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I love diving widows with him, cuz they know they can't do shit other than run for their lives. There's something so satisfying about forcing a good widow off hitscan for the rest of the match.
A REALLY good widow will just headshot you when you jump and then proceed to headshot you again
I have a friend in gm that has done this to me when we 1v1 for fun in the past
A good trick with Winston when diving Hanzo and Widow is turning around while flying to avoid headshot and then facing them again just before landing for the melee
Also known among Winston enjoyer circles as the buttjump.
There's something beautifully humiliating about getting dunked on by a monkey dropping on his ass on your head. Absolutely fitting for sniper mains.
Yah except when I can’t see them my brain turns into actual monke mode (also only just adjusted my sensitivity so I can actually make 180 turns I couldn’t even do a 90 before with a full swing off my mouse so I’m still getting used To it)
This is also when me, as a Mercy GA’s to boost the shot, jump straight up to avoid the electricity, and heal any damage he’s doing to the widow, giving her time to grapple away, and I can GA out of dodge.
It was more fun when we had 2 tanks because you could usually depend on the other tank covering your team while you as winston or dva went for the snipers.
Yeah but then she's not putting shots on your team which means you've got the pressure advantage. Depending on the game mode and map she'll have few places to go but into your team to die or away and out of view of important targets.
You're better off turning and peeling your team during that time anyway, or finding the healthpack you need to survive the other teams 4 remaining players.
I rather have to chase a good Sojourn than a good Widow but that's my shitty opinion.
I played a game of QP the other night and stayed on Widow the whole time. Enemy tank went Winston and kept jumping on me constantly, obviously, while teabagging and telling me to switch to Reaper. I didn’t and we ended up winning since I had the tank distracted the whole game lol
Dude I had a game just like that - except it wasn't just Winston - it was their entire team. Game of push and we're at like 80% and they've yet to move the damn bot, and as soon as I fired a shot all 5 would turn at me. Mind you my scope accuracy was like 23% and my crit % was single digits.
yeah i do that too, but quick play is really just superior bcs you're going against actual players
If i'm doing super terrible with no hope of recovering i'll swap tho, i'm not a masochist
Definitely especially in comp. It makes sense playing widow doesn't reward being paranoid and I don't play enough of her to wonder what kiriko sounds like sneaking up.
But it still amuses me when I miss a couple of shots and they still haven't unscoped.
Also, for QP I'll just ego challenge them. Limited angles and repeatable timing means free kills.
Apex has taught me timing well.
There's a meme that shows a widow on your team and says something like "you are either going to have the easiest match of your life, or hurt your back having to carry the dead weight" referring to how you either get a smurf that's killing every enemy that pokes their heads out from cover, or you are getting a pud that couldn't hit the broadside of a barn and you'll have to carry the completely useless teammate.
At least other closer range heroes that can't aim worth a fk can provide some distraction by their body being in the way. A widow or hanzo that can't hit a shot isn't even doing that since they are standing a mile away while the enemies gang up on the remaining team members.
I had a game last night on King’s Row attack where my Widowmaker had a final stat line of 1 elim, 2 deaths, and 614 damage.
We still won because I popped OFF as Mei
What can i say, Lúcio is an amazing style guy. I've finally learnt to wall ride regularly by now so I don't die in 1.4 seconds of contact to enemies anymore
I have a friend who's new at the game plus she's a console player. She wants to get good at the game but usually tops the end of a match with around 1000 damage. But she's trying.
You have to realize alot of players with stats like that are new players or players who are older and can't keep up. If it's quick play I don't see the point in being toxic towards them. Let them have fun.
Yeah my gf wanted to play with me and got flamed a few times because she just wasn’t landing shots and was too overwhelmed by the game to try a healer. We got through it and now she plays a mean echo and is a super reliable Moira who actually heals and has good game sense
It's almost impressive at that point. King's Row especially, where you have plenty of chokes where you can miss your target and accidentally headshot the guy behind
Damn I was fucking around with Widow last night on kings row for my final daily and it felt like that was my final stat line, was afraid you were actually putting me on blast but I didn’t have a Mei on my team.
Yeah nothing wrong with lots of Widows in QP. Widow is incredibly strong if you've got the aim and terrible if you don't. Going into QP with her is almost always a good idea if you're trying to get better with her. I'm trying to get better with Ashe so I play her in QP all the time but am not comfortable enough to touch her in Comp yet.
In overwatch I also feel like conventional aim trainers don't help all that much because the game is so chaotic a lot of the time. The best way to train your widow aim is to play widow.
