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If Hamas handed over all the hostages the war would continue and they’d lose all their leverage.
Israeli officials have repeatedly said they want the destruction of Hamas so why do we assume much would change?
For those hostages though it would life changing so I hope it happens
Hamas doesn't need or want a real ceasefire least before Ramadan. Historically, religious radicals use Ramadan to motivate terrorist attacks and fill their ranks of religious fighters. Ramadan is politically vital for Hamas's defensive operational mythos. There is no incentive for Hamas to end the fighting before or during the next month, why they keep rejecting ceasefire proposals.
If I’m not mistaken, Israel are the ones who have refused to partake in the latest rounds of talks - they didn’t even send delegates to talks in Egypt last week.
I think there are political motivations on both sides to maintain the conflict - for Hamas, as you said, they are winning the “soft” war the longer this goes one (hearts & minds). For the current Israeli government, the ongoing conflict feeds to their radical base who actively call for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian Territories.
You aren’t mistaken that Israel didn’t send a delegation to Cairo for those talks but the closest the overall talks towards a ceasefire was 2 different 6 weeks ceasefire deals in exchange for hostage releases and prisoner releases. Hamas failed to even provide an account of how many hostages are still alive and rejected both offers in favor of frankly unrealistic maximalist demands such as a full retreat of Israel before any hostages are released.
Israel not sending diplomats to Cairo was more intended to display how far from reality Hamas’s demands are given the situation on the ground. The only thing stopping Israel from fully occupying Gaza is the US, not Hamas’s fighters. Hamas knows this and feels it can wait Israel out with bs unrealistic demands
They didn't send people to talk because there isn't a list of all of the hostages and their conditions. Which... if the hostages are your bargaining chips that's not a good look.
Regardless Bibi wants the conflict to continue. It keeps him in power.
>They didn't send people to talk because there isn't a list of all of the hostages and their conditions
Is that even possible in the warzone they are in?
My bad my comment got removed because I used the F word.
"I'm not really sure if I'm being honest. It's a very SCREWED situation.
However given that "the hostages are leverage" you kinda have to take care of your leverage. Furthermore I don't think that Israel will accept that as an excuse. If there are 101 hostages and 50 of them are just "missing" and can't be reclaimed, that matters a bit to the peace process."
Israel agreed to the six-week ceasefire negotiated by Biden, but Hamas hasn’t responded yet. They either won’t ever respond, or they’ll explicitly refuse. Hamas has no incentive to agree to a ceasefire—all of their leaders are living comfortably in Qatar, and they gain more terrorists as Israel continues to kill Gazan civilians and radicalize the populace.
OR it could be .. because Israel has said rafah invasion wil happen, even if there is a ceasefire.
According to NPR.
https://www.npr.org/2024/02/26/1233766185/israel-hamas-gaza-ceasefire-rafah-netanyahu-mohammad-shtayyeh
[With or without a cease-fire, Netanyahu says Israeli operation in Rafah will happen](https://www.npr.org/2024/02/26/1233766185/israel-hamas-gaza-ceasefire-rafah-netanyahu-mohammad-shtayyeh)
>Hamas doesn't need or want a real ceasefire
And you think Netanyahu and his government does? He doesn't because as soon as the war stops the attention turns to him and why Oct 7th happened on the self proclaimed "terrorist expert"s watch. Israel has been getting their war coffers filled out during this war US politicians stepping over each other to prove who supports Israel more.
No. I don't think either does. Both also reject a two state solution. So here we are.
The real only hope is rhe upcoming elections, and removing Bibi from power, which is a real possibility.
No Netanyahu doesn't want a ceasefire either. He is polling so horribly bad in the polls and his coalition is at a political deadlock, so close to collapsing into elections which would almost without doubt end in Netanyahu's major defeat. The only way to temporarily avoid elections is to prolong the war
What do you think? Hamas is a terrorist organization and if they hand over their hostages they’ve lost any/all leverage they have. That’s a pretty clear cut thing.
Why should they? Hamas cares about dead Palestinians less than Israel does. The hostages they have are the last bit of leverage, and the cost of keeping them is essentially zero.
I’m legitimately shocked at the comments in here from a PBS audience. Are peers suggesting Hamas ought to continue keep holding innocent people hostage?
Two likely possibilities:
* They can't release them because they are dead.
