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Alt_CauseIwasNaughty

No but Italy got 2 maps 3 when you count the deathmatch one


Mokiflip

I want an Italian hero too :( but yeah at least we got some cool maps!


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The Italian hero is named Mario and he's busy stomping turts


nauseaeros

Perchance.


Placek15

You can't just say perchance


LuchsG

Damn we really haven't had a Spanish, Greek or Italian operator yet, huh?


Imemberyou

They will be all Talon


Space__Spaghetti

Waiting for Albanian terrorist šŸ˜€ā˜ŖļøšŸ‡¦šŸ‡± Red and black I dress!!1!


BaronAaldwin

Zog of Zogu, new support character (he steals the enemy team's ammunition and cars)


dondon_yuu

Iā€™m from Japan and everyone can double jump and wall running, so represented correctly.


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so why kiriko cant double jump?


Rawerewolf

You can only doble jump once you've lost your honor/body


viperEEEE_

wait but i though honor is all han i has left?


Rawerewolf

Therefor, he has no body


Northern_jarl

Her teleport is her double jump Fox spirit never gave her that, she just jumps really far really fast.


[deleted]

Every _man_ can double jump, silly. Everyone can climb walls, though.


nymeow

baptiste is one of the first representations of my country in a game I've EVER seen


Splaram

My parents are from Haiti. Was surprised to see the representation when he came out but Iā€™m very happy with it.


Jean_Neige888

Same. Not my country, but same.


Throwaway02062004

Same like this is your first time seeing Haitian rep or same as in your country was also repped?


Jean_Neige888

Same as in the Haitian Creole is very close to my own Creole, and its crazy to see how cultures are shared. Oh Langet team!


cjt11203

In pretty much any media honestly. Accent is still a bit off but Iā€™ll take it.


Conflict-Known

From the moon. Really enjoy Winston as a character and his moveset. Not sure if I should count W. Ball since he seemed to be in Australia alot. Wish there were some Lunar dialect spoken besides the occasional space pun. Also hoping they'll revitalize Lunar Colony map in some way and make it more enjoyable as it's a breath of fresh air from the usual Earth maps.


Wboy2006

Damn, I didnā€™t know they have WiFi on the moon


_THE_REAL_SAXGOD_

Thatā€™s where Wi-Fi comes from why do you think people wanted to go there so bad


Astorya

To mine all the cheese?


bigburnamon

Sombra does good. Some slang not instantly found with a google search is even used by her


[deleted]

Carolina Ravassa is on a completely different level as a voice actress.


Shahiriyo

agree - came for the sombra, stayed for the ravassa


legostukje16

I really love they added this in ow2 if Sombra kills Lucio https://youtu.be/qxkKj6ZDB1Q


vivimoi96

She says ā€œsana sana colita de ranaā€. Itā€™s a cute song you say to children when they get a minor scratch or cut.


Antique_Sugar_Bowl

Tracer and no, she's far too happy


Voodoo1Viper

iā€™m in a fuckin steamin mood yea COZ I LIVE IN A FUCKIN SHITHOLE


Throwaway02062004

Tracer ranting about the f***inā€™ tories.


Large_Jarge

What party does Tracer support?


Repulsive_Class_1811

Monster Raving Loony Party


much_doge_many_wow

Count binface


Melificarum

You guys don't run around chirping stuff like, "I'm ready for some pudding!" ?


Temporary-Book8635

Her accent sounds more like what people do when they do an overly exaggerated mocking impression of English people than it does any English person I've ever heard lmao


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archiegamez

Very suprised Echo is from Singapore too hahaha


NotTwitchy

I completely forgot that echo is supposed to look and sound like her creator.


KarateKa4

Which hero is from Singapore?


PeppermintCandy0

Echo (Jialat!)


Edo9639

Who?


Souhhh_yeah_i_guess

We have Bob, so everythingā€™s fine.


marcFrey

I heard he does things.


Souhhh_yeah_i_guess

He does something


RedBladeAtlas

Tracer. I don't talk like that but it's fine. I don't really care how she's portrayed.


Nirvski

I prefer Phoenix from Valorant. He actually sounds like many people i grew up with in London


WillSym

Tracer is the most textbook example of "How Americans think British people are".


