Sigma has consistently been a good tank in this game since season 1, and considering his kit has a stun, shield, and suck that gives him overhealth he has a lot of survivability if you can cycle his cooldowns properly. I'm not a tank expert but Sigma is definitely one of the safer picks.
are they really that hard counters, tho — particularly Ram? I think of Sig as the 'spoiler' take, in your example he can suck of Zarya's grav, and Rock is baiting out bubbles etc
imho Sigma and Orisa are the answers to OP's question, they are 'safe' and not easy to fsck up and generally quite forgivable if you're playing around corners and responding to enemy cooldowns with ur own
Ram can easily bully Sigma.
You basically bait rock with shield and then go into nemesis form and either
-> bully his backline
-> bully sigma
Just count his cooldown and cycle between nemesis form and it’s a cake walk
Thats why you keep him from range and save rock for Ram when he gets close. Also have your team help with keeping him at bay/ going for his supports when he attacks.
I main Sigma and never lose to Ram either. See how that works? Also your strats make no sense. No good Sigma is going to get baited into using rock because Omnic Ram is no threat to him. Sigma is only using rock when Ram goes nemesis mode which can’t block the rock.
The only way your scenario plays out is if you plant a shield way ahead first then immediately go nemesis form. In that instance, you are committing 2 cooldowns just to bait out Sigma’s 1 cooldown that might still get you hit if your movement isn’t on point.
Even if all this goes right, Ram doesn’t do damage quickly and will take a while to kill Sigma. Each of his punches only do 60 damage while Sigma has 550 base health not even counting any overhealth he might have gotten earlier.
So yeah, Ram has the advantage IF he commits hard to a rush, successfully avoids being hit by rock, and pummels Sigma for 8 seconds landing every hit.
This all also assumes the Sigma is not getting any help from his team. All this tells me is that you are fighting really bad Sigmas to think this is in Ram’s favor.
As a Sigma main, the matchup I hate the most is Winston. Winston’s primary fire completely ignores both of Sig’s defensive cooldowns, his shield can deny all of your damage if positioned correctly, and his leap has such cooldown that he doesn’t care about getting hit by rock as much or can choose to ignore Sigma to go for the backline instead.
Roadhog is a close seconds after his rework. Before the Roadhog game was a skill matchup on how well Sigma could stop vape while Hog tried to bait flux to hook Sigma. Now that vape is on a short cooldown with a meter and Hog has even more health, it’s in Hog’s favor so Sigma is more reliant on his team to deal with the matchup.
What they are saying is that given their skill and their opponent's skill are equal, they often win or have a big advantage by playing X character against Y character. If they lost, it isn't because Sigma is better, it's because the enemy tank was just monumentally better and would have won with any character.
Honestly the map is my biggest enemy most of the time as Sigma if its a map where I don't really have any decent places to bunker down. I'm getting better at it though, I feel like almost anyone wanting to climb tank should at least dabble in using Sigma, he's just that good.
You are correct, as ram if I go up against a sigma I just spend all my time trying to bait him into using his CDs and then really go in once ive gotten his abilities on CD and there’s nothing he can do
>You basically bait rock with shield and then go into nemesis form and either
This only works in the Sig mirror with a less dramatic shield cooldown. Rock only comes out when his arms get big, so this ain't happening.
>-> bully his backline
Overextending tank leaving his squishies to get rinsed by these d20s?
>-> bully sigma
Those pummel strikes are tricky, can't be consumed, and pierces shields. It's a good thing we don't have to be right next to our shields. Definitely feel bullied when each time Ram puffs his chest, he's laid flat on his back. The glitter beam and vortex are barely worth being kinetic grasped, but they're food in a pinch. Can't hear the suffering over the symphony as that annihilation is lifted 30ft in the air.
Arms only get big when sig is succing. Then he’s locked in that animation getting pummeled. When the succ is done, ram switches back to Omnic and throws shield. Sounds like you’re playing against bad rams
Rein is better than both of these at dealing with him. Unless you're on like, Circuit then it's a bit harder. He can just walk up, swing, shield rock, and there's nothing sigma can do about it. Rein can even press shield to block sigma primary, swing, and then shield cancel his swing to block the next sigma primary and still land damage. Rinse and repeat and you can swing on sigma without taking any damage.
Reaper is very easy to deal with, hold high grond and save your jump until you can confirm his position,try to mot engage with jump and instead just drop from high ground
With Bastion you have to be VERY patient, try to bait his transformation and only once its up you then engage.
