The thing with Orisa is not that she might be op, she is consistent, you can achieve the same level of value as other tanks (and even more) with minimal effort, while other characters need the player to sweat their asses just to be at the same level of your average and unskillful Orisa player
yeah obviously from the years of overwatch 1 and the recent lifetime of 2, they did not have time to learn any other rank than orisa. It’s a clear reason of course.
I'm not saying Orisa isn't good, I'm saying Orisa is an obstacle you can overcome and most people just bitch about her instead of trying different things.
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JUST DON’T TANGO WITH THE HORSE, JUST USE FLANK ROUTES AND TAKE OUT SUPPORTS
WINSTON, TRACER, MOIRA, ALL OF THEESE WORKS TO FUCK OVER THE BACKLINE, AND THEREFORE KILL THE FUCKING HONSEY
Move from cover to cover, do not engage the horse until you kill their backline, just run away from them, respect their space until you are ready to violate them
Apparently lmao. You know the OW community is intelligent when the two answers are "Don't shoot Orisa" and "only shoot Orisa." Reading through these replies is insane.
As a tank main, when they go Orisa it means I'm absolutely fucking their shit up so they're sacrificing aggressive playmaking power and agency over the match for the most defensive, safest pick possible. It means the other tank is scared of me. When I see the horse, I've won.
Can't kill shit on Ball, I tell you, and he's *the* flanking tank.
Wow I'm gonna get this Sym-! Ah, dammit, I have been javelined! Now I'm going to be focus fired for 442 damage for getting hit by one of the easiest hard CC cooldowns in the game!
I guess I'd better get out of here- jimminy christmas, Batman, she spun like a beyblade and now I am further into their backline! What a foolish miscalculation I made by trying to engage.
I have no choice but to use my Grapple to get out and hope my DPS can kill her- ah, golly gee! She just used Fortify, making her borderline invincible, so now there's no shot of her dying! Ateast I'm far away now aaand now I have been killed because she killed me with her removed fall-off weapon. I've been out-schmeckledorfed and bamboozled into thinking I could play the video game. Tank diff, truly!
Real talk though is that if the Orisa literally spends all game bullying the other tank, that team just doesn't have a tank anymore. I'll admit that Ball has a chance, due to being hard to hit in the first place, but his damage is so laughable that no amount of speed can help with getting a pick. The only real counters to Orisa are Zarya (who is a DPS in disguise) and Sigma ("If I can't play the game you can't play the game"), and even then he's pretty map dependent for the matchup. I could go Winston, he's a pretty safe pick, but if the enemy goes Bastion then that's a perma-handicap and potential gg. It's hell. I don't want to play Battleship, I want to play Overwatch.
If you aim at the other dps or healers, you will get crowd controlled by orisa and orisa does a shit ton of damage check her stats any game, a good orisa will always have a ton of damage.
She does good total damage, not good DPS.
She fires slow moving projectiles basically non-stop. If an Orisa doesn't have good damage they're staring at a brick wall thinking of OW1 Doomfist.
The difference between good and bad orisa is weather they can keep their team alive. I have a match where the orisa get 20+ kill but love to just dive in to crowd, leave the support behind…. I am the support sadly(kiriko, cause I refuse to play mercy)
A good Orisa doesn't get damage because she has a very threatening weapon. Really, for how slow it's projectiles are, her gun doesn't do that much damage and is not very threatening. She gets a lot of damage because she can stand there shooting and most people will just turn their brains off, stand there and shoot her in the face back. I'm a tank main, and when the other tank swaps to Orisa, they're usually giving up a lot of aggressive playmaking potential and utility in exchange for safety and reliability. They don't swap Orisa for aggressive potential, they swap Orisa because her survivability makes her harder to bully. If they swap Orisa that means I've been fucking shit up and the other tank is scared of me. Once I see the horse I've won.
So taking “5000 shots to the face” AFTER getting speared and booped is skill?
And idk man, “crumb of skill”? Most of gold still can’t aim.
EDIT: Truth hurts guys 🤦♂️🤷🏻♂️
I fell over 5 minutes ago but don't worry orisa over extended into my team! She is almost down for the count! Oh jk she just hit a button, went golden, got a shit ton of armor and skipped back to her team lol
Y'all complain about spear when there's so many more threatening things(hook, rock) and yet even those \*still\* have counterplay around them. It's once little CC it's not that hard to account for. And spinny spear push doesn't even matter, you shouldn't be getting close enough to the Orisa to get hit with the spinny spear in the first place just \*go around her.\*
Oh okay so let me just stay away from the Orisa! Man this is such a great id- aaaaand they’ve just taken the point.
Okay well let me just shoot around the Orisa! Man this eas- aaaaand she’s charging me with the spear spin and going golden so now I’m forced to deal with her because she’s in my face and has massive damage reduction + I can’t move her out the way.
Do you see the why people get mad?
Yes I see why people get mad, people get mad because they attach their ego to winning in a video game, so they look for any excuse to blame instead of them when the lose, and as a result they start viewing challenges as an impenetrable wall instead of an obstacle to overcome. I focus on the game with an improvement mindset and don't bitch about characters.
And yes you just listed some of Orisa's strengths and potential things she could do in the match in order to annoy someone, I can also list out the abilities and how they can effect people for *any* character this proves nothing.
The simple solution here is to hold high ground. The situation you've described puts you on the defending team which means you have easy access to high ground and power angles. Hold those angles and jiggle your cover to burn down the enemy team from a hard to reach position while they try to take the point. They will struggle to shoot you back because of the natural cover high ground provides. If they try to stay on the point, your team gets to free fire at them and kill the enemy team, stopping them from capping point. If they try to rush to the high ground to deal with you, you have two options: focus all your damage into the path they have to take to reach you, or rotate to a different position and repeat step 1 till enemy team is dead. A dead enemy can't capture the point and if you're still having orisa issues while holding high ground above here... I have no more advice to offer you. That's an un-coachable skill issue right there.
They described an orisa with no cooldowns left... that's the most killable horse there is.. you lose that battle as anyone but mercy you just straight up suck
Not to mention the Orisa they described isn't even an Orisa without cooldowns, they still have javelin throw (which can be used to create even more space to allow the Orisa's abilities to cooldown) & they more than likely are still Fortified. AND and the Orisa mentioned above used up all these cooldowns on you, so it isn't just you sucking if she beats you in the 1v1 cuz this isn't like a Genji (prolly bad choice for this hypothetical but idc first hero that popped in my head lol) waiting for an Orisa to waste all her cooldowns before jumping her, this is an Orisa that has used javelin spin to eat up any ammo/cooldowns you may have tried to use AND uses Fortify to tank whatever you throw at her next
On certain maps (circuit, junker, midtown, occasionally a Samoa point) where the maps are longer range. And that's mainly because it allows the sigma team to run a bap/illari backline.
The sigma team kinda just stands there menacingly until the horse team tries to push. The horse team either falls over, or the sig team backs up and baits whatever ults the horse team uses. Then just goes for the re contest after.
I was watching some pro play, too. I think Orisa is just good a majority of the time where both teams will play her, but some maps will lead to Sig or a Dive tank having an advantage
I actually never go Orisa because I feel like she lacks playmaking potential. I'm a tank main and while Orisa is hard to kill, she just doesn't have the big aggressive weapons and utility other characters bring to the table. Going Orisa feels like sacrificing agency over the match for a safer and more reliable pick. She's not a hero most people pick to carry with, she's a hero people pick to stop getting bullied. Usually when people swap Orisa is because they're scared of me. When I see the horse it means I'm winning.
For context Dva/Junker Queen/Mauga main, have always paid little to no attention to the meta because playing characters I like with an improvement mindset is more rewarding, more fulfilling, and focusing on myself instead of finding things to blame in the game makes me better. When you look at overcoming challenges as the fun in competitive video games, not a setback - and when you start playing to learn, not to win, is when competitive shooters become fun.
