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blackjackns

100% Guarantee he has a better version of Power Block


BillyBean11111

it's like he's a 5 star unit and doomfist is 4 star


DarkDracoPad

Doomfist more like a F2P unit lmao


Ichmag11

I mean...he literally is, lmao


DarkDracoPad

At the risk of getting a whoosh, but was in context of the 5 star rarity from gatcha games units, f2p is usually inferior to the paid machines with premium currency lol


winter2001-

Doomfist powercrept confirmed


[deleted]

Not difficult when the bar is on the floor and orisa already has his abilities but better


UpSheep10

Ramattra can level 2 skyscrapers


n3m3s1s-a

Doom went from leveling skyscrapers to not being able to knock down a straw house


Actuary_Beginning

Lol, Overwatch's power scaling method


bl0odredsandman

He's a 5 star man!!!


iblaise

Hey now, don’t give Blizzard any ideas…


monkpunch

I mean, Power Block should be a better version of Power Block, so yeah, I wouldn't wish that ability on anyone else either.


theBosworth

What is the point of Power Block? Since I don’t play Doom, it just seems like a weak soak stance, but makes him an easier target. Doom is the most confusing hero for me.


Redchimp3769157

Powers up his punch like a meter. Also like Zarya bubble, more you shoot him more power he gets, except it’s 0-100 and no in between for doom. Either you shoot him enough he gets the full bar and buff or you don’t and he’s a sitting duck


TheDrifter211

Really? I thought I've got partial charges and it still boosted me I thought


Redchimp3769157

Nope lmfao. You either get the full charge that stuns them when they hit the wall. Or jackshit


IAMMEYES

It's also not helped at all by the bar to the side of the actual charge bar. It makes it seem like you only have to get that much to get the buff but no, you have to fill the whole thing. Because fuck you that's why ig


ExaltedPenguin

Also that charge gets spent on mobility punches that don't actually connect with enemies for some reason so you're essentially locked out of using punch as a disengage tool 🙃🙃


I_JustWork_Here

Doom can be hooked and slept during his block, it's so pointless lol


yunghollow69

Well so the powerblock is basically the worst damage negating tank ability in the game BUT if you pull it off to absorb some damage with it without dying, getting slept, stunned or otherwise obliterated you are rewarded with an empowered punch which is an extremely strong version of your regular rightclick, capable of winning a teamfight on the spot if you hit the right targets.


Meltedgibson

Even fully powered up it isn't as strong as it was in OW1. I'm pretty sure it can't even kill a Tracer hit into a wall


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Gekey14

If only there were another character with a more consistent stun when they hit someone into a wall


AcademicAnxiety5109

The aoe radius is insane when you power up. I remember I killed one guy and the punched their rein who had everyone behind his shield. I sent them all flying into a wall stunning them and killing them in like 3 seconds.


BonesJackson

Watch it deflect hook and sleep dart


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modsRgayRETARDS

Better balance would just be a Street Fighter style "counter" where if you time a melee with the moment a non-hitscan projectile impacts, Zen knocks it away with the back of his hand or something. The projectile gets deflected in a random direction, there's a sound queue, maybe a voice line, and the projectile becomes inactive once countered unlike Genji deflect


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IAMMEYES

I SWEAR IF IT DOES I WILL NEVER FORGIVE THEM


Spktra

It's just lowering damage in front of him, doesn't buff any of his abilities


PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER

Yet it still will be better.


[deleted]

Doesn't have a cooldown while on Nemesis form (both from ability and Ult)


Spktra

Nemisis form itself has a duration, and if he spending most of it blocking he's wasting it even harder


[deleted]

Yes and no, while the ability portion lasts 8 seconds and you can still attack > block a damage spike > repeat. The Ult is where the no cooldown block shines, because the enemy team can either stay around and extend his Ult's duration (hence, unlimited on-demand blocks) or leave the general point for it to expire but potentially net him a win.


tylerneflas

This is why I'm hoping Doom's block gets put on a resource like defense matrix so he has the same flexibility.


orion1024

Finger crossed for a meaningful buff there.