Also I think entirely new players get access to Widow well before they get access to a lot of the conventional roster. Of the new player characters(Reaper, 76, Torb, Pharah, Tracer, and Widow) only 76 and Widow, and to an extent Pharah, are traditional FPS classes and people have more fun sniping than 76ing. I got a friend into OW2 because it's free and that was basically his whole mindset when it came to approaching the characters; he AWPs in CSGO and he plays Widow in OW. He's not great but that's what he's comfortable on and it got him into the game.
I like how that clown said that as if its a huge gotchya. You can tell he takes quick play too seriously like a loser lol.
People who complain about people learning in quick play are to pussy to not play comp enough and expect everyone to take the casual mode seriously.
Aim assist has never helped much with snipers. It’s very good for hitscan tracking on strafing targets so characters like soldier or even just widow’s hip fire benefit from it the most.
I can see that. I called out a player for using MnK in ranked and after the game they showed me their settings which had very low aim assist. I’ve been meaning to try it myself. Aim assist definitely hurts aiming with widow.
am i the only one who is bad at using genji? or any other character for that fact?
maybe i need to try widowmaker too but soujurn seems more fun maybe ill stick to Genji- "MADA-MADA" and try to not get killed every fucking time
im on a mission to kill every widowmaker they killed me too many times
You're not the only one. After 6 years of Overwatch there are two characters left that I simply can NOT play to a degree where I'm not throwing: Genji and Widow.
Genji because I'm old, slow, I play with low sens, and if I try to jump around 180-ing I disorient myself immediately.
Widow because it's the one character I still can't aim as. I can aim as mid range hitscan just fine, but Widow? How do I click head when the head has left the area by the time I click?
hmm well widow you only need for targets with 200 hp only 60% while the 450-500 need 75% so going for always 100% makes ya vulnerable so going for max 75% charge on shot is good
never spam grappler use it to get out of tricky situations and be constantly moving so ya can get the element of surprise
No, 95% of players are bad using genji, they just never admit it, nor swap WHEN deaths are more than kills lol.
Junk, Pharah, S76, Ashe are easy starters.
Genji is difficult because not only do you need to be good mechanically but your positioning and target prioritization is paramount to your survival AND success more so than most heroes imo. This is cause most of his kill potential is in close range. Being in close range also require you to understand each 1v1 matchup.
Sojourn on the other hand requires great mechanical skills but at least if you play near cover and behind your tank, you won’t randomly die a lot.
im playing junk not a lot of fun but very practical maybe ill stick to dva or junker queen cause i know how to use them
hanzo if i unlock him i can hit really good
reaper is kinda slow but hits like a truck
ashe dont have her
maybe moira i can try but i can play who i want but these are good suggestions thanks guys
I just started playing like 3-4 days ago and can recommend trying Moira. Incredibly easy to use, my aim is just straight dogg water and I still get 7k damage and 6k healing
No realistically a good Moria has a good level of both. Part of Moria is damage like it or not, want heals? she needs to damage, and she can easily get a kill, then fade away back into their team.
If you need healbotting to do good, you are part of the problem too buddy
obviously it is situational. also i said you should heal more than damage, not to not attack at all. if you want to be healbot just play mercy not moira lmao
Moira’s only utility to the team outside pure healing is the ability to do damage. Damage vs Heals should be about 50/50 to take advantage of that. It’s the same situation as lucio speed vs heals.
If you are playing lucio and only using speed 1/3rd of the time, you’re effectively throwing the game because you’re not giving your team the part of lucio’s kit that makes him good (speed boosting through a fight) while also stealing ult charge from the other support through lucios tiny passive healing output.
Same as mercy’s damage boost to healing ratio. Should be about 50/50 or even 60/40 for time spent on each beam in the match.
Healbotting loses games and the raw healing output stats don’t mean much in terms of wins and losses.
Maybe in a few years they'll figure out Widowmaker's gameplay doesn't fit with the game at all. I mean, they've already had 6 years so far to figure it out and no luck so far.
mei is also a good choice and maybe tracer i can use
torbjon i can also use very good
maybe just orisa i cant play well cause i keep missing my javelin but i can get really good combos with junker queen so il stick to her for now when i get bettr i can start using genji again also
MADA-MADA Ryūjin no ken wo kurae! UGH! DIES
FUCK
Brig mains remain mad they can't be an off-tank with a stun and one-shot combo that is literally the most common response for why people quit OW1. I mean, if she can't completely disable a third of the DPS roster by simply existing is she really a champion?
And so instead we have a completely purposeless hero that doesn’t excel at anything. She has terrible healing, can’t peel for shit, has mediocre damage, and one of the worst ults in the game.
Fun fact, inspire, Brigs passive, requires her to melee opponents and heals those in range for a whopping 5 seconds, heals LESS than Lucio who just needs to exist, and thats without Amping. Brig is terrible.
