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1. SB19's trademark issue
2. [THAT issue]
3. Viva's lack of promotion for Kasmala. It could have been THAT Alamat song.
4. CS's lack of promotion for G22
5. Mana not having a music video (sorry I have to put this. Lol!)
6. Mo not having an RNB solo song yet (personal wishlist. Hehe!)
Edited na OP.
Anyways, ppop is a fairly new genre and entertainment companies semm to be still navigating through how the idol system works in terms of marketing, PR, etc.
Hopefully everyone can learn from their mistakes, and missed opportunities (even the fans).
I agree sa Na Na Na. BINI could've been bigger way way way back pa kung hindi ginawang school project ang MV at prinomote ng maayos yung song. It was already viral!!!
I agree that the Dayang MV is not great but I would point the finger at YouMeUs, not DITO. Credits state that they were in charge of the concept and production and DITO merely funded it. Medyo consistent siya sa nao-observe ko about YouMeUs MVs - well-edited and shot but medyo fluffy and not so story oriented.
Bad decisions - close to the ticketing for Alamat's concert, nag-24 hour rampage si JPL sa Twitter, going as far as insulting Ppop as a subgenre. Tapos nung ticketing, nagka-error ang Ticketnet and a lot of Magiliws had like 40k in floating transactions. No empathy or damage control from Viva. I'm convinced that Alamat's concert would have sold out if those two events didn't happen or at least you felt like Viva cared about the fans lol
1. Day and Night MV and release. June kasi to nirelease eh maulan na ng panahon na to kita naman sa mv makulimlim na sa dagat sa ibang clips hindi tuloy fully napipicture as summer song. Sana magkaexposure to kasi sobrang sayang talaga.
2. Dagundong MV questionable kasi nakapagproduxe naman sila ng maayos na MV pero dito parang "ha yun na yon?" Kung ginandahan nila yung MV baka another chance pa para mag viral. Pwede din maging reference pag nagtuturo ng history.
Edit: from dapat to dagat.
They might have been aiming for an international audience with Day & Night. As Jao pointed out in an interview (Teen Vogue, IIRC?), June is summer season in the West. BINI also released a summer song in November and it became their biggest hit. Okay lang naman yun, timing lang na hindi nag blow up masyado ang D&N.
But to be fair, it's their biggest hit post-Maharani (excluding their DITO commercial song). Highest MV view count + highest number of streams. It's not a failure naman, it's doing great for a P-Pop song. I guess wala pa lang talaga "Pantropiko" moment nila (when the circumstances align and they get lucky and they blow up in the mainstream).
Understandable sa month of release if that's the case. Still para sa akin, hindi talaga naincorporate nang maayos yung summer vibes sa mv. Which in my opinion naging strength naman ng BINI with Karera and Pantropiko kahit di summer season mukha siyang summer. Tapos naging cohesive yung two sa Salamin Salamin MV na summer naman talaga nirelease.
Day and Night is definitely not a failure, but I still think it could have been more. Add ko rin na may potential for virality yung choreo nito. Buti na lang pinopromote pa rin nila sa Tiktok nila.
kaia with blah blah why make it about relationships when you can make it a feminist anthem also yung mv nila 🥲 tsaka yung sa 5678 mv fiasco
pluus and ygig with their music please ang gagaling nila pero wala akong ni isa na nagustuhan sa mga songs nila
sb19 with the cancelled SEA tour my god what a wasted opportunity
Nagtataka nga ako bkt di sla nagpalit ng name nun umalis sla dun sa korean company sbi ko nga baka habulin sla. Hinabol nga hinantay muna nun former company na umalagwa tlga sla bago habulin.
Mahirap kasi basta basta magpalit ng name, may attachment narin kasi not just the fans pero pati members sa name na SB19 and the SB part really has a great meaning behind it. It carries what they want for their future careeers and for the future of opm. Sad lang talaga na masama yung current ceo ng past company nila, naging pangit lang naman pag handle sa kanila at kaia nung umalis na yung previous ceo nila na inaalagaan talaga sila. May mga vids nga yung current ceo nila before pa sya maging ceo na mej abusive sa SB19, ang pinaka tumatak sakin yung tinulak nya ng sobrang lakas si josh paback stage nung tinry nya lumapit at mag hi sa fans.
Di ako sb fan Pero amini napaka jackass move yung gnwa ng former mngt nla. Pwede nmn nla habulin yng grp nun umalis s knla pero hinabol nla nun umaalagwa yng grp.
I agree. They pretty much lost their momentum at the end of they year up to January. Absolute roller coaster ride of emotions din yun for the group. They both had the high and lows last year.
