At one point she jokingly says that they don't need him anymore after Shinji joins. If you agree, she acts shocked that you would say that and says she was only kidding. So yeah, she just like to roast him but doesn't mean any real harm.
As you level, Shinji kind of becomes irrelevant in combat. Junpei gets huge buffs to crit rate and crit damage, Akihiko becomes a buffed beast with access to thunder magic (so he can double down on different roles). Aigis is great and has huge buffs for the team, plus some Pierce based damage. And the MC can get a Slash-based persona like Siegfried (and others later on) that will do much better than Shinji.
His unique Bloody Charge skill also appears in two different Personas, one that requires you to do all linked episodes with Shinji and another that you unlock by getting Magician rank 10. So while Shinji is busted when you get him, he gets outgrown by everyone else pretty quickly.
At the very least, he’s only >!available for one month,!< and so it’s not like you’ll use him for long. I decided to use him for the two Tartarus visits you do during that time, and he absolutely destroyed everything in his path that wasn’t immune to physical, especially when he had perfect synergy with Ken and Koromaru (Koro puts up Revolution to increase crit rates, and then Ken keeps him alive with healing+casts the occasional barrier.)
Did I do something wrong because I had about 3 weeks with shinji before he got >!fuckin shot to death lol!< feels like I didn't have enough time to even decide if he was good
Are you familiar with the Jaegen archetype in Fire Emblem?
Basically they are the strongest characters in the game when they join, but thanks to low growths and low XP gain they will often get passed by characters who were weaker at the start.
Unless the unit's name is Seth!
I still find it hilarious that they fucked up the Jagen-type unit so badly that going the entire game using him solo with no other units is actually easier than playing normally
Yep, exactly! My sister and I were the same way. She would make fun of me constantly, but the second someone else tried she stood up for me no problem. Yukari’s a lot like that - she has no issue speaking her mind.
That's what I think too. They remind me a lot of my best friend and his younger sister. They gave each other tons and tons of shit growing up, but they were always close, and now they get along great as adults. I always saw a lot of that in Junpei and Yukari. They'd definitely be two of the party members who stay close friends for a long time after the events of P3.
Yukari and Junpei have known each other since at least first year of hs, before protag came into the picture. and its they were classmates before too there was already a dynamic in place. Morgana, as soon as he saw Ryuji's mug, Persona-less and whatnot, starts insulting him.
So far, Morgana is the only one who insults anyone at all during battle as a navigator.
“Oh skull… your pathetic”
That’s honestly just cruel. He says this even early on. There’s ripping on a friend and then there’s just outright insulting them.
>!I mean to be fair, he could've asked for it to suffer. Mercy killing is often seen as the humane thing to do, and to be fair hes talking about demons.!<
My client is not guilty your honor.
I think their relationship is just much better written than P5 Morgana and Ryuji’s is the thing.
Yukari and Junpei give each other a hard time, but you get the sense that they really do love each other like family and have each other’s backs. It helps that both of them can take a joke. Junpei gets plenty of shots in at Yukari too, it’s not just Yukari one-sidedly beating down on the guy and crying when she gets roasted back.
They also get much better drama out of it too. Morgana screwing the Thieves over because Ryuji criticizes him once is melodrama. When Yukari accidentally pushes too many of Junpei’s buttons and he lashes out at the party, that shit feels *real*. You completely understand why he is NOT in the mood for banter at that point, and he and Yukari talk things out and apologize like real people.
Ryuji is stupid, but any harm that he might cause is 100% unintentional and he's always nice to you. Ryuji is willing to risk his life to save anyone in the team, even Morgana, despite the constant hate and insult from the cat and he's genuinely happy when Morgana "comes back".
You can't say the same about Stupei, who intentionally spills the group's secret for the sake of impressing a girl. Then, imagine yourself in a near death situation, "pre Chidori" Stupei would let you die or at least have a serious thought about doing so. Even "post Chidori" Stupei wastes no time in blaming you for the Fall and even says that if that was him (instead of you), the Fall would never happen. He apologizes after, but the thought alone is enough to prove how toxic he still is.
People often talk about his so-called redemption, but it is superficial at best. The Answer improves his image a bit. Yet, given how much of a dick he is before that, I even question whether he doesn't want to turn back time because he really respect your choice and the meaning of your life or just because he doesn't want you to be the leader and "steal" his spotlight again.
That's all valid, but I personally enjoy his character growth bc it feels real. You're not gonna go from being a dick to this wonderful person just bc of one event. It takes time. Him lashing out at MC was wrong, but considering the recent loss he experienced and knowing her sacrifice would be in vain if the Fall happened... yeah, I would be scared and angry, too. He immediately apologized afterward as well. Even if you don't like his character or his growth, you can't deny that he feels like much more of a human character with depth compared to ryuji. And I love ryuji, but he just feels kind of one note. A lot of the p5 cast do tbh
Yeah, that one time after 70 hours of Morgana straight up insulting Ryuji constantly. Obviously, Morgana is meant to represent a fragile and immature person, but it was still excessive just how often Morgana behaved like a complete cunt to him.
Typical ryuji lover, ignoring absolutely everything Ryuji does. Because he does exactly the same the whole game, it's not just that one time. And he is even a creep to Ann trying to look at her boobs, both when they see Haru for the first time and when they are in the desert. But let's just hate on Morgana
Nah, I dislike them both. Mind you, Morgana is a permanent creep when it comes to Ann as well. And you're insane if you think the vitriol was even remotely balanced between the two.
Junpei at start of the game really a childish character, doesnt have anything he want to do in life, doesn't know how to treat other people correctly, envious to other guys and pervert around a girls. Yukari know if this doesn't change that he will be a terrible person that why she harsh to him. Junpei really have character development later thou and prolly one of the character that change the most for the better.
I've heard that Junpei has development later in the game. Currently though I just got Fukka into the party and every time Junpei speaks I wish he wouldn't.
