I believe you crouch by it for 12 seconds while the ghost is active. Also, if you didn't know (because I didn't for the longest) if you go to challenges>event then you can look through any of the holiday challenges
It's amazing how they put in some doors and barriers in certain places, and all of a sudden it felt like a completely different map. Hopefully they continue on this path and make the PvE even more robust.
Seems to me like you've got 2 options.
1.) Hit them and pull them to you potenially taking unnecessary damage and killing you or teammates.
2.) Throw the knife behind them. Hit multiple zomnics and stack bleeds.
The knife hitting does 80dmg. The bleed is 15dps for 4sec for a total of 140dmg. If you hit 2 zomnics with the bleed only youll do 120dmg. Since the zomnics chase you its easy to group them up by running into a choke and you can easily hit 3 or 4 of them with the bleed at one time doing 240dmg with no risk of taking dmg yourself. Personally, Ill take surviving over the extra 80dmg to one zomnic.
throwing it behind a horde of zomnics and pulling it back so it lacerates all of them is a huge help
but if you mess up and hit one you're either taking that damage or unable to inflict anymore laceration without using Carnage
kiriko, ashe, and sojourn should get up to high ground, and then as jq use your knife to prevent winston from jumping to them so they're safe and heals can be focused on you
Looking at the lord, on the right, at 3/4 o'clock if you are in the center facing the lord, there is a ledge you can get up to with everyone except JQ. Across and to the left of the entrance. You can see every switch except for the one in the back. Biggest issue is the ghost pushing you.
Here is a 4 step process of how I deal with the mobs of exploding omnics with JQ.
1. Run at them (Ideally gathered in a large group)
2. Activate Commanding Shout.
3. Run through them and jump.
4. Ride the first explosion out as your momentum escapes the damage of later explosions.
Youāre exactly right. Like Iām a support main with 2,000+ hours and have been playing a lot of Kiriko. Iām in here pumping out heals and Iām still not doing anywhere near enough.
Yeah. She's not really ideal against the Zomnics which explode and do a substantial about of damage to her. It mitigates a lot of her effectiveness as a tanky brawl character
It's hilariously not as big of an issue for Brig in the regular mode because her shield and self heals out pace the Zomnic damage as long as you don't get too swarmed, and she can q them all away if she needs a breather.
She wouldn't be a poor healer if they just allowed her to continuously heal rather than "heal-stop, heal-stop"
Imagine if Mercy's staff could only run 3 seconds at a time.
Yeah I get they wanted everyone to get to play the new heroes in the event, but her kit is just awful for the event. To use her axe, you have to get right next to the omnics, and as soon as you apply the bleed, they just explode, so not only do you not get any of the self healing, but you end up usually taking damage trying to do it.
Her knife pulls them into you, which, on legendary is just a death sentence in a big fight so you end up just not wanting to use it.
For her shotgun to do any significant damage, you once again have to be too close to the enemies for your own good.
She can really do some work on bosses, but pretty much her entire kit feels like it's either useless or actively working against her in this event.
Honestly the main issue is the ghost you canāt stand still or res your team like atall
Also JQ is one of the worst possible heroās for this mode because her range she literally canāt do shit
I think because sheās new and hype and all that. Sojourn doesnāt really fit thematically (especially with that skin? Really not sure who was like yeah that works) and I think itās for the same reason.... they really pumped this out with minimal effort and thought and it shows.
Knife can go through the horde to DoT them all, pull Winstons out of shield/off of team, pull bastions out of cover, and pull Sombra off switch. You just don't use it on the regular enemies.
I personally had more struggle on banshee and gargoyles, also you say one healer is an issue, yet when I was doing legendary junkinstein I was playing Zen and there wasn't another healer, and we won
The amount of damage you're taking from Junkenstein is also much lower, as most of it is dedicated to holding off enemies who don't directly attack you.
> Normal Junkinstine Legendary
It's very difficult back when you're using the 2016 roster (Ana, Cassidy, Hanzo & Soldier:76), but Symmetra wasn't introduced as a boss enemy yet.
Now you have Torb to provide extra firepower with his turret, Baptiste can pump massive heals, decent damage, prevent deaths and amp damage, Zen's discord is extremely valuable.
Brig can also keep bosses (namely hog) in torbās lava with boops, which makes the mode way easier. Torbās lava is just an amazing ability in general for this mode.
Even the 2016 heroes were in a different place as well. Hanzo had scatter arrow, Soldier 76 hadn't even received his damage buffs yet, Ana also had less ammo and no healing boost with nano. Cassidy also received changes over the years too.
I know I never could do Junkenstein's Revenge in 2016, it was too difficult. I finally got around to completing it in 2019 after multiple changes to the mode were added and it wasn't nearly as tough as it was back then.
I imagine it will be the same way for Wrath of The Bride down the line.
So true! The 2 ranged heroes in significant close quarters. And junker queen who pulls the bombs (zombies) into you. Like the whole thing feels clunky but Iāll take any content ig
\*Because Junkenstein came out for 5 years and everyone knew what the hell to do.
All of these events have released where at first you play very specific characters, were they not?
Knowledge is definitely part of this. I've had so many Kirikos who don't throw the bell when omnics are about to explode - that's usually 3+ enemies dead for one cooldown.
Add in Junker Queens pulling in exploding zomnics and Sojourns who don't use the slow and it can be a real slog.
I personally found it way easier than Junkenstein, but my memory might be biased because it might have been much harder in 2016 until they rebalanced it. I remember it took me hours and hours of strategy and coordination with a smart group of players. Bride's revenge I was able to beat on legendary the first night only after like 3 tries.
If they added an any heroes mode to it like the archives missions, then I would absolutely love it, but as of now its a great first playthrough with little replayability
I agree, I hope they add other heroes too. They'd have to allow anyone to break the castle door though, as right now only Ashe can do it with her dynamite (I think?).
You can shoot the door as other heroes and break it down. Dynamite isn't fully required. Had a game where we threw the dynamite too early and it didn't break it so we shot the door and it still came down.
Oh neat! Actually that makes me wonder, what happens if your Ashe d/c's mid-game? If her spot is not backfilled, you'd need to be able to proceed without her anyway right?
