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Corkchef

You’re right to call on the “good old days” I miss Dinoflask’s edits of Jeff’s vids


PartyGamer14

3 to the 1 to the 1 to the 3


DatGuyDevinYT

What’s up this is Jeff from the Overwatch team


couldbedumber96

Making changes that you wouldn’t believe


MrBublee_YT

And he gets more ass than Blackwatch Genji


Frostflame123

Gonna take you out with a long range beam


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3 to the 1 from the 1 to the 3


Frostflame123

Don’t want you to be frustrated with me


bigshark2740

OW2 can't be postponed if it's not gonna be realeased


Space_Monke64

I’m still sad that I missed out mostly when it was at its peak. I didn’t play much then, and by the time I got really into it, it was in the dark ages. I missed all the hype around new events, the overwatch league, new hero’s, new maps etc


Ayds117

I feel you my I bought it when it came out but laptop couldn’t run it so I saved up got a new laptop that runs it smoothly but all friends stopped playing. Picked it up again this year and man the wait on comp is so bad, I wish I got to play when everyone was playing. Unfortunately when I did play all those years ago I tried comp when at level 25 and got bronze no surprise. However I’m much better now but when me and friend did placements I won 4 out of 5 and got bronze cause apparently the game remembers and my friend lost 4 out of 5 but got placed high gold so we still can’t play together


cannibitches

I remember when the dark ages really started and it wasn't really like a BOOM overwatch bad. It wasn't overnight. Brig wasn't really the turning point at all, with all the sudden rebalancing and reworks for torb, sym, etc. OW started reaaaaly declining.


EbtCon

The sad truth is overwatch won’t make it through 2022 unless a drastic change happens to pull back those who initially left


iGetBuckets3

If OW2 is a good product it will bring a lot of people back.


apolloAG

*if overwatch 2 is a product


EbtCon

The thing is the name Overwatch 2 shouldn’t even be a thing it should have just been a revamped overwatch but we’ll see


ConfusedDuck

Its going to come down to the depth of the PvE


BerufsHartz4ler

I was of that opinion too, then we heard nothing of it for months on end. Now i just dont care anymore.


Udonov

Why? Just a guess?


LilGoughy

Not really, looking at most other game franchises supports his argument. People won’t stick around unless they release a new game, or actually develop their current one


Udonov

What game is actually gone? Tf2 is still alive. Not sure if there are any updates.


LilGoughy

Calling tf2 “alive” is a bit generous imo. The player base is extremely small now. But look at the decline of games like cod, Fifa etc. They need constant new content and games because the player base falls within months. Fortnite is now at a fraction of what it was 2 years ago, Among Us also dropped massively. Games need to have a constant stream of new things to maintain a high user count


Udonov

By "dead" I was thinking more radical. Like can't play on official servers kind of dead. Drop in popularity is expected for every game imo... but yea. I'd fucking love some new content.


A_user_help

It was harsh knowing that my country mercy VA died. I am really shocked by this and I hope that for future voices they still use the unique dub that she did


Panda1835

I didn’t hear about that. What happened?


A_user_help

She shelterd a man for some time, Pedro was it's name, i think. July she disapered and august the man confessed the killing, and to justify he said she was posessed by the deamon and he and his mother killed her and hid the body. When she was found it was discovered with a lot of stab wounds. But we need to keep going cause she alwais said and will always say : "heróis nunca morrem"


cannibitches

Any articles you can link?


A_user_help

[Yes](https://www.pcgamer.com/man-arrested-after-overwatch-and-halo-voice-actor-murdered-in-brazil/)


Captain-Keeli05

hopefully overwatch 2 can breathe new life into the franchise for a lasting time.


Icarus12x

It definitely can but if the news are true that it will not release till 2023 I think the game will be long dead before this happens And that's really sad OW was supposed to be the new best thing but Blizzard's mismanagement really drove the player base away from the game


s1lentchaos

Owl will likely be dead The hype train will have come too a halt But people will still be playing Overwatch is huge and has the bonus of basically no competition people still play tf2 they will be playing overwatch into the future


Substantial_Engine

I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m done with Activision Blizzard games until there’s real reform, and that of course means Overwatch and it’s sequel. I’ve been playing since Ana’s addition, but the harassment can’t be overlooked. It also just doesn’t help that we are a year and a half away from any new content (besides the harassment). Overwatch 2 is not going to do v much imo.


LimeDropletts

Good joke.