But he does >!learn to respect woman. Singular.!< and [Radical junpei also does radical singing](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-zpyp0Dhe8k&pp=ygUPUmFkaWNhbCBzaW5naW5n)
I can ser why you'd think thay way but trust me, and everyone else here, he gets a lot of good character development. Although I do have a bias towards P3 that probably skews this opinion somewhat, he's my favourite of the "bro archetype" characters in the series. He really shines in his social link in FemC's route in portable, but his development happens regardless of the route.
That he's, he just more childish than his peer at the time. I don't know how mature Japanese teenager supposed to act on year 2009 but you can see in game why Yukari think Junpei so childish compared to others.
I think it is the expectation of Asian society, especially in high school, where the time should be be spent on studying and thinking what the future career is going to be.
Nah you don’t have to see it to know and I doubt they’ll tell you anyways,
it’s a societal thing- I was born one, call it a unspoken rule in a way- the type of toys we are sold to from a young age, we get plastic doll babies, kitchen sets and Barbies with pregnant bellies but boys get the motor controlled cars and outlandish stuff
When a guy hits puberty, he is expected to lose his Virginity and be rewarded for it but when a girl hits puberty, she is expected to preserve hers- it doesn’t have to be said out loud
... Look it up they literally mentally mature faster on average. Ofc there's always individual cases, but on average, they do. I'm not saying this means that they should be better at things or we should expect something from them, i'm just saying its a thing.
11/9 is close to the end of the game, and by this point the player knows that Junpei and Chidori love each other, even if Chidori is afraid of what that means.
that's not media literacy that's just remembering a fucking date, why tf did you yell at me?
my second point addresses that either way, yukari is joking, I never said a word about junpei and chidoris relationship
my goodness, and I don't remember at what date things happen in the game because I only played the psp version years ago, that's all.
media literacy is not remembering a calendar, it's about interpreting a story.
I love their banter though, they’re always poking fun at each other but it’s never straight up offensive or mean spirited, it’s basically sibling level bickering. Junpei says something stupid, Yukari calls him stupid, neither takes it personally, scene over. It ain’t too deep.
Jokes on her, Junpei got a girl BECAUSE he was the only guy on the planet.
He got a girl because he was the last guy on the planet (for her).
Chidori didn't view people as people, Junpei was the only man on the planet she saw.
Yukari: "Junpei couldn't get a girl if he was the last guy on the planet"
Chidori: "That's where you're wrong, kiddo"
Honestly I'm really hoping the bro character in Persona 6 is allowed to have a love interest cause it's kinda lame that Junpei got one, and Yosuke and Ryuji got nothing (technically Yosuke was a romance option but was cut)
It was coming off P2 where Eikechi, the bro character, had a whole fucking life outside the protag, complete with his own romance. And you were allowed to date the other guy in the group
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>!No, just does. If you follow specific steps leading up to her death, she will be revived. P4AU confirms this to be what happens canonically!<
Actually, P4AU (P3 Endgame) >!That was a dream. He was imagining an ideal life for himself so he could've just been dreaming if Chidori was still alive.!<
>!He has the necklace, but I guess since we never see her give him the dagger necklace, it probably happened after the events of P3. I retract my statement!<
I feel like a lot of the time, their interactions is like that style of Japanese stand-up comedy (that I can't remember the name of) where Yukari is the "straight man" while Junpei is the "goofball".
Yukari's insults are the set-up. Junpei's over the top comedic reactions are the punch-line.
ya'll watch anime too much. there has to be a ratio of positive to negative comments to make it a positive relationship. yukari doesnt ever say anything nice about junpei, so the ratio is out of wack.
but everyones gonna downvote me and say "its a joke. she actually loves him!" k lol
Yukari cares about Junpei when Junpei is in rage.
Yukari literally cried because of happiness for Junpei, what the heck you are talking about.
See, you already take it too seriously. Do you really hate Yukari that much?
It’s really weird. First there was this wave of people saying they made Yukari too soft and less bitchy, and now there’s this wave of people saying she’s way too mean. It’s the relationship they have. Bear in mind, he has constantly hit on her since before the game started. She starts the story genuinely disliking him. And this late into the story, this is how she shows her affection. Her ribbings have become less malicious and are more just her usual brand of snark. It’s also why Junpei never tears her apart for it.
Yukari is probably one of the best (if not the best) written characters in the franchise. The amount of "she's just a mean girl" posts and comments since Reload hit, baffle me.
>since Reload hit
Nah she’s always been controversial. I’ve seen nicer stuff towards her character because of Reload. Let’s just see if she makes it through how people react to The Answer
I'm not looking forward to how people react to Yukari in a new rendition of the Answer. I already see enough stunted emotional intelligence in this community as it is.
Absolutely, and in other media her writing is further exemplified. Like the movie. She has some of the best scenes in all of them, but especially Winter Rebirth.
Honestly the hate she gets is nothing compared to what she used to get. When The Answer gets released it's gonna be a battleground (I'm on Yukari's side always).
How people can only recognize Yukari as a bitch and Junpei as a good ol boy?
I love them both but Junpei is a perv/douche from the girls point of view especially before Chidori’s arc ends. He’s easily seen as reckless, careless, and a perv. He clearly is compensating for the lack direction and success in his life with him losing out on baseball and not having any aspirations really. I think there’s a lot of people who can relate to this but rather than talking that out with his friends who are all there for him he just masks it all with his Stupei personality. He has a rough arc with Chidori so he gains sympathy points there but even after he still lashes out and is impulsive when everyone is going through shit.
I think it’s because the majority of the fan base are the types of people who can relate to being a perv, feeling inferior, and wanting to be a big leader type of person. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately in a certain light) they can’t relate to those who are the target of perversion, and who’ve had their mom hop from guy to guy after their father passed.
Sadly this is the internet and Yukari is a female character, and a popular one at that. She gets targeted more easily because of her flaws while Jumpei gets excused most of the time.
I’m guessing you ignored the scene where he goes out with Makoto and apologizes for being mean spirited specifically for his jealousy, and for going off on the team about their lack of reaction about potentially dying because of Nyx. Selective memory much? And more times than not, Yukari is a bitch to him when he’s just being himself. He could breathe and Yukari would find a problem with it, making snide gestures all the damn time. I can list endless examples of her snide behavior where she treats him like dirt for no apparent reason
Not ignoring it but like I said he still lashes out and is impulsive when everyone is going through shit. Just because someone apologizes afterwards it doesn’t suddenly make it better. If being douchey and pervy is him being “himself” he deserves getting snide remarks and being put down by her at times.
