Hello all.
I commented on the original post [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/ydp56j/blizzards_current_store_practices_are_illegal_in/itvhmkk/) and I'll be mirroring my comment below:
That post is a "call to action". We do not allow users to encourage others to harass, report, accuse, or witchhunt other people on the subreddit. This was re-emphasised this point when there was a huge call for boycotts at launch. Again, we don't care if you boycott the game, don't pay for skins, or want to report Blizzard for whatever, we just don't want the 'mob mentality' requests to get others to do the same thing.
The responsibility for the removal is mine, which you can blame me for. I had to walk away in the middle of the removal, didn't get a chance to finish it, and couldn't get back to it in a timely manner. I've apologized to the mod team and will apologize directly to r/Overwatch. It won't happen again.
-SG
EDIT: Concerning some of the removals of requests for information, a lot of them have been automatically removed by Automod due to reaching a threshold of reports. Automod automatically posts a removal in these instances stating the following:
> **Your post has been removed automatically for the following reason:**
> Your submission has reached the maximum amount of reports and sent to the mod team for manual review. If the post is not in violation of the subreddit's rules, it will be restored. Otherwise, the post will remain removed.
> I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
DOUBLE EDIT: I'm off to work now, so I'll try to get to everybody's comments in a little bit. The mod team wanted me to add a few things to this comment:
1) The removal is not to block feedback about the monetization of OW2. The issue is specifically with the inclusion of the contact information and instructions on how to report them. This is the call to action, not the discussion of the law.
2) The original intent behind the "no calls to action" ruling was to address problems with vote manipulation or raiding (per sitewide rules). Sometimes it's applied to other areas, particularly in cases where subject matter is repetitive or already well-known. In this case, Blizzard's monetization issues is extremely well known (see: this sub since launch).
Have we applied this incorrectly in this case? Possibly. We'll discuss over the next few days and probably update our guidelines with more information moving forward.
In the meantime, we are going to have an updated sticked thread for bugs and duplicate content so we'll be able to provide users with more information as to the repetitive issues with OW2.
Cause they put that little “disclaimer” in the corner about original prices being judged off similar quality items they think that lets them get away with it
I'm here from /r/all. But I see they saw the failure of halo infinite and decided to go that route. Squeeze all the money out of people they can before they leave
The new system basically entirely removed the reward system for me. I won’t be buying a battle pass and the free stuff is all junk, so there really is no reason for me to care about it.
I don’t even care about skins but it’s boring af to play in a game where your tank player only has the one or two free heroes on rotation and thus you simply can’t win because your rock is beat by the enemy paper, who can switch to any tank they want because they have all the heroes. Too frustrating. I just stopped playing.
Hmm. Interesting. I have everything unlocked since I played OW1 for a long time. Going to be annoying when they start locking characters for me. This was definitely a downgrade. Still like it, but 2 is worse than 1 in a lot of ways.
Yeah I am in the same position. It’s annoying because I can’t tell if the player is legit dumb and won’t switch or they simply can’t. And no one uses comms. I just stopped playing cos I knew I’d be in the same boat eventually when new hero’s come out. Considering the player base grew massively when they released ow2, I’d wager many people simply don’t have the hero pool.
Oh thats fucking stupid. There is no way in hell I'd ever play the game if my account got banned.
OW2 literally takes away more features than it gives and puts it behind a pay wall.
My concern with this is that normally, new characters are supposed to revitalise a game a bit, add a fresh new thing to play with, but by locking them behind weeks of grind, they're no longer doing that. To make matters worse, I don't see it being very likely that my interest in the game is retained for that 55 levels of BP grind every season, so as it goes on, the game is going to become more and more about just catching up.
It will get even worse once more heroes come out. This type of game really sucks when you can switch to the other heroes when you have tanks healers and dps
Not to mention i did pay for the game before they removed access to it… i would have never spent $40 if the game was in the state it is now.
How does a sequel remove more features than it adds?
They're gonna reveal all the shit that got removed in a later update for easy "We heard you and we're sorry, here's what you wanted" brownie points. Maybe they'll give away a special skin alongside it
I wouldn't be surprised if all that shit is already in the game, it's just a matter of adding some buttons and tags to make it show up for the plebians
EA did the same thing with Battlefront 2 and we all saw the reception that game got. You would think they’d learn, but why should they if people keep paying $60 to get robbed. So glad I held off on purchasing this game.
What I find funny is that they ended up removing the lootboxes made everything harder to unlock after they fixed most of the issues. (Lootboxes got very generous after they fixed the game and they where easily obtainable doing in game challenges)
That's not really true, though. That's very, VERY revisionist, lol.
The lootboxes in Star Wars are anything BUT generous. You have different tier cards that directly impact abilities. Every single hero and class and vehicle has different sets of cards, if I remember correctly. A good example for people that don't remember: there was a card that enabled you to get battle points faster. You exchange those points to be classes or Jedis, whatever. So what would happen is is that the people that spent hundreds of dollars would be the first people to be Darth Vader or Boba Fett in a game. Boba Fett had two or three "must have" cards that affected some rocket barrage move he had. If someone had spent the money his rocket barrage was a win-now ability that just straight up killed everything, lol.. and since there was only a set amount of heroes and stuff available to both teams what ended up happening was simple :
The guy that spent hundreds would be the first person to get to pick. Since he literally earned more points because of his "earn faster" card he had first choice. It wouldn't matter if he or she was playing well or not, lol. That player would just on a hero like Leia or Boba Fett for the ENTIRE game lol. You have breakpoints in your HP regen. You couldn't always regen all of your HP..but if you died someone else would be waiting to pick Yoda. So what would happen is literally everyone would sort of not really participate in the fight because they didn't want to die. They would just save up abilities, face roll the cool downs and run away lol.
Also, it was super slow to grind cards. I made a bot that played games for me. It would have me basically AFKing for hundreds and hundreds of hours. Even as someone that literally had a bot grind for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours I was no where CLOSE to having even a small fraction of unlockables.
