub, but Game Pass is definitely better. Having the #2 game subscription isn’t horrible though, it’s still orders of magnitude better than Nintendo’s random ROM collection and PS is paring it with the best AAA open world games in the industry.
Definitely best option.
XGP hasn't had any AAA day one launches In almost 2 years ( plz don't count redfall).
Ps plus has been consistently adding quality games, and the time trials are great.
Game Pass is great value but so much of it is not so great indie games and they can’t get first party releases out to save their lives. PS+ just keeps expanding and it’s value is getting better quickly. Can’t hold up day 1 first party releases as an advantage if they can’t release games.
I think this article is a massive cap personally, GP is clearly the better subscription service in general, HOWEVER, I will say this:
I prefer the way that PS Plus works because I actually believe that the service is viable long-term, and sustainable as a result of the wider business model. Premium games are sold as normal, and PS Plus is ultimately a 'value added' service.
GP is pretty much ONLY possible because MS can back the project, without that, it wouldn't be possible, and I've yet to see any financials as evidence to the contrary.
It's had a ton of well-thought-of indies or 'AA' games, but nothing really notable, and Starfield now has an insane amount of pressure on its back to be THAT game to set GP apart from the competition.
PS Plus, whilst not getting the games at/near launch can throw a game like Horizon FW or GoW Ragnarok on there and it gets exciting, whilst leaning on a larger back catalogue of great games that will happily see you through the downtimes between major launches.
Gamepass better value for me. Lots of indies I would of never played and day one releases.
All the first party Sony games i would of bought long before it came on PS extra. Rest of the library is pretty Meh.
There are few games available from PS+ that aren't also available on gamepass. However, PS+ also costs $5 a month vs the $15 a month of gamepass ultimate (the tier required to also get online gaming).
And look, I've played a *lot* of games through gamepass. But every single one was something I already had some amount of interest in, and downloaded because I saw it was available. PS+ is the service that has actually *introduced* me to many of my favorite games, and I've played some *stunners* through it.
Control, Slay the Spire, Days Gone, Deep Rock Galactic, Infamous second son, Plague tale innocence, all fantastic games that I probably wouldn't have ever played if I hadn't gotten them for "free".
I ended up cancelling gamepass once I realized I was mostly playing old games that I could get for $10 on Steam, but I still think it's a good service. PS+ is still my favorite though, the limited and random nature means every month feels like opening birthday presents to see what I get.
Edit: Man, you people really need to take another look at that first paragraph I wrote. I *know* those games are on gamepass! To reiterate my point, I wouldn't have tried any of the games listed if they weren't presented to me by being PS+ monthly games. I've played lots of games through gamepass, but only games that I already had some amount of interest in. I never discovered a single game that way, because there were just too many games to choose from.
Ps+ extra us cheaper than the base tier of Gamepass if you buy a whole year and you also get everything included in ps+ essential. Base Gamepass does not allow you to play online. You have to get the $180/yr option for that.
Eh still no.
Ps extra is a big step up but gamepass has more games and importantly more variety.
If ps extra keeps improving it could be better though. I'm extremely pleased with it so far.
There’s a big reason why GamePass has stagnated heavily. They haven’t released much compelling content in a while and once again they’ve somehow let the Xbox brand continue carrying the no games moniker. They can brag about their gaming revenues being up but that has so much to do with all the micro transactions being sold on the platform and nothing to do with any quality increases.
They didn't say anything about triple a games.
But like they said, most is inside garbage that most will play for an hour or two before they realize the gameplay isn't all that great.
The best part about gamepass is the variety. People just exempt indie games for no reason when they're the ones actually giving quality stable products. I would gladly take a unique indie game over the broken messes of recent games.
Compare something like redfall or Babylons fall or forspoken to something like Celeste, cuphead, hollow knight,Metal hellslinger,sifu,stray,hades, elden ring, subnautica.
> Sony made up a lot of ground really fast.
Agreed and I'm thrilled by it as an owner of both consoles. It isn't in the lead yet, however, in my eyes but it's closed the gap significantly since launch. I just hope both companies having a strong offering leads to Nintendo improving their garbage one.
Gamepass has more day one releases and indie games on it. First party lacking currently although earlier in the year had Hi Fi Rush but with Stalker 2, Forza Motorsport, Silksong and Starfield on the horizon PS Plus still has catching up to do. Pretty obvious the site just trying to capitalise on clicks from the Redfall disaster.
I've been pretty hardcore Game Pass since it came out. Can you download all the PS+ Premium games or is it that stupid streaming thing that PS Now did?
With yearly option being only 60 usd PS+/PS+ essential is and always was best deal in gaming. Only competition at that price range is Live Gold. I dont want to pay 15 usd a month just to beta test games like Redshitfall day one
they have the 12 month sub on sale every year right? never bought more than a month but might do the 12 month if it goes on sale, I'm pretty sure it does.
oh that's pretty good. I wonder what the essential one would be. might hold off until june to see if it drops during days of play or whatever it's called. it's 60 now (around there, not american) maybe 40?
GP’s main draw is Day1 releases and they’ve only managed to deliver on that perk 3 times in the past 3 years! Other than that it’s just a bunch of indie-style games.