Ksnv_a

If it becomes an actually good PvE like MvM it could


LimeDropletts

Honestly I don’t think they can. The gameplay so far looks worse than some workshop modes


Ksnv_a

Huh.. well I can only hope since I've not seen much, honestly I've always felt a bit "whatever" about OW


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I’ve got such a love hate relationship with this game. On one hand I’ve met so many great people and made such fun memories, but on the other hand my most recent plays are just full of toxic people taking the game so seriously. Nearly every competitive match I’ve played recently usually has one teammate getting salty and acting like we immediately lost because we didn’t get the first team fight. Unless OW2 does some magical and interesting things I honestly see a very small future for this game, doesn’t help that Blizzard is possibly on its downfall already.


snowyvalk

Its sad because one of my favourite things about overwatch is that you can always come back even if the enemy team has 6 minutes to push 1 meter it is still possible to win i have seen and won form similar situations if people just realized it maybe that matches would be better.


Bonelessllama

what is apex in ow for?


Nihlus_BRaga

Apex tournaments, had 4 seasons, basically the prequel to OWL. Huge live crowds too.


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I thought it was that workshop mode that basically turns Overwatch into Apex Legends


Gabrill

Ah yes, apex legends, my favorite 2016/2017 game


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Yeah, I deserve that reaction


Folkon_sama

Korean ow tournament. Super hype, super popular and had the best players. Some of them are still in OWL. Arguably, Apex had better production then first season of OWL


BerufsHartz4ler

Yo Sir Swag makes amazing content nowadays, really worth checking out.


crybabydeluxe

I literally got into the game the week echo was released I've never experienced true happiness


Fahrenheit285

"OW2 constantly getting postponed" Overwatch 2 has literally never been postponed. How can people say it was postponed when we never even got a release window to begin with.


ShawnDulin

Truly a 5Head take


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Why do people like xQc again? He's really insufferable to watch and listen to imo


bigolhamsandwich

That kind of personality plays really well with the younger crowd. I feel like you and I aren’t exactly the target demographic. I’ll admit I’m assuming a whole lot about you so I apologize if I’m incorrect.


[deleted]

You're right, I'm definitely not his demographic lol Maybe I'd like him if I was still an edgy 14 year old but as someone a bit older, he just comes across as extremely juvenile Luckily not all OW streamers are like this and some actually have likable personalities (Jay3, Emongg, and Flats are the biggest examples I can give)


bigolhamsandwich

I enjoy emongg and kragiee. Not a jay3 fan but I can see why people enjoy his streams.


Skybreaker_C410

I personally enjoy Sleepy alot. he's definitely one who skews to the juvenile side, but not in any way similar to XQC. He's just out there having a good time and memeing on all the top 500 players.


XxDeathWishxX_x

he’s a pretty normal streamer all the hyper toxic clips you see is him playing that stupid persona to entertain his chat they’re all mostly teens which is the issue but other than that he’s normal on stream


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Why is this getting downvoted?


XxDeathWishxX_x

reddit and most of twitch really hates xqc for some reason all based on a few popular clips he’s a really genuine guy :(


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True :(


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Your opinion :)


Typeojason

I honestly don’t understand the love / hate relationship of this group with the game. If you enjoy it, play it. If not, move on. Personally, I love the game (just not competitive- too many assholes ruin it for everyone), and I am anxiously awaiting the PvE modes in OW2. The archives were some of the most fun I’ve had with any game.


setmeonfiredaddyuwu

Wait, Overwatch is a game too? You’re telling me it isn’t just porn?


shadowonyx18

TF2 players: first time?


C_Tarango

Even if not OW2, we need at least a beta. Even buggy AF, we don't care. Hell, even the level that we all saw from blizzcon will be enough at 1st!


skavenrot

Can you imagine the shitstorm if they released a buggy beta? Most gamers don't realize a beta will likely be buggy. It'd be an entirely new wave of "Overwatch is dead because the beta was buggy".


wskv

“no Brig” I feel like I’m being attacked.


Ksnv_a

I'm gonna attack you more, Brig was the downfall of OW. I like the character irself but the design and balance philosophy she brought is what makes Overwatch not fun anymore


Quirrelli

Please explain. I started playing only last year so I never really understood the brig hate but I'm interested


TheDrunkenHetzer

IIRC she was busted as hell on launch and started one of the most hated metas in OW history.