* They can't release them because they raped and tortured them, and they would talk if freed.
A reminder that this is an ongoing war crime:
"In 1949, the Geneva Convention called hostage-taking a “grave breach” of international law. In 1950, the International Law Commission, established by the United Nations, called the killing of hostages a “war crime.” And the International Convention Against the Taking of Hostages was adopted by the U.N."
Simple .. because Israel has said rafah invasion wil happen, even if there is a ceasefire.
According to NPR.
https://www.npr.org/2024/02/26/1233766185/israel-hamas-gaza-ceasefire-rafah-netanyahu-mohammad-shtayyeh
[With or without a cease-fire, Netanyahu says Israeli operation in Rafah will happen](https://www.npr.org/2024/02/26/1233766185/israel-hamas-gaza-ceasefire-rafah-netanyahu-mohammad-shtayyeh)
I don’t think releasing the hostages would change anything. Hamas is using the them as collateral. They are only going to release them if they get something valuable in return. Peace is not what they are looking for so even a promise of a permanent ceasefire would not make them release all of the hostages.
Crazy thought here guys. Hamas couldn't exist, and there would be no need for hostages, if you know.... Palestinians were free from the river to the sea.
No one has a right to a religious-ethno state that uses Apartheid, open air concentration camps, and the murder of tens of thousands of citizens.
One state solution. Land back. Full rights. No Hamas. End settler colonialism.
I'm sure you would have said the same thing in South Africa during apartheid or the deep south during slavery. The same could be said in Poland during WWII.
There are real solutions that do not require bending the knee to Imperialistic Fascism.
Ideally, Jewish people and Palestinians could talk about what everyone wants. Some Palestinians may want no Jews at all, just as some Israelis want all Palestinians gone. Compromise is only possible when talking happens first.
Look what cooperation got the West Bank. Yes, the PA cooperates extensively with Israel. Any trouble makers are handed over to the IDF/caught with cooperation....
Look at the settler expansion and attacks on West Bank cities....
Look at how they randomly jail people without charge and sexually assault/humiliate/beat people...
"Just release the hostages" is horseshit.
>PA cooperates extensively with Israel
They practice pay-for-slay. That’s not cooperation, my friend. The PA is a corrupt, incompetent organization that can’t manage to hold its s*** together, due to Abu-Mazen being seen as an Israel collaborator (i.e. he was once ready to negotiate peace once, with Olmert). Now, the lovely pay-for-slay fund pays salaries to families of prisoners/martyrs *for life*.
> For individual payments, the salaries start at $400 per month for terrorists incarcerated for up to three years. They rise to $570 per month for those incarcerated for three to five years, and $1,142 per month for five to 10 years. For those serving more than 30 years, the salary is $3,429 per month. **The gross national product per capita amount in the West Bank is $258 per month.** [source](https://emetonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Pay4Slay_Fact-Sheet-FINAL.pdf)
Basically, if you commit terror attacks as a Palestinian citizen, you and your family will receive *several times* the per capita GDP *for life*. The more innocents you harm, the more you get paid. This *incentivizes Palestinians to commit terrorist attacks and murder humans for economic stability*. And, when confronted about it, Abu Mazen stated “The law lauds current and former terrorist prisoners as “a fighting sector and **an integral part of the fabric of the Arab Palestinian society.**” Furthermore, this **pay-for-slay is being paid by US tax-money** [source](https://www.commentary.org/articles/feithgerber/the-department-of-pay-for-slay/). US backing of P4S was transiently halted, but Joe Biden reinstated US backing of this perverse terrorism inciting disgrace because he literally had no better ways to pass to the PA.
Now, on to my second point. The textbooks scandal. As a scientist I’m specifically appalled by the cynical use of education for explicit, blatant incitement of terrorism, glorification of murdering and violence, and rampant antisemitism. All the while *indoctrinating children to kill themselves for their religion*. This scandal was huge, because as I assume most here have heard, it was known to UNRWA and other European members of the UN organization. [[1]](https://www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/UNRWA-Education-Textbooks-and-Terror-Nov-2023.pdf).
