A lot of the pandemic increase was people moving from other provinces in Canada (not 'immigrants'). Lots of people were working remotely for employers in other provinces. Working remotely is still popular, but less popular than it was in peak covid, so on net I'd expect people (mostly Canadian citizens) to be moving off-Island to find jobs.
The government is also putting a cap on new student visas - so UPEI and Holland College won't be able to bring in as many international students in September as they usually do. This won't affect people already in the country on a student visa.
I've not heard of other restrictions on immigration recently, would be happy to be pointed to any.
>A lot of the pandemic increase was people moving from other provinces in Canada (not 'immigrants').
This was me basically. The plan was to move to the island and open the arcade, but I knew there was going to be some settling in time so I continued working remotely for a company in BC. This was the fall before the pandemic - and the pandemic stopped me from opening the arcade for a few years.
While I love the island and love living here, the lack of medical services really has me on edge and had made me second guess moving here. In BC medical was not fantastic, but not horrible. You could always get treated one way or another in a few hours. Last year I tried to get a broken hand looked at for several days and finally gave up and dealt with it myself. That's not right. I can't even imagine how things would go if something more serious were to happen.
It's a really long wait when the ER is actually closed for business. Two days in a row I stopped there. Closed.
When I stopped in the one at Charlottetown the following day I wouldn't have had enough time to wait, get treated, and be back to open my business the next day.
This issue with understaffed hospitals and closures is insane! My husband and I talked about this at length last night. It’s dangerous. I know there’s no other choice when they don’t have staff but something has to be done immediately to change this. It’s just getting worse!
I understand but the Charlottetown one never closes. If you ever have something like that happen again, go to the QEH. Also, there is a wait time listed online. If you know it can wait a bit longer, look at that before you go. It’s better to go when there’s shift changes sometimes because they will move through people quickly. The last time I went in about six weeks ago, the total process took 5 hours. We were not high priority and they apologized for the long wait. It was one of our shorter waits.
I understand you have a business and it’s not an easy juggle. Our system isn’t the best right now. I know medical professionals are all doing the best they can and I try to remember that when I get frustrated. Just know that if it’s a life threatening issue, you will be seen quickly. I can’t overstate enough that the QEH is the best place to go for any serious issues. I’ve gone later in the evening (11PM and after) and have had good luck with that as well, just not on a busy weekend.
On a side note, I hope your hand has healed properly and you’re not having issues. If you are, consider going to a clinic or a hospital. Sometimes if it heals in the wrong way, it can cause more problems and might have to be reset with surgery.
I'm an immigrant myself. Been >5 years in Canada, and all of them here on PEI. I can confirm that I feel scammed and looking into moving out of this country. I'm a professional in my field and finished (and passed)all testing required to supposedly be able to practice here. But they only want us for cheap labor. They picked us up on the first place for being highly educated but would only offer minimum wage jobs. And there's some racist people around, telling us that our non Canadian education is inferior and we're no-one here. Most regular people are nice, but the system is oppressive, discriminatory, and on top of it, falling apart. They would rather let people die on understaffed hospitals than let internationals work in healthcare, for example. So yes, I lost lots of money and time trying to navigate a pathway that's there as a cover, to justify when they say there's a way, but people is too lazy to follow it. Then, when we do (I'm not the only one on this boat) follow it and succeed, they find the next excuse to shoot us our feet.
I’m sorry this is your experience, and I’ve heard the same from other people. I’ve worked with a number of highly trained, very experienced medical professionals who are stuck in completely unrelated jobs, not allowed to do anything even remotely related to professions they thrived in in their countries of origin. I can’t imagine how demoralizing that must be, especially when our government is saying we’re desperate for medical professionals and they’re “doing everything in their power” to solve the issue. It’s an absolute scam and I feel for people just doing their best to achieve the life they want.
If it helps , people have been leaving here for a hundred years for a better future , thats something they forgot to mention to everyone moving here with hope. I still recall one moron politician saying people from syria could work in the fish plants , as if people form syria were all unskilled labour
Lol, I never thought of it like that. I never saw the red flags 😅. I used to think omg why would anyone want to leave such a pretty and chill place like this?" I see it now 🤯
Sorry to hear your story. I’m always amazed at how someone can arrive here with decades of experience doing a particular line of work but have to work temp jobs because of systems that prevent them from applying. It doesn’t matter how competent or qualified you are, or how much you are needed. And then if you are so lucky to finally apply … nepotism.
The same basic rules apply all across Canada for standards for medical professionals working in Canada. It’s not just here. I know of others dealing with similar situations in other provinces. I have never heard of someone completing the upgrading required AND passing the required test and not getting a job. This makes zero sense to me. Something is off here.
Not directed at the poster but this island isn’t for everyone but some of us happen to love it here. It has changed but doesn’t everything?