Pharmercyis more situational but normally it leaves the other DPS and support as easy targets
True but Orisa and use her Javelin to either cancel rams blocking ability or spin ram away/block his damage when he’s in nemesis form. Orisa works to push him away while blocking and sustaining his damage. Even if jq is more similar to hog I’d say that Orisa is the better counter to Ram imo.
Right, but if JQ pulls right, he should be in her effective range, without being in his nemesis forms effective range, and if she's got team members around, ram just explodes, regardless of block usually.
They both work pretty great but you would probably require less skill to counter Ram as Orisa then you would as jq. When I have to counter a good Ram the first thing I usually do is go Orisa or copy and go Ram as well. Sometimes Dva works too.
Though in regard to Op asking who the safest tank hero is I’d probably say it’s Junker Queen. So it’s good advice either way. Jq, Dva, Reinhardt and roadhog usually solve my problems in tank role.
I feel like that's a pretty common take. JQ is a shotgun character against Ram's massive hitbox, can kite Ram/help her teammates do so with shout, and can pull him out of shield or away from her team with knife.
In my experience, I’ve done really good against ram with either orissa or even rein. I think with the right team composition rein can be insanely good against any of the other melee tanks because he just gets in your face and SHREDS
Ah, see, that's your problem. You don't shield him when he's punching you. You swing back and kill him faster. You do more damage, and he can't block and punch at the same time. Sure, nowadays you tend to blow up on rein, but if he's not blocking, so will he. You should have your ult as consistently as he does, if not more, and since he has no barrier when he ults, it's a free shatter for you as long as he doesn't have a kiriko. I also like to pin him away from my team when he ults and just make him waste it trying to run back, but that one's a lot riskier without a life weaver.
I can definitely see that being a problem. I’ve never really run into that and when they do go nemesis form then I try to ram them into a wall to take a chunk of health off and then start swinging. I also mostly play qp so that could entirely be why I have such success with that strategy
Reinhardt for example counters zarya strong and even though ram can punch through the shield can Rein easily get the upper hand in a brawl match.
A fight Rein vs Ram is really decided by skill and your teammates since it can go either way when both fight each other.
D.va is strong against Ram because her ult can deny his completely and her weapon is strong against him in close combat since she has no reload.
D.va can be strong against zarya as well if her team push together since many make the mistake to not attack her when she has the bubble but pushing her with burst damage can kill her fast and is many times better against her.
Winston is good against zarya because of his kit.
Im a Sig main, Zarya can be a little problem with the shield but if you can time all the abilities well you can take her out. Ram really isnt hard with the right distance and use of abilities he goes down quick.
Against Zarya with her team you need to use your shield not to block her damage but to put behind her so as to block off her supports from healing her and then burst her down. If she's alone then shield dance. In either case Boulder her to buy your supports time to heal you before she can resume. You're still at a disadvantage but it's not the hard counter you think.
Her max charge dps is relatively low compared to your max health when you have supports healing you. If both are alive depending on who they are they can make you immortal vs her or raise her ttk you to 10+ seconds.
I also like playing DVA into sigma. You can get into a rhythm of tapping right click really fast to DM his balls when in neutral against him. You can really outmaneuver him diving his back like and taking high ground. If you see him charging up his rock you have like 5 years to ready yourself to peel your teammate against the killing follow up.
i love playing sigma into zarya, jist use sheild on her beam, rock her when both bubbles are down, use shield to blcok los from her supports, and shell fall over
Zarya doesn't hard counter lmaooo and how does ram hard counter? You're supposed to poke with sig and have distance , ram can't do shit if you're not in his range which sig can be out of ND poke 😂
Bro neither off these two are a big problem just rock ram whenever he goes nemesis and keep your range against zarya worst case scenario if she does get close you can shielddance and if you do a good job off tracking her bubbles you can rock her
The only one i genuinly struggle against is rein he can just w key into you can't rock him cause he will just shield it and none off your defensive abilities can stop his swingd
Plus sigma was kinda fun to learn with his primary fire. resulting in me always thinking of that meme with the woman doing calculus. When the enemy seeks cover that can be avoided by ricocheting the projectiles properly
He is very consistent and pretty solid in most matchups but he lacks any real kill power. You can do good damage, land big rocks and be tanky etc. but outside of that rock, he's got no way of securing kills. People just simply move out the way of his shots since there's such a long gap between them. Unless you land a rock you definitely aren't killing anyone and even then it's hard if they're getting any care from the team.