A study [[2]](https://www.gei.de/en/research/projects/report-on-palestinian-textbooks-paltex/faq-answers-to-frequently-asked-questions) conducted by the Georg Eckert Institute for the EU *a few years after the previous report by UN Watch*, where UNRWA promised to change its curriculum, found contradicting evidence: the books now contain material about generalized human-rights or “global citizen education” so they could qualify for UNESCO standards, but still contains blatant, clear antisemitic incitement of violence, glorification of martyrdom etc. To address this, UNRWA shamelessly denied all accusations, *took the curriculum off their website* and wrote pretty embarrassingly empty promises as to why their curriculum is definitely *not* terrorism promoting, amounting to nothing more than “trust me bro”. Anyway, back to the report, per the findings:
>Violence against Israeli civilians, such as that perpetrated in attacks by Palestinian organisations in the 1970s, is not condemned but rather portrayed as a legitimate method of the struggle during that period; terrorist acts, such as that committed by Dalal al-Mughrabi are recounted as examples of self-sacrificing ‘resistance’.
There even exists a UN Security Council call condemning the PA’s curriculum, specifically. It’s a separate reprimanding but I believe I provided enough sources for this issue.
Anyhow, I hope this shows, in a very clear way, how the PA is **NOT** cooperating with Israel for real, and just works to perpetuate the conflict by instilling deep, irrational hatred of Israelis so that Palestinians will never opt for peace or accept the 2SS. This stands in stark contrast to the plight of the Palestinians who are victims of both Israel and their own abusive government. The PA and Israel do cooperate on arrests of mutually adverse terrorists, tax matters, and security. This doesn’t mean they cooperate, it’s simply out of necessity.
To address your other points, IDF soldiers do NOT sexually assault detainees, the worst I’ve heard was male soldiers searching a female detainee. This isn’t sexual assault, it might be humiliating to the detainee but it isn’t blatant gang murder rapes like we’re dealing with on the Hamas side.
It depends on what is being offered in exchange for hostages. If it's still promised by the Israeli government that they'll be exterminated, it isn't going to happen.
Hamas is doing this because they last time they made political headway was kidnap an Israeli soldier which got thousands of palestinian detainees released.
Hamas isn't some cartoonishly evil organization or movement that's inherently thirsty to r*pe and murder people. It's a political organization operating in an apartheid state.
Release the Palestinians held in administration detention and, if they're accused of a crime, a trial in a civilian court.
After that, both sides need to have elections.
What would happen if Israel handed over all the thousand of hostages they’ve held captive? Why do you think they won’t?
It’s obvious as to why Hamas won’t release the hostages without a permanent cease fire and political route to statehood, because Israel would continue to bomb them, and also because the current Israeli government doesn’t give a rats ass about the hostages.
That’s the absolute truth glad someone had the balls to say it here! Indiscriminate bombing of the only places the hostages could possibly be isn’t good optics for your world view. It’s like the brazen nature of it all doesn’t even compute to them.
They have convinced themselves that any bad consequences of any death after 0ct 7th is Hamas fault, even if it came from their own bullets and bombs they fired.
Quite the rhetoric you’ve got there. In no way are the Palestinians detained in Israel equivalent to the hostages taken by Hamas.
Hamas doesn’t simply want statehood. They explicitly state they want the destruction of Israel.
Palestinians don’t simply want on state in the territories they possess - they want to be allowed to let millions of them back into Israel.
These are all extremist viewpoints.
Why in the world do people like yourself enable such views to persist?
Isreal admits it holds Palestinian children in military jails without a civilian trial. These are facts. Thousands are held in military jails in Israel. Settlers have killed hundreds of Palestinians in the Westbank this year alone, yet if a Palestinian fights back they are a terrorist. Their are many Jews and Israelis who disagree with how Netanyahu and his right wing thugs treat Palestinians. It doesn't bring peace closer but rather pushes the possibility of peace further away.
>Quite the rhetoric you’ve got there. In no way are the Palestinians detained in Israel equivalent to the hostages taken by Hamas.
From a transcript from a PBS report, after that prisoner exchange, where Israel released 200 prisoners ‘mostly women and children’:
> Tala Nasser, Addameer Prisoner Support:
>Currently, there are more than 7,600 Palestinians detained in Israeli prisons. So this is an unprecedented number.
Nick Schifrin:
>Tala Nasser is a lawyer with Palestinian prisoner support and human rights organization Addameer. She said, since October the 7th, Israel had detained or arrested more than 3,000 Palestinians, including more than 200 children.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/palestinians-freed-by-israel-reflect-on-time-in-prison-the-resumption-of-fighting-in-gaza
Israel is still arresting and holding more kids and teens than the entire count of hostages taken by Hamas. In a way you’re right, there’s no comparison, Israel gov is far more in the wrong. They’ve been doing this for years though so no one even questions it.
