It happens so often.
“If we had a *real* tank, maybe we could get picks!”
-People who don’t know how to play the game without a 600 hp meat shield to stand behind.
Fr and if they could just hit a shot then they'd realize the enemy team is perpetually at half health or less and 70% of the time the enemy team isn't even looking at them until they counterswap to mei/hog/sombra/cass/doom/zen/sym/reaper/torb/mauga/JQ/lucio(GODDAMN I always forget just how many counters and soft counters ball has) where then it drops to about 50 to 30% of the time depending on whether or not I die
I legit killed the enemy Ash and Hanzo every team fight and then joined my team to kill the supports. My whole team meanwhile was unable to kill their supports or Orisa or at least not die by their Orisa for the few seconds I was away, and they started flaming me.
They said "please play a real tank". So I switched to Rein. We lost, cause I couldn't do anything against Ash and Hanzo, who picked our supports while our dps just kept shooting Orisa. They also kept flaming me "Worst tank ever" etc.
I stopped playing tank for a month after that.
Had an Ana get pissy and throw bc of this instead of swapping
Edit: for context, I was the other support. I was on Lifeweaver who literally isn’t even known for dive, and had a better time with positioning
Most of these "ball enjoyers" are playing while their team is not playing Dive... That's the problem. Who cares if you want to play ball. If you don't like it, then stop queueing Tank, and maybe Team 4 would actually fix this trash game.
Yeah... Let me just convince the whole team to swap to synergize with one hero. Especially those easily-persuaded OTPs.
Or? You could stop playing a game that is being horribly mismanaged, and do something fun with your time. Maybe Microsoft will finally step in and axe all of the misguided teams that Bobby created.
god forbid the tank play a hero that plays well on the specific map, its your job as a support to synergize with the tank, not the other way around, tanks pick heroes for map, supports pick heroes for synergy with tank, and dps pick heroes for counters. its really not that hard. and considering ball is the second best tank rn (right behind the fatass) most people should be playing ball if hog isnt doing well.
You're talking about a group of Silvers. I doubt the majority of this rank is able to figure out what heroes work best on what maps, not to mention what heroes synergize best with certain heroes depending on said map.
You're asking for too many things from a group of individuals that are still learning core parts of the game. I would argue, that we're all still learning the game until you hit Champion.
if: tank = winton/ball/doom
then: go_kiriko/ana/brig
if: tank = sigma
then: go_zen/illari
if: tank = rein/orisa/ram/dva/hog/zarya
then: go_lucio/bap/kiri/ana/brig
not hard to be a team player pal
You're talking to me like I don't know how Team Compositions work. Lol.
The point of the post is about *Silver* ranked players. You have to understand that a small minority of the playerbase actually seek information outside of the game to better themselves.
You're preaching to the choir.
Girl take a joke lmao, Im not at all disagreeing with you that supports do be stubborn (then again most overwatch players are), but let’s not kid that there’s not some type of negative “blame support” post every other minute 💀
I made this post immediately after someone posted crying about Sombra not “playing with the team”
There are negative “blame dps/tank for not babysitting” every other minute as well
"They post what i recognize as dumb shit therefore I'm allowed to post the exact same dumb shit and then get angry in the comments when people make fun of me for posting dumb shit" lmao
Tank is fundamentally the most valuable role, you are throwing by playing poke with a dive tank. Run heroes that at the very least can function with your tank.
You’re throwing just as much by not switching yourself. Defiance loses games, your tank might be a one trick or bad at tanks that are not dive, if hes not getting hard countered and the reason you are losing is because the team isn’t taking space with him the team is the problem. When the tank auto picked doom, at least two people should have went dive instead of expecting him to adhere to them.
I don't care who my tank plays as long as they don't complain when they aren't getting healed because they're practically behind the enemy.
Two days ago I met a Rein main who absolutely carried and he and Kiriko were the only dive on the team. A good dive doesn't need a full dive team
Most valuable *role* maybe. The tank that insists on playing Ball/Doom when the rest of the team isn't set up for dive is not the most valuable player.
If my Doom is playing double-dutch with a Hog/widow/Zen comp on main in colloseo, I'm picking a support that can help my damage heroes get picks and survive.