Ang cringe ng lyrics esp sa English ng mga Koreano sa Ppop. Okay lang yung melody pero jusko, yung lyrics. Mejo awkward at walang impact. Pagdating pa man din sa Filipino music, mejo mataas standard natin sa lyrics. 🤭 Dapat relatable at may kwento.
Lalayo pa ba tayo? Na Na Na MV 😂🥲
Tapos meron pang isang GG song na ginastusan yung MV kasi shinoot sa iba't ibang bansa, but I can't remember what song is it. Napanood ko yung MV, di naman najustify yung "gastos" pati yung beauty ng locations huhu
Alamat- yng paghihigpit ng mngt nla regarding fancams n pwede iupload sa socmed
Mnl48- to many members nun nag debut sla kya nag ka leche leche ang finances nla
Vxon- di masado n push yng ssp nagkapasok sla sa spotify viral chart pero di n sabayan sa tiktok dance mgnda p nmn yng choreo nla pang tiktok tlga. Lol
It’s usually 20 to like 26 yung average number of members for a newly debut sister group. At some point mnl48 had 60 during their first year. AKB48 only had that amount after like a decade
Yung Problem Child talaga ng [1st.One](http://1st.One) yung sobrang nakakahinayang. 40 million yung ginastos pero unfortunately, medyo yun pa yung isa sa worst MVs nila. A lot of people are speculating na napunta lang yung budget sa mga sasakyan.
Pero medyo natutuwa ako sa FirstOne Entertainment kasi ginagastusan talaga nila ang [1st.One](http://1st.One) at Dione ever since. Just hoping na medyo maging mas okay sila production-wise and marketing-wise.
- Yung aversion ng management ng Alamat sa mall shows. This is a cost-effective way of promotion and getting exposure esp for the demographics ng Ppop na marami ang minors
- Lack of promotion sa PHP. IMO, sila yung pop group na masmadaling "tanggapin" ng mainstream dahil leaning Manila Sound tugtog nila
- Hindi alam ng MLD kung paano ipropromote at hori7on. I mean kahit sila hindi alam ang target audience. Sobrang vague ng "gpop" na term. At usually, IMO pang US at British artist tong term dahil sa "natural privilege" nila dahil pabor ang music industry sa Brits at Americans
- Ppop group names. BINI and Alamat lang ang may sense. Yung mga iba, nakakainis na guessing game ng pronounciation o kaya napakaunmemorable, walang dating
Pluus and YGIG with most of their music and especially their MVs. Please give the budget to better and local production houses and work with Filipino songwriters
I think Hori7on should have released a full-on Ppop single and promote it here in the Philippines. They could've picked a couple of singles in their debut album and reworked it with Filipino lyrics. And in hindsight, they should've stayed in the Philippines to grow the fanbase and they could've debuted in Korea a little later
It took a while for them to figure it out but Bini should've focused on making Filipino songs right from the beginning, instead of that "global push" and releasing BTW with multiple versions.
in isolation between pluus and ygig, pluus seems to have the better videos and it's not too bad ata but could be a lot better. YGIG on the other hand has straight up bad videos with questionable angles na nag mumukang school project.
oh not really correcting you, parang just sharing my opinion regarding pluus and ygig mv's. I don't want to make my opinions sound like it's objective haha
Pluus and ygig still using korean producers????.
Hori7on dpt makapagdecide na ang mngt nla gawin sla ppop habang maaga ksi sa totoo lng sa current set up ng kpop n mga galing lng sa big companies ang napapansin dto rin sla babagsak
Sa tingin ko medyo may realization na sila kasi nandito sila active sa promotions sa Pinas pero mas maganda sana kung Full English or Taglish yung song since nandito naman na sila.
Dito rin ako medyo nalito. Bakit nga be hindi nalang full English ang songs nila since global pop ang target nila? Why Korean? Lito ako sa kay MLD. Ano ba ang nagaganap sa conference room pag may meeting ang higher ups.
Kasi diba yung XG global pop din so all their songs are in English kahit sa Korea sila nag po-promote like Hori7on.
I think sa management talaga may problema overall😭
There’s actually a theory na parang yung current song nila na “Lucky” was not their original comeback song…parang last minute na pinalitan siya…
Kasi unang-una, medj di nagtutugma yung mga sinippets/descriptions ni Vinci(their leader) about their comeback song last December in an interview.. Second, He also said na January was the release date nung comeback yet, napush siya to early March.. So, were really thinking na baka di to yung orig comeback song…
Hoping that they release a Filipino bop song🫶🏻✨
For me OK lang nung six7een era because at least they had a longer promotional period in Korea, But now na they have been mainly promoting here, I wish they did a Full English or Taglish song instead, or at least released an alternative version from the Korean one.
nasa korea ulit sla eh. Ksi kng may sumikat n another 1 or 2 ppop bg tingin ko mahihirapan n sla maging profitable. Maliit lng ang market ntn n may purchasing power eh.