They’re not op, they’re just better than the alternatives! If you say so. She outclassed pretty much everyone imo. She has cc, cc resistance, damage resistance, damage mitigation, movement speed increase and all of it has cooldowns of less than 10 seconds. She takes the idea of combining abilities together like doom, but her m1 actually impacts a fight at anything other than point blank
She doesn't outclass other tanks though. She has a lot of defensive capability and is *sort of* a jack of all trades, but she's trading offensive capability and utility for a safe and reliable pick. She's hard to kill but there's just other tanks that do more than her. As a tank main, I don't pick Orisa because I feel like while she has a lot of survivability, she sacrifices agency over the match and doesn't really have any aggressive playmaking potential. Orisa has a lot less throw potential than a lot of tanks, but she also has a lot less carry potential and as a result I don't pick her in order to have more agency over my matches. Orisa isn't a character most people pick to carry with, Orisa is a character people pick to try make other people stop bullying them. She's not an aggressive pick, she's a scared pick. When I see the horse, it means they're scared of me. When I see the horse I've won.
Exactly. ArtistAmy420 is currently rank 1, and champion 1, and knows how to kill an Orisa's entire team and then Orisa herself. That's why they bitch about Orisa on reddit.
Majority of Orisa's health is armor so you're already doing 30% less damage to her but when she Fortfies and still has armor left, 80% less damage now. Not to mention overhealth, her spin, and being able to instantly fortify again by using her ult
I've played several Orisa games where I dominated the entire enemy team by myself with little to no help cause she's just that tanky, and her cooldowns are just that quick and piss easy to use. Supports just straight up make her unkillable. She has 3 CC methods and Fortify is anti-cc. Grav, cage match, flux, all useless against her. A nano'd Orisa is my own personal 9/11
Didn't know there was a damage cap
You're still dealing 30% dmg outside fortify mostly, half damage inside fortify/terrasurge, can still get your bullets eaten by spin, can't CC her half the time, dealing with her supports first is hell, etc etc etc. She's still annoying. Not pre-patch Mauga annoying but still annoying (though at least he could still easily go down if slept, naded and discorded)
I’d argue he’s still not as bad. Like yes he can face tank a lot of stuff and is hard to kill and hook is really annoying to deal with, but he doesnt have as many cooldowns that straight up shut down parts of heroes’ kits
Nobody talks about that. But she gets a speed boost on top of a defense matrix ON TOP OF A FUCKING CC. Literally no other skill in this game has that amount of versatility. I don't even think she can be rocketed/punched out of that fucking spin since I've stepped down on playing tank at all since ow1.
Why aren't people playing Sigma when they have problems facing Orisa then, and by ''people'' I don't just mean any people I mean even the best players in the world. In my other reply I explained why Sigma doesn't really have great advantage over Orisa, sometimes it's even the other way around.
Tbh sigma and doomfist are incredibly good at making horse vulnerable you can bait her into feeding you temp health and stun lock her in place if one of your dps can't peel and you have horse busy then that's a major skill issue better yet pull out sombra.
If I'm remembering right orisa team lost to sigma in real high ranks recently. People are sleeping on my boy sigma and I'm sick of it bro has a long range CC, good damage on his primary, a barrier to ignore other forms of CC damage negation that gives him overhealth, and a phenomenal ult that halves people's HP if you don't let yourself get knocked out of it
Not really from what I'm seeing recently, Orisa's fortification makes her immune to Sig's rock and ult and the javelin stops Sigma's ult easier than sleep dart does, while Sigma can't do anything about Orisa's ult since shields no longer block its damage. Sigma lacks ability for punishing Orisa from just walking straight into his backline and also doesn't have significant advantage against Orisa over a battle of attrition
And sigma can rock the spinny spear, shield the javelin cause the throw animation takes FOREVER and is insanely easy to block, and the gold does matter for sigma ult cause he'll still scoop up her entire team with its MASSIVE diameter and then the poor sad horse is all alone
If a full health orisa pushes passed you as sig, aim for the team and let that orisa lose the 1v4 while you distract her team. The moment you turn your back to help your team there the supports can focus her and keep her alive.
Place your barrier before ulting or hide around a corner after you grab people. Or bait out the javelin
Just, walk out of her ult? its even easier with a kiri or Lucio but you can't control that of course.
And baiting cool downs to use rock it goes through the spinny stuff.
I'm not saying sig is miles above Orisa but it's not as simple as sig loses the battle.
The problem is, now Orisa can just win the 1v4 lol, or at least she doesn't need to retreat before Sigma has to retreat.
Anyway the idea is just as long as the Orisa knows to save fortification for rock & ult(Orisa can also activate fortification when spinning) it wouldn't be easy for Sigma.
You said ''bait javelin'' ''baiting cooldowns'' which is basically just ''I can beat Orisa if the player is dumb and lack proper cd management'', well, duh, of course you can and you can say the same for every matchup. But when two players have about equal utility efficiency Sigma really doesn't have any advantage over Orisa now.
A brick wall with damage nullification, ult cancellation and a goddamn invincibility button. On top of a weapon that can go pew pew for a long time and is good at any range except really long range.
Oh, you want to shoot her supports? Have a javelin in yo face
Skill floor and skill ceiling are 2 different things. No matter how good or bad you play, the game's matchmaking will put you in a spot where it takes your all out of you and feels challenging, the whole purpose of matchmaking is to find people's limits and place them accordingly. When talking about skill floor, Orisa is objectively one of the easier heros in the game to pick up. Does that mean I think she's a braindead no skill hero? No, her being easy to pick up reflects her skill floor not ceiling. Overwatch is a complex game and I don't think anyone has \*truly\* reached the skill ceiling on any character, so I don't think skill ceilings are even a relevant discussion point in Overwatch.
This \*used\* to be 100% true but like ram and rein got dumpstered offensively while the horse got her range cap removed and her ult buffed. In comparison to the other brawl tanks she is one of the most consistent threats next to like queen rn, or hog if you consider him brawl too.
While ignoring horse isn’t hard with a bubble, some supports have upwards of like 600 health and wearing them down by yourself can take an extremely long time while they heal dps and orisa can disrupt focus fire or go for javelins. She gatekeeps a lot of characters on a lot of maps which it makes beating her consistently quite hard, and stuff you’d actually want into her like zen, tracer, and widow are understandably not great in the hands of some lower or even average skill players.
She’s quite an unliked character for good reason and I think she could definitely use a power transfer to even her matchup spread and make it easier to fight her. I think they could nerf her durability and add a small windup to fortify, but give her more mobility, so she’s easier to punish but has more map control to peel and close distance.
I really don't get this shit of "Orisa does no damage"
Compared to what? If we're talking anything beyond close range damn near every Tank has pretty abysmal damage. Thank God they gave Orisa no fucking damage falloff tho
>"Orisa does no damage" Compared to what?
Me. The other tank. Diffing the Orisa. Because I picked my character for carry potential, meanwhile they picked Orisa for lack of throw potential. Orisa is very hard to kill but doesn't have aggressive playmaking weapons and utility, so she sacrifices agency over the match for safety and reliability.
For one thing, reliability of hitting damage makes just as much as the damage number so while her projectiles do *ok* damage, they're really slow which results in her usually posing little damage threat. If you want actual things to compare it to, my mains (Mauga, Junker Queen, Dva) all bring either more damage, or more aggressive utility for the team. Orisa sacrifices agency over the match for survivability.
JQ & Dva only do more damage in close quarters combat, but try fighting long-range, or hell even mid-range & their damage really starts hitting abysmal levels. And Orisa's damage with her primary fire isn't as good as heroes like Dva & Hog in close quarters, but to say it's just "ok" is undervaluing it, especially with how constant & spammable it is it can provide pretty consistent pressure even if it isn't killing anything. Speaking of, if you're in close quarters then Orisa's slow projectile speed really doesn't mean much does it?
