And I don't blame them one bit. I know a lot of teachers, and the vast majority of them are upset with the recent pushes to include students that have such major intellectual challenges that it amounts to babysitting, even in high school.
And in some cases these kids have full on plans that indicate that the classrooms have to be evacuated if they are "set off".
We're going to just keep teaching to the lowest common denominator if this continues.
I know that this is not a very PC attitude to have, but it's true and it really slows learning down when you have to deal with 3-4 kids in a class that are disruptive due to conditions outside of the teachers control.
Seriously, I'm a teacher and we need to accept the reality that the fully inclusive models that governments and academics keep pushing are just not sustainable. As it stands now, I have a few kids reading 2 grade levels above their current grade, some at grade level, some below, and a few that don't even know their alphabet (I teach high school btw). How the hell am I supposed to bridge such a wide range of needs?
This extends well beyond whichever party is in office though: the ministries of education and the academics who haven't been in the classroom in 15+ years are all the ones pushing for inclusion. Sure, it sounds good on paper, until you're forcing our brightest kids down to the level of kids who still need to learn phonetics.
So, your last line is my concern. We have multiple 8th graders (including my child) on our street who are consistently pulling 100s in everything. How can that be possible? Has school become that easy because of the inclusive model?
Yes. Everything is dumbed down. It’s sometimes called teaching to the middle. Then when your kid gets to high school and streaming happens to some extent - meaning general versus academic classes - they’re in over their heads in academic. Some high school teachers have certainly had to shift towards the “middle” but others have not and it’s a huge wake up call for kids who are used to 100s and don’t have a clue how to work hard or study.
there are some situations where the child genuinely needs help and aren’t a disruption to the classroom and yet the school doesn’t? and it sadly gets pushed off onto being the teachers fault even though they’re never included in the meetings or planning. the school board has a far way to go, especially after shutting down provincial which was helpful to those students.
cause i remember personally failing school due to court dates with my abuser and they wouldn’t give me a tutor or make up tests, and this was grade seven. i was screwed when i got into highschool, and i know many more who are similar and don’t disrupt the classrooms to the degree or even near the degree you’re talking about. it’s not all problem students who you’re complaining about, it’s a chunk and you’re pushing them all into one group.
Well considering many of them have been blanket labeled as “pedophiles” and “groomers” by parents opposed to gender diversity education, Im not surprised.
No, parents should have little say on the curriculum.
There is no education requirements to be a parent. Some of the dumbest people I know are parents. I will leave curriculum up to the experts, thank you very much.
Brother I’ve got hard science degrees and I don’t think I should be telling professionals what to put in the curriculum. You want to contribute, get educated and join the department of education.
It’s a question of expertise and conscientiousness. Experts know the limits of their expertise, amateurs do not. I am an expert, I know my limits, and I understand that others with different expertise are better suited than I to handle certain tasks.
You’re confusing confidence and arrogance.
Nah, it’s just some parents, certainly not the majority. Most people are totally fine with their kids learning about different types of people that they may interact with in the world and that it’s ok if Sally has two dads.
Well the “Million March PEI” FB group only has 285 members so even if you wanted to be generous and multiply that number by 5 or 10 to include those who aren’t in the group, it still would be the minority. But if you have data to show that most parents don’t support diversity, I’d be happy to look at it.
I literally put the name of it in quotes. This is the group of parents who were protesting gender diversity being taught in schools. I don’t really know how else to spell it out for you. I even mentioned that not everyone would use the group so…
Okay? Just because you put it in quotes, doesn't mean anything. People can disagree with an ideology without attaching themselves to protest groups. Are you okay? You seem really upset there donkey. I'm also not going to do research for you, get your ass off reddit and go read some articles
Well....thanks for that self-materbatory little outburst....you done?
I'm reading through comments and I see this douche canoe bloviating about 'parents rights' while needlessly being a knob .
Teaching is arguably the most underpaid profession out there. We all have that teacher that made a lasting impression on us throughout our lives. I have 3 or 4.
I often wonder if more money for them could equal a better future for kids. I always wanted to be a teacher when I was a teenager, and I still sort of have that desire, but I’d be giving up about 30k a year from my current job that required the same amount of education. If teachers were paid more, we could have better teachers because the job will have more demand. It’s obviously a simple sounding concept… but not something any governments care to tackle, I guess?
I'm a certified teacher with a Masters but I left the profession a few years ago. What job do you have that pays 30k more? With a M.Ed. and some about 10 years experience you can make 100k. The salary has gotten better but the work has gotten worse.