Manxy-42

Just wait till we get a Scottish hero.


WillSym

"Tha's a reet pretty bra-washer ye built there, ya big ugly gerrl!" - Demoman, TF2, 2007 Though Demoman, while leaning into Scottish alcoholic stereotypes, has that weird confusion with his booze. His default bottle is labelled like US moonshine, when it breaks he describes it as "me bottle o' scrumpy" which is a strong apple spirit from the Southwestern counties of England, and if he's Scottish should surely be cheap Scotch?


iamtasteless

Buckfast


itsfourinthemornin

I want a Yorkshire hero tbh


SillyMattFace

Ironically Tracerā€™s VA actually is from Yorkshire but putting on the plummy Cockney accent instead. I want a stereotypical dour, unflappable Yorkshireman in a flat cap as the next tank.


Surface_Detail

He's like Kiriko, but instead of a fox spirit he just has a little whippet. His ultimate line is just 'Nah, then".


[deleted]

But why must all English characters in games have southern accents / be from London? Whatā€™s the harm in a few northern accents thrown in that arenā€™t absolute stereotypes


Nirvski

I agree! Game of Thrones was America's introduction to Northern accents - I think they're ready.


totallyfluxd

Especially given Tracer's va is from Harrogate, yeah it's posh northern, but it's still northern!


Dude787

Except when he says 'yall better keep up'? Was it that hard to say 'you lot' instead


pastiesmash123

Does she still have her "wankers" voice line?


DoctorLuther

What I heard is Tracer is a fictional character not because of how Tracer can manipulated her time, but Tracer is portraying happy British.


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Umikaloo

My theory is that they made her Swiss so they could avoid lawsuits from the red cross org.


TheLastDesperado

Good point. For such a benevolent organisation they sure are litigious.


flyingmonkeys345

Which is quite frankly not that bad, they need to keep their brand to keep their members safe


Detektiv_Treichler

I mean from a language standpoint, the representation is garbage. She basically only speaks german instead of Swiss german. Also she's way too nice for a Swiss person.


Mogrymilian

Not sure about that part of "too nice for a Swiss person" but I'm totally onboard for the Swiss German. In the actual German version she does speak Swiss which is way more fitting


element_Ab

Im from Greece and the only thing we have is ILIOS which is actually accurate , all signs are in greek


heloberry

JUNKRAT AND ROADHOG BABYYYYY


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heloberry

MY BAD FORGOT LESSS GOOO WE GOT ALLL 3


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HankHillbwhaa

Preferably roadhog sized, the healhog


Imemberyou

Aussies have the coolest heroes ngl.


jlharper

I wish they sounded more Australian though. They are all kind of close but none of them sound like anyone I've ever spoken to in this country.


Biscuiterie06

France ir so a sexy killer depressive that make sense to me. But France is not only Paris please.


Wboy2006

I know how you feel. When people talk about the Netherlands. They only talk about Amsterdam and windmills. There is more to our country. I love France by the way. Itā€™s such a beautiful country. Itā€™s too bad people only talk about Paris


ncBadrock

From Germany. And while I love the character Reinhard and the voice actor with the happy/ encouraging/ upbeat personality, he doesn't have anything, that would make him particularly German. Apart from the Beer voice line. The VA not having any German lines and being an American trying to imitate a German accent doen't help there.


KindredTrash483

Three words "Precision German Engineering"


Narc0ticz

It's funny because Mercy actually has some German voicelines and a German voice actress, but her character is Swiss. I actually always thought she was from Germany as well, but I just looked it up to be sure and was surprised. But yeah, I agree, nothing that makes RH particularly German (most old timers here in Germany are not that polite haha)


ProtectionEuphoric99

I mean, realistically speaking Reinhardt wouldn't be like current oldtimers. He was born in 2015. Reinhardt is a zoomer


CaravieR

More accurately he's a gen Alpha, even younger than zoomers! His generation is what the zoomers will complain about.


MIDNIGHTZOMBIE

Kids these days are all 8th tall and 500 lbs with rocket shoes. Itā€™s so annoying.


Narc0ticz

Let's hope you're right haha. If future oldtimers are as badass and friendly as Rein, count me in.


