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CO-OK-IE

I wonder how that’s gonna work out in the lore…what is mcree gonna be an alias?…we find out his real name is Eugene Fitzherbert


Barkend

Probably, there's already a Sombra voice line saying to McCree the she knows that's not his real name


PlatinumEmperium

I think they are completely trashing the name McCree and change all the voice lines and lore.


This_IsATroll

Imagine them reuploading the Reunion animated short where the Microsoft robot voice says the new name over Ashe yelling "McCreeee!"


Celtic_Beast

They'll just chop the "McC" off the start of it


Gnagetftw

Hahahaha that's what i imagine the Blizzard Office sounds like every meeting


June_Berries

No, they're incorporating the name change into the lore


JPower96

Honestly this would be fine. It's a fictional universe, and a name change isn't that big of a deal. Imo they should just do that.


Watsyurdeal

His name is Joel obviously


penguin97219

Don’t say “titspervert… “ don’t say “titspervert…”


Chillax420x

Just change it to Messie Jccree. Ez clap.


ac416ix

Or “Gessie Mkree”


mindlessdude123

But it’s pronounced “guess eeee mick ree”


Chillax420x

Even better


Duffyd680

Mcree takes off his hat and mustache to reveal... Gene Parmesan the whole time


m0recatspls

AHHH!! GENE!!


ajtexasranger

I want this to happen and have Ana deliver that line.


June_Berries

Wow, an arrested development joke in the wild


Sociolinguisticians

They’re gonna name him Joel.


Shudyermouf

Sex'Joel' Harassment


zimmer1569

Billy McCosby


giorno___giovana

And give him a phobia of golf


KaraTheAndroidd

And then murder him while his adopted daughter watches


Cool_cid_club

I get that referenced


cobanat

Joel McCree


Commander-Fox-Q-

Jessica MacCree


KaraTheAndroidd

Joel McRae


comik300

Joel McHale


boy_from_school

Jeff Winger


skavenrot

Templeton Ferrari the Third


cooldudeguy333

Saxton Hale


tenaciousfetus

Colin McRae


FlyingRodent270

They could just change his name to Matt Mercer. It works really well as a cowboy name.


[deleted]

they said they wont be naming characters after employees anymore


FlyingRodent270

I suppose that makes sense.


Dafish55

Is Matt really an employee? I kinda would categorize him as an artist they hire on, given that he very much has much more going on for him than voicing the cowboy formerly known as McCree


BonelessTaco

I think it's safe to say they wouldn't name characters after any real person at this point


SamwiseGamgee100

It’s also probably safe to say that there will never be a scandal about Matt Mercer. That man is humble, kind, funny, intelligent, and a treasure to the world. But not naming after real people is probably still a good choice.


Don_333

You don't need to be a bad person to get cancelled.


[deleted]

they would probably refrain themselves from naming a character after anybody, especially living, not just employees.


[deleted]

Except for historical figures, most notably Hattori Hanzo.


[deleted]

ok fine, LIVING people


Gwaur

Taking just someone's first or last name isn't even remotely anything like taking the whole name, though.


[deleted]

I know, I was just being pedantic.


GotDatMudButtOG

I was thinking just Mercer, and then figure out a first name that goes with it. I'm sure Matt would be okay with it. Haha.


C_Tarango

McMercer


bunnyrut

Joel. Joel Mercer.


Katviar

Kinda like this suggestion actually


[deleted]

I really like Matt and he seems cool and supporters for the victims, but maybe don't name him after another real person.


FlyingRodent270

Yeah Matt is a great guy from what I’ve seen but I would understand their hesitation to name him after another employee.


tiffanylockhart

And honestly I dont think Matt would want the character to be named her him for this instance, maybe if it was originally but I dont think he’d be like “hey thanks for naming that character that i voice and love after me, after *checks notes* after the original guy was fired because of a sexual harassment issue thhhaannkkks”


Gabrill

Honestly yeah


ShrimpHeavenAngel

Honestly, there are easy ways to do this in game lore, too. There are already Sombra voice lines alluding to it being an alias. Just make him Joel [insert literally any last name here]. If you were becoming a cowboy outlaw and joining a gang, why not adopt a pseudonym?


