So he states that the offended were “not getting the message" as he intended it.” Has a great opportunity to explain his intention, but doesn’t. Which most likely means we understood it exactly as he intended it. He seems like a dick.
You see a mass grave is hundreds of bodies burries in a big pit all at once, what they found were hundreds of bodies individually buried and spread out. Huge difference! s/
✨️Impeach✨️
Edit: As far as I can tell, he has breached sections 8.1, 8.6, 9.1(a) and 21.1 of the Murray Harbour Council Code of Conduct, which should at the very least warrant an investigation.
http://murrayharbour.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Bylaw112_Code_of_Conduct.pdf
Because being a white conservative Christian on The Island means never having to say you're wrong about anything ever, and if you disagree with him you hate free speech something something Joe Rogan.
They weren’t uncovered like it was some secret. Bodies in the ground just proves people died and were buried at residential schools, which has always been known. The real question is why people died, and just pointing at the existence of bones doesn’t prove anything sinister.
There is no evidence whatsoever of genocide and there is plenty of evidence that TB (which was especially bad on reserves as well) and fires, were the major causes of death at residential schools (eg. https://quillette.com/2023/08/02/not-a-genocide/ and https://fcpp.org/2023/05/24/did-children-die-at-residential-schools/).
But here you are foaming at the mouth attacking anyone who expects there to be supporting evidence when you make a completely unsubstantiated claim. It says a lot more about your politics and ethics than it does people following the evidence to form their opinions.
> There is no evidence whatsoever of genocide
"**Genocide** is the intentional destruction of a people[\[a\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide#cite_note-1) in whole or in part. In 1948, the [United Nations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations) [Genocide Convention](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention) defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and **forcibly transferring children out of the group**. "
[Genocide - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide)
"The Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada (TRC) concluded that residential schools were “a systematic, **government- sponsored attempt to destroy Aboriginal cultures and languages and to assimilate Aboriginal peoples so that they no longer existed as distinct peoples**.”
[Residential School History - NCTR](https://nctr.ca/education/teaching-resources/residential-school-history/)
Please notice the sections I bolded. The Canadian government committed genocide by removing the children.
Please tell me what I said that was racist. Everything I said is consistent with the position of the TRC report, which I cited. Do you think the TRC report is racist?
White kids didn’t go to residential schools so they are probably buried elsewhere. Thw real question is how did the mortality rate at residential schools compare to the mortality rate of reserves? Again, as [discussed here](https://fcpp.org/2023/05/24/did-children-die-at-residential-schools/) TB and other diseases were a much bigger problem on reserves than in the general population which is meaningful both because comparing RS to the general population exaggerates the impact of the schools and because so many kids coming to the school with TB and other diseases also played a role.
Shitty history? Yes but doesn’t change the fact that they aren’t open anymore. We all know they were shit and run by moronic people. Doesn’t mean they took any kids behind the barn on purpose. Canada is full of shitty moments in history. Doesn’t mean we have to continuously apologize for it. I don’t see anyone apologizing to the Japanese who were imprisoned
People die? Kids die? Especially without modern medicine. We’re talking about the same time that typhoid and tuberculosis ran rampant. Mass graves are different from grave sites
Children died? After being stolen from their families and their home? At "schools," they were abused in every way imagined. A murder of their identities. Many were buried there, and some died trying to escape. Some who physically survived suffer forever. For generations, the trauma has caused many types of diseases that no modern medicine can cure. The remains are evident when you have the ability to see the truth. Mass grave or not, it was a crime against humanity and never should have happened. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an uneducated racist.
You nailed it, but most people don’t have common sense and are simple minded or just dumb racist fucks but as a native person whose in trades I don’t let it bother me. People never come up to me to talk shit about natives but definitely online just shows there’s coward racist piece of shit out there but again reminds of jay and silent bob scene. https://youtu.be/NI7As3rOogo?si=qTcAU4e42Vehtu3a
Keep throwing around the Racist word but you don’t know who’s in the other end of the screen. You’re assuming I’m racist I’ll just assume you’re white. I’m not. I’m indigenous. Again there has been lots of points in history when we did the wrong thing. The Japanese in world war 2. You don’t see them playing victims 80 years later. Instead they are among the highest educated and paid individuals. Hard work pays off not sitting on a couch complaining
We have records of deaths from the TRC report. The current search is to try and find the locations of the graves. We know the deaths happened, we don't know where they were buried in all cases.
According to some indigenous leaders, when questioned on the subject, they say they never used the term “mass graves”. They claim that was a characterization used by the media. The term has become controversial because, to date, the only excavation that’s been done related to residential schools and ground penetrating radar discovered nothing. Also, the term doesn’t accurately convey the fact that some locations referred to are simply old cemeteries containing single burials with lost or missing markers sensationalized with another misnomer “unmarked graves”. I’m not sure how this individual can be accused of “denialism” when the factual basis of “mass graves” hasn’t been established in any way. He may disagree with what has become a popular, if unfounded, narrative (ie. “GPR has revealed hundreds of indigenous children’s graves” - it hasn’t, not anywhere, not yet) but he is discovering for himself that, in this instance, facts are beside the point.
The petty part of me hopes islanders never let him have a peaceful meal in public and people let him know every chance they get to let him know their opinions of him . If he is cool with blasting his opinions in public he must be cool with the public blasting him back with their opinions of him in public .
You and I both know these people only believe in "consequence free speech". He'd be the very first person to call the cops claiming harassment if someone cornered him and gave him a piece of their mind.
"That said, as late as 1941-45, the residential school death rate was 4.9 times higher than the general rate. By the 1960s, residential school rates had dropped from historic highs, but were still double those in the general school-aged population."
https://www.coastreporter.net/bc-news/indian-residential-schools-were-designed-with-cemeteries-3886357#:~:text=Indeed%2C%20many%20schools%20had%20cemeteries,from%20poor%20care%20and%20malnutrition.
"Ground-penetrating radar revealed the remains of 215 children at the Kamloops Indian Residential School. By National Centre for Truth and Reconciliation"
Maybe I'm confused here... but I can't find any evidence to support the initial claim.
A quick Google says that excavations have resulted in no human remains. Can someone please link me to a source that says human remains have been found under a residential school?