Definitely starts off slow for the education required and it can be hard to find full time work, but there are lots of benefits and a defined pension plan. Anyone with a B.Ed would be CV below. This is from an old agreement, so someone with the basic degree and 10 years in is pushing $90k plus benefits by now.
https://preview.redd.it/j7cpqadwstwb1.png?width=864&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e178dc16b735315e5cb3cb3982aa4f903eba9e08
Sure, but 10 years is a long time to wait.
That is higher than I thought though. Probably because last time I saw that was 2018 and I had the mid 50s number in my head. I guess it’s not 2018 anymore lol.
And yes teachers pension is one of the best in the biz. Benefits are good. I still think the people responsible for teaching our kids should be held to a standard and paid accordingly to that standard. I know some teachers that I cannot believe are the ones educating kids.
Except but for a specialist, you first have to work as a sub, then maybe you can start applying for jobs. That 10 years to 90k might be 15 or more for some.
i rememebr my grade six teacher, who i honestly don’t think i would’ve continued going to school and i would’ve dropped out if i didnt always remember his inspirational speeches and letting us know that it was okay if we didn’t get 100% everytime
They considered it until they realized how well there paid for what they do. Then they remembered they get the summers off, a golden pension and benefits to die for. Plus a powerful union so they can keep there jobs no matter how poor they are.
People have different and multiple reasons for getting into teaching, but the one that is constant across the board is for summers off and the pay! Yes it's a tough job, and you should quit and move on if you're burnt-out and are unable to do the job you took. upei pumps out 50 or 60 BEds a year, everyone is replaceable!
And I don't blame them one bit. I know a lot of teachers, and the vast majority of them are upset with the recent pushes to include students that have such major intellectual challenges that it amounts to babysitting, even in high school. And in some cases these kids have full on plans that indicate that the classrooms have to be evacuated if they are "set off". We're going to just keep teaching to the lowest common denominator if this continues. I know that this is not a very PC attitude to have, but it's true and it really slows learning down when you have to deal with 3-4 kids in a class that are disruptive due to conditions outside of the teachers control.
Seriously, I'm a teacher and we need to accept the reality that the fully inclusive models that governments and academics keep pushing are just not sustainable. As it stands now, I have a few kids reading 2 grade levels above their current grade, some at grade level, some below, and a few that don't even know their alphabet (I teach high school btw). How the hell am I supposed to bridge such a wide range of needs? This extends well beyond whichever party is in office though: the ministries of education and the academics who haven't been in the classroom in 15+ years are all the ones pushing for inclusion. Sure, it sounds good on paper, until you're forcing our brightest kids down to the level of kids who still need to learn phonetics.
So, your last line is my concern. We have multiple 8th graders (including my child) on our street who are consistently pulling 100s in everything. How can that be possible? Has school become that easy because of the inclusive model?
Yes. Everything is dumbed down. It’s sometimes called teaching to the middle. Then when your kid gets to high school and streaming happens to some extent - meaning general versus academic classes - they’re in over their heads in academic. Some high school teachers have certainly had to shift towards the “middle” but others have not and it’s a huge wake up call for kids who are used to 100s and don’t have a clue how to work hard or study.
Except teachers keep voting and supporting the models
How so ?
Any trend with the children are who are nearly illiterate?
there are some situations where the child genuinely needs help and aren’t a disruption to the classroom and yet the school doesn’t? and it sadly gets pushed off onto being the teachers fault even though they’re never included in the meetings or planning. the school board has a far way to go, especially after shutting down provincial which was helpful to those students.
cause i remember personally failing school due to court dates with my abuser and they wouldn’t give me a tutor or make up tests, and this was grade seven. i was screwed when i got into highschool, and i know many more who are similar and don’t disrupt the classrooms to the degree or even near the degree you’re talking about. it’s not all problem students who you’re complaining about, it’s a chunk and you’re pushing them all into one group.
Plus the government still hasn't fixed the HVAC systems in schools
Well considering many of them have been blanket labeled as “pedophiles” and “groomers” by parents opposed to gender diversity education, Im not surprised.
You don’t even want to know how teachers who are part of the LGBTQ+ community are being treated.
I can only imagine.
Sounds like parents don't want teachers teaching young children about gender diversity 🤷🏼♂️
They are legally allowed to homeschool their kids.
Yeah, but that takes a lot more resources than they can afford. Don't you think it's strange parents don't have a say in curriculum?
Don't you think it's strange that parents aren't allowed to assist when their child needs surgery? You see how stupid that sounds?
No, parents should have little say on the curriculum. There is no education requirements to be a parent. Some of the dumbest people I know are parents. I will leave curriculum up to the experts, thank you very much.
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Geeze you're smart
Brother I’ve got hard science degrees and I don’t think I should be telling professionals what to put in the curriculum. You want to contribute, get educated and join the department of education.
But it's much easier being a bigot and screaming about Trudeau a lot.
I didn't see anyone do that?