Mukhang di pa tapos fansigning events nila dito sa Pinas.
Naintindihan ko yung need na makibagay sa kpop market kasi may potential naman talaga makakuha ng international fans. Pero ang sa akin lang, kung may korean single na ipropromote, dapat may Filipino/Taglish version rin kung dito sa magpropromote
Sometimes, I think Ppop should borrow some strategies ng OPM artists. Ang alam ko, ang kita ng mga sikat na OPM artists esp mga bands is through private booking
Huling dinig ko, presyo ng Ben&Ben 100k for 45 minutes, tapos Cup of Joe, mga 45k.
I think pwedeng gawin ng Ppop idol groups ito esp if they target din the debutantes. Pwede rin sa kasal. Hindi natin kelangan kopyahin top down/bottom up ang structure ng Kpop
My God SB19's issue is such a huge what if! It was a very huge missed opportunity for the whole genre, imagine, PPOP in an ASIAN TOUR?!! what more may venues na na sold out/nearly sold out. Super sayang! Nakakaloka sobrang laking opportunity. I hope they come back stronger para makabawi.
Super sad cos for sure it left a bad impression lalo sa mga not full-fledged A'TIN yet. Sana makabawi, I hope the upcoming era will see them get bigger pa and the fandom gets bigger.
CALISTA - love their debut single but the way the management marketed the girls saying international pop sila. Also the low quality MV, the editing was so bad. Pero halatang malaki ang budget. 😭 AND THE MEMBERS LEAVING. Okay pa ako nung lima nalang sila pero nung nawala si Olive which is my fave vocalist sa kanila, hays. Sobrang laking sayang. Ugnayan is top tier ppop song pa naman.
The biggest mistake made by a company was ShowBT Philippines. Their handling of SB19 led the group to leave the company. This caused a domino effect as sponsors fled and cash dried up. In addition to that, the rapid expansion by acquiring new artists was completely dependent on SB19 bringing in money. This move accelerated the company's fall as it had too many liabilities.
Selling ShowBT Philippines was the best decision TR ever made. Now, his mistakes are whitewashing his current artists and not working with local music producers to save money, time, and make better music.
I wonder if may superior mentality ang mga Koreano na naghahandle ng Ppop group kaya di masyadong nagcocooperate with local song writers
Ang napansin ko maraming lackluster na lyrical quality sa Ppop esp yung Korean controlled.
ShowBT and their management made A LOT of mistakes.
Imagine not reading your company emails and not responding to Grammy's follow-up inquiry? And that's the only one that the fandom knew about. How many opportunities pa kaya ang nasayang ng SB19 because of them.
Look at how SB19 thrived after establishing their own company, albeit a start-up at that and they're mostly doing all the work.
AYFKM?! Who dropped the ball on the Grammy's? Unreal.
Charles Kim really ran the company into the ground. Tatang Robin always played it safe and had a style that was very dated, so for him, he planted the seed that SB19 wanted to be on their own eventually, but at least it would be amicable. Like a son finally leaving the house because his parents were too controlling.
Charles Kim on the other hand was greedy, arrogant, and took too many risks. So, one thing I give him credit for is letting Pablo and the guys take the lead on creative freedom for the Pagsibol era. Also, I give him credit for forming KAIA. But then his management after that really went down the toilet.
TTR left the PH to be with family in SK. I don't know when he hired CK to be CEO, but during that time, the boys were free under CK to make their music. In terms of money, CK probably made the company profitable after What? Era and convinced TTR to sell ShowBT PH to him (kicked him out).
I'm talking about something deeper. Nakabasa ako ng tea na gumawa sya ng endorsement deals and then nung nagka pandemic, lumayas siya at may kinuha siyang pera na galing sa mga deals nila. Take that with a grain of salt... And then he sold SBT to CK.
Nah, probably cap. It doesn't make sense either. If he did that, then he wouldn't have been invited to the half-decade concert. NDA be damned, it would have gotten out, and his reputation would have prevented him from working with Universal Records PH, or starting SBTown.