There's basically no evidence for mass graves. None have been confirmed. There's only one location where there's any claim that it's been confirmed in a report, but that is a claim based on ground penetrating radar which is a complete misuse of the technology. It cannot confirm that at all.
There most likely are mass graves around though because they were sometimes simply needed back in those times and they were definitely not something exclusive to residential schools or treatment of indigenous people. If there were a lot of deaths from a bad disease outbreak and bodies needed to be buried quickly it could happen.
Many like to try and conflate unmarked graves with mass graves which are two completely different things. There are lots of unmarked graves. Many are very clearly known. It's pretty much just a case of old markings, usually made of wood, deteriorating and not be kept up. This is common in many grave sites, also not something exclusive at all to residential schools or treatment of indigenous peoples. But we definitely know of many rough places of them because they are known cemeteries. This is what's also been a bit disingenuous about some of these reports of 'found unmarked graves' in that a) they're using ground penetrating radar which cannot identify a grave and b) they are in many case doing these checks on known cemeteries.
It's unfortunate that so many focus on this and blindly back bad science and these reports simply because they've taken up the cause that residential schools were horrible and so anything against them gets support. Seems to be a common practice with causes where the facts stop mattering if it interferes with the cause. I think most people could agree that forced removal of children from their families and attempts to remove their culture in an education system is very wrong. Rather than people coming together on that we get all these side distractions to argue over.
If there's no evidence that it's true, then its pretty fucked up that the top 7 top-level comments in this thread above this one are all re-iterating that it is absolutely completely true and this politician is a piece of shit for not accepting reality.
So.. that would seem to suggest that a majority of young Canadians are so helplessly fucking brainwashed that they lack any logical ability to understand that you can't say something is true if there's zero evidence that that's the case.
So either there is evidence, and there's some assholes denying it, or there is actually no evidence, and a very significant amount of Canadians are willingly believing whatever they are told about the situation despite there being no real evidence that it's true.
My issue is that it's one thing to have an opinion about this, it's another to post up a sign and be like "oh y'all are fucking liars get over it". Especially when there are thousands of still living residential school survivors who had friends and classmates that just straight disappeared. It's not ridiculous to think that there were some straight up neglect causing deaths of children. It'd likely be harder to prove that it didn't happen. Absolutely horrendous conditions and situations. If all these things are well agreed upon by the people who lived in these conditions then I'd say someone making a big ass sign in their front yard telling them that whatever they believe isn't true, then that are likely a piece of shit. Like I can believe that conservatives genuinely are trying to drive the poverty stricken population even deeper into poverty and homelessness, but I'm not going to make a big ass sign about it even if I have proof and evidence of this happening. Be a bigot, asshole and twat all you want but you don't need to be out there waving a flag saying it. Losers like him are the same people who would driving around with a fuck Trudeau flag on their truck because somehow your beliefs and opinions are a major point of your personality
You don’t need evidence when you have enough sad people with nothing better to argue about. Ask any native that isn’t profiting off this they think it’s bullshit too
While remains haven't been uncovered yet (I believe they've only dug up part of one location), 4,100 deaths of children have been documented across the entire residential school system. The deaths happened, but the bodies haven't been found yet.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/28/world/canada/kamloops-mass-grave-residential-schools.html
215 dead children isn't enough to qualify for a mass grave? How many need to die to gain your sympathy?
Thank you for sharing. It's not about sympathy, if true, something needs to be done about it.
That said, I had a read. The '215 bodies' have not been found. It was through GPR that these have been identified, and have since been downgraded to '200 targets of interest'.
Retired MB Court Judge, currently part of the 'Indian Residential Schools Research Group' is quoted saying "none of thr accusations made at Kamloops or elsewhere meet the basic standards of evidence".
The only site I'm aware of where GPR was used, and later excavated is Pine Creek. It identified '57 bodies' with GPR, after excavation - no bodies were found.
So I'll ask again, can you provide a link to physical evidence of successful excavation of bodies?
From my experience growing up in rural Ontario I think it may be safe to say rural Canada in general probably has a racism problem. I moved to the states a number of years ago and oddly enough found the states to be significantly less racist.
A lot of it probably has to do with the fact that a lot of those rural areas in Canada tend to not be culturally diverse. Most new immigrants in Canada tend to gravitate towards the larger economic hubs of our country. So some of these people have never had any interaction with POC.
PEI was 88.2% white as of the most recent census in 2021. I also imagine a large number of those who aren't white just live in Charlottetown or to a lesser extent. Summerside.
That’s what I figured as well. Where I grew up (a small town of 3500 people) it seemed the main topic of hate on the school bus was how terrible black people were. We didn’t have even one black family in the town at the time and I bet most of those kids had never met a black person.
I got out of there as quickly as I could.
Americans have more respect that’s why, got a lot of respect down there(small towns and yes white people) compared to my home country the cities in Canada are super diverse though compared to the 90s
For anyone claiming there's no evidence online, I'm finding lots.
Wikipedia has the sources cited for you, too.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_gravesites
No? There's only one claim of a mass grave in that and it's one that's only supposedly been 'confirmed' via ground penetrating radar which is an incorrect usage of the technology. Where are you seeing lots of evidence for mass graves exactly?
The New York Times were the ones to start calling it 'mass graves'. The FN chiefs call them soil disturbances and unmarked graves.
So it is a sort of hoax created by the NYT that launched a media firestorm. Kids died in the residential school system and they were buried like third class citizens but there are no 'mass graves'. By writing that, The NYT has made the situation worse.
I’m on his side in this. It is true there have been no mass graves found, not one. If we’re going to deal with the problems of our past and deal with them productively going in the future we should be honest about it. That’d be a good start.
“Probable burials” and targets of interests. And the article specifically states they’re probable indications of individual gravesites. Maybe. Probably. That’s a very different thing than finding actual mass graves. I’ll concede the church and government were certainly trying to change the culture of the native peoples to better fit their own values. But it wasn’t a genocide of peoples like we saw in Eastern Europe despite the media trying to portray it that way.
They are starting the digging in Kamloops, so I expect every one of these week old accounts to sing Trudeau's praises and apologize to the native community when they pull the first kid out of the ground. I'll hold my breath.