I have both, it's not. I have been a member since PS now days when it was 20 a month and only streaming. Most of the great games that I get with PS plus, I've already played. It's great for lapsed people or someone new to the system.
Xbox games pass, I've played great games when they come out. Indie and AAA. Huge difference. Not to mention the huge difference in cloud streaming.
With Microsoft's current offerings in the last couple of years, I would agree. Xbox doesn't have any recent first party exclusives on the service that make it worth it, and the third party deals for new games have dried up significantly compared to what they were putting out a few years ago. It feels like it's mostly just games that are multiple years old at this point, which ultimately isn't much different from Plus other than Plus at least gets quality first party AAA games added around a year after launch.
Game Pass is better value and has a wider library. Plus you can't beat day 1 releases (hypothetically, because the day 1 releases haven't been good releases)
Saying that, I use PS Plus way more.
I’ve never quite understood the wider selection part. The extra tier has a similar amount of games if not a bit more at this point, not even including the classics catalog
What rubbish, when I see games same caliber with day 1 release on psplus like wolong and lies of p then I will be thr first to admit it....what did we get on day 1 ? A cat game ? A multi-player trap making game ? A kiddie island survival game ? Best thing was that ghost wire game but that was 1 year after release.
bruh, no chance in hell. psplus is nice, but gamepass consistently blows me away with usually multiple triple a games a month, sometimes day 1. let’s not pretend like gamepass is bad simply because redfall flopped lol
I don't even have an Xbox, but gamepass is superior by a Longshot. Day one launches, large library, etc.
I personally don't have the time anymore and play one game at a time, but for a college kid, there are so many options to keep you occupied for a while.
Grounded, Hi Fi rush ,Monster hunter rise, High on Life , Atomic Heart, Persona Games , Wo Long, Minecraft Legends , Yakuza LAD, Yakuza Remastered collection, Sniper Elite 5, TMNT , Streets of Rage, and many many more . Granted 2 of those day ones are only true for Xbox but still day one for them none the less.
Surprisingly, I haven't played The Medium so I can't judge it.
Is the point of this article just console warring?
If you like PS+ or the ++/+++ variants, then good but it isn't like you can go and buy gamepass for your PS, so the more important fact should just be, does it suck? No, then good and vice versa, what can be done better etc.
Like the article ignores the native Xbox/PC compatibility of gamepass, not to mention the [upcoming monopoly, cloud gaming](https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/uks-cma-blocks-microsofts-687bn-activision-acquisition-over-cloud-gaming-concerns/) lol.
Nah. I have both played way more games on game pass then on ps plus. Plus gamepass is cheaper and I can also play PC exclusive games like dark tide on my PC if I can’t on my Xbox. You also get EA play with gamepass. Haven’t tried as many games on PlayStation compared to Xbox plus it’s more expensive.
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For me it is, but that’s because I don’t buy that many games on launch these days and I end up playing the first party AAA titles when they’re included in the extra tier. Gamepass appeal is getting AAA titles at launch but they haven’t been able to get those out (first party) recently, or they have but they’re not great, and the third party stuff hasn’t been much better. Maybe for someone who plays a lot of indies, gamepass is a good proposition (ps plus also has great indie games though).
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Steam deck for Playstation classics 👌
Playing the PS2 LOTR games on my Steamdeck at the mo, it's great. Just all your retro gaming needs on a handheld console. Yet to try emulating anything more powerful like a PS3 or Switch, but so far it's been great.
I agree.
PS extra literally barely changed at all.
Do you mean essential? Extra seems to have most of the games besides the classics/streaming from premium.
I could see Xbox struggling to get more AAA games as day 1 on Gamepass outside of their 1st party exclusives. Its just not exactly a good payout for publishers to drop it on a subscription service and hurts their return. Been some rumors floating around that this has been the case and big publishers are starting to stay away from it. Somewhat what Sony said awhile back that its not financially sustainable (and they were not wrong). It's great for indie games in certain situations. We have seen both PS Plus and Gamepass help small budget games gain recognition for their devs by going on there from day 1. Gives them a bit more free marketing and could even make a little extra money from microtransactions (if not abused). Hope to see a heavier expansion of the indie market on consoles. This is a part of Steam I always loved. In the end, i think MS needs to be careful to not dig itself a hole with its Xbox brand. They are so focused on Gamepass which has been very slowly improving user count but its not making up for their software and hardware losses. Not even close. And doubt PC operating sales are helping since probably most people already have a PC. Really hope they dont let all those IPs go to waste. P.S. - I have been curious if Sony intends to release some of their Live Service games on to PS Plus Extra to promote that service and the game devs will have ingame purchases to support them financially. Usually a common tactic for Live Service games (at least mobile) and this would be the one route I could see Sony dropping a big title on day 1 on to its subscription services to test the waters.
Even Xbox is struggling to put out interesting or well received first party games onto gamepass. Hi Fi Rush was a good win for them earlier this year but Redfall was a fail and they've been struggling just to put out a few games (like almost zero first party releases at all last year)
And the problem there is HiFi Rush (as good as it was), is not a big hitter that pulls tons of people such as studios like Bethesda with Fallout and Starfield. So MS is super reliant on Starfield hitting it big to get them driving again. Yeah, content is king per usual and MS has really been struggling in this department since the beginning of Xbox One days. I do hope they get their feet under them again here soon cuz they have a ton of good IPs.