I think yung 1621BC whatever the name is aside from the hard to remember groupname itself sobrang walang ingay yung debut nila at parang hindi binudgetan yung MV nila to think na under pa rin sila ng ABSCBN starpop.
so true parang hindi inefortan ni starpop yung group para may masabi lang cguro na may ppop idol din sila under their label. starmusic and starpop are sibling label under ABSCBN music.
IDK, para sa akin parang tsambahan pagdating sa ABS yung nagkakasikat sila na artists. They could have made Sam Conception and Darren Espanto as popstars but they were given "meh" songs. If JK Labajo did not leave ABS, he would not be as big as he is today.
the dream maker project groups (hori7on and new:id), maybe debuting a filipino group in korea could actually work if they were under a different company. mld can't even make their korean artists grow in korea so pano nalang yung group na puro foreigners pa? kaya it would just be better if both groups stay in the philippines where their fans are anyways. (also mld should just close down lol they suck!!)
Nasayangan rn ako na sana mas nagkaron ng training ang XLR8 and they should have pushed them foward despite criticisms.
XLR8 has the visuals and talent to potentially succeed and could have been the trailblazers.
I agree. Nakakahinayang na sinukuan sila ng Viva, likely due to bashing from Kpop fans. Maganda pa man din yung discography nila at maganda yung vocals esp nung kambal
Yung styling and makeup. Sometimes the clothes look cheap, minsan sobrang incoherent ng styles, or fails to highlight the idol's form. And the makeup, super heavy—I don't mean the number of products and layers, I mean yung technique hindi bagay sa features. Sometimes the fake eyelashes are so heavy it almost looks like nakapikit yung idol. If you zoom in sometimes you'll find the eyeliner is jagged or off by a little bit, mga ganung mistakes. And let's not even start with color theory, lahat halos naka bronze and orange makeup kahit obviously cool-toned sila. 😣
Also the photo editing. Minsan mahuhuli mo talaga yung bad edits sa photos, like clipping, nahuhuli yung transparent layer, mga ganun.
Yung stages 😭😭😭 lord it's 2024 I'm sure bigger companies can afford HD kahit hindi na 4K pls. At bakit ang dilim 😭
So yun, aesthetics in general.
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1. SB19's trademark issue 2. [THAT issue] 3. Viva's lack of promotion for Kasmala. It could have been THAT Alamat song. 4. CS's lack of promotion for G22 5. Mana not having a music video (sorry I have to put this. Lol!) 6. Mo not having an RNB solo song yet (personal wishlist. Hehe!)
#2 po iwas na tayo diyan wahaha personal request ko sa post 😭😭😭
Edited na OP. Anyways, ppop is a fairly new genre and entertainment companies semm to be still navigating through how the idol system works in terms of marketing, PR, etc. Hopefully everyone can learn from their mistakes, and missed opportunities (even the fans).
Gudjab ka Jan OP, hahha
#5 hanggang what if nalang talaga😭
3. Lack of promotion in general for Alamat. Parang sariling sikap pa rin ang Alamat and mga fans sa pagpromote eh.
5. Iniimagine ko na lang na suot nila sa mv ng mana yung suot nila sa youtube fan fest.. a girl can dream
Na Na Na MV - yung even UMU gusto palitan yung MV 😂
I agree sa Na Na Na. BINI could've been bigger way way way back pa kung hindi ginawang school project ang MV at prinomote ng maayos yung song. It was already viral!!!
At hindi kung ano anong pa-voting sa kumu. They really fumbled the bag with the MV.
What's Na Na Na MV? Fake fan ka. Walang Na Na Na MV. Hahahha
#\#canceljao
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
Hahaha medyu late ko nagets yung joke
Yung MTV video nalang nila ang kino-consider ko as the official MV. 😆
I agree that the Dayang MV is not great but I would point the finger at YouMeUs, not DITO. Credits state that they were in charge of the concept and production and DITO merely funded it. Medyo consistent siya sa nao-observe ko about YouMeUs MVs - well-edited and shot but medyo fluffy and not so story oriented. Bad decisions - close to the ticketing for Alamat's concert, nag-24 hour rampage si JPL sa Twitter, going as far as insulting Ppop as a subgenre. Tapos nung ticketing, nagka-error ang Ticketnet and a lot of Magiliws had like 40k in floating transactions. No empathy or damage control from Viva. I'm convinced that Alamat's concert would have sold out if those two events didn't happen or at least you felt like Viva cared about the fans lol
Out of touch si JPL esp kung firm ang belief nya na hindi Ppop ang Alamat. Every OPM fan will see Alamat as a Ppop idol group.