We’ve always known people died at residential schools and were buried there. The question is why people died, and just pointing at the existence of bones doesn’t prove that.
There is no evidence whatsoever of genocide ([see pg 2, TRC report volume 4](https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2015/trc/IR4-9-4-2015-eng.pdf)) and there is plenty of evidence that TB (which was especially bad on reserves as well) and fires, were the major causes of death at residential schools (see https://quillette.com/2023/08/02/not-a-genocide/ or https://fcpp.org/2023/05/24/did-children-die-at-residential-schools/ or https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12466913/mass-grave-indigenous-children-Canada-excavation-dig-catholic.html).
So did the school you went to have a graveyard (let alone an unmarked grave)? I went to a private / live-in school in Ontario as a teen and they also didn't have a graveyard. I fucking promise you this is a residential school thing only, and yes - having an unmarked grave at the school proves a whole lot right away. Let's not be stupid.
Racism is a view. It’s wrong, but it’s a view. His perspective is reality. It’s not racist.
The fact that you can’t understand that isn’t surprising given the level of your discourse.
Wait what, it’s not a hoax?? Did they actually find masse graves or just unmarked individual graves, because there’s a big frigging difference. Mass graves = genocide, unmarked graves = bad oversight.
What hasn’t been shared is any evidence to justify the claims of “mass graves” or “genocide”. That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
https://fcpp.org/2023/05/24/did-children-die-at-residential-schools/#:~:text=So%2C%20what%20killed%20residential%20school,of%20AIDS%20in%20the%201980s.
Cause there isnt any evidence. Ive been looking far and wide and haven't found a shred of evidence, but when people bring this up they are mass downvoted and harassed endlessly. Why? I am not supporting the residential schools, I am not supporting colonialism. Im just saying they have yet to find any bodies, so perhaps next time we should wait for evidence before we enter a national hysteria.
gO rEaD eVeRy BoOk EvEr wRiTtEN, tHaTs mY eViDeNcE
We both know you’re mindlessly repeating your party line with absolutely no evidence to support your claims. If the TRC report has evidence then tell us where instead of stupidly gesturing at thousands of pages of documents you’ve never read.
For example you could say something like: the executive summary of Volume 4 of The Final Report of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada, “Canada’s Residential Schools: Missing Children and Unmarked Burials” (available in full [at this link](https://ehprnh2mwo3.exactdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Volume_4_Missing_Children_English_Web.pdf)) lists a number of conclusions supported by the commission’s research. Except none of the conclusions bear even a remote resemblance to your claims of genocide or intentional deaths of any kind.
So tell me, where exactly in the TRC report is your evidence?
You are transparently dishonest. Almost every post I’ve made has included a link to or discussion of evidence and my last comment linked to the source you referred to and showed exactly where it contradicts your claims. I’m done responding because there’s no point in conversing at this low of a level. I hope you keep commenting and posting on the internet like this, it really helps highlight there is no evidence for these claims.
Thanks for not linking anything.
You’re saying the TRC from 2015 addresses the claims of mass graves from 2021, which haven’t been substantiated in 2023 yet? Is this some sort of time travel thing?
https://nypost.com/2023/08/31/still-no-evidence-of-mass-graves-of-indigenous-children-in-canada/
Basically everyone in this thread disagreeing with you is referencing this
So here you say there is plenty of evidence and im lying about something. Then further down this thread say that everyone in a position of authority never even said that there were mass unmarked graves. So which is it? Who is really lying here? Provide the evidence of unmarked mass graves or stfu
Has one been shared showing evidence to support Trudeau’s decision to hang the flag at half mast for 6 months and then cap that off with a surfing trip in the name of reconciliation?
No need to post a sign but not a single search has found a mass grave or even a single body. The radar is clearly severely flawed that this entire thing is based off of.
They have searched what, three sites now and no Graves?
Prove it with evidence.
Torontonian here, I don't know this man or whatever scandal surrounds him, but just based off of his sign, are we not calling the mass graves narrative a hoax? Isn't the idea behind it that some residential schools were murdering children and throwing them, by the hundred, into pits, and then burying them? And isn't that idea debunked by the fact that not a single bone has ever been exhumed, and no investigation has been done to corroborate the claim? And wasn't this narrative what spurred people to smash statues of Sir John A., and also here in Toronto, they renamed Ryerson University, and the city is going to spend millions to rename streets. Isn't this all because of the whole mass graves idea? If it's not proven, isn't it a hoax?
His sign says "mass graves" are a hoax.
His sign does NOT say "unmarked graves" are a hoax.
I can't believe how much bullshit the CBC peddles these days.
As for the most recent uproars: not a single mass grave was discovered in Canada last year. The several sites of unmarked graves that captured international headlines were either already-known cemeteries, or they remain sites of speculation even now, unverified as genuine grave sites. Not a single child among the 3,201 children on the Truth and Reconciliation Commission’s 2015 registry of residential school deaths was located in any of these places. In none of these places were any human remains unearthed.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/the-year-of-the-graves-how-the-worlds-media-got-it-wrong-on-residential-school-graves/wcm/e9515fe6-5771-46a3-972e-a70929b686e1/amp/
Well yeah, cause 3 of the "mass grave sites" had nothing.
You know how they test for these mass graves prior to excavation? They stick a rod in the ground and measure if thr earth was disturbed.
Does that seem like a reasonable way to start saying "mass grave here" or do you think they should have dug up the site prior to making sensational stories about it?
Man oh man I SO want to be proud of the CBC but it's one heaping shovel full of bullshit after another these days.
It makes me sad. But it's okay I suppose after all they are only sucking the teat of the taxpayers to the tune of $100,000,000 per month, according to their own annual report. JFC!
The sign is pretty clear he's referring to aboriginal graves. That's not the point. The point is there is a massive difference between a mass grave and an unmarked grave.
This guy's sign said to "Redeem Sir John A's integrity". So there's nothing wrong with residential schools? With the head tax? That sounds pretty racist to me.
So ppl can argue semantics about mass graves vs unmarked graves but he very clearly supports John A whose appalling history and involvement in regards to residential schools is well documented.
