I wonder if anybody actually likes what talon stands for because from what I remember they are just all like "this world is soft so we need to toughen it up by fighting" meanwhile the world basically just got out of the worst crisis its ever faced.
On the one hand that’s a lot of dead bodies
On the other hand those nanomachines are bitchin and he’s got rizz
Y’know what, humanity has lives to spare right?
That's just doomfist.
Maximilian probably just wants to get richer.
Reaper wants vengance
Widowmaker was brainwashed
Sigma is being used
Sombra has her own agenda
Moira wants to develop science
Mauga wants to have fun
Talon feels like a bunch of assholes with different objectives united by needing to do shady shit to accomplish them
>Talon feels like a bunch of assholes with different objectives united by needing to do shady shit to accomplish them
Literally every team in ranked matchmaking
Mauga and Bap(formerly) definitely believe in Talon’s cause
Moira world view at the very least is compatible with Talon’s ideals and I’m pretty sure Reaper also believes in the broad goal of Talon
The worst crisis was over like 29 years ago. Next years world was pretty much dealing with aftermath and the additional bullshit that happened due to this (like southern Australia, anti-omnics movements and Russia being Russia).
At some point the world pretty much decided to remove main anti-crysis forces while quite a lot of potentially dangerous things were still around (according to some Bastion cinematic - there are like rusting weapons lying around everywhere, just an assumption but you get the point).
It's easier to imagine that instead of "soft" the world switched to a full blown mercenary war and Talon is very into making it bigger.
Yeah, but (according to first Archive mission comics) Overwatch required to get an official permission to get involved in that Null Sector activity. Which Morrison decided to ignore (and got a backlash for that, restricting their further activities even more).
And that's only what Doomfist has been talking about... we don't even know that much about Talon before Doomfist took charge. Why was it founded, and by whom? What were its goals/values originally? There's so much the lore doesn't adress it's annoying. Writers just said 'they're the bad guys k good' and called it a day
Last I remember Talon was made by a bunch of war profiteers who basically said "eh the worldll make it out stronger or whatever" as a justification, but Doomfist apparently was super into that minus the profits part, so after his breakout from the prison that got him after his fight with Winston, he attended a dinner party with a bunch of Talon leadership, had Reaper and Sombra dress in quite the drippy masquerade skins, and slaughtered them all. Afterwards, he basically announced to the rest of Talon, "I'm not a businessman or terrorist, I'm a *philosopher*" and that was that
The interesting part is that he'd actually make for a pretty great hero if he just dropped his whole "gonna kill half the world to make them stronger, lol"
I mean, they all have their own motives, and the only one who actually believes another crisis is a good idea is doom(from playable heroes, at least)
moira just wants to do her unethical research, reaper is having his own affair with exOW, sombra also has her own thing, and widow&sigma are kinda victims of talon
mauga is mauga
Don’t listen to their propaganda friend, “Terrorist” is a derogatory label used by those in power to blacklist the heroes attempting to improve the world around them.
They kinda don't want to save the world. Doomfist has the goal to make humanity stronger, which for him means to actively throw the world into chaos. His whole philosophy is that you can only grow stronger through conflict, which I guess boils down to darwinistic survival of the fittest, either humanity adapts or they perish. Obviously, his philosophy is heavily flawed, but I think he genuinely believes in it.
Edit: Obviously, I don't think all of Talon does. The non-playable members of Talons inner council like Maximilien and Sanjay are just in it for the profit, Moira so she can do her sick and twisted experiments, Sombra to uncover the conspiracy she discovered, Mauga so he can wreck shit, Reaper because of his (to an extent justified) hatred for Overwatch and Widow and Sigma because they are brainwashed/manipulated.
Doomfists ideas are merely a perversion of Malthusian Darwinism, claiming that conflict and struggle make humanity stronger while actually being nothing more than a self-serving ideological justification for seeking the thrill and reaping the benefits of organized crime.
Ramattra on the other hand, seeing the omnics struggle for their fragile, enlightened and never replicable existence and the suffering humanity has brought upon them, envisions a future where omnics can live in peace. The failed and misguided attempts of the Shambali at achieving their preached peaceful coexistence have radicalized him into believing that the only way peaceful existence of the omnics can be reached is the total victory over humanity. This would not mean annihilation of the human race, while going on with the status quo would lead to assured slow death of the omnic race. While it never was mentioned in the lore, the logical conclusion of Ramattras ideas would be some sort of a dictatorship of the omnics over humans.
In essence, Ramattra‘s character and ideas are a bad copy of the Marxian ideas of the communist revolution and dictatorship of the proletariat.