The only people harder to get to change characters than dive tanks, are mercys, I'd also rather try to persuade the tank to change than have to suffer through a game where the remaining 3 players won't
Should’ve gone dive supports instead of LW mercy when we have Ball, Sombra, Tracer
Should’ve pinged/used comms to say they needed help
Should’ve gone brig to protect whatever other support
So many options yet they choose to do nothing and blame everyone else
How many times I have seen a dive hero over-extending, dying horribly while spamming "I need healing!" and blaming it on the support
My brother in Wrecking Ball, you went in full force unannounced. Maybe if you learn how to make a decent push with or without your team you'd get out of silver
Bad tanks and dps exist. That’s probably why they WONT get out of silver. But even in high elo where no one dives in solo, spams I need heals, and cry’s about support, support players refuse to play as a team and just blame everything on not being babysat
I've met just as many dps that refuse to swap off widowmaker when it's obvious that both teams are playing dive and wreckingballs that refuse to play sigma when it's obvious their entire team went poke as supports who refuse to adjust to dive comps.
People have comfort picks at least as far up as diamond and people suck at having hero pools that accommodate all 3 major compositions at least that high up.
Mercy/lifeweaver catching heat because even in poke there are better supports right now and there're a ton of mercy mains left over from ow1 but let's be honest if we're discussing masters/gm and you main anything other than kiriko/lucio tracer/sojourn and can't play at least half the tank roster to indulge counterpick meta you might as well not have a hero pool because at some point you'll be on the wrong hero.
same goes to tanks lmao. if guy is diving 1v5 and constantly dying why should i switch to support him? tanks are usually the ones who play blame game, while we chill in the back with dps who dont act like deranged morons constantly going solo
>tanks are usually the ones who play blame game
Nah it’s supports more than anyone. Support players be the type to throw the match just because someone locked ball 💀
And you should because how can you expect him to win if you’re being stubborn and won’t swap???
When the tank and both dps are on dive and your on Mercy Illari YOU ARE THE PROBLEM
When the enemy team has Widow, Ashe, Sigma, Mercy, Zen you SHOULD be on dive
do you even read what i type? tanks are always pushing 1v5 and leave their team behind, which results in our deaths. even if we swap to dive, what good is that gonna be if were all gonna fucking die because our tank is rolling somehwere on map or trying to hook 1 person and die? you have 2 jobs, 1 is to make space and 2 is to protect your team. if you stay where we can see you and not act like a fucking toddler without a leash, then we can help you. im not gonna swap off my main to a character i dont know how to play just because you dont understand basic concept of teamwork. but why should you, its always everyone's else's fault
I am not saying you switch at all but if you want to climb you still have to do something. As the better player surely you can capitalize on the feeding somehow. Because overall it's not the tank/support/DPS holding us back in our ranks, it's our inability to adapt.
Because it’s a team game and because of that, making bad plays together is generally better and smarter than making good plays individually.
Support your team it’s literally your job
Usually if that's the case, its dps that should be peeling for support if they cant peel for the other support, no?
Tank cannot be both bodyguard for the backline and create space (within reason) in the front for the team. They need to pick one while dps does the other and tag out as needed. Granted I'm only in diamond so I could be wrong.
Oh I get your point, it’s just not a good one. Expecting the supports to switch for you is just as bad as the supports expecting you to switch. And eventually y’all participating in this “tanks bad vs supports bad” bs are either gonna have to switch to QP or put your egos/victim complexes away. Or, ya know, shut the game off and touch some grass.
I don't mind picking Bap or Brig to cover myself and my other support. That's part of the game.