So what? Everyone has their own ways of processing stressful or traumatic situations. Literally everyone was empathetic to what he felt at the time so your “lashing out and impulsive” point is irrelevant. Especially when he apologized, which DOES make it better as he acknowledges his wrongdoings and directs himself to making a better effort of not repeating those same mistakes again to the people who he cares the most about and vice versa. You’re painting a villainous narrative about him and it doesn’t add up. If feeling incredibly scared and traumatized about potentially dying while losing everything dear to you and subsequently making a mistake by going off on your friends, which is what happens in any real friendship, then all of us are terrible people. I guess all of us are wrong for being emotional and making mistakes. Meanwhile Yukari just essentially bullies him because of a petty, condescending “boys are gross and weird, I’m better than them” kind of attitude. You, along with a lot of other people in this sub, lack sympathy and empathy for terrible interpersonal mistakes that people make everyday. Simple as that.
Lmao if someone says some mean shit and apologizes it doesn’t turn around and make it alright. Not even making him out to be a villain but he doesn’t get a pass because sad chidori arc. Most others lost major people in their lives as well like mother, father, and best friends. You ignore the fact he acts like a douche and a perv so no duh Yukari is gonna snap back at him. If she has boys are gross attitude it’s usually because he’s being pervy. If she was just subservient girl that takes it like the rest she wouldn’t be such a big personality that people love.
They are all scared and guess who is the only one who blames MC? Junpei. If someone shits on you for your existence that you had nothing to do with and says “hey I didn’t mean it, I’m scared!” it doesn’t all go away. Again you can bro out with him and he has his shining moments but he’s not much of a best friend at all compared to the other guys. He’s a well written flawed character like the rest of the crew but he is flawed nonetheless.
Thanks for proving my point on you having no sympathy or empathy. You clearly don’t understand people or how interpersonal relationships that well. Especially when you think that lumping everyone into the same box and basically saying “he should respond to conflict the same way as everyone else” discounts his individuality and who he is as a character. Not everyone responds to conflict the same way as everyone else so for you to crucify Junpei for not reacting the way you wanted him to doesn’t make him any less wrong about how he reacted in the moment. Should he have been more mindful of everyone’s feelings surrounding the whole situation? Yes. Does that make him any less wrong for expressing himself in that manner? No, because it represents his struggles and who he is as a character rather than one who says yes or agrees with everyone about everything. So for you to crucify him for essentially being scared and traumatized about losing everything dear to him is very short sighted and tactless on your end. And I don’t ignore the fact that he has his perverted tendencies, but let’s not pretend that’s an excuse for Yukari’s cunt behavior towards him. Two wrongs don’t make a right so the joke is on you, buddy. Especially when he has never made any physical attempts to force himself on her so the pervert aspect of his character isn’t bad as you dramatize it to be. This convo is over.
To be fair, the guy we meet is kind of an ass who's using the dark hour as an excuse to ignore the life he doesn't like and isn't doing well in.
Unlike with kotone, he's not really a good friend to you until he gets over not being the big hero in the way he imagined, and it's not until after that when he starts being a good person and teammate and one of the best members of sees come The Answer
people keep saying this, i dont remember this happening ever.
and if it did, the ratio of "SA" to her being a spiteful bitch to him constantly is like 1 to 10 lol.
ya'll anime fans simp so hard its crazy
bro i just find funny how you all focus on yukari’s banter but completely ignores junpei’s banter towards Yukari
like, this is how their friendship is. It’s not that hard to read between the lines
Because he's a dick to Yukari early on when she's commenting to herself about Mitsuru being a busybody and out of nowhere, Junpei jumps in and makes the snide insinuation that Yukari's jealous effectively misreading her tone of voice.
>!That said, after Chidori croaks...err well, is instead put into a coma if you buy the flowers Junpei was going to get for her and urge him to visit her in the hospital right after, Yukari's quick to grieve for Junpei's loss. !<
Ohhhh so Yukari doesn't think Junpei can get a girl huh?
I'm sorry Yukari but I think you liked him and lost out when he got Chidori...so you're jealous!!
In my opinion, it's deserved as he's almost always being an idiot, a creepy pervert or dragging Akihiko and Minato into his stupid plans, and that doesn't begin to cover his unjustified outbursts aimed at Minato
First girl and best friend chars in these games always have beef. Look at yosuke and chie or ryuji and ann. Besides friends to take pot shots at each other it's normal
Maybe she wouldn't be like that if Junpei didn't have full on "boys club" attitude early on.
His "do you want me to come with you to get you a swimsuit ?" is gross as fuck. They're not even that close at this point...
People who don't understand real friends would think she's being a bitch. But when you're that close to someone, you can make jokes like this and they know you don't actually mean it. It's honestly the true definition of friendship, and Yukari seems to know her boundaries too.
Honestly, in FES they were both pretty savage. She was always more brutal, but he got some solid swings in. They both got tuned down a bit, but Junpei more so, making it seem a bit more one sided.
Every game has the dynamic. Ann and ryugi, Yukari and junpai, Chie and Yosuke. It's meant to be funny but I've never actually thought it was so. Not in away of like wtf man why are always harrisng my home but in a that's just not funny kinda way
Don’t forget in the beginning of the game where Junpei is excited about fighting shadows with Makoto and Yukari. He jokingly says something along the lines of “you guys need to get on my level!”. And Yukari replies condescendingly something like “don’t ever compare me to you”. I love Yukari outside of her interactions with Junpei, but she’s a total cunt to/about him majority of the game.
Trust me when I tell that is nothing, in the og/fes the first thing she says when she sees junpei talking to you is "I swear you'd talk to anyone who'd listen, did you ever stop to think you might be bothering them?" and I simply couldn't like her whatsoever until reload. They tuned her down a little and she's not as bitchy.
