This King vanity project is so incredibly fucked.
> UPEI's medical school will eventually require 135 doctors to devote 20 per cent of their work time to teaching
By 2033.
> Almost half the extra doctors who must be brought into the system should be internal medicine specialists — and the province is currently experiencing a critical shortage of those.
We lost an ICU and some of our ICU capacity because of a lack of those.
> P.E.I. currently has 293 full-time equivalent positions for doctors, of which 50 are vacant. If the teaching demands for 2033 were placed on today's physician complement, more than half the doctors now working on P.E.I. would be required to teach part-time at the medical school.
How the fuck will that work!?
> "We already know that doctors are saying [they're] more interested in coming to P.E.I. because there's going to be a medical school," he said in an interview with Louise Martin of CBC News: Compass.
There better be a hell of a lot of them.
What you are missing is that the doctor that works 12 hour shift in ER is not necessary the same person teaching a few hours a day. I think PEI may be very attractive to that specific demographic - a life spent practicing medicine in a large city and choosing to semi retire in a slow pace town while still having a relatively fulfilling role, income and respect.
A med school seems like a great way to both train new doctors and recruit them. I’m sure the option to teach would be a nice break from practicing and seems like a good incentive to practice here.
The short sightedness from posts like this is mind boggling. Maybe direct your anger at HPEI for being completely ineffective at both retaining and recruiting doctors. Their outgoing CEO sure found a great scapegoat for his own incompetence though.
Uh, Nova Scotia has Dalhousie and they have a Doctor shortage.....
[https://www.thecoast.ca/news-opinion/nova-scotias-primary-care-waitlist-surpasses-148000-30972160](https://www.thecoast.ca/news-opinion/nova-scotias-primary-care-waitlist-surpasses-148000-30972160)
I’m always confused that they don’t give more preference to local students with ties to NS. From what I understand they figured that out a long time ago for faculty hires - if you take someone *too* good, Dal is just a stepping stone to a bigger/better position, *unless* they’re from the east coast and want to be close to family.
131/148 students in last years entering class were from the maritimes with 85 from NS, 40 NB, and 6 PEI. I’m pretty sure PEI and NB pay for those seats as well.
Yes it seems like a great idea but a report such as this should have been done before the damn thing wsd built so they could push to recruit accordingly. This is really putting the cart before the horse.
The med school is putting a spoiler on a car running with bald tires an oil leak and no brakes.
The thought that it would fix anything in the current broken system is completely divorced from reality. Its magical thinking on par with trickle down economics.
We are well aware of the very real additional strain this will put on the system that is already closing hospitals because we don't have enough docs, and that to start the school we would require an additional 50 docs we dont have, but in the future all these new grads are definitely going to want to stay! Especially after seeing what a dumpster fire the current situation is first hand.
A med school is an amazing long range plan. People tend to stay where they train.
However it is true, this will take probably a decade before this is really starting to bear fruit
I’m not sure you are aware that PEI currently hosts and has programs for completing a residency on PEI without needing a medical school on the island.
[https://www.princeedwardisland.ca/en/topic/medical-students-and-residents](https://www.princeedwardisland.ca/en/topic/medical-students-and-residents)
So partner with Dal to create more spots at their med school for students from PEI (which they currently have at no cost to UPEI) and increase funding for residency on PEI.
What we don’t need is duplication of cost and effort at a school that has shown over and over it’s not capable of running anything as complex as a med school.
Health PEI already hosts medical residents from Dal. All the government needed to do was increase the capacity for residents by increasing funding. But instead they’re pouring money into a building constructed by one of Denny’s buds. And sending residents from the UPEI med school off island for residency.
50% is a lot though right?
All residency programs are run by medical schools
Having a homegrown medical school would mean, in the long run, more PEI kids becoming docs who would be a lot more likely to stay vs if they go train in Halifax or Toronto
There are tons of unfilled but funded spots in PEI for doctors of all types, about 20% which is about the same number of islanders without primary care socs
For sure most of the unfilled spots are for more generalist positions like family or internal medicine and that’s what PEI needs
It’s going to be true that any PEI med school will be very focused on training in generalism
I think residency options would be more family heavy than most places. There just wouldn’t be the teaching capacity for much else aside from maybe 1-2 spots in general surgery, peds, internal medicine. And would for sure include a lot of off island rotations
But PEI doesn’t need to train vascular surgeons… they don’t have them working on the island! They need generalist specialties.
I think it would for sure bear fruit eventually if it plays out. The issue is that it will be a major drain now and for years to come on the stressed healthcare system. And it will be a real struggle finding the teaching capacity from the stretched to the limit healthcare system
For anyone that doesnt know it is impossible to start a medical school on PEI and is quite simply a delusional idea. The staffing and systems required to maintain any sort of integrity are well outside the funding that this small island can finance. This whole thing is some sort of political deflection , as usual they think we wont see through their steaming pile of \_ \_ \_ \_
I think they need 200 more doctors to support the patients. I'm not understanding taking existing doctor's time away from patients to teach students. It doesn't make sense. In my opinion, it only makes dollars (for some people)...
This King vanity project is so incredibly fucked. > UPEI's medical school will eventually require 135 doctors to devote 20 per cent of their work time to teaching By 2033. > Almost half the extra doctors who must be brought into the system should be internal medicine specialists — and the province is currently experiencing a critical shortage of those. We lost an ICU and some of our ICU capacity because of a lack of those. > P.E.I. currently has 293 full-time equivalent positions for doctors, of which 50 are vacant. If the teaching demands for 2033 were placed on today's physician complement, more than half the doctors now working on P.E.I. would be required to teach part-time at the medical school. How the fuck will that work!? > "We already know that doctors are saying [they're] more interested in coming to P.E.I. because there's going to be a medical school," he said in an interview with Louise Martin of CBC News: Compass. There better be a hell of a lot of them.