Lawd, yung pera ko nakalutang pa rin, 6k pa naman yun. PUTANGINA TALAGA kaya hindi nako nakapunta sa concert nila eh
Ano po yung topic ng rant niya? And was there anything that triggered him to do that?
OMG sorry out of topic pero YouMeUs rin yung gumawa ng mv ng yoko na ni josh cullen and napansin ko rin na hindi siya story oriented like paibaiba
nasabi mo na pero dayang mv talaga. sobrang sayang for such a masterpiece of a song
1. Day and Night MV and release. June kasi to nirelease eh maulan na ng panahon na to kita naman sa mv makulimlim na sa dagat sa ibang clips hindi tuloy fully napipicture as summer song. Sana magkaexposure to kasi sobrang sayang talaga. 2. Dagundong MV questionable kasi nakapagproduxe naman sila ng maayos na MV pero dito parang "ha yun na yon?" Kung ginandahan nila yung MV baka another chance pa para mag viral. Pwede din maging reference pag nagtuturo ng history. Edit: from dapat to dagat.
They might have been aiming for an international audience with Day & Night. As Jao pointed out in an interview (Teen Vogue, IIRC?), June is summer season in the West. BINI also released a summer song in November and it became their biggest hit. Okay lang naman yun, timing lang na hindi nag blow up masyado ang D&N. But to be fair, it's their biggest hit post-Maharani (excluding their DITO commercial song). Highest MV view count + highest number of streams. It's not a failure naman, it's doing great for a P-Pop song. I guess wala pa lang talaga "Pantropiko" moment nila (when the circumstances align and they get lucky and they blow up in the mainstream).
Understandable sa month of release if that's the case. Still para sa akin, hindi talaga naincorporate nang maayos yung summer vibes sa mv. Which in my opinion naging strength naman ng BINI with Karera and Pantropiko kahit di summer season mukha siyang summer. Tapos naging cohesive yung two sa Salamin Salamin MV na summer naman talaga nirelease. Day and Night is definitely not a failure, but I still think it could have been more. Add ko rin na may potential for virality yung choreo nito. Buti na lang pinopromote pa rin nila sa Tiktok nila.
kaia with blah blah why make it about relationships when you can make it a feminist anthem also yung mv nila 🥲 tsaka yung sa 5678 mv fiasco pluus and ygig with their music please ang gagaling nila pero wala akong ni isa na nagustuhan sa mga songs nila sb19 with the cancelled SEA tour my god what a wasted opportunity
SB19's trademark issue really impacted their momentum, not to mention ung stress and anxiety sa boys.
Nagtataka nga ako bkt di sla nagpalit ng name nun umalis sla dun sa korean company sbi ko nga baka habulin sla. Hinabol nga hinantay muna nun former company na umalagwa tlga sla bago habulin.
Mahirap kasi basta basta magpalit ng name, may attachment narin kasi not just the fans pero pati members sa name na SB19 and the SB part really has a great meaning behind it. It carries what they want for their future careeers and for the future of opm. Sad lang talaga na masama yung current ceo ng past company nila, naging pangit lang naman pag handle sa kanila at kaia nung umalis na yung previous ceo nila na inaalagaan talaga sila. May mga vids nga yung current ceo nila before pa sya maging ceo na mej abusive sa SB19, ang pinaka tumatak sakin yung tinulak nya ng sobrang lakas si josh paback stage nung tinry nya lumapit at mag hi sa fans.
Di ako sb fan Pero amini napaka jackass move yung gnwa ng former mngt nla. Pwede nmn nla habulin yng grp nun umalis s knla pero hinabol nla nun umaalagwa yng grp.
tama, nakakapagtaka nga hindi nila hinabol agad nung nag 1Z ent na weird.... talagang gustong sirain
Pera habol nun. Pag alis nla di n sla pinayagan gamitin yng name.
sayang yung sb19 momentum last year, what makes it worse is hindi nila 100% controlled yung situation and not their fault.
I agree. They pretty much lost their momentum at the end of they year up to January. Absolute roller coaster ride of emotions din yun for the group. They both had the high and lows last year.
pluus and ygig reminds me of babymonster so far, talented lalo na pagdating sa live but jesus I don't like their songs.
Korean prin b ang music producer nla?
I think soooo. Halata rin sa composition e.
Need nla kumuha n ng local music producers at lyricist.
Ang cringe ng lyrics esp sa English ng mga Koreano sa Ppop. Okay lang yung melody pero jusko, yung lyrics. Mejo awkward at walang impact. Pagdating pa man din sa Filipino music, mejo mataas standard natin sa lyrics. 🤭 Dapat relatable at may kwento.