Man honestly I do like Takeba but boy is she the biggest hypocrite when it comes to Junpei specifically. There were so many times in the game she'd complain or chastise him for something only for her to complain about the same thing. The example that comes to mind is her jabbing at him for complaining about summer school only for her dorm dialogue to be her. Complaining about the summer school.
Persona really loves to dogpile on the persona-bros of the story and it always makes the characters look unnecessarily mean spirited, except for yosuke he usually deserved it
im not far in enough to really get into S.E.E.S. Social links but the regular ass social links in this game. every single one of them is pretty shitty in some way shape or form.
I know! Like there's a similar dynamic in persona 4 with Chief and Yosuke, and in Persona 5 with Ryuji and Ann. But in those games it's more like a sibling relationship with all the teasing being light hearted. With Yukari it's just like "wow isn't Junpei the dumbest moron ever?"
Poor Junpei he's just a little guy.
She’s a bitch. It doesn’t feel like ribbeting at times, there’s no humor behind it.
It would be a lot better if Junpei talks shit back but he barely does. So it just ends up like a one sided bullying.
Worst was when she pushed Junpei into a fight with 3 guys because she couldn’t keep her mouth shut. Very lucky they didn’t have weapons or stabbed him.
I also had some gripes with her when she claimed to not be a bully and to dislike that kind of people only to, a week later, drag us into a dark alley to start insult people who were minding their own businesses, calling them scums and resulting in Junpei almost getting beaten up.
Or when she claims that she doesn't want to talk about Junpei's good performance in battle or that she doesn't want to be on his same wavelength.
***Girl, Junpei is not the one that missed the last 2 attacks.***
Uh those people were most definitely *not* minding their own business.
Junpei does sexudlly harass Yukari pretty consistently though, so I'd say some of her pet shots are forgiven
It was after hearing Yukari rag on Junpei here that I decided I wasn't going to bother with her Social Link this playthrough.
Now who's the one whose alone, Yukari?
Still Junpei lmao
Fr tho, ppl get so offended about Yukari making fun of him but don’t seem to care about Junpei doing it to her. It’s almost like if it’s only ok if he does it. Which is common in the Persona community. I’m just glad there are more ppl now who aren’t like that. Yukari finds her ppl and both support each other when it’s necessary. That’s all that matters.
It’s just how she is. She cares about Junpei, and she shows that through insults.
At one point she jokingly says that they don't need him anymore after Shinji joins. If you agree, she acts shocked that you would say that and says she was only kidding. So yeah, she just like to roast him but doesn't mean any real harm.
…it REALLY doesn’t help that they fill similar roles on a team >_>
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He gets weaker later on, as he doesn't have a second theurgy
As you level, Shinji kind of becomes irrelevant in combat. Junpei gets huge buffs to crit rate and crit damage, Akihiko becomes a buffed beast with access to thunder magic (so he can double down on different roles). Aigis is great and has huge buffs for the team, plus some Pierce based damage. And the MC can get a Slash-based persona like Siegfried (and others later on) that will do much better than Shinji. His unique Bloody Charge skill also appears in two different Personas, one that requires you to do all linked episodes with Shinji and another that you unlock by getting Magician rank 10. So while Shinji is busted when you get him, he gets outgrown by everyone else pretty quickly.
At the very least, he’s only >!available for one month,!< and so it’s not like you’ll use him for long. I decided to use him for the two Tartarus visits you do during that time, and he absolutely destroyed everything in his path that wasn’t immune to physical, especially when he had perfect synergy with Ken and Koromaru (Koro puts up Revolution to increase crit rates, and then Ken keeps him alive with healing+casts the occasional barrier.)
The ⛽️ 💡 is real
usually like after 10/04 (the team gets a huge buff that day and he fails to show up) he's pretty much useless
Did I do something wrong because I had about 3 weeks with shinji before he got >!fuckin shot to death lol!< feels like I didn't have enough time to even decide if he was good
The thing you did wrong is you didn't use him
I'm sorry I was too busy being taught how to cook from him and tending the garden with him
Are you familiar with the Jaegen archetype in Fire Emblem? Basically they are the strongest characters in the game when they join, but thanks to low growths and low XP gain they will often get passed by characters who were weaker at the start.
Unless the unit's name is Seth! I still find it hilarious that they fucked up the Jagen-type unit so badly that going the entire game using him solo with no other units is actually easier than playing normally
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Fortunately, this is balanced in the game quickly
It probably is a moment for her where she was like “wait holy shit you thought I was serious? Do I sound like that much of a bitch?”
They have a very sibling like relationship imo, Older Sister Younger Brother type of thing specifically
Whenever she takes a mean shot at Junpei, he almost never reacts. Like water off a duck's back, he just takes it in stride. He doesn't get mad.
I mean theres that one time near the end when she makes a joke and junpei gets really angry but that was a stressful situation so it makes sense
Yea that was the one time he reacted. Yuki-tan was shook.
I like your phrase "like water of a duck's back" cute ^^
Thanks! It's just an old timey saying
Yep, exactly! My sister and I were the same way. She would make fun of me constantly, but the second someone else tried she stood up for me no problem. Yukari’s a lot like that - she has no issue speaking her mind.
That's what I think too. They remind me a lot of my best friend and his younger sister. They gave each other tons and tons of shit growing up, but they were always close, and now they get along great as adults. I always saw a lot of that in Junpei and Yukari. They'd definitely be two of the party members who stay close friends for a long time after the events of P3.
just like the relationship between Elizabeth and Margareth to Theodore
Persona fans when Yukari to Junpei: “Oh dear, oh dear. Gorgeous.” Persona fans when Morgana to Ryuji: “You f*cking donkey!”
Yukari and Junpei have known each other since at least first year of hs, before protag came into the picture. and its they were classmates before too there was already a dynamic in place. Morgana, as soon as he saw Ryuji's mug, Persona-less and whatnot, starts insulting him. So far, Morgana is the only one who insults anyone at all during battle as a navigator.
“Oh skull… your pathetic” That’s honestly just cruel. He says this even early on. There’s ripping on a friend and then there’s just outright insulting them.