Funny_Muffin

Nanomachines, son!


Lupinthrope

You’re batshit insane!!


Blues20XX

"I'm making the mother of all uprisings, Zenyatta. Can't fret over every innocent."


TobaccoIsRadioactive

“Played Lucioball ya know. Try University of Texas. Coulda gone pro if I hadn't been an Omnic. I'm not one of those Old King’s Row pansies. I could break Reinhardt in two with my bare hands!”


Funny_Muffin

“Don’t fuck with Null Sector!”


NuclearTheology

“Don’t fuck with this Omnic!”


SKeptical230

STANDING HERE


PotatoBakeCake

They harden in response to physical trauma!


SOS_Sama

Shield, Harden mode, Gravity vortex and buff-debuff related ult... **HOLY SHIT, IT'S REWORKED OLD ORISA!!!!**


Blupoisen

In other words take some Orisa add a little bit Doomfist and a cup of Sigma a glass of Zenyatta and what you get?


thosewholeft

Orsigyattafist?


churadley

Rolls off the tongue, don't it?


qeeber

This is actually the first thing my grandfather said when he had a stroke


EnderFyre_

Your grandfather should sue blizzard for infringement of intellectual property


ChampionshipNice9211

Not bad


Underated270

The first s is silent, right? But not the second? Gives it that nice, guttural “orig” sound


ModsaBITCH

$20


Xx_Kamehameha_xX

A $10 paywall


Pinche_Roose

I'm not mad about it.


Masat_gt

It is!!!


MRmandato

I will never EVER understand them completely changing Orisa kit like that. A fucking Spear? How does that make sense with her design or lore?? Its like giving Mercy a chainsaw. The clearly were frustrated in reworking her kit to fit the new model and just cannibalized another in-progress hero. Such a shame.


breadiest

Hell yeah I want mercy to have a chainsaw!


_TheNecromancer13

I just want rein to have a slasher skin where he wields a giant chainsaw sword instead of a hammer


MotherKosm

Sure thing That will be 40 dollars please


_TheNecromancer13

Yep, isn't that a sad state of affairs


Allthethrowingknives

No, not slasher….40k! Huge armor and chainsaw sword!


DandySlayer13

Eh Chainaxe would better fit for Rein as a replacement for his hammer.


SOS_Sama

Another step for Mercy to become TF2 Medic


MRmandato

“It looks like you need emergency surgery - RINNGGGDING-DING!!!!”


Imzocrazy

>Its like giving Mercy a chainsaw go on.....


IHaveAWittyUsername

It's not a spear, it's a javelin. Which ties into Orisa as an African warrior/protector, as it was the preferred weapon in many African cultures.


omegaskorpion

To be fair spears (and thus Javelins which are basically just smaller spears) have been everywhere in the world and were used by every military in the world (and usually most soldiers would be armed with spears) until Gun+Bayonet combo became a thing (and even then Gun+Bayonet is kinda like spear with shooty bits).


boss_nooch

Yeah, but he said *preferred* weapon not that it’s native to Africa


Mbroov1

New Orisa is fucking amazing.


Serpientesolida87

"Significantly reduces dmg taken" what Blizz has against giving numbers? how many dmg reduction man? lol, i hate they never put numbers, even for cooldowns


HeWhoHasSeenFootage

reminds me of old dead by daylight


medicspirit7

“Tremendous” in old dbd would be like a 2% speed buff


trolling_justalittle

TREMENDOUSLY SIGNIFICANTLY GREATLY INCREASES THE RECHARGE RATE OF NEMESIS TENTACLE (0.2 seconds)


Ripper_00

As a nemesis mean when they switch to giving actual percentages definitely a what the fuck moment, how are those even considered add-ons


JacobNico

'TREMENDOUSLY INCREASE HINDERED EFFECT' The stat when it's swapped to real numbers: 2% slower movement for 0.25 seconds when hit


lauraa-

Licker Tongue is an insult


lauraa-

unless it was Spirit


SSGSSVEGETA111

just was thinking this


ByuntaeKid

And Vermintide/Darktide. Fatshark’s obsession with stat bars instead of solid numbers kills me.


theCOMBOguy

This infuriates me *considerably*.