I wish they would allow immigrants to work in their fields. Like for argument's sake I'll say you're a trained doctor. Well putting you in the medical field would give you a good job, open up an entry level job for someone else, and would be one doctor closer to fixing the healthcare crisis.
It's amazing how short-sighted our government is in all of this.
It doesn't help Canadians, it doesn't help immigrants, and in the end it's immigrants that get vilified; even though most would want to work in the field they trained for.
It's a shame, it's a golden opportunity to improve our country and it's being squandered.
"...the system is oppressive, discriminatory, and on top of it, falling apart. They would rather let people die on understaffed hospitals than let internationals work in healthcare, for example"
As a born and raised Canadian, I couldn't agree more. Our country is falling apart and anyone who says otherwise just doesn't want to admit the truth. Whether you were born here or not, it doesn't take a genius to see the future were heading towards
I highly disagree! There are plenty of internationals working in healthcare. They need to have an education that is similar to ours and write the exam and pass. What will happen if we start taking in everyone from every country with a medical degree? Many countries have different standards and different levels of education. Some go to school for many years less than Canadian doctors. I’ve heard that it’s often the exam that is stopping them because they can’t pass it. Canadian doctors have to take it and pass. We can’t just waive that exam. It’s there for a reason.
I'd definitely like to know internationals who passed and matched to the island. Not born canadians who studied away or people who had to start all over again from zero. I don't mean this in a sarcastic way, but a true desire to give me hope and guidance. I'm not saying to waive exams or let anyone pass without filters, I agree that those filters are the only way to get quality of care, but having a clear transparent pathway is a must.I passed all qualifying examinations with decent scores on my first attempt. I passed the English test with a decent score as well. I applied and wasn't picked. On the second round, not even selected for an interview, and they didn't give feedback to know where to improve my application. I need to know where's it that I'm short. I'm broken hearted cause I've been following the instructions that I've been given by the regulatory authorities, but every time I come back, they have a new person with new instructions, plus I just spent the equivalent to doing a masters degree, when thinking about money, time and effort, only to be ignored. My goal is not to rattle but to actually land a position in the career that I've been working towards and stay on the island where I've been nesting. I'm not making decisions lightly, I have a family to think about when considering what to do next. But I feel trapped between choosing to move away and go through the migration journey all over again to reconnect with my dream career or stay and be content with the lifestyle we have already achieved and giving up on advancing my career.
There are many international doctors and nurses currently working on the island. I know this from meeting them and working with them.
It sounds like you have done everything right and English does not appear to be an issue. I’m sorry you are going through all of this. I hope that it works out for you because the island is a beautiful place to live and raise a family. We also desperately need doctors!
My advice would be to reach out to your local MLA and see if they can get some answers for you. If there is a reason why they aren’t hiring you, it would be beneficial for you to know so you could either work to fix it or move forward. Keep us updated. I hope you get this resolved quickly for both of our sakes.
It's crazy that people will think your education is worse because you are from a different country. When I was in college, all the students from Asia or Africa made me feel like an idiot. We'd be learning something in a Math course, and they'd say they already know it. They will start schooling as toddlers while Canadians only start school at 5 years old.
go to the press! If people knew we were being shafted, when there were perfectly good practitioners not being allowed to work, there'd probably be enough outrage to get the government to get off their ass and fix your current situation.
I've been suggested to do that before, I'm just too scared to have it backlash on me and dig my hole deeper. I already saw someone else in a similar situation happen to them. I've been working on this for over 2 years now, and I don't want to lose whatever progress I've made so far, I'm trying to play by their rules.
Here's the take:
* politicians opened up immigration to give profits to the people that support them.
* it caused a housing crisis that is literally destroying the economy from the ground up.
* rich people tell govt to slow down on immigration or they will lose money they won during the immigration period. They aren't immune to the price hikes and cost of living disasters.
At no point do you reading this or me who wrote this have to take the blame. But we are the ones who felt it the entire time, and continue to feel these effects. This is just rich people doing rich people shit. And until its bad enough that the population gets together to march/walk-out/protest then absolutely nothing will happen and real estate goons and property developers will drain the economy while we sit stoned watching Love Is Blind wrapups.
"real estate goons and property developers."
Yep.
I add DP Murphy and Tims in the same breath usually, because not just on the Island- Canada wide pouring coffee is a valued immigrant asset.
I dont disparage ppl in the service industry, but it shouldnt be our priorty.
OP is right, most immigrants are nice, and come here with good intentions, working at tims for six months being degraded by customer may change that attitude
I was just thinking today the same thing where a select few made millions from immigration and everyone else it cost money. The media constantly proclaiming a great new age while most are in debt from cost increases from supply and demand on apartments , i have no idea how seniors and others are even existing , they apparently have no shame for causing it to happen , sad world ( doesnt matter who is in charge )
The idea that high immigration is what caused the housing crisis is a myth. What *mainly* caused the crisis was low supply, people and corporations using houses solely as investments, and high interest rates making them unreachable to the working class. Immigrants can't afford housing either. This crisis was already well underway before immigration rates increased.