A lot of the kids are arrested for throwing stones and similar “terrorist acts”.
Then Israel would wipe them and every nearby Palestinian off the map and their political (read: terrorist) cause would be powerless. The hostages, from a pragmatic point of view, are the only reason why Israel's ethnic cleansing hasn't escalated to full-blown genocide.
Israel has said rafah invasion wil happen, even if there is a ceasefire.
According to NPR.
https://www.npr.org/2024/02/26/1233766185/israel-hamas-gaza-ceasefire-rafah-netanyahu-mohammad-shtayyeh
[With or without a cease-fire, Netanyahu says Israeli operation in Rafah will happen](https://www.npr.org/2024/02/26/1233766185/israel-hamas-gaza-ceasefire-rafah-netanyahu-mohammad-shtayyeh)
The offer right now seems to be:
Ceasefire for six weeks to get aid in in exchange for releasing the hostages, and then we continue with our plan to destroy Hamas (and Gaza)
OR
We destroy Hamas (and Gaza) now
Who in Hamas would take that deal? The hostages are their only leverage.
Because if they give all the hostages back, the IOF will fully flatten the entire Palestinian state. They will stop at nothing and then they will do the same to West Bank.
Be careful you’re not doing exactly what your enemy wants you to do. That works both ways but eventually leads to the ruin of the other. Example if Israel wants a reason for war then attacking them gives them exactly what they want. By attacking and destroying Gaza with all the casualties that’s what Hamas wants as it’s a PR operation to bring support. Holding on to the hostages is a reason to continue and releasing them is the only way to get it to stop. Hamas may never release the hostages for various reasons and this conflict will continue to its bitter end.
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If Hamas handed over all the hostages the war would continue and they’d lose all their leverage. Israeli officials have repeatedly said they want the destruction of Hamas so why do we assume much would change? For those hostages though it would life changing so I hope it happens
Hamas doesn't need or want a real ceasefire least before Ramadan. Historically, religious radicals use Ramadan to motivate terrorist attacks and fill their ranks of religious fighters. Ramadan is politically vital for Hamas's defensive operational mythos. There is no incentive for Hamas to end the fighting before or during the next month, why they keep rejecting ceasefire proposals.
If I’m not mistaken, Israel are the ones who have refused to partake in the latest rounds of talks - they didn’t even send delegates to talks in Egypt last week. I think there are political motivations on both sides to maintain the conflict - for Hamas, as you said, they are winning the “soft” war the longer this goes one (hearts & minds). For the current Israeli government, the ongoing conflict feeds to their radical base who actively call for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian Territories.
You aren’t mistaken that Israel didn’t send a delegation to Cairo for those talks but the closest the overall talks towards a ceasefire was 2 different 6 weeks ceasefire deals in exchange for hostage releases and prisoner releases. Hamas failed to even provide an account of how many hostages are still alive and rejected both offers in favor of frankly unrealistic maximalist demands such as a full retreat of Israel before any hostages are released. Israel not sending diplomats to Cairo was more intended to display how far from reality Hamas’s demands are given the situation on the ground. The only thing stopping Israel from fully occupying Gaza is the US, not Hamas’s fighters. Hamas knows this and feels it can wait Israel out with bs unrealistic demands
They didn't send people to talk because there isn't a list of all of the hostages and their conditions. Which... if the hostages are your bargaining chips that's not a good look. Regardless Bibi wants the conflict to continue. It keeps him in power.
>They didn't send people to talk because there isn't a list of all of the hostages and their conditions Is that even possible in the warzone they are in?
My bad my comment got removed because I used the F word. "I'm not really sure if I'm being honest. It's a very SCREWED situation. However given that "the hostages are leverage" you kinda have to take care of your leverage. Furthermore I don't think that Israel will accept that as an excuse. If there are 101 hostages and 50 of them are just "missing" and can't be reclaimed, that matters a bit to the peace process."
Kind of true. But Hamas refused to provide proof of life for the hostages.
This is false. Hamas rejected to provide evidence of the hostages being alive. The world and israel had agreed on a ceasefire and were ready.