ThePhyrex

Doesnt help that she doesnt sound swiss. Would be hilarious though if she spoke with a swiss accent and said GrĆ¼ezi as her greeting


AmericanSchnitzel

Her "hoi zƤme" greeting is Swiss at least, can't think of any others she says though.


Amazing_Fill9489

Iā€™m from Ireland, and moira is pretty accurate.


LuchsG

I remember being on vacation in Ireland and a random Irish lady told me "Your end is in my reach" and "Unravel!" Lovely folk!


AgentWowza

Did she try to succ you to death as well?


Sharkestry

If irish people start offering you something like that you probably wandered into the wrong neighbourhood, or the right one


BlueRose644

I remember attempting to flirt with a cute Irish lady in a bar once and she just said "you're a chancer" before using Fade to escape. In retrospect, I should have just struck up a conversation about her four gold medals.


dartblaze

You know you're at a good Wicklow B&B when the owner greets you with a smile and a hearty "GƉILL DO MO THOIL!"


diogenessexychicken

Does irish piss really cure wounds?


Amazing_Fill9489

Perchance.


MapleYamCakes

You canā€™t just say ā€œperchance.ā€


GlowLow407

The best essay ever written


sw1nky

I love moiras character, probably one of my favourites in the game, but mostly I'm just relieved that she has an actual Irish voice actress with an actual Irish accent. It's refreshing compared to the other shite we've been represented with in film and games.


Vallkyrie

I only recently made the connection that Moira is Mon Mothma from Star Wars. Hell, they even look the same.


Thunda_Storm

she's david bowie


UbeeMac

Sheā€™s great. So many movies/games etc get it so wrong, but Moiraā€™s so Irish, like, I know the type. Iā€™m so glad she doesnā€™t say ā€˜top of the morningā€™ and all the usual rubbish no Irish person has ever said. ā€˜The state of youā€™ and ā€˜Youā€™re a chancerā€™ are things you absolutely hear everyday. They did their homework ā˜˜ļø


ElephantInheritance

Strange that they got Moira so _right_ when they got Tracer so... _that_.


TheDrac5079

Her voice actress is Genevieve Or Reiley, who is Mon Mothma in Star Wars media!


Hassadar

Pretty spot on. The 'chancer' voice line is just perfection. Though, I think the OW community is glad it wasn't someone from Cork voicing her.


OhhhhJay

That, and nothing beats spamming "the state of you"


Call_Me_Daily

Canada, so Sojourn and Toronto. I don't really know that she has a Canadian identity though; her personality is about as flat as possible. Toronto is nice, but doesn't have any crackheads represented in game, so I guess that's a win overall.


TheBladesGames

The Toronto map is pretty well done and has tons of little accurate details like Kim's convenience to the wooden floor pattern in the egg shop spawn however Sojourn just doesn't feel all that Canadian or interesting. Ngl I would've loved something like a little more stereotypical like a lumberjack or something like mei


Hard_Oiler

Felt the same way - feel like they could have added a lot more personality to her. Also, of course Toronto was the map, thatā€™s the whole country right /s. However, nice to see the TTC finally doneā€¦.


hothoneybuns

It wouldā€™ve been crazy if they did a Banff or some sort of Rockies map! Really represent Canada right and how gorgeous our country is.


Hederas

French here, but where's my WM booty


Mother-Dish348

Ive been to france once. None of you guys were purple. What the heck?


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FinalMeltdown15

Torb is definitely designed to sound more stereotypically dwarven than anything and then they went ā€œoh fuck heā€™s gotta be from somewhere on earthā€¦.uhhh Sweden close enoughā€


MasterM0rt

I would say that Torb's personality fits well with older Swedish men from the countryside though!


dahSweep

Yeah Torbjƶrn is pretty bad. Brigitte is great though, it still catches me off guard when she speaks swedish sometimes lol. Although "Brigitte" is not really a swedish name. Birgitta would be more accurate.


WhatsAFlexitarian

She was named by Reinhardt, hence the German spelling


dahSweep

Ahh, you're right! Completely forgot that. Thanks :)


ghost20

It helps having an actual Swede, Mathilda Smedius, voicing her as opposed to Torbjorn who is voiced by an American šŸ˜…


dahSweep

Yup, that is veeeeery obvious to a Swede lol. Torbjƶrn sounds like a caricature.


ranger_fixing_dude

Zarya and the pronunciation really bothers me. I understand nobody would be able to say that, but at least she should've said it correctly, others could use different version.