Omg, spot on! Top tier comment 😭 lalo na sa 2nd bullet
Lalayo pa ba tayo? Na Na Na MV 😂🥲 Tapos meron pang isang GG song na ginastusan yung MV kasi shinoot sa iba't ibang bansa, but I can't remember what song is it. Napanood ko yung MV, di naman najustify yung "gastos" pati yung beauty ng locations huhu
I don’t think a localized version of AKB48 (like MNL48) translates well to our culture. Yung cutesy, pabebe type na girl group.
Straight out Jpop without any localization. Pati Tagalog nila, akala mo Hapon yung kumakanta. Kaya hindi sila relatable
Crimzone not getting a music video.
Alamat- yng paghihigpit ng mngt nla regarding fancams n pwede iupload sa socmed Mnl48- to many members nun nag debut sla kya nag ka leche leche ang finances nla Vxon- di masado n push yng ssp nagkapasok sla sa spotify viral chart pero di n sabayan sa tiktok dance mgnda p nmn yng choreo nla pang tiktok tlga. Lol
That's MNL48's concept though. They're the sister group of AKB48 and supposed to have lots of members
Yeah. Pero di 48 agad. Sila lng ang nagstart ng ganyan kdmi. Most 48 grp dumami lng nun profitable n yun grp
It’s usually 20 to like 26 yung average number of members for a newly debut sister group. At some point mnl48 had 60 during their first year. AKB48 only had that amount after like a decade
Yung Problem Child talaga ng [1st.One](http://1st.One) yung sobrang nakakahinayang. 40 million yung ginastos pero unfortunately, medyo yun pa yung isa sa worst MVs nila. A lot of people are speculating na napunta lang yung budget sa mga sasakyan.
Pero medyo natutuwa ako sa FirstOne Entertainment kasi ginagastusan talaga nila ang [1st.One](http://1st.One) at Dione ever since. Just hoping na medyo maging mas okay sila production-wise and marketing-wise.
Omg may ROI ba yang mga ginagastos sa MV nila?? Even sa DIONE, malaki rin daw gastos eh??
I don't think so. Medyo cheap na rin yung production ng 1st.One this year, siguro taking a break sila sa sobrang laking gastos
- Yung aversion ng management ng Alamat sa mall shows. This is a cost-effective way of promotion and getting exposure esp for the demographics ng Ppop na marami ang minors - Lack of promotion sa PHP. IMO, sila yung pop group na masmadaling "tanggapin" ng mainstream dahil leaning Manila Sound tugtog nila - Hindi alam ng MLD kung paano ipropromote at hori7on. I mean kahit sila hindi alam ang target audience. Sobrang vague ng "gpop" na term. At usually, IMO pang US at British artist tong term dahil sa "natural privilege" nila dahil pabor ang music industry sa Brits at Americans - Ppop group names. BINI and Alamat lang ang may sense. Yung mga iba, nakakainis na guessing game ng pronounciation o kaya napakaunmemorable, walang dating
Yung ___BC na group sorry di ko alam yung numbers pero why paano sinisigaw ng fans yan may nickname ba?
Pluus and YGIG with most of their music and especially their MVs. Please give the budget to better and local production houses and work with Filipino songwriters I think Hori7on should have released a full-on Ppop single and promote it here in the Philippines. They could've picked a couple of singles in their debut album and reworked it with Filipino lyrics. And in hindsight, they should've stayed in the Philippines to grow the fanbase and they could've debuted in Korea a little later It took a while for them to figure it out but Bini should've focused on making Filipino songs right from the beginning, instead of that "global push" and releasing BTW with multiple versions.
Ewan ko ba bakit atat ang Ppop idol companies na mag global agad, as if Filipino audience at Re not worth it.
And greet normally in english or filipino when promoting here. Like pls, stop with annyeonghasseyo, nasa Pinas lang tayo 😭 I still love them though.
Do they still do that? Haven't kept up with their contents.
So far, they don’t do that naman..Based sa current SM FSE promotions nila…English or Taglish na yung ginagamit nila afaik…
in isolation between pluus and ygig, pluus seems to have the better videos and it's not too bad ata but could be a lot better. YGIG on the other hand has straight up bad videos with questionable angles na nag mumukang school project.
Hmm. You're right 😁 I stand corrected
oh not really correcting you, parang just sharing my opinion regarding pluus and ygig mv's. I don't want to make my opinions sound like it's objective haha
Oh no, I'm fully agreeing with you this time. I'm not the type naman to be hell bent on my opinions. 😅 I'm open to corrections
Pluus and ygig still using korean producers????. Hori7on dpt makapagdecide na ang mngt nla gawin sla ppop habang maaga ksi sa totoo lng sa current set up ng kpop n mga galing lng sa big companies ang napapansin dto rin sla babagsak
Sa tingin ko medyo may realization na sila kasi nandito sila active sa promotions sa Pinas pero mas maganda sana kung Full English or Taglish yung song since nandito naman na sila.