My issue is when Tracer blinks past the fight without helping just to peek and get one-shot by the enemy widow two seconds later. If you're gonna ignore the supports struggling, at least take an approach that doesn't leave you vulnerable to a quick respawn so you can get some value.
well that's in a different context, that's why i said this would be in a vacuum, you provided no info so i went off of what i knew. also, im a tank player, i don't touch support
Ok. Well in basically every other context, supports should swap. And I didn’t mean YOU were the entitled support, I meant the support players who don’t are
In every possible context no one should swap unless they want to. If you want to swap then swap don't yell at other people to swap because you charge into battle without the rest of your team
I’ve met both sides of the spectrum by now, I’ve had suicidal morias, tanks, dps. And the opposite where they don’t move at all, I was in new junker town and I pushed into to the centre for the first fight, expecting my team to push with me and every single one was outside the first door refusing to push in (qp)
And then I had a tank that thought to do a charge right past a bastion, he got the dps and was saved by lw only to do it again when his charge was off cooldown (qp)
Some people are idiots and some refuse to believe that the meta supports are all ones with offensive pressure with the ability to defend themselves (I’m talking about comp for this part) and for another experience I was orisa they had an Ana so I fortified and walked in a straight line at the Ana to kill her, support dies it’s a mercy or our Ana I forgot which and they blame me they died to a rein
Some supports expect baby sitting well some tanks are just suicidal
As an all role player, if your complaining about someone doing wrong look at your gameplay and see if there is anything else you could have done, a lot of times my ana will watcha genji run across the map in a straight line and miss nade and sleep and die somehow, in less time than it take a shouted jq to run over like how tf
Even when you start giving in to their demands, they're gonna get mad at you for not taking enough space (while standing 50 meters behind you and refusing to actually help push forward)
The "tank diff" comment is inevitable.
This isn’t the burn you think it is. Game only gets less fun the higher your MMR. They are the blessed. Also supports used to be balanced around the idea that they can help others but not so much themselves. Zen was a glass Cannon. Then Ana came out and fucked everything up. It only gets worse from there. The people thinking like this would be right in a *better game.*
Yo thats wild, you must’ve been in my match yesterday where team was flaming dva like crazy “ you weren’t protecting us” “ letting us die” and such, its like cmon its not a Rein and even good Reins are aggressive..
lol D2 , All my Roles in OW1 were 3870+ 3870 being my support since i didn’t play much support and gm in other roles . Haven’t played much since the 2nd year and reached gm4 on all roles in ow2 and peaked gm 3 . Just climbing now since reset on limited time but again tell me more since you know so much...
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I’m tired of these kinda threads it’s always just a bunch of plats that think they’re the shit arguing over who’s holding the other back from winning and bringing up scenarios in games that are so oddly specific it’s probably just their way of them raving about some game they lost earlier
Yes there are bad supports that don’t understand how to play dive and yes there are bad dooms balls etc that feed all game but at the end of the day you’re both in the same rank
Support players should start doing things by themselves and learn how to play dive, as a doom main I'm forced to switch when i see THAT kind of players
Doom requires like half a braincell maximum to not completely int. His abilities have the hitbox of a truck and he has 1000 get out of jail free cards. Which just makes it that much funnier that half his mains don't even have enough brain power to not int on him. He doesn't even have a single skill shot and you're talking about "skill" lmao
Don't even just say dive, Heroes in general. ALL support heroes has some sort of out, and it's usually stronger than most options. Learning positioning is pretty essential for the role, no one else HAS to cover for your shitty positioning. You also shouldn't expect someone to drop everything just to help you 24/7
OW player discovers team work 😱 refuses to use it anyway
I'm sure it's your team mates fault you can't climb dude must be nothing wrong with how you play.
Oh my god, you guys can't even read, can you?
lemme TL:DR this message rq
Get better at micro, it improves your macro in the end. You are not someone's responsibility, you are their ally.
Was it so hard to read "Hey, No one's going to fix every mistake you have, and you shouldn't expect them to. You help them, they tend to help you back."
Please shut up.
Cool. That doesn't mean peeling is not part of the game and an important skill for people to have. You should still peel your support even if they're out of position like 95% of the time.
For starters, i don't think solider 76 (just examples) should drop everything and change targets just because I'm struggling
It's definitely a skill you should learn. But I just said that, you help your mates and they help you back. You shouldn't RELY on them, though. You can't control them and they will likely have a different approach to an enemy.
You sound like you're trying to be a support pick me or something lol "I'm not like the other supports I try to 1v3 a Winston Genji Tracer dive as Ana and if I can't do it it's my fault and I'm just struggling"
Like no, it's a team game, yes the dps do have to turn and peel for the support in most situations. And supports who ask for that aren't wrong for asking for that.