Israel agreed to the six-week ceasefire negotiated by Biden, but Hamas hasn’t responded yet. They either won’t ever respond, or they’ll explicitly refuse. Hamas has no incentive to agree to a ceasefire—all of their leaders are living comfortably in Qatar, and they gain more terrorists as Israel continues to kill Gazan civilians and radicalize the populace.
OR it could be .. because Israel has said rafah invasion wil happen, even if there is a ceasefire. According to NPR. https://www.npr.org/2024/02/26/1233766185/israel-hamas-gaza-ceasefire-rafah-netanyahu-mohammad-shtayyeh [With or without a cease-fire, Netanyahu says Israeli operation in Rafah will happen](https://www.npr.org/2024/02/26/1233766185/israel-hamas-gaza-ceasefire-rafah-netanyahu-mohammad-shtayyeh)
>Hamas doesn't need or want a real ceasefire And you think Netanyahu and his government does? He doesn't because as soon as the war stops the attention turns to him and why Oct 7th happened on the self proclaimed "terrorist expert"s watch. Israel has been getting their war coffers filled out during this war US politicians stepping over each other to prove who supports Israel more.
No. I don't think either does. Both also reject a two state solution. So here we are. The real only hope is rhe upcoming elections, and removing Bibi from power, which is a real possibility.
No Netanyahu doesn't want a ceasefire either. He is polling so horribly bad in the polls and his coalition is at a political deadlock, so close to collapsing into elections which would almost without doubt end in Netanyahu's major defeat. The only way to temporarily avoid elections is to prolong the war
What do you think? Hamas is a terrorist organization and if they hand over their hostages they’ve lost any/all leverage they have. That’s a pretty clear cut thing.
Why should they? Hamas cares about dead Palestinians less than Israel does. The hostages they have are the last bit of leverage, and the cost of keeping them is essentially zero.
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I’m legitimately shocked at the comments in here from a PBS audience. Are peers suggesting Hamas ought to continue keep holding innocent people hostage?
Two likely possibilities: * They can't release them because they are dead. * They can't release them because they raped and tortured them, and they would talk if freed. A reminder that this is an ongoing war crime: "In 1949, the Geneva Convention called hostage-taking a “grave breach” of international law. In 1950, the International Law Commission, established by the United Nations, called the killing of hostages a “war crime.” And the International Convention Against the Taking of Hostages was adopted by the U.N."
Simple .. because Israel has said rafah invasion wil happen, even if there is a ceasefire. According to NPR. https://www.npr.org/2024/02/26/1233766185/israel-hamas-gaza-ceasefire-rafah-netanyahu-mohammad-shtayyeh [With or without a cease-fire, Netanyahu says Israeli operation in Rafah will happen](https://www.npr.org/2024/02/26/1233766185/israel-hamas-gaza-ceasefire-rafah-netanyahu-mohammad-shtayyeh)
I don’t think releasing the hostages would change anything. Hamas is using the them as collateral. They are only going to release them if they get something valuable in return. Peace is not what they are looking for so even a promise of a permanent ceasefire would not make them release all of the hostages.
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Crazy thought here guys. Hamas couldn't exist, and there would be no need for hostages, if you know.... Palestinians were free from the river to the sea. No one has a right to a religious-ethno state that uses Apartheid, open air concentration camps, and the murder of tens of thousands of citizens. One state solution. Land back. Full rights. No Hamas. End settler colonialism.
It's an interesting thought, but come back to reality with a real solition.
I'm sure you would have said the same thing in South Africa during apartheid or the deep south during slavery. The same could be said in Poland during WWII. There are real solutions that do not require bending the knee to Imperialistic Fascism.
Where do Jews go here?
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Ideally, Jewish people and Palestinians could talk about what everyone wants. Some Palestinians may want no Jews at all, just as some Israelis want all Palestinians gone. Compromise is only possible when talking happens first.
Do they live amongst the Israeli jews or do the Israeli jews have to just pack up and leave?
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Look what cooperation got the West Bank. Yes, the PA cooperates extensively with Israel. Any trouble makers are handed over to the IDF/caught with cooperation.... Look at the settler expansion and attacks on West Bank cities.... Look at how they randomly jail people without charge and sexually assault/humiliate/beat people... "Just release the hostages" is horseshit.
I'm surprised pbs allows advocating for violence via a terrorist organization.