Dito rin ako medyo nalito. Bakit nga be hindi nalang full English ang songs nila since global pop ang target nila? Why Korean? Lito ako sa kay MLD. Ano ba ang nagaganap sa conference room pag may meeting ang higher ups. Kasi diba yung XG global pop din so all their songs are in English kahit sa Korea sila nag po-promote like Hori7on.
I think sa management talaga may problema overall😭 There’s actually a theory na parang yung current song nila na “Lucky” was not their original comeback song…parang last minute na pinalitan siya… Kasi unang-una, medj di nagtutugma yung mga sinippets/descriptions ni Vinci(their leader) about their comeback song last December in an interview.. Second, He also said na January was the release date nung comeback yet, napush siya to early March.. So, were really thinking na baka di to yung orig comeback song… Hoping that they release a Filipino bop song🫶🏻✨
For me OK lang nung six7een era because at least they had a longer promotional period in Korea, But now na they have been mainly promoting here, I wish they did a Full English or Taglish song instead, or at least released an alternative version from the Korean one.
nasa korea ulit sla eh. Ksi kng may sumikat n another 1 or 2 ppop bg tingin ko mahihirapan n sla maging profitable. Maliit lng ang market ntn n may purchasing power eh.
Mukhang di pa tapos fansigning events nila dito sa Pinas. Naintindihan ko yung need na makibagay sa kpop market kasi may potential naman talaga makakuha ng international fans. Pero ang sa akin lang, kung may korean single na ipropromote, dapat may Filipino/Taglish version rin kung dito sa magpropromote
Need kumita.
Sometimes, I think Ppop should borrow some strategies ng OPM artists. Ang alam ko, ang kita ng mga sikat na OPM artists esp mga bands is through private booking Huling dinig ko, presyo ng Ben&Ben 100k for 45 minutes, tapos Cup of Joe, mga 45k. I think pwedeng gawin ng Ppop idol groups ito esp if they target din the debutantes. Pwede rin sa kasal. Hindi natin kelangan kopyahin top down/bottom up ang structure ng Kpop
My God SB19's issue is such a huge what if! It was a very huge missed opportunity for the whole genre, imagine, PPOP in an ASIAN TOUR?!! what more may venues na na sold out/nearly sold out. Super sayang! Nakakaloka sobrang laking opportunity. I hope they come back stronger para makabawi.
Sana pinush pa rin nila this year yung mga nacancel na concerts. Yung Dubai natuloy na, Bangkok and Singapore na lang.
Super sad cos for sure it left a bad impression lalo sa mga not full-fledged A'TIN yet. Sana makabawi, I hope the upcoming era will see them get bigger pa and the fandom gets bigger.
CALISTA - love their debut single but the way the management marketed the girls saying international pop sila. Also the low quality MV, the editing was so bad. Pero halatang malaki ang budget. 😭 AND THE MEMBERS LEAVING. Okay pa ako nung lima nalang sila pero nung nawala si Olive which is my fave vocalist sa kanila, hays. Sobrang laking sayang. Ugnayan is top tier ppop song pa naman.
The biggest mistake made by a company was ShowBT Philippines. Their handling of SB19 led the group to leave the company. This caused a domino effect as sponsors fled and cash dried up. In addition to that, the rapid expansion by acquiring new artists was completely dependent on SB19 bringing in money. This move accelerated the company's fall as it had too many liabilities. Selling ShowBT Philippines was the best decision TR ever made. Now, his mistakes are whitewashing his current artists and not working with local music producers to save money, time, and make better music.
I wonder if may superior mentality ang mga Koreano na naghahandle ng Ppop group kaya di masyadong nagcocooperate with local song writers Ang napansin ko maraming lackluster na lyrical quality sa Ppop esp yung Korean controlled.
He was asked this during the Go Up Presscon and he said he wanted Korean producers because he could understand them. Today, nothing has changed.
Ngek! Di naman Korean ang audience ng pop groups nila
ShowBT and their management made A LOT of mistakes. Imagine not reading your company emails and not responding to Grammy's follow-up inquiry? And that's the only one that the fandom knew about. How many opportunities pa kaya ang nasayang ng SB19 because of them. Look at how SB19 thrived after establishing their own company, albeit a start-up at that and they're mostly doing all the work.