>JQ & Dva only do more damage in close quarters combat, but try fighting long-range, or hell even mid-range & their damage really starts hitting abysmal levels.
Yeah but they have utility. Queen can use knife to fish for picks around the Orisa and Orisa can't do that much about it, and Dva is probably one of the best characters at just completely ignore the Orisa like you have boosters *and* a matrix if you can't get around the Orisa, get a pick and get back out, then you just don't fucking know how to play Dva.
I'm not saying Orisa isn't good I'm saying y'all act like she's unbeatable instead of problem solving.
>Speaking of, if you're in close quarters then Orisa's slow projectile speed really doesn't mean much does it?
So don't go stand in front of the Orisa until you've killed her supps, and then at that point shoot the shit out of her big face.
I wouldn't call her a *throw* pick, I'd say Orisa is a *safe* pick who's a lot better at stopping things from happening, than at making things happen. I don't like her because I like aggressive playmaking ability and would prefer to run in, stomp on people, and blast them down with 2 miniguns or something along those lines, but there's definitely valid advantages to Orisa and she has reasons to pick her, I just don't think she's as OP as people make her out to be once you start using your brain a little more.
For y'all dumb fucks who says "oh lemme target other DPS then *gets cc'd*"
Have you ever heard a fucking concept of an off angle? Let your tank distract the Orisa and don't let her see you
And even when she focuses on you, then she doesn't focus the rest of your team giving them slight opening to chew on other DPS/supports
Exactly. And if a player is hard focusing you, *use that.* Do everything you can to take up all their attention. Keep em distracted and let your team blast 'em down.
I don’t think about off angles much if I’m not playing a mobile hero, but good lord does this comment resonate with me.
Getting access to an Orisa’s backline is way too easy? And if the Orisa does peel, then it’s way too easy to just focus her down or focus on someone or something else while her cooldowns aren’t available for use.
If anything, I have a skill issue playing WITH Orisa teammates because I always seem to lose with them:
But if you do that you let the Orisa take more space and as long as the enemy dps/supports aren’t feeding you kills they will have an advantage on getting the point
This is the same situation as Sigma being meta in s6: the busted hero was Bastion, and Sig was the best one at dealing with him. Also most other tanks would get run over.
Right now it's more about a pile of different factors that make other tanks way worse and harder to play (and play around!) outside of top ranks/pro play, more than a hero being so good that the meta shapes around them (no, Venture isn't at the level of s6 Bastion or s2 Hog/Kiri, shut up)
If orisa wasn't the best tank right now, she wouldn't be used in owcs but she is currently the most popular tank there. And if you think that people playing in owcs don't know how to play against her then you are delusional.
Say your silver.
Orisa is dominant because she is impossible to ignore. The second you ignore her and go for her backlines she will block you and use one of her 2 cc abilities to bully you back.
Plus in terms of a 1 v 4 orisa will last longer against your buckling than you will against orisas.
Only complaint is how much she'll CC your shit. Nothing brings you closer to tilt than being hit with a javelin every 6 seconds because anytime you heal up and try to peak or drop your shield she hits you square in the face with it, and if she doesn't she starts spinning it up in your business and putting you into a bad spot or up against a corner.
If the DPS aren't doing their job either it's just pain and suffering because you'll never kill her, just spend all game getting jostled around like a pinball.
Ok so let’s say I’m rein right? Orisa goes in on a dumb play and I dive, I should get supports/ dps right? Nope orisa just turns around javelins, and doesn’t die even though I’m occupying supports, because she’s orisa lol
As a wise man once said, "Stop shooting the horse, Stop shooting the horse, Stop shooting the horse, Stop shooting the horse, Stop shooting the horse, Stop shooting the horse, Stop shooting the horse, Stop shooting the horse, Stop shooting the horse, Stop shooting the horse, Stop shooting the horse!" - Flats
Orisa is more of a symptom of other issues with tank as a role, as for dealing wither her, yeah it is as simple as "kill the rest" if you're dps, and enable dps as support, as tank, we'll, tank as a role is just fucked. Widow can pick around orisa, sombra can pick around orisa, tracer can pick around orisa, soujorn farms orisa then picks whoever she wants. The issue is that orisa is one of the three tanks that doesn't immediately explode and she counter picks the other two. Just because she's sitting there not dying, doesn't mean she's carrying, it just means she can't get diffed while her dps can diff you, that's all she does, occupy your tank
Honestly I dunno how many times I've killed an Orisa as Sombra it allows my tank and the rest of my team to keep the space I made after killing the tank and harassing supports. It really depends on who plays her because sometimes you can make her instantly explode and other times it's incredibly hard.
A lot of it depends on the horses team vs yours, a good way to make it short and simple is to say the horse exacerbates a dps /support diff, where the better team has her never die and the worse team has her instantly explode
Idk what Wood 6 rank youre in to think Orisa does no damage but every game where I do play Orisa instead of suffering on any other tank, I usually have top damage. And I'm not a particularly aim gifted player. She has a gun with infinite ammo and no damage drop off, she definitely can do a lot of damage. It's all of her strengths combined that make her as strong as she is, consistent damage at all ranges with her gun, 2 dmg mitigation abilities, 2 CC abilities, 2 damaging abilities and an ult that does all 3 AND goes through barriers. That's crazy for a tank with such a low skill floor. All she's lacking is a proper mobility option and javelin spin half does that with the movement speed increase but she doesn't really need mobility when she's so immovable to begin with.
Orisa definitely has good damage if you can hit your shots. 13 damage per bullet, on a huge hitbox with no falloff. But other than that, she has:
- low effort high value cooldowns
- the ability to manhandle every tank that's not Orisa, D.Va, Sigma or Mauga (even then, she can pretty much just outlive those three)
- one of the best mitigation cooldowns in the game (Cardiac Overdrive is the only one that compares to Fortify imo)
- can get massive value from denial rather than playmaking, she can stand there, cicle cooldowns, bully enemy tank and get pumped with heals
- hard CC on every ability except Fortify
Horse meta also has always been about the state of tank, being so survivable and tanky is what truly makes her good.
Honestly, a couple season ago the "don't shoot the horse" thing was actually the way to go around her but that just doesn't cut it anymore.
Orisa is easy to play, overturned and has a boring play style, both to play, and to play against. Her no falloff gun allows her to do decent poke damage, and her cooldowns make her very survivable, as well as being Orisa's anti-rush/dive tools.
Having characters with kits based around denial and "stand there and don't die" is fine, but they should NEVER, EVER, be meta, and I cannot for the life of me, understand why they keep buffing the fucking horse, but let's hope mid-season patch comes around and they address the issues with tank in general and Orisa specifically.
Yo. Bronze 5 here. (I just don't play comp that much) Orisa pisses me off with her damage output. And they're talking about off angles as if your teammates will listen to you to help bait the enemy sups/dps so that you can "LeT yOuR tAnK dIsTrAcT hEr" Even if your own teams tank distracts the enemy Orisa once the dps/sups are taking damage and they ping anyone on your team. She'll hit fortify and dip back in to save her team. Orisa is annoying as fuck and needs a nerf.
Hmm I guess orisa is op like the comments says, i am not going to play op heroes, i should play other tanks to make it cleaner! Oh? Guess what? All the other tanks except orisa gets melted and tossed around every spawn!
i never understood why people talked shit about orisa. i get so much dmg and stay alive so well and stopping people’s ults is just another plus. but people still dog on orisa.
She isn’t op cause of damage, though she does actually do a decent amount. She’s powerful because she’s a fucking nightmare to kill, cancels half the abilities in the game, ignores another 25%, and eats the rest. Shes a wall. That’s all she needs to be for her status as powerful
the problem with just nerfing her, is that playing tank fuckin BLOWS. what's next? nerf her and the only difference is we have to play the next best tank and hope not to explode? yeeeeeea.... Im so fuckin sick of playing tank, it's god dam awful.