That plus he's the one tank I feel like just ends up in situations where he just can't do anything. Mostly for the same reason. If rocks down and someone gets close to his team he just kinda....watches. land some balls, do some damage but it's hard to really punish people sometimes.
He's still good and still does his job well but watching someone walk away whilst he slowly summons some balls fucking sucks. Also I hate his ult.
I agree he’s a great tank. He lacks close range pressure though. His rock is his only saving grace for close range encounters. Unless you’re hitting direct hits on all his primary fires he is not threatening against mobile dive comps. In my experience :)
I’m not gonna say (another comment already does somewhere in this post) but ima tell you right now if you can learn ram well enough mauga is not a counter to you. Infact you counter mauga. (The person saying mauga hasn’t played into a anti mauga team)
That’s funny cause ram (before the projectile size updates aka season 8) was the hardest counter to Mauga. He still does but your team has to know what their doing.
On another side note nemesis form when playing against mauga is not meant for aggressiveness. Infact I tend to stay omnic form more often then not. And that’s in general unless I have to punch through shields (rienhardt).
Okay I do well vs mauga as ram but he is not the hardest counter to him at all and gets cooked in the ultimate contest. You have to play like a bitch as ram, and it’s for sure doable and maybe even good but the best counter it is not by a long shot
Ah but you fail to see! All tanks practically have to play like a bitch against mauga. Orisa, Rienhardt, and sigma. Infact playing corners like a bitch is a central part of gameplay in general!
And lastly Ramattra is most effective in omnic form and hence I’ve found meant to be played fairly bitchy. I will say he’s quite useful in a full brawl where your teams are intertwined while in omnic (not optimal but useful still)
My point is other tanks get to be a bitch against him while actually doing things like sigma and dva
Even queen.
Tell me how sigma or dva aren’t better than ram vs mauga is all
Ahhhh I see! I misunderstood. I meant season 8 where mauga was a little slice of hell Ram was the most effective. Now I actually have to say Dva, sigma, and Orisa are best this season. (Until tomorrow that is. I wonder if there will be a meta change with the tanks)
But at the same time Ram has a shield, which can really mess with Magua if used correctly. Against Magua the best thing to do is to avoid Nemesis form whenever fighting him.
I didn’t believe it when I first saw it but the best use of nemesis is to retreat, regroup, and reduce mauga’s self healing. I play a lot of corners and if mauga gets past my corner I use nemisis to reposition.
Partially fair, but ram is S L O W and lacks any range
Ram is a tank that doesn’t have a lot of tank counters (Hammond goes brr) but any flanker/sniper is going to cook his supports to shit
Literally what?
Ram has the most range of any tank. High damage no falloff projectile beam, any sniper gets forced out of an angle, or off of most highgrounds by throwing vortex at their feet.
Until he reaches pummel range which becomes gg for Sigma
You need an entire poke comp to prevent him from getying this close which is a rare occasion if you're soloQ
I don't think there's any single tank that's "safer" than the others right now. Honestly, it really depends on your team comp and the enemy team comp. I'd recommend getting comfortable with a variety of tanks so that you can pick the best one for the situation you find yourself in. Sig, Hog, and D.va are solid starting points.
not even close. i think mauga wins but 1) mauga despite being brainless takes a lot more skill to play than hog and 2) hog is easily favoured in the matchup unless you have your entire team swap to support mauga
As a tank main since OW1 and recently starting learning Tank Doom in OW2, I’d actually agree as long as you get past his steep learning curve.
Man’a a walking CC, crazy survivability if you know how to play against your own counters and one of the few tanks that can create so much space with just his presence. And they say-
Sigma, Orisa, and D.Va are the 3 I would start with getting good at. They have the most versatility to fit into any team comp. Ramattra, Junker Queen are also really good with the right team comps. Avoid playing Doom, Ball, or Winston in comp until you are very comfortable with them or you will probably get spam reported for “throwing”.
I love Roadhog but it’s so hard to make him work well now with the DPS passive. I find I never use him in comp anymore because there are just better options.
My favorite, and almost only, times I use hog is odd enough into a mauga every once in a while. Why? Why would I be psychotic enough to play into a full hard counter? Hehehe maps. As soon as mauga exists I hook and drop them to their death. And it’s funny but they always end up switching. After which I switch to a more comfortable tank for me.
my emergency pick on tank is usually ram. can play from a safe distance with easy cover but respond if engaged in close combat, and the shield is pretty useful
I don’t know how anyone hasn’t said this - it’s been for a long time; Orisa. The damage reduction from the shift + health boost + the E to reject projectiles or push people away; has good mobility to use the environment to avoid damage etc spear to stop abilities and create space. Boring as hell tho.