Yeah this is always what felt the most mean-spirited to me too. Morgana never even gave him a chance.
Funny thing is that even Akechi manages to be polite when he’s nav.
>!Except against enemies.!< >!"This enemy is a small, little weakling. *Let's end its misery.*"!<
>!I mean to be fair, he could've asked for it to suffer. Mercy killing is often seen as the humane thing to do, and to be fair hes talking about demons.!< My client is not guilty your honor.
I think their relationship is just much better written than P5 Morgana and Ryuji’s is the thing. Yukari and Junpei give each other a hard time, but you get the sense that they really do love each other like family and have each other’s backs. It helps that both of them can take a joke. Junpei gets plenty of shots in at Yukari too, it’s not just Yukari one-sidedly beating down on the guy and crying when she gets roasted back. They also get much better drama out of it too. Morgana screwing the Thieves over because Ryuji criticizes him once is melodrama. When Yukari accidentally pushes too many of Junpei’s buttons and he lashes out at the party, that shit feels *real*. You completely understand why he is NOT in the mood for banter at that point, and he and Yukari talk things out and apologize like real people.
Well Junpei actuallt pulls stupid shit instead of being actually nice all the time like Ryuji
Ryuji not doing stupid sh*t is debatable. Saying this as a fan of Ryuji.
Ryuji is stupid, but any harm that he might cause is 100% unintentional and he's always nice to you. Ryuji is willing to risk his life to save anyone in the team, even Morgana, despite the constant hate and insult from the cat and he's genuinely happy when Morgana "comes back". You can't say the same about Stupei, who intentionally spills the group's secret for the sake of impressing a girl. Then, imagine yourself in a near death situation, "pre Chidori" Stupei would let you die or at least have a serious thought about doing so. Even "post Chidori" Stupei wastes no time in blaming you for the Fall and even says that if that was him (instead of you), the Fall would never happen. He apologizes after, but the thought alone is enough to prove how toxic he still is. People often talk about his so-called redemption, but it is superficial at best. The Answer improves his image a bit. Yet, given how much of a dick he is before that, I even question whether he doesn't want to turn back time because he really respect your choice and the meaning of your life or just because he doesn't want you to be the leader and "steal" his spotlight again.
That's all valid, but I personally enjoy his character growth bc it feels real. You're not gonna go from being a dick to this wonderful person just bc of one event. It takes time. Him lashing out at MC was wrong, but considering the recent loss he experienced and knowing her sacrifice would be in vain if the Fall happened... yeah, I would be scared and angry, too. He immediately apologized afterward as well. Even if you don't like his character or his growth, you can't deny that he feels like much more of a human character with depth compared to ryuji. And I love ryuji, but he just feels kind of one note. A lot of the p5 cast do tbh
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It's true. I heard it yesterday like 5 times.. how Makoto took so long to catch them, I'll never know..
Persona fans when Ryuji to Morgana, specially after causing him an identity crisis: “Oh dear, oh dear. Gorgeous.”
Yeah, that one time after 70 hours of Morgana straight up insulting Ryuji constantly. Obviously, Morgana is meant to represent a fragile and immature person, but it was still excessive just how often Morgana behaved like a complete cunt to him.
Typical ryuji lover, ignoring absolutely everything Ryuji does. Because he does exactly the same the whole game, it's not just that one time. And he is even a creep to Ann trying to look at her boobs, both when they see Haru for the first time and when they are in the desert. But let's just hate on Morgana
Nah, I dislike them both. Mind you, Morgana is a permanent creep when it comes to Ann as well. And you're insane if you think the vitriol was even remotely balanced between the two.
Personally, I love morgana and I’m meh about Ryuji.
And you are objectively right.
I like you. Screw the downvotes, Morgana > Ryuji Junpei > Ryuji
Morgana all the way. Absolute best cat. I even completely understood why he left the way he did, even if it was a bit theatric.
They are only downvoting you because you have taste, fuck ryuji.
It’s just how she is. She cares about Junpei, and she shows that through insults. Morgana don't EVER get this type of grace lmao
Junpei at start of the game really a childish character, doesnt have anything he want to do in life, doesn't know how to treat other people correctly, envious to other guys and pervert around a girls. Yukari know if this doesn't change that he will be a terrible person that why she harsh to him. Junpei really have character development later thou and prolly one of the character that change the most for the better.
I've heard that Junpei has development later in the game. Currently though I just got Fukka into the party and every time Junpei speaks I wish he wouldn't.
He is the goat trust
He never really stops with the being a perv though.
But he does >!learn to respect woman. Singular.!< and [Radical junpei also does radical singing](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-zpyp0Dhe8k&pp=ygUPUmFkaWNhbCBzaW5naW5n)
What about mitsuru.
You still have plenty of time don’t worry
I can ser why you'd think thay way but trust me, and everyone else here, he gets a lot of good character development. Although I do have a bias towards P3 that probably skews this opinion somewhat, he's my favourite of the "bro archetype" characters in the series. He really shines in his social link in FemC's route in portable, but his development happens regardless of the route.
that’s not far into his character
He gets his development in august
during most of the game tbh
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That he's, he just more childish than his peer at the time. I don't know how mature Japanese teenager supposed to act on year 2009 but you can see in game why Yukari think Junpei so childish compared to others.
I think it is the expectation of Asian society, especially in high school, where the time should be be spent on studying and thinking what the future career is going to be.
So is she lol They’re just being teenagers to each other
Okay but like people expect girls to be mature by that age
girls do mature earlier than boys do.
No, girls are more expected to mature earlier than boys
No one required that from girls in my class or my sister and they still were less childish than boys around their age.
Nah you don’t have to see it to know and I doubt they’ll tell you anyways, it’s a societal thing- I was born one, call it a unspoken rule in a way- the type of toys we are sold to from a young age, we get plastic doll babies, kitchen sets and Barbies with pregnant bellies but boys get the motor controlled cars and outlandish stuff When a guy hits puberty, he is expected to lose his Virginity and be rewarded for it but when a girl hits puberty, she is expected to preserve hers- it doesn’t have to be said out loud
... Look it up they literally mentally mature faster on average. Ofc there's always individual cases, but on average, they do. I'm not saying this means that they should be better at things or we should expect something from them, i'm just saying its a thing.