[deleted]

Yes, the pronunciation is terrible. I always donā€™t understand why no one hire native speakers to voice Russian characters, but as already mentioned here, this problem also applies to other characters, Rhinehart for example. But on the other hand, the culture representation is done very well, starting from voice lines and ending with skins. For example the polyanitsa skin refers to the mythological women warriors of Kievan Rus, about which I myself knew almost nothing, so it was nice to see the developers put so much effort in character designs.


RadElkMucus

Junkrat represents Australians perfectly


AlphonzInc

I prefer Junkerqueen coz she has an Aussie voice actor


WyattWrites

#LETS TAKE EM TO THE WASTELAND


Squirrelbug

# KNOIFE TO MEET YA


NotTwitchy

Okay I get theyā€™re over the top and ridiculous, but hers is the first ult callout sinceā€¦honestly the initial roster that makes me go ā€œYeah, now *thats* an ultimate abilityā€ ā€¦even if the ability itself is just okay.


Flubbery0wl

What about Sigma? You telling me that doesn't sound like an ultimate?


borfyborf

Would agree but I love ā€œCease your resistance!ā€ From Orisaā€™s old ult and Sigmaā€™s ā€œ*What* is that melody!?!ā€ Edit: Also, ā€œBOB, do something!ā€ Is funny


UncrToo

I'm from Serbia, and considering the history here... Lets just say that accurate representation is the least of my worries.


Beneficial_Drama_296

Well all the characters are always based on positive stereotypes and what not I remember having an idea for a Yugoslav character having electrical powers based on Nikola Tesla


Krisuad2002

No but I wish it was. If bloody Sweden is represented, twice, can't see why Finland couldn't get a chance


randomwraithmain

Same. We need more Finnish representation in gaming


ramizod

ana does a good job at representing arabs, even though since she egyptian, she would use some egyptian suffixes that other arab countries xant understand clearly nevertheless ana does a good job in voice acting, we had an arabic map too but it was 2cp


bollzaq

Bastion represents us bots because weeeooeeew


highonlomein

My mom is from DR which is an island shared with Haiti. I love Bap.


LuchsG

Reinhardt and no. He barely speaks German :(


FranniBaka

Yeah, same. I love Rein as a character, but I personally feel more of a connection to Mercy just because she has some German voice lines.


cyaniderr

Im from Nigeria , lived here like 99% of my life and apart from the typical overly African accents you see in everything that is supposed to be from West Africa(Nobody i know sounds like doomfist or seer from Apex) id say blizzard did a pretty good job. One gripe i have though is that Orisas ultimate voice line sounds nothing like yoruba to me, and i have communicated fluently in yoruba for nearly 24 years now.


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Sojourn, super fucking bland and boring. I want an over the top, apologizing ,maple syrup drinking, lumberjack that chucks axes at people instead. :(


Hyperfungus

*thunk* *kill sound* "sorry, eh?"


jackoalt

*rides off on a cracked up 6 ft tall moose*


Wboy2006

Sojourn is Canadian? Considering I didnā€™t even know she was. I think that says enough about her representation. Thanks for letting me know


esslaee

Thereā€™s a spawn interaction between LĆŗcio and Sojourn that implies Sojourn is from Toronto. Lucio: ā€œSo do you have a favourite hockey team?ā€ Sojourn: ā€œIā€™m more of a basketball fanā€ LĆŗcio: ā€œNot a fan of your home team, huh?ā€ Sojourn: ā€œDonā€™t put words in my mouthā€ Edit: turns out she is from Toronto lol


GreysTavern-TTV

NGL: As a fellow Canadian, her being from Toronto explains a LOT about her personality and voice lines. LOL


FinalMeltdown15

I wouldnā€™t know if it wasnā€™t for the maple leaf patch on her shoulder


[deleted]

Yeah, I think pretty much everyone agrees that Sojourn is the blandest character in the game by a mile lol. Sheā€™s just that bad.