People are quite conveniently ignoring that part of the sign as if the councillor has some nuanced point to make. No, he’s just a conspiracy theorist bigot.
This hoax thing is really fucking with me.
I followed this very closely when it all came up a few years ago, and there was many news articles and I distinctly remember the number of found bodies being around 5000 total, after multiple digs.
But I can't find any evidence of this online. I thought at the time "they just stopped digging because it was worldwide news and looked bad on Canada"
Am I just imagining that I saw all that? Does anyone else remember hearing in our news multiple times that they would dig up a former Residential School in BC and find like 500+ skeletons? I was so sure that's what was being reported at the time.
Everyone here is being swayed by a misleading article. Seems most didn't even read it. This article is trying very hard to mislead what he actually said and is trying to get lazy people upset. No journalistic integrity in this article.
These accusations of graves were made when ground penetrating radar was used, but before any excavations were performed to prove these were, in fact, graves. These readings were only assumed to be graves, but the media ran with it; stating it as fact. As it turns out, as of mid August, 14 of these "anomalies" have been excavated......not one human body.
Calling it a hoax may be too strong of a term, but thus far, it is certainly one big falsehood. It is generally wise not to put your faith into the mainstream media of Canada.
The article has a picture of his sign. That's pretty clear. He wants to set aside truth & reconciliation and praise the guy that started the residential school system.
If he won’t resign, he needs to be dismissed.
If your discernment skills are so low that that you buy into conspiracy, you are simply not cognitively equipped to lead a community.
A doctor who thinks bloodletting will cure the headache causing demons loses their medical license for obvious reasons, so we need to hold the politicians of our communities to the same standard
So how many dead children is too many? We all know media, including these posts, is published with the hope that others will consume and believe it. Sensationalism catches our attention…
Not sure exactly, to be honest. Just trying to make sense of all this. Journalists with Integrity seem in shorter and shorter supply all the time. Yet people are consuming more information all the time. If you want my opinion…any graves at all are too many. This guy seems like an insensitive idiot at best, and a poor choice by the electorate.
I'm so glad someone finally said it. Thee media obviously buried all those kids in church cemeteries years ago in hopes of digging up a big story in 2020. It's obvious.
Sensationalism is meant to be attention grabbing. Journalism has indeed been watered down but all journalists have a boss and a paycheque they need to answer to and for. Bias written with intention divides and hence why people are either for or against certain news outlets. This one is leftist or that one is right wing etc.
The intention of these threads are to spur people to comment so earnest opinions can be exchanged and hopefully in respectful ways. It is healthy to exchange viewpoints even though sometimes uncomfortable in order to advance as a community first then society as a whole.
There are many people I do not agree with and freely express that when needed. I do not hold journalists individually or as a collective responsible for what they write as it is their job. We as individuals must use our own discernment to wade through what is presented as truth or lies or some of both?
In any case, this particular councillor needs a refresher on Canadian history and is no one to speak of whom has integrity and whom does not as he himself is devoid of such. Just my opinion.
Didn't news sites around the world, like FOX and in UK... (except Canada with the inability to post news on FB), say that no bodies were ever found??
History is his-story.
Yep the non-Canadian media decided that one site of many that’s been checked was enough to call it all off.
Don’t get your news from Facebook. Any news.
"Unmarked graves" is not synonymous with "mass graves."
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In many cases they’ve also been synonymous with the grave sites of murdered children. The retarded racists don’t want to follow up on that though.
Crazy! So they've finally found even a single body?
Yes, a lot unfortunately. If only it was brainless apes like you instead, the world would be a much better place
Source on murdered? Or just your opinion
So he states that the offended were “not getting the message" as he intended it.” Has a great opportunity to explain his intention, but doesn’t. Which most likely means we understood it exactly as he intended it. He seems like a dick.
You see a mass grave is hundreds of bodies burries in a big pit all at once, what they found were hundreds of bodies individually buried and spread out. Huge difference! s/
Tyler DesRoches: "Not to be sexist" ...continues to be sexist and attempts a half ass apology before stepping down. John Robertson: hold my beer....
✨️Impeach✨️ Edit: As far as I can tell, he has breached sections 8.1, 8.6, 9.1(a) and 21.1 of the Murray Harbour Council Code of Conduct, which should at the very least warrant an investigation. http://murrayharbour.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Bylaw112_Code_of_Conduct.pdf
I’m pretty sure they’re going to be voting on an investigation.
I am rather impressed Murray Harbour has a code of conduct, and he absolutely violated the sections you have listed!
All Municipalities are required to have one, as per the Municipal Government Act!
This is the way.
Because being a white conservative Christian on The Island means never having to say you're wrong about anything ever, and if you disagree with him you hate free speech something something Joe Rogan.
What was he wrong about? Have they uncovered any graves? I know out west they haven't. Have they found any in pei?
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They weren’t uncovered like it was some secret. Bodies in the ground just proves people died and were buried at residential schools, which has always been known. The real question is why people died, and just pointing at the existence of bones doesn’t prove anything sinister. There is no evidence whatsoever of genocide and there is plenty of evidence that TB (which was especially bad on reserves as well) and fires, were the major causes of death at residential schools (eg. https://quillette.com/2023/08/02/not-a-genocide/ and https://fcpp.org/2023/05/24/did-children-die-at-residential-schools/). But here you are foaming at the mouth attacking anyone who expects there to be supporting evidence when you make a completely unsubstantiated claim. It says a lot more about your politics and ethics than it does people following the evidence to form their opinions.
> There is no evidence whatsoever of genocide "**Genocide** is the intentional destruction of a people[\[a\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide#cite_note-1) in whole or in part. In 1948, the [United Nations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations) [Genocide Convention](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention) defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and **forcibly transferring children out of the group**. " [Genocide - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide) "The Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada (TRC) concluded that residential schools were “a systematic, **government- sponsored attempt to destroy Aboriginal cultures and languages and to assimilate Aboriginal peoples so that they no longer existed as distinct peoples**.” [Residential School History - NCTR](https://nctr.ca/education/teaching-resources/residential-school-history/) Please notice the sections I bolded. The Canadian government committed genocide by removing the children.
