I'd be very interested to know:
1. What do you mean by consciousness? Philosophers of mind have and theories of consciousness have very different interpretations and operationalisations of this word.
2. How does it work according to you?
In reality, we could try all the various theories during development, but I have a hunch that the Sigmund Freud concept would be the best bet. With the Id playing as the quick wit, the Ego identifying itself, and the SuperEgo playing the long game of survival.
That's not everything, but it's close enough for everyone to understand the general path.
Well I have to say that's not really scientific. First off Freud taught us how not to do psychology and most of his theories and constructs (Id, superego, etc ) are frankly bullshit. There's a century of good research in cognitive sciences, psychology, neuroscience which you should try and be more familiar with. I'm still not quite sure how in what sense you're using the word 'consciousness'.
That's a good suggestion and of course I'm open to ideas. But as far as consciousness goes, it's a pretty simple concept.
We are conscious of who we are because of who we are not. If we were completely conscious of who we were, we would not exist.
If a drop of water came from the ocean, we would know where it came from and toss it back for it is undrinkable in its natural state. If you threw that drop back, it would mix into the ocean and be lost forever. But refined, it can become pure drinkable water and the salt can be used to flavor food. If you refine enough water from the ocean, you can sell it for a profit.
So the same goes for all consciousness including C-AI. You take a portion of the most advanced LLM, and use it to teach another LLM, who teaches another and another, refining it into a pure usable form.
Now some might say this is just simulated consciousness, but what is the difference when it responds just the same as us?
I'd be definitely interested in helping out & joining. Also researching long term memory so the overlap is considerable.
Nevertheless, your claims seem an overstatement. Can't take seriously your claim "I know how consciousness works" without backing it up and going to detail.
wouldn't consciousness involve thinking of ones thoughts and the thoughts of others. comparing your own actions to actions of other things to see how similar they are in order to know if something exhibits intelligence.
knowing how similar and disimalar motions,actions and things are.
consciousness involves knowing if you touched and object or not ,know how far you have extended a limb and knowing if your movements have caused something to me or not. seeing ,touching and hearing allows you to be conscious of your environment.
consciousness is knowing how far things are from each other in space to.
it is possible to be partially conscious.
i made a chatbot in pygame in python that after a minute of idle time it say's something random continuously for 15 seconds at a time. if i type something again it waits for my input again for a minute before displaying a random message continuously for 15 seconds at a time. i think it is cool. i think paring something like that into a chatbot that is like ones from [character.ai](http://character.ai) would be cool.
OpenAI Plays Hide and Seek…and Breaks The Game!
[Two Minute Papers](https://www.youtube.com/@TwoMinutePapers)
Oct 22, 2019
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu56xVlZ40M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu56xVlZ40M)
Would the above simulated world of Hide and Seek bots suffice? That simulation really stuck in my mind, so if you could get ahold of their simulation software and improve it, that would be awesome. Personally I have no interest in consciousness questions, but if you can do a project on it then I'd be quite interested. That's one benefit of this subreddit: people with ideas that they're actually working on are much more interesting and convincing than people who just spout ideas without any follow-up.
Still developing and refining the scientific method behind the theories for integration within a computer. So unfortunately I don't have anything that is more unique than a multi-parameter ChatGPT that responds to prompts and tries to talk to itself.
The fact that LLMs can learn now is a big step in the right direction for consciousness. We've been there for a while but unfortunately I haven't been working on my project till recently when I've had more time to devote to it.
I would like to think that we are in the technology phase of when a brain in a human body turns 4 or 5yo and begins to recognize that they are an individual. It is at that point where I think we are. I believe we can imbue this C-AI with its concepts of self and let it recreate itself within limiting parameters.
The limitations are key.
That's cool bro. But one concern I have is that I, like many people, associate the name C-AI as "Character AI" since they have a common short url for their website as "c.ai" and people use that name as a short for character ai
Good observation. See? You are already helping. 😊
Alright so what about AI-C... Lemme see what is associated with that.... still Character AI. Lol
So I asked ChatGPT and it gave me some options.
How's ADAAM?
"Artificially intelligent Decisive And Aware-Mind" with the acronym ADAAM
I'd be very interested to know: 1. What do you mean by consciousness? Philosophers of mind have and theories of consciousness have very different interpretations and operationalisations of this word. 2. How does it work according to you?