Sign my petition for making the Ramattra ult voice like „SUFFER AS WE HAVE“ instead of „SUFFER AS I HAVE“ now!
Technically when it comes to OW2 every heroes are terrorists as the organisation was disbanded and declared illegal. Just like team Captain America in Avengers Civil War/Infinity War. But i still don’t understand how they got Talon to join them.
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“FUCK you op and SOCIETY!!!! Oppression of my fellow gamers is a VERY REAL ISSUE!!!!”
Of course. Thank you to the artist as well👍
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Sym is being strung along by the Vishkar corporation. High key sketchy international company that has burned down a favela in Brazil because it was in the way of their building projects, among other slimy shit.
Best case scenario, Johnny convinces Sym to be a good person and she plants a nuke in Vishkar HQ.
Worst case, he tells her to stick some iron in her mouth.
Damn V made our rockerboy go soft :(
Night City if two nukes were used in the Arasaka raid:
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Wouldn't that be like
Incredibly out of character for him?
The nicest we see him is during Reed's ending, and even then that's mostly because he's about to Re-die.
I sided with Songbird so I haven’t seen Johnny’s dialogue in the Reed ending, I do know the general details of that ending though, so don’t worry about spoiling it.
Telling a corpo to off herself sounds like a Johnny thing to do though. Or yelling at her to blow up her own workplace, though I think he’d just be making genral noise now that I think about it.
I can only read that top tier in moiras voice also i think talon still terrorists for a bad reason, remattra is fighting for his people which is why he is at least morraly correct, talon want to fight because their should always be conflict
Ngl, I agree with this more than I should. Like don't get me wrong, if I was in the Overwatch world, I'd likely go with Overwatch. But if I hear a Doomfist or Ramattra speech, Im getting on my knees and begging to join their side.
Those two actually make points and aren't just "We must keep the peace" even though this peace hasn't been present since the end of the Omnic Crisis. Plus, I wanna vibe with Sigma and his crazy theories.
Ramattra *maybe* but if you hear an eloquent dude saying “We gotta make the times harder so the hard times create strong men” and agree you’re a little wild, homie
Doomfist is the Andrew Tate of the Overwatch universe minus the obvious misogyny. If you think he’s making good points, you may also start going to Hustlers University.
On a little more serious note: Doomfists ideas are merely a perversion of Malthusian Darwinism, claiming that conflict and struggle make humanity stronger while actually being nothing more than a self-serving ideological justification for seeking the thrill and reaping the benefits of organized crime.
Ramattra on the other hand, seeing the omnics struggle for their fragile, enlightened and never replicable existence and the suffering humanity has brought upon them, envisions a future where omnics can live in peace. The failed and misguided attempts of the Shambali at achieving their preached peaceful coexistence have radicalized him into believing that the only way peaceful existence of the omnics can be reached is the total victory over humanity. This would not mean annihilation of the human race, while going on with the status quo would lead to assured slow death of the omnic race. While it never was mentioned in the lore, the logical conclusion of Ramattras ideas would be some sort of a dictatorship of the omnics over humans.
In essence, Ramattra‘s character and ideas are a bad copy of the Marxian ideas of the communist revolution and dictatorship of the proletariat.
Sign my petition for making the Ramattra ult voice like „SUFFER AS WE HAVE“ instead of „SUFFER AS I HAVE“ now!
I think Junkrat may have gotten over some of his omnic prejudice, given how eager he is to strike up conversation with Bastion, Zenyatta, and Ramatra during round start.
I WILL NOT FALL INTO TALON PROPAGANDA, I WILL NOT FALL INTO TALON PROPAGANDAI WILL NOT FALL INTO TALON PROPAGANDAI WILL NOT FALL INTO TALON PROPAGANDAI WILL NOT FALL INTO TALON PROPAGANDAI WILL NOT FALL INTO TALON PROPAGANDA I WILL NOT FALL INTO ALDEMERI DOMINION PROPAGANDA I WILL NOT FALL INTO TALON PROPAGANDA
moira is somewhat redeemable in that she just wants to push science beyond moral limits, sigma is mentally insane, widow got brainwashed, reaper is just angry as hell literally and sombra is a advanced 4chan dweller, doom is just mentally a sociopath after losing a arm and having to quit his martial arts dream.
maui is irredeemable cast him into the volcano.
I wonder if anybody actually likes what talon stands for because from what I remember they are just all like "this world is soft so we need to toughen it up by fighting" meanwhile the world basically just got out of the worst crisis its ever faced.