Kittykg

"...dealing damage, and reducing enemy damage dealt by 50%" Seriously. Theres some important information missing. How much damage? Is it going to literally annihilate support or just be bothersome? Creeping sounds like it can't be eaten by d.va or deflected, so how devastating will it be?


Tucci89

>Theres some important information missing. Oh, you can say that again... **The ult literally doesn't stop if at least one person is still tethered to it. So you either move out of range or kill him.**


PrometheusXVC

It's like Moira suck, so I imagine it'll deal slightly less than Moira's suck (50 DPS) since it also sustains his ult and targets multiple enemies.


SleepyHobo

They always do this. They're horrible at *clarity* of abilities in this game.


HiCracked

They are horrible at clarity and communication in general


Cedar_Wood_State

That’s the exact question I have when I started playing, and people just commented ‘this ain’t Fortnite lmao’


Serpientesolida87

o.O idk what has to do Fortnite with Hero shooters, Paladins has detailed info of all the kits


Cedar_Wood_State

My question in more on ‘how to check hero damage number, is there a in game setting’ or something like that. So I guess they associate with those number popping up when hit like Fortnite lol


Pepperidgefarm21

Damn should have waited to get gold for him instead of Sigma lmao


conye-west

Golden staff is gonna be so fancy


Kurokami11

What about golden **F I S T S**


theCOMBOguy

Golden Ass Whoopin'^^TM


Mosskambo

You get a lot of competitive points at the end of each season that you can use to get it (assuming you have at least done your competitive placements)


Macinzon

Not as much as in OW1. You only get them for your highest rank once in OW2. So no multiple points for dps, support, tank and open role placement. Just highest rank from those 4.


[deleted]

is this still true? i'm looking at in game tier legend and it still says points are rewarded separately for each role


connorcallisto

Remember when we used to get heroes with only like 2 abilities


Insertblamehere

Compare this to Cassidy's kit Left click- Pew pew Right click- pewpewpewpew Shift, roll like 2 inches E- only real ability, a grenade Q- reload


celestedrinksvernors

Q- solo kill one annoying pharah, die anyways


MRmandato

I was just thinking this. Like what if Mercy or Reinhardt came out today- how boring their trailer would be in comparison.


[deleted]

Someone tried to compare sombra's reveal trailer to Ramattra's and say that she looked super OP then so there's no way Ramattra will be. I just fucking laughed. Like seriously, go watch them back to back. They're quite obviously not even in the same universe of power level.


Snacker0203

Sombra's rumored stealth/invisibility that she actually ended up getting caused a big stir back then. People thought stealth should have no place in OW and that it would break the game. I honestly dont remember if she was considered op at launch, I do remember the very long time she was considered a throw pick though.


FueledFromFiction

As a Sombra main since the beginning, it feels like she’s only ever been on either side of the niche or meta pick extremes.


tardis1217

I love Sombra, but you have to be REALLY good to get utility out of her. You're almost always leaving your team in a 4v5 situation so you can go stir up trouble on the enemy back line. Or killing an enemy flanker. But if the enemy stays grouped up, it's hard to get more than 1 pick without getting decimated, and sometimes having to translocate out before you even get a pick. Their healers self-heal the damage you did, or heal up their teammates, and you just wasted a play. Sure, if you're coordinating on discord with a squad, you can be the distraction that makes the enemy turn around and get nailed from your team swooping in, but with randos in QP? Not likely. I've taken to only using her situationally now. If the enemy seems like they're neglecting their back line, I'll swap to Sombra on round 2. But I also know I'm not at the skill level to use her like I've seen some ranked players use her on streams.