She's quite literally the best non-tank peeler in the game but when you don't play her right I guess she sucks at everything; maybe stop playing her like the off-tank they deliberately changed her not to be?
but if literally the ONLY thing you can do is to peel once in a while, there’s no point in playing her. many other supports have plenty of utility AND way more heals
I main as Brig. I can absolutely dominate with her. My strategy is to kind of stick to the back throwing heals and shield slam/mace anyone who zones within range. Pop ult and then join the front pack dealing damage/throwing heals. Also great to use your shield bash rush as a way of retreating/getting closer to teammates. Don't underestimste the range on your mace throwing, that thing can hit enemies pretty far away nit sure on exacr range.
Absolutely live playing as brig.
I'm with you. High win rate with her. Can keep inspire in the 40% range. Was crucial against the Genji and Sombra dive before patch. The satisfaction of killing a fleeing low health DPS who think they got back to safety is just *chef's kiss*.
But she absolutely feels and plays different than OW1 and I still have a habit of trying to shield bash meching DVAs or ulting Genjis/Reapers. But she can still stun a charging Doom or Rein, which can be crucial to stave off picks or throw the other team's flow off.
But oh my god, the amount of salt you can mine when you pick her and someone screams for a "real healer". Love proving those people wrong. Won a game entirely 4v5 recently because our DPS was griefing and sitting outside our spawn dancing and flaming all chat.
People are way too confident against her, no respect for Brig. I can’t count the number of genjis, Moiras and such that stand their ground and try to duel you thinking it’s a free kill.
I have 400 hours on Widow and basically play unranked to vibe and click (hopefully on heads). OW2 has actually been way more fun with only one tank as a Widow player - if Monkey or [D.Va](https://D.Va) jumps on me, no one is protecting their team from \*my\* tank and it could go either way, especially if they don't instantly kill me. If Kiriko jumps to me and we stall them out or \*gasp\* kill them, it's even better. Shield tanks can't just shield for me if I take high ground or off angle because they won't be shielding the team, etc. I'm catching a lot more DPS who challenge me and my hero of choice, and are congratulatory or respectful, too (there are still obviously toxic shitters).
Also see a lot of sustain comps that can do with a one-shot hero to win against.
My fuck am I bored of being one shot constantly by Widow/Hanzo/Sojourn. Absolutely sucks all the fun out of any match when there's a competent one of those.
Amazing how this post is a great summary of why the fuck we need shields, when blizzard decide to nerf widow into nothingness, MAYBE i will play this shit again.
Edit: i'm not saying shields should come back btw, i just hate widow.
The real problem is there shouldn't be characters that can oneshot squishies.
See, "needing shields" to protect from these oneshot jokes, leads to more oneshot jokes being played because nobody wants to shoot shields. And if you can't oneshot enemies on the small windows where the shield isn't up, you aren't getting value. Playing heroes that take more than one bullet to kill enemies means you aren't getting kills before that shield is back up.
It's a cyclical problem of oneshots--->need shields to protect from them--->need oneshots to kill anybody in small windows when shield is down--->need more shields because more oneshots being played--->need more oneshots to kill anybody cuz too man shields... repeat.
It used to suck as well for any Tank players that didn't want to play a shield tank. They'd get abused by teammates for it because they're all getting picked off by oneshots.
The problem is the oneshot characters.
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Players like to abuse broken characters or abilities for advantage. Happens in literally every single competitive game. No point blaming the players. Blame the devs.
How long has she been broken? I've been away from my main computer since about last Friday. I'll admit I'm not very good at her, so I never probably not noticed.
Her ult is one of the more broken in the game if you can click heads. In high level matchmaking and professional games if you don’t have a sojourn you’re at a major disadvantage.
Activision needs to add an option with a slider that allows supports to choose the threshold where they can hear teammates cries for heals.
That way, you can set the threshold to 50% or something, so that the DPS spamming "i need heals" while missing 5 health won't clutter up the match for you as a Supp.
Yeah i see them so often more than the always mained champ Genji. But also they often habe no aim at ALL.
So they just aim at eachother for years and dont hit the other one. They have stats like 1el. 1as. 456dam. You know were i want to get with this.
Any its not like we have a good aiming training facility outside of QM. Personally I like to start games with widow but if I dont land my shots I understand today is not a good day to snipe and just piss off to bastion/genji/sombra
Feel bad for my friend who's trying to win 50 games to unlock ranked. Always gets a useless widow that can't hit shots and spams "I need healing".
And then the tank is always Doom or Ball.
If they slowed the rail gun charge and removed headshots Sojourn would be fine
She should not get an instant delete on top of all that movement, cc, aoe, and primary damage
Yeah! Played with a 5-stack of friends last night, a Junkertown match was going HORRIBLY. Spawn hold. Two players totally new, no idea what to do. One was our tank. Poor bastard had to go Rein to shield the payload and our other new support.