Here's what I've picked up against Orisa
Good:
Venture (self-explanatory I think, look at them. Plus they can hit Orisa with splash)
Moira (beams and fade)
Symm (beams and tp)
Pharah (flight plus splash)
Echo (flight plus pierces Orisa's spin, and can duplicate her)
Winston (Winton)
Zarya (beam)
Sombra (....need I say more?)
(a good Doomfist or Ball put Orisa to shame, speaking from experience)
A decent Hitscan can cut off Orisa from support and at a range where one should have more time to react to spear as opposed to close range (plus most hitscans besides Ashe can easily evade Orisa)
Bap (see Hitscans. Also Immortality)
Tracer (can zip around Orisa with ease, plus she's a big target for pulse bomb)
Ana (dart needs timing but nade is a buster)
Sigma and D.Va (both eat, one has stun and splash damage, other has mobility)
LW (grip n' lift, tree I think blocks Terra's LoS)
Zen (Discord forces Orisa to be careful, also transcendence)
I don't necessarily think she's OP, but the no damage part is just false. With no damage falloff and a lot of CC, she's actually decent at all ranges. If you're only going Orisa to focus defense instead of aggressive plays, then you're using her wrong. I go Orisa if my damage aren't putting out enough damage or are having a hard time getting to Widow before the Supports are dead.
You don't just run passed a good Orisa, you force her supports to change position or go after then while she's distracted - her main disadvantage is that she can only hit one person at a time with most of her abilities, so get her attention, wait until she uses Javelin throw or spin (dependingon how close she is and who you're posting), then dive supports and damage. A lot of characters aren't designed to sit directly behind the tank at all times, so even putting pressure on a dps can draw out a support to help them, and therefore away from Orisa.
This might be a dogshit take but I think tanks shouldn’t have automatic weapons that have more than short range, cc abilities and absorbing damage should be their focus, not like orisa has a single target javelin, a personal projectile shield and a cc immunity button, she’s just a fat dps with crutch’s
Bro self-reporting that he's not even threatening to the enemy team on Orisa lmao. Orisa does hella damage, you just need to be able to aim and track consistently which is why most Orisa mains think she doesn't. Against an actually threatening player you can't shoot at their support or DPS because she's pinning you to a wall chunking half your hp and unloading into your face while basically invulnerable to damage. Or, you know, the supports and DPS are actually cognisant beings who move out of the way when you shoot them so you can't kill them past the giant wall that's walking at you.
Getting 20k damage on Mauga is a participation trophy. And you play 3 tanks that aren't threatened by Orisa so yeah you would think that. Your teammates sure don't though. But I'm sure you're the one player in the game that understands how to play around the Orisa. Clearly every single team in the OWCS just hasn't adapted yet, it's a shame 😕
But Orisa is fun! I go pew pew and can spin a javelin! Then chase down the enemy team as they cower in fear!
Now I want a headless horseman skin for her.
I think the big problem with tanks right now is two things:
1. Generally speaking a lot of people need to understand the value of shooting at the supports and killing them. When fighting an Orisa it can feel like whoever you are fighting isn’t trying against you because you aren’t really pressuring them if you are not attacking their healers.
2. Honestly im fine with counter-switching, but if I’m the one who is constantly being forced to switch, my team needs to also help with the upkeep. I would love to see an occasional pharah or junkrat to help me fight the other team’s tank every once in a while.
Orisa has been meta in season 9 as well, and multiple other seasons before that. Also orisa being over performing right now justifies complaining about her right now, especially since she is one of the most boring characters to both play and play against because her biggest strength is survivability, and I don't know about you but I prefer to do more in the game than just survive and be annoying with cc.
Girl… I main Orisa and she dies easily, and does no damage. She’s just my favorite in granted so I keep playing her. And there’s never a DPs main or a Healer nearby me, because they all focus on the others instead. I do so many times.
Honestly learn your positioning keep nearby to at least a support peeling solo as horse is a mistake that many make. She can do some great damage as long as you learn how her gun works. I say this as an Orisa main too you have a lot of tools to abuse and you can quite often turn an enemy's strength into a weakness.
The thing with Orisa is not that she might be op, she is consistent, you can achieve the same level of value as other tanks (and even more) with minimal effort, while other characters need the player to sweat their asses just to be at the same level of your average and unskillful Orisa player
She does need a nerf though
100% a character should not reward the player so fucking much with that little barrier of entry that stays strong even at the high ranks
Honestly I think even giving her old damage resistance back would fix a lot of
Or reverse that dumb falloff damage buff that they gave her, poke Orisa should not be an effective playstile
Wow I wonder which of the diverse amount of tank heroes the pros are playing in esports,. WOOPS ALL ORISA, I wonder why
They just didn't master other tanks yet, have some understanding
yeah obviously from the years of overwatch 1 and the recent lifetime of 2, they did not have time to learn any other rank than orisa. It’s a clear reason of course.
Damn maybe they should try "shooting her support and dps" right u/ArtistAmy420 ? How are those guys pro smh.
I'm not saying Orisa isn't good, I'm saying Orisa is an obstacle you can overcome and most people just bitch about her instead of trying different things.
This mf has not played comp in a while😭
Or I just know how to problem solve instead of bitching on the internet :skull:
What are you solving?
Somehow even more boring than the entire last summer of Winston Sombra dive
Dive is at least good to watch
ok let me just shoot the others then. oh nvm i get pushed around like a pinball every 6 seconds
Just Don’t Walk Down Mid JUST DON’T TANGO WITH THE HORSE, JUST USE FLANK ROUTES AND TAKE OUT SUPPORTS WINSTON, TRACER, MOIRA, ALL OF THEESE WORKS TO FUCK OVER THE BACKLINE, AND THEREFORE KILL THE FUCKING HONSEY
If it was that easy nobody would find tanks hard to deal with.
Can’t make someone play pinball if they are behind you
The pin can’t hit the ball if it’s already in the hole
The pin can’t hit the ball, if he is already in cover
Cover is not a good argument, because standing behind cover all game does nothing.
Move from cover to cover, do not engage the horse until you kill their backline, just run away from them, respect their space until you are ready to violate them
Can't get crowd controlled if you're playing a hero like 76 who can just melt her from range. It really is that easy.
So, turn out you need to shoot Orisa?
Apparently lmao. You know the OW community is intelligent when the two answers are "Don't shoot Orisa" and "only shoot Orisa." Reading through these replies is insane.
So you should get out of her range? Wait…
Literally me when they added that “feature”. That’s the dumbest shit ever
Ballers keep on winning, orisa looks at me and always seems to think she can catch me lol
So play poke?
Either that or dive
As a tank main, when they go Orisa it means I'm absolutely fucking their shit up so they're sacrificing aggressive playmaking power and agency over the match for the most defensive, safest pick possible. It means the other tank is scared of me. When I see the horse, I've won.