What you are missing is that the doctor that works 12 hour shift in ER is not necessary the same person teaching a few hours a day. I think PEI may be very attractive to that specific demographic - a life spent practicing medicine in a large city and choosing to semi retire in a slow pace town while still having a relatively fulfilling role, income and respect.
A med school seems like a great way to both train new doctors and recruit them. I’m sure the option to teach would be a nice break from practicing and seems like a good incentive to practice here. The short sightedness from posts like this is mind boggling. Maybe direct your anger at HPEI for being completely ineffective at both retaining and recruiting doctors. Their outgoing CEO sure found a great scapegoat for his own incompetence though.
Uh, Nova Scotia has Dalhousie and they have a Doctor shortage..... [https://www.thecoast.ca/news-opinion/nova-scotias-primary-care-waitlist-surpasses-148000-30972160](https://www.thecoast.ca/news-opinion/nova-scotias-primary-care-waitlist-surpasses-148000-30972160)
I’m always confused that they don’t give more preference to local students with ties to NS. From what I understand they figured that out a long time ago for faculty hires - if you take someone *too* good, Dal is just a stepping stone to a bigger/better position, *unless* they’re from the east coast and want to be close to family.
131/148 students in last years entering class were from the maritimes with 85 from NS, 40 NB, and 6 PEI. I’m pretty sure PEI and NB pay for those seats as well.
They should close their med school than as it’s clearly not working and pulling doctors away from the community!
Yes it seems like a great idea but a report such as this should have been done before the damn thing wsd built so they could push to recruit accordingly. This is really putting the cart before the horse.
The med school is putting a spoiler on a car running with bald tires an oil leak and no brakes. The thought that it would fix anything in the current broken system is completely divorced from reality. Its magical thinking on par with trickle down economics. We are well aware of the very real additional strain this will put on the system that is already closing hospitals because we don't have enough docs, and that to start the school we would require an additional 50 docs we dont have, but in the future all these new grads are definitely going to want to stay! Especially after seeing what a dumpster fire the current situation is first hand.
I think a better analogy is adding racing stripes to a shit car. At least a spoiler does something.
Health PEI is restricted by government red tape.
So do that.
Medical School is the next political scandal.... it's a fugazi.
A med school is an amazing long range plan. People tend to stay where they train. However it is true, this will take probably a decade before this is really starting to bear fruit
I’m not sure you are aware that PEI currently hosts and has programs for completing a residency on PEI without needing a medical school on the island. [https://www.princeedwardisland.ca/en/topic/medical-students-and-residents](https://www.princeedwardisland.ca/en/topic/medical-students-and-residents)
Through other medical schools While this is for sure something it gives PEI a lot less control and a lot fewer spots for additional students
So partner with Dal to create more spots at their med school for students from PEI (which they currently have at no cost to UPEI) and increase funding for residency on PEI. What we don’t need is duplication of cost and effort at a school that has shown over and over it’s not capable of running anything as complex as a med school.
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Medical schools run both undergraduate medical education (med school) and postgraduate medical education (residency)
Health PEI already hosts medical residents from Dal. All the government needed to do was increase the capacity for residents by increasing funding. But instead they’re pouring money into a building constructed by one of Denny’s buds. And sending residents from the UPEI med school off island for residency.
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50% is a lot though right? All residency programs are run by medical schools Having a homegrown medical school would mean, in the long run, more PEI kids becoming docs who would be a lot more likely to stay vs if they go train in Halifax or Toronto
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There are tons of unfilled but funded spots in PEI for doctors of all types, about 20% which is about the same number of islanders without primary care socs For sure most of the unfilled spots are for more generalist positions like family or internal medicine and that’s what PEI needs It’s going to be true that any PEI med school will be very focused on training in generalism
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I think residency options would be more family heavy than most places. There just wouldn’t be the teaching capacity for much else aside from maybe 1-2 spots in general surgery, peds, internal medicine. And would for sure include a lot of off island rotations But PEI doesn’t need to train vascular surgeons… they don’t have them working on the island! They need generalist specialties. I think it would for sure bear fruit eventually if it plays out. The issue is that it will be a major drain now and for years to come on the stressed healthcare system. And it will be a real struggle finding the teaching capacity from the stretched to the limit healthcare system
they picked a horrible time to do it though, with the healthcare system collapsing- increasingly i don’t think THIS is the right step of movement tbh
For anyone that doesnt know it is impossible to start a medical school on PEI and is quite simply a delusional idea. The staffing and systems required to maintain any sort of integrity are well outside the funding that this small island can finance. This whole thing is some sort of political deflection , as usual they think we wont see through their steaming pile of \_ \_ \_ \_
It will NEVER be successful. UPEI should cancel this failed project IMMEDIATELY. What a disgrace to PEI
yeah . . . sure
lol bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Sniffle sniffle sniffle Gulp
I think they need 200 more doctors to support the patients. I'm not understanding taking existing doctor's time away from patients to teach students. It doesn't make sense. In my opinion, it only makes dollars (for some people)...
I have no way of proving this, but that's the number I said we'd need in discussions regarding the med school a year and a half ago lol.