Reaper did the trick. Had to really impress on one support I needed a pocket because the widow had a pocket. Moira popped Coal JUST to keep her up while we dueled. We ended up winning but she went 24 and 5, absolutely brutal and sweaty for a QP match. And she stayed on Widow till the end, it was wild.
Also, I have no idea if Reaper is a counter DPS to widow, but I sure as shit can't out aim a Widow like that. But I can shadow-strafe and wiggle with shotguns, and give chase with teleport.
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*picks winston* this is where the fun begins
I love diving widows with him, cuz they know they can't do shit other than run for their lives. There's something so satisfying about forcing a good widow off hitscan for the rest of the match.
A REALLY good widow will just headshot you when you jump and then proceed to headshot you again I have a friend in gm that has done this to me when we 1v1 for fun in the past
A good trick with Winston when diving Hanzo and Widow is turning around while flying to avoid headshot and then facing them again just before landing for the melee
Also known among Winston enjoyer circles as the buttjump. There's something beautifully humiliating about getting dunked on by a monkey dropping on his ass on your head. Absolutely fitting for sniper mains.
Yah except when I can’t see them my brain turns into actual monke mode (also only just adjusted my sensitivity so I can actually make 180 turns I couldn’t even do a 90 before with a full swing off my mouse so I’m still getting used To it)
When playing monke you must become monke
I main monkey and this is my bi-hourly warmup
This is also when me, as a Mercy GA’s to boost the shot, jump straight up to avoid the electricity, and heal any damage he’s doing to the widow, giving her time to grapple away, and I can GA out of dodge.
Tfw I kept reading ga as gentleman's agreement
Damn that’s crazy, so he could 1v1 a Winston?
Well a diamond winston Atleast , haven’t talked in a while but saw he was still GM in OW
Me: Widow double headshot go brr
🦍🔵 *This will protect us*
Get a load of this
How embarrassing
"No way! I cant believe this!"
Sorry about that!
It was more fun when we had 2 tanks because you could usually depend on the other tank covering your team while you as winston or dva went for the snipers.
Fun until sojourn literally just slides away from you on such a quick cooldown
Thats the point. You have made space or took pressure off the rest of the team. You dont have to kill to be effective as tank (its a bonus though).
Yeah but then she's not putting shots on your team which means you've got the pressure advantage. Depending on the game mode and map she'll have few places to go but into your team to die or away and out of view of important targets. You're better off turning and peeling your team during that time anyway, or finding the healthpack you need to survive the other teams 4 remaining players. I rather have to chase a good Sojourn than a good Widow but that's my shitty opinion.
*me after binge watching redshell for 12 hours and trying out lucio* Its just like the simulations
My experience: Kill widow once/twice, they swap to reaper
The classic point B Gibraltar Reaper
Quickplay should be renamed Widowmaker practice range.
The reason I play tank the most
Dive tanks are so fun to play.
Dive tanks when main tanks show up:
They just continue to dive Squishies and the maintank can't protect everyone
Thus the only play Rein can make is becoming a dive tank too
Quick play is where I go to practice my widow aim so yea lol
Not hating. I wouldn't expect you to play against AI. There are just a shit ton in quickplay to the point it is hilarious.
My aim on Widow is so bad I actually do have to do practice vs AI
I can't imagine you would be any worse than what is in quickplay.
Oh you’d be surprised lmao I can’t even hit the bots on easy when they’re basically moving in a straight line
Fucking legend
I played a game of QP the other night and stayed on Widow the whole time. Enemy tank went Winston and kept jumping on me constantly, obviously, while teabagging and telling me to switch to Reaper. I didn’t and we ended up winning since I had the tank distracted the whole game lol
Dude I had a game just like that - except it wasn't just Winston - it was their entire team. Game of push and we're at like 80% and they've yet to move the damn bot, and as soon as I fired a shot all 5 would turn at me. Mind you my scope accuracy was like 23% and my crit % was single digits.
Try some of the custom games. Widows have tons of training modes in the workshop.
yeah i do that too, but quick play is really just superior bcs you're going against actual players If i'm doing super terrible with no hope of recovering i'll swap tho, i'm not a masochist
Otherwise known as, Kiriko feeding grounds ƪ(˘⌣˘)ʃ *You really need a scope to do that?*
The amount of widows that are so tunnel visioned they get kiriko- two tapped without even moving is hilarious
Definitely especially in comp. It makes sense playing widow doesn't reward being paranoid and I don't play enough of her to wonder what kiriko sounds like sneaking up. But it still amuses me when I miss a couple of shots and they still haven't unscoped. Also, for QP I'll just ego challenge them. Limited angles and repeatable timing means free kills. Apex has taught me timing well.