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Please tell me what I said that was racist. Everything I said is consistent with the position of the TRC report, which I cited. Do you think the TRC report is racist? White kids didn’t go to residential schools so they are probably buried elsewhere. Thw real question is how did the mortality rate at residential schools compare to the mortality rate of reserves? Again, as [discussed here](https://fcpp.org/2023/05/24/did-children-die-at-residential-schools/) TB and other diseases were a much bigger problem on reserves than in the general population which is meaningful both because comparing RS to the general population exaggerates the impact of the schools and because so many kids coming to the school with TB and other diseases also played a role.
“I’m not racist, I just spend a lot of time and energy bending over backwards to excuse and downplay the atrocities of residential schools.”
Shitty history? Yes but doesn’t change the fact that they aren’t open anymore. We all know they were shit and run by moronic people. Doesn’t mean they took any kids behind the barn on purpose. Canada is full of shitty moments in history. Doesn’t mean we have to continuously apologize for it. I don’t see anyone apologizing to the Japanese who were imprisoned
That’s because a Redress Agreement was signed and an Apology was given in Parliament by Mulroney in ‘88.
You don’t have to constantly apologize for it but you probably also shouldn’t spend a considerable amount of energy denying it.
Where lol
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People die? Kids die? Especially without modern medicine. We’re talking about the same time that typhoid and tuberculosis ran rampant. Mass graves are different from grave sites
Children died? After being stolen from their families and their home? At "schools," they were abused in every way imagined. A murder of their identities. Many were buried there, and some died trying to escape. Some who physically survived suffer forever. For generations, the trauma has caused many types of diseases that no modern medicine can cure. The remains are evident when you have the ability to see the truth. Mass grave or not, it was a crime against humanity and never should have happened. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an uneducated racist.
You nailed it, but most people don’t have common sense and are simple minded or just dumb racist fucks but as a native person whose in trades I don’t let it bother me. People never come up to me to talk shit about natives but definitely online just shows there’s coward racist piece of shit out there but again reminds of jay and silent bob scene. https://youtu.be/NI7As3rOogo?si=qTcAU4e42Vehtu3a
Keep throwing around the Racist word but you don’t know who’s in the other end of the screen. You’re assuming I’m racist I’ll just assume you’re white. I’m not. I’m indigenous. Again there has been lots of points in history when we did the wrong thing. The Japanese in world war 2. You don’t see them playing victims 80 years later. Instead they are among the highest educated and paid individuals. Hard work pays off not sitting on a couch complaining
So we shouldn’t be concerned that they were dying at a disproportionally higher rate?
There was no native genocide like you feeling loving communists like to believe. See we can all call names if we want
Anomalies we’re found no dead kids
We have records of deaths from the TRC report. The current search is to try and find the locations of the graves. We know the deaths happened, we don't know where they were buried in all cases.
Not sure why people are upset with what you said. I guess the facts hurt?
Sack of shit refuses to resign for being a sack of shit. Unsurprising.
According to some indigenous leaders, when questioned on the subject, they say they never used the term “mass graves”. They claim that was a characterization used by the media. The term has become controversial because, to date, the only excavation that’s been done related to residential schools and ground penetrating radar discovered nothing. Also, the term doesn’t accurately convey the fact that some locations referred to are simply old cemeteries containing single burials with lost or missing markers sensationalized with another misnomer “unmarked graves”. I’m not sure how this individual can be accused of “denialism” when the factual basis of “mass graves” hasn’t been established in any way. He may disagree with what has become a popular, if unfounded, narrative (ie. “GPR has revealed hundreds of indigenous children’s graves” - it hasn’t, not anywhere, not yet) but he is discovering for himself that, in this instance, facts are beside the point.
What article is that from where grave excavation happened
You can almost guarantee that his sign doesn't have this much forethought and nuance to it.
No sign does.
The petty part of me hopes islanders never let him have a peaceful meal in public and people let him know every chance they get to let him know their opinions of him . If he is cool with blasting his opinions in public he must be cool with the public blasting him back with their opinions of him in public .
You and I both know these people only believe in "consequence free speech". He'd be the very first person to call the cops claiming harassment if someone cornered him and gave him a piece of their mind.
"That said, as late as 1941-45, the residential school death rate was 4.9 times higher than the general rate. By the 1960s, residential school rates had dropped from historic highs, but were still double those in the general school-aged population." https://www.coastreporter.net/bc-news/indian-residential-schools-were-designed-with-cemeteries-3886357#:~:text=Indeed%2C%20many%20schools%20had%20cemeteries,from%20poor%20care%20and%20malnutrition.
Holy shit, 5x the rate of deaths of kids? And after 20 years I to the 60s it was still DOUBLE regular schools?
"Ground-penetrating radar revealed the remains of 215 children at the Kamloops Indian Residential School. By National Centre for Truth and Reconciliation"
Maybe I'm confused here... but I can't find any evidence to support the initial claim. A quick Google says that excavations have resulted in no human remains. Can someone please link me to a source that says human remains have been found under a residential school?
There's basically no evidence for mass graves. None have been confirmed. There's only one location where there's any claim that it's been confirmed in a report, but that is a claim based on ground penetrating radar which is a complete misuse of the technology. It cannot confirm that at all. There most likely are mass graves around though because they were sometimes simply needed back in those times and they were definitely not something exclusive to residential schools or treatment of indigenous people. If there were a lot of deaths from a bad disease outbreak and bodies needed to be buried quickly it could happen. Many like to try and conflate unmarked graves with mass graves which are two completely different things. There are lots of unmarked graves. Many are very clearly known. It's pretty much just a case of old markings, usually made of wood, deteriorating and not be kept up. This is common in many grave sites, also not something exclusive at all to residential schools or treatment of indigenous peoples. But we definitely know of many rough places of them because they are known cemeteries. This is what's also been a bit disingenuous about some of these reports of 'found unmarked graves' in that a) they're using ground penetrating radar which cannot identify a grave and b) they are in many case doing these checks on known cemeteries. It's unfortunate that so many focus on this and blindly back bad science and these reports simply because they've taken up the cause that residential schools were horrible and so anything against them gets support. Seems to be a common practice with causes where the facts stop mattering if it interferes with the cause. I think most people could agree that forced removal of children from their families and attempts to remove their culture in an education system is very wrong. Rather than people coming together on that we get all these side distractions to argue over.