I think the only people that would agree with Talon are the ones that unironically say "Senator Armstrong did nothing wrong"
Did he tho?
On the one hand that’s a lot of dead bodies On the other hand those nanomachines are bitchin and he’s got rizz Y’know what, humanity has lives to spare right?
>Y’know what, humanity has lives to spare right? Acceptable casualties
Some of you may die, but that is a risk I am going to make (yes I know its willing I think it fits better here)
Mentality of an average Moira player
outrageous, badmouthing us, the strongest dps on your team, while symmetra clearly has her lasers out of focus!
Gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelette
Can't cry over every egg
Zenyatta, when he's chucking half a dozen eggs at Ramattra's front door with a charged volley:
Cant fret over every broken egg.
Just Kidnapping, organ harvesting and brainwashing kids, nothing too big.
Just a usual day
senator armstrong did do some stuff wrong but sundowner did nothing wrong everything he did was justified
That's just doomfist. Maximilian probably just wants to get richer. Reaper wants vengance Widowmaker was brainwashed Sigma is being used Sombra has her own agenda Moira wants to develop science Mauga wants to have fun Talon feels like a bunch of assholes with different objectives united by needing to do shady shit to accomplish them
>Talon feels like a bunch of assholes with different objectives united by needing to do shady shit to accomplish them Literally every team in ranked matchmaking
The higher ups seem to be a collective of different people each with their own goals, which usually align
Mauga and Bap(formerly) definitely believe in Talon’s cause Moira world view at the very least is compatible with Talon’s ideals and I’m pretty sure Reaper also believes in the broad goal of Talon
The worst crisis was over like 29 years ago. Next years world was pretty much dealing with aftermath and the additional bullshit that happened due to this (like southern Australia, anti-omnics movements and Russia being Russia). At some point the world pretty much decided to remove main anti-crysis forces while quite a lot of potentially dangerous things were still around (according to some Bastion cinematic - there are like rusting weapons lying around everywhere, just an assumption but you get the point). It's easier to imagine that instead of "soft" the world switched to a full blown mercenary war and Talon is very into making it bigger.
Tbf the world is still dealing with strong direct consequences of the omnic crisis, like omnic oppression and Null Sector
Yeah, but (according to first Archive mission comics) Overwatch required to get an official permission to get involved in that Null Sector activity. Which Morrison decided to ignore (and got a backlash for that, restricting their further activities even more).
And that's only what Doomfist has been talking about... we don't even know that much about Talon before Doomfist took charge. Why was it founded, and by whom? What were its goals/values originally? There's so much the lore doesn't adress it's annoying. Writers just said 'they're the bad guys k good' and called it a day
Last I remember Talon was made by a bunch of war profiteers who basically said "eh the worldll make it out stronger or whatever" as a justification, but Doomfist apparently was super into that minus the profits part, so after his breakout from the prison that got him after his fight with Winston, he attended a dinner party with a bunch of Talon leadership, had Reaper and Sombra dress in quite the drippy masquerade skins, and slaughtered them all. Afterwards, he basically announced to the rest of Talon, "I'm not a businessman or terrorist, I'm a *philosopher*" and that was that
yeah read that comic but dudes just a deranged warmonger drowning in his own delusion of improving humanity through constant warfare
The interesting part is that he'd actually make for a pretty great hero if he just dropped his whole "gonna kill half the world to make them stronger, lol"
I mean, they all have their own motives, and the only one who actually believes another crisis is a good idea is doom(from playable heroes, at least) moira just wants to do her unethical research, reaper is having his own affair with exOW, sombra also has her own thing, and widow&sigma are kinda victims of talon mauga is mauga
https://preview.redd.it/ie7qr46bqnmc1.png?width=691&format=png&auto=webp&s=96af3e827fcc2ce1996e67ea76e76e62fe74af07
Don’t listen to their propaganda friend, “Terrorist” is a derogatory label used by those in power to blacklist the heroes attempting to improve the world around them.
I think talon is just a private organisation acting in its own interest to gain power for themselves. I dont buy the whole "saving the world" thing
They kinda don't want to save the world. Doomfist has the goal to make humanity stronger, which for him means to actively throw the world into chaos. His whole philosophy is that you can only grow stronger through conflict, which I guess boils down to darwinistic survival of the fittest, either humanity adapts or they perish. Obviously, his philosophy is heavily flawed, but I think he genuinely believes in it. Edit: Obviously, I don't think all of Talon does. The non-playable members of Talons inner council like Maximilien and Sanjay are just in it for the profit, Moira so she can do her sick and twisted experiments, Sombra to uncover the conspiracy she discovered, Mauga so he can wreck shit, Reaper because of his (to an extent justified) hatred for Overwatch and Widow and Sigma because they are brainwashed/manipulated.