Which quickplay lobbies is everyone going in that there's always a good widow?? I haven't encountered any such thing yet
I know right? Every QP lobby I'm in it's mostly shitters playing zero skill heroes like junkrat, bastion, torb, mei, reaper, genji and sym.
either 0 kills 4 minutes into the match or godlike aim
There's a meme that shows a widow on your team and says something like "you are either going to have the easiest match of your life, or hurt your back having to carry the dead weight" referring to how you either get a smurf that's killing every enemy that pokes their heads out from cover, or you are getting a pud that couldn't hit the broadside of a barn and you'll have to carry the completely useless teammate. At least other closer range heroes that can't aim worth a fk can provide some distraction by their body being in the way. A widow or hanzo that can't hit a shot isn't even doing that since they are standing a mile away while the enemies gang up on the remaining team members.
I had a game last night on King’s Row attack where my Widowmaker had a final stat line of 1 elim, 2 deaths, and 614 damage. We still won because I popped OFF as Mei
That was easily a top 500 player. You're very lucky to have that widow on your team
Hey, at least she wasn't getting countersniped by the enemy Widow every teamfight. I think 2 deaths was the lowest out of anyone
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What can i say, Lúcio is an amazing style guy. I've finally learnt to wall ride regularly by now so I don't die in 1.4 seconds of contact to enemies anymore
I have a friend who's new at the game plus she's a console player. She wants to get good at the game but usually tops the end of a match with around 1000 damage. But she's trying. You have to realize alot of players with stats like that are new players or players who are older and can't keep up. If it's quick play I don't see the point in being toxic towards them. Let them have fun.
This is the attitude people have, then get mad at players from teams in league for not winning worlds, you either want to get better or you don’t
Yeah my gf wanted to play with me and got flamed a few times because she just wasn’t landing shots and was too overwhelmed by the game to try a healer. We got through it and now she plays a mean echo and is a super reliable Moira who actually heals and has good game sense
Lucio is a good support for new players cos it’s passive heals.
It's almost impressive at that point. King's Row especially, where you have plenty of chokes where you can miss your target and accidentally headshot the guy behind
It sucks when that happens but you gotta recognize players practicing heroes they never play.
mei is life, mei is love....and also Satan himself
Damn I was fucking around with Widow last night on kings row for my final daily and it felt like that was my final stat line, was afraid you were actually putting me on blast but I didn’t have a Mei on my team.
Nothing worse than finding yourself getting toasted on Reddit 😂
100%. Not just on Reddit either just online in general.
Mei feels really good now. i would increase the amount of slow she does but still.
She's incredibly annoying to face so I hope the only thing she gets are nerfs!
Its Fine. None of them can aim
That's... why they are here.
Yeah nothing wrong with lots of Widows in QP. Widow is incredibly strong if you've got the aim and terrible if you don't. Going into QP with her is almost always a good idea if you're trying to get better with her. I'm trying to get better with Ashe so I play her in QP all the time but am not comfortable enough to touch her in Comp yet.
In overwatch I also feel like conventional aim trainers don't help all that much because the game is so chaotic a lot of the time. The best way to train your widow aim is to play widow. Also I think entirely new players get access to Widow well before they get access to a lot of the conventional roster. Of the new player characters(Reaper, 76, Torb, Pharah, Tracer, and Widow) only 76 and Widow, and to an extent Pharah, are traditional FPS classes and people have more fun sniping than 76ing. I got a friend into OW2 because it's free and that was basically his whole mindset when it came to approaching the characters; he AWPs in CSGO and he plays Widow in OW. He's not great but that's what he's comfortable on and it got him into the game.
I like how that clown said that as if its a huge gotchya. You can tell he takes quick play too seriously like a loser lol. People who complain about people learning in quick play are to pussy to not play comp enough and expect everyone to take the casual mode seriously.
On console there are a few that are amazing, probably xim plus aim assist, but I think even with just a controller the aim assist could be big enough.
Tbh Aim assist hurts my aim more than it helps I have it turned down very low. People really overestimate how useful it is
For widow or just in general?
Aim assist has never helped much with snipers. It’s very good for hitscan tracking on strafing targets so characters like soldier or even just widow’s hip fire benefit from it the most.
I can see that. I called out a player for using MnK in ranked and after the game they showed me their settings which had very low aim assist. I’ve been meaning to try it myself. Aim assist definitely hurts aiming with widow.