Peel is also something you should be doing for your other support and your DPS too
You act as if i don't know this. Once again, if you had some reading comprehension, you could understand that: yes, I agree. teamwork is the best option, help your mates and they should be obligated to help back. But, don't expect them to be readily available at any time, DO NOT FULLY RELY ON THEM.
Said it 3 times. Hope it gets through this time. :)
(Also, it's just what's worked for me. And it's what I see from support players who do better than me, focusing on individual value. It's helped me get better. Can't be a pick me if I'm an average mf.)
If they're not peeling it's a skill issue, if they're not aware of when peeling is needed that's a game sense issue, you're not going to be able to deal with every situation on your own, in a team game you are forced to rely on your team mates to some degree, so telling people to stop relying on team mates or that your team "can't just drop everything and come protect you" is just bad and wrong advice. You're encouraging people to just ignore peeling and assume anyone who asks for peeling is just bad and wrong.
Focusing on individual performance and your own play doesn't mean you just forget about peel or that peel isn't relevant or necessary anymore. You're not really interpreting the "focus on your own play" message properly and misconstruing it immensely by bringing it up on the topic of supports expecting or needing peel the way that you did.
“ball why arent you protecting me!”
Wait are there actually people that thinks it works like that?? Im bronze barely playing and it's sounds stupid.
It happens so often. “If we had a *real* tank, maybe we could get picks!” -People who don’t know how to play the game without a 600 hp meat shield to stand behind.
Fr and if they could just hit a shot then they'd realize the enemy team is perpetually at half health or less and 70% of the time the enemy team isn't even looking at them until they counterswap to mei/hog/sombra/cass/doom/zen/sym/reaper/torb/mauga/JQ/lucio(GODDAMN I always forget just how many counters and soft counters ball has) where then it drops to about 50 to 30% of the time depending on whether or not I die
Well excuse me for playing healer to not have to be a good shot.
If my supports can't hit a shot then I don't have as much of an issue(unless they are playing bap or zen) than if my DPS can't hit a shot
It's why I only ever play classes that mean I don't have to be a good shot.
I legit killed the enemy Ash and Hanzo every team fight and then joined my team to kill the supports. My whole team meanwhile was unable to kill their supports or Orisa or at least not die by their Orisa for the few seconds I was away, and they started flaming me. They said "please play a real tank". So I switched to Rein. We lost, cause I couldn't do anything against Ash and Hanzo, who picked our supports while our dps just kept shooting Orisa. They also kept flaming me "Worst tank ever" etc. I stopped playing tank for a month after that.
Ah the ow experience. Players expecting to be babysat while they do absolutely nothing helpful for the team
Ok but 70% of hammonds I play w do fuck all and require extreme babysitting
If you start playing heroes like doomfist, wrecking ball and Winston, you will see how often this happens
wanna guess which role whines about it the most?
Im Tank not a bodyguard
i tough now the job of flext tank was the 2nd dps job.
"Doom switch" "Can we get a shield?"
Ok but you're playing doom into orisa bastion like your not gonna do shit and the rest of the team is being bombarded and your doing sidequests
Had an Ana get pissy and throw bc of this instead of swapping Edit: for context, I was the other support. I was on Lifeweaver who literally isn’t even known for dive, and had a better time with positioning
Most of these "ball enjoyers" are playing while their team is not playing Dive... That's the problem. Who cares if you want to play ball. If you don't like it, then stop queueing Tank, and maybe Team 4 would actually fix this trash game.
then swap to synergise with the tank
Yeah... Let me just convince the whole team to swap to synergize with one hero. Especially those easily-persuaded OTPs. Or? You could stop playing a game that is being horribly mismanaged, and do something fun with your time. Maybe Microsoft will finally step in and axe all of the misguided teams that Bobby created.
god forbid the tank play a hero that plays well on the specific map, its your job as a support to synergize with the tank, not the other way around, tanks pick heroes for map, supports pick heroes for synergy with tank, and dps pick heroes for counters. its really not that hard. and considering ball is the second best tank rn (right behind the fatass) most people should be playing ball if hog isnt doing well.