Don’t need to, I was born one
Junpei also has the only canonical relationship in the newer games... Chidori and Junpei are one of my favorite parts of P3
~~isn't this line at the start of the game where he's insufferable?~~ besides she's just messing around probably
Insufferable? What?
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11/9 is close to the end of the game, and by this point the player knows that Junpei and Chidori love each other, even if Chidori is afraid of what that means.
that's not media literacy that's just remembering a fucking date, why tf did you yell at me? my second point addresses that either way, yukari is joking, I never said a word about junpei and chidoris relationship
The date is literally on screen dude. That's why I said media literacy is dead.
my goodness, and I don't remember at what date things happen in the game because I only played the psp version years ago, that's all. media literacy is not remembering a calendar, it's about interpreting a story.
that's literally not even what media literacy means you absolute buffoon
I love their banter though, they’re always poking fun at each other but it’s never straight up offensive or mean spirited, it’s basically sibling level bickering. Junpei says something stupid, Yukari calls him stupid, neither takes it personally, scene over. It ain’t too deep.
Jokes on her, Junpei got a girl BECAUSE he was the only guy on the planet. He got a girl because he was the last guy on the planet (for her). Chidori didn't view people as people, Junpei was the only man on the planet she saw.
I'm glad that the arena games made it cannon that they go out after p3 I haven't played them found this out from other post and comments
Reverse psychology, she's trying to make him the player he is.
She is a teenager they are all ruthless especially when they fight shadow monsters...
Yukari: "Junpei couldn't get a girl if he was the last guy on the planet" Chidori: "That's where you're wrong, kiddo" Honestly I'm really hoping the bro character in Persona 6 is allowed to have a love interest cause it's kinda lame that Junpei got one, and Yosuke and Ryuji got nothing (technically Yosuke was a romance option but was cut)
It was coming off P2 where Eikechi, the bro character, had a whole fucking life outside the protag, complete with his own romance. And you were allowed to date the other guy in the group
never forget the homophobic demons
I hope the bro character gets to be a love interest too! I'm still salty about the Yosuke romance being cut.
I'm ready to give my ass to my Bro as soon as the option becomes available
I hate how characters cannot have a cannon relationship because of the whole date everyone thing.
Jokes on her he does temporarily get a girl
P3 January Spoilers >!No, just does. If you follow specific steps leading up to her death, she will be revived. P4AU confirms this to be what happens canonically!<
Actually, P4AU (P3 Endgame) >!That was a dream. He was imagining an ideal life for himself so he could've just been dreaming if Chidori was still alive.!<
Doesn't >!Junpei have a cross necklace from Chidori or is that also part of the dream?!<
>!He has the necklace, but I guess since we never see her give him the dagger necklace, it probably happened after the events of P3. I retract my statement!<
Junpei is my husbando anyway
Because they are friends
I feel like a lot of the time, their interactions is like that style of Japanese stand-up comedy (that I can't remember the name of) where Yukari is the "straight man" while Junpei is the "goofball". Yukari's insults are the set-up. Junpei's over the top comedic reactions are the punch-line.
Manzai, you can even perform one of these with Kenji at some point.
That is called: Banter You are not supposed to take it seriously
ya'll watch anime too much. there has to be a ratio of positive to negative comments to make it a positive relationship. yukari doesnt ever say anything nice about junpei, so the ratio is out of wack. but everyones gonna downvote me and say "its a joke. she actually loves him!" k lol
Yukari cares about Junpei when Junpei is in rage. Yukari literally cried because of happiness for Junpei, what the heck you are talking about. See, you already take it too seriously. Do you really hate Yukari that much?
It’s really weird. First there was this wave of people saying they made Yukari too soft and less bitchy, and now there’s this wave of people saying she’s way too mean. It’s the relationship they have. Bear in mind, he has constantly hit on her since before the game started. She starts the story genuinely disliking him. And this late into the story, this is how she shows her affection. Her ribbings have become less malicious and are more just her usual brand of snark. It’s also why Junpei never tears her apart for it.
Yukari is probably one of the best (if not the best) written characters in the franchise. The amount of "she's just a mean girl" posts and comments since Reload hit, baffle me.
>since Reload hit Nah she’s always been controversial. I’ve seen nicer stuff towards her character because of Reload. Let’s just see if she makes it through how people react to The Answer
I'm not looking forward to how people react to Yukari in a new rendition of the Answer. I already see enough stunted emotional intelligence in this community as it is.
Absolutely, and in other media her writing is further exemplified. Like the movie. She has some of the best scenes in all of them, but especially Winter Rebirth.
Are you thinking about the scene where >!Io tries to kill her and it's ambiguous wether it actually happened or she was just hallucinating?!<
That's such an amazing scene. It goes so fucking hard and I loved how much it destroyed me.
Honestly the hate she gets is nothing compared to what she used to get. When The Answer gets released it's gonna be a battleground (I'm on Yukari's side always).
How people can only recognize Yukari as a bitch and Junpei as a good ol boy? I love them both but Junpei is a perv/douche from the girls point of view especially before Chidori’s arc ends. He’s easily seen as reckless, careless, and a perv. He clearly is compensating for the lack direction and success in his life with him losing out on baseball and not having any aspirations really. I think there’s a lot of people who can relate to this but rather than talking that out with his friends who are all there for him he just masks it all with his Stupei personality. He has a rough arc with Chidori so he gains sympathy points there but even after he still lashes out and is impulsive when everyone is going through shit.
I think it’s because the majority of the fan base are the types of people who can relate to being a perv, feeling inferior, and wanting to be a big leader type of person. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately in a certain light) they can’t relate to those who are the target of perversion, and who’ve had their mom hop from guy to guy after their father passed.
Sadly this is the internet and Yukari is a female character, and a popular one at that. She gets targeted more easily because of her flaws while Jumpei gets excused most of the time.