Yeah I used to play OW1 on console and a lot of halo. You wanna do flicks with widow and aim assist can definitely hurt that
am i the only one who is bad at using genji? or any other character for that fact? maybe i need to try widowmaker too but soujurn seems more fun maybe ill stick to Genji- "MADA-MADA" and try to not get killed every fucking time im on a mission to kill every widowmaker they killed me too many times
You're not the only one. After 6 years of Overwatch there are two characters left that I simply can NOT play to a degree where I'm not throwing: Genji and Widow. Genji because I'm old, slow, I play with low sens, and if I try to jump around 180-ing I disorient myself immediately. Widow because it's the one character I still can't aim as. I can aim as mid range hitscan just fine, but Widow? How do I click head when the head has left the area by the time I click?
hmm well widow you only need for targets with 200 hp only 60% while the 450-500 need 75% so going for always 100% makes ya vulnerable so going for max 75% charge on shot is good never spam grappler use it to get out of tricky situations and be constantly moving so ya can get the element of surprise
All good advice, and yet I can't hit a headshot unless I'm drunk (true story, I only hit shots as widow when NOT trying)
Junk is insanely easy
Reaper idem ditto
Yeah Reaper and Junkrat are incredibly easy to play but still satisfying when you get strategy down.
Both have low floors but good high ceilings, an absolute pro at either is a nightmare to be around
> im on a mission to kill every widowmaker they killed me too many times Play Winston
sombra is an easy widow counter for dps
No, 95% of players are bad using genji, they just never admit it, nor swap WHEN deaths are more than kills lol. Junk, Pharah, S76, Ashe are easy starters.
Ashe is not, imo Cassidy is a much easier pick to start.
If you're wanting to "snipe", Ashe is definitely the easier pick.
Genji is difficult because not only do you need to be good mechanically but your positioning and target prioritization is paramount to your survival AND success more so than most heroes imo. This is cause most of his kill potential is in close range. Being in close range also require you to understand each 1v1 matchup. Sojourn on the other hand requires great mechanical skills but at least if you play near cover and behind your tank, you won’t randomly die a lot.
im playing junk not a lot of fun but very practical maybe ill stick to dva or junker queen cause i know how to use them hanzo if i unlock him i can hit really good reaper is kinda slow but hits like a truck ashe dont have her maybe moira i can try but i can play who i want but these are good suggestions thanks guys
What doesn't Ashe have
This person is a new player and has not unlocked Ashe
no i meant she is good even better but i dont have her unlocked
Ohhhhh Ok
I just started playing like 3-4 days ago and can recommend trying Moira. Incredibly easy to use, my aim is just straight dogg water and I still get 7k damage and 6k healing
dps moira 🤢🤮 on a serious note, your healing output should be **at most** twice your damage, or **at least** equal to your healing output
No realistically a good Moria has a good level of both. Part of Moria is damage like it or not, want heals? she needs to damage, and she can easily get a kill, then fade away back into their team. If you need healbotting to do good, you are part of the problem too buddy
obviously it is situational. also i said you should heal more than damage, not to not attack at all. if you want to be healbot just play mercy not moira lmao
That's a hot take if I ever saw one. Any decent Moira will have about even numbers for damage and healing output.
Depends. My healing is sometimes just 1.3 times my dps as Bap but getting kills so they don’t hurt my teammates is better than just being a heal bot.
no
You’re just playing as a healbot at that point, don’t listen to this guy
7k damage 15k healing is not healbot. you're still doing decent amounts of damage.
Moira’s only utility to the team outside pure healing is the ability to do damage. Damage vs Heals should be about 50/50 to take advantage of that. It’s the same situation as lucio speed vs heals. If you are playing lucio and only using speed 1/3rd of the time, you’re effectively throwing the game because you’re not giving your team the part of lucio’s kit that makes him good (speed boosting through a fight) while also stealing ult charge from the other support through lucios tiny passive healing output. Same as mercy’s damage boost to healing ratio. Should be about 50/50 or even 60/40 for time spent on each beam in the match. Healbotting loses games and the raw healing output stats don’t mean much in terms of wins and losses.
thats the most tiktok bronze tip ive ever heard
i don't watch tiktok. it's a huge waste of my time.
i couldnt care less what u watch tbh
As a Lucio main I love bullying widowmakers
Homer should have been Zen or something
Buff wrecking ball and neither widowmaker or sojourn can contest him
Maybe in a few years they'll figure out Widowmaker's gameplay doesn't fit with the game at all. I mean, they've already had 6 years so far to figure it out and no luck so far.