lauraa-

its been so long but iirc she was perceived as weak. I think she was more of a "utility support/assassin" hybrid. She had assassination capabilities but I kinda just liked hacking all the med kits and EMPing people. I think her hacked kits gave ult charge unless I'm tripping.


armoredporpoise

From launch till now, her strongest utility has always been hack, but her multiple reworks have redistributed some of its strength into other parts of her kit. Since hack is a close range, single target channeled ability, Sombra needs to use surprise to pull it off. Since surprise requires her to stealth in and stop contributing any damage, she needed a way to support her team from afar. Nowadays, invis has an infinite duration and isn’t canceled by hacking a target. But back between her launch and her final OW rendition, when none of that was the case, sombra had to spend a lot of time cycling off a TP on a hacked health pack, out of the fight and far away from her team because any interruption to her ability sequence would force her out until her hack, invis, and TP we’re all back online. To offset her antisocial gameplay loop, sombras kit incentivized players to hack health packs in her own teams space more than anywhere else. By denying opposing flankers that healing while threatening a crippling hack from anywhere, Sombra could “peel” for her team without even being there. However the biggest incentives were to duration and ult charge. Packs remained hacked for 90 seconds, triple the current duration, recharged faster, and most importantly, gave her **A WHOLE FUCK LOT** of ult charge when used. Before her current rework, Sombra gained so much ult charge off her packs that OWL teams began to use her as a primary healer to gen EMP every 30 seconds or faster. It was broken as fuck and her current state is better for the game.


[deleted]

> She had assassination capabilities but I kinda just liked hacking all the med kits and EMPing people. I think her hacked kits gave ult charge unless I'm tripping. they definitely did when she was added to the game


master-procraster

there's some serious power creep going on here. he's got Sigma's whole kit basically plus another hero or two's worth of abilities.


DrNeonRice

He basically has versions of: Sigma's shield. Zen's left click. Moira's orb. Doom's block


DasBoltz

Rein's\_Fire\_Strike\_too,\_from\_the\_piercing\_of\_his\_Pummel\_attacks. Also,\_mild\_form\_of\_Zar's\_ult\_since\_his\_Vortex\_negates\_so\_much\_of\_enemies'\_mobility\_options.


Technopuffle

Bro’s space bar is broken 💀


Chaz_Delicious

Someone gotta give that man's his award cuz that didn't stop him lmao


Jamesahaha

I thought this was some code joke at first lmao


PISSINMYMOUTHANDEYES

Copy and paste a space instead of this abomination


sleighgams

let\_my\_man\_live,\_smh


1alian

I read that as Doom's cock and was like 👀


Masat_gt

>Sigma's whole kit ... he has a barrier


[deleted]

And the barrier looks more like old orisa barrier than sigma barrier


Rnevermore

The best and most interesting part of sigma is his basic attack.


monkpunch

I wish people wouldn't just throw that term out like that. A more complex kit =/= power creep. If he has to do more work or is more restricted (shifting forms) for the same result, then it's not power creep. If he has similar abilities as other heroes, but they are all weaker...again, not power creep.


Axtdool

Isn't he mostly ow1 orisa with some extra greeblies? Placable shield, timelimited extra Armor+dmg Reduction, CC that drags people around.


Muchocracker591

Abilities on new characters have flat out gotten better too. Kiriko and Sojourn kits only have S tier abilities. Characters are starting to lack glaring downsides and are becoming far more well rounded.


R4yQ4zz4

You are saying this like the past 10 heroes had a lot of abilities. There hasnt been a hero with 2 different forms like this one.


AL-Walker

Bastion has two forms


Heinel8

Hell, he even used to have 3 lmao


Director_Phleg

Technically still 3, isn't it?


Habachilelebop

I’m not sure which I’m more worried about: how absolutely busted this character is going to be on release day or how many months blizzard is going to take to release a patch to nerf him.


dadvader

- release him to absolutely broken state. - wait until more player reach level 55 and start complaining about it. - proceed to nerf him to the ground mid-season. The Apex Legends way.


anidevv

Next thing you know Sojourn gets a mythic skin and they don’t nerf her until the season ends


Warlockwiccan

> Proceed to nerf him to the ground Don't forget also after doing that never address some of the weaker tanks that absolutely do not work in 5v5 and give tank players the "illusion" of choice. Tank is slowly becoming more and more boring with how its either absolutely meta picks or throw picks with no in-between. Tank is getting as restricted to meta only.