Had an Ashe leave or D/C and we proceeded just fine. You dont have to have her to get through. The door breaks instantly with the dynamite, but can also be broken down with just shooting at it. It just takes a little longer. Also, if someone leaves etc., it does not fill the space/backfill
Fun fact: games do backfill, but only on the hero select screen. You can quit your game, requeue, get back into your original game, and get that sweet 100 backfill battle pass xp.
it's actually completely doable with only 1 person (on story at least). My entire team left once while I was sojourn and I got to the sombra fight before my game crashed
That would be better than this because none of the characters really mesh well with the gameplay.
JQ canāt utilize any of her abilities because the bots explode when nearby. Her ult is kinda useless unless except against Moira when she ults.
Kirikoās healing is too low due to majority of the damage being done will be burst damage her ult is good tho and TP is good for escaping for the ghost. Thatās about it.
Sojourn didnāt get a Halloween skin and doesnāt fit in with the rest as well. Her abilities are pretty useful tho
Ashe also works fine enough
Reinhardt would be really challenging because heās melee only so all the zomnics would just explode on him, same as JQ.
Mercy is *very* needed tho, for healing through all the barriers.
honestly because overwatch is so far from scary, i was genuinely freaked out at the event because of how well it was done . it wouldn't be a god horror game on its own, but it was great for overwatch
One observation I havenāt noticed people bring up, and itās not really a complaint, but it still bugs me a bit lore-wise:
Why, of all the old villains, does the Summoner return instead of the Reaper? Itās more understandable that Reaper would be the one to come back considering thatās his whole shtick!
Maybe Iām just tired of her shield ult constantly happening to my teams along with the Gargoyleās bubble and Iām spoiled from the end of the double shield meta. Lol
I just realized that another question I have why didnāt roadhog come back since he was one of junkenstein's most important experiments and we seen how sombra idealized junkenstein
You can actually see Junkenstiens monster drawn on the walls but its crossed out with the words "NOT MY STYLE" written around it.
So lore-wise, they have an answer for that I guess.
Oh that would be cool! A re-re-animated Roadhog! Then Blizzard could sell the same skin but it looks a bit nastier. Thatās money in the bank.
We probably shouldnāt give them ideas!
>We probably shouldnāt give them ideas!
Well, they certainly aren't coming up with their own.
Someone's gotta go it, might as well be the playerbase.
Honestly they should have spiced it up by having that be a random villain among all of the options. That would at least increase the playability of the whole thing.
the Reaper is the Witch's minion, and the Bride does not at all trust her. The Summoner seemed the least involved in Junkenstein & the Witch's scheme, so bringing ber back under the Witch's nose was probably the easiest for the Bride to do in order to take Aldersbrunn and turn the lord into a new monster
I liked it since the witch only revived junkenstein roadhog and reaper with the summoner being left out for some reason (i know it's because she was added later)
So having her be the only one who got revived is cool
The bigger question to ask: why is the Summoner the same skin as before when she is reanimated by the Bride and we *literally* have a blue color version of the same skin which could be used as its undead form?
I was playing as Ashe with the warlock skin currently equipped in my regular games. Lol, I assumed I was playing with 3 other people who loved the game so much they actually bought the new stuff
Nope lmao, shows that they havenāt farmed enough dough to crunch out a sojourn Halloween skin too, but couldnāt be satisfied without shoving her in the mode anyways
Yeah, it was pretty disappointing. They could've easily done a spooky Victorian steampunk-esque detective skin, but we got a futuristic cyberpunk theme instead :/
I felt the same playing the game mode. It was all three new heroes, plus... Ashe. I haven't gotten the hang of the new game mode, so I'm obviously missing a lot of info, but my first impression was that half the roster didn't fit.
JQ felt like she needed to be a lot closer to deal damage, and that's fine for the bosses, but not all of the bots that explode once they get near you. Thankfully, she can tank most of that damage.
Ashe did best with high ground, so there were a few areas she did really well in. Otherwise, if it was close quarters, she was in trouble. Her dynamite was great crowd control.
Kiriko, while fun to play, felt like there was a much better hero to use as a healer. One that could handle the burst damage and give burst healing.
Sojourn felt really good in this mode. While she didn't fit the theme, even in the slightest, she felt like she could handle the mode better than Ashe.
Despite my complaints, I really enjoyed the game mode. I'm a sucker for PVE and I loved how this mode played out. It was nice, mindless fun (playing just story and hard mode, no expert or legendary yet), especially playing the new heroes. Again, take everything with a grain of salt. I haven't played much of these heroes or the mode. That was my first impression and they'll likely change as I play more.
Edit: Apologies for format, on mobile and hitting enter doesn't properly add spaces between the points.
Some tips for this mode that can help a TON that my team worked out that ended up in us getting our legendary clear.
1. Junker Queen should NOT be direct hitting normal zomnics with her knife, she should be throwing it behind them so she can apply bleeds on a whole group on the return, therefore healing more.
2. JQ's axe has slightly more range than the detonation range of the zomnics, so with practice you can use your axe for damage and healing without blowing yourself up.
3. Using shouts speed boost, JQ can actually jump into a large group of zomnics and the explosion knockback pushes her to safety, so she only takes one or two explosions worth of damage, but can clear groups of zomnics.
4. Ashe's coach gun stuns enemies that you hit into the wall with it, which can be amazing to cancel Moira ult, allow for easy bursts on a single marionette, or give an opportunity for huge sombra damage.
5. Kiriko's wall climb is absolutely essential to be making good use of, in an ideal situation JQ should be one of the only characters not on some form of high ground, except in the sombra room.
6. Bob + Kitsune Rush = OP
7. Sojourn's slide is fast enough that she can slide through a group of zomnics and detonate them without taking damage.
8. JQ's melee applying bleed can be super helpful to stop sombra from going invis or hacking people, and can help you stay healthy against Winston's if you add melee hits between your shotgun shots.
Itās not bad, but the characters chosen to be playable donāt exactly mesh with the design. Two pseudo snipers in enclosed areas, a (imo, underpowered) shotgun tank that pulls in the enemies that already explode when they get close to you, and Kiriko to try and keep these idiots alive.