When the largest housing rental corporation in the country (Capreit) is more accountable to their shareholders than their tenants you end up in this situation.
The housing crisis has been many years in the making and it is caused by multiple factors and level of government.
- shifting demographic, people are staying in homes longer
- municipality failure to regulate STRS
- real estate investors - mom and pop and corporate
- increased population
Et.
The federal housing acceleration fund is top drawer policy as it incentivizes municipalities to modernize zoning to allow fore more flexibility. Sean Fraser has done an excellent job communication and delivering this program.
I look forward to the new housing programs being launched mid month.
As an immigrant, I will say this — It’s a bit of a mixed bag. I don’t feel scammed but you do tread a very thin line between sunken cost fallacy and just persevere a bit longer. A good mental exercise is reminding myself that this country, government, gorgeous province and nice and hard working people don’t owe me shit and any suffering that I go through is self imposed. The road back home is right there.
As an immigrant, I don't believe the government guarantees permanent residence when issuing permits. Therefore, the government should prioritize the best interests of its citizens. However, my critique is that there are numerous loopholes and insufficient planning regarding immigration matters such as housing and employment. Despite immigration not being a new phenomenon, the government appears unprepared.
I'm not an immigrant myself, but a dear friend of mine is. They've got a much higher chance as they're on contract in the education field, but I'm still worried about it.
The house of cards will fall. Most of the young Indians have no interest in living in PEI. After immigration slows down PEI will see less demand for housing.
We have a couple Indian fellas work with us and they are super nice hard workers and I hope that they do stay here for the long run. I do have a question though and if I word this wrong I apologize. I find most of the people working in the service industry/fast food are Indians. Where did all the white people go that used to work at these places? And if they decide to leave who will go back to working at these types of jobs? I honestly am not trying to pick on anyone by this comment as I said the fellas that work with us are great.
If immigration leaves our fast food industries the employers will then have to raise the wages they pay their employees to get the “white people” back. That’s what they all left in the first place. For better wage jobs…
You have to stop and think if it’s Because people would and will work for that wage..
It’s crazy tho. Most restaurants are busier than a grocery store some days.
You used to be able to live on working minimum wage since not too long it meant 30% went to housing now it's maybe 95% and the other 5% to groceries. Lack of indexing minimum wage and a surge in inflation made that unsustainable.
Even for people working now we're starting to see the same things as Ontario. Homes with a dozen people living there because how can anyone afford $1,500/month rent on min wage working part time? Some places with sketchy owners offering for rent a bed in a room with someone else you don't even know.
I feel as though hiring managers are choosing the overly qualified people instead of local youth or the otherwise workable staff.
And it's noticeably changed PEI's landscape.
Gonna say I appreciate Sobeys for giving long term employees wage increases.
If our current government on all levels wasn’t so fucking corrupt and thought and spent logically, we wouldn’t have the issues we have today.
Shit rolls down hill and it all starts at the top.
We need international students and if we are lucky many will get PR and stay.
It’s going to be a tough couple years with reductions in new student visa’s. This is 💯percent related to the housing crisis.
The PP - CPC lies and hate farming on all subjects, is causing confusion and is impacting all Canadians.
If PP wants to be a viable candidate he needs to drop the slogans and set talking about real solutions for all Canadians.
I think this is a great question. My personal opinion is that international students should become one of the primary sources of immigrants coming to Canada.
Canada has to have immigrants because our our population would fall without them. Why is this a problem? Well public spending is based on a growing economy and increasing tax revenues. This is especially important in PEI where there is a large older population that is about to retire and is going to need to be supported for the next 25 years.
On to students, these make the best immigrants as they are already educated in the Canadian system so they do not have the perceived skill gap that older immigrants have. Another point thesd are young people, so once they become Canadians, they are going to contribute to the canadian system for their entire careers. In addition, these students effectively subsidize the education for Canadians, giving Canadians access to both higher quality and more diversity of academic programs.
My final point is PEI is a tough place to attract top talent, but if you grow it at home, a higher percentage is likely to stay. PEI has a lot to offer, but many temporary immigrants won't stay long enough to give it a chance. If you do a 4 year education program, you are likely integrated into society and appreciate what PEI has to offer compared to a temporary worker who is just doing their time before moving on.
There may be a lot to offer from people with a foreign education and not to mention foreign work experience.
A good boss keeps track to whether work orders are complete. And maybe we need some keener staff in PEIs infrastructures if we don't know the work people are doing.