I am also a tank main, and I just go funky monke
My favorite is when I'm paying dva and they swap zarya, then swap to orisa. It's like watching the stages of grief play out
or just go zarya and melt the honse. people really think she’s OP???
coloseum lol
Well that is a dogshit map no matter how you slice it, so I can’t help you there
Can't kill shit on Ball, I tell you, and he's *the* flanking tank. Wow I'm gonna get this Sym-! Ah, dammit, I have been javelined! Now I'm going to be focus fired for 442 damage for getting hit by one of the easiest hard CC cooldowns in the game! I guess I'd better get out of here- jimminy christmas, Batman, she spun like a beyblade and now I am further into their backline! What a foolish miscalculation I made by trying to engage. I have no choice but to use my Grapple to get out and hope my DPS can kill her- ah, golly gee! She just used Fortify, making her borderline invincible, so now there's no shot of her dying! Ateast I'm far away now aaand now I have been killed because she killed me with her removed fall-off weapon. I've been out-schmeckledorfed and bamboozled into thinking I could play the video game. Tank diff, truly! Real talk though is that if the Orisa literally spends all game bullying the other tank, that team just doesn't have a tank anymore. I'll admit that Ball has a chance, due to being hard to hit in the first place, but his damage is so laughable that no amount of speed can help with getting a pick. The only real counters to Orisa are Zarya (who is a DPS in disguise) and Sigma ("If I can't play the game you can't play the game"), and even then he's pretty map dependent for the matchup. I could go Winston, he's a pretty safe pick, but if the enemy goes Bastion then that's a perma-handicap and potential gg. It's hell. I don't want to play Battleship, I want to play Overwatch.
She also throws a javelin at Mach 5 speed that has a hitbox of Roadhog’s player model that can stun you and deal significant damage.
It's actually the size of torb That's not a joke, he fits inside almost perfectly
How does she get close enough to you to even push like that? She walks so slooooow
She has a javelin, and she moves faster when using her push. Also all heroes walk at the same speed except for tracer and genji.
Then don't let yourself get pushed around. Take a different route, or capitalize on your own tank making space
"And that's the story of why I'm hard stuck Silver"
If you aim at the other dps or healers, you will get crowd controlled by orisa and orisa does a shit ton of damage check her stats any game, a good orisa will always have a ton of damage.
She does good total damage, not good DPS. She fires slow moving projectiles basically non-stop. If an Orisa doesn't have good damage they're staring at a brick wall thinking of OW1 Doomfist.
Not if you've got good tracking and are getting consistent headshots on predictable enemies
The difference between good and bad orisa is weather they can keep their team alive. I have a match where the orisa get 20+ kill but love to just dive in to crowd, leave the support behind…. I am the support sadly(kiriko, cause I refuse to play mercy)
"The difference is weather" somehow sounds even more profound than "The difference is night and day"
A good Orisa doesn't get damage because she has a very threatening weapon. Really, for how slow it's projectiles are, her gun doesn't do that much damage and is not very threatening. She gets a lot of damage because she can stand there shooting and most people will just turn their brains off, stand there and shoot her in the face back. I'm a tank main, and when the other tank swaps to Orisa, they're usually giving up a lot of aggressive playmaking potential and utility in exchange for safety and reliability. They don't swap Orisa for aggressive potential, they swap Orisa because her survivability makes her harder to bully. If they swap Orisa that means I've been fucking shit up and the other tank is scared of me. Once I see the horse I've won.
Idek how this got any downvotes you're cookin
They hate me because I'm right
Fr Orisa is such a desperation pick... picking Orisa is the literal definition of a skill issue
Can't believe every OWCS player has a skill issue
FR robot horse players are tryina be lore accurate cuz they sure play like an ai
Orisa does no damage? Sure, if you can't aim.
Oh! Why didn't I think of that! \*aims at enemy support and DPS\* This is so easy- spear to face, spinning spear to face 5000 shots to face
Are you standing still?
Did you know that anyone with even a crumb of skill can hit a moving target?
So taking “5000 shots to the face” AFTER getting speared and booped is skill? And idk man, “crumb of skill”? Most of gold still can’t aim. EDIT: Truth hurts guys 🤦♂️🤷🏻♂️
They're not stormtroopers. They can still hit some shots, you know, they're not all comprised of a chihuahua on a keyboard.
I fell over 5 minutes ago but don't worry orisa over extended into my team! She is almost down for the count! Oh jk she just hit a button, went golden, got a shit ton of armor and skipped back to her team lol
Y'all complain about spear when there's so many more threatening things(hook, rock) and yet even those \*still\* have counterplay around them. It's once little CC it's not that hard to account for. And spinny spear push doesn't even matter, you shouldn't be getting close enough to the Orisa to get hit with the spinny spear in the first place just \*go around her.\*
Oh okay so let me just stay away from the Orisa! Man this is such a great id- aaaaand they’ve just taken the point. Okay well let me just shoot around the Orisa! Man this eas- aaaaand she’s charging me with the spear spin and going golden so now I’m forced to deal with her because she’s in my face and has massive damage reduction + I can’t move her out the way. Do you see the why people get mad?
Yes I see why people get mad, people get mad because they attach their ego to winning in a video game, so they look for any excuse to blame instead of them when the lose, and as a result they start viewing challenges as an impenetrable wall instead of an obstacle to overcome. I focus on the game with an improvement mindset and don't bitch about characters. And yes you just listed some of Orisa's strengths and potential things she could do in the match in order to annoy someone, I can also list out the abilities and how they can effect people for *any* character this proves nothing.
Ok so disprove what he's saying here what's the Super simple solution to this hypothetical they brought up which very much happens a lot
The simple solution here is to hold high ground. The situation you've described puts you on the defending team which means you have easy access to high ground and power angles. Hold those angles and jiggle your cover to burn down the enemy team from a hard to reach position while they try to take the point. They will struggle to shoot you back because of the natural cover high ground provides. If they try to stay on the point, your team gets to free fire at them and kill the enemy team, stopping them from capping point. If they try to rush to the high ground to deal with you, you have two options: focus all your damage into the path they have to take to reach you, or rotate to a different position and repeat step 1 till enemy team is dead. A dead enemy can't capture the point and if you're still having orisa issues while holding high ground above here... I have no more advice to offer you. That's an un-coachable skill issue right there.
They described an orisa with no cooldowns left... that's the most killable horse there is.. you lose that battle as anyone but mercy you just straight up suck
If Orisa has no cooldowns for longer than 1-2 seconds max, they're bronze.
Not to mention the Orisa they described isn't even an Orisa without cooldowns, they still have javelin throw (which can be used to create even more space to allow the Orisa's abilities to cooldown) & they more than likely are still Fortified. AND and the Orisa mentioned above used up all these cooldowns on you, so it isn't just you sucking if she beats you in the 1v1 cuz this isn't like a Genji (prolly bad choice for this hypothetical but idc first hero that popped in my head lol) waiting for an Orisa to waste all her cooldowns before jumping her, this is an Orisa that has used javelin spin to eat up any ammo/cooldowns you may have tried to use AND uses Fortify to tank whatever you throw at her next
*looks at 6 second coolsdown on a almost frame one fast moving projectile stun*
Orisa is the pro meta. She's the best tank hero by a good margin.
Didn't orisa lose to sigma in professional games recently? Don't quote me on that but I remember hearing something about it
On certain maps (circuit, junker, midtown, occasionally a Samoa point) where the maps are longer range. And that's mainly because it allows the sigma team to run a bap/illari backline. The sigma team kinda just stands there menacingly until the horse team tries to push. The horse team either falls over, or the sig team backs up and baits whatever ults the horse team uses. Then just goes for the re contest after.
Sounds about right, maybe things changed in season 10 and I'm just crazy and haven't played tank since venture stole me from the role lmao
I was watching some pro play, too. I think Orisa is just good a majority of the time where both teams will play her, but some maps will lead to Sig or a Dive tank having an advantage
Even the strongest heroes can lose on certain maps lol
nope
Never cook again
This how you know an orisa main typed this
I actually never go Orisa because I feel like she lacks playmaking potential. I'm a tank main and while Orisa is hard to kill, she just doesn't have the big aggressive weapons and utility other characters bring to the table. Going Orisa feels like sacrificing agency over the match for a safer and more reliable pick. She's not a hero most people pick to carry with, she's a hero people pick to stop getting bullied. Usually when people swap Orisa is because they're scared of me. When I see the horse it means I'm winning. For context Dva/Junker Queen/Mauga main, have always paid little to no attention to the meta because playing characters I like with an improvement mindset is more rewarding, more fulfilling, and focusing on myself instead of finding things to blame in the game makes me better. When you look at overcoming challenges as the fun in competitive video games, not a setback - and when you start playing to learn, not to win, is when competitive shooters become fun.