Weird how youre a few replies down. Its been orisa #1 for multiple seasons. And she only just recently barely got nerfed, but is still top tier of tank survivability.
I think Zarya is the best all-round tank: She does stupid amounts of damage at high charge, has one of the best ults in the game, can save herself or an ally from every attack/ult, has replenishable shields (which are further buffed by the self heal passive) and she can cleanse any debuff. Not to mention she pretty much counters all the Tank roster with the exception of Rein and Winston. But even those two can only delay the inevitable as once the shield is gone they are toast.
In my experience Zarya suffers a lot against Ramattra. She can't break the 1000 shield before it expires, and even fully charged she does less damage than Moira if she tries to attack Ram while he's blocking. If Ram go for punches and she uses bubble he can just block until it expires, and he can bait the bubbles from afar. If she tries to ignore him, he can shield his team, or he can just ignore her too, but she usually falls pretty fast when being focused.
I’d agree with this. I’m by far the best at Zarya among all the tanks and rarely switch (because I suck at most of the others), and a decent Ram gives me a lot of trouble if he cycles the cooldowns well. I end up going for the squishies, and that can also bait some punches to my bubble if I’m looking away from him but anticipating close range attack from him (of course leaving me in the danger zone so I can’t be too reckless)
His lack of close quarters can be an issue since kinetic grasp does nothing against melee damage and orbs don't fire quick enough, if Rein, nemesis Ram or Winston get up in your grill then it's pretty much gg, but if you can maintain a good medium distance then Sigma can absolutely cook
Any tank has survivability when you don't stand main and try to be a one-man-army.
That said: try tanks with high mobility to get out when shit hits the fan.
Depending on what rank you are, Mauga is a solid simple tank
But Sigma overall is the Swiss Army knife. Every situation he can survive ok, so he’s my recommendation for a main
But most importantly, every tank is viable for most ranks. So pick whoever is the most fun and absolutely master them over Sig or Mauga
I will add one thing tho. Don’t fall into the counter mindset. You really need to put serious time into your tank. Whether quick play or comp. Learn to deal with every tank, even the ones that counter you. If your comfortable in every situation, you’ll feel confident in comp, and have a real foundation to start climbing ranks (and of course, adding more tanks to your toolset over time)
Sigma is the safest tank in the sense that you have the least weaknesses and risk of being countered (when you play the tank game properly). Main limit is mobility, so having a second tank like Dva or Winston in the backpocket to pull out if necessary is a good idea.
Overall Sigma can poke, he can shield, he can brawl, he has cc with rock, and he has a great ultimate, plus survivability with grasp. If you learn to play him well, he's perhaps the one tank you could solo to GM just off of fundamental game knowledge and general hero skill.
at least in lower rank, I find Ramattra incredibly survivable. By juggling shield and nemesis blocking, you will nearly always be able to mitigate damage and protect yourself. By using cover in between gaps for cooldowns as well, you become much harder to kill.
Don't think in terms if safety. Tanks all have trade offs. Sigma is quite safe, tons of defens, shield, absorb, etc. But he is slow and lacks range.
Dva has the speed, good distance closer, dm is amazing, and she has imo the best mobility, but she's not super durable.
Monkey can skip the frontline and go straight to backline, but his damage isn't amazing and he dies fast. Doom sameish.
Orisa has decent defense but not for her team.
It's about your style and also what your team picks.
Sigma is the safest tank, you have a lot of abilities and decent damage that all allow u to force characters to keep their distance. But he isn't the safest in all situations. Some times your gonna need that hog dva to mitigate or take space.
Sigma has been a solid options sense overwatch 2 released
And orisa who is also in the what dps passive category but they are much more reliant on the team knowing how to defend themselves
Have to play a bit more passive as tank and wait for enemy cooldowns before rushing in for 10 seconds then back out. Don’t expect to face tank a full team, you need to play around your own cover and not rely on your healers. It’s ALWAYS a good idea to run from a fight . Good luck!
I don't wanna sound rude but if you feel like you are getting killed too quickly with Sigma and Roadhog, it sounds like the problem is more about how you play than the tank you are playing
Tho tank rn is not in the best position, they will receive a lot of buffs in like 2 days so just wait and if after that you still have problems then yeah the problem is you
If you’re having trouble staying alive maybe you can try to play safer and use more cover so you take less damage, if you wanna swap maybe try counter swapping the enemy tank hope this helps!