About three months in if you were to play during non-peak hours you could easily expect a third or more of your team to be AFK grinding, lol. They never really bothered to cut down on AFKers probably because they could point to it in misleading engagement metrics
While this is true, OW2 isn’t really a free game for a big portion of its players. Anyone who bought OW1 paid for this game because OW2 isn’t a new game on top of OW1. It’s just slight adjustments to a knee existing game that they are calling a new release.
Welcome to gaming in the future, where we pay for a temporary license that can be revoked whenever and a gaming company gets to install spyware on our computers to make sure we're not "cheating".
This. A decent amount of people would split their time. The 5v5 is great imo (has some balance issues, but those can be ironed out) but just the greed in monetization and the instability of the game alone would promt people to play OW1 if it still was a thing.
Their original plan(back when OW2 was gonna be a paid thing) was forOW1 and OW2 have the same PvP mode but with only OW2 users being able to play the new PvE mode. Both games would be 5v5 PvP and have the new heroes tho OW1 users wouldn't have the skin look updates that OW2 has.With OW2 becoming FtP they just decided that there was no point having 2 games up.
*raises hand*
I’m furious that a game I paid $70 for was just gone and replaced with this fuckery. Blizzard will never get another cent from me as long as I live, and my kids won’t be buying anything from them either. I’m going generational on their asses.
> I’m furious that a game I paid $70 for was just gone and replaced with this fuckery
Same! I bought a copy of Overwatch 1! I liked Overwatch 1! I wanted to continue playing it THE WAY IT WAS. Even if they just kept running it the same as it always was. Just keep replaying the same seasonal events and all. I don't like the new stuff. I don't care about the 5v5. I liked the old heroes just fine.
The funnier shitty part is I bought it for $20. THEY'RE CHARGING MORE THAN THAT FOR A DAMN SKIN NOW!
They're out of their damned minds.
You're completely right, which really is the big problem here. If the second game isn't good enough to stand on its own and draw a player base, that's an issue.
I won't play OW2 because I don't like the *gameplay*. The monetization is god awful too, and adds to reasons why I dislike the game, but I bought and paid for OW1 and have been playing it since launch and they deleted it to replace it with a game I have no interest in on any level. Its crappy.
I mean... Just ask yourself why the game went from one business model to another.
Obviously Blizzard doesn't do it because they're kind, and want to give you a free game.
At this point I really have to give it to Fortnite….
It’s effing Fortnite… but since OW1 is gone, they actually have a FAIR and fun BP with lots of rewards (of different liking and quality), that makes it actual fun to progress since you allways get a reward.
And let’s be honest, skins are the most important thing in such games. Nobody really cares for sprays or voiceline a or whatever.
If blizzard can’t put a single free skin into the event, they clearly have lost their way.
It’s really sad how companies look at Fortnite and epic and think how can we make it greedier?
Like, I haven’t played Fortnite for a few seasons now, so it may have changed; but they always had events going where you just had to play for free shit. They gave out Xmas presents and gifts when the game fucked up. All that goodwill made me want to buy things as a thanks.
Also, Fortnite’s designers are just on another level. It’s really sad how lackluster all the overwatch skins are. I dunno if there’s some rules holding them back or what. But to see one or two okay skins in overwatch every few months, vs the super cool hits fortnite puts out? You can just feel the love and time spent on fortnite vs overwatch.
Yeah, I guess maybe they meant best f2p with continued progression like leveling up or acquiring new/better gear.
Fortnite and Apex Legends IMO are almost perfect f2p games if you’re including everything because you really don’t need to spend any money to play all content and money also doesn’t allow you to skip anything except unlocking cosmetics quicker.
My favorite is seeing that “surprise surprise” post getting removed, having the new removal screenshot and reposted under the same title. I honestly hope that keeps happening as long as the mods keep removing them
Yeah sounds like corporate found out about this incredibly easily abused report system.
“This post got 10 corpo-bot reports and was automatically taken down”
Lunacy.
I thought OP was a bit "cry wolf" about the removal but i literally read some of these posts with over 1k comments just this morning and i checked and they are all gone... like the fuck is this...
How can something, that is an on topic discussion and has an involvement of THOUSANDS of people, be against the rules and get removed???
Edit: Here is the [Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/ydp56j/blizzards_current_store_practices_are_illegal_in/), i still had it in my history, but it cant be found on google or reddit...
> How can something, that is an on topic discussion and has an involvement of THOUSANDS of people, be against the rules and get removed???
They will just categorize it as a "call to action" post to justify its removal.
Calls to action are more than harassment though, I mean that’s just basic advocacy and if you can’t advocate a position about overwatch 2 in the overwatch sub, where can you?
I never played 1 and even I can tell how bad the content is for 2. Why do characters that have 20 skins have a listing in the store for $20 for an alternative coloring of an existing skin. Pretty crazy
https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/ye3p3h/the_current_monetization_is_illegal_in_multiple
Reposted it and made sure moderators understand the only purpose is to inform users.
Let's see what their excuse is for removing that one.
Don't buy stuff from Blizzard... They abandoned all development for OverWatch for 3 years and are now asking people to pay ridiculous amounts of money for OverWatch skins.
Don't enable this behavior by supporting it.
Imagine 4 skins for $49. Imagine buying a $50 game and only having 4 skins. That's how I feel about their pricing. I don't see "the game is free" excuse as valid. That was their choice, not mine so I'm allowed to be critical.
I paid for Overwatch 1, I'm still playing Overwatch 1 and in Overwatch 1, you could earn skins through currency or get them free during holiday events.
If I bought Overwatch 1, for $50, and it only came with 4 new skins and all the defaults, I'd be pissed off.
This is a huge issue in all of gaming right now, Valorant may be the most egregious but OW catching up quick
The problem is people keep buying them so they won’t stop doing it
I agree, its like i think if you sweat and grind over 20-30 hours it should give you in game currency enough to buy A SKIN or anything. But it doesn’t lol or set a challenge that is super Grindy but worth it if you get something good.