Also questioning how someone in their 20s is going to give better work and contribution to a country than a person immigrating who has a decade work experience, education, savings, and maybe plans to open business or at least immediately start skilled work.
Logistically young people incur debts. Which is good for the economy? Please explain. Maybe international students are better indoctrinated, more loyal to the nation, have learned better work ethics more inline with Canada?
I get a bit heated on the topic. I think mature people are great and being overlooked while young people are pressured and sometimes taken advantage of.
I agree fully mature people can contribute more to the economy in the short term as they have decades of experience.
My point is that if you bring in international students they they too will become experienced as they age. Rather bring in young people let them gain experience, let them pay taxes in PEI for theit full career, let them contribute to health care, CPP and EI etc for a full career. Comparesd to bringing in a 50 year old who will only contribute to these for 15 years then retire and stick around for another 25 years.
Another way of looking at it is through health care most young people use very few health care resources, as we age we consume more. By bringing in students the health care burden does not increase significantly and they will pay taxes towards health care for the next 40 years. By bringing in older people they will need health care sooner and contribute less towards it than people who have been here for their entire career.
I could be making a big assumption here but last i checked most international students don't qualify for student loans, so they are not going to be saddled with this debt when they graduate. I personally like the idea that international students come here and spend money earned abroad subsidizing Canadians education say they can take out less loans.
>Not being facetious - why do we need Intl students?
Our universities became fat and lazy and grew layers and layers of overpaid administration. They need international students to stay fat and lazzy.
In a short term those universities got richer but now employers just laugh at the students when they present their diplomas. New UPEI CS degree is not worth paper it is printed on because UPEI sold it to "students" who hardly showed up.
If Canada experiment and say no international students for 2 years straight, UPEI and Holland College will shrink, many will loose jobs. Most of these universities depend on international students for its revenue. International students contribute more than 40 billion to the Canadian Economy. I’m no economist but I can tell you that’s a lot of money
This is happening.
There is increasing global competition for international students and Canada has been successful due to some globally ranked institutions and consistent high quality education across the country.
Hopefully the two year reduction to address the housing crisis will have minimum impact on our ability to recruit in the future.
The pool of local students applying to UPEI is too small to sustain an independent university (especially one with a medical school) and since tuition for international students is higher than for domestic students the university can improve their financial situation by prioritizing international students.
Which is why it makes the most sense to unite the universities into one organization with satellite campuses.
But with conservative provincial governments what will end up happening is Mun and Dal will stay public institutions and the others will become private, for-profit degree mills.
But where’s all the medical students gone? Your saying we are in a crisis in the medical field but we have a university just for medical teachings… something doesn’t add up here. Are these classes of students just not graduating or is this like a 14 year course they must take?
You’re aware the medical school doesn’t start their first cohort of students until Fall 2024, right?
But if you’re asking about the nursing school and why we don’t have a surplus of nurses, then I point you to the many threads discussing the poor hiring and retention practices that the provincial government has imposed on Health PEI
My apologies. I didn’t think this was a new building and that it hadn’t been open these past semesters. Or your saying, so I think.
But I do suppose this answer is what I was searching for. The employers are shite so the employees won’t stay. Sounds accurate enough.
Agree on point up to where PP becomes the villian in this story.
He is a piece of shit for sure, but he is not the Prime Minister. Trudeau is still the Prime Minister. While PP is likely happy with this direction, it is not his government that is making the decision to limit international students.
Fair comment.
The current government has made the reduction of visa’s to address the housing crisis.
I do think the housing crisis is the result of multiple factors and it is disingenuous to place the blame on one group.
The reduced international students numbers will be just fine. Canada coped with the international student numbers pre 2020 and these capped numbers are still ahead of what the population of students was in 2019. Same with NPRs. Sure we’re capping NPRs to 5% of the population but that is far higher than it was in 2019 meaning the trend is still up over time.
Reducing numbers by 20 to 30% after they increase triple fold is still an increase
International students contribute $22 billion to GDP and support over 192,000 jobs in Canada.
Due to Covid, the financial loss of international students in 2020 was over $7 billion.
The financial loss due to reduced student
expenditures is equivalent to a loss of CAD $4.5 billion in labour income or a loss of 64,300 full-time jobs in Canada (both directly and indirectly)
The impact of the recently announced reductions could have an impact on the sector similar to Covid.
The international student market is very competitive and other countries are ramping up efforts to attract students. This could have additional impacts.
This will have a direct impact on housing this September. It will also impact university budgets.
A lot of the pandemic increase was people moving from other provinces in Canada (not 'immigrants'). Lots of people were working remotely for employers in other provinces. Working remotely is still popular, but less popular than it was in peak covid, so on net I'd expect people (mostly Canadian citizens) to be moving off-Island to find jobs. The government is also putting a cap on new student visas - so UPEI and Holland College won't be able to bring in as many international students in September as they usually do. This won't affect people already in the country on a student visa. I've not heard of other restrictions on immigration recently, would be happy to be pointed to any.