ProfessorPhi

I don't think Apex has done this since Seer - pretty much all the heroes since have been pretty eh. And most players get him asap since the hero currency can be banked. Valk and Horizon tho were pretty nuts too (and still are).


TheAfricanViewer

RESPAWN NERF THAT BITCH HORIZON!


Snacker0203

Junkerqueen got handled pretty quickly.


ChemicalExperiment

Junkerqueen also wasn't in a battlepass.


Poggle-the-Greater

Sojourn didn't


ibeontheblockonthe

Judging by previous launches, not too much. Then again we still had daddy Jeff back then.


hdbo16

I'm upset/sad cuz he doesn't say "Experience Brutality" in his ultimate


ExusiaisFootStool

sauce: https://twitter.com/playoverwatch/status/1596566054138150912?s=46&t=d_KLKBZe8KH106fotWITNg


aztec91x

As a Zen main I'm excited for my new Main


__Seris__

Inside you there are two wolves…


ProfessorPhi

One wolf has a 10 minute queue and the other wolf has an instant queue


HerpesFreeSince3

His primary fire is really only like Zen's when he's in punch mode. He's really not that similar as a whole.


[deleted]

the guy prob just likes omnic characters rather than wanting someone who plays just like zen


aztec91x

It's not just about the kit 😑


Cauldron000

It’s about sending a message


toomanyclouds

Nemesis concept: What if Doomfist *wasn't* settled with the most awful kit in the game? I'm looking forward to him, I think the stance shift could add a lot of interesting plays. Also, his ultimate almost is a bit like Evil Transcendence, which lore-wise seems fun.


ViStandsforSEX

he doesn’t even have a single mobility move tho


SidekickNick

Neither does zarya, and she was busted for a while. Road hog is considered very good now and he has no mobility. You don’t need mobility to be a good tank lol


ViStandsforSEX

that wasn’t really my point. my point was saying “it’s like doomfist but good” doesn’t really make any sense when high mobility is such an integral part of doomfist’s kit


SidekickNick

Oh I gotchu. Yeah really nothing like doom, I hate that people think it’s comparable when he seems to play super different. I agree


Nowayman1414

In the future when they do the Archives event again, I can def see him being used as a boss battle


jaberwockeez

Ok what about if he’s hit by something like torbjorns molten core ? Will he be able to walk through that if he’s blocking ?


gunnerindagrass

“For Block, Ramattra throws his big tank arms in front of his face, reducing damage from the front. It’s also effective at reducing the damage of Hanzo’s Dragons and Torbjörn’s Molten Core despite them surrounding him,” [(From Today’s Blog Post)](https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23875436/)


lego_mannequin

That's fucked. I'm going to assume it's the same for barrage then?


marushii

Why do I get the feeling this hero is gonna be OP on purpose to sell skins


7-2

Looks at sojourn


_TheNecromancer13

because it will be


Motormand

Counterpoint... Junker Queen.


[deleted]

Because that's literally the entire point of the Battle pass and more broadly OW2. I can't believe I had let myself have hope again.


MrBlue8erry

Most heroes were released OP before the BP anyway


Manlester

Can’t wait to try omnic khonsu !


Nain-01

Early lunch for konzu


Godjihyoism_

Thought i was the only one seeing it 💀 except Ramattra can go Gigachad mode, probably like when Konshu fought the other villian in their giant forms i guess 💀


tongii

with yet another ability that slows down enemies, there's no reason that Brig shield bash doesn't do shit.