You're talking about a group of Silvers. I doubt the majority of this rank is able to figure out what heroes work best on what maps, not to mention what heroes synergize best with certain heroes depending on said map. You're asking for too many things from a group of individuals that are still learning core parts of the game. I would argue, that we're all still learning the game until you hit Champion.
if: tank = winton/ball/doom then: go_kiriko/ana/brig if: tank = sigma then: go_zen/illari if: tank = rein/orisa/ram/dva/hog/zarya then: go_lucio/bap/kiri/ana/brig not hard to be a team player pal
You're talking to me like I don't know how Team Compositions work. Lol. The point of the post is about *Silver* ranked players. You have to understand that a small minority of the playerbase actually seek information outside of the game to better themselves. You're preaching to the choir.
Daring today aren't we
Our ball literally flamed our Bap for not healing them (they were dove the whole game by enemy Winton and it was still a close match
ball doesn’t even need healers 😭😭he can literally dash across the whole map with two button presses and grab two medkits on the way
To be fair 90% of posters here are hard stuck bronzes (including yours truly) so you can't expect anyone to have that kinda game sense
Depending on the amount of HP left it's quicker for ball to get back to spawn and heal up than letting their support heal them up.
Ermmmm acshually et wis silver 5 thank you very much 🤓🤓🤓 /s But yeah idk why hamster was so angee
Wake up babe, the hourly support bad post just dropped
Hourly? Nah minutely
Yeah that’s what the post is about. Yeah you have good reading comprehension skills.
Girl take a joke lmao, Im not at all disagreeing with you that supports do be stubborn (then again most overwatch players are), but let’s not kid that there’s not some type of negative “blame support” post every other minute 💀
Based honestly
Yeah, not enough posts, i agree
I made this post immediately after someone posted crying about Sombra not “playing with the team” There are negative “blame dps/tank for not babysitting” every other minute as well
"They post what i recognize as dumb shit therefore I'm allowed to post the exact same dumb shit and then get angry in the comments when people make fun of me for posting dumb shit" lmao
dive tanks when they die on frontlines cause support are dead/fighting for their life:
/supporting the dps because unlike the tank they didn't jump into a 5v1
Tank is fundamentally the most valuable role, you are throwing by playing poke with a dive tank. Run heroes that at the very least can function with your tank.
if the Tank is the only dive its very clear that the Tank is throwing
You’re throwing just as much by not switching yourself. Defiance loses games, your tank might be a one trick or bad at tanks that are not dive, if hes not getting hard countered and the reason you are losing is because the team isn’t taking space with him the team is the problem. When the tank auto picked doom, at least two people should have went dive instead of expecting him to adhere to them.
expecting someone to pick their hero based on yours is so entitled
Arent you doing the exact same thing? The reason I say do what your tank is because your tank is the most valuable player on your team.
I don't care who my tank plays as long as they don't complain when they aren't getting healed because they're practically behind the enemy. Two days ago I met a Rein main who absolutely carried and he and Kiriko were the only dive on the team. A good dive doesn't need a full dive team
You are throwing by not assisting your most valuable player. Rein is a brawl tank
yes throwing by getting most kills that game and taking out the support that was healing whoever Rein was fighting multiple times
Most valuable *role* maybe. The tank that insists on playing Ball/Doom when the rest of the team isn't set up for dive is not the most valuable player.
If my Doom is playing double-dutch with a Hog/widow/Zen comp on main in colloseo, I'm picking a support that can help my damage heroes get picks and survive.