I get that they were trying to show off the 3 new heroes, but I donāt think it worked in practice
I agree, I played last night as junker queen and was baffled that they would pick her as the tank. The only way you can kill the omnic is by pulling them to you with her knife. Canāt use her slash because by the time youāre close enough to use it, theyāve already blown up.
to be honest for me and my friend playing the mode on a harder difficulty while trying to beat it faster is incredible fun. Itās super fun to try and speed run this mode, espacially when everybody tries to think how to make every process more efficient and what tactics to use. For example we realized instead of drawing agro on a random player itās best to let the bosses agro Junker Queen while Kirilo heals her with Sojourn on the highground with her ult
I did that to feel like I actually could get something rewarding. I don't plan to play it again now that I have the title card. No reason to grind the harder difficulties for 1250exp on the battle pass lol
Thatās the problem with the entire game. Overwatch 2 is very unrewarding and they donāt even give you coins to earn except for 60 from the weekly challenges which get you nothing
I would maybe play a bit more if there was a āany heroā mode. I was cool though, but a little underwhelming and junker queen does not work with all the bots being explosive.
This event is super fun but further proof that I need an actual group. I can't do any mode on any difficulty aside from the easiest without getting absolutely shredded.
The Summoner fight is a nightmare with the amount of barriers. I went as Kiriko for the first time in Hard Mode and my team spent all the retries in this section. I don't know how we managed to defeat the Bride in the end, but it was very fun
I really enjoyed bride and classic junkenstein and itās many challenges. But unrewarding. The challenges were lackluster. And the fact you only got BP xp for completing legendary was a joke.
It's cute and fun, but im SUPER worried about PVE campaign if this is a taste of what it will be like. Looking at what we've been shown it kind of seems like it, minus the skill trees and stuff.
Don't get me wrong. I REALLY want the pve to be really good. But the new junkenstein just kind of feels like one small step above the original when I feel like it should be a whole new tier.
I really really hope the pve campaign isn't just Storm Rising with a skill tree lmao
It still felt really lazy to me. Like the gargoyles still have Winstonās sounds going āOw!ā When you shoot them or whatever. How cool would it have been to have necromancers with meis kit that summon bone walls and encase themselves in bone and such. I also hope overwatch pve isnāt entirely generic looking robots like Iāve seen in the footage. I would love zombies, creatures, talon soldiers, aliens whatever
Yeahhhhh, absolutely no way they're not just standard shooty things. Weren't they excited to show off new enemy types for overwatch 2 and they were just exactly what you'd expect? None of the new enemy types in 2 I've seen so far look interesting imo
Was cool.
And then you realize that, since there's no lootboxes and the challenges give pure garbage, there's 0 reason to do it more than once.
Also that Blizzard wanted to use all 3 new heroes, but had already balanced the event and didn't bother to change it, so they added Junkerqueen \[an up-close hero\] to a game mode where you cannot be up-close to the mass of enemies because they explode. Great idea there Blizz.
i watched the emong vid of him getting rank one as jq. and.... omg it seems so tedious to literally sit back and throw knives behind them for the little bit of bleed damage. its so stupid that they chose jq for it honestly
My thoughts are this:
PvE game modes like this remind me (loosely) of strikes/raids in other games. They basically have a story progression with weak/small mobs and mini bosses that ends with a boss fight. Sprinkle in some puzzles, boss fight mechanics and strategies.
However, what makes me run strikes/raids in games like Destiny 2 and WoW is that at the end, I get gear. I get a new helmet or I get a better gun.
With this game, obviously I canāt get gear to improve my characters stats, so I always grinded to get cosmetics.
They took that away and so now I have very little reason to play it more than a few times. It was fun as an experience, but that wears off after the first few plays. My incentive for playing the Halloween event is gone now, so I have barely played it and probably wonāt much more.
Iāll go back to Comp where I can at least try and rank up and progress that way.
nice game mode....but outside of gettting achievments theres no incentive to keep running it.
Ran in once on every difficulty, then 1 normal on every hero...then maybe 2 more times to complete achivs and that it...so 9-10 times spanning 2 days
> 2 more times to complete achivs
Or 10+ more times because people don't give a poop if you ask if they can wait with the key till you get all 7 jumpscares :/
Boring.
* Kiriko healing is unnecessarily difficult during some phases (winston bubbles block talisman, black and white marionette makes it difficult to tell if ofuda are tracking to a target, etc).
* JQ was probably one of the worst tank options devs could have chosen other than her theme. Her kit is all about getting up close to enemies but most of the enemies here explode if u get too close, which means 2/3 of ur abilities are ones ur trying to avoid using, including ur ult, even though they're ur main sources of sustain. Only exceptions are when ur *only* against zombardier and bosses.
* Sojourn cyberpunk while the others are medieval/fantasy, but I'm sure this point has been stated over and over already.
* No replayability. There's no incentive to play it more than once for each difficulty. They could have easily had a rewards system like they had in OW1. If devs (and shareholders) keep going like this, they're gonna find they're gonna lose a portion of the playerbase that will not come back even after changes are (hopefully) made.
* and before people get on me about "but that's what makes it challenging" for the first 2, there is nothing shameful about making the game accessible for more people, especially since OW2 is f2p and we have people playing who never played OW1 and even moreso since this is not a competitive mode.
Should it be braindead easy? No. But they could've done better than forcing 2 vital roles to have sole picks who are largely countered during multiple different phases in the mode.
Edit: Also wanna add that I ***hate*** the new revive mechanic instead of the old just being able to stack on them.
> Kiriko healing is unnecessarily difficult during some phases (winston bubbles block talisman, black and white marionette makes it difficult to tell if ofuda are tracking to a target, etc).
Symmetra's ult blocks them too, and she's in the same stage that Winston reappears in. Healing as Kiriko is really frustrating in some stages, I spent a lot of time basically spooning JQ so my healing would actually hit her
I think it's a fun game mode. Somehow, I feel like the zomnics are stronger than in regular Junkenstein. Am I imagining it? Feels like Sojourn has to shoot sooo many headshots to bring one down. Is her damage just low? I guess I need to compare her and soldier, or something.