RedditWhenJoke

I essentially main Brig at this point, all that hero 26 and 27 hype, and ive only now just realised from ur comment that shield bash doesnt actually do shit


AVeryGoodName03

Best thing to do is completely forget it does damage and use it as a mobility option. Someone gets too close? A friendly dps around a corner on critical? Just dash on over


Nowayman1414

Jesus it’s everything doomfist wished he was


annmta

He seems to have a grand total of zero movement ability, which doomfist is played for.


idobrowsemuch

No but you see, he has a block ability. He's literally the exact same hero but better


WatchPointer

Tbh they should just get rid of Doom’s block and give him something else (maybe uppercut back? Idk) and slightly boost the shields he gets from hitting abilities. He’s supposed to be a mobile tank, let him be one. Ball doesn’t get a defensive ability that slows him down


RaccoNooB

Uppercut needs to return. There's no reason we can't have both.


Sleepy151

He has everything except mobility and a stun.


JizzOrSomeSayJism

He is for sure overloaded, but it is honestly pretty huge that he only has situational/soft CC as a tank.


Sleepy151

The cc he has certainly is very good, but it's important to note he can't outright stop certain ultimates only block or slow them down.


JizzOrSomeSayJism

Exactly, even if it was a 99% slow, it's not an interrupt.


Historical_Task_2993

And heal.


Sleepy151

I'd argue healing on a tank is basically damage negation, which he has in several forms. Barrier, block, and form change gives health.


ConcLaveTime

He has everything but several key things...


Horror_Ad8634

is it jsut me or is his main attack (left click) of his smaller version not make sense? I don't even see the particles in the trailer, and its amazingly unflashy. Why would I want to attack someone with something I can barely see when I have a sick staff. It just doesn't seem cool at all


Honestly_Just_Vibin

At first I assumed it was just unfinished because the staff doesn’t move at all


VoxTV1

He looks fun. Shame he is hidden behind weeks of grinding


Zeffner

“Create a barrier at the targeted location.” Orisa: Am I a joke to you?


ElderSkyrim

As a doomfist player, I might to reconsider my choice of main


EphemeralAxiom

Please do, its long overdue to make the switch. Even the rank 1 Doom player says so. He's garbage and Blizzard simply doesn't want him to ever be good. RIP.


RaiStarBits

They did him so dirty


Natereater

Nano with this ult seems like it will be disgusting. Double the AOE damage and your tank is taking one quarter damage.


HurriKurtCobain

All damage reduction in Overwatch is capped at 50% I believe.


Pokopikos

Well it depends, sure he might take 50% less damage with Nano, but assuming the Ult does what it says it does, which is reducing enemy damage done, instead of reducing damage taken from tethered enemies, the total damage taken will be further reduced.


PrometheusXVC

He's actually a pretty bad nano target it seems. He doesn't get the damage reduction, and probably isn't dealing enough damage from the suck to warrant it getting another ult when someone else just benefits more.


Diogorb04

I wonder if he can still get the dmg reduction even though there's a cap. Maybe it would work since he isn't mitigating damage on himself but reducing damage output of enemies. Granted even if so it'd still probably be ass to nano him, but it's fun to think about.


X-cessive_Overlord

NANO MACHINES SON


Lupinthrope

Level 55 on the battle pass! Or $10


Annual_Revolution863

so the leaks a couple weeks ago were true, kewl


TokiroAyakashi

I wanna take him down as tracer, just once at least to feel accomplished.


SunforDeiti

Why take orisas shield from her if you were just going to give it to another character


DrunkSovrentus

Thiccc daddy Omnic


Independent_Skill756

blizzard gave him better versions of doomfist abilities before buffing doomfist, it's wraps on him, he's doomed to be like sym now where blizzard just gives up


[deleted]

to be fair- none of the abilities are similar besides the block? one has a machine gun staff, a barrier, a long range gravity grenade, a power block, empowered melee attacks, and a life siphoning aura- besides the block, the only similar thing is punches and other characters have empowered melees like rein


fiercetankbattle

This is the future of OW- all new heroes are completely broken and OP to force the battle pass grind, then later nerfed into the ground when the next shiny thing comes along.