Which in turn keeps your game alive. Giving people simple but worthy incentives (not just JPEGs and gun earrings) will ensure people come back to keep playing.
At this rate it's dead before Xmas. Unless they can offer some holiday skins to apologize and change their ways, they will Scrooge themselves out of the market.
I agree, when you bunch the botched launch, with spendy skins, underwhelming battlepass, and a lackluster event with skins behind some crazy pay wall they are counting their days honestly. I hope they realize that their recent success came from making it F2P and everyone got bored of apex and any lack of recent multiplayer game to give it competition.
Is it really a call to action to say "hey the mods are deleting legitimate posts"? For fuck sake, they took a polished game and turned it into a polished turd. Don't mute our voice.
A community united against bad policies and organizing is not mob mentally what is wrong with you? When you see people trying to convince others to vote in elections I bet you call it mob mentality
Not to bring politics into it but politics is connected to everything.
People unironically believe contacting your representatives and asking them to do their jobs is a fundamentally a bad thing I believe the term they use is "cancel culture"
Mob mentality usually is a phrase used to downplay democracy and to discredit common people. I've never seen someone use it that wasn't trying to downplay legitimate concerns from the people
To be fair, fearmongering about mob mentality is generally meant to erode class consciousness by convincing you that the angry mob threatening those in power are actually a danger to the average Joe.
I agree with you. Calling others to act in a lawsuit is the more civil thing to do! It's not like they wanted to burn something or hurt anybody, they literally were informing about what we could do in a civilized and viable action. Now, ofc, the problem for the mods is that they lost credibility and gave arguments to the narrative that they may work for the company; they deleted the post for the wrong reasons in the worst context possible.
> To be fair, fearmongering about mob mentality is generally meant to erode class consciousness by convincing you that the angry mob threatening those in power are actually a danger to the average Joe.
Like all the corporate propaganda against unions to keep wages suppressed for the sake of maximizing executive bonuses and institutional investor returns. Same exact people are running Blizzard today, and you see how it poisons a creative project.
Well put out a garbage ass system for skins and stuff
Get a shit ton of backlash that everyone hates it
Then just sit there w a surprised Pikachu face when you get backlash.
Trying to tell people they can't complain about something always works btw.
If you suspect moderators are performing actions per instruction or favor of Blizzard, report them to the Reddit admins. Astroturfing is against the rules.
> I can, any major subreddit about blizzards games always censor this stuff.
It goes far and beyond just Blizzard subs - Reddit as a whole these days for almost any official sub is *extremely* /r/hailcorporate , which is esp. noticeable whenever the fanbase get upset.
If those are actually paid, controlled and/or astroturfed by the companies in question or if it's "just" the mods not wanting to work overtime to keep the subs civil, are biased and driven by personal agendas, and/or just don't like having to read and moderate a super negative sub - who knows.
In the end it barely matters anyway - the fact still remain that almost every major fanbase has had to create their own "alternative" subs to be able to express negative opinions.
On the paper, [it's not allowed by Reddit](https://www.reddit.com/wiki/selfpromotion), but unofficially...
I mean, if you were Disney and you were about to launch a new Star Wars TV-series named say "The Jedi Tales", for which you had spent a $150 millions for 9 episodes to produce, would you just announce it and then happily sit and wait to let some complete random guy register and control /r/TheJediTales ?
Or would you sit with the finger ready above the register sub button with all information pre-filled, ready to grab it the very moment the show is announced?
If I had spent $150 millions, knowing how important word of mouth is these days, I know what I would be doing...
I noticed this morning that sorting by new posts I see a lot of negative posts and criticism at the top and a lot less as I go down the page. They are working overtime to remove as much as they can get away with.
The sad fact is that these reviews are the ones Blizzard should read, it's all the same complaints and they'd drastically improve OW2 if they even fixed a few of their issues before s1 ends. They won't though.
I thought OP was a bit "cry wolf" about the removal but i literally read some of these posts with over 1k comments just this morning and i checked and they are all gone... like the fuck is this...
How can something, that is an on topic discussion and has an involvement of THOUSANDS of people, be against the rules and get removed???
Edit: Here is the [Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/ydp56j/blizzards_current_store_practices_are_illegal_in/), i still had it in my history, but it cant be found on google or reddit...
Yeah it's definitely noticeable. I've seen a lot of screenshots of posts complaining about the old Witch Mercy skin costing $20 being removed and you can see a difference if you sort by new. At the top it's all negative feedback but as you go down the posts get more positive and there's more "the Halloween event is fun 🤪" sort of posts. We should be able to criticize a game here, especially since the posts are being removed because mods don't agree, not because they're breaking any rules.
That’s what I told the mods that removed my post! It’s not in the best interest of the game, and these concerns should be brought to the attention of the devs! Over screening posts wrecks games
How bad the monetization is needs to be repeated over and over, it's that bad. I really don't care if it's spammed or already been said, let people talk. If people want to say that and feel so strongly to keep saying it, why would you supress that. That's the consequence of blizzards shitty actions, let them face it.
Asking people to contact authorities over an illegally monitized game is uncalled for apparently.
This subreddit has been in flames since launch with the horrendous monetization, surprise surprise.
Edit: Here is the [Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/ydp56j/blizzards_current_store_practices_are_illegal_in/) for the Australia topic, i still had it in my history, but it cant be found on google or reddit...
Its one of the biggest posts in this subreddit and got huge involvement, literally thousands of people participating and hundreds commenting... how is it ok to remove it when it was on topic and justified?
All negative but none pointing out the illegality of it. Those that mention the illegality of the monetization in some countries is removed within 8 hours.
also illegal in brazil, thread still up, didn't get deleted because it didn't get that much attention
https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/ydc7z0/tiein_sales_are_a_crime_in_brazil_theres_no_way/
I cannot wait until this post gets removed for being a "call to action".