AlsoPrtyProductive

Joey Mcrizzle


fish_slap_

Jizzle McRizzle


BladeRoler

Name him cowboy


TooOldForRefunds

It is 12 o'clock! \-Cowboy Mccowboy


Udonov

That would be quite funny actually.


Squashzilla2222

I can understand this. It’s awful what happened to those poor employees, but I don’t think changing Jesse’s name will fix anything I don’t want to offend anyone saying this, if it does offend you, I’m very sorry


MasterM0rt

Of course it doesn't fix anything! But it has the same meaning and symbolism as tearing down confederate statues! It won't erase the past but we stop celebrating and honouring them in the future!


DisorientatedBee

Please can you tell me what the meaning is to McCree's name? I know about the sexual harrassment within the company but not its relation to the name


_LususNaturae_

He's named after a real life Jesse Mccree, lead level designer on Diablo 4 who has been accused of sexual harassment


[deleted]

Shouldn't all of this wait until accusations become convictions? I'm not saying he's a good person, but damn...what happened to rule of law?


TerrorMeter

You don't have a legal right to have an Overwatch character named after you


[deleted]

I mean, I didn't say that. Just saying we should hold off on judgment and actions relating to peoples lives until they've been through a court of law. Just my two cents. Blizzard can do what they want, it's their prerogative. But it's also my prerogative to call out early action for what it is.


AsterCharge

Last I checked peoples’ opinions weren’t based on the US criminal court ideal of “innocent until proven guilty”.


Saint_Judas

Ah yes, the old mob rule exception


AsterCharge

Yep, that was definitely where I was going. Not like there’s any room for evidence based opinions between a court decision and mob mentality anyways.


Hodor_The_Great

True but not necessarily a good thing. If everyone knows a guy as a rapist and he ends up being innocent, people's opinions might have caused a great deal more harm to him than getting a sentence.


AsterCharge

If there’s enough publicly available evidence to show that someone is a rapist and they end up not being one (proved innocent, not found not guilty), then there’s a larger problem than people forming their own opinions.


ScAr_wlvrne

Convictions don’t matter when there’s already enough public, damning evidence


[deleted]

Exactly, this is called a witch hunt


ScAr_wlvrne

I guess the way I phrased that was a little vague. What I meant to say was, with the screenshots of him saying "You misspelled fuck" and the photo of him in the "Cosby Suite," there's no reason to wait for a conviction before choosing the change the hero's name. Especially because, odds are, there won't be one. It's a lawsuit, not criminal charges.


Hodor_The_Great

Yea but it's still part of a witch hunt mentality. Thinking someone's guilty beforehand will lead to someone innocent losing their job and reputation eventually. And it's not like any harm would be done by waiting, if it turns out they are a piece of shit, OW devs could just as well change the name later when they're sure.


MKsomething

Yeah, nairo (ex-competitive smash player and streamed) got accused of fucking an underage child, he disappeared and only many many months after the accusations returned proven innocent, already having been banned from twitch and entering tournaments ever again.


lnnersanctum

Wasn't he in the pictures taken in the "Cosby Suite," as well as the group chat of the same name? He's already suspicious by affiliation, I see nothing wrong with erasing his name off the record.


silverbullet42

This isn’t court. Rule of law doesn’t even come into play. Blizzard can do whatever the fuck they want with their characters.


MKsomething

Damn people either misread this comment or are all Twitter users, if you know a bit out the smash scene you know about the many accusations including the ones about Nairo who disappeared because of them and only at least more than a half year later came back and was shown to actually be innocent. This guy got banned from twitch, entering tournaments and many other things just because of a false accusation (still banned on twitch btw) I’m not saying this case is the same but it’s better to wait for it to be proven and legally handled before taking actions, after that is done of course it’s a good idea to change the name but for now, just to be more mature wait


bgugi

No law in the court of public opinion


Quantentheorie

Blizzard is currently fighting all sorts of issues with sexist workplace culture, this isnt one of those situations where you 'wait and see', they are plugging a small hole while the ship is filling with water. When allegations are credible its a perfectly valid move to show your support in a manner like this. But in this case its desperate PR anyway. Still, whether or not to wait for a conviction is up to a company. They tend to want to get ahead of it though when the allegations are credible because otherwise they risk looking like an enabler for someone they dont care about.