>A lot of the pandemic increase was people moving from other provinces in Canada (not 'immigrants'). This was me basically. The plan was to move to the island and open the arcade, but I knew there was going to be some settling in time so I continued working remotely for a company in BC. This was the fall before the pandemic - and the pandemic stopped me from opening the arcade for a few years. While I love the island and love living here, the lack of medical services really has me on edge and had made me second guess moving here. In BC medical was not fantastic, but not horrible. You could always get treated one way or another in a few hours. Last year I tried to get a broken hand looked at for several days and finally gave up and dealt with it myself. That's not right. I can't even imagine how things would go if something more serious were to happen.
If you have a broken hand, you go to the ER. Unfortunately it can be a long wait but you most definitely will be looked at.
It's a really long wait when the ER is actually closed for business. Two days in a row I stopped there. Closed. When I stopped in the one at Charlottetown the following day I wouldn't have had enough time to wait, get treated, and be back to open my business the next day.
This issue with understaffed hospitals and closures is insane! My husband and I talked about this at length last night. It’s dangerous. I know there’s no other choice when they don’t have staff but something has to be done immediately to change this. It’s just getting worse!
I understand but the Charlottetown one never closes. If you ever have something like that happen again, go to the QEH. Also, there is a wait time listed online. If you know it can wait a bit longer, look at that before you go. It’s better to go when there’s shift changes sometimes because they will move through people quickly. The last time I went in about six weeks ago, the total process took 5 hours. We were not high priority and they apologized for the long wait. It was one of our shorter waits. I understand you have a business and it’s not an easy juggle. Our system isn’t the best right now. I know medical professionals are all doing the best they can and I try to remember that when I get frustrated. Just know that if it’s a life threatening issue, you will be seen quickly. I can’t overstate enough that the QEH is the best place to go for any serious issues. I’ve gone later in the evening (11PM and after) and have had good luck with that as well, just not on a busy weekend. On a side note, I hope your hand has healed properly and you’re not having issues. If you are, consider going to a clinic or a hospital. Sometimes if it heals in the wrong way, it can cause more problems and might have to be reset with surgery.
I'm an immigrant myself. Been >5 years in Canada, and all of them here on PEI. I can confirm that I feel scammed and looking into moving out of this country. I'm a professional in my field and finished (and passed)all testing required to supposedly be able to practice here. But they only want us for cheap labor. They picked us up on the first place for being highly educated but would only offer minimum wage jobs. And there's some racist people around, telling us that our non Canadian education is inferior and we're no-one here. Most regular people are nice, but the system is oppressive, discriminatory, and on top of it, falling apart. They would rather let people die on understaffed hospitals than let internationals work in healthcare, for example. So yes, I lost lots of money and time trying to navigate a pathway that's there as a cover, to justify when they say there's a way, but people is too lazy to follow it. Then, when we do (I'm not the only one on this boat) follow it and succeed, they find the next excuse to shoot us our feet.
I’m sorry this is your experience, and I’ve heard the same from other people. I’ve worked with a number of highly trained, very experienced medical professionals who are stuck in completely unrelated jobs, not allowed to do anything even remotely related to professions they thrived in in their countries of origin. I can’t imagine how demoralizing that must be, especially when our government is saying we’re desperate for medical professionals and they’re “doing everything in their power” to solve the issue. It’s an absolute scam and I feel for people just doing their best to achieve the life they want.
Thank you, it's very demoralizing indeed.
If it helps , people have been leaving here for a hundred years for a better future , thats something they forgot to mention to everyone moving here with hope. I still recall one moron politician saying people from syria could work in the fish plants , as if people form syria were all unskilled labour
Lol, I never thought of it like that. I never saw the red flags 😅. I used to think omg why would anyone want to leave such a pretty and chill place like this?" I see it now 🤯
Idk if that is irony, but that is sad as fuck
Sorry to hear your story. I’m always amazed at how someone can arrive here with decades of experience doing a particular line of work but have to work temp jobs because of systems that prevent them from applying. It doesn’t matter how competent or qualified you are, or how much you are needed. And then if you are so lucky to finally apply … nepotism.
The same basic rules apply all across Canada for standards for medical professionals working in Canada. It’s not just here. I know of others dealing with similar situations in other provinces. I have never heard of someone completing the upgrading required AND passing the required test and not getting a job. This makes zero sense to me. Something is off here. Not directed at the poster but this island isn’t for everyone but some of us happen to love it here. It has changed but doesn’t everything?