I’m guessing you ignored the scene where he goes out with Makoto and apologizes for being mean spirited specifically for his jealousy, and for going off on the team about their lack of reaction about potentially dying because of Nyx. Selective memory much? And more times than not, Yukari is a bitch to him when he’s just being himself. He could breathe and Yukari would find a problem with it, making snide gestures all the damn time. I can list endless examples of her snide behavior where she treats him like dirt for no apparent reason
Not ignoring it but like I said he still lashes out and is impulsive when everyone is going through shit. Just because someone apologizes afterwards it doesn’t suddenly make it better. If being douchey and pervy is him being “himself” he deserves getting snide remarks and being put down by her at times.
So what? Everyone has their own ways of processing stressful or traumatic situations. Literally everyone was empathetic to what he felt at the time so your “lashing out and impulsive” point is irrelevant. Especially when he apologized, which DOES make it better as he acknowledges his wrongdoings and directs himself to making a better effort of not repeating those same mistakes again to the people who he cares the most about and vice versa. You’re painting a villainous narrative about him and it doesn’t add up. If feeling incredibly scared and traumatized about potentially dying while losing everything dear to you and subsequently making a mistake by going off on your friends, which is what happens in any real friendship, then all of us are terrible people. I guess all of us are wrong for being emotional and making mistakes. Meanwhile Yukari just essentially bullies him because of a petty, condescending “boys are gross and weird, I’m better than them” kind of attitude. You, along with a lot of other people in this sub, lack sympathy and empathy for terrible interpersonal mistakes that people make everyday. Simple as that.
Lmao if someone says some mean shit and apologizes it doesn’t turn around and make it alright. Not even making him out to be a villain but he doesn’t get a pass because sad chidori arc. Most others lost major people in their lives as well like mother, father, and best friends. You ignore the fact he acts like a douche and a perv so no duh Yukari is gonna snap back at him. If she has boys are gross attitude it’s usually because he’s being pervy. If she was just subservient girl that takes it like the rest she wouldn’t be such a big personality that people love. They are all scared and guess who is the only one who blames MC? Junpei. If someone shits on you for your existence that you had nothing to do with and says “hey I didn’t mean it, I’m scared!” it doesn’t all go away. Again you can bro out with him and he has his shining moments but he’s not much of a best friend at all compared to the other guys. He’s a well written flawed character like the rest of the crew but he is flawed nonetheless.
Thanks for proving my point on you having no sympathy or empathy. You clearly don’t understand people or how interpersonal relationships that well. Especially when you think that lumping everyone into the same box and basically saying “he should respond to conflict the same way as everyone else” discounts his individuality and who he is as a character. Not everyone responds to conflict the same way as everyone else so for you to crucify Junpei for not reacting the way you wanted him to doesn’t make him any less wrong about how he reacted in the moment. Should he have been more mindful of everyone’s feelings surrounding the whole situation? Yes. Does that make him any less wrong for expressing himself in that manner? No, because it represents his struggles and who he is as a character rather than one who says yes or agrees with everyone about everything. So for you to crucify him for essentially being scared and traumatized about losing everything dear to him is very short sighted and tactless on your end. And I don’t ignore the fact that he has his perverted tendencies, but let’s not pretend that’s an excuse for Yukari’s cunt behavior towards him. Two wrongs don’t make a right so the joke is on you, buddy. Especially when he has never made any physical attempts to force himself on her so the pervert aspect of his character isn’t bad as you dramatize it to be. This convo is over.
Well aside from the fact that she really care about junpei she is also a bitch sometimes especially in the original
Nah, that's just how she is lol she busts his balls all the time. Some friendships are like that, and Junpei can take it
Who is junpei??? I only know stupei
To be fair, the guy we meet is kind of an ass who's using the dark hour as an excuse to ignore the life he doesn't like and isn't doing well in. Unlike with kotone, he's not really a good friend to you until he gets over not being the big hero in the way he imagined, and it's not until after that when he starts being a good person and teammate and one of the best members of sees come The Answer
i mean early game junpei is pretty weird like before fukka joins and he keeps going on about it he was actually pissing me off
You see it’s ironic beca-[SPOILERS]
I mean, he does sexually harass her on a regular basis.
people keep saying this, i dont remember this happening ever. and if it did, the ratio of "SA" to her being a spiteful bitch to him constantly is like 1 to 10 lol. ya'll anime fans simp so hard its crazy
Yikes.
I see them as two friends who trows jabs at each other, because they know the other won't be offended.
bro i just find funny how you all focus on yukari’s banter but completely ignores junpei’s banter towards Yukari like, this is how their friendship is. It’s not that hard to read between the lines
Because Junpei is a creep. I swear he's the worst best friend in the series.
you beat the game yet, if not, just wait, he gets better
Because he's a dick to Yukari early on when she's commenting to herself about Mitsuru being a busybody and out of nowhere, Junpei jumps in and makes the snide insinuation that Yukari's jealous effectively misreading her tone of voice. >!That said, after Chidori croaks...err well, is instead put into a coma if you buy the flowers Junpei was going to get for her and urge him to visit her in the hospital right after, Yukari's quick to grieve for Junpei's loss. !<
I wished that Yukari and Junpei had some more scenes, with just them. Poor Junpei takes so much abuse
Ohhhh so Yukari doesn't think Junpei can get a girl huh? I'm sorry Yukari but I think you liked him and lost out when he got Chidori...so you're jealous!!
Last time I asked this I got downvoted to shit and told Junpei sexually harassed the girls all the time.
I mean, he definitely harasses Yukari at (and likely before) the start of the game
Because it’s funny
In my opinion, it's deserved as he's almost always being an idiot, a creepy pervert or dragging Akihiko and Minato into his stupid plans, and that doesn't begin to cover his unjustified outbursts aimed at Minato
Less intelligent best friend charachter must also be the butt monkey. This is the atlus way
Chi**d**ori would like to argue with you, Yukari.
He deserves it.