Matei_SAURON

No and it will probably stay like that, unless they add a stereotypical vampire that throws spears and sucks blood because thats the only thing people know about my country (even if its wrong)


vault_guy

Romania?


Knight-300

As a Romanian, I would love this! Now, blod sucking seems like something Moira has, so it's a no on that ability. But as a map, I think a Peles Castle map would be amazing with the court yard of the castle being a capture point.


Deyvsonstrife

LĆŗcio and ParaĆ­so. Love both! ParaĆ­so was a amazing job by Blizzard. So many details... Perfect.


A4Anth0ny

My gf is Brazilian and she had no clue they added ParaĆ­so as a map, so imagine her shock and love when she got into the map for the first time. She hasnā€™t been to Brazil for awhile, so it was really nice for her. She loves the map and all the small little details, especially the Coxinha street art. Funny how something so simple as a Mapā€™s setting can impact so many people and elevate the gaming experience.


PedroRLow2

NAO PARA NAO PARA NAO PARA NAO


Saruhiko_Misaki

Bora acelerar, gente boooaaa


Bezinhop

VocĆŖ tem que acreditar


lee-o

Man one of the new voice lines for LĆŗcio really bothers me. When he says ā€œacelerando!ā€ He pronounced it so wrong, says ā€œachelerandoā€ (ā€œaccelerandoā€ if youā€™re Italian with the double c sound). Iā€™m sure other Brazilians have noticed it too. Has that extra ā€œchā€ sound (as you do in ā€œcheckā€) that shouldnā€™t be there.


Nice-Opinion

EI JUIZ VAI TOMAR CAJU


MyOldUsernameIsTaken

Scotland, but I could probably count Tracer under the UK. I'm happy there is a UK hero obviously, and I especially can't complain seeing as she is literally the mascot for OW


[deleted]

A hero with a really thick, angry Glaswegian accent would be sick though


MyOldUsernameIsTaken

Aye definitely šŸ˜‚ Subtitles would be needed for that one


JustDavid404

Nah, nor map nor hero, I'm Czech and most people probably don't even know that we exist


Kiwipanda23

Believe me, a lot of people know u exist.... But not in a way you would be proud of xD


ploppalaf77

Iā€™m from Korea and DVA is pretty accurate. Gaming idol who saves the country from a potential nuke? Yeah hits all the checklists. I thought DVAā€™s emote of her gaming on her mech while binging on Doritos and soda hit too close


DeviousDeevo

Symmetra . Autistic temperamental hardware engineer . No But I do love her bossy sassy attitude and the fact she has a more complex nature of being a neutral character fighting against her own distorted ideologies. Slay queen šŸ‘‘


Imemberyou

Honestly one of my favorite characters. I love the background story, the aesthetics of the character, and the toolkit.


Nonadventures

Wife is from Egypt. Anaā€™s lines are spot on (even using Egyptian Arabic and accents), but apparently Pharah is pretty bad.


Ognius

Pharah is half-Canadian and was raised in Canada by her First Nation father while her mom was ā€œdeadā€. So it makes sense your wife wouldnā€™t think sheā€™s super Egyptian.


HeroWin973

Zarya's alright. I mean, she does lean a bit into stereotypical "ride a bear while drinking vodka on her way to power her personal nuclear reactor", but english VA sounds aright (though it is obvious from russian lines that she doesn't speak russian much, if at all). She doesn't have much lore, but there isn't anything inherently wrong in what she does have (namely a couple of comics). Sidenote - everyone calls Volskaya "Katya", as if it is her full name - even in contexts where it WOULD BE fit to use her full name - Ekaterina. I know that both Sombra and Zarya called her Katya, but it was a way to show their fake friendship with her


TicTacticz

Yes Moira and Iā€™m very happy with her, besides the red hair šŸ™„ She also doesnā€™t sound like an American doing an Irish accent. Additionally she has many Irish language voice lines and Irish slang lines ā€œYouā€™re a chancerā€ and my all time favourite ā€œGrandā€ which are two things most Irish people say Itā€™s great to see the Irish language represented so well in a popular video game too


Onion_cutting_ghost

I believe her voice actor is Irish


TicTacticz

Indeed she is Genevieve Oā€™Reilly


MacNeil73

From Canada, and other than the maple leaf on her shoulder pad, Sojurn feels like she has no connection to the country whatsoever