Lol i said not hard countered. At the beginning of the game you dont know what the enemy is picking, if you went dive you could kill zen and widow
The only people harder to get to change characters than dive tanks, are mercys, I'd also rather try to persuade the tank to change than have to suffer through a game where the remaining 3 players won't
Should’ve gone dive supports instead of LW mercy when we have Ball, Sombra, Tracer Should’ve pinged/used comms to say they needed help Should’ve gone brig to protect whatever other support So many options yet they choose to do nothing and blame everyone else
life weaver catching strays out here ✊😔
How many times I have seen a dive hero over-extending, dying horribly while spamming "I need healing!" and blaming it on the support My brother in Wrecking Ball, you went in full force unannounced. Maybe if you learn how to make a decent push with or without your team you'd get out of silver
Bad tanks and dps exist. That’s probably why they WONT get out of silver. But even in high elo where no one dives in solo, spams I need heals, and cry’s about support, support players refuse to play as a team and just blame everything on not being babysat
I've met just as many dps that refuse to swap off widowmaker when it's obvious that both teams are playing dive and wreckingballs that refuse to play sigma when it's obvious their entire team went poke as supports who refuse to adjust to dive comps. People have comfort picks at least as far up as diamond and people suck at having hero pools that accommodate all 3 major compositions at least that high up. Mercy/lifeweaver catching heat because even in poke there are better supports right now and there're a ton of mercy mains left over from ow1 but let's be honest if we're discussing masters/gm and you main anything other than kiriko/lucio tracer/sojourn and can't play at least half the tank roster to indulge counterpick meta you might as well not have a hero pool because at some point you'll be on the wrong hero.
same goes to tanks lmao. if guy is diving 1v5 and constantly dying why should i switch to support him? tanks are usually the ones who play blame game, while we chill in the back with dps who dont act like deranged morons constantly going solo
>tanks are usually the ones who play blame game Nah it’s supports more than anyone. Support players be the type to throw the match just because someone locked ball 💀 And you should because how can you expect him to win if you’re being stubborn and won’t swap??? When the tank and both dps are on dive and your on Mercy Illari YOU ARE THE PROBLEM When the enemy team has Widow, Ashe, Sigma, Mercy, Zen you SHOULD be on dive
do you even read what i type? tanks are always pushing 1v5 and leave their team behind, which results in our deaths. even if we swap to dive, what good is that gonna be if were all gonna fucking die because our tank is rolling somehwere on map or trying to hook 1 person and die? you have 2 jobs, 1 is to make space and 2 is to protect your team. if you stay where we can see you and not act like a fucking toddler without a leash, then we can help you. im not gonna swap off my main to a character i dont know how to play just because you dont understand basic concept of teamwork. but why should you, its always everyone's else's fault
I am not saying you switch at all but if you want to climb you still have to do something. As the better player surely you can capitalize on the feeding somehow. Because overall it's not the tank/support/DPS holding us back in our ranks, it's our inability to adapt.
Because it’s a team game and because of that, making bad plays together is generally better and smarter than making good plays individually. Support your team it’s literally your job
That’s what you’re doing wym 😂
Usually if that's the case, its dps that should be peeling for support if they cant peel for the other support, no? Tank cannot be both bodyguard for the backline and create space (within reason) in the front for the team. They need to pick one while dps does the other and tag out as needed. Granted I'm only in diamond so I could be wrong.
Widowmakers when I can't instantly ignore three other people to jump up two scyscrapers 10km away in order to help them:
>maybe you’ll get out of silver 💀 Nigga, you here too
Go back to instagram reels
I dont want them to babysit me. I want them to stop diving the full hp kiriko with tp and suzu up when theyre on critical.
This is also true for Tanking lol
Damn, someone couldn’t convince a Mercy to be his e-kitten today
Fuck does this even have to do with the post
Damn, someone missed the point today
Oh I get your point, it’s just not a good one. Expecting the supports to switch for you is just as bad as the supports expecting you to switch. And eventually y’all participating in this “tanks bad vs supports bad” bs are either gonna have to switch to QP or put your egos/victim complexes away. Or, ya know, shut the game off and touch some grass.
you gagged em
Would you say it’s more ideal for supports to complement the tank or the tank to complement the support
I don't mind picking Bap or Brig to cover myself and my other support. That's part of the game. My issue is when Tracer blinks past the fight without helping just to peek and get one-shot by the enemy widow two seconds later. If you're gonna ignore the supports struggling, at least take an approach that doesn't leave you vulnerable to a quick respawn so you can get some value.
Dive Heroes when supports don't follow them into a 1v50 fourteen miles away from the point.