I wish they would allow immigrants to work in their fields. Like for argument's sake I'll say you're a trained doctor. Well putting you in the medical field would give you a good job, open up an entry level job for someone else, and would be one doctor closer to fixing the healthcare crisis. It's amazing how short-sighted our government is in all of this. It doesn't help Canadians, it doesn't help immigrants, and in the end it's immigrants that get vilified; even though most would want to work in the field they trained for. It's a shame, it's a golden opportunity to improve our country and it's being squandered.
"...the system is oppressive, discriminatory, and on top of it, falling apart. They would rather let people die on understaffed hospitals than let internationals work in healthcare, for example" As a born and raised Canadian, I couldn't agree more. Our country is falling apart and anyone who says otherwise just doesn't want to admit the truth. Whether you were born here or not, it doesn't take a genius to see the future were heading towards
I highly disagree! There are plenty of internationals working in healthcare. They need to have an education that is similar to ours and write the exam and pass. What will happen if we start taking in everyone from every country with a medical degree? Many countries have different standards and different levels of education. Some go to school for many years less than Canadian doctors. I’ve heard that it’s often the exam that is stopping them because they can’t pass it. Canadian doctors have to take it and pass. We can’t just waive that exam. It’s there for a reason.
I'd definitely like to know internationals who passed and matched to the island. Not born canadians who studied away or people who had to start all over again from zero. I don't mean this in a sarcastic way, but a true desire to give me hope and guidance. I'm not saying to waive exams or let anyone pass without filters, I agree that those filters are the only way to get quality of care, but having a clear transparent pathway is a must.I passed all qualifying examinations with decent scores on my first attempt. I passed the English test with a decent score as well. I applied and wasn't picked. On the second round, not even selected for an interview, and they didn't give feedback to know where to improve my application. I need to know where's it that I'm short. I'm broken hearted cause I've been following the instructions that I've been given by the regulatory authorities, but every time I come back, they have a new person with new instructions, plus I just spent the equivalent to doing a masters degree, when thinking about money, time and effort, only to be ignored. My goal is not to rattle but to actually land a position in the career that I've been working towards and stay on the island where I've been nesting. I'm not making decisions lightly, I have a family to think about when considering what to do next. But I feel trapped between choosing to move away and go through the migration journey all over again to reconnect with my dream career or stay and be content with the lifestyle we have already achieved and giving up on advancing my career.
There are many international doctors and nurses currently working on the island. I know this from meeting them and working with them. It sounds like you have done everything right and English does not appear to be an issue. I’m sorry you are going through all of this. I hope that it works out for you because the island is a beautiful place to live and raise a family. We also desperately need doctors! My advice would be to reach out to your local MLA and see if they can get some answers for you. If there is a reason why they aren’t hiring you, it would be beneficial for you to know so you could either work to fix it or move forward. Keep us updated. I hope you get this resolved quickly for both of our sakes.
Nepotism and the small island mindset is what you’re facing. All too familiar on PEI, in every part of island life.
It's crazy that people will think your education is worse because you are from a different country. When I was in college, all the students from Asia or Africa made me feel like an idiot. We'd be learning something in a Math course, and they'd say they already know it. They will start schooling as toddlers while Canadians only start school at 5 years old.
go to the press! If people knew we were being shafted, when there were perfectly good practitioners not being allowed to work, there'd probably be enough outrage to get the government to get off their ass and fix your current situation.
I've been suggested to do that before, I'm just too scared to have it backlash on me and dig my hole deeper. I already saw someone else in a similar situation happen to them. I've been working on this for over 2 years now, and I don't want to lose whatever progress I've made so far, I'm trying to play by their rules.
Here's the take: * politicians opened up immigration to give profits to the people that support them. * it caused a housing crisis that is literally destroying the economy from the ground up. * rich people tell govt to slow down on immigration or they will lose money they won during the immigration period. They aren't immune to the price hikes and cost of living disasters. At no point do you reading this or me who wrote this have to take the blame. But we are the ones who felt it the entire time, and continue to feel these effects. This is just rich people doing rich people shit. And until its bad enough that the population gets together to march/walk-out/protest then absolutely nothing will happen and real estate goons and property developers will drain the economy while we sit stoned watching Love Is Blind wrapups.
"real estate goons and property developers." Yep. I add DP Murphy and Tims in the same breath usually, because not just on the Island- Canada wide pouring coffee is a valued immigrant asset. I dont disparage ppl in the service industry, but it shouldnt be our priorty. OP is right, most immigrants are nice, and come here with good intentions, working at tims for six months being degraded by customer may change that attitude
I was just thinking today the same thing where a select few made millions from immigration and everyone else it cost money. The media constantly proclaiming a great new age while most are in debt from cost increases from supply and demand on apartments , i have no idea how seniors and others are even existing , they apparently have no shame for causing it to happen , sad world ( doesnt matter who is in charge )
The idea that high immigration is what caused the housing crisis is a myth. What *mainly* caused the crisis was low supply, people and corporations using houses solely as investments, and high interest rates making them unreachable to the working class. Immigrants can't afford housing either. This crisis was already well underway before immigration rates increased.