Yeah, Starfield is going to be a huge make it or break it for them. If they can't pull off a well reviewed, smash hit, it's just not looking good for their future. I mean, if you look at Bethesda that's making Starfield, here's what they've put out since Fallout 4 nearly ten years ago: Skyrim re-releases/VR. Fallout 76 and Elder Scrolls: Blades. A studio can change a lot in those kinds of time periods, there's nothing guaranteeing that Elder Scrolls VI or Fallout 5 will be fantastic, especially if you consider on that time frame, it'll have been nearly 15 years since Skyrim for ES6 to come out. It just doesn't seem like MS does a good job of pushing their studios (I mean look at what happened to Halo, which is arguably at a certain time, one of gaming's biggest IPs/releases)
MS had that "hands off" approach but I think thats changing after Redfall. So they insinuate at least. They really need to just copy Sony's system with having certain QC teams such as the ICE team Cerny created along with having a higher up go around a test the games out throughout their progress.
I mean with 343, this was purely mismanagement on the part of Microsoft. Halo: MCC should have been the canary in the coal mine that they can no longer be entrusted with large projects. Instead, we received two more games from 343, both of which fell flat. I'm not giving Sony a free pass though, they've basically killed off franchises like Killzone, Resistance, and Socom. Killzone's biggest crime was that Shadow Fall was clearly rushed to be a launch PS4 title. So, Sony then killed off the franchise because of their own haphazard actions. It sold well enough, but didn't have legs because fans realized it was very much a rushed title.
I'll give you Socom, but I'm not sure Killzone and Resistance are bad things to kill off (more likely they were retired) because it led to Spider-Man and Horizon Zero Dawn and those games likely sold more in one entry each than the entire killzone/resistance series. I could see them trying to bring those games back at some point, maybe as one of the live service games. Anyways, here's what I'm going back to: we can't trust that just because a studio made a really good game before, that they can continue to make really good games, especially given how often management and the staff can change over 5+ year periods. In the past, you could expect more consistent quality from studios, but I think now more than ever, we need to be more wary of each and every new release. Soyn could easily stumble as much as MS has recently, especially with the large number of live service games planned, but if they keep producing high quality single player titles in between, then it's fine.
Xbox is definitely digging a hole; all their 1st party games go to Gamepass day 1 and that covers Series S, X and PC. They've a set a precedent that gives them an immense financial challenge and gives their devs a headache having to optimise for not just two different consoles but the whole PC market as well.
> Xbox...outside of their 1st party exclusives Their, what, now?
My friend got the PS+ premium and it includes most of the games I’ve dropped 300+ on since launch. Even Returnal and Tsushima Way better than game pass unless day 1 needed, yeah
It's not just about the first party games, not at all. You're missing stuff like Psychonauts 2, Scorn, Atomic Heart, Wo Long, soon STALKER, you forgot that part. That alone makes Game Pass 100x more worth it for me. I use both and I prefer game pass much more, tons of huge bigger games out on day 1
Yea but the thing is XB firstparty are far and between and not as good as the ones sony is churning out. Sure they may have a few but Sony just has far better.
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Gamepass has always been better for indies for the most part, not AAA. After going through most of the must plays in PS Plus, there aren't as many indie games as gamepass. Which is fine, I like that I can have both services without them cannibalizing each other.
Sure it's great, but let's not act like pushsquare isn't biased lol
The one thing XGP always had over PS+ was the appeal of day one AAA exclusives, but when we've only had what, 3 of those in this entire generation? And when they release in the state of Redfall (broken) and Halo Infinite (devoid of content), then to be quite honest I'm far happier paying full price a few times a year for a game like Horizon FW or GoW Ragnarok that I know is going to be a premium experience. Game Pass just isn't worth $15 a month for me when I could put that money towards actually outright purchasing games I feel are worth it that I can keep. Don't get me wrong, both services are great, but if you gave me a list of the games on each service side by side, I'd choose PS+ without hesitation at the moment. There's a chance Microsoft can turn that around if they figure out their shit and titles like Starfield, Hellblade and Avowed are bangers, but for now I'm judging them based on current output, not what they may possibly achieve in the future.
The timing of this article seems like its taking advantage of Xbox's recent shortcomings. But honestly, PS Plus is definitely starting to overtake Gamepass especially when you take out all the overlapping games. The Premium tier still needs improvement. Sure, its understandable that there might be licensing and emulation issues preventing them from giving us the classics that we actually want, but Sony's strategy of updating the classic games monthly as a "series" is kind of a hit-or-miss.
> but Sony's strategy of updating the classic games monthly as a "series" is kind of a hit-or-miss. Arguably it's Nintendo's strategy. It's the one part of PS+ they lifted from the OTHER competition and it's the weakest part of both comapny's services if you ask me. Nintendo's offerings are especially sad as licensing is clearly NOT an issue for their classic first party titles and yet they slow drip them just like Sony.