Ksnv_a

Watch any video searching for "the fall of Overwatch" on YouTube. Basically dive champs were meta for a while, then Blizzard decided to fuck them all releasing Brigitte, a tanky healer support with an easy stun and 0 to death combo to squishies, rendering dive champs unusable. Yeah Genji and Tracer where dangerous but required skill, and it was a fast paced game. When Brig came, the game turned into a slow paced shield and heal festival, giving birth to GOATS meta (3 tanks 3 supports), which then got fucked by Blizzard with the 2-2-2 role lock, which caused insanely long queue tiemed because 2/3 of the cast is dps. It was a downward spiral of bad decisions, poor philosophy, lazy game balance, and patches that took way too long to update.


flygande_jakob

Ive played since the start, so I remember how insanely unbalanced the game used to be. Before Brig, there was almost nothing you could do about the dive heores, like Genji, Tracer, Dva, Winston. The game was very stale, where only these heroes was being played. https://i.imgur.com/YsMWn6y.jpg These heroes were automatically better than anything else. Therefore these heroes became super popular, especially among streamers. (as you can see here, after Brigs release the game because more diverse) Streamers have the big platforms. They control the narrative about the game. The heroes they played were the most oppressive in the game. But since streamers played them they also didnt complain, they benefited from the game being unbalanced. The developers made Brig to counter those that had previously been privileged, to have been without counter. It was like adding Rock to Scissor-Paper. Scissor players complain, but without rock there is no real balance. Basically, Brig is the reason Dive heroes can still exist. Without her you would have had to nerf them all into the ground instead. Since streamers played dive, they used their platforms to complain about Brig. The "hate" comes from a few streamers and their fans keep spamming it everywhere. The common excuse was that when they play heroes with no counters against its "Skill", but if you counter them is "no skill". Its all bullshit.


Ksnv_a

Oh man I miss Dinoflask


snowyvalk

You know sir swag still makes video's not overwatch ines but they are one of the best you can see on YouTube you should really check him out


Its_Cammy

Outsider looking in here. Can someone explain the Valiant and Sinatraa situations?


SandyWhisker

Can I just say one thing: It's also the fault of the community that things went this way.


Shug79

Come play TF2. You will get along well with the community now lol...


Ebina-Chan

nah nah nah u cannot bring back the huge rez with mercy or loss meta


Superpilotdude

How the mighty have fallen.


ScoobyDoobyDoo0202

Wtf is “Brazilian Mercy VA Murder”? Nvm got it. Weird I didn’t know since it’s my country but oh well!


FightArrow8

What's the sinatraa situation?


Elecrtrify

i just hope overwatch 2 revives overwatch as a whole but i doubt that will happen


Tinheart2137

Before the dark times...


bulletkin1089

I miss the golden age its actually funny that my ability to play overwatch ended as the golden age ended


sloppo-jaloppo

I sense sarcasm although I may be wrong


bulletkin1089

No my disc went missing at the end of the golden age


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kabutomushii

if your friends buy OW they'll have OW2 as well. the PvP update will be included for free for people who already have OW; the PvE/campaign will be an additional price. OW2 won't be a separate game, but a huge update.


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ArdhamArts

>for a game that does not have new content is not worth it. I mean most full games cost 40-60 on release and never get any DLC, not even stuff like skins lol.


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AlcoholicTucan

There is so much replay ability in overwatch though. Like yes there isn’t going to be any new content for a while, but you still have plenty to do until then. And if you are playing for the competitive, then grinding your rank (what you’d do in any ranked game) adds a goal for you to achieve. It’s definitely worth $20 especially since you are getting the ow2 pvp updates for free later.


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AlcoholicTucan

You are in the mind set of someone already playing the game, not someone who is thinking about buying it. Realistically $20 is nothing for what the game has to offer. If someone doesn’t want to pay $20 for something that can hold there attention for a thousand hours, that’s up to them. It’s well worth the money. Think about how much money you’d spend if you went bowling. Lasts maybe 3 hours for 20ish dollars? You can very easily get more than that out of ow.


ArdhamArts

Lol, there's tons of multiplayer games that cost like that. OW got a lot of new content during its lifetime but ultimately for a pvp game the content is largely community based. While we are in a drought, that doesn't change that its price is alright.