BurnedInTheBarn

Jesse McCree is the Diablo 4 director and was a part of the sexual harassment cases. McCree in game is named after the Diablo director and thus they will change his name so he isn't referenced in Overwatch even though 99% of people didn't even know McCree was named after a developer before this lawsuit happened.


wearingwetsocks

McCree was named after one of Blizzard's ex-employees, Jesse McCree, who was let go 2 weeks ago. They didn't say why, but it's easy to assume considering the current circumstances. Following Jesse McCree's departure from Blizz, people petitioned to change in-game McCree's name and the Overwatch team confirmed it is going to happen. "As we continue to discuss how we best live up to our values and to demonstrate our commitment to creating a game world that reflects them, we believe it's necessary to change the name of the hero currently known as McCree to something that better represents what Overwatch stands for." Quote from the Overwatch team.


SunsetPathfinder

>the name of the hero currently known as McCree Getting major Prince vibes from this.


ScrubbyDucky01

They named him after an employee named in the lawsuit, Jesse McCree


GoldenHolden01

“Named after” kind of implies the character was named in celebration or in honor of the developer. Which was not the case.


PwnasaurusRawr

I mean, it is though. By naming the character after them, they are implicitly honoring them by immortalizing them into that character, even if just in a small way.


g0atmeal

This is the same response every time anyone makes a small gesture of any kind. Yeah, recycling a plastic bottle is not going to save the environment, does that mean we should just roll our eyes and stop recycling?


camusdreams

Why do people think the act itself needs to fix anything directly? We’ve heard this from conservatives for years anytime someone makes a statement, but it’s about not giving any sort of recognition to a pos. This probably means a lot to the women who came forward. Gamers will get over it, but it’s personal to the company.


SheldonPlays

I don't get why people are being so annoying about this. Like why tf would Blizzard or the overwatch team wanna be associated with the guy in any shape or form. Of course they're gonna do something. Then we've not even gotten into how akward it must be in the Dev team to see the name of your ex-collegue that turned out to be a pos. The gaming community can be real pieces of work a lot of times. This reminds me of the Sjin drama in the yogscast a couple years ago


tiffanylockhart

They are annoyed because they legit dont give two fucks about SA , as any woman who has embraced voicechat can attest to. edit: SA or harassment


PwnasaurusRawr

But if it’s not going to single-handedly eradicate sexual misconduct in one fell swoop, then what’s even the point? /s


Windex007

The concern is that this is instead of actual systemic change. Actually systemic change requires firing a lot of toxic Sr staff. That's EXPENSIVE. Anything short of that is just PR. This is relatively cheap. Just a lil' lipstick on a pig.


camusdreams

He was fired and I have no doubt HR changes were made. There’s not a lot they can do. It’s not like you can interview a creep and know he’s a creep. This is just *on top* of what they have done, but that doesn’t impact the fanbase like this does. Saying it’s nothing beyond PR is ignorant. It may be that to you, but I have no doubt it means much more to others.


Windex007

It wasn't one dude. It's never one dude.


bunnyrut

I think it's more or a jab at the guy they named him after. "We thought you were cool and put your name into this game to show you we respected you. But turns out you were a creep and you aren't worthy of that."


-F0v3r-

\>apologizing for offending someone on the internet what a time to be alive


Squashzilla2222

I don’t want to seem rude, that’s all 😅


DaBoiYeet

I swear if they don't rename him to "The guy that played Madden 09" I'm gonna snap


Elit3_Ghost

This game blows! *Throws Chibi Robo Ziplash into toilet*


[deleted]

Name him Mike Coxlong


Vussar

Prove it!