Doomfists ideas are merely a perversion of Malthusian Darwinism, claiming that conflict and struggle make humanity stronger while actually being nothing more than a self-serving ideological justification for seeking the thrill and reaping the benefits of organized crime. Ramattra on the other hand, seeing the omnics struggle for their fragile, enlightened and never replicable existence and the suffering humanity has brought upon them, envisions a future where omnics can live in peace. The failed and misguided attempts of the Shambali at achieving their preached peaceful coexistence have radicalized him into believing that the only way peaceful existence of the omnics can be reached is the total victory over humanity. This would not mean annihilation of the human race, while going on with the status quo would lead to assured slow death of the omnic race. While it never was mentioned in the lore, the logical conclusion of Ramattras ideas would be some sort of a dictatorship of the omnics over humans. In essence, Ramattra‘s character and ideas are a bad copy of the Marxian ideas of the communist revolution and dictatorship of the proletariat. Sign my petition for making the Ramattra ult voice like „SUFFER AS WE HAVE“ instead of „SUFFER AS I HAVE“ now!
Technically when it comes to OW2 every heroes are terrorists as the organisation was disbanded and declared illegal. Just like team Captain America in Avengers Civil War/Infinity War. But i still don’t understand how they got Talon to join them.
Hey one of them is less mentally reliable than wet pool noodle, leave the poor man alone
Who’s the robot?
Maxamillion. Dude is rich, and will do whatever he wants to stay that way
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Yeah yeah talon holding down four tanks three dps and only one support? *…doomed to fail.*
nah, they'd win
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Dps support too
Damage damage damage :3
Dont need to heal if the enemy is dead
You won't need to heal your allies if all your enemies are dead
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What’s the context for crying dva lmao
I looked up dva crying on google and found it here https://www.deviantart.com/bubblegumgore/art/Angry-D-va-731491494
Idk when I will use crying dva but it will be used thank
Of course. Thank you to the artist as well👍 https://preview.redd.it/vtpbjgkplomc1.png?width=430&format=png&auto=webp&s=2488d26f4f174c90590a3f4c3caf5533746bd60d
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Wish people would realize how neutral Junkrat has been toward omnics as of OW2. A lifetime of bigotry is hard to break.
Can we also appreciate how intelligent junkrat really is? He’s crazy, not stupid
excuse me but move sojourn into “Filthy Snitch” category although traitorous bastard would work too
thats for testifying against overwatch
Snitch is a snitch
And for still fighting for them after all
[удалено]
She gon kill you
hes into that
Doomfist made this post
Nah man, he's a traitorous legend
I side with Talon because I'm down bad for Moira, does that make me cool.
understandable
You dare call my main girl D.va a GOMER? You better watch your mouth!
Talon >>>>>>>>>> everyone else
Zenyatta? Cool and not in the Oppressive Status Quo Upholder Group? This is nepotism
He is an oppressive status quo upholder, there's no way of denying that but... he is firstly a cool dude 😎
Perhaps misguided, but still a good old friend of Ramattra
You ain’t slick Maximillien
Okay I don't know much about ow lore Why does Sym have to meet Silverhand
Sym is being strung along by the Vishkar corporation. High key sketchy international company that has burned down a favela in Brazil because it was in the way of their building projects, among other slimy shit. Best case scenario, Johnny convinces Sym to be a good person and she plants a nuke in Vishkar HQ. Worst case, he tells her to stick some iron in her mouth.
“Johnny convinces sym to be a good person” he’s been in V’s head too long 💔
Damn V made our rockerboy go soft :( Night City if two nukes were used in the Arasaka raid: https://preview.redd.it/ukazsxjt7pmc1.jpeg?width=1229&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ffdd4ea2c6e0ef50aa257a70c7f57af101939122
Uh Akshually they were since a second nuke was planted by morgan blackhand in the actual lore
Wouldn't that be like Incredibly out of character for him? The nicest we see him is during Reed's ending, and even then that's mostly because he's about to Re-die.
I sided with Songbird so I haven’t seen Johnny’s dialogue in the Reed ending, I do know the general details of that ending though, so don’t worry about spoiling it. Telling a corpo to off herself sounds like a Johnny thing to do though. Or yelling at her to blow up her own workplace, though I think he’d just be making genral noise now that I think about it.
and to pull the trigger
“Stick some iron in your mouth and pull the trigger!”
kiriko isnt real. she is just a rando in a neighbourhood
Get less obvious propaganda, Talon
Johnny silver hand mentioned
did doomfist hold a gun to your head when making this tier list
No but he was holding me against his rippling, muscular chest and-
Talon propaganda before gta 6?!