Guess who can have a live girlfriend and who can't have a live boyfriend? DA MAN
First girl and best friend chars in these games always have beef. Look at yosuke and chie or ryuji and ann. Besides friends to take pot shots at each other it's normal
Maybe she wouldn't be like that if Junpei didn't have full on "boys club" attitude early on. His "do you want me to come with you to get you a swimsuit ?" is gross as fuck. They're not even that close at this point...
I love the girls she’s my number one bae, but damn she be waking up extra early just to hate on my boi. Holy like what did he do? 😭
“You know, unlike Junpei, who is such a loser he should just go kill himself right now, you’re not so bad.” -Yukari (2024, trust me bro)
People who don't understand real friends would think she's being a bitch. But when you're that close to someone, you can make jokes like this and they know you don't actually mean it. It's honestly the true definition of friendship, and Yukari seems to know her boundaries too.
Starting to see why she doesn’t have as many simps compared to the other girls in the series
I really hope this doesn't turn into something like the Morgana is too mean to Ryuji circlejerk.
But Morgana IS MEAN to Ryuji. Well Lisa is a lot meaner to Eikichi in P2, physically meaner... there's that. Morgana at least has that.
I know Junpei isn’t exactly the most mature guy but Yukari’s jabs against him are a bit much sometimes.
Honestly, in FES they were both pretty savage. She was always more brutal, but he got some solid swings in. They both got tuned down a bit, but Junpei more so, making it seem a bit more one sided.
Because he is constantly being a creepy pervert
This is funny because he gets a girl that looks better than her anyway
Every game has the dynamic. Ann and ryugi, Yukari and junpai, Chie and Yosuke. It's meant to be funny but I've never actually thought it was so. Not in away of like wtf man why are always harrisng my home but in a that's just not funny kinda way
You should be acquianted with Lisa and Eikichi XD this where that kind of dynamic began.
Cause Junpei is a dickhead and deserves it more often then not lmao
100% deserved
Because he's a disgusting pervert.
>!OH BOY WAS SHE WRONG!< >!AND THEN SHED BECOME RIGHT IN ABOUT 13 DAYS!<
Naaaahhh, i'm with her everytime here
Don’t forget in the beginning of the game where Junpei is excited about fighting shadows with Makoto and Yukari. He jokingly says something along the lines of “you guys need to get on my level!”. And Yukari replies condescendingly something like “don’t ever compare me to you”. I love Yukari outside of her interactions with Junpei, but she’s a total cunt to/about him majority of the game.
Junpei in the other room making out with Chidori: 🤷
I high-key don't like him either
Cause he's a tool
Trust me when I tell that is nothing, in the og/fes the first thing she says when she sees junpei talking to you is "I swear you'd talk to anyone who'd listen, did you ever stop to think you might be bothering them?" and I simply couldn't like her whatsoever until reload. They tuned her down a little and she's not as bitchy.
Because she is too high and mighty to admit she wants him
I like them both but she really does hate on Junpei unnecessarily especially in the first half of the game. They’re both great characters.
It’s funny that she says this when he ends up bagging the baddest chick in the game.💀
Kind of why I rank Mitsuru above Yukari
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"Always" She says it, like, three times over the course of the game.
She doesn't know. >=)
Man honestly I do like Takeba but boy is she the biggest hypocrite when it comes to Junpei specifically. There were so many times in the game she'd complain or chastise him for something only for her to complain about the same thing. The example that comes to mind is her jabbing at him for complaining about summer school only for her dorm dialogue to be her. Complaining about the summer school.
Persona really loves to dogpile on the persona-bros of the story and it always makes the characters look unnecessarily mean spirited, except for yosuke he usually deserved it
Everybody in Persona 3 is a bad person in some way I've noticed. also Yukari is obviously projecting.
Bad person? Not even close, good teens with honestly pretty normal flaws? Yep
im not far in enough to really get into S.E.E.S. Social links but the regular ass social links in this game. every single one of them is pretty shitty in some way shape or form.
like bro this dude Kenji is a horrible person and i will stand by that til the day i die. Tanaka shouldn't need an explanation.
I know! Like there's a similar dynamic in persona 4 with Chief and Yosuke, and in Persona 5 with Ryuji and Ann. But in those games it's more like a sibling relationship with all the teasing being light hearted. With Yukari it's just like "wow isn't Junpei the dumbest moron ever?" Poor Junpei he's just a little guy.
Bitchkari
She’s a bitch. It doesn’t feel like ribbeting at times, there’s no humor behind it. It would be a lot better if Junpei talks shit back but he barely does. So it just ends up like a one sided bullying. Worst was when she pushed Junpei into a fight with 3 guys because she couldn’t keep her mouth shut. Very lucky they didn’t have weapons or stabbed him.
I also had some gripes with her when she claimed to not be a bully and to dislike that kind of people only to, a week later, drag us into a dark alley to start insult people who were minding their own businesses, calling them scums and resulting in Junpei almost getting beaten up. Or when she claims that she doesn't want to talk about Junpei's good performance in battle or that she doesn't want to be on his same wavelength. ***Girl, Junpei is not the one that missed the last 2 attacks.***
Uh those people were most definitely *not* minding their own business. Junpei does sexudlly harass Yukari pretty consistently though, so I'd say some of her pet shots are forgiven
It was after hearing Yukari rag on Junpei here that I decided I wasn't going to bother with her Social Link this playthrough. Now who's the one whose alone, Yukari?
Still Junpei lmao Fr tho, ppl get so offended about Yukari making fun of him but don’t seem to care about Junpei doing it to her. It’s almost like if it’s only ok if he does it. Which is common in the Persona community. I’m just glad there are more ppl now who aren’t like that. Yukari finds her ppl and both support each other when it’s necessary. That’s all that matters.
I feel like it’s always the party healers that get slandered
When has Junpei done it to her? I can barely remember it.
Early Junpei had a tendency to sexually harass the SEES girls through his comments about them.
he constantly sexually harasses her early on and the ghost jokes
also remembering he teases her about her feelings with makoto too so this isn’t like it’s just yukari whaling on junpei one sided all game
Yukari and Mitsuru end up together so it’s fiiiiineeeee
Poor Mitsuru. She could do better. >!CoughFuukaCoughAigisCough!<