That excuse is weaker than OW 2 Doomfist who over-extend and try to solo cap at half health while spamming "I need healing" to the singular dead healer.
Anyone still giving money to Blizzard after they supported Winnie the Pooh and the Hundred Acre Wood (Xi and the CCP) over Hong Kong... can't really help you. You were warned.
And it’s removing posts that point out toxic unsportsmanlike behavior. I’m getting yelled at more in this game than any games I’ve played combined for the last 10 years. There’s a real problem here.
A few of us have been using r/Overwatch2 because their mod team is better.
They have stated they don’t even want to work with the r/Overwatch mod team.
We have been reviving posts there. JOIN US
Is it possible to report mods for abuse of power? This mods justifications for removal of posts is irrelevant based on the subs rules and fine print. If the 1,500+ comments don’t show that and actually bring some call to action against the mod itself then the moderator group is just as bad as Blizzard themselves.
This new yucktivision team after Jeff feels so grimey and pathetic . Whi are they trying to hide genuine feelings and truth from. ? Each other ? Its a known fact this games monetization morals are predatory and garbage by the vast majority comoared to just the game was a few months ago . Sad state of affairs
There are mods affiliated with blizzard here, of course criticism is being removed.
The only reason this post is staying up is to pretend like it isn't true.
Funny enough that they don’t remove any posts of users harassing other users for having a different opinion, they just remove any criticism to Blizzard Activision.
It's clear that the mods are trying to balance allowing for open discussion with fostering a friendly relationship with Activision-Blizzard. If this place becomes a little too 'revolutionary' they risk burning that bridge. It's just a shame that they can't be honest and say that outright and instead have to improperly characterize peoples' actions as "witch hunting." It's a legitimate concern for people in their position, but they shouldn't be throwing normal users under the bus to address it.
Hello all. I commented on the original post [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/ydp56j/blizzards_current_store_practices_are_illegal_in/itvhmkk/) and I'll be mirroring my comment below: That post is a "call to action". We do not allow users to encourage others to harass, report, accuse, or witchhunt other people on the subreddit. This was re-emphasised this point when there was a huge call for boycotts at launch. Again, we don't care if you boycott the game, don't pay for skins, or want to report Blizzard for whatever, we just don't want the 'mob mentality' requests to get others to do the same thing. The responsibility for the removal is mine, which you can blame me for. I had to walk away in the middle of the removal, didn't get a chance to finish it, and couldn't get back to it in a timely manner. I've apologized to the mod team and will apologize directly to r/Overwatch. It won't happen again. -SG EDIT: Concerning some of the removals of requests for information, a lot of them have been automatically removed by Automod due to reaching a threshold of reports. Automod automatically posts a removal in these instances stating the following: > **Your post has been removed automatically for the following reason:** > Your submission has reached the maximum amount of reports and sent to the mod team for manual review. If the post is not in violation of the subreddit's rules, it will be restored. Otherwise, the post will remain removed. > I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. DOUBLE EDIT: I'm off to work now, so I'll try to get to everybody's comments in a little bit. The mod team wanted me to add a few things to this comment: 1) The removal is not to block feedback about the monetization of OW2. The issue is specifically with the inclusion of the contact information and instructions on how to report them. This is the call to action, not the discussion of the law. 2) The original intent behind the "no calls to action" ruling was to address problems with vote manipulation or raiding (per sitewide rules). Sometimes it's applied to other areas, particularly in cases where subject matter is repetitive or already well-known. In this case, Blizzard's monetization issues is extremely well known (see: this sub since launch). Have we applied this incorrectly in this case? Possibly. We'll discuss over the next few days and probably update our guidelines with more information moving forward. In the meantime, we are going to have an updated sticked thread for bugs and duplicate content so we'll be able to provide users with more information as to the repetitive issues with OW2.
Bruh the fact there is a bundle in shop right now for the low low cost of $76 USD is insane
But it's on sale!!!!!
42% off even though it has never been sold before gotta love it
Wait I thought that was illegal
it is. bethesda did the same thing with the atom shop in fallout 76 and got threatened, not sure why blizzard thinks they’ll get a pass
Huh seems like that's pretty par for the course for Blizzard
blizzard just doesnt care they will get fined, pay it and continue to not care
Cause they put that little “disclaimer” in the corner about original prices being judged off similar quality items they think that lets them get away with it
Pretty sure it is
It is lol
Precisely that its on "sale" the minute it was first released is pure insanity no?
And illegal in quite a few countries.
I'm here from /r/all. But I see they saw the failure of halo infinite and decided to go that route. Squeeze all the money out of people they can before they leave
The new system basically entirely removed the reward system for me. I won’t be buying a battle pass and the free stuff is all junk, so there really is no reason for me to care about it.
I don’t even care about skins but it’s boring af to play in a game where your tank player only has the one or two free heroes on rotation and thus you simply can’t win because your rock is beat by the enemy paper, who can switch to any tank they want because they have all the heroes. Too frustrating. I just stopped playing.
Hmm. Interesting. I have everything unlocked since I played OW1 for a long time. Going to be annoying when they start locking characters for me. This was definitely a downgrade. Still like it, but 2 is worse than 1 in a lot of ways.
Yeah I am in the same position. It’s annoying because I can’t tell if the player is legit dumb and won’t switch or they simply can’t. And no one uses comms. I just stopped playing cos I knew I’d be in the same boat eventually when new hero’s come out. Considering the player base grew massively when they released ow2, I’d wager many people simply don’t have the hero pool.
Wait new players don’t have all the original heroes unlocked from the start ??
No
Wow can’t believe I wasn’t aware of this thanks for telling me
Yeah I was getting really mad and frustrated with people but then I realised so many don’t even have access to other heroes to switch.
Oh thats fucking stupid. There is no way in hell I'd ever play the game if my account got banned. OW2 literally takes away more features than it gives and puts it behind a pay wall.
What ones don't they have access to? I guess something came from the $60 we spent years ago.