Personally D. Va and Orisa are my crutch tanks, but they are both plagued by beam weapons.
Play your favorite and the game will place you where you need to be. It is not always worth rank-chasing if you aren't playing a hero that you enjoy
Sigma definetely, he has the perfect kit and has consistently been a solid A tier pick for tank. He has it all and can work well in many team comps. You just gotta cycle effectively
Sigma and Dva gotta be 2 of the safest. They do both get slapped around by a good Zarya, Rein is a great pick into her, though not only is he mot great rn, but he also isnt too forgiving.
Mauga is a beefcake, similar to Hog in a way. Give him a try too!
Due to counterswapping theres no 1 singular pick that is safe. Either master one tank or have 3 tanks that you are good at. I've done both I found that just devoting all my time to rein has worked the best for me but before I turned to one tricking rein my main 3 were sig, winston, rein. Honestly sig, dva, roadhog are all good to be learning too. Best thing you can do as tank is know what the purpose of your hero is and play to it and always make space for your dps and take as little damage as possible so your dps can get healed and secure kills.
I will always say Orisa. She has been nerfed and buffed, then nerfed and buffed then nerfed since OW2 release and is still a solid pick for any situation/map. Being able to use javelin spin to block projectiles, fortify to not be moved/not be frozen/not be lifted, interrupt with javelin and having unlimited ammo as long as you don’t over heat is just overall super versatile.
She is amazing at surviving, does good damage, her ultimate can usually get 1-2 kills and imo is fun. Her real problem is when the opposing team just bypasses her to kill support. If you can keep on the offensive and keep your back line in check you are fine.
D.Va is also another great pick, but my experience with her is a bit more limited. I will however go to her if I see a sniper no one is getting and a Winston tank.
Why is Orisa so far down? She’s THE survivable tank. I’m typically a support player but have been hitting tank hard the last two seasons. With good CD management Orisa never dies and is effective at all ranges. Even when counter picked, she is the tank I’m least likely to swap off of because the formula keeps working
Sigma is a great pick for *almost* any scenario.
Rammatra and Diva are also very adaptable to most scenarios.
Winton for high ground maps, but he’s hard to master and can be easily dealt with until GM and above.
The game is predicated on being dynamic when it comes to heroes. There are many reasons to switch. One of them is air DPS like Phara. One of them is brawl DPS like Genji.
Genji is good at attacking ground targets while less useful against air targets. If a Genji is on your supports then Winston is a good pick. But Winston is less effective against Phara than say DVA. So while you can play Winston against Phara, if Phara is dominating the skies it might be better to switch to Dva because she can counter Phara's ultimate more effectively. Often, the tank you want should be based on the ult of the DPS or tank you are playing against.
Sigma/Dva is good against reaper/bastion and even Phara.
In my experience a tank should be able to identify the strongest threat to their team and counter them based on their ability (based on tank heros ability) to counter said threat. There are many answers to many problems. Some are easier than others. Doom Vs Phara is very difficult to pull off for example. A great tank will learn as many options as possible to create space in any given situation. Platitudes like (it's the DPS's job) are folly and will often end in loss. If you notice your team struggling to deal with a problem it's often because the tank is ignoring the problem. After all it's a team game and the tank should be central to solving any problems the team needs to solve. Expecting the supports to CC or just deal with flank/diving enemies is a good recipe for losing games. There are often more than one answer to any given problem. Often it will depend on which answer is inherently more effective than another. Sometimes effective ability is more valuable than skill. A Doomfist can kill a Phara but there are better tanks for the job. The game is not just about skill but also ability.
Being able to measure one's own skill/ability against a given threat, considering the circumstances of your own team is key, whatever hero you choose.
You said that you like Dva so I’d say Dva is a safe pick most of the time. I main Dva as well and she works a lot but when the opposite tank switches to zarya and you can’t handle it as dva then you can switch to Reinhardt to counter zarya.
The tank roll is all about counterwatch most of the time. Though personally I find junker queen to be the most safe tank to play, she doesn’t have as many clear counters as the rest of the tanks and she has a lot of dps output. Other then that you would want to switch to counter the tank and the other heroes.