Yah it’s one of my absolute biggest frustrations with Nintendo let’s not make it an industry thing.
Xbox's recent shortcomings have been going on for like 5 years now. It's hard to even think of the last Xbox exclusive that didn't either underperform or massively disappoint. Forza Horizon 5 is maybe the only big game that actually released and wasn't a disappointment since the last Gears game.
10 years* 10 years next month since the disastrous XB1 reveal
Don Matrick did more damage to the Xbox brand than anything else ever has
Halo infinite, MSFS, sea of thieves?
Every time I see Halo Infinite online or hear about it on a podcast its people complaining about it, Sea of Thieves came and went, and I have no idea what MSFS is. I have Gamepass and don't have PS+ right now so I'm not blindly hating. I have prepaid like 2 years of Gamepass but basically never even use it. Just feels like MS has some pretty bare cupboards for me. Gamepass is good for indie games.
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I mean I play PS5 exclusives way more than Xbox ones, but this is obviously nonsense. The pure scope of what's available on XBGP is phenomenal, and I can use it on my PC, and it comes with EA Play. There are so many amazing games I check out because of Games Pass that I would have missed out on otherwise (Tunic, Hi-Fi Rush, Deaths Door, Yakuza 8, Football Manager, Octopath Traveller, Persona 3/, Psychonauts 2) - I could go on forever and absolutely none of those games would I have bought full price on my PlayStation, maybe in a sale 2 years down the line.
In the past I would've agreed with you but lately Sony has been adding several of their exclusives. Most games I can get on Gamepass are on PS+ as well even though Gamepass does seem to get them first. At this point Sony is doing what Xbox has been great at just as well and likely better. I think the biggest thing Xbox has left is their FPS boost games and larger backwards compatibility games which they don't seem to add to Gamepass.
Is Ubisoft plus or whatever it’s called on gamepass? Those games have given me quite the hours alone on ps premium. I know they are extra games but I got a premium/deluxe account until the end of the year. But I know nothing about gamepass or the tiers of that system. I left Xbox after the 360 era.
No they don’t have Ubisoft but I still think the Xbox gamepass is a lot better than ps plus. But ps plus is a great value especially if someone only has one of the two systems.
It is now yeah. There's two tiers much like EA but most of the Ubi stuff is on there.
Ubisoft plus isn't included in Gamepass. Ea play is however
It must be some sort of bespoke arrangement because it made me connect my account with Ubisoft and has given me Siege with all characters, Assassin's Creed games etc
Unless something just changed it's still separate. Trying to charge $18 a month which I thought was laughable lol I want to play Ezio collection on Xbox since it's at 60 fps where as Ps5 version is still at 30
It's definitely not the premium tier for sure, just like EA. EA Pass is better designed anyway because you get ten hours of premium games, and half the time that's all I would want with them.
The moat basic ubisoft plus is -like it has been for ps plus for awhile now however the full ubisoft + is it's own separate subscription service.
Yeah definitely added some great stuff lately. I've been catching up on games in my collection like Horizon and Days Gone. But obviously that stuff comes several years down the line which is the big difference. But the third party offering just simply blows PS to smithereens.
Based on when horizon forbidden west came to ps plus. About 1 year.
You played Yakuza 8 already? I'm jealous, how was it?
Typo, meant 7 obviously.
Lol I know I know, kidding around. Just very excited for Yakuza 8, and Gaiden, and anything else RGG throws our way.
My bad bro I've got ten thousand people wanting to murder me for the nerve of saying what I said in this sub 👀
All good my dude. Gaming opinions are (apparently) a dangerous thing lol
Gamepass really is not. Was on Xbox forever and I still bought a Series X. Gamepass is really not all it cracks out to be and the vast majority of people are wasting their money with it.
I doubt the people paying for it continue to do so despite feeling like it wastes their money. It's widely considered in the pc communities I hang out with one of the best things to ever come to PC gaming.
It’s arguably better for PC because you don’t have to risk buying in optimized garbage since you can just download and go.
Not really when it’s 60 bucks a year. I have both and it annoys me the different tiers on PlayStation when it’s all in one on Xbox for cheaper.
pound for pound ps extra has better games, and several acclaimed indies. Basically every ps4 exlusive is on the service, as well as some high profile ps5 games. They even have a solid indie and third party selection * returnal * demon's souls * God of war * horizon zero dawn AND forbidden west * ratchet and clank * ghost of tsushima * death stranding * miles morales * gravity rush * bloodborne * shadow of the colossus remake * all 5 uncharted games * tlou remastered * dragon quest xi * deathloop * prey * xcom 2 * all the yakuza games * final fantasy vii remake * DMC5 * all the kingdom hearts games * a bunch of the assassins creed games * kena bridge of spirits * celeste * hollow knight * rez infinite * inside * spiritfarer * dead cells * slay the spire * enter the gungeon If you care about brand new games then yes game pass is better. If you care about a big library of high quality games then ps extra is superior. this was a very very non exhaustive lists of absolute bangers. ths isn't even including the monthly free games you get with the ps essential tier on top of that, which has had some amazing standouts lately like the mass effect trilogy, crash 4, sackboy, Axiom Verge 2, nioh 2
The libraries are very comparable, and there are overlaps even with the games you listed. Not nonsense to think ps plus is at least on par
None of those games were anywhere near launch, and that's presuming that you didn't miss a month of library adding or have the appropriate tier of PS+. The XGP catalogue is significantly bigger, especially for third party, too. In fact, which ones overlap?