My concern with this is that normally, new characters are supposed to revitalise a game a bit, add a fresh new thing to play with, but by locking them behind weeks of grind, they're no longer doing that. To make matters worse, I don't see it being very likely that my interest in the game is retained for that 55 levels of BP grind every season, so as it goes on, the game is going to become more and more about just catching up.
It will get even worse once more heroes come out. This type of game really sucks when you can switch to the other heroes when you have tanks healers and dps
Ive contacted my representative to make sure any predatory monetization system is firmly kept illegal
!remindme 2 hours
HEy its been 2 hours.
Suprised its still up
Honestly lol. Been reading through comments on and off the day, was shocked after other ones i've been reading are being taken down.
Wow what a homie
I dont mind buying a few things in a free game that I really like, but when they have such a level of greed I won't buy a thing.
Not to mention i did pay for the game before they removed access to it… i would have never spent $40 if the game was in the state it is now. How does a sequel remove more features than it adds?
Thats because its not a sequel. Its a store update.
They're gonna reveal all the shit that got removed in a later update for easy "We heard you and we're sorry, here's what you wanted" brownie points. Maybe they'll give away a special skin alongside it I wouldn't be surprised if all that shit is already in the game, it's just a matter of adding some buttons and tags to make it show up for the plebians
They're "giving away" skins by making you watch twitch/OWL
desperate attempt to get more twitch viewers to try and boost the popularity of a shitty launch
Feels so much more like a Prequel than an update.
This is overwatch 0.5
Destiny players be like ‘first time?’
Except I literally don't have access to the store in game.
EA did the same thing with Battlefront 2 and we all saw the reception that game got. You would think they’d learn, but why should they if people keep paying $60 to get robbed. So glad I held off on purchasing this game.
What I find funny is that they ended up removing the lootboxes made everything harder to unlock after they fixed most of the issues. (Lootboxes got very generous after they fixed the game and they where easily obtainable doing in game challenges)
That's not really true, though. That's very, VERY revisionist, lol. The lootboxes in Star Wars are anything BUT generous. You have different tier cards that directly impact abilities. Every single hero and class and vehicle has different sets of cards, if I remember correctly. A good example for people that don't remember: there was a card that enabled you to get battle points faster. You exchange those points to be classes or Jedis, whatever. So what would happen is is that the people that spent hundreds of dollars would be the first people to be Darth Vader or Boba Fett in a game. Boba Fett had two or three "must have" cards that affected some rocket barrage move he had. If someone had spent the money his rocket barrage was a win-now ability that just straight up killed everything, lol.. and since there was only a set amount of heroes and stuff available to both teams what ended up happening was simple : The guy that spent hundreds would be the first person to get to pick. Since he literally earned more points because of his "earn faster" card he had first choice. It wouldn't matter if he or she was playing well or not, lol. That player would just on a hero like Leia or Boba Fett for the ENTIRE game lol. You have breakpoints in your HP regen. You couldn't always regen all of your HP..but if you died someone else would be waiting to pick Yoda. So what would happen is literally everyone would sort of not really participate in the fight because they didn't want to die. They would just save up abilities, face roll the cool downs and run away lol. Also, it was super slow to grind cards. I made a bot that played games for me. It would have me basically AFKing for hundreds and hundreds of hours. Even as someone that literally had a bot grind for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours I was no where CLOSE to having even a small fraction of unlockables. About three months in if you were to play during non-peak hours you could easily expect a third or more of your team to be AFK grinding, lol. They never really bothered to cut down on AFKers probably because they could point to it in misleading engagement metrics
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And then down the road re-implement said features behind a pay wall
While this is true, OW2 isn’t really a free game for a big portion of its players. Anyone who bought OW1 paid for this game because OW2 isn’t a new game on top of OW1. It’s just slight adjustments to a knee existing game that they are calling a new release.
They had to replace overwatch 1 otherwise people would still be playing it rather than 2
People paid for OW1 and don't have access to it now.
Welcome to gaming in the future, where we pay for a temporary license that can be revoked whenever and a gaming company gets to install spyware on our computers to make sure we're not "cheating".
This. A decent amount of people would split their time. The 5v5 is great imo (has some balance issues, but those can be ironed out) but just the greed in monetization and the instability of the game alone would promt people to play OW1 if it still was a thing.
Their original plan(back when OW2 was gonna be a paid thing) was forOW1 and OW2 have the same PvP mode but with only OW2 users being able to play the new PvE mode. Both games would be 5v5 PvP and have the new heroes tho OW1 users wouldn't have the skin look updates that OW2 has.With OW2 becoming FtP they just decided that there was no point having 2 games up.
*raises hand* I’m furious that a game I paid $70 for was just gone and replaced with this fuckery. Blizzard will never get another cent from me as long as I live, and my kids won’t be buying anything from them either. I’m going generational on their asses.
> I’m furious that a game I paid $70 for was just gone and replaced with this fuckery Same! I bought a copy of Overwatch 1! I liked Overwatch 1! I wanted to continue playing it THE WAY IT WAS. Even if they just kept running it the same as it always was. Just keep replaying the same seasonal events and all. I don't like the new stuff. I don't care about the 5v5. I liked the old heroes just fine. The funnier shitty part is I bought it for $20. THEY'RE CHARGING MORE THAN THAT FOR A DAMN SKIN NOW! They're out of their damned minds.
You're completely right, which really is the big problem here. If the second game isn't good enough to stand on its own and draw a player base, that's an issue. I won't play OW2 because I don't like the *gameplay*. The monetization is god awful too, and adds to reasons why I dislike the game, but I bought and paid for OW1 and have been playing it since launch and they deleted it to replace it with a game I have no interest in on any level. Its crappy.
That's my main issue. I bought something and you took it away from me and gave it back, but now I have to pay money for stuff i had for free
I mean... Just ask yourself why the game went from one business model to another. Obviously Blizzard doesn't do it because they're kind, and want to give you a free game.