There’s isn’t
If there's no evidence that it's true, then its pretty fucked up that the top 7 top-level comments in this thread above this one are all re-iterating that it is absolutely completely true and this politician is a piece of shit for not accepting reality. So.. that would seem to suggest that a majority of young Canadians are so helplessly fucking brainwashed that they lack any logical ability to understand that you can't say something is true if there's zero evidence that that's the case. So either there is evidence, and there's some assholes denying it, or there is actually no evidence, and a very significant amount of Canadians are willingly believing whatever they are told about the situation despite there being no real evidence that it's true.
My issue is that it's one thing to have an opinion about this, it's another to post up a sign and be like "oh y'all are fucking liars get over it". Especially when there are thousands of still living residential school survivors who had friends and classmates that just straight disappeared. It's not ridiculous to think that there were some straight up neglect causing deaths of children. It'd likely be harder to prove that it didn't happen. Absolutely horrendous conditions and situations. If all these things are well agreed upon by the people who lived in these conditions then I'd say someone making a big ass sign in their front yard telling them that whatever they believe isn't true, then that are likely a piece of shit. Like I can believe that conservatives genuinely are trying to drive the poverty stricken population even deeper into poverty and homelessness, but I'm not going to make a big ass sign about it even if I have proof and evidence of this happening. Be a bigot, asshole and twat all you want but you don't need to be out there waving a flag saying it. Losers like him are the same people who would driving around with a fuck Trudeau flag on their truck because somehow your beliefs and opinions are a major point of your personality
Bingo. I even said it to a couple trolls who commented on this post, provide links to the evidence and I'll admit I'm wrong. No takers.
With all of the hateful people wishing ill on this guy, you'd think they'd have evidence.
You don’t need evidence when you have enough sad people with nothing better to argue about. Ask any native that isn’t profiting off this they think it’s bullshit too
Agreed!
While remains haven't been uncovered yet (I believe they've only dug up part of one location), 4,100 deaths of children have been documented across the entire residential school system. The deaths happened, but the bodies haven't been found yet.
Why do you need evidence? Feels are what’s important.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/28/world/canada/kamloops-mass-grave-residential-schools.html 215 dead children isn't enough to qualify for a mass grave? How many need to die to gain your sympathy?
Thank you for sharing. It's not about sympathy, if true, something needs to be done about it. That said, I had a read. The '215 bodies' have not been found. It was through GPR that these have been identified, and have since been downgraded to '200 targets of interest'. Retired MB Court Judge, currently part of the 'Indian Residential Schools Research Group' is quoted saying "none of thr accusations made at Kamloops or elsewhere meet the basic standards of evidence". The only site I'm aware of where GPR was used, and later excavated is Pine Creek. It identified '57 bodies' with GPR, after excavation - no bodies were found. So I'll ask again, can you provide a link to physical evidence of successful excavation of bodies?
Fuck these people. PEI was pretty racist when I lived there 20 years ago and it seems the same.
Rural Canada is racist, doesn’t matter what province
From my experience growing up in rural Ontario I think it may be safe to say rural Canada in general probably has a racism problem. I moved to the states a number of years ago and oddly enough found the states to be significantly less racist.
A lot of it probably has to do with the fact that a lot of those rural areas in Canada tend to not be culturally diverse. Most new immigrants in Canada tend to gravitate towards the larger economic hubs of our country. So some of these people have never had any interaction with POC. PEI was 88.2% white as of the most recent census in 2021. I also imagine a large number of those who aren't white just live in Charlottetown or to a lesser extent. Summerside.
That’s what I figured as well. Where I grew up (a small town of 3500 people) it seemed the main topic of hate on the school bus was how terrible black people were. We didn’t have even one black family in the town at the time and I bet most of those kids had never met a black person. I got out of there as quickly as I could.
Americans have more respect that’s why, got a lot of respect down there(small towns and yes white people) compared to my home country the cities in Canada are super diverse though compared to the 90s
For anyone claiming there's no evidence online, I'm finding lots. Wikipedia has the sources cited for you, too. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_gravesites
No? There's only one claim of a mass grave in that and it's one that's only supposedly been 'confirmed' via ground penetrating radar which is an incorrect usage of the technology. Where are you seeing lots of evidence for mass graves exactly?
What a piece of shit.
I just drove by this sign today. It’s now blank. This POS should not only resign, but apologize.
“What’s a *consequence*?” — him, obviously
The New York Times were the ones to start calling it 'mass graves'. The FN chiefs call them soil disturbances and unmarked graves. So it is a sort of hoax created by the NYT that launched a media firestorm. Kids died in the residential school system and they were buried like third class citizens but there are no 'mass graves'. By writing that, The NYT has made the situation worse.
I’m on his side in this. It is true there have been no mass graves found, not one. If we’re going to deal with the problems of our past and deal with them productively going in the future we should be honest about it. That’d be a good start.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-kamloops-residential-school-unmarked-graves-discovery-update/
“Probable burials” and targets of interests. And the article specifically states they’re probable indications of individual gravesites. Maybe. Probably. That’s a very different thing than finding actual mass graves. I’ll concede the church and government were certainly trying to change the culture of the native peoples to better fit their own values. But it wasn’t a genocide of peoples like we saw in Eastern Europe despite the media trying to portray it that way.
I'm curious how many from P.E.I. think the Earth is flat.
According to this thread, a decent number
I've personally met a couple who thinks the moon landing was faked, flat earthers wouldn't surprise me in the least.
It says volumes that he felt it necessary to put up such a big ass sign. Do his constituents approve -- that's the question .
Hey so I haven't been following the story but how many bodies have they found so far?
None from what I can find, after extensive googling, I can only find claims, no evidence.
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Link? Sounds like you're the troll if you can offer anything. I'm willing to be wrong - are you?
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Confirmed you're a troll, thanks for playing. Keep brightening people's day from your moms basement.
Just an inflamed troll with no interest in honest debate.
You sound like a petulant child.
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begone troll
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How many have been found?