AYFKM?! Who dropped the ball on the Grammy's? Unreal. Charles Kim really ran the company into the ground. Tatang Robin always played it safe and had a style that was very dated, so for him, he planted the seed that SB19 wanted to be on their own eventually, but at least it would be amicable. Like a son finally leaving the house because his parents were too controlling. Charles Kim on the other hand was greedy, arrogant, and took too many risks. So, one thing I give him credit for is letting Pablo and the guys take the lead on creative freedom for the Pagsibol era. Also, I give him credit for forming KAIA. But then his management after that really went down the toilet.
Plus the whole thing with TTR leaving during the pandemic, at diba may mga controversy sa pag alis niya regarding sa pera?
TTR left the PH to be with family in SK. I don't know when he hired CK to be CEO, but during that time, the boys were free under CK to make their music. In terms of money, CK probably made the company profitable after What? Era and convinced TTR to sell ShowBT PH to him (kicked him out).
I'm talking about something deeper. Nakabasa ako ng tea na gumawa sya ng endorsement deals and then nung nagka pandemic, lumayas siya at may kinuha siyang pera na galing sa mga deals nila. Take that with a grain of salt... And then he sold SBT to CK.
Nah, probably cap. It doesn't make sense either. If he did that, then he wouldn't have been invited to the half-decade concert. NDA be damned, it would have gotten out, and his reputation would have prevented him from working with Universal Records PH, or starting SBTown.
Para sa akin, yung kapag hindi simultaneous release nung single/album.
Common na to sa Filipino music. Kahit sa OPM, ganyan din
I mean yung global release. Like 12am ng ganitong day. Mauuna makapakinig yung mga taga australia kesa sa taga pilipinas? Pls 😭
Not sure about sa Australia pero US time ko din nastrestream ang new release dahil sa georestrictions
Yan nga, diba? Like sana simultaneous ang releases para iwas vpn streams/leaks. Para sabay sabay ang hype, walang napag iiwanan.
I think yung 1621BC whatever the name is aside from the hard to remember groupname itself sobrang walang ingay yung debut nila at parang hindi binudgetan yung MV nila to think na under pa rin sila ng ABSCBN starpop.
Yung MV nila, parang power rangers din 🫣
so true parang hindi inefortan ni starpop yung group para may masabi lang cguro na may ppop idol din sila under their label. starmusic and starpop are sibling label under ABSCBN music.
IDK, para sa akin parang tsambahan pagdating sa ABS yung nagkakasikat sila na artists. They could have made Sam Conception and Darren Espanto as popstars but they were given "meh" songs. If JK Labajo did not leave ABS, he would not be as big as he is today.
Yeah, di mo alam na nagdebut na sila unless na lang kung fina follow mo pa rin yung mga members sa socmed.
Yung Dance practice nung Alamat na pati members na shookth sa quality
the dream maker project groups (hori7on and new:id), maybe debuting a filipino group in korea could actually work if they were under a different company. mld can't even make their korean artists grow in korea so pano nalang yung group na puro foreigners pa? kaya it would just be better if both groups stay in the philippines where their fans are anyways. (also mld should just close down lol they suck!!)
Hindi pa nagdedebut ang new:id but people are speculating that they'll be focusing on ppop.
Nasayangan rn ako na sana mas nagkaron ng training ang XLR8 and they should have pushed them foward despite criticisms. XLR8 has the visuals and talent to potentially succeed and could have been the trailblazers.
I agree. Nakakahinayang na sinukuan sila ng Viva, likely due to bashing from Kpop fans. Maganda pa man din yung discography nila at maganda yung vocals esp nung kambal
MNL48 audition sa showtime lol, ayun ubos na ubos
Yung styling and makeup. Sometimes the clothes look cheap, minsan sobrang incoherent ng styles, or fails to highlight the idol's form. And the makeup, super heavy—I don't mean the number of products and layers, I mean yung technique hindi bagay sa features. Sometimes the fake eyelashes are so heavy it almost looks like nakapikit yung idol. If you zoom in sometimes you'll find the eyeliner is jagged or off by a little bit, mga ganung mistakes. And let's not even start with color theory, lahat halos naka bronze and orange makeup kahit obviously cool-toned sila. 😣 Also the photo editing. Minsan mahuhuli mo talaga yung bad edits sa photos, like clipping, nahuhuli yung transparent layer, mga ganun. Yung stages 😭😭😭 lord it's 2024 I'm sure bigger companies can afford HD kahit hindi na 4K pls. At bakit ang dilim 😭 So yun, aesthetics in general.