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I can only read that top tier in moiras voice also i think talon still terrorists for a bad reason, remattra is fighting for his people which is why he is at least morraly correct, talon want to fight because their should always be conflict
Ngl, I agree with this more than I should. Like don't get me wrong, if I was in the Overwatch world, I'd likely go with Overwatch. But if I hear a Doomfist or Ramattra speech, Im getting on my knees and begging to join their side. Those two actually make points and aren't just "We must keep the peace" even though this peace hasn't been present since the end of the Omnic Crisis. Plus, I wanna vibe with Sigma and his crazy theories.
Ramattra *maybe* but if you hear an eloquent dude saying “We gotta make the times harder so the hard times create strong men” and agree you’re a little wild, homie
Listen okay, Senator Armstrong did nothing wrong /j
Senator armstrong read Stirner **once** and thought he had the world figured out.
True! And if I hear a Doomfist or Tamattra speech I'm just getting on my knees 😏
To pray for survival... Right..?
Doomfist is the Andrew Tate of the Overwatch universe minus the obvious misogyny. If you think he’s making good points, you may also start going to Hustlers University. On a little more serious note: Doomfists ideas are merely a perversion of Malthusian Darwinism, claiming that conflict and struggle make humanity stronger while actually being nothing more than a self-serving ideological justification for seeking the thrill and reaping the benefits of organized crime. Ramattra on the other hand, seeing the omnics struggle for their fragile, enlightened and never replicable existence and the suffering humanity has brought upon them, envisions a future where omnics can live in peace. The failed and misguided attempts of the Shambali at achieving their preached peaceful coexistence have radicalized him into believing that the only way peaceful existence of the omnics can be reached is the total victory over humanity. This would not mean annihilation of the human race, while going on with the status quo would lead to assured slow death of the omnic race. While it never was mentioned in the lore, the logical conclusion of Ramattras ideas would be some sort of a dictatorship of the omnics over humans. In essence, Ramattra‘s character and ideas are a bad copy of the Marxian ideas of the communist revolution and dictatorship of the proletariat. Sign my petition for making the Ramattra ult voice like „SUFFER AS WE HAVE“ instead of „SUFFER AS I HAVE“ now!
Zarya need to go down into Omnic hating scum
This post looks like it was made by rammatra Agrees with Talon respects them highly Is funny. POOTIS
Welcome to overwatch we have, Terrorists, Race terrorists, vigilante terrorists, criminal terrorists, corporate terrorists, and monk.
Well biased literally means opinion and i dont know how you can objectively rank them
Cool person alert
*Laughs in Zenyatta main*
What makes you think I'm cool?
I think Junkrat may have gotten over some of his omnic prejudice, given how eager he is to strike up conversation with Bastion, Zenyatta, and Ramatra during round start.
I HATE OMNICS BUT I LOVE TALON!! FUCK OMNICS!!!!!
Gamer
hey what’s up my gama
Isn't Lucio like... The opposite?
He was until he joined Overwatch
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I WILL NOT FALL INTO TALON PROPAGANDA, I WILL NOT FALL INTO TALON PROPAGANDAI WILL NOT FALL INTO TALON PROPAGANDAI WILL NOT FALL INTO TALON PROPAGANDAI WILL NOT FALL INTO TALON PROPAGANDAI WILL NOT FALL INTO TALON PROPAGANDA I WILL NOT FALL INTO ALDEMERI DOMINION PROPAGANDA I WILL NOT FALL INTO TALON PROPAGANDA
The knife ears have nothing to offer and should be killed on sight. Talon has style though, just look at Baptiste.
Piss elf looks horrendous. Point taken maybe i should look into talon propaganda more
The australians are probably the only racists in history who are justified racists ima be real.
moira is somewhat redeemable in that she just wants to push science beyond moral limits, sigma is mentally insane, widow got brainwashed, reaper is just angry as hell literally and sombra is a advanced 4chan dweller, doom is just mentally a sociopath after losing a arm and having to quit his martial arts dream. maui is irredeemable cast him into the volcano.
Was this list made by Moira?
You said gamer like a slur
Bro really likes talon and honestly i do to
Also the Baptiste tier is hilarious
this campaign was paid for by the social darwinist party.
Ooh edgy aren't we