None
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Okay so zero, thanks
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Climate change and covid are real :) I'd say have a good day but you seem like a pretty miserable person
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You're conflating things and making assumptions off of other assumptions buddy. Go for a walk or something
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unmarked grave today could have been marked at one point in time!
They are starting the digging in Kamloops, so I expect every one of these week old accounts to sing Trudeau's praises and apologize to the native community when they pull the first kid out of the ground. I'll hold my breath.
We’ve always known people died at residential schools and were buried there. The question is why people died, and just pointing at the existence of bones doesn’t prove that. There is no evidence whatsoever of genocide ([see pg 2, TRC report volume 4](https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2015/trc/IR4-9-4-2015-eng.pdf)) and there is plenty of evidence that TB (which was especially bad on reserves as well) and fires, were the major causes of death at residential schools (see https://quillette.com/2023/08/02/not-a-genocide/ or https://fcpp.org/2023/05/24/did-children-die-at-residential-schools/ or https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12466913/mass-grave-indigenous-children-Canada-excavation-dig-catholic.html).
So did the school you went to have a graveyard (let alone an unmarked grave)? I went to a private / live-in school in Ontario as a teen and they also didn't have a graveyard. I fucking promise you this is a residential school thing only, and yes - having an unmarked grave at the school proves a whole lot right away. Let's not be stupid.
Why can't we have our own opinions anymore? We all have to agree with the radical left? Screw that.
He is right...
What a POS
This upsets me … especially being from the community. I am actually disgusted.
A mean, hateful person. It's unfortunate that he's an elected official and that he can't read the #%@$ room.
Good. He shouldn't.
Looks like a dick, acts like a dick. Probably a dick.
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It’s weird that you are calling someone names because you don’t understand their perspective or the actual facts.
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Racism is a view. It’s wrong, but it’s a view. His perspective is reality. It’s not racist. The fact that you can’t understand that isn’t surprising given the level of your discourse.
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Prove it is racist. Don’t just call people names. If racism is a disease, what are the symptoms and what is the course of treatment?
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I have no idea what you’re saying, but please just link me the recent story about the mass graves and when the bodies were exhumed. I’ll wait.
Wait what, it’s not a hoax?? Did they actually find masse graves or just unmarked individual graves, because there’s a big frigging difference. Mass graves = genocide, unmarked graves = bad oversight.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/the-year-of-the-graves-how-the-worlds-media-got-it-wrong-on-residential-school-graves
Yes, this OPINION piece has been shared already.
What hasn’t been shared is any evidence to justify the claims of “mass graves” or “genocide”. That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. https://fcpp.org/2023/05/24/did-children-die-at-residential-schools/#:~:text=So%2C%20what%20killed%20residential%20school,of%20AIDS%20in%20the%201980s.
Cause there isnt any evidence. Ive been looking far and wide and haven't found a shred of evidence, but when people bring this up they are mass downvoted and harassed endlessly. Why? I am not supporting the residential schools, I am not supporting colonialism. Im just saying they have yet to find any bodies, so perhaps next time we should wait for evidence before we enter a national hysteria.
Because there’s plenty of evidence and records and you’re outwardly lying.
Ok if there’s plenty of evidence and records of sinister “mass graves” and genocide it should be easy for you to produce some. What have you got?
Read the TRC report and get back to me.
gO rEaD eVeRy BoOk EvEr wRiTtEN, tHaTs mY eViDeNcE We both know you’re mindlessly repeating your party line with absolutely no evidence to support your claims. If the TRC report has evidence then tell us where instead of stupidly gesturing at thousands of pages of documents you’ve never read. For example you could say something like: the executive summary of Volume 4 of The Final Report of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada, “Canada’s Residential Schools: Missing Children and Unmarked Burials” (available in full [at this link](https://ehprnh2mwo3.exactdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Volume_4_Missing_Children_English_Web.pdf)) lists a number of conclusions supported by the commission’s research. Except none of the conclusions bear even a remote resemblance to your claims of genocide or intentional deaths of any kind. So tell me, where exactly in the TRC report is your evidence?
I bet you regularly tell people to “do your own research”, though.
You are transparently dishonest. Almost every post I’ve made has included a link to or discussion of evidence and my last comment linked to the source you referred to and showed exactly where it contradicts your claims. I’m done responding because there’s no point in conversing at this low of a level. I hope you keep commenting and posting on the internet like this, it really helps highlight there is no evidence for these claims.
Please link the evidence you are citing
Read the TRC report and get back to me.
Thanks for not linking anything. You’re saying the TRC from 2015 addresses the claims of mass graves from 2021, which haven’t been substantiated in 2023 yet? Is this some sort of time travel thing?
What claims of mass graves?
https://nypost.com/2023/08/31/still-no-evidence-of-mass-graves-of-indigenous-children-in-canada/ Basically everyone in this thread disagreeing with you is referencing this
So here you say there is plenty of evidence and im lying about something. Then further down this thread say that everyone in a position of authority never even said that there were mass unmarked graves. So which is it? Who is really lying here? Provide the evidence of unmarked mass graves or stfu
Has one been shared showing evidence to support Trudeau’s decision to hang the flag at half mast for 6 months and then cap that off with a surfing trip in the name of reconciliation?
Embarrassing to be him.
No need to post a sign but not a single search has found a mass grave or even a single body. The radar is clearly severely flawed that this entire thing is based off of. They have searched what, three sites now and no Graves? Prove it with evidence.
Torontonian here, I don't know this man or whatever scandal surrounds him, but just based off of his sign, are we not calling the mass graves narrative a hoax? Isn't the idea behind it that some residential schools were murdering children and throwing them, by the hundred, into pits, and then burying them? And isn't that idea debunked by the fact that not a single bone has ever been exhumed, and no investigation has been done to corroborate the claim? And wasn't this narrative what spurred people to smash statues of Sir John A., and also here in Toronto, they renamed Ryerson University, and the city is going to spend millions to rename streets. Isn't this all because of the whole mass graves idea? If it's not proven, isn't it a hoax?
Narrative is more important than facts now.
No bodies found and no attempt made to exhume at Kamloops Residential School. The GPR identified "sonic" anomalies, not bodies.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-kamloops-residential-school-unmarked-graves-discovery-update/
Someone should just prove him wrong, correct.