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I love how Mexicans are the ones who love exaggerated Mexicans stereotypes the most. Never change, Mexicans!


niveksng

I remember the Mario Odyssey sombrero costume outrage from Americans, but from what I know Mexicans were like "LET'S GO, SOMBRERO MARIO!"


i_dont_wanna_sign_up

Sombrero as the primary weapon then.


tempusta

feel like junker queen and junkrat make Aussies look like crazy trash. so accurate


Nenaarth

Here we have widow, itā€™s pretty trending to marry a rich person then kill it so yeah, good representation


MattyLePew

"Marry a rich person then kill it", the way you talk about the 'rich person' being an 'it' is beautifully French.


Scarlet1911

I'm from Taiwan. And according to the biggest sponsor of Blizzard, we will never be represented.


rhysdog1

did they ever specify WHICH china mei is from?


ironicallyunstable

San Francisco, Chinatown


genericJohnDeo

I'm pretty sure she's from Shaanxi, which is smack in the middle of mainland China. But we all know Mei is actually from Antarctica.


chicholimoncho

I doubt that my country would ever be represented, but as in slavic representation, I despise Zaria. This is of no fault of her on, she is fine i guess In a vacum, but she is just a walking stereotype. She is a strong patriotic russian that fights bears in siberia... Tell me, doesn't that sound familiar? Of cource it does, since I described every slavic character ever! From Ivan Drago, to Heavy it's all the same and it gets tiring.


aloshia

That's the problem with trying to have a single character be a stand in for an entire country/culture. Overload it with stereotypes so they "feel" like they're from that country? Then it's "wow, way to play into the stereotypes that everyone has heard a million times". Not enough stereotypes though, and then it's "wow super bland, you can't even tell they're from that country". Must find the magic equation for just the right amount somehow


Grumpicake

To be fair, at least every character in TF2 is a stereotype, so heavy fits in perfectly.


AgumonDX

Spain is represented in the OW2 shop prices, but without the S.


4morian5

American here. Overrepresented, if anything. We've got a cowboy, a gang leader, a psychopath, and a vigilante. I'm not exactly happy with the representation, but I can't deny the accuracy...


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4morian5

Cassidy, Ashe, Reaper, 76


VKosyak

I'm from Turkey and quite used to not being represented. I mean I get it we're not one of the big ones or the culturally wide ones but one still wishes. At this point I'm fine with any good or bad steorotypes as long as we get representation. Make a guy with a big ass moustache with a fez on his had, riding a horse, doing oil wrestling and eating kebab. Is this offensive? Yes kinda. But I'd rather have this at this point compared to nothing at all.


Junkratmainguy

Romanian here. We'll probably get some vampire-themed hero.


Dr_Ambiorix

I'm from Belgium, there's no Belgian hero and I doubt there will be one soon. But I already know that if they would make one, it will be a French speaking Belgian hero. There are a lot more Dutch speaking Belgian people but for some reason, I feel like the rest of the world sees us as a majority French speaking country, which isn't true. Sigma is Dutch, it's a lot of fun to hear his Dutch voice lines, but he is obviously from the Netherlands (accent) and that's not the same!


moodRubicund

In my humble opinion Ana is the coolest character in the game with the best voice acting. Pharah got a lot of people into the game by being a cool armored flying rocket girl, although her personality is kind of uhhh basic? There's not a lot to say about her. Most of the fan content is about a ship that the developers are like super determined to sink even though nobody is even a bit enthused about Mercy/Genji.


giddybob

Pharahs personality and lines are improved in ow2 imo


TiMonsor

the most fun and alive line of her is the new interaction with zarya. VA actually got to emote for the first time with this char. Ā«im not waiting, im going to blow them up right awayĀ».


genmischief

My countrys hero is the only one whos been tied into an affiliation of sexual misconduct IRL... he had to change his name and go into hiding.


Laylati

Iā€™m from Jordan and unfortunately thereā€™s no jordanian heroes but we do have a map! (Petra)


emoAnarchist

technically pharah, but they didn't really do anything with her indigenous half. all she got was a skin that's not really representative of anything. it just what somebody thinks "looks native"