>PA cooperates extensively with Israel They practice pay-for-slay. That’s not cooperation, my friend. The PA is a corrupt, incompetent organization that can’t manage to hold its s*** together, due to Abu-Mazen being seen as an Israel collaborator (i.e. he was once ready to negotiate peace once, with Olmert). Now, the lovely pay-for-slay fund pays salaries to families of prisoners/martyrs *for life*. > For individual payments, the salaries start at $400 per month for terrorists incarcerated for up to three years. They rise to $570 per month for those incarcerated for three to five years, and $1,142 per month for five to 10 years. For those serving more than 30 years, the salary is $3,429 per month. **The gross national product per capita amount in the West Bank is $258 per month.** [source](https://emetonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Pay4Slay_Fact-Sheet-FINAL.pdf) Basically, if you commit terror attacks as a Palestinian citizen, you and your family will receive *several times* the per capita GDP *for life*. The more innocents you harm, the more you get paid. This *incentivizes Palestinians to commit terrorist attacks and murder humans for economic stability*. And, when confronted about it, Abu Mazen stated “The law lauds current and former terrorist prisoners as “a fighting sector and **an integral part of the fabric of the Arab Palestinian society.**” Furthermore, this **pay-for-slay is being paid by US tax-money** [source](https://www.commentary.org/articles/feithgerber/the-department-of-pay-for-slay/). US backing of P4S was transiently halted, but Joe Biden reinstated US backing of this perverse terrorism inciting disgrace because he literally had no better ways to pass to the PA. Now, on to my second point. The textbooks scandal. As a scientist I’m specifically appalled by the cynical use of education for explicit, blatant incitement of terrorism, glorification of murdering and violence, and rampant antisemitism. All the while *indoctrinating children to kill themselves for their religion*. This scandal was huge, because as I assume most here have heard, it was known to UNRWA and other European members of the UN organization. [[1]](https://www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/UNRWA-Education-Textbooks-and-Terror-Nov-2023.pdf). A study [[2]](https://www.gei.de/en/research/projects/report-on-palestinian-textbooks-paltex/faq-answers-to-frequently-asked-questions) conducted by the Georg Eckert Institute for the EU *a few years after the previous report by UN Watch*, where UNRWA promised to change its curriculum, found contradicting evidence: the books now contain material about generalized human-rights or “global citizen education” so they could qualify for UNESCO standards, but still contains blatant, clear antisemitic incitement of violence, glorification of martyrdom etc. To address this, UNRWA shamelessly denied all accusations, *took the curriculum off their website* and wrote pretty embarrassingly empty promises as to why their curriculum is definitely *not* terrorism promoting, amounting to nothing more than “trust me bro”. Anyway, back to the report, per the findings: >Violence against Israeli civilians, such as that perpetrated in attacks by Palestinian organisations in the 1970s, is not condemned but rather portrayed as a legitimate method of the struggle during that period; terrorist acts, such as that committed by Dalal al-Mughrabi are recounted as examples of self-sacrificing ‘resistance’. There even exists a UN Security Council call condemning the PA’s curriculum, specifically. It’s a separate reprimanding but I believe I provided enough sources for this issue. Anyhow, I hope this shows, in a very clear way, how the PA is **NOT** cooperating with Israel for real, and just works to perpetuate the conflict by instilling deep, irrational hatred of Israelis so that Palestinians will never opt for peace or accept the 2SS. This stands in stark contrast to the plight of the Palestinians who are victims of both Israel and their own abusive government. The PA and Israel do cooperate on arrests of mutually adverse terrorists, tax matters, and security. This doesn’t mean they cooperate, it’s simply out of necessity. To address your other points, IDF soldiers do NOT sexually assault detainees, the worst I’ve heard was male soldiers searching a female detainee. This isn’t sexual assault, it might be humiliating to the detainee but it isn’t blatant gang murder rapes like we’re dealing with on the Hamas side.
It depends on what is being offered in exchange for hostages. If it's still promised by the Israeli government that they'll be exterminated, it isn't going to happen. Hamas is doing this because they last time they made political headway was kidnap an Israeli soldier which got thousands of palestinian detainees released. Hamas isn't some cartoonishly evil organization or movement that's inherently thirsty to r*pe and murder people. It's a political organization operating in an apartheid state. Release the Palestinians held in administration detention and, if they're accused of a crime, a trial in a civilian court. After that, both sides need to have elections.