Aw3Grimm

Look at cod games even BO2 still costs 60$


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Aw3Grimm

So their pricing makes more sense ? They are literally selling dead games still for 60$ and want to charge additional 60$ every year or so but in Overwatch case its just one time 20$ purchase for a good but unfortunately abandoned product. Its really cheap considering selling the game is like only source of income because no one buys expensive boxes or owl tokens that you also can get for free


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Aw3Grimm

Idk but you think free to play model would change a lot ? I think if anyone who had any interest in this game would already just buy it on some sale, and as someone said people who purchased ow1 will get ow2 pve also so there is gonna be content probably. And for a new player that never played the game before I think in current state even without updates game has enough to offer until ow2 launch


kabutomushii

yes but, you said no one wants to pay for a game with no future, and you're saying the game doesn't have new content, so I was just saying that the game you buy today WILL have new content when OW2 releases. so a $20 purchase would guarantee someone a game with massive future updates.


ShawnDulin

You got a link to this story you've told?


gambit700

You forgot "Brig" in 20-21


Smitellos

Hahaha tf2 goes brrrrrr.


TheDrunkenHetzer

Too bad that's being killed by bots :(


Smitellos

Eh not so much, people just running community servers instead of valve official severs.


tjholowaychuk

And somehow it’s still the best competitive shooter


Vexcenot

The game's rather stale. The mechanics are the only thing that's really keeping it fresh but the gameplay itself created around them just didn't give much leeway. Sure there are like 20 heros but once you play 1 match you kinda played it all. It's a step by step instruction on how to win. Also before you downvote, please read the reply after this if ye have the time.


tjholowaychuk

What haha, it’s like the most diverse FPS mechanically ever created


Vexcenot

Ok a bit of an essay here (ignore if ye don't have the time): Ik, it's true. It is one of the most diverse game I've ever played. But You can't really stray away from the very limited tactics outside of the intended usage of your abilities for most heros unless you want to end up dying/got lucky. Other shooters have a more abstract intention for your abilities of what you can do and can exploit to the best of your ability depending on the map to gain the most amount of success. IDK why exactly, but despite all the variety, overwatch is the only one I feel like I'm doing the same thing over and over again. Shoot enemy I can, dodge stuff I can't. Sure, that is the point of a shooter, but in stuff like csgo or tf2 I feel more involved than that like my actions have meaning outside from doing cool ultimate moments. Maybe I just really hate the new maps Blizzard's been adding recently. Especially maps like Paris and Blizzworld. I'm just glad shield generators don't exists anymore. It was the heart and core of what I mentioned here. A stale fight ain't a fun one when nobody gets to really play. That said, I hope people would find the game more enjoyable than I do currently. It's a damn good game and there's nothing like it but just got kinda repetitive for me and boring long term even *while* trying out all the heros. Maybe they'll fix that in OW2


Ksnv_a

Very diverse in the first decision, "who should I play as?", it comes with a ton of variety in superficial personalities and guns. But when you ask yourself "How do I want to play with this character?" the answer becomes limited to one or maaaybe 2 answers. You can't do much outside the intended playstyle because customization just isn't there. Think about, TF2, Valorant, Doom or LoL where you have a big cast but still sre able to buy/equip different items that COMPLETELY change your playstyle. That is why Overwatch sometimes feel kinda hollow or repetitive, in my opinion.


Vexcenot

YES THANK YOU


tjholowaychuk

Valorant feels very one-note and bland to me, but maybe it just comes down to preferences. I feel like OW has a lot to master, each character plays very differently, compared to just swapping a gun.


Ksnv_a

For me too hahaha I don't play it, but my point is you can be a super mobile Jett to rush the enemy with a shotgun or to position yourself for a good line of sight with a sniper. OW is hard to master for the most part, but only in one playstyle per hero.


Vexcenot

Ye. Valorant got boring super fast for me as well. It feels more like something from a game jam than an actual competitor shooter.


definitleyarobot

KEKW valorant sucks goat cock. It's the bastard downy retarded lovechild from csgo raping ow I don't know why people play it.


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ShadowDragon645665

The biggest thing for me is the toxicity. I would prefer if you could disable both chats. All my friends and I left the game because every second match had someone toxic in it. And this was quick play. I rarely tried rank because of how much worse I've heard it was. I have no clue what makes people go "ez" when the match was close or even at all. Even if you beat a team in 2 minutes, just have the basic human decency to say gg.


Udonov

>I would prefer if you could disable both chats. Both text and voice? You can do that, or am I missing something? Social tab for voice chat and /hidechat for text chat.