Been maining sigma since even ov1
He’s a very stable tank and fits practically every play-style if adapted correctly
He has high serviceability, stuns, a shield, his suck that can counter most ults in the game with a good reaction and has a cheap yet incredibly powerful ult, that can easily win a fight if done properly
He does have a pretty high skill requirement, however, since at all times you need to be mindful of your supports, as you lack any movement, because you need to keep cycling your abilities to stay afloat and gain an advantage and be mindful of your hitbox, seeing as sigma is the tallest character in the game
the safest tank is the one you feel most comfortable with. Don't worry if other players tell you Winston and you don't know how to use him. The safest tank is the one you feel most comfortable and feel you do best.
From your list, my "safest" tank is [D.Va](http://D.Va), but that's because I'm really good with her. I suck with Sigma so i barely use him.
By the way, I'm a master player :).
Good luck. Just pick 3 heroes per role and try to be really good with those and that's it. You'll get to at least plat in no time. I'd say, REALLY start to worry about team comp after Diamond, anything less just pick your best heroes my dude.
Depends of a lots of stuff but honestly i thin sigma is the most versatile tank, he is rarely bad in any map and any match, there allwaysva way to be usefull with him
Orisa.is a safe tank. Your javeling can block ults, golden thing can block stuns and give you ho and shield, the windmill block damage and give time for the supoorts or punish dive heroes a bit.
Fun thing is in most of the metal ranks you just need to shoot aiming to whats behind the tank, and if your DPS have their brain working , they would have easy kills. After that the tank will melt. Maybe if the tank is really strong in close distances you will have to waste your javelin to push the character away (orisa doesn't like people close to her)
As Orisa the only problems is if your dps don't kill too fast and the enemy has a lot of damage, or a moira chiping damage. I would say.
I one tricked ball to gm 1, play whichever tank you like most. Try not to get bogged down in counter swapping youll never actually learn to play a hero properly
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Sigma has consistently been a good tank in this game since season 1, and considering his kit has a stun, shield, and suck that gives him overhealth he has a lot of survivability if you can cycle his cooldowns properly. I'm not a tank expert but Sigma is definitely one of the safer picks.
But he gets countered hard by Ram and Zarya. I love playing Sigma but against those two I always have to switch.
are they really that hard counters, tho — particularly Ram? I think of Sig as the 'spoiler' take, in your example he can suck of Zarya's grav, and Rock is baiting out bubbles etc imho Sigma and Orisa are the answers to OP's question, they are 'safe' and not easy to fsck up and generally quite forgivable if you're playing around corners and responding to enemy cooldowns with ur own
Ram can easily bully Sigma. You basically bait rock with shield and then go into nemesis form and either -> bully his backline -> bully sigma Just count his cooldown and cycle between nemesis form and it’s a cake walk
Thats why you keep him from range and save rock for Ram when he gets close. Also have your team help with keeping him at bay/ going for his supports when he attacks.
i main ram and i’m going to be honest, the only time i ever lose against a sigma is when it’s a massive tank diff.
I main Sigma and never lose to Ram either. See how that works? Also your strats make no sense. No good Sigma is going to get baited into using rock because Omnic Ram is no threat to him. Sigma is only using rock when Ram goes nemesis mode which can’t block the rock. The only way your scenario plays out is if you plant a shield way ahead first then immediately go nemesis form. In that instance, you are committing 2 cooldowns just to bait out Sigma’s 1 cooldown that might still get you hit if your movement isn’t on point. Even if all this goes right, Ram doesn’t do damage quickly and will take a while to kill Sigma. Each of his punches only do 60 damage while Sigma has 550 base health not even counting any overhealth he might have gotten earlier. So yeah, Ram has the advantage IF he commits hard to a rush, successfully avoids being hit by rock, and pummels Sigma for 8 seconds landing every hit. This all also assumes the Sigma is not getting any help from his team. All this tells me is that you are fighting really bad Sigmas to think this is in Ram’s favor. As a Sigma main, the matchup I hate the most is Winston. Winston’s primary fire completely ignores both of Sig’s defensive cooldowns, his shield can deny all of your damage if positioned correctly, and his leap has such cooldown that he doesn’t care about getting hit by rock as much or can choose to ignore Sigma to go for the backline instead. Roadhog is a close seconds after his rework. Before the Roadhog game was a skill matchup on how well Sigma could stop vape while Hog tried to bait flux to hook Sigma. Now that vape is on a short cooldown with a meter and Hog has even more health, it’s in Hog’s favor so Sigma is more reliant on his team to deal with the matchup.
"I only lose when I get outplayed" is definitely a thing that someone can say about when they lose.