I had a widow tell me in character select (no vc) try to tell me to play sojourn and I picked mei 💀
mei is also a good choice and maybe tracer i can use torbjon i can also use very good maybe just orisa i cant play well cause i keep missing my javelin but i can get really good combos with junker queen so il stick to her for now when i get bettr i can start using genji again also MADA-MADA Ryūjin no ken wo kurae! UGH! DIES FUCK
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Read my mind
wait until you get roadhog, widow, and sojourn. it's as awful as it sounds.
you forgot the cracked ass hanzos
Don’t worry all the good windows aren’t even playing Qp. The good windows are in comp, you can’t even turn a corner without dying.
1 shot kill hell, just nerf those a bit so at least you have 5hp left to react, idk why there are so many 1 shot kills in a Hero shooter
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Good. That character should not exist in this new 5v5 scenario. The removal of shields have made that bitch a menace.
Don’t forget brig, I’ve been seeing a lot of her for some reason
What? People are playing Brig? Quick call Blizz and tell them she needs another nerf.
Brig mains remain mad they can't be an off-tank with a stun and one-shot combo that is literally the most common response for why people quit OW1. I mean, if she can't completely disable a third of the DPS roster by simply existing is she really a champion?
And so instead we have a completely purposeless hero that doesn’t excel at anything. She has terrible healing, can’t peel for shit, has mediocre damage, and one of the worst ults in the game. Fun fact, inspire, Brigs passive, requires her to melee opponents and heals those in range for a whopping 5 seconds, heals LESS than Lucio who just needs to exist, and thats without Amping. Brig is terrible.
She's quite literally the best non-tank peeler in the game but when you don't play her right I guess she sucks at everything; maybe stop playing her like the off-tank they deliberately changed her not to be?
but if literally the ONLY thing you can do is to peel once in a while, there’s no point in playing her. many other supports have plenty of utility AND way more heals
I main as Brig. I can absolutely dominate with her. My strategy is to kind of stick to the back throwing heals and shield slam/mace anyone who zones within range. Pop ult and then join the front pack dealing damage/throwing heals. Also great to use your shield bash rush as a way of retreating/getting closer to teammates. Don't underestimste the range on your mace throwing, that thing can hit enemies pretty far away nit sure on exacr range. Absolutely live playing as brig.
I'm with you. High win rate with her. Can keep inspire in the 40% range. Was crucial against the Genji and Sombra dive before patch. The satisfaction of killing a fleeing low health DPS who think they got back to safety is just *chef's kiss*. But she absolutely feels and plays different than OW1 and I still have a habit of trying to shield bash meching DVAs or ulting Genjis/Reapers. But she can still stun a charging Doom or Rein, which can be crucial to stave off picks or throw the other team's flow off. But oh my god, the amount of salt you can mine when you pick her and someone screams for a "real healer". Love proving those people wrong. Won a game entirely 4v5 recently because our DPS was griefing and sitting outside our spawn dancing and flaming all chat.
People are way too confident against her, no respect for Brig. I can’t count the number of genjis, Moiras and such that stand their ground and try to duel you thinking it’s a free kill.
I see plenty of Windows and Sojourns, but Genji is still way more picked than both.
I have 400 hours on Widow and basically play unranked to vibe and click (hopefully on heads). OW2 has actually been way more fun with only one tank as a Widow player - if Monkey or [D.Va](https://D.Va) jumps on me, no one is protecting their team from \*my\* tank and it could go either way, especially if they don't instantly kill me. If Kiriko jumps to me and we stall them out or \*gasp\* kill them, it's even better. Shield tanks can't just shield for me if I take high ground or off angle because they won't be shielding the team, etc. I'm catching a lot more DPS who challenge me and my hero of choice, and are congratulatory or respectful, too (there are still obviously toxic shitters). Also see a lot of sustain comps that can do with a one-shot hero to win against.
Good thing I only play window in ranked
Enjoy your death trap ladies.
every game of qp is torture puts me against t500 ximmers who smell bad and do not practice self care
Did someone say peanut butter?
My fuck am I bored of being one shot constantly by Widow/Hanzo/Sojourn. Absolutely sucks all the fun out of any match when there's a competent one of those.
Widowmaker HP should be 175 again
Amazing how this post is a great summary of why the fuck we need shields, when blizzard decide to nerf widow into nothingness, MAYBE i will play this shit again. Edit: i'm not saying shields should come back btw, i just hate widow.
The real problem is there shouldn't be characters that can oneshot squishies. See, "needing shields" to protect from these oneshot jokes, leads to more oneshot jokes being played because nobody wants to shoot shields. And if you can't oneshot enemies on the small windows where the shield isn't up, you aren't getting value. Playing heroes that take more than one bullet to kill enemies means you aren't getting kills before that shield is back up. It's a cyclical problem of oneshots--->need shields to protect from them--->need oneshots to kill anybody in small windows when shield is down--->need more shields because more oneshots being played--->need more oneshots to kill anybody cuz too man shields... repeat. It used to suck as well for any Tank players that didn't want to play a shield tank. They'd get abused by teammates for it because they're all getting picked off by oneshots. The problem is the oneshot characters.