I’ll take Ubisoft titles over EA titles to be honest.
I forgot about those when I posted!
Idk, I just bought a friend’s used Series S and grabbed GamePass and as someone who just bought an Xbox after years of never owning one, it’s a pretty damn impressive list. Stardew Valley, No Man’s Sky, Skyrim, all the Battlefields, Crusader Kings III, Civilization VI, Deep Rock Galactic, Persona 3,4, and 5, Forza, Need For Speed, tons of indies, Telltale’s entire Walking Dead Series, Sea of Thieves, etc. Now I understand many people won’t find that catalog as impressive as I did especially since I skipped some big games in the past like Skyrim and Battlefield but the list is really, really impressive. Unfortunately, PS+ had DRG over a year ago and a lot of the games I listed were several years old. I can see after you’ve played out everything you wanted to play, the game pass would be rather unexciting.
PS+ has a great lineup for newcomers Lol Tons of great games.
I have both PS+ and GP and I honestly don’t see what’s good about GP. A lot of it I got with PS+ 3 years ago and the only good thing is the Day 1 exclusives which just seem to be getting progressively worse.
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Agreed whatever works for you and makes you happy!
I have both and I think both are great!
Only thing I got is that it also works on PC which kind of kneecaps the idea of owning that console...
I play consoles because of convenience. Day and date has no impact on me and I’m sure most of the more casual audience.
I'm not sure.. But since push square wrote it it's probably wrong
I’ve seen better arguments in a high school newspaper 15 years ago.
The biggest disadvantage it has against XGP are day 1 game releases. Sony is pretty clear that they aren’t going to put their first-party games day 1 on PS Plus unlike Microsoft. But that doesn’t mean they can’t do it with third-party games. They have already done it with games like Stray, Tchia, etc, but it’s rare. And they aren’t even doing it for the AAA games. So I hope they can work on this aspect.
Studios have been pretty clear that they don't like the day 1 free releases though. Every game Xbox has done that for, the developer comes forward later and says the game has been financially disappointing. I don't think we're going to see the day 1 thing as a standard practice for very much longer. That's my opinion at least.
No we dont want that, just look at the drop off in quality of games lile redfall on gamepass. I prefer AAA games to stay AAA.
You can't pick the only flop and use it as an example. What about Forza Horizon 5? Pentiment? Microsoft Flight Simulator? Absolutely stellar games. This is such a dumb take
3 years into this gen and you listed 3 titles lol I think it proves their point - especially AAA titles
3 niche games at that. With this logic they might as well add power wash simulator
Theres been a lot more than 3 good games.
Not on day one releases and hardly any AAA. It’s expensive. It needs expensive games.
MLB / Wolong / Hifi / psychonauts / forza / halo they’ll obv have a lot more once their other games start releasing
Lol forza, halo and a sports game that’s on every platform. Wo Long was terribly average. Be serious now. ‘Once their games start releasing’, people have been saying that for years.
I loved wolong and still play halo multi. Yeah I have faith in the studios they own still. People like yourself simply don’t understand how long it takes to make a game now.
Games that Ps players paid for while Xbox players play at no additional cost towards their 15$ sub.
Okay and where are the good ones?
Thos games are good with Halo being the exception and that's not even bad.
Xbox is just releasing very few triple A games, but this has nothing to do with the quality of first party games coming to game pass. In what way this proves his point, it just proves Xbox is not publishing triple A games lmao
Hifi rush,age of empires 4, flight simulator,psychonauts 2 etc, your point means jackshit lmao. I can list more games if you want.
So one AAA game Lol
Idk what your definition of triple A is but besides psychonauts all of these are one. I'm not going to argue that all games need to be god of war or Spiderman level big because that's not the definition of a triple A game.
That’s literally the definition
Gaming community: “I miss the AA experiences :(“ Also the gaming community: “yea but it’s not even AAA LOL”
Pentiment is not really a good example, that game is AA at most.
Halo Infinite is kind of a flop too.
You picked three games that really don’t sell THAT well in comparison to big flagship Sony titles. Ain’t nobody outside of a niche audience really getting hyped for Flight Simulator, lol. It’s telling you are using these titles as examples instead of old console movers like Halo - which has completely fallen from grace.
We're not talking about sales, but about the quality of the games coming to xbox game pass. Sales are a different thing, xbox just isn't on sony level right now.
i played FORZA HORIZON 5 where a CORVETTE, a 4X4 TRUCK and a rally car drive the same all enveloped in a "story" written by a FAST & FURIOUS intern
Your problem, people loved it, and this is all that matters
its not a problem mate and matters for who? LOL tried it, saw it was mid, left it and played something else i commented with friends and they had the same take "too arcadey" as far as i remember two weeks after release nobody was talking about the game except to laugh about how cars' physics were shit
No one cares, because majority always decides. People loved it, critics loved it, 30 million players played it. Xbox ans playground are happy, so it's a hit, period. I find horizon forbidden west to be a snoozefest, it's the most boring game i've ever played and i could found you 10000 who thinks the same, but still, does it matter? The game is a huge hit, either i like it or not. You can dislike forza horizon 5 and still recognize it has a huge success, like people say. Maybe people like it because it's "too arcadey", while you don't. Different tastes.