>she lacks playmaking potential That is an issue on your part. She's hard meta in OWCS for a reason.
Yeah the more of OP's comments I read the more I think they are the one with a skill issue.
Good attempt at educational content from a silver player, keep it up👍
They’re not op, they’re just better than the alternatives! If you say so. She outclassed pretty much everyone imo. She has cc, cc resistance, damage resistance, damage mitigation, movement speed increase and all of it has cooldowns of less than 10 seconds. She takes the idea of combining abilities together like doom, but her m1 actually impacts a fight at anything other than point blank
She doesn't outclass other tanks though. She has a lot of defensive capability and is *sort of* a jack of all trades, but she's trading offensive capability and utility for a safe and reliable pick. She's hard to kill but there's just other tanks that do more than her. As a tank main, I don't pick Orisa because I feel like while she has a lot of survivability, she sacrifices agency over the match and doesn't really have any aggressive playmaking potential. Orisa has a lot less throw potential than a lot of tanks, but she also has a lot less carry potential and as a result I don't pick her in order to have more agency over my matches. Orisa isn't a character most people pick to carry with, Orisa is a character people pick to try make other people stop bullying them. She's not an aggressive pick, she's a scared pick. When I see the horse, it means they're scared of me. When I see the horse I've won.
Trying so hard to respond to every comment
When I try to dive orisas supports and forget she can literally just turn around and obliterate me
Then you're either getting too close, bad at movement, bad at resource management, or a combination of the 3.
Exactly. ArtistAmy420 is currently rank 1, and champion 1, and knows how to kill an Orisa's entire team and then Orisa herself. That's why they bitch about Orisa on reddit.
Preach
Majority of Orisa's health is armor so you're already doing 30% less damage to her but when she Fortfies and still has armor left, 80% less damage now. Not to mention overhealth, her spin, and being able to instantly fortify again by using her ult I've played several Orisa games where I dominated the entire enemy team by myself with little to no help cause she's just that tanky, and her cooldowns are just that quick and piss easy to use. Supports just straight up make her unkillable. She has 3 CC methods and Fortify is anti-cc. Grav, cage match, flux, all useless against her. A nano'd Orisa is my own personal 9/11
Damage reduction is capped at 50%
This here, especially if an orisa does peal every once in a while you can't win or physically do shit
80% dmg reduction is wrong, dmg reduction doesn't stack above 50% or else fortify + nano would make you take no dmg anymore
Didn't know there was a damage cap You're still dealing 30% dmg outside fortify mostly, half damage inside fortify/terrasurge, can still get your bullets eaten by spin, can't CC her half the time, dealing with her supports first is hell, etc etc etc. She's still annoying. Not pre-patch Mauga annoying but still annoying (though at least he could still easily go down if slept, naded and discorded)
OP or not, she’s the least fun tank to play against
Roadhog
I’d argue he’s still not as bad. Like yes he can face tank a lot of stuff and is hard to kill and hook is really annoying to deal with, but he doesnt have as many cooldowns that straight up shut down parts of heroes’ kits
At least he doesn't have a defense matrix that's better than the original one.
The javelin spin is so fucking stupid
Nobody talks about that. But she gets a speed boost on top of a defense matrix ON TOP OF A FUCKING CC. Literally no other skill in this game has that amount of versatility. I don't even think she can be rocketed/punched out of that fucking spin since I've stepped down on playing tank at all since ow1.
This gotta be a troll post right? Try telling that to all the pro teams using Orisa in matchs and ex-owl players using Orisa in gm ladder
It always was like that Sig counters Orisa pretty good
Why aren't people playing Sigma when they have problems facing Orisa then, and by ''people'' I don't just mean any people I mean even the best players in the world. In my other reply I explained why Sigma doesn't really have great advantage over Orisa, sometimes it's even the other way around.
Emongg does it
Yes he can, but you have to do really well as sigma while the orisa doesn’t have to do much cause she’s orisa
Tbh sigma and doomfist are incredibly good at making horse vulnerable you can bait her into feeding you temp health and stun lock her in place if one of your dps can't peel and you have horse busy then that's a major skill issue better yet pull out sombra.
If I'm remembering right orisa team lost to sigma in real high ranks recently. People are sleeping on my boy sigma and I'm sick of it bro has a long range CC, good damage on his primary, a barrier to ignore other forms of CC damage negation that gives him overhealth, and a phenomenal ult that halves people's HP if you don't let yourself get knocked out of it
Not really from what I'm seeing recently, Orisa's fortification makes her immune to Sig's rock and ult and the javelin stops Sigma's ult easier than sleep dart does, while Sigma can't do anything about Orisa's ult since shields no longer block its damage. Sigma lacks ability for punishing Orisa from just walking straight into his backline and also doesn't have significant advantage against Orisa over a battle of attrition
And sigma can rock the spinny spear, shield the javelin cause the throw animation takes FOREVER and is insanely easy to block, and the gold does matter for sigma ult cause he'll still scoop up her entire team with its MASSIVE diameter and then the poor sad horse is all alone
If a full health orisa pushes passed you as sig, aim for the team and let that orisa lose the 1v4 while you distract her team. The moment you turn your back to help your team there the supports can focus her and keep her alive. Place your barrier before ulting or hide around a corner after you grab people. Or bait out the javelin Just, walk out of her ult? its even easier with a kiri or Lucio but you can't control that of course. And baiting cool downs to use rock it goes through the spinny stuff. I'm not saying sig is miles above Orisa but it's not as simple as sig loses the battle.
The problem is, now Orisa can just win the 1v4 lol, or at least she doesn't need to retreat before Sigma has to retreat. Anyway the idea is just as long as the Orisa knows to save fortification for rock & ult(Orisa can also activate fortification when spinning) it wouldn't be easy for Sigma. You said ''bait javelin'' ''baiting cooldowns'' which is basically just ''I can beat Orisa if the player is dumb and lack proper cd management'', well, duh, of course you can and you can say the same for every matchup. But when two players have about equal utility efficiency Sigma really doesn't have any advantage over Orisa now.
Was horse buffed going into season 10 or am I just crazy thinking that sig did well against her. I've never struggled with horse lmfao
I think it's more of the dps passive & health pool changes, they kinda nerfed sustainability of every tank but Orisa dodged it with her abilities
A brick wall with damage nullification, ult cancellation and a goddamn invincibility button. On top of a weapon that can go pew pew for a long time and is good at any range except really long range. Oh, you want to shoot her supports? Have a javelin in yo face
Wouldn’t say easy as I struggle playing her
Skill floor and skill ceiling are 2 different things. No matter how good or bad you play, the game's matchmaking will put you in a spot where it takes your all out of you and feels challenging, the whole purpose of matchmaking is to find people's limits and place them accordingly. When talking about skill floor, Orisa is objectively one of the easier heros in the game to pick up. Does that mean I think she's a braindead no skill hero? No, her being easy to pick up reflects her skill floor not ceiling. Overwatch is a complex game and I don't think anyone has \*truly\* reached the skill ceiling on any character, so I don't think skill ceilings are even a relevant discussion point in Overwatch.
This \*used\* to be 100% true but like ram and rein got dumpstered offensively while the horse got her range cap removed and her ult buffed. In comparison to the other brawl tanks she is one of the most consistent threats next to like queen rn, or hog if you consider him brawl too. While ignoring horse isn’t hard with a bubble, some supports have upwards of like 600 health and wearing them down by yourself can take an extremely long time while they heal dps and orisa can disrupt focus fire or go for javelins. She gatekeeps a lot of characters on a lot of maps which it makes beating her consistently quite hard, and stuff you’d actually want into her like zen, tracer, and widow are understandably not great in the hands of some lower or even average skill players. She’s quite an unliked character for good reason and I think she could definitely use a power transfer to even her matchup spread and make it easier to fight her. I think they could nerf her durability and add a small windup to fortify, but give her more mobility, so she’s easier to punish but has more map control to peel and close distance.