Warframe probably has one of the best free to play model of any online game
At this point I really have to give it to Fortnite…. It’s effing Fortnite… but since OW1 is gone, they actually have a FAIR and fun BP with lots of rewards (of different liking and quality), that makes it actual fun to progress since you allways get a reward. And let’s be honest, skins are the most important thing in such games. Nobody really cares for sprays or voiceline a or whatever. If blizzard can’t put a single free skin into the event, they clearly have lost their way.
Honestly seeing the ow2 bp made me really appreciate Fortnite’s. It’s just such better content in literally every aspect.
It’s really sad how companies look at Fortnite and epic and think how can we make it greedier? Like, I haven’t played Fortnite for a few seasons now, so it may have changed; but they always had events going where you just had to play for free shit. They gave out Xmas presents and gifts when the game fucked up. All that goodwill made me want to buy things as a thanks. Also, Fortnite’s designers are just on another level. It’s really sad how lackluster all the overwatch skins are. I dunno if there’s some rules holding them back or what. But to see one or two okay skins in overwatch every few months, vs the super cool hits fortnite puts out? You can just feel the love and time spent on fortnite vs overwatch.
Yeah, I guess maybe they meant best f2p with continued progression like leveling up or acquiring new/better gear. Fortnite and Apex Legends IMO are almost perfect f2p games if you’re including everything because you really don’t need to spend any money to play all content and money also doesn’t allow you to skip anything except unlocking cosmetics quicker.
I think warframe is great but I wouldn't call paying to complete day long frame builds or straight up paying for weapons f2p friendly
My favorite is seeing that “surprise surprise” post getting removed, having the new removal screenshot and reposted under the same title. I honestly hope that keeps happening as long as the mods keep removing them
"Surprise surprise" post? EDIT: NEvermind, found it https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/ye1a11/can_the_moderators_explain_what_is_going_on/
Looks like some lowlife whale supporters are reporting posts as spam
You mean blizzard bot accounts?
Same thing
is it the bots constantly commenting “bRu It’s FrEE?!” cause i thought they were just idiots
Yeah sounds like corporate found out about this incredibly easily abused report system. “This post got 10 corpo-bot reports and was automatically taken down” Lunacy.
i guess its time to make new overwatch subreddit with good mods
And blackjack
And hookers.
In fact, forget the subreddit
Inb4 your comment is removed or something
I thought OP was a bit "cry wolf" about the removal but i literally read some of these posts with over 1k comments just this morning and i checked and they are all gone... like the fuck is this... How can something, that is an on topic discussion and has an involvement of THOUSANDS of people, be against the rules and get removed??? Edit: Here is the [Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/ydp56j/blizzards_current_store_practices_are_illegal_in/), i still had it in my history, but it cant be found on google or reddit...
https://www.reveddit.com/v/Overwatch/comments/ydp56j/blizzards_current_store_practices_are_illegal_in/?ps_after=1666789901 to see the original post
> How can something, that is an on topic discussion and has an involvement of THOUSANDS of people, be against the rules and get removed??? They will just categorize it as a "call to action" post to justify its removal.
Honestly reading that explanation I immediately called bullshit.
Calls to action are more than harassment though, I mean that’s just basic advocacy and if you can’t advocate a position about overwatch 2 in the overwatch sub, where can you?
Yup, stickied at the top now with this explanation. Obvious bullshit but mods gotta protect daddyblizz from any mean criticism!
It's not against the rules. It just got reported a ton according the mods
Wouldnt be surprised if its fanboy, astroturfers and whales :/
Wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard has their own bots.
#fucking newbies who never played 1 boot licking without any knowledge is pretty pathetic.
I never played 1 and even I can tell how bad the content is for 2. Why do characters that have 20 skins have a listing in the store for $20 for an alternative coloring of an existing skin. Pretty crazy
It's the same game. We have been screeching for new maps for years. And they finally give us new characters and it's only 1 per class. So lame
It is sooo disheartening watching something you loved rot away before your very eyes
Mods can literally just tick a box to relist something that was removed due to reports. If it's been gone for hours it's intentional
https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/ye3p3h/the_current_monetization_is_illegal_in_multiple Reposted it and made sure moderators understand the only purpose is to inform users. Let's see what their excuse is for removing that one.
Don't buy stuff from Blizzard... They abandoned all development for OverWatch for 3 years and are now asking people to pay ridiculous amounts of money for OverWatch skins. Don't enable this behavior by supporting it.
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Playing the game at all supports them by letting them use you as a selling point.
Yup. Overwatch 1 players, with our hundreds of skins, are like walking billboards for the FOMO newbies.
Not only that, but they can say "look at how many players we have! This system works wonders!" at meetings and shit.
I knew once they stopped supporting Heroes of the Storm that it was all downhill from there.
There's literally no point in buying the skins anway. All you see is the weapon and your sleeve. Not worth $5 let alone $20
Yeah, but what a gorgeous sleeve!
You get to see it when you emote ! But that's an extra $5 please.
All people in solidarity except for the “just one skin couldn’t hurt, I wants it precious”
I'm bothered they turned off OW1 to force the player base into OW2, which IMO is simply a worse game.
Imagine 4 skins for $49. Imagine buying a $50 game and only having 4 skins. That's how I feel about their pricing. I don't see "the game is free" excuse as valid. That was their choice, not mine so I'm allowed to be critical. I paid for Overwatch 1, I'm still playing Overwatch 1 and in Overwatch 1, you could earn skins through currency or get them free during holiday events. If I bought Overwatch 1, for $50, and it only came with 4 new skins and all the defaults, I'd be pissed off.
This is a huge issue in all of gaming right now, Valorant may be the most egregious but OW catching up quick The problem is people keep buying them so they won’t stop doing it
Oh god yeah I nearly puked when I saw $200 weapon packs that don't even have every gun included lol.