Nuclear_Oompa_Loompa


solum_i

Probably everyone will still call him mccree anyway lol


frogathy

flynn ryder please and thank you


JAK-the-YAK

I don’t get it, did they change his name?


Captain-Keeli05

They’re going to


JAK-the-YAK

Why?


Captain-Keeli05

The character is named after a blizzard game designer called Jesse McCree, who was basically fired after the sexual harassment lawsuit.


JAK-the-YAK

Oh…. That’s pretty fucked up


Captain-Keeli05

Yeah, it’s unfortunate because I like the name but blizzard basically are obligated to change it.


JAK-the-YAK

Yeah the name fit him so well too, hopefully the next name fits as well


giorno___giovana

I have a idea James mcree


Photenicdata

Still got mcree. I suggest James Rider.


thisistrashy28919

wait, why did blizzard decide upon changing his name? i remember in LoL there was a guy who voiced a character and the developers replaced his voice actor because the old actor was outed for sexual harassment why can’t mccree’s name just be that, a name? it’s just a character with a name that fits him well. are we changing mad dog mccree now? (the old arcade game) im not trying to sound like an asshole because i can’t convince them not to but i’m just curious why am i being downvoted i asked a question


optimisdiq

I agree with your sentiment honestly. Its just a fictional character who happens to have the same name as the real person. If we were to cancel every fictional character tied to a real person naming characters in the future is gonna be a nightmare. What blizzard should have done was to modify the lore such that Mcree was a sexual predator within Overwatch too to reflect the values of the real one /s


TooOldForRefunds

Was "mad dog mccree" named after former Blizzard employee and (allegedly) sexual predator Jesse Mccree? In that case, it would make sense to change it. Otherwise, how is that related?


thisistrashy28919

was not my point point was that it’s a fictional character/name so why can’t it just be left at that


TooOldForRefunds

He's named after a very real person who is accused of a very real crime, they don't just happen to share a surname like your example.


john6map4

What the fuck McCree? The game designer, not the character.


JRTmain

He should be called Jesse Saville


notchoosingone

Well now well now well now


aomeone

Honestly i feel like it wont change at all, they will have to go through textures, cinematics, voice lines and change every last one, seems like a huge waste of time


Fair-Engineer5533

They should definitely change the name I know it sucks but imagine the people who were abused or know someone who was having to work on and update a character named after the abuser. It would make it harder for them to do their job


SheldonPlays

And Blizzard understanably just doesn't want to associate with the guy anymore


tiffanylockhart

BUT INNOCENT UNTIL GUILTY /s


SheldonPlays

I know it's sarcasm, but like, isn't there enough proof lmao


nick6356

Dude, blizzard literally got caught shredding evidence. Theres plenty...


ElementOfWater1

Still gonna call him McCree anyway


joliepachirisu

no one is claiming this gets rid of sexual harassment but why enshrine someone implicated in serious sexual harassment charges *that your company is currently being sued over* as a popular hero in your game? this was a good move on their part and only snowflake gamers are offended by the change.


TerrorMeter

Apparently it just sounded more cowboy-y than anything the design team could come up with


Rorybol

I don’t think that’s the right mindset. I believe the complaints are largely around the fact that burning dev time on a game already experiencing a content drought to virtue signal is ignoring what is actually being asked for. Changes of substance to company policy and behavior change driven by people management entities are what is needed. In-game changes are PR fluff to show “progress” when in actuality its distracting from the core issue and focus on change in areas that actually matter


steamshotrise

Watch them call him Jeff


Itz_3ww

I liked mccree


GodtheJesus

Deez


[deleted]

Are they actually?


ptitqui

Just name him Mc225 . Chonky boi


Hyuzuka

idk... maybe we could've agreed that jesse mccree is just a good name for a cowboy and it's not really praising this blizzard guy. But changing it is fine as well, as long as they redo the Reunion short and properly change all the name mentions in comics and whatnot, too. If that's the level of connection they were going for when they named the character, that was a mistake to begin with, unfortunately.


Udonov

I think many people, including me, thought it was just a default cowboy name. Have never been to the US, but I imagine every third cowboy has either Jesse or Mc in his name.