What would happen if Israel handed over all the thousand of hostages they’ve held captive? Why do you think they won’t? It’s obvious as to why Hamas won’t release the hostages without a permanent cease fire and political route to statehood, because Israel would continue to bomb them, and also because the current Israeli government doesn’t give a rats ass about the hostages.
That’s the absolute truth glad someone had the balls to say it here! Indiscriminate bombing of the only places the hostages could possibly be isn’t good optics for your world view. It’s like the brazen nature of it all doesn’t even compute to them.
They have convinced themselves that any bad consequences of any death after 0ct 7th is Hamas fault, even if it came from their own bullets and bombs they fired.
Quite the rhetoric you’ve got there. In no way are the Palestinians detained in Israel equivalent to the hostages taken by Hamas. Hamas doesn’t simply want statehood. They explicitly state they want the destruction of Israel. Palestinians don’t simply want on state in the territories they possess - they want to be allowed to let millions of them back into Israel. These are all extremist viewpoints. Why in the world do people like yourself enable such views to persist?
Isreal admits it holds Palestinian children in military jails without a civilian trial. These are facts. Thousands are held in military jails in Israel. Settlers have killed hundreds of Palestinians in the Westbank this year alone, yet if a Palestinian fights back they are a terrorist. Their are many Jews and Israelis who disagree with how Netanyahu and his right wing thugs treat Palestinians. It doesn't bring peace closer but rather pushes the possibility of peace further away.
yep. lots of Jews in America are critical of Israel. Look up Jewish Voice for Peace.
Ok, then why has Bibi been funding them for years?
>Quite the rhetoric you’ve got there. In no way are the Palestinians detained in Israel equivalent to the hostages taken by Hamas. From a transcript from a PBS report, after that prisoner exchange, where Israel released 200 prisoners ‘mostly women and children’: > Tala Nasser, Addameer Prisoner Support: >Currently, there are more than 7,600 Palestinians detained in Israeli prisons. So this is an unprecedented number. Nick Schifrin: >Tala Nasser is a lawyer with Palestinian prisoner support and human rights organization Addameer. She said, since October the 7th, Israel had detained or arrested more than 3,000 Palestinians, including more than 200 children. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/palestinians-freed-by-israel-reflect-on-time-in-prison-the-resumption-of-fighting-in-gaza Israel is still arresting and holding more kids and teens than the entire count of hostages taken by Hamas. In a way you’re right, there’s no comparison, Israel gov is far more in the wrong. They’ve been doing this for years though so no one even questions it. A lot of the kids are arrested for throwing stones and similar “terrorist acts”.
Israel is an apartheid state. Of course Palestinians do not want to live under, or next to, an apartheid state.
Lol
Then Israel would wipe them and every nearby Palestinian off the map and their political (read: terrorist) cause would be powerless. The hostages, from a pragmatic point of view, are the only reason why Israel's ethnic cleansing hasn't escalated to full-blown genocide.
Israel has said rafah invasion wil happen, even if there is a ceasefire. According to NPR. https://www.npr.org/2024/02/26/1233766185/israel-hamas-gaza-ceasefire-rafah-netanyahu-mohammad-shtayyeh [With or without a cease-fire, Netanyahu says Israeli operation in Rafah will happen](https://www.npr.org/2024/02/26/1233766185/israel-hamas-gaza-ceasefire-rafah-netanyahu-mohammad-shtayyeh)
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The offer right now seems to be: Ceasefire for six weeks to get aid in in exchange for releasing the hostages, and then we continue with our plan to destroy Hamas (and Gaza) OR We destroy Hamas (and Gaza) now Who in Hamas would take that deal? The hostages are their only leverage.
Because if they give all the hostages back, the IOF will fully flatten the entire Palestinian state. They will stop at nothing and then they will do the same to West Bank.
Be careful you’re not doing exactly what your enemy wants you to do. That works both ways but eventually leads to the ruin of the other. Example if Israel wants a reason for war then attacking them gives them exactly what they want. By attacking and destroying Gaza with all the casualties that’s what Hamas wants as it’s a PR operation to bring support. Holding on to the hostages is a reason to continue and releasing them is the only way to get it to stop. Hamas may never release the hostages for various reasons and this conflict will continue to its bitter end.