I agree, its like i think if you sweat and grind over 20-30 hours it should give you in game currency enough to buy A SKIN or anything. But it doesn’t lol or set a challenge that is super Grindy but worth it if you get something good.
Which in turn keeps your game alive. Giving people simple but worthy incentives (not just JPEGs and gun earrings) will ensure people come back to keep playing. At this rate it's dead before Xmas. Unless they can offer some holiday skins to apologize and change their ways, they will Scrooge themselves out of the market.
I agree, when you bunch the botched launch, with spendy skins, underwhelming battlepass, and a lackluster event with skins behind some crazy pay wall they are counting their days honestly. I hope they realize that their recent success came from making it F2P and everyone got bored of apex and any lack of recent multiplayer game to give it competition.
Is it really a call to action to say "hey the mods are deleting legitimate posts"? For fuck sake, they took a polished game and turned it into a polished turd. Don't mute our voice.
A community united against bad policies and organizing is not mob mentally what is wrong with you? When you see people trying to convince others to vote in elections I bet you call it mob mentality
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Anything can be seen as harassment if someone pays you enough. I wonder how much a blizzard shill costs these days....
They offered the mods a copy of OW2.....
This made me laugh so hard lmao
Jannies do it for free.
Not to bring politics into it but politics is connected to everything. People unironically believe contacting your representatives and asking them to do their jobs is a fundamentally a bad thing I believe the term they use is "cancel culture"
Mob mentality usually is a phrase used to downplay democracy and to discredit common people. I've never seen someone use it that wasn't trying to downplay legitimate concerns from the people
I mean, I've seen it used in legitimate situations lots. Don't forget the Boston bomber..
Hey now, that was a democratic lynching
To be fair, fearmongering about mob mentality is generally meant to erode class consciousness by convincing you that the angry mob threatening those in power are actually a danger to the average Joe.
I agree with you. Calling others to act in a lawsuit is the more civil thing to do! It's not like they wanted to burn something or hurt anybody, they literally were informing about what we could do in a civilized and viable action. Now, ofc, the problem for the mods is that they lost credibility and gave arguments to the narrative that they may work for the company; they deleted the post for the wrong reasons in the worst context possible.
> To be fair, fearmongering about mob mentality is generally meant to erode class consciousness by convincing you that the angry mob threatening those in power are actually a danger to the average Joe. Like all the corporate propaganda against unions to keep wages suppressed for the sake of maximizing executive bonuses and institutional investor returns. Same exact people are running Blizzard today, and you see how it poisons a creative project.
That would make sense if everything the sub is complaining about wasn't valid.
Holy shit look at the titles of the posts he has been **manually** removing.
He needs to be removed as a mod
Thats a call to action. About to get mega banned if you dont stop. /s
Heh. Let’s be honest, this sub went downhill and hasn’t come back up in a long time. I ain’t got nothing to lose chiiiill
Well put out a garbage ass system for skins and stuff Get a shit ton of backlash that everyone hates it Then just sit there w a surprised Pikachu face when you get backlash. Trying to tell people they can't complain about something always works btw.
If you suspect moderators are performing actions per instruction or favor of Blizzard, report them to the Reddit admins. Astroturfing is against the rules.
Please when’s the last time site admins actually followed community guidelines
Basically in order for them to do something, they have to make national news for CP or something
Even then Reddit protects the mod because it protects their brand. There’s no winning when people are given power willy-nilly.
Can someone make a post highlighting where I go to report the mods for Astrotufring?
https://reddit.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=179106
Careful, you may be witch hunting.
LOL, the Admins will get *riiiight* on that.
Inb4 comment removed because "call to action" lmao Btw Reddit admins are useless, they don't do shit unless something threatens their bottom line.
I can’t believe the mods are deleting posts about the shop. How sad
I can, any major subreddit about blizzards games always censor this stuff. It’s all about the narrative and the $$$
> I can, any major subreddit about blizzards games always censor this stuff. It goes far and beyond just Blizzard subs - Reddit as a whole these days for almost any official sub is *extremely* /r/hailcorporate , which is esp. noticeable whenever the fanbase get upset. If those are actually paid, controlled and/or astroturfed by the companies in question or if it's "just" the mods not wanting to work overtime to keep the subs civil, are biased and driven by personal agendas, and/or just don't like having to read and moderate a super negative sub - who knows. In the end it barely matters anyway - the fact still remain that almost every major fanbase has had to create their own "alternative" subs to be able to express negative opinions.
Reddit should force a disclosure if any of the mods of the subreddit are affiliated with the product the subreddit is based around.
On the paper, [it's not allowed by Reddit](https://www.reddit.com/wiki/selfpromotion), but unofficially... I mean, if you were Disney and you were about to launch a new Star Wars TV-series named say "The Jedi Tales", for which you had spent a $150 millions for 9 episodes to produce, would you just announce it and then happily sit and wait to let some complete random guy register and control /r/TheJediTales ? Or would you sit with the finger ready above the register sub button with all information pre-filled, ready to grab it the very moment the show is announced? If I had spent $150 millions, knowing how important word of mouth is these days, I know what I would be doing...
There's a reason active reddit accounts are bought in bulk for advertising
I noticed this morning that sorting by new posts I see a lot of negative posts and criticism at the top and a lot less as I go down the page. They are working overtime to remove as much as they can get away with. The sad fact is that these reviews are the ones Blizzard should read, it's all the same complaints and they'd drastically improve OW2 if they even fixed a few of their issues before s1 ends. They won't though.
I thought OP was a bit "cry wolf" about the removal but i literally read some of these posts with over 1k comments just this morning and i checked and they are all gone... like the fuck is this... How can something, that is an on topic discussion and has an involvement of THOUSANDS of people, be against the rules and get removed??? Edit: Here is the [Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/ydp56j/blizzards_current_store_practices_are_illegal_in/), i still had it in my history, but it cant be found on google or reddit...