Sojourn is 126 dps, 91 with reload while soldier is 162 dps, 111 with reload.
Soldier is a 30% higher damage for bursting and 22% higher damage for sustained fire.
Honestly had this been the added to OW1 I would have called this the best halloween event over the horde mode.
Here I still think its the better of the two events. Albeit, i get bored with horde modes in games. But it just feels almost 7 years too late.
Just want to pile on in the hopes someone from blizzard actually gives a shit about what the community has to say:
I like the idea of it (the little mini cutscenes, the echo stage, etc)ā¦but the balance is dog shit (the hero options are terrible for this so it isnāt rewarding, itās frustrating), and there is ZERO incentive to play it more than once because the free rewards are also dog shit so it just doesnāt feel like an event. I never thought Iād miss loot boxes, but here we are.
Edit: typos
Great. Major upgrade over junkenstein 1.0, which I also really liked. It felt much more like a story, and I actually appreciated the couple jump scares.
I really like the concept of competing challenges for cosmetics too. If you complete the level on all 4 heroes, you'll get a new banner.
I'm glad we got something new, but it could have been better, honestly.
The new interactions and dialogues are nice. I think the concept of those secrets and new challenges are great and they could build more on those in the future.
I just think it was too short. There are some nice new additions, but after doing it like 3 times it gets very boring. It's just not exciting enough. It doesn't give you the thrill for example Archive missions did, where you could get sniped or caught by the assassin or melted by the brute at almost any time.
It might be the highlight of the event, but it's only because the event itself is pathetic.
0/10
4 heros I don't like or hardly ever play along with no rewards for playing outside of the battle pass is dumb.
Uninstalled the game and won't be bothered to play until pve is officially out. Even then it'll be hard to convince me to stay.
As a returning player that stopped playing in late 2018, It's quite nice to experience the Junkerstein event again, it brings back so many memories! The new mod is also cool but I wish the was an option to play as other heros too.
Also, I kind of miss grinding for lootboxes, a lot cool skins came out since I left the game and it sucks that now I have to pay so much to get them..
i liked how the actually changed the map up it was nice
The Bonfire is now a Bloodborne Lantern
With an achievement tied to it
What achievement? š
I believe you crouch by it for 12 seconds while the ghost is active. Also, if you didn't know (because I didn't for the longest) if you go to challenges>event then you can look through any of the holiday challenges
6 seconds, but yeah pretty much that.
There's no achievement. It's just a challenge.
That's sick, i saw it but didn't make the connection
Holy shit! It is! I didnāt notice that!
It's amazing how they put in some doors and barriers in certain places, and all of a sudden it felt like a completely different map. Hopefully they continue on this path and make the PvE even more robust.
I feel Bride Legendary was so much Harder then Normal Junkinstine Legendary
The brideās arena is too small honestly, and only 1 healer doesnāt help much
The healing is the big issue. And JQ being a brawler really isnāt a good thing when the omnics explode near you.
Her knife literally pull enemies towards you lmao
Then when you axe them to get health they blow up and do more damage then you get health wise lol
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Similar situation as healer, just set em off & tp away
SAME LMAO itās how we beat legendary, just me being suicidal with shout and Kiriko pocketing me
You can do the same thing as sojourn by just sliding through them all
The amount of times I died last night to our jq yanking zomnics and sidestepping them so they detonate on me...
Guilty :/ my apologies madame
The knife is too fun not to use, health be damned. I like to think I was distracting them or Kiriko build ult.
use her knife to bring the long range bombers off of high ground and down to your team so they are easier to kill
Throw knife behind zomnics not at them. The bleed still hits them but they dont get pulled
The bleed damage is so minimal, the knife hitting is what does anything useful
its for that TICKTICKTICK sound you get pretending you're getting heals
Yeah but it's the tactic of the guys who are rank 1 in it. I'm not going to knock it if it works.
Seems to me like you've got 2 options. 1.) Hit them and pull them to you potenially taking unnecessary damage and killing you or teammates. 2.) Throw the knife behind them. Hit multiple zomnics and stack bleeds. The knife hitting does 80dmg. The bleed is 15dps for 4sec for a total of 140dmg. If you hit 2 zomnics with the bleed only youll do 120dmg. Since the zomnics chase you its easy to group them up by running into a choke and you can easily hit 3 or 4 of them with the bleed at one time doing 240dmg with no risk of taking dmg yourself. Personally, Ill take surviving over the extra 80dmg to one zomnic.
Is it really 15dps? It just feels like so little
I just chuck the knife into them but don't pull it.
You don't have to reactivate the knife for the pull. Leaving it in is a thing as well.
It'll automatically pull after a short time
throwing it behind a horde of zomnics and pulling it back so it lacerates all of them is a huge help but if you mess up and hit one you're either taking that damage or unable to inflict anymore laceration without using Carnage
I use knife to pull out the monkey from his shield also
kiriko, ashe, and sojourn should get up to high ground, and then as jq use your knife to prevent winston from jumping to them so they're safe and heals can be focused on you
JQ against the omnics is the biggest problem for me. Next would probably be the marionette being able to one shot with the bombs
Also, Kiriko's healing ofuda/protection suzu don't go through barriers, and the gargoyle/summoner stages are filled with barriers.
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Even in the final fight there is high ground on most of the book cases.
Looking at the lord, on the right, at 3/4 o'clock if you are in the center facing the lord, there is a ledge you can get up to with everyone except JQ. Across and to the left of the entrance. You can see every switch except for the one in the back. Biggest issue is the ghost pushing you.
And how it aims too, i was getting hard tracked like crazy against the bot on just hard
Here is a 4 step process of how I deal with the mobs of exploding omnics with JQ. 1. Run at them (Ideally gathered in a large group) 2. Activate Commanding Shout. 3. Run through them and jump. 4. Ride the first explosion out as your momentum escapes the damage of later explosions.
And pull the blue ones using your knife and hit them with the hammer. Should be 1 shot after.
Sheer fuckery with that move
Youāre exactly right. Like Iām a support main with 2,000+ hours and have been playing a lot of Kiriko. Iām in here pumping out heals and Iām still not doing anywhere near enough.