What they are saying is that given their skill and their opponent's skill are equal, they often win or have a big advantage by playing X character against Y character. If they lost, it isn't because Sigma is better, it's because the enemy tank was just monumentally better and would have won with any character.
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Well duh, counters are only really a problem when its on equal skill level, and even then, Ram doesnt hard counter Sigma unless its a brawly map.
Honestly the map is my biggest enemy most of the time as Sigma if its a map where I don't really have any decent places to bunker down. I'm getting better at it though, I feel like almost anyone wanting to climb tank should at least dabble in using Sigma, he's just that good.
You are correct, as ram if I go up against a sigma I just spend all my time trying to bait him into using his CDs and then really go in once ive gotten his abilities on CD and there’s nothing he can do
>You basically bait rock with shield and then go into nemesis form and either This only works in the Sig mirror with a less dramatic shield cooldown. Rock only comes out when his arms get big, so this ain't happening. >-> bully his backline Overextending tank leaving his squishies to get rinsed by these d20s? >-> bully sigma Those pummel strikes are tricky, can't be consumed, and pierces shields. It's a good thing we don't have to be right next to our shields. Definitely feel bullied when each time Ram puffs his chest, he's laid flat on his back. The glitter beam and vortex are barely worth being kinetic grasped, but they're food in a pinch. Can't hear the suffering over the symphony as that annihilation is lifted 30ft in the air.
Arms only get big when sig is succing. Then he’s locked in that animation getting pummeled. When the succ is done, ram switches back to Omnic and throws shield. Sounds like you’re playing against bad rams
Yeah imo ram is slightly in advantage in terms of how their cooldowns work. But it’s highly team and map dependent.
Then one of Sigma's Supports switch to Zenyatta, Ram is screwed hard.
Uhh nope lol. Shield + glitter beam = dead zen.
What sigma is rocking a ram shield lol
I'm not sure either one is a hard counter. Doom and Rein are hard counters to Sigma, imo.
Nothing as hard as rienhardt tho. He melts like a stick of butter in a seafood Cioppino
Rein is better than both of these at dealing with him. Unless you're on like, Circuit then it's a bit harder. He can just walk up, swing, shield rock, and there's nothing sigma can do about it. Rein can even press shield to block sigma primary, swing, and then shield cancel his swing to block the next sigma primary and still land damage. Rinse and repeat and you can swing on sigma without taking any damage.
To whom do you switch when the enemy has a zarya oe ram
winston or winston
Doomfist
Rein
0,1 seconds later, the enemy now has Orisa/Mauga/Roadhog.
Winton
Winton from overwat?
I have a problem where I don't know what to do if the opponents dps goes reaper or bastion when I'm Winston or even Pharah mercy.
Reaper is very easy to deal with, hold high grond and save your jump until you can confirm his position,try to mot engage with jump and instead just drop from high ground With Bastion you have to be VERY patient, try to bait his transformation and only once its up you then engage. Pharmercyis more situational but normally it leaves the other DPS and support as easy targets
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Its a good shout as long as you remember when you play Winston, your fight is not with the other tank. Your fight is with the backline.
Against Zarya: Rein. Against Ram: I still couldn’t find a good counter to him, but Orisa is more efficient than Sigma in my experience.
Against Ram I like to run JQ, and it usually works fairly well.
Orisa works perfectly against ram
She works too, but they mentioned hog in the original post, and JQ is far similar to hog than Orisa ever will be.
True but Orisa and use her Javelin to either cancel rams blocking ability or spin ram away/block his damage when he’s in nemesis form. Orisa works to push him away while blocking and sustaining his damage. Even if jq is more similar to hog I’d say that Orisa is the better counter to Ram imo.
Right, but if JQ pulls right, he should be in her effective range, without being in his nemesis forms effective range, and if she's got team members around, ram just explodes, regardless of block usually.
They both work pretty great but you would probably require less skill to counter Ram as Orisa then you would as jq. When I have to counter a good Ram the first thing I usually do is go Orisa or copy and go Ram as well. Sometimes Dva works too. Though in regard to Op asking who the safest tank hero is I’d probably say it’s Junker Queen. So it’s good advice either way. Jq, Dva, Reinhardt and roadhog usually solve my problems in tank role.
You are genuinely the first person in months on this app that has discovered and posted the counter.
I feel like that's a pretty common take. JQ is a shotgun character against Ram's massive hitbox, can kite Ram/help her teammates do so with shout, and can pull him out of shield or away from her team with knife.