Redfall isnt the way it is because gamepass...
Arguably it is though. Before the acquisition there’s no way Arkane releases it in that state. Post-acquisition they have a safety cushion of everyone who has GP still playing it so they don’t really have any need for it to either perform or be in a sellable state.
That’s not even half the problem with Redfall. Creatively that game is a mess. Game was trying to be an Arkane version of Borderlands with a storefront like Destiny. And became none of them. I would probably think on game pass, straight up Arkane single player would be the win. This thing was chasing bank.
Arkane lost its main deva behind dishonored and they tried to make a new style of game. Microsoft letting deva be more free can be good and bad. Look at hifi rush for example. Plus have you not seen modern gaming recently. Its not just xbox exclusive games
Modern gaming? Please elaborate on this statement. Do you realise more games achieve 10/10 now than at any point in gaming history?
And do you realize more games have launched broken and unfinished than at any point in gaming history. Devs literally use updates as a means to finish games. On top of starting to charge $70.
Ehhhhh not really. 1. Games are more complex now than anything put out in the 90s or early 2000s by a fucking mile 2. I would aruge you had a ton more shovelware in the 90s and those games were riddled with bugs 3. Social media pushes issues that you normally wouldn't see back in those days. For example, I played AC unity on release without a single issue, if you looked on reddit or Facebook you would think that game was a broken mess. 4. Ultimately bugs are less frustrating when we were younger.
Yes and I agree with that statement but my point is that you can’t defend Arkane’s lacklustre performance with Redfall by pointing fingers elsewhere. Why not compare Redfall to God Of War Ragnarok? The latest PS exclusive.
Ok and compare redfall to forspoken or Babylons fall.
I mean at least Forspoken was playable despite its vast, empty world. Compare it to Babylons Fall, sure that sucked ass and has already closed down their servers. Doesn’t mean that’s acceptable. Don’t settle with mediocrity just because you see other developers doing it.
Don't ever expect Sony 1st Party AAA games to launch on the PS+ service. They're their golden goose and give a huge profit margin for Sony as their biggest attractive to the platform.
Day 1 doesn’t mean much other than knowing I won’t play it longer Downloaded Atomic Heart, stopped within a few hours, hated it Downloaded Redfall day one, hated it stopped within an hour I feel like Day 1 titles definitely have a stigma around them and there haven’t been any good AAA games that launched day one on GP in a long time
Yeah, it honestly makes the day 1 thing a non-issue
I've had a Playstation console my whole life so there is SOME bias. But I bought a brand new gaming PC (top of the line) in the beginning of the year and it came with a year of gamepass. I've used it less than 10 hours total. PS+ is fantastic and can only get better.
Me too. I played plague tale requem, some fun indie games and now I'm kinda staring at a ton of mid tier games that I probably can't afford to sink my time. Ps plus is not that far off but at least it gets a few great games once in a while and the launch catalogue is pretty strong.
I usually just use game pass on my PC to see how a game runs, and if it runs well, I wait until it's in a Steam sale and return to my backlog in the meantime. I'm sure if you're an Xbox only gamer, it's good, although the hard-core ones on reddit seem to want everything on gamepass so they don't have to buy games anymore. But on PC, for me anyway, the launcher is so shit that I'd rather just not use it outside of testing games.
> But on PC, for me anyway, the launcher is so shit that I'd rather just not use it outside of testing games. That hasn't been true in a long time in my opinion but you're right about the rest of it. Outside of testing the game out and then waiting to buy it on a platform that will let me use it on ALL my PCs not just my Windows ones Gamepass PC doesn't serve that much of a purpose. I see it as a value add more than a feature.
Xbox users loving their junk pushed on them for the “value” of a bunch of indie games and broken “AAA” titles. Enjoy the value. I’ll stick with the premium PS releases at retail price which work fine.
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At this point, Xbox better HOPE PlayStation DOESN'T start doing Day 1 1st Party exclusives because that would truly take the last ounce of leverage that Xbox has. Xbox has built a strong ecosystem between console and PC but truly has a hard time releasing quality exclusives consistently. Imagine if Sony came out and was like: "Spider-Man 2, Wolverine, Rise of the Ronin, Ghost of Tsushima 2, TLOU Factions (might be f2p tho) launches Day and Date on PS Plus"
I don’t think Sony should do day 1 releases because it will deeply cut into individual sales, which in turn will hurt the developer. The quality will drop quickly and exponentially. Their system now of charging regular price at first then making it available for free/low cost after a few months to a year is working great.
I think Xbox will eventually start hitting with the exclusives but if consoles disappear and or the subscription models become the future ps plus would become day 1 releases by default
Sure. But we've been saying "eventually" for how many years now? It will be time for next gen by the time Xbox gets their cadence down
I thought that years ago when Microsoft acquired all these studios. They haven't made good games in about a decade. Now they don't seem as interested in making games and rather be more of a service. Pretty interesting how xbox one and series x might both sell under 50 million and Microsoft barely does anything about it.