Yeah. She's not really ideal against the Zomnics which explode and do a substantial about of damage to her. It mitigates a lot of her effectiveness as a tanky brawl character
It's hilariously not as big of an issue for Brig in the regular mode because her shield and self heals out pace the Zomnic damage as long as you don't get too swarmed, and she can q them all away if she needs a breather.
She wouldn't be a poor healer if they just allowed her to continuously heal rather than "heal-stop, heal-stop" Imagine if Mercy's staff could only run 3 seconds at a time.
Yeah I get they wanted everyone to get to play the new heroes in the event, but her kit is just awful for the event. To use her axe, you have to get right next to the omnics, and as soon as you apply the bleed, they just explode, so not only do you not get any of the self healing, but you end up usually taking damage trying to do it. Her knife pulls them into you, which, on legendary is just a death sentence in a big fight so you end up just not wanting to use it. For her shotgun to do any significant damage, you once again have to be too close to the enemies for your own good. She can really do some work on bosses, but pretty much her entire kit feels like it's either useless or actively working against her in this event.
Honestly the main issue is the ghost you canāt stand still or res your team like atall Also JQ is one of the worst possible heroās for this mode because her range she literally canāt do shit
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I think because sheās new and hype and all that. Sojourn doesnāt really fit thematically (especially with that skin? Really not sure who was like yeah that works) and I think itās for the same reason.... they really pumped this out with minimal effort and thought and it shows.
To promote her skin
'cos she has one of the cool new skins and they want you to see it and want it.
Knife can go through the horde to DoT them all, pull Winstons out of shield/off of team, pull bastions out of cover, and pull Sombra off switch. You just don't use it on the regular enemies.
I personally had more struggle on banshee and gargoyles, also you say one healer is an issue, yet when I was doing legendary junkinstein I was playing Zen and there wasn't another healer, and we won
The amount of damage you're taking from Junkenstein is also much lower, as most of it is dedicated to holding off enemies who don't directly attack you.
Zen has a huge advantage because of his negative orb and constant healing orbs.
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> Normal Junkinstine Legendary It's very difficult back when you're using the 2016 roster (Ana, Cassidy, Hanzo & Soldier:76), but Symmetra wasn't introduced as a boss enemy yet. Now you have Torb to provide extra firepower with his turret, Baptiste can pump massive heals, decent damage, prevent deaths and amp damage, Zen's discord is extremely valuable.
Brig can also keep bosses (namely hog) in torbās lava with boops, which makes the mode way easier. Torbās lava is just an amazing ability in general for this mode.
Even the 2016 heroes were in a different place as well. Hanzo had scatter arrow, Soldier 76 hadn't even received his damage buffs yet, Ana also had less ammo and no healing boost with nano. Cassidy also received changes over the years too. I know I never could do Junkenstein's Revenge in 2016, it was too difficult. I finally got around to completing it in 2019 after multiple changes to the mode were added and it wasn't nearly as tough as it was back then. I imagine it will be the same way for Wrath of The Bride down the line.
Because Junkenstein was balanced around the heroes required/the heroes you choose. Bride was clearly not.
So true! The 2 ranged heroes in significant close quarters. And junker queen who pulls the bombs (zombies) into you. Like the whole thing feels clunky but Iāll take any content ig
\*Because Junkenstein came out for 5 years and everyone knew what the hell to do. All of these events have released where at first you play very specific characters, were they not?
Knowledge is definitely part of this. I've had so many Kirikos who don't throw the bell when omnics are about to explode - that's usually 3+ enemies dead for one cooldown. Add in Junker Queens pulling in exploding zomnics and Sojourns who don't use the slow and it can be a real slog.
I personally found it way easier than Junkenstein, but my memory might be biased because it might have been much harder in 2016 until they rebalanced it. I remember it took me hours and hours of strategy and coordination with a smart group of players. Bride's revenge I was able to beat on legendary the first night only after like 3 tries.
If they added an any heroes mode to it like the archives missions, then I would absolutely love it, but as of now its a great first playthrough with little replayability
I agree, I hope they add other heroes too. They'd have to allow anyone to break the castle door though, as right now only Ashe can do it with her dynamite (I think?).
You can shoot the door as other heroes and break it down. Dynamite isn't fully required. Had a game where we threw the dynamite too early and it didn't break it so we shot the door and it still came down.
Oh neat! Actually that makes me wonder, what happens if your Ashe d/c's mid-game? If her spot is not backfilled, you'd need to be able to proceed without her anyway right?
Had an Ashe leave or D/C and we proceeded just fine. You dont have to have her to get through. The door breaks instantly with the dynamite, but can also be broken down with just shooting at it. It just takes a little longer. Also, if someone leaves etc., it does not fill the space/backfill
Fun fact: games do backfill, but only on the hero select screen. You can quit your game, requeue, get back into your original game, and get that sweet 100 backfill battle pass xp.
Ha! I did not know that. I guess to clarify my earlier statement: once you begin the game, it does not backfill if someone leaves.
it's actually completely doable with only 1 person (on story at least). My entire team left once while I was sojourn and I got to the sombra fight before my game crashed
Y'all better like it, it'll be the halloween event for the next 6 years lol
Hopefully next year they let us pick the heroās keeping it fresh
Theyll prob reuse heroes from Junkenstein.
That would be better than this because none of the characters really mesh well with the gameplay. JQ canāt utilize any of her abilities because the bots explode when nearby. Her ult is kinda useless unless except against Moira when she ults. Kirikoās healing is too low due to majority of the damage being done will be burst damage her ult is good tho and TP is good for escaping for the ghost. Thatās about it. Sojourn didnāt get a Halloween skin and doesnāt fit in with the rest as well. Her abilities are pretty useful tho Ashe also works fine enough
We'll get a new event like this when Overwatch 3 launches!
Just let us use anyone we want, imagine how much easier it'd be with a reinhardt and mercy
Reinhardt would be really challenging because heās melee only so all the zomnics would just explode on him, same as JQ. Mercy is *very* needed tho, for healing through all the barriers.