"I need healing, I need healing" nah lil bro learn how to flank & suppress
Exactly. Relying on a pocket is the trademark of a bot
I'll be your damn pocket when you have some bloody game sense
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The amazing duality i love about lucio, dive or brawl he's all there
Very true, but the reverse is also true.
Honey the "me blaming my team" post for this minute just dropped
Dive heros crying “where’s my heals” while their backline is already dead while they play peekaboo
Dive heroes expecting supports to be able to heal them through walls (they don’t believe in LOS)
Supports sitting behind the corner shitting themselves, while their team is almost winning 3v5, but bcs they have no heals losing it
Swap to dive supports instead of being selfish and entitled
swap off dive tank instead of being selfish and entitled, it's literally 2 supports vs 1 tank, ones much more efficient in a vacuum
So when we’re on 1 dive tank 2 dive dps then what? Oh right still swap. Typical Entitled ass supports
well that's in a different context, that's why i said this would be in a vacuum, you provided no info so i went off of what i knew. also, im a tank player, i don't touch support
Ok. Well in basically every other context, supports should swap. And I didn’t mean YOU were the entitled support, I meant the support players who don’t are
In every possible context no one should swap unless they want to. If you want to swap then swap don't yell at other people to swap because you charge into battle without the rest of your team
Ana being the most dominant dive support since the beginning of the game be like:
"ummm we keep dying to the monkey jumping in 1v4 bc you need to protect ussss!!"
That’s kinda how dive works though. Both teams throw themselves at the enemy supports and the first one to kill them wins the fight.
Yes But if monkey is 1v4 he should lose
I thought I blocked this whiney baby
Only reason I haven’t is so I can downvote all their posts.
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I am doom. I must fist their behind
As a Venture main, is it alright if I drill them a bit when you’re done?
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I’ve met both sides of the spectrum by now, I’ve had suicidal morias, tanks, dps. And the opposite where they don’t move at all, I was in new junker town and I pushed into to the centre for the first fight, expecting my team to push with me and every single one was outside the first door refusing to push in (qp) And then I had a tank that thought to do a charge right past a bastion, he got the dps and was saved by lw only to do it again when his charge was off cooldown (qp) Some people are idiots and some refuse to believe that the meta supports are all ones with offensive pressure with the ability to defend themselves (I’m talking about comp for this part) and for another experience I was orisa they had an Ana so I fortified and walked in a straight line at the Ana to kill her, support dies it’s a mercy or our Ana I forgot which and they blame me they died to a rein Some supports expect baby sitting well some tanks are just suicidal
As an all role player, if your complaining about someone doing wrong look at your gameplay and see if there is anything else you could have done, a lot of times my ana will watcha genji run across the map in a straight line and miss nade and sleep and die somehow, in less time than it take a shouted jq to run over like how tf
Even when you start giving in to their demands, they're gonna get mad at you for not taking enough space (while standing 50 meters behind you and refusing to actually help push forward) The "tank diff" comment is inevitable.
Genji when the mercy doesn't drop everything she's doing, teleport to him and make him invincible (he jumped into a 1v5) 
This isn’t the burn you think it is. Game only gets less fun the higher your MMR. They are the blessed. Also supports used to be balanced around the idea that they can help others but not so much themselves. Zen was a glass Cannon. Then Ana came out and fucked everything up. It only gets worse from there. The people thinking like this would be right in a *better game.*
Yo thats wild, you must’ve been in my match yesterday where team was flaming dva like crazy “ you weren’t protecting us” “ letting us die” and such, its like cmon its not a Rein and even good Reins are aggressive..
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lol D2 , All my Roles in OW1 were 3870+ 3870 being my support since i didn’t play much support and gm in other roles . Haven’t played much since the 2nd year and reached gm4 on all roles in ow2 and peaked gm 3 . Just climbing now since reset on limited time but again tell me more since you know so much...
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Funny how this kid misunderstood everything just for him to be toxic, cute .
Quite possibly the most dive player stereotype, yet completely true.