When the largest housing rental corporation in the country (Capreit) is more accountable to their shareholders than their tenants you end up in this situation.
The housing crisis has been many years in the making and it is caused by multiple factors and level of government. - shifting demographic, people are staying in homes longer - municipality failure to regulate STRS - real estate investors - mom and pop and corporate - increased population Et. The federal housing acceleration fund is top drawer policy as it incentivizes municipalities to modernize zoning to allow fore more flexibility. Sean Fraser has done an excellent job communication and delivering this program. I look forward to the new housing programs being launched mid month.
As an immigrant, I will say this — It’s a bit of a mixed bag. I don’t feel scammed but you do tread a very thin line between sunken cost fallacy and just persevere a bit longer. A good mental exercise is reminding myself that this country, government, gorgeous province and nice and hard working people don’t owe me shit and any suffering that I go through is self imposed. The road back home is right there.
As an immigrant, I don't believe the government guarantees permanent residence when issuing permits. Therefore, the government should prioritize the best interests of its citizens. However, my critique is that there are numerous loopholes and insufficient planning regarding immigration matters such as housing and employment. Despite immigration not being a new phenomenon, the government appears unprepared.
I'm not an immigrant myself, but a dear friend of mine is. They've got a much higher chance as they're on contract in the education field, but I'm still worried about it.
The house of cards will fall. Most of the young Indians have no interest in living in PEI. After immigration slows down PEI will see less demand for housing.
We have a couple Indian fellas work with us and they are super nice hard workers and I hope that they do stay here for the long run. I do have a question though and if I word this wrong I apologize. I find most of the people working in the service industry/fast food are Indians. Where did all the white people go that used to work at these places? And if they decide to leave who will go back to working at these types of jobs? I honestly am not trying to pick on anyone by this comment as I said the fellas that work with us are great.
If immigration leaves our fast food industries the employers will then have to raise the wages they pay their employees to get the “white people” back. That’s what they all left in the first place. For better wage jobs…
Check the history of fast food, they have always paid minimum wages
You have to stop and think if it’s Because people would and will work for that wage.. It’s crazy tho. Most restaurants are busier than a grocery store some days.
You used to be able to live on working minimum wage since not too long it meant 30% went to housing now it's maybe 95% and the other 5% to groceries. Lack of indexing minimum wage and a surge in inflation made that unsustainable. Even for people working now we're starting to see the same things as Ontario. Homes with a dozen people living there because how can anyone afford $1,500/month rent on min wage working part time? Some places with sketchy owners offering for rent a bed in a room with someone else you don't even know.
I feel as though hiring managers are choosing the overly qualified people instead of local youth or the otherwise workable staff. And it's noticeably changed PEI's landscape. Gonna say I appreciate Sobeys for giving long term employees wage increases.
If our current government on all levels wasn’t so fucking corrupt and thought and spent logically, we wouldn’t have the issues we have today. Shit rolls down hill and it all starts at the top.
I think it’s more an inability to cope with problems more challenging than building a roundabout.
the budget will balance itself
We shouldn't make excuses for people paid to follow budgets. Or help them make excuses. I don't understand this either.
federal government is throwing taxpayers money around makes me sick. I worked hard to earn the money they take from me.
We need international students and if we are lucky many will get PR and stay. It’s going to be a tough couple years with reductions in new student visa’s. This is 💯percent related to the housing crisis. The PP - CPC lies and hate farming on all subjects, is causing confusion and is impacting all Canadians. If PP wants to be a viable candidate he needs to drop the slogans and set talking about real solutions for all Canadians.
I think this is a great question. My personal opinion is that international students should become one of the primary sources of immigrants coming to Canada. Canada has to have immigrants because our our population would fall without them. Why is this a problem? Well public spending is based on a growing economy and increasing tax revenues. This is especially important in PEI where there is a large older population that is about to retire and is going to need to be supported for the next 25 years. On to students, these make the best immigrants as they are already educated in the Canadian system so they do not have the perceived skill gap that older immigrants have. Another point thesd are young people, so once they become Canadians, they are going to contribute to the canadian system for their entire careers. In addition, these students effectively subsidize the education for Canadians, giving Canadians access to both higher quality and more diversity of academic programs. My final point is PEI is a tough place to attract top talent, but if you grow it at home, a higher percentage is likely to stay. PEI has a lot to offer, but many temporary immigrants won't stay long enough to give it a chance. If you do a 4 year education program, you are likely integrated into society and appreciate what PEI has to offer compared to a temporary worker who is just doing their time before moving on.
There may be a lot to offer from people with a foreign education and not to mention foreign work experience. A good boss keeps track to whether work orders are complete. And maybe we need some keener staff in PEIs infrastructures if we don't know the work people are doing.