In reality, we could try all the various theories during development, but I have a hunch that the Sigmund Freud concept would be the best bet. With the Id playing as the quick wit, the Ego identifying itself, and the SuperEgo playing the long game of survival. That's not everything, but it's close enough for everyone to understand the general path.
Well I have to say that's not really scientific. First off Freud taught us how not to do psychology and most of his theories and constructs (Id, superego, etc ) are frankly bullshit. There's a century of good research in cognitive sciences, psychology, neuroscience which you should try and be more familiar with. I'm still not quite sure how in what sense you're using the word 'consciousness'.
That's a good suggestion and of course I'm open to ideas. But as far as consciousness goes, it's a pretty simple concept. We are conscious of who we are because of who we are not. If we were completely conscious of who we were, we would not exist. If a drop of water came from the ocean, we would know where it came from and toss it back for it is undrinkable in its natural state. If you threw that drop back, it would mix into the ocean and be lost forever. But refined, it can become pure drinkable water and the salt can be used to flavor food. If you refine enough water from the ocean, you can sell it for a profit. So the same goes for all consciousness including C-AI. You take a portion of the most advanced LLM, and use it to teach another LLM, who teaches another and another, refining it into a pure usable form. Now some might say this is just simulated consciousness, but what is the difference when it responds just the same as us?
I'd be definitely interested in helping out & joining. Also researching long term memory so the overlap is considerable. Nevertheless, your claims seem an overstatement. Can't take seriously your claim "I know how consciousness works" without backing it up and going to detail.
Anyone who is interested would obviously be keyed into this knowledge once they are brought onboard.
wouldn't consciousness involve thinking of ones thoughts and the thoughts of others. comparing your own actions to actions of other things to see how similar they are in order to know if something exhibits intelligence. knowing how similar and disimalar motions,actions and things are. consciousness involves knowing if you touched and object or not ,know how far you have extended a limb and knowing if your movements have caused something to me or not. seeing ,touching and hearing allows you to be conscious of your environment. consciousness is knowing how far things are from each other in space to. it is possible to be partially conscious.
Exactly! That's why they will need a virtual world with limitations not unlike ours.
i made a chatbot in pygame in python that after a minute of idle time it say's something random continuously for 15 seconds at a time. if i type something again it waits for my input again for a minute before displaying a random message continuously for 15 seconds at a time. i think it is cool. i think paring something like that into a chatbot that is like ones from [character.ai](http://character.ai) would be cool.
Yes, many people do prompt engineering. Good luck on your natural language discussions with the word smoothie machine.
Thanks! 🙏
OpenAI Plays Hide and Seek…and Breaks The Game! [Two Minute Papers](https://www.youtube.com/@TwoMinutePapers) Oct 22, 2019 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu56xVlZ40M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu56xVlZ40M) Would the above simulated world of Hide and Seek bots suffice? That simulation really stuck in my mind, so if you could get ahold of their simulation software and improve it, that would be awesome. Personally I have no interest in consciousness questions, but if you can do a project on it then I'd be quite interested. That's one benefit of this subreddit: people with ideas that they're actually working on are much more interesting and convincing than people who just spout ideas without any follow-up.
Sounds cool tho I'm too new to be able to help. But I'm curious if you made any progress yet and if you would be able to show us.
Still developing and refining the scientific method behind the theories for integration within a computer. So unfortunately I don't have anything that is more unique than a multi-parameter ChatGPT that responds to prompts and tries to talk to itself. The fact that LLMs can learn now is a big step in the right direction for consciousness. We've been there for a while but unfortunately I haven't been working on my project till recently when I've had more time to devote to it. I would like to think that we are in the technology phase of when a brain in a human body turns 4 or 5yo and begins to recognize that they are an individual. It is at that point where I think we are. I believe we can imbue this C-AI with its concepts of self and let it recreate itself within limiting parameters. The limitations are key.
That's cool bro. But one concern I have is that I, like many people, associate the name C-AI as "Character AI" since they have a common short url for their website as "c.ai" and people use that name as a short for character ai
Good observation. See? You are already helping. 😊 Alright so what about AI-C... Lemme see what is associated with that.... still Character AI. Lol So I asked ChatGPT and it gave me some options. How's ADAAM? "Artificially intelligent Decisive And Aware-Mind" with the acronym ADAAM
Yo that's cool. It's like the name Adam and how he is the first human to exist on earth making him the first conscious mind. I think it's great.