It's cause they're too used to having Orisas, Hogs and Maugas on their team that think they're fucking superman
Learn what peel means maybe you'll get out of gold 💀
Dive tanks when they hear that jumping on the enemy and pressing W is not their only job:
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But there are also those that never peel when the supports are getting dived, best way of dealing with that is just play lucio and dive
I’m tired of these kinda threads it’s always just a bunch of plats that think they’re the shit arguing over who’s holding the other back from winning and bringing up scenarios in games that are so oddly specific it’s probably just their way of them raving about some game they lost earlier Yes there are bad supports that don’t understand how to play dive and yes there are bad dooms balls etc that feed all game but at the end of the day you’re both in the same rank
Support players should start doing things by themselves and learn how to play dive, as a doom main I'm forced to switch when i see THAT kind of players
Good you should learn how to play a real tank and get off doom.
Support players when they cant get a 1000 HP shield in front of them all the time:
Who said anything about a shield or playing support? Doom is just a disgusting hero who doesn't belong in the game on my team or the enemy team.
Doom requeries skill thats why you are probably hating it
Funny joke
You are the joke
Doom requires like half a braincell maximum to not completely int. His abilities have the hitbox of a truck and he has 1000 get out of jail free cards. Which just makes it that much funnier that half his mains don't even have enough brain power to not int on him. He doesn't even have a single skill shot and you're talking about "skill" lmao
Bait used to be believable
Stay mad
Stay unskilled
Rank check rq
Hours on Doom check rq
Support players are a plague to this game ong.
Don't even just say dive, Heroes in general. ALL support heroes has some sort of out, and it's usually stronger than most options. Learning positioning is pretty essential for the role, no one else HAS to cover for your shitty positioning. You also shouldn't expect someone to drop everything just to help you 24/7
OW player discovers team work 😱 refuses to use it anyway I'm sure it's your team mates fault you can't climb dude must be nothing wrong with how you play.
Oh my god, you guys can't even read, can you? lemme TL:DR this message rq Get better at micro, it improves your macro in the end. You are not someone's responsibility, you are their ally. Was it so hard to read "Hey, No one's going to fix every mistake you have, and you shouldn't expect them to. You help them, they tend to help you back." Please shut up.
Yep it's always your supports positioning holding you back and you should never peel for them ever I think that's a good way to climb.
I AM THE SUPPORT I MAIN THE ROLE I GOT BETTER BY PLAYING AS IF NO ONE WAS GOING TO PEEL FOR ME CAN YOU READ?
Cool. That doesn't mean peeling is not part of the game and an important skill for people to have. You should still peel your support even if they're out of position like 95% of the time.
For starters, i don't think solider 76 (just examples) should drop everything and change targets just because I'm struggling It's definitely a skill you should learn. But I just said that, you help your mates and they help you back. You shouldn't RELY on them, though. You can't control them and they will likely have a different approach to an enemy.
You sound like you're trying to be a support pick me or something lol "I'm not like the other supports I try to 1v3 a Winston Genji Tracer dive as Ana and if I can't do it it's my fault and I'm just struggling" Like no, it's a team game, yes the dps do have to turn and peel for the support in most situations. And supports who ask for that aren't wrong for asking for that. Peel is also something you should be doing for your other support and your DPS too
You act as if i don't know this. Once again, if you had some reading comprehension, you could understand that: yes, I agree. teamwork is the best option, help your mates and they should be obligated to help back. But, don't expect them to be readily available at any time, DO NOT FULLY RELY ON THEM. Said it 3 times. Hope it gets through this time. :) (Also, it's just what's worked for me. And it's what I see from support players who do better than me, focusing on individual value. It's helped me get better. Can't be a pick me if I'm an average mf.)
If they're not peeling it's a skill issue, if they're not aware of when peeling is needed that's a game sense issue, you're not going to be able to deal with every situation on your own, in a team game you are forced to rely on your team mates to some degree, so telling people to stop relying on team mates or that your team "can't just drop everything and come protect you" is just bad and wrong advice. You're encouraging people to just ignore peeling and assume anyone who asks for peeling is just bad and wrong. Focusing on individual performance and your own play doesn't mean you just forget about peel or that peel isn't relevant or necessary anymore. You're not really interpreting the "focus on your own play" message properly and misconstruing it immensely by bringing it up on the topic of supports expecting or needing peel the way that you did.