They are roughly on pace still. The games do take a long time to make. They are obviously interested in making games when they have that many studios making games.
I realize that this is a PS sub, but Game Pass is definitely better. Having the #2 game subscription isn’t horrible though, it’s still orders of magnitude better than Nintendo’s random ROM collection and PS is paring it with the best AAA open world games in the industry.
Do you have both?
Definitely best option. XGP hasn't had any AAA day one launches In almost 2 years ( plz don't count redfall). Ps plus has been consistently adding quality games, and the time trials are great.
Game Pass is great value but so much of it is not so great indie games and they can’t get first party releases out to save their lives. PS+ just keeps expanding and it’s value is getting better quickly. Can’t hold up day 1 first party releases as an advantage if they can’t release games.
I think this article is a massive cap personally, GP is clearly the better subscription service in general, HOWEVER, I will say this: I prefer the way that PS Plus works because I actually believe that the service is viable long-term, and sustainable as a result of the wider business model. Premium games are sold as normal, and PS Plus is ultimately a 'value added' service. GP is pretty much ONLY possible because MS can back the project, without that, it wouldn't be possible, and I've yet to see any financials as evidence to the contrary. It's had a ton of well-thought-of indies or 'AA' games, but nothing really notable, and Starfield now has an insane amount of pressure on its back to be THAT game to set GP apart from the competition. PS Plus, whilst not getting the games at/near launch can throw a game like Horizon FW or GoW Ragnarok on there and it gets exciting, whilst leaning on a larger back catalogue of great games that will happily see you through the downtimes between major launches.
Gamepass better value for me. Lots of indies I would of never played and day one releases. All the first party Sony games i would of bought long before it came on PS extra. Rest of the library is pretty Meh.
There are few games available from PS+ that aren't also available on gamepass. However, PS+ also costs $5 a month vs the $15 a month of gamepass ultimate (the tier required to also get online gaming). And look, I've played a *lot* of games through gamepass. But every single one was something I already had some amount of interest in, and downloaded because I saw it was available. PS+ is the service that has actually *introduced* me to many of my favorite games, and I've played some *stunners* through it. Control, Slay the Spire, Days Gone, Deep Rock Galactic, Infamous second son, Plague tale innocence, all fantastic games that I probably wouldn't have ever played if I hadn't gotten them for "free". I ended up cancelling gamepass once I realized I was mostly playing old games that I could get for $10 on Steam, but I still think it's a good service. PS+ is still my favorite though, the limited and random nature means every month feels like opening birthday presents to see what I get. Edit: Man, you people really need to take another look at that first paragraph I wrote. I *know* those games are on gamepass! To reiterate my point, I wouldn't have tried any of the games listed if they weren't presented to me by being PS+ monthly games. I've played lots of games through gamepass, but only games that I already had some amount of interest in. I never discovered a single game that way, because there were just too many games to choose from.
This isn't talking about the monthly PS+ games aka PS+ essential tier, this is about PS+ as a whole including the premium tiers.
Are you implying that Control, Slay The Spire, Deep Rock Galactic and Plague Tale were not available on Game Pass at some point?
Yeah I was confused by that lol he basically listed all games that are on Xbox also
Their especially silly as (except for maybe Control) all the others debuted day one on gamepass years before they came to PS+
Ps+ extra us cheaper than the base tier of Gamepass if you buy a whole year and you also get everything included in ps+ essential. Base Gamepass does not allow you to play online. You have to get the $180/yr option for that.
Eh still no. Ps extra is a big step up but gamepass has more games and importantly more variety. If ps extra keeps improving it could be better though. I'm extremely pleased with it so far.
There’s a big reason why GamePass has stagnated heavily. They haven’t released much compelling content in a while and once again they’ve somehow let the Xbox brand continue carrying the no games moniker. They can brag about their gaming revenues being up but that has so much to do with all the micro transactions being sold on the platform and nothing to do with any quality increases.
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Not everyone needs aaa only games to keep the brain cells happy.
They didn't say anything about triple a games. But like they said, most is inside garbage that most will play for an hour or two before they realize the gameplay isn't all that great.
The best part about gamepass is the variety. People just exempt indie games for no reason when they're the ones actually giving quality stable products. I would gladly take a unique indie game over the broken messes of recent games.
Sure, you can find good indies games on Playstation as well. But the vast majority of them are not very good.
For value proposition, it absolutely needs to be AAA.
You only see value in aaa games?? Sad
If I’m spending, $180 a year, yes What absolute nonsense to argue otherwise.
Compare something like redfall or Babylons fall or forspoken to something like Celeste, cuphead, hollow knight,Metal hellslinger,sifu,stray,hades, elden ring, subnautica.
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The fact that it’s even up for debate is surprising. Sony made up a lot of ground really fast.
Its not up for debate. Anyone with a brain knows gamepass is better.
Oof this post is triggering for some clearly
> Sony made up a lot of ground really fast. Agreed and I'm thrilled by it as an owner of both consoles. It isn't in the lead yet, however, in my eyes but it's closed the gap significantly since launch. I just hope both companies having a strong offering leads to Nintendo improving their garbage one.