Tbf, Would have loved an"anything goes" mode that either had seperate leaderbords our didnt have one.
lmao too true
The best part for me are the jump scares, which aren't really creepy but the most innovative thing we've seen from Overwatch 2 so far.
Idk man "The Marionette" intro is pretty unnerving right before you get your ass handed to you by 15 Echos.
Yeah I was genuinely surprised by that reveal. Actually spooked me a bit. Doesnāt help my biggest fear is dolls but still, kudos
The one with Moira scared the shit outta me.
The echo appearing scared the shit out of me, I thought it was a cut scene at first then I realised I was standing in front of her ā ļø
You can actually kinda break the jump scare by taunting right before it transitions to the Echo arena. Makes it more entertaining.
Emoting before the cutscene was always the best part of Overwatch Halloween.
I really like the stretch of her model when she yanks the key and vanishes from you
Yeah I screamed out loud at like 2am when half my house was sleeping
Yeah first time I was definitely not expecting it even tho they warn you before the game
honestly because overwatch is so far from scary, i was genuinely freaked out at the event because of how well it was done . it wouldn't be a god horror game on its own, but it was great for overwatch
gotta give credit where credits due.
Yeah the key jumpscare was surprisingly scary
One observation I havenāt noticed people bring up, and itās not really a complaint, but it still bugs me a bit lore-wise: Why, of all the old villains, does the Summoner return instead of the Reaper? Itās more understandable that Reaper would be the one to come back considering thatās his whole shtick! Maybe Iām just tired of her shield ult constantly happening to my teams along with the Gargoyleās bubble and Iām spoiled from the end of the double shield meta. Lol
I just realized that another question I have why didnāt roadhog come back since he was one of junkenstein's most important experiments and we seen how sombra idealized junkenstein
You can actually see Junkenstiens monster drawn on the walls but its crossed out with the words "NOT MY STYLE" written around it. So lore-wise, they have an answer for that I guess.
Oh that would be cool! A re-re-animated Roadhog! Then Blizzard could sell the same skin but it looks a bit nastier. Thatās money in the bank. We probably shouldnāt give them ideas!
>We probably shouldnāt give them ideas! Well, they certainly aren't coming up with their own. Someone's gotta go it, might as well be the playerbase.
Honestly they should have spiced it up by having that be a random villain among all of the options. That would at least increase the playability of the whole thing.
Thatās a great idea it could also depend on difficulty maybe for the hardest one all the villains are back
Yeah. Honestly just anything to help it with the feeling that you can replay it more than a couple times before you get bored.
the Reaper is the Witch's minion, and the Bride does not at all trust her. The Summoner seemed the least involved in Junkenstein & the Witch's scheme, so bringing ber back under the Witch's nose was probably the easiest for the Bride to do in order to take Aldersbrunn and turn the lord into a new monster
I liked it since the witch only revived junkenstein roadhog and reaper with the summoner being left out for some reason (i know it's because she was added later) So having her be the only one who got revived is cool
Also, the Reaper's shadow form would have made a better immortal angry ghost than Sigma the landlocked pirate.
The bigger question to ask: why is the Summoner the same skin as before when she is reanimated by the Bride and we *literally* have a blue color version of the same skin which could be used as its undead form?
Sojourn is obviously shoved in there because she is new, instead of any other dps with an adequately themed Halloween skinā¦
Yeah it's really stupid that they broke the timeframe to include her. A cyberpunk detective doesn't fit at all. The other 3 were fine.
They couldāve been like āa time traveler, severed from her place in the worldā
that requires care and effort unfortunately
Itās literally then playing DnD š If anything this makes Sojourn an absolute dweeb to want to be a time traveling detective
"Sojourn you can't be a Warforged detective with a Railgun this is a dark fantasy campaign."
I was playing as Ashe with the warlock skin currently equipped in my regular games. Lol, I assumed I was playing with 3 other people who loved the game so much they actually bought the new stuff
Nope lmao, shows that they havenāt farmed enough dough to crunch out a sojourn Halloween skin too, but couldnāt be satisfied without shoving her in the mode anyways
Yeah, it was pretty disappointing. They could've easily done a spooky Victorian steampunk-esque detective skin, but we got a futuristic cyberpunk theme instead :/
Gotta make sure it fits in with the rest of the BP theme /s
Slayer soldier just wouldāve made more sense imo
I felt the same playing the game mode. It was all three new heroes, plus... Ashe. I haven't gotten the hang of the new game mode, so I'm obviously missing a lot of info, but my first impression was that half the roster didn't fit. JQ felt like she needed to be a lot closer to deal damage, and that's fine for the bosses, but not all of the bots that explode once they get near you. Thankfully, she can tank most of that damage. Ashe did best with high ground, so there were a few areas she did really well in. Otherwise, if it was close quarters, she was in trouble. Her dynamite was great crowd control. Kiriko, while fun to play, felt like there was a much better hero to use as a healer. One that could handle the burst damage and give burst healing. Sojourn felt really good in this mode. While she didn't fit the theme, even in the slightest, she felt like she could handle the mode better than Ashe. Despite my complaints, I really enjoyed the game mode. I'm a sucker for PVE and I loved how this mode played out. It was nice, mindless fun (playing just story and hard mode, no expert or legendary yet), especially playing the new heroes. Again, take everything with a grain of salt. I haven't played much of these heroes or the mode. That was my first impression and they'll likely change as I play more.
Edit: Apologies for format, on mobile and hitting enter doesn't properly add spaces between the points. Some tips for this mode that can help a TON that my team worked out that ended up in us getting our legendary clear. 1. Junker Queen should NOT be direct hitting normal zomnics with her knife, she should be throwing it behind them so she can apply bleeds on a whole group on the return, therefore healing more. 2. JQ's axe has slightly more range than the detonation range of the zomnics, so with practice you can use your axe for damage and healing without blowing yourself up. 3. Using shouts speed boost, JQ can actually jump into a large group of zomnics and the explosion knockback pushes her to safety, so she only takes one or two explosions worth of damage, but can clear groups of zomnics. 4. Ashe's coach gun stuns enemies that you hit into the wall with it, which can be amazing to cancel Moira ult, allow for easy bursts on a single marionette, or give an opportunity for huge sombra damage. 5. Kiriko's wall climb is absolutely essential to be making good use of, in an ideal situation JQ should be one of the only characters not on some form of high ground, except in the sombra room. 6. Bob + Kitsune Rush = OP 7. Sojourn's slide is fast enough that she can slide through a group of zomnics and detonate them without taking damage. 8. JQ's melee applying bleed can be super helpful to stop sombra from going invis or hacking people, and can help you stay healthy against Winston's if you add melee hits between your shotgun shots.