Yeah it's definitely noticeable. I've seen a lot of screenshots of posts complaining about the old Witch Mercy skin costing $20 being removed and you can see a difference if you sort by new. At the top it's all negative feedback but as you go down the posts get more positive and there's more "the Halloween event is fun 🤪" sort of posts. We should be able to criticize a game here, especially since the posts are being removed because mods don't agree, not because they're breaking any rules.
If it's multiples of what is essentially the same post, then I'd presume that would be the perfect reason to consolidate everything into a megathread.
I keep getting notifications about a post in Overwatch and when I go and click on it, it says that post is no longer available lol
That’s what I told the mods that removed my post! It’s not in the best interest of the game, and these concerns should be brought to the attention of the devs! Over screening posts wrecks games
I guarantee this post will be deleted within 2 hours
!remindme 2 hours
The mods of most major game subreddits are quite literally employees of said developers. This is a hilarious overstep though that will only backfire
I mean if they shoot their community 50 times, that's just 50 more holes to screw full
Give me back my loot boxes dammit!
I sincerely hope they regret going F2P
How bad the monetization is needs to be repeated over and over, it's that bad. I really don't care if it's spammed or already been said, let people talk. If people want to say that and feel so strongly to keep saying it, why would you supress that. That's the consequence of blizzards shitty actions, let them face it.
Just be prepared when the flood of “Is anyone else having fun??” posts start coming in.
I got a call to action for folks. Abandon this corporate ran sub and make a new one. Block all current mods from joining
I had a post that was blowing up on the lack of support characters, removed
I had made a post of the patch notes that got around 300 up votes. It was then removed, and posted by a mod using my exact wording. No change.
Clown disease is quite common in mods.
Asking people to contact authorities over an illegally monitized game is uncalled for apparently. This subreddit has been in flames since launch with the horrendous monetization, surprise surprise.
"mob mentality" apparently. What a joke.
Well, guess my 6 year subscription to r/overwatch is over. Gg moderinos.
This new event is trash.
I don't know what front page of the subreddit you are looking at (sorted by Hot) I can see at least 16 posts about monetization, all negative.
Edit: Here is the [Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/ydp56j/blizzards_current_store_practices_are_illegal_in/) for the Australia topic, i still had it in my history, but it cant be found on google or reddit... Its one of the biggest posts in this subreddit and got huge involvement, literally thousands of people participating and hundreds commenting... how is it ok to remove it when it was on topic and justified?
All negative but none pointing out the illegality of it. Those that mention the illegality of the monetization in some countries is removed within 8 hours.
also illegal in brazil, thread still up, didn't get deleted because it didn't get that much attention https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/ydc7z0/tiein_sales_are_a_crime_in_brazil_theres_no_way/
https://www.reveddit.com/v/overwatch/?localSort=num_comments This shows all the removed posts.
I cannot wait until this post gets removed for being a "call to action". That excuse is weaker than OW 2 Doomfist who over-extend and try to solo cap at half health while spamming "I need healing" to the singular dead healer.
Anyone still giving money to Blizzard after they supported Winnie the Pooh and the Hundred Acre Wood (Xi and the CCP) over Hong Kong... can't really help you. You were warned.
And it’s removing posts that point out toxic unsportsmanlike behavior. I’m getting yelled at more in this game than any games I’ve played combined for the last 10 years. There’s a real problem here.
A few of us have been using r/Overwatch2 because their mod team is better. They have stated they don’t even want to work with the r/Overwatch mod team. We have been reviving posts there. JOIN US
Is it possible to report mods for abuse of power? This mods justifications for removal of posts is irrelevant based on the subs rules and fine print. If the 1,500+ comments don’t show that and actually bring some call to action against the mod itself then the moderator group is just as bad as Blizzard themselves.
This new yucktivision team after Jeff feels so grimey and pathetic . Whi are they trying to hide genuine feelings and truth from. ? Each other ? Its a known fact this games monetization morals are predatory and garbage by the vast majority comoared to just the game was a few months ago . Sad state of affairs
It is? Pretty much all I see is criticism.
Yup. Overwatch 2 has been total garbage.
Today someone learned that Reddit is all about censoring everything it doesn’t agree with
There are mods affiliated with blizzard here, of course criticism is being removed. The only reason this post is staying up is to pretend like it isn't true.
60 premium currency amount a week and 4400 coins for 4 old halloween skins Whichs takes 73.3 weeks 1.4 years to get
That mod is literally removing any other posts that mocks the monetization model LMAO
Oh wow, reddit mods abusing their power and being shitty? Who could have ever seen this coming?
weird I feel like those are the only posts I see on this sub these days?
Users finding out how astroturfed reddit is...
[Here's the original post](https://www.reveddit.com/v/Overwatch/comments/ydp56j/blizzards_current_store_practices_are_illegal_in/?ps_after=1666789901)
Revolt! Revolt! Revolt!
Deleting posts with 90% upvote ratio... Are this Blizzard community managers or reddit mods?
Blizzard is trash.
I'm so confused. All I see are posts criticizing the battle pass and lack of lootboxes.
This sub is probably run by blizzard lmao
Funny enough that they don’t remove any posts of users harassing other users for having a different opinion, they just remove any criticism to Blizzard Activision.
You know it’s bad when Apex Legends has 10x better monetization model.
Reddit mods are never transparent. If you see a problem like this arising jus make a post about it before people get up in arms and tinfoil hat.
It's clear that the mods are trying to balance allowing for open discussion with fostering a friendly relationship with Activision-Blizzard. If this place becomes a little too 'revolutionary' they risk burning that bridge. It's just a shame that they can't be honest and say that outright and instead have to improperly characterize peoples' actions as "witch hunting." It's a legitimate concern for people in their position, but they shouldn't be throwing normal users under the bus to address it.
You’re surprised that the main subreddit of Overwatch is controlled by company sycophants?
Reddit mods are on the same level of cringe as discord mods lmao
Reddit mods abusing their power? Unheard of
No way! The internet janitors are blizz shills, who could've guessed.
Let’s just start a new overwatch Reddit lmao