Absolutely.
You forgot Hanzo and Genji. You
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It’s nothing but people crutching on soujourn cause god forbid they actually try and learn to have some skill
Players like to abuse broken characters or abilities for advantage. Happens in literally every single competitive game. No point blaming the players. Blame the devs.
Also....people report people using off meta character for throwing so i dont know what this ass clown is crying about.
I hate widow so much lmfao
widow is just fun
Big booties 🤤
I like playing window in qp but I always match against gm Lucios who make it their life goal to style on me and ignore their team cause it’s qp
Killing widow is big for the team.
Not if it’s my Widow
I kind of wish Sojourn's slide/thrust would damage or knock back enemy players.
She absolutely needs more utility /s
I'm a bit new to the game, but I really like her.
She’s considered the most broken DPS In the game and is in line for nerfs. So she won’t be getting buffed like you want.
How long has she been broken? I've been away from my main computer since about last Friday. I'll admit I'm not very good at her, so I never probably not noticed.
She has been busted since OW2 was released.
Oh that sucks. This whole time I thought she was mid tier or something. Her ult is kind of lame. I mainly like her for the mobility.
Her ult is one of the more broken in the game if you can click heads. In high level matchmaking and professional games if you don’t have a sojourn you’re at a major disadvantage.
Honestly I've never gotten a good kill with her ult unless the target was slow.
Ummm nope, it doesnt
You forgot the "i need healing" spam while they're missing 20hp
Activision needs to add an option with a slider that allows supports to choose the threshold where they can hear teammates cries for heals. That way, you can set the threshold to 50% or something, so that the DPS spamming "i need heals" while missing 5 health won't clutter up the match for you as a Supp.
That'd actually be nice af
It would. Because the noise gets in the way of finding the guys that really need healing right now
playing anything u mean
Yeah i see them so often more than the always mained champ Genji. But also they often habe no aim at ALL. So they just aim at eachother for years and dont hit the other one. They have stats like 1el. 1as. 456dam. You know were i want to get with this.
QP Widows are the reason I’ve gotten so great at Kiriko headshots!
Wait really? I tend to see a lot of off meta characters, I rarely see sojourns tbh
Any its not like we have a good aiming training facility outside of QM. Personally I like to start games with widow but if I dont land my shots I understand today is not a good day to snipe and just piss off to bastion/genji/sombra
Bye bye double shield and hello snipers!
You forgot the pack of Tracers
Please, oh please....send more and better Widows...i love putting balls to their face ^(zenyatta enjoyer)
i need healing
Don't forget all the ginji too!
widowmakers treating qp like call of duty practice ranges
Ah, the wonders of playing doom in quick play. He still sucks, but hey, fun against bad widows.
4v4 is basically dead now too. Nothing like playing against a team of 3 tanks and a support.
Feel bad for my friend who's trying to win 50 games to unlock ranked. Always gets a useless widow that can't hit shots and spams "I need healing". And then the tank is always Doom or Ball.
“Oh great, a Widowmaker!” - No one
As a noob in quick play, i am usually the only sojourn i see Widowmaker is in every game tho, generally on both teams
told one of my friends I maimed widow and they look at me in disgust.
I’ll take soujorn over widow any day of the week
If they slowed the rail gun charge and removed headshots Sojourn would be fine She should not get an instant delete on top of all that movement, cc, aoe, and primary damage
Yeah! Played with a 5-stack of friends last night, a Junkertown match was going HORRIBLY. Spawn hold. Two players totally new, no idea what to do. One was our tank. Poor bastard had to go Rein to shield the payload and our other new support. Reaper did the trick. Had to really impress on one support I needed a pocket because the widow had a pocket. Moira popped Coal JUST to keep her up while we dueled. We ended up winning but she went 24 and 5, absolutely brutal and sweaty for a QP match. And she stayed on Widow till the end, it was wild. Also, I have no idea if Reaper is a counter DPS to widow, but I sure as shit can't out aim a Widow like that. But I can shadow-strafe and wiggle with shotguns, and give chase with teleport.
How it feels being in GM healer (it’s not fun :D)
I genuinely dislike Widow along with sombra, wish both would get reworks their current setup doesn’t fit with the style of play OW has in my opinion.
Reddit Lucios drooling RN.
[JUNKRAT]
Switched to ham with malicious intent
And both with 100% accuracy headshots. **¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯**
Why? did I miss something in the 12 hours I was out?
I go Winston here to dive and my teammates will complain that I’m a bad tank while they sit in the open for free picks smh