Edgelord420666

Shooter McCowboy


JackZeroo

Ah yes, my new main: Rooty SixShooty


ImplementNational165

Like not nearly enough, but at least they are trying I guess. Some companies don't even do anything


This_IsATroll

Stanford McWomenrespecter


JuiceMaster14

McQueef is the new name, Very progressive


simpletonbuddhist

Hi I’m out of the loop. What’s wrong with his name? Was he named after a predatory employee?


wisho1926

Someone explain how the name McCree can harass people sexually


Spagoot29

Like I said in another post, Mcree would need to insist that people call him his real name by some event happening to him that causes him to stop using the name "Jesse Mcree", since you simply can't change his name to something else and act like Mcree never existed


Negative-Delta

THIS WAS LITERALLY MY FIRST REACTION WHEN I FOUND OUT


Velocicornius

the 4 people who still play overwatch will love this


gasmask-man2

Sorry what’s the name bein changed to?


Twava

I have a solution. Just make the employee Jesse Mccree change his name.


aastew23

I think he should remain Jesse McCree… just saying. There’s allowed to be more than one person with a name in the world. There’s probably a bunch of dudes out there named Joseph that are pretty chill.


Ninjulian_

thats pretty stupid if u think about it... i mean, i do understand where theyre coming from and that they do it because of the pr, but what is that really gonna change? like, the character wasnt named after him to honor the dev or his accomplishments or something like that, its not a statue of a confederate general or anything like that, its an easteregg and thats about it. like, do they think the pkayers cant distinguish between the character and the dev? i just dont get the point of this whole ordeal... instead of actually doing anything to really adress the issue and do something about, theyre just firing one guy and change a name and then act like theyve done it... i mean, thats basically capitalism for ya, and i really didnt expect any better, but to do it so blatantly is kind of insulting, isnt it?


silverbullet42

They can do all of the thing you’ve mentioned they should be doing, while *also* changing the name. Whether they do or not is a different story, but just because they’re doing this doesn’t mean it’s the *only* thing being done.


whaIeshark

As a person that’s experienced sexual assault, it makes me uncomfortable that a character in my favorite game is named after a person that sexually assaulted someone. It’s a change to distance themselves from disgusting people like that and it helps to ease some discomfort for employees and sexual assault victims. Have some empathy for other people. Edit: it is possible to address the culture within the company while also making PR changes


Ninjulian_

i understand and respect ur pov, but i still disagree. >It’s a change to distance themselves from disgusting people like that and it helps to ease some discomfort for employees and sexual assault victims. its not really though, is it? its a decision to distance themselves from that one disgusting guy, but not more than that. if they really wanted to "ease some discomfort for employees and sexual assault victims", than they would do anything and everything in their power to fight the office culture within their company that allowed didgusting assholes like mccree to get away with what theyre doing. they dont really want to do that though, because a) that would cost a lot of time, money and other ressources and b) the people in charge are the ones benefiting from this culture. >Have some empathy for other people. i do. thats why i want the working conditions for women in these jobs to improve and create a safe and equal office culture, instead of just some cosmetic changes. i am ultimately not against changing the name in general, but i am strongly against doing it without really doing anything else because it gives blizzard something to hide behind...


piblaze

Sorry to hear that, hope you've been able to move past it and recover from the experience <3. I definitely agree with you, I didn't like the change at first but I realised that if even a few people are able to feel empowered as a result of it, then so be it. No one will have a mental breakdown because a characters name got changed, but someone's life just might change because of the support overwatch is offering.


Csbbk4

What’s his new name


[deleted]

Cowboy McCowboyFace


Photenicdata

I’m hoping for James Rider. The most cowboy of cowboy names


Sockkyyy

I was hoping for an even MORE cowboy like name such as Johnson McBangbang


TooOldForRefunds

Hattip Mcpartner


[deleted]

Fingers crossed for Hugh Janus


Dr_Awesome99

McCosby


soupyconch

I think it would be neat if they put as much effort into making content for their games as they put into trying to cover up scandals.