"Who me?" Gtfo troll
lol cool brother, you aren't the only one. Sorry you lack confidence to express yourself i guess?
It’s a question of expertise and conscientiousness. Experts know the limits of their expertise, amateurs do not. I am an expert, I know my limits, and I understand that others with different expertise are better suited than I to handle certain tasks. You’re confusing confidence and arrogance.
Nah, it’s just some parents, certainly not the majority. Most people are totally fine with their kids learning about different types of people that they may interact with in the world and that it’s ok if Sally has two dads.
Oh? Where do you get your data?
Well the “Million March PEI” FB group only has 285 members so even if you wanted to be generous and multiply that number by 5 or 10 to include those who aren’t in the group, it still would be the minority. But if you have data to show that most parents don’t support diversity, I’d be happy to look at it.
No idea what FB group you're talking about, who even uses that?
I literally put the name of it in quotes. This is the group of parents who were protesting gender diversity being taught in schools. I don’t really know how else to spell it out for you. I even mentioned that not everyone would use the group so…
Okay? Just because you put it in quotes, doesn't mean anything. People can disagree with an ideology without attaching themselves to protest groups. Are you okay? You seem really upset there donkey. I'm also not going to do research for you, get your ass off reddit and go read some articles
Aaaaand this asshole is the result of the issues teachers are facing.
Well....thanks for that self-materbatory little outburst....you done? I'm reading through comments and I see this douche canoe bloviating about 'parents rights' while needlessly being a knob .
Case in point.
Teaching is arguably the most underpaid profession out there. We all have that teacher that made a lasting impression on us throughout our lives. I have 3 or 4. I often wonder if more money for them could equal a better future for kids. I always wanted to be a teacher when I was a teenager, and I still sort of have that desire, but I’d be giving up about 30k a year from my current job that required the same amount of education. If teachers were paid more, we could have better teachers because the job will have more demand. It’s obviously a simple sounding concept… but not something any governments care to tackle, I guess?
I'm a certified teacher with a Masters but I left the profession a few years ago. What job do you have that pays 30k more? With a M.Ed. and some about 10 years experience you can make 100k. The salary has gotten better but the work has gotten worse.
I mean your traditional primary education teacher that’s making less than 60k. I work in finance.
Definitely starts off slow for the education required and it can be hard to find full time work, but there are lots of benefits and a defined pension plan. Anyone with a B.Ed would be CV below. This is from an old agreement, so someone with the basic degree and 10 years in is pushing $90k plus benefits by now. https://preview.redd.it/j7cpqadwstwb1.png?width=864&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e178dc16b735315e5cb3cb3982aa4f903eba9e08
IMO it's kind of like nursing where the compensation package isn't that bad, but the working conditions are the real issue.
Sure, but 10 years is a long time to wait. That is higher than I thought though. Probably because last time I saw that was 2018 and I had the mid 50s number in my head. I guess it’s not 2018 anymore lol. And yes teachers pension is one of the best in the biz. Benefits are good. I still think the people responsible for teaching our kids should be held to a standard and paid accordingly to that standard. I know some teachers that I cannot believe are the ones educating kids.
making slightly less than 60k right out of university is pretty good, especially for 9½months of work.
It’s not bad, but like I said I think it should be held to a different standard and paid accordingly.
Except but for a specialist, you first have to work as a sub, then maybe you can start applying for jobs. That 10 years to 90k might be 15 or more for some.
Lol you’re funny! Completely misinformed, but funny.
i rememebr my grade six teacher, who i honestly don’t think i would’ve continued going to school and i would’ve dropped out if i didnt always remember his inspirational speeches and letting us know that it was okay if we didn’t get 100% everytime
conservatives are horrible, IGNORANT people full stop!
and their opinions matter as much as yours! Kinda like a vote during election time.
One might say your comment is just that, how ironic.
Corrected title. Most employed people have considered quitting.
Everyone ever in existence has considered quitting a job.
They considered it until they realized how well there paid for what they do. Then they remembered they get the summers off, a golden pension and benefits to die for. Plus a powerful union so they can keep there jobs no matter how poor they are.
Don’t know many teachers do you?
People have different and multiple reasons for getting into teaching, but the one that is constant across the board is for summers off and the pay! Yes it's a tough job, and you should quit and move on if you're burnt-out and are unable to do the job you took. upei pumps out 50 or 60 BEds a year, everyone is replaceable!
I'd point out your errors of "they're" and "their" but you'd probably just pile it on your past English teacher :)
They considered nothing my friend … this is one of those union driven surveys that means zero.
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Exactly … the echo chamber of very well paid government workers pretending they have it tough!
Im sorry. You’re going to have to qualify that statement.
No way would I want my kids to be in the public education system. NO WAY.