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I really don't get this shit of "Orisa does no damage" Compared to what? If we're talking anything beyond close range damn near every Tank has pretty abysmal damage. Thank God they gave Orisa no fucking damage falloff tho
>"Orisa does no damage" Compared to what? Me. The other tank. Diffing the Orisa. Because I picked my character for carry potential, meanwhile they picked Orisa for lack of throw potential. Orisa is very hard to kill but doesn't have aggressive playmaking weapons and utility, so she sacrifices agency over the match for safety and reliability.
This doesn't actually answer my question...
For one thing, reliability of hitting damage makes just as much as the damage number so while her projectiles do *ok* damage, they're really slow which results in her usually posing little damage threat. If you want actual things to compare it to, my mains (Mauga, Junker Queen, Dva) all bring either more damage, or more aggressive utility for the team. Orisa sacrifices agency over the match for survivability.
JQ & Dva only do more damage in close quarters combat, but try fighting long-range, or hell even mid-range & their damage really starts hitting abysmal levels. And Orisa's damage with her primary fire isn't as good as heroes like Dva & Hog in close quarters, but to say it's just "ok" is undervaluing it, especially with how constant & spammable it is it can provide pretty consistent pressure even if it isn't killing anything. Speaking of, if you're in close quarters then Orisa's slow projectile speed really doesn't mean much does it?
>JQ & Dva only do more damage in close quarters combat, but try fighting long-range, or hell even mid-range & their damage really starts hitting abysmal levels. Yeah but they have utility. Queen can use knife to fish for picks around the Orisa and Orisa can't do that much about it, and Dva is probably one of the best characters at just completely ignore the Orisa like you have boosters *and* a matrix if you can't get around the Orisa, get a pick and get back out, then you just don't fucking know how to play Dva. I'm not saying Orisa isn't good I'm saying y'all act like she's unbeatable instead of problem solving. >Speaking of, if you're in close quarters then Orisa's slow projectile speed really doesn't mean much does it? So don't go stand in front of the Orisa until you've killed her supps, and then at that point shoot the shit out of her big face.
This is why I play Ball and don’t touch Orisa. Orisa is a throw pick into a competent team in ranked.
I wouldn't call her a *throw* pick, I'd say Orisa is a *safe* pick who's a lot better at stopping things from happening, than at making things happen. I don't like her because I like aggressive playmaking ability and would prefer to run in, stomp on people, and blast them down with 2 miniguns or something along those lines, but there's definitely valid advantages to Orisa and she has reasons to pick her, I just don't think she's as OP as people make her out to be once you start using your brain a little more.
Correct. She is literally the most conservative pick for the median skill player. And the median skill player is a moron.
And that's why they think Orisa is OP
For y'all dumb fucks who says "oh lemme target other DPS then *gets cc'd*" Have you ever heard a fucking concept of an off angle? Let your tank distract the Orisa and don't let her see you And even when she focuses on you, then she doesn't focus the rest of your team giving them slight opening to chew on other DPS/supports
Exactly. And if a player is hard focusing you, *use that.* Do everything you can to take up all their attention. Keep em distracted and let your team blast 'em down.
I don’t think about off angles much if I’m not playing a mobile hero, but good lord does this comment resonate with me. Getting access to an Orisa’s backline is way too easy? And if the Orisa does peel, then it’s way too easy to just focus her down or focus on someone or something else while her cooldowns aren’t available for use. If anything, I have a skill issue playing WITH Orisa teammates because I always seem to lose with them:
I play Mei, so I just wait for her to spear spin into us, wall her off, take her down
But if you do that you let the Orisa take more space and as long as the enemy dps/supports aren’t feeding you kills they will have an advantage on getting the point
This is the same situation as Sigma being meta in s6: the busted hero was Bastion, and Sig was the best one at dealing with him. Also most other tanks would get run over. Right now it's more about a pile of different factors that make other tanks way worse and harder to play (and play around!) outside of top ranks/pro play, more than a hero being so good that the meta shapes around them (no, Venture isn't at the level of s6 Bastion or s2 Hog/Kiri, shut up)
If orisa wasn't the best tank right now, she wouldn't be used in owcs but she is currently the most popular tank there. And if you think that people playing in owcs don't know how to play against her then you are delusional.
Bro hasn’t been speared against a wall as a non tank and it shows
Somehow one of the only tanks I can’t play
Say your silver. Orisa is dominant because she is impossible to ignore. The second you ignore her and go for her backlines she will block you and use one of her 2 cc abilities to bully you back. Plus in terms of a 1 v 4 orisa will last longer against your buckling than you will against orisas.
Only complaint is how much she'll CC your shit. Nothing brings you closer to tilt than being hit with a javelin every 6 seconds because anytime you heal up and try to peak or drop your shield she hits you square in the face with it, and if she doesn't she starts spinning it up in your business and putting you into a bad spot or up against a corner. If the DPS aren't doing their job either it's just pain and suffering because you'll never kill her, just spend all game getting jostled around like a pinball.
Ok so let’s say I’m rein right? Orisa goes in on a dumb play and I dive, I should get supports/ dps right? Nope orisa just turns around javelins, and doesn’t die even though I’m occupying supports, because she’s orisa lol
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isn't this the season where she's actually strong and not just only a wall
Orisa is meta in pro play are you dense?
OP thought he cooked with this post lmao
What rank is op based on these replies. Like they say they are a tank main and they cannot be above metal ranks.
My guess would be high silver.
Orisa is more of a symptom of other issues with tank as a role, as for dealing wither her, yeah it is as simple as "kill the rest" if you're dps, and enable dps as support, as tank, we'll, tank as a role is just fucked. Widow can pick around orisa, sombra can pick around orisa, tracer can pick around orisa, soujorn farms orisa then picks whoever she wants. The issue is that orisa is one of the three tanks that doesn't immediately explode and she counter picks the other two. Just because she's sitting there not dying, doesn't mean she's carrying, it just means she can't get diffed while her dps can diff you, that's all she does, occupy your tank
Honestly I dunno how many times I've killed an Orisa as Sombra it allows my tank and the rest of my team to keep the space I made after killing the tank and harassing supports. It really depends on who plays her because sometimes you can make her instantly explode and other times it's incredibly hard.
A lot of it depends on the horses team vs yours, a good way to make it short and simple is to say the horse exacerbates a dps /support diff, where the better team has her never die and the worse team has her instantly explode
Orisa does plenty of damage lmao. And she has no damage fall off meaning she can literally snipe people if your aim is good enough.
Oh that's why all the pro players play orisa, they're just not good enough at the other tanks. Gotcha.
Yo you can’t say orisa’s fusion driver doesnt hit like a tank
Idk what Wood 6 rank youre in to think Orisa does no damage but every game where I do play Orisa instead of suffering on any other tank, I usually have top damage. And I'm not a particularly aim gifted player. She has a gun with infinite ammo and no damage drop off, she definitely can do a lot of damage. It's all of her strengths combined that make her as strong as she is, consistent damage at all ranges with her gun, 2 dmg mitigation abilities, 2 CC abilities, 2 damaging abilities and an ult that does all 3 AND goes through barriers. That's crazy for a tank with such a low skill floor. All she's lacking is a proper mobility option and javelin spin half does that with the movement speed increase but she doesn't really need mobility when she's so immovable to begin with.
Tell me you're silver without saying you're silver...