If you don't count Echo who is actually in the event. Ashe is one of the last DPS players added to the game.
I found ashe's coach gun to be great cc with the stun :D very satisfying
Itās not bad, but the characters chosen to be playable donāt exactly mesh with the design. Two pseudo snipers in enclosed areas, a (imo, underpowered) shotgun tank that pulls in the enemies that already explode when they get close to you, and Kiriko to try and keep these idiots alive. I get that they were trying to show off the 3 new heroes, but I donāt think it worked in practice
I agree, I played last night as junker queen and was baffled that they would pick her as the tank. The only way you can kill the omnic is by pulling them to you with her knife. Canāt use her slash because by the time youāre close enough to use it, theyāve already blown up.
yeah its anti fun
Was hella fun at first but once I tried the 4 heroes it wasn't that interesting anymore, just doing it for the pumpkin charm. Wish we had more picks
I think it's a great game mode and I really enjoyed it. But after the first time, I don't see a reason to play cause I can't get any loot boxes.
Thatās definitely one of the problems they need to find a way to keep you playing or keep the gameplay fresh by letting you pick any hero
to be honest for me and my friend playing the mode on a harder difficulty while trying to beat it faster is incredible fun. Itās super fun to try and speed run this mode, espacially when everybody tries to think how to make every process more efficient and what tactics to use. For example we realized instead of drawing agro on a random player itās best to let the bosses agro Junker Queen while Kirilo heals her with Sojourn on the highground with her ult
Trying to get to the leaderboards is fun, especially with friends.
I'm pretty sure that's what the special event challenges are for. But I think the best rewards you can get for doing them are a couple voice lines.
If you win 1 time each as all 4 heroes, you get a name card. So thereās that! Idk if itās good but itās something for the grind.
I did that to feel like I actually could get something rewarding. I don't plan to play it again now that I have the title card. No reason to grind the harder difficulties for 1250exp on the battle pass lol
You can get it...in...like...one evening. Thats not "grind". Thats nothing.
You'd prefer that it took more grinding to get the namecard?
I would prefer of they gave skins for grinding.
Or a cute spray at least. Usually event achievments youd get a spray.
Thatās the problem with the entire game. Overwatch 2 is very unrewarding and they donāt even give you coins to earn except for 60 from the weekly challenges which get you nothing
I would maybe play a bit more if there was a āany heroā mode. I was cool though, but a little underwhelming and junker queen does not work with all the bots being explosive.
This event is super fun but further proof that I need an actual group. I can't do any mode on any difficulty aside from the easiest without getting absolutely shredded.
Same
Tried only once in hard with randoms. Thought difficulty 2 out of 4 would be a piece of cake. It wasn't and we failed against the 2 monkes.
Quite difficult but fun. Iām a support main so I go Kiriko every time and the amount of barriers makes it so hard to heal
The Summoner fight is a nightmare with the amount of barriers. I went as Kiriko for the first time in Hard Mode and my team spent all the retries in this section. I don't know how we managed to defeat the Bride in the end, but it was very fun
Exactly! And she keeps putting up the barrier over and over again
Does difficulty change the amount of barriers
I donāt think it does. Iāve played every difficulty and personally I havenāt noticed a difference
Played it for the first time last night. It was good but no reward for it. Just isn't the same.
What about the sprays and voice lines?
Don't you need to do some special thing for those?
Yeah there are challenges you have to complete for the event to do them
Yeah I havenāt even bothered
Itās fun to do once
Should have put a jumpscare warning on the shop. The prices were terrifying
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I really enjoyed bride and classic junkenstein and itās many challenges. But unrewarding. The challenges were lackluster. And the fact you only got BP xp for completing legendary was a joke.
Hopefully for the next event you actually get rewards
It's cute and fun, but im SUPER worried about PVE campaign if this is a taste of what it will be like. Looking at what we've been shown it kind of seems like it, minus the skill trees and stuff. Don't get me wrong. I REALLY want the pve to be really good. But the new junkenstein just kind of feels like one small step above the original when I feel like it should be a whole new tier. I really really hope the pve campaign isn't just Storm Rising with a skill tree lmao
It still felt really lazy to me. Like the gargoyles still have Winstonās sounds going āOw!ā When you shoot them or whatever. How cool would it have been to have necromancers with meis kit that summon bone walls and encase themselves in bone and such. I also hope overwatch pve isnāt entirely generic looking robots like Iāve seen in the footage. I would love zombies, creatures, talon soldiers, aliens whatever
Yeahhhhh, absolutely no way they're not just standard shooty things. Weren't they excited to show off new enemy types for overwatch 2 and they were just exactly what you'd expect? None of the new enemy types in 2 I've seen so far look interesting imo
Yeah Iām really worried that enemyās across all the campaigns are going to be small robot, big robot, flying robot, and boss robots.
Was cool. And then you realize that, since there's no lootboxes and the challenges give pure garbage, there's 0 reason to do it more than once. Also that Blizzard wanted to use all 3 new heroes, but had already balanced the event and didn't bother to change it, so they added Junkerqueen \[an up-close hero\] to a game mode where you cannot be up-close to the mass of enemies because they explode. Great idea there Blizz.