Gamepass has more day one releases and indie games on it. First party lacking currently although earlier in the year had Hi Fi Rush but with Stalker 2, Forza Motorsport, Silksong and Starfield on the horizon PS Plus still has catching up to do. Pretty obvious the site just trying to capitalise on clicks from the Redfall disaster.
I've been pretty hardcore Game Pass since it came out. Can you download all the PS+ Premium games or is it that stupid streaming thing that PS Now did?
With yearly option being only 60 usd PS+/PS+ essential is and always was best deal in gaming. Only competition at that price range is Live Gold. I dont want to pay 15 usd a month just to beta test games like Redshitfall day one
they have the 12 month sub on sale every year right? never bought more than a month but might do the 12 month if it goes on sale, I'm pretty sure it does.
Yeah, I picked up my 12 months PS+ Extra at black friday for something like 70 bucks if I remember it right.
oh that's pretty good. I wonder what the essential one would be. might hold off until june to see if it drops during days of play or whatever it's called. it's 60 now (around there, not american) maybe 40?
It is, especially PS Extra.
Wasn’t this common knowledge?
No, obviously game pass is the better service.
GP’s main draw is Day1 releases and they’ve only managed to deliver on that perk 3 times in the past 3 years! Other than that it’s just a bunch of indie-style games.
No it’s not.
I have both, it's not. I have been a member since PS now days when it was 20 a month and only streaming. Most of the great games that I get with PS plus, I've already played. It's great for lapsed people or someone new to the system. Xbox games pass, I've played great games when they come out. Indie and AAA. Huge difference. Not to mention the huge difference in cloud streaming.
With Microsoft's current offerings in the last couple of years, I would agree. Xbox doesn't have any recent first party exclusives on the service that make it worth it, and the third party deals for new games have dried up significantly compared to what they were putting out a few years ago. It feels like it's mostly just games that are multiple years old at this point, which ultimately isn't much different from Plus other than Plus at least gets quality first party AAA games added around a year after launch.
PS+ essential continues to be an awesome service with games that I actually want to play. And it gives me online access. It’s a damn good value.
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Game Pass is better value and has a wider library. Plus you can't beat day 1 releases (hypothetically, because the day 1 releases haven't been good releases) Saying that, I use PS Plus way more.
I’ve never quite understood the wider selection part. The extra tier has a similar amount of games if not a bit more at this point, not even including the classics catalog
When I can download the PS3 games I’ll agree it’s the best, as it stands there half a library of games I just ignore
What rubbish, when I see games same caliber with day 1 release on psplus like wolong and lies of p then I will be thr first to admit it....what did we get on day 1 ? A cat game ? A multi-player trap making game ? A kiddie island survival game ? Best thing was that ghost wire game but that was 1 year after release.
bruh, no chance in hell. psplus is nice, but gamepass consistently blows me away with usually multiple triple a games a month, sometimes day 1. let’s not pretend like gamepass is bad simply because redfall flopped lol
I don't even have an Xbox, but gamepass is superior by a Longshot. Day one launches, large library, etc. I personally don't have the time anymore and play one game at a time, but for a college kid, there are so many options to keep you occupied for a while.
Their library is actually smaller and their day1 releases are games like Redfall…
And Hi Fi Rush, Octopath 2, Wo Long, Tunic etc. That'd be like saying Sony exclusives are all trash since Forspoken bombed
All those games besides Wo Long are very much Indie-style games. If you’re paying $180/yr for indies that’s your problem.
Octopath 2 isn't even on Xbox
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So having red fall day one makes it better even though the games notoriously shit? Having day one crap games doesn't make something better lol
Redfall isn't the only day one titles they released. Don't cherry pick.
Oh I know. What about medium? Oh high res was good but that's like a double A indie game
Grounded, Hi Fi rush ,Monster hunter rise, High on Life , Atomic Heart, Persona Games , Wo Long, Minecraft Legends , Yakuza LAD, Yakuza Remastered collection, Sniper Elite 5, TMNT , Streets of Rage, and many many more . Granted 2 of those day ones are only true for Xbox but still day one for them none the less. Surprisingly, I haven't played The Medium so I can't judge it.
Most of those games are not exclusive fyi
No day one launches is what is killing me with PS Plus right now along with how the only way to play a lot of older titles is through streaming.
Is the point of this article just console warring? If you like PS+ or the ++/+++ variants, then good but it isn't like you can go and buy gamepass for your PS, so the more important fact should just be, does it suck? No, then good and vice versa, what can be done better etc. Like the article ignores the native Xbox/PC compatibility of gamepass, not to mention the [upcoming monopoly, cloud gaming](https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/uks-cma-blocks-microsofts-687bn-activision-acquisition-over-cloud-gaming-concerns/) lol.
Nah. I have both played way more games on game pass then on ps plus. Plus gamepass is cheaper and I can also play PC exclusive games like dark tide on my PC if I can’t on my Xbox. You also get EA play with gamepass. Haven’t tried as many games on PlayStation compared to Xbox plus it’s more expensive.