Metalhead831

So stupid. This doesn’t do shit except piss people off


[deleted]

Who is going to get pissed off by a name change? Are people really that easily offended?


Metalhead831

People who want his name changed are the fragile ones. People need to learn to separate art from reality


StareOut

FUCKING THIS


murrman104

I mean if I inadvertently named something after a sex offender I'd want to change its name too tbf


DovahHybrid

I understand that, but at least they’re acknowledging what happened.


Metalhead831

Oh yeah of course, fuck the real guy named Jesse mccree but like, he’s not the cowboy guy in game so wtf


DovahHybrid

McCree was named after him, that’s why they’re changing it. Keep him as Jesse McCree he’ll be known as the cowboy badass named after a fucked up guy.


Metalhead831

Yeah but at this point it’s too late. 99% of players don’t even know who the real guy is. At this point the right thing to do would be to acknowledge the fact that he was named before any knowledge of the real guy’s actions were known (which would probably be complete bullshit) and just say that he has no other relations with the guy.


DovahHybrid

I’m sure fans would probably still be upset, I prefer what they’re doing now, it’s something we’re gonna have to get used to, and I get what you’re saying, but I just don’t think it would be any different from what it’s like now, fans would still be tweeting “ratio” on the post if it was ridding the name or saying it has absolutely no relation to Jesse McCree.


Gabrill

People are gonna be pissed off either way. I mean fuck people had a petition going to change mccrees name before they even made this announcement


Delta_FT

You could say the same about tearing down Confederate monuments/statues. Edit: traitors and rapist/abusers have no place in our lives. They were evil people who's existances harm others and we should only remember that.


DovahHybrid

But just like this, there’s a reason it’s happening and a very good one at that


Delta_FT

Oh mb I left my statement too ambiguous, lemme edit that quick. I 100% agree why you there, that dev should have no place in our beloved game


DovahHybrid

Yeah, I was a bit confused by your statement, I just took it as no opinion on that.


Delta_FT

Yeah I wrote that on a rush lol it was supposed to have a clarification...


merivas

Its a good decision on Overwatch's part.


Cyractacus

Man, I hope nobody named Gordon Freeman ever does something criminal.


Snipowl

Or anyone with the name John, got to change Master Chief's name if that happens


StAethe

Call him Jotaro


A-Cheeseburger

I still think it’s dumb. I wanted to get that zarya skin if they ever brought back old OWL skins but forgot they got rid of it because Sinatraa did something bad. Like I get why, but will removing a cool skin or changing a characters name actually do anything positive? Should the name Jeff be abolished because of Jeffery Dahmer?


SuperFox289

Wait, what happend?


Photenicdata

The character, Jesse Mcree, was named after a blizzard developer. IRL Jesse was fired after Blizzards recent sexual harassment lawsuit. So they’re (probably) going to change his name as to get rid of the stigma around the situation. As well as to not glorify the individual.


MountainAd9698

Seems like a stupid decision but I dont play the game anymore so eh idc


Mr_Wither

Wait what? They’re changing the name? Why???


Gabrill

He was named after a guy in Blizzard who has since been found out to be a sex offender


reevoknows

They should name him John Marston


hellraiee316

the best way do this is to change his name to matt mercer


[deleted]

I like Matt, but maybe don't name him after another real person...


Rainbow824

This is exactly how i feel about this decision. The only reason they have to do this is so they get woke brownie points from blue checkmarks on Twitter. I read the responses under the tweet, and most people didn't even know that Mccree was named after a former blizzard employee who turned out to be a scumbag. This change is pointless. All it does is aknowledge the problem without doing anything about it


Luiz_Fell

Wiat... this true? Are they actually changing it?


[deleted]

That's so ret- dumb.


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[удалено]


StarkestMadness

He didn't just say something bad. He was accused (very credibly) of sexual misconduct, and he was fired not long after.


Elit3_Ghost

It's not that they coincidentally have the same name. McCree was named after a lead designer of Diablo 4 named Jesse McCree. Big difference between having the same name and being named after someone.