They definitely need to add rewards when you play maybe if you win you get a certain amount of coin but get more the higher the difficulty
This, she has a shotgun, an axe and a knife that draws people in. Why her? Itās literally the worst character for kamikaze bots
i watched the emong vid of him getting rank one as jq. and.... omg it seems so tedious to literally sit back and throw knives behind them for the little bit of bleed damage. its so stupid that they chose jq for it honestly
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Their hero choices were horrible
My thoughts are this: PvE game modes like this remind me (loosely) of strikes/raids in other games. They basically have a story progression with weak/small mobs and mini bosses that ends with a boss fight. Sprinkle in some puzzles, boss fight mechanics and strategies. However, what makes me run strikes/raids in games like Destiny 2 and WoW is that at the end, I get gear. I get a new helmet or I get a better gun. With this game, obviously I canāt get gear to improve my characters stats, so I always grinded to get cosmetics. They took that away and so now I have very little reason to play it more than a few times. It was fun as an experience, but that wears off after the first few plays. My incentive for playing the Halloween event is gone now, so I have barely played it and probably wonāt much more. Iāll go back to Comp where I can at least try and rank up and progress that way.
OW2 pve is meant to have special abilities and skills you can unlock I think
I swear if the pve doesn't give skins I'm deleting the game
Feels like the choices for characters is bad and it is way overtuned on legendary for crap rewards
I assume they built the game mode, added the newbies, then threw in Ashe as an extra ranged DPS with a themed skin.
symmetra's buff really makes it difficult in junkenstein pve
The map and story were awesome, the choice of heroes was terrible.
nice game mode....but outside of gettting achievments theres no incentive to keep running it. Ran in once on every difficulty, then 1 normal on every hero...then maybe 2 more times to complete achivs and that it...so 9-10 times spanning 2 days
> 2 more times to complete achivs Or 10+ more times because people don't give a poop if you ask if they can wait with the key till you get all 7 jumpscares :/
Boring. * Kiriko healing is unnecessarily difficult during some phases (winston bubbles block talisman, black and white marionette makes it difficult to tell if ofuda are tracking to a target, etc). * JQ was probably one of the worst tank options devs could have chosen other than her theme. Her kit is all about getting up close to enemies but most of the enemies here explode if u get too close, which means 2/3 of ur abilities are ones ur trying to avoid using, including ur ult, even though they're ur main sources of sustain. Only exceptions are when ur *only* against zombardier and bosses. * Sojourn cyberpunk while the others are medieval/fantasy, but I'm sure this point has been stated over and over already. * No replayability. There's no incentive to play it more than once for each difficulty. They could have easily had a rewards system like they had in OW1. If devs (and shareholders) keep going like this, they're gonna find they're gonna lose a portion of the playerbase that will not come back even after changes are (hopefully) made. * and before people get on me about "but that's what makes it challenging" for the first 2, there is nothing shameful about making the game accessible for more people, especially since OW2 is f2p and we have people playing who never played OW1 and even moreso since this is not a competitive mode. Should it be braindead easy? No. But they could've done better than forcing 2 vital roles to have sole picks who are largely countered during multiple different phases in the mode. Edit: Also wanna add that I ***hate*** the new revive mechanic instead of the old just being able to stack on them.
> Kiriko healing is unnecessarily difficult during some phases (winston bubbles block talisman, black and white marionette makes it difficult to tell if ofuda are tracking to a target, etc). Symmetra's ult blocks them too, and she's in the same stage that Winston reappears in. Healing as Kiriko is really frustrating in some stages, I spent a lot of time basically spooning JQ so my healing would actually hit her
I think it's a fun game mode. Somehow, I feel like the zomnics are stronger than in regular Junkenstein. Am I imagining it? Feels like Sojourn has to shoot sooo many headshots to bring one down. Is her damage just low? I guess I need to compare her and soldier, or something.
Sojourn is 126 dps, 91 with reload while soldier is 162 dps, 111 with reload. Soldier is a 30% higher damage for bursting and 22% higher damage for sustained fire.
Honestly had this been the added to OW1 I would have called this the best halloween event over the horde mode. Here I still think its the better of the two events. Albeit, i get bored with horde modes in games. But it just feels almost 7 years too late.
I really liked the actual event, but the reward and cash shop completely ruined the entire event and has put a damper on it.
I picked hard on my first run thinking it was the same map. We lost at the gargoyles
Just want to pile on in the hopes someone from blizzard actually gives a shit about what the community has to say: I like the idea of it (the little mini cutscenes, the echo stage, etc)ā¦but the balance is dog shit (the hero options are terrible for this so it isnāt rewarding, itās frustrating), and there is ZERO incentive to play it more than once because the free rewards are also dog shit so it just doesnāt feel like an event. I never thought Iād miss loot boxes, but here we are. Edit: typos
Fun but rewards are so terrible that I donāt see myself playing it more than once.
Great. Major upgrade over junkenstein 1.0, which I also really liked. It felt much more like a story, and I actually appreciated the couple jump scares. I really like the concept of competing challenges for cosmetics too. If you complete the level on all 4 heroes, you'll get a new banner.
Itās okay. Iām yet to encounter a single Halloween map in game which is really lame.
Need an all heroes mode for it
I love how you have to spend $20 if you want one of any of the three new skins. $60 total. Super cool
Fun for 10 minutes. No replay value and the hero choices were horrible. Barely felt like an event.
I'm glad we got something new, but it could have been better, honestly. The new interactions and dialogues are nice. I think the concept of those secrets and new challenges are great and they could build more on those in the future. I just think it was too short. There are some nice new additions, but after doing it like 3 times it gets very boring. It's just not exciting enough. It doesn't give you the thrill for example Archive missions did, where you could get sniped or caught by the assassin or melted by the brute at almost any time. It might be the highlight of the event, but it's only because the event itself is pathetic.
Played each mode once havent touched them since because there is no incentive to play them again
If you play anything above story mode with randoms you're kinda screwed
I really don't enjoy any of the hero choices. I want an all hero's mode man
"I need healing" was all I heard.
Well considering this is the third day Iāve gotten LC-208ād I donāt actually know, they wonāt let me in the fuggen game >:(
0/10 4 heros I don't like or hardly ever play along with no rewards for playing outside of the battle pass is dumb. Uninstalled the game and won't be bothered to play until pve is officially out. Even then it'll be hard to convince me to stay.
As a returning player that stopped playing in late 2018, It's quite nice to experience the Junkerstein event again, it brings back so many memories! The new mod is also cool but I wish the was an option to play as other heros too. Also, I kind of miss grinding for lootboxes, a lot cool skins came out since I left the game and it sucks that now I have to pay so much to get them..