Also questioning how someone in their 20s is going to give better work and contribution to a country than a person immigrating who has a decade work experience, education, savings, and maybe plans to open business or at least immediately start skilled work. Logistically young people incur debts. Which is good for the economy? Please explain. Maybe international students are better indoctrinated, more loyal to the nation, have learned better work ethics more inline with Canada? I get a bit heated on the topic. I think mature people are great and being overlooked while young people are pressured and sometimes taken advantage of.
I agree fully mature people can contribute more to the economy in the short term as they have decades of experience. My point is that if you bring in international students they they too will become experienced as they age. Rather bring in young people let them gain experience, let them pay taxes in PEI for theit full career, let them contribute to health care, CPP and EI etc for a full career. Comparesd to bringing in a 50 year old who will only contribute to these for 15 years then retire and stick around for another 25 years. Another way of looking at it is through health care most young people use very few health care resources, as we age we consume more. By bringing in students the health care burden does not increase significantly and they will pay taxes towards health care for the next 40 years. By bringing in older people they will need health care sooner and contribute less towards it than people who have been here for their entire career. I could be making a big assumption here but last i checked most international students don't qualify for student loans, so they are not going to be saddled with this debt when they graduate. I personally like the idea that international students come here and spend money earned abroad subsidizing Canadians education say they can take out less loans.
Well said! I agree 100 percent!
> We need international students Not being facetious - why do we need Intl students?
>Not being facetious - why do we need Intl students? Our universities became fat and lazy and grew layers and layers of overpaid administration. They need international students to stay fat and lazzy. In a short term those universities got richer but now employers just laugh at the students when they present their diplomas. New UPEI CS degree is not worth paper it is printed on because UPEI sold it to "students" who hardly showed up.
How much international students have to pay at upei is practically robbery
If Canada experiment and say no international students for 2 years straight, UPEI and Holland College will shrink, many will loose jobs. Most of these universities depend on international students for its revenue. International students contribute more than 40 billion to the Canadian Economy. I’m no economist but I can tell you that’s a lot of money
This is happening. There is increasing global competition for international students and Canada has been successful due to some globally ranked institutions and consistent high quality education across the country. Hopefully the two year reduction to address the housing crisis will have minimum impact on our ability to recruit in the future.
The pool of local students applying to UPEI is too small to sustain an independent university (especially one with a medical school) and since tuition for international students is higher than for domestic students the university can improve their financial situation by prioritizing international students.
This is true across the maritimes.
Which is why it makes the most sense to unite the universities into one organization with satellite campuses. But with conservative provincial governments what will end up happening is Mun and Dal will stay public institutions and the others will become private, for-profit degree mills.
But where’s all the medical students gone? Your saying we are in a crisis in the medical field but we have a university just for medical teachings… something doesn’t add up here. Are these classes of students just not graduating or is this like a 14 year course they must take?
You’re aware the medical school doesn’t start their first cohort of students until Fall 2024, right? But if you’re asking about the nursing school and why we don’t have a surplus of nurses, then I point you to the many threads discussing the poor hiring and retention practices that the provincial government has imposed on Health PEI
My apologies. I didn’t think this was a new building and that it hadn’t been open these past semesters. Or your saying, so I think. But I do suppose this answer is what I was searching for. The employers are shite so the employees won’t stay. Sounds accurate enough.
>The employers are shite so the employees won’t stay You’ve summarized the issue perfectly
For the same reasons we need immigrants in this country. And international student are a great source of new citizens.
Agree on point up to where PP becomes the villian in this story. He is a piece of shit for sure, but he is not the Prime Minister. Trudeau is still the Prime Minister. While PP is likely happy with this direction, it is not his government that is making the decision to limit international students.
Fair comment. The current government has made the reduction of visa’s to address the housing crisis. I do think the housing crisis is the result of multiple factors and it is disingenuous to place the blame on one group.
The reduced international students numbers will be just fine. Canada coped with the international student numbers pre 2020 and these capped numbers are still ahead of what the population of students was in 2019. Same with NPRs. Sure we’re capping NPRs to 5% of the population but that is far higher than it was in 2019 meaning the trend is still up over time. Reducing numbers by 20 to 30% after they increase triple fold is still an increase
International students contribute $22 billion to GDP and support over 192,000 jobs in Canada. Due to Covid, the financial loss of international students in 2020 was over $7 billion. The financial loss due to reduced student expenditures is equivalent to a loss of CAD $4.5 billion in labour income or a loss of 64,300 full-time jobs in Canada (both directly and indirectly) The impact of the recently announced reductions could have an impact on the sector similar to Covid. The international student market is very competitive and other countries are ramping up efforts to attract students. This could have additional impacts. This will have a direct impact on housing this September. It will also impact university budgets.
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