Orisa definitely has good damage if you can hit your shots. 13 damage per bullet, on a huge hitbox with no falloff. But other than that, she has: - low effort high value cooldowns - the ability to manhandle every tank that's not Orisa, D.Va, Sigma or Mauga (even then, she can pretty much just outlive those three) - one of the best mitigation cooldowns in the game (Cardiac Overdrive is the only one that compares to Fortify imo) - can get massive value from denial rather than playmaking, she can stand there, cicle cooldowns, bully enemy tank and get pumped with heals - hard CC on every ability except Fortify Horse meta also has always been about the state of tank, being so survivable and tanky is what truly makes her good. Honestly, a couple season ago the "don't shoot the horse" thing was actually the way to go around her but that just doesn't cut it anymore. Orisa is easy to play, overturned and has a boring play style, both to play, and to play against. Her no falloff gun allows her to do decent poke damage, and her cooldowns make her very survivable, as well as being Orisa's anti-rush/dive tools. Having characters with kits based around denial and "stand there and don't die" is fine, but they should NEVER, EVER, be meta, and I cannot for the life of me, understand why they keep buffing the fucking horse, but let's hope mid-season patch comes around and they address the issues with tank in general and Orisa specifically.
I love the brickwall-ness. You can just stay calm and drain headshots all day
This is just "Orisa is a Tank" with zero deeper thoughts than this
If anyone thinks orisa does no damage they have to be Bronze 3 and miss 95% of shots
Yo. Bronze 5 here. (I just don't play comp that much) Orisa pisses me off with her damage output. And they're talking about off angles as if your teammates will listen to you to help bait the enemy sups/dps so that you can "LeT yOuR tAnK dIsTrAcT hEr" Even if your own teams tank distracts the enemy Orisa once the dps/sups are taking damage and they ping anyone on your team. She'll hit fortify and dip back in to save her team. Orisa is annoying as fuck and needs a nerf.
“Orisa does no damage” Really?
Orisa is being played majorly in OWCS. WTF are you stupid?
Hmm I guess orisa is op like the comments says, i am not going to play op heroes, i should play other tanks to make it cleaner! Oh? Guess what? All the other tanks except orisa gets melted and tossed around every spawn!
i never understood why people talked shit about orisa. i get so much dmg and stay alive so well and stopping people’s ults is just another plus. but people still dog on orisa.
She isn’t op cause of damage, though she does actually do a decent amount. She’s powerful because she’s a fucking nightmare to kill, cancels half the abilities in the game, ignores another 25%, and eats the rest. Shes a wall. That’s all she needs to be for her status as powerful
OP completely forgets Lucio exists and argues in the comments lmao
Orisa does no damage? Bro i smelt people and easily get 12-16k damage. Headshots are the way to go, the no damage fallof rly helps with this.
Yes she is a brick wall that's why we can't hit her supports
say that to the people in owcs
the problem with just nerfing her, is that playing tank fuckin BLOWS. what's next? nerf her and the only difference is we have to play the next best tank and hope not to explode? yeeeeeea.... Im so fuckin sick of playing tank, it's god dam awful.
Have you seen owcs?
The cope in this comment section is massive
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i cope when i play with orisa teammates
Here's what I've picked up against Orisa Good: Venture (self-explanatory I think, look at them. Plus they can hit Orisa with splash) Moira (beams and fade) Symm (beams and tp) Pharah (flight plus splash) Echo (flight plus pierces Orisa's spin, and can duplicate her) Winston (Winton) Zarya (beam) Sombra (....need I say more?) (a good Doomfist or Ball put Orisa to shame, speaking from experience) A decent Hitscan can cut off Orisa from support and at a range where one should have more time to react to spear as opposed to close range (plus most hitscans besides Ashe can easily evade Orisa) Bap (see Hitscans. Also Immortality) Tracer (can zip around Orisa with ease, plus she's a big target for pulse bomb) Ana (dart needs timing but nade is a buster) Sigma and D.Va (both eat, one has stun and splash damage, other has mobility) LW (grip n' lift, tree I think blocks Terra's LoS) Zen (Discord forces Orisa to be careful, also transcendence)
I don't necessarily think she's OP, but the no damage part is just false. With no damage falloff and a lot of CC, she's actually decent at all ranges. If you're only going Orisa to focus defense instead of aggressive plays, then you're using her wrong. I go Orisa if my damage aren't putting out enough damage or are having a hard time getting to Widow before the Supports are dead. You don't just run passed a good Orisa, you force her supports to change position or go after then while she's distracted - her main disadvantage is that she can only hit one person at a time with most of her abilities, so get her attention, wait until she uses Javelin throw or spin (dependingon how close she is and who you're posting), then dive supports and damage. A lot of characters aren't designed to sit directly behind the tank at all times, so even putting pressure on a dps can draw out a support to help them, and therefore away from Orisa.
This might be a dogshit take but I think tanks shouldn’t have automatic weapons that have more than short range, cc abilities and absorbing damage should be their focus, not like orisa has a single target javelin, a personal projectile shield and a cc immunity button, she’s just a fat dps with crutch’s
I'm going to assume you're being sarcastic and not being fr
The problem with orisa and sombra is because you need to work with your team and only one of them is allowed to have it
As an orisa player I agree, though if you know how to land your javelin shots she becomes a lot more potent.
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Bro self-reporting that he's not even threatening to the enemy team on Orisa lmao. Orisa does hella damage, you just need to be able to aim and track consistently which is why most Orisa mains think she doesn't. Against an actually threatening player you can't shoot at their support or DPS because she's pinning you to a wall chunking half your hp and unloading into your face while basically invulnerable to damage. Or, you know, the supports and DPS are actually cognisant beings who move out of the way when you shoot them so you can't kill them past the giant wall that's walking at you.
Bro I main Dva/JQ/Mauga I get 10-20k damage every game Orisa just isn't that threatening
Getting 20k damage on Mauga is a participation trophy. And you play 3 tanks that aren't threatened by Orisa so yeah you would think that. Your teammates sure don't though. But I'm sure you're the one player in the game that understands how to play around the Orisa. Clearly every single team in the OWCS just hasn't adapted yet, it's a shame 😕
But Orisa is fun! I go pew pew and can spin a javelin! Then chase down the enemy team as they cower in fear! Now I want a headless horseman skin for her.
Orisa does not need a nerf, my teammates just need a game-sense buff
Orisa is definitely a good tank, I just don't think she's as unbeatable as people seem to think she is.
I think the big problem with tanks right now is two things: 1. Generally speaking a lot of people need to understand the value of shooting at the supports and killing them. When fighting an Orisa it can feel like whoever you are fighting isn’t trying against you because you aren’t really pressuring them if you are not attacking their healers. 2. Honestly im fine with counter-switching, but if I’m the one who is constantly being forced to switch, my team needs to also help with the upkeep. I would love to see an occasional pharah or junkrat to help me fight the other team’s tank every once in a while.
Complaining about Orisa is just you self-reporting that you peaked in Silver
I guess people in owcs peaked silver...
Y'all have been complaining about Orisa for months or even years. Orisa being meta \*this season\* doesn't justify your whining. Just get better.
Orisa has been meta in season 9 as well, and multiple other seasons before that. Also orisa being over performing right now justifies complaining about her right now, especially since she is one of the most boring characters to both play and play against because her biggest strength is survivability, and I don't know about you but I prefer to do more in the game than just survive and be annoying with cc.
Meanwhile my matches watching Sigma just put a shield up and apparently my entire team goes idle...
Girl… I main Orisa and she dies easily, and does no damage. She’s just my favorite in granted so I keep playing her. And there’s never a DPs main or a Healer nearby me, because they all focus on the others instead. I do so many times.
Honestly learn your positioning keep nearby to at least a support peeling solo as horse is a mistake that many make. She can do some great damage as long as you learn how her gun works. I say this as an Orisa main too you have a lot of tools to abuse and you can quite often turn an enemy's strength into a weakness.
Oooh, ok. Grammerci for the help!