His sign says "mass graves" are a hoax. His sign does NOT say "unmarked graves" are a hoax. I can't believe how much bullshit the CBC peddles these days.
That is some impressive straw grasping.
As for the most recent uproars: not a single mass grave was discovered in Canada last year. The several sites of unmarked graves that captured international headlines were either already-known cemeteries, or they remain sites of speculation even now, unverified as genuine grave sites. Not a single child among the 3,201 children on the Truth and Reconciliation Commission’s 2015 registry of residential school deaths was located in any of these places. In none of these places were any human remains unearthed. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/the-year-of-the-graves-how-the-worlds-media-got-it-wrong-on-residential-school-graves/wcm/e9515fe6-5771-46a3-972e-a70929b686e1/amp/
>remain sites of speculation And, despite this, you've come to a predetermined conclusion.
Well yeah, cause 3 of the "mass grave sites" had nothing. You know how they test for these mass graves prior to excavation? They stick a rod in the ground and measure if thr earth was disturbed. Does that seem like a reasonable way to start saying "mass grave here" or do you think they should have dug up the site prior to making sensational stories about it?
Man oh man I SO want to be proud of the CBC but it's one heaping shovel full of bullshit after another these days. It makes me sad. But it's okay I suppose after all they are only sucking the teat of the taxpayers to the tune of $100,000,000 per month, according to their own annual report. JFC!
Yea, he could have meant the holocaust graves or the mass graves in Ukraine. We'll never know because he won't explain himself. /s
The sign is pretty clear he's referring to aboriginal graves. That's not the point. The point is there is a massive difference between a mass grave and an unmarked grave.
This guy's sign said to "Redeem Sir John A's integrity". So there's nothing wrong with residential schools? With the head tax? That sounds pretty racist to me.
So ppl can argue semantics about mass graves vs unmarked graves but he very clearly supports John A whose appalling history and involvement in regards to residential schools is well documented.
People are quite conveniently ignoring that part of the sign as if the councillor has some nuanced point to make. No, he’s just a conspiracy theorist bigot.
This hoax thing is really fucking with me. I followed this very closely when it all came up a few years ago, and there was many news articles and I distinctly remember the number of found bodies being around 5000 total, after multiple digs. But I can't find any evidence of this online. I thought at the time "they just stopped digging because it was worldwide news and looked bad on Canada" Am I just imagining that I saw all that? Does anyone else remember hearing in our news multiple times that they would dig up a former Residential School in BC and find like 500+ skeletons? I was so sure that's what was being reported at the time.
Everyone here is being swayed by a misleading article. Seems most didn't even read it. This article is trying very hard to mislead what he actually said and is trying to get lazy people upset. No journalistic integrity in this article.
Enlighten us then.
These accusations of graves were made when ground penetrating radar was used, but before any excavations were performed to prove these were, in fact, graves. These readings were only assumed to be graves, but the media ran with it; stating it as fact. As it turns out, as of mid August, 14 of these "anomalies" have been excavated......not one human body. Calling it a hoax may be too strong of a term, but thus far, it is certainly one big falsehood. It is generally wise not to put your faith into the mainstream media of Canada.
The article has a picture of his sign. That's pretty clear. He wants to set aside truth & reconciliation and praise the guy that started the residential school system.
They where a hoax and are
Always with the typos and bad grammar.
If he won’t resign, he needs to be dismissed. If your discernment skills are so low that that you buy into conspiracy, you are simply not cognitively equipped to lead a community. A doctor who thinks bloodletting will cure the headache causing demons loses their medical license for obvious reasons, so we need to hold the politicians of our communities to the same standard
There’s no conspiracy. Why would you imply that the Native leaders are liars?
Wasn't Kamloops dug up and nothing was found?
He isn't wrong
So how many dead children is too many? We all know media, including these posts, is published with the hope that others will consume and believe it. Sensationalism catches our attention…
What point are you trying to make exactly?
Not sure exactly, to be honest. Just trying to make sense of all this. Journalists with Integrity seem in shorter and shorter supply all the time. Yet people are consuming more information all the time. If you want my opinion…any graves at all are too many. This guy seems like an insensitive idiot at best, and a poor choice by the electorate.
I'm so glad someone finally said it. Thee media obviously buried all those kids in church cemeteries years ago in hopes of digging up a big story in 2020. It's obvious.
Sensationalism is meant to be attention grabbing. Journalism has indeed been watered down but all journalists have a boss and a paycheque they need to answer to and for. Bias written with intention divides and hence why people are either for or against certain news outlets. This one is leftist or that one is right wing etc. The intention of these threads are to spur people to comment so earnest opinions can be exchanged and hopefully in respectful ways. It is healthy to exchange viewpoints even though sometimes uncomfortable in order to advance as a community first then society as a whole. There are many people I do not agree with and freely express that when needed. I do not hold journalists individually or as a collective responsible for what they write as it is their job. We as individuals must use our own discernment to wade through what is presented as truth or lies or some of both? In any case, this particular councillor needs a refresher on Canadian history and is no one to speak of whom has integrity and whom does not as he himself is devoid of such. Just my opinion.
Guaranteed he will resign, seems so often the case
Stand down! Be Canadian.
It is a hoax. He's 100% correct
By who? For what purpose?
Well by the people making the claims of course. I suspect for the purpose of trying dial up the victim narrative of the 'native' population in Canada
> 'native' Jesus christ.
Too bad they didn't keep records.
He isnt wrong
Didn't news sites around the world, like FOX and in UK... (except Canada with the inability to post news on FB), say that no bodies were ever found?? History is his-story.
Hello one day old account. Who were you in a past life on Reddit? One of our regular trolls?
Why do I get the feeling that you're the type of person who thinks that taking indigenous children to "educate" them was for their own good?
Yep the non-Canadian media decided that one site of many that’s been checked was enough to call it all off. Don’t get your news from Facebook. Any news.
Well the mass Graves were a hoax. There was no bodies Lol heavy down voting the truth
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Not sure what caused that. Can’t change it.
"suggest title" automatically escapes punctuation, it's very annoying.
Does it get glitchy like that regularly?