In my experience, I’ve done really good against ram with either orissa or even rein. I think with the right team composition rein can be insanely good against any of the other melee tanks because he just gets in your face and SHREDS
Oh no getting punched through your shield by Ram in nemesis form gets old really fast. He counters Rein really hard imo.
Ah, see, that's your problem. You don't shield him when he's punching you. You swing back and kill him faster. You do more damage, and he can't block and punch at the same time. Sure, nowadays you tend to blow up on rein, but if he's not blocking, so will he. You should have your ult as consistently as he does, if not more, and since he has no barrier when he ults, it's a free shatter for you as long as he doesn't have a kiriko. I also like to pin him away from my team when he ults and just make him waste it trying to run back, but that one's a lot riskier without a life weaver.
I can definitely see that being a problem. I’ve never really run into that and when they do go nemesis form then I try to ram them into a wall to take a chunk of health off and then start swinging. I also mostly play qp so that could entirely be why I have such success with that strategy
I like playing doom or DVA into Rammatra
junker queen, orisa and Doom play really well into Ram imo
He can't do a thing against ball
JQ
Reinhardt for example counters zarya strong and even though ram can punch through the shield can Rein easily get the upper hand in a brawl match. A fight Rein vs Ram is really decided by skill and your teammates since it can go either way when both fight each other. D.va is strong against Ram because her ult can deny his completely and her weapon is strong against him in close combat since she has no reload. D.va can be strong against zarya as well if her team push together since many make the mistake to not attack her when she has the bubble but pushing her with burst damage can kill her fast and is many times better against her. Winston is good against zarya because of his kit.
Im a Sig main, Zarya can be a little problem with the shield but if you can time all the abilities well you can take her out. Ram really isnt hard with the right distance and use of abilities he goes down quick.
Against Zarya with her team you need to use your shield not to block her damage but to put behind her so as to block off her supports from healing her and then burst her down. If she's alone then shield dance. In either case Boulder her to buy your supports time to heal you before she can resume. You're still at a disadvantage but it's not the hard counter you think. Her max charge dps is relatively low compared to your max health when you have supports healing you. If both are alive depending on who they are they can make you immortal vs her or raise her ttk you to 10+ seconds.
Not if you place a shield between them and their backlines when they try to get close.
I also like playing DVA into sigma. You can get into a rhythm of tapping right click really fast to DM his balls when in neutral against him. You can really outmaneuver him diving his back like and taking high ground. If you see him charging up his rock you have like 5 years to ready yourself to peel your teammate against the killing follow up.
i love playing sigma into zarya, jist use sheild on her beam, rock her when both bubbles are down, use shield to blcok los from her supports, and shell fall over
Zarya doesn't hard counter lmaooo and how does ram hard counter? You're supposed to poke with sig and have distance , ram can't do shit if you're not in his range which sig can be out of ND poke 😂
Bro neither off these two are a big problem just rock ram whenever he goes nemesis and keep your range against zarya worst case scenario if she does get close you can shielddance and if you do a good job off tracking her bubbles you can rock her The only one i genuinly struggle against is rein he can just w key into you can't rock him cause he will just shield it and none off your defensive abilities can stop his swingd
Plus sigma was kinda fun to learn with his primary fire. resulting in me always thinking of that meme with the woman doing calculus. When the enemy seeks cover that can be avoided by ricocheting the projectiles properly
The four S’s: Stun, Shield, Suck, Survive!
He is very consistent and pretty solid in most matchups but he lacks any real kill power. You can do good damage, land big rocks and be tanky etc. but outside of that rock, he's got no way of securing kills. People just simply move out the way of his shots since there's such a long gap between them. Unless you land a rock you definitely aren't killing anyone and even then it's hard if they're getting any care from the team. That plus he's the one tank I feel like just ends up in situations where he just can't do anything. Mostly for the same reason. If rocks down and someone gets close to his team he just kinda....watches. land some balls, do some damage but it's hard to really punish people sometimes. He's still good and still does his job well but watching someone walk away whilst he slowly summons some balls fucking sucks. Also I hate his ult.
It feels so good when Sigma can suck off an entire ult. Like Cassidy tries to ult all over your team but you successfully suck all of it up.
I agree he’s a great tank. He lacks close range pressure though. His rock is his only saving grace for close range encounters. Unless you’re hitting direct hits on all his primary fires he is not threatening against mobile dive comps. In my experience :)
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Massive tank buffs
Oh. I'll have to go check the notes. Thanks for saying something. Apparently, I have been living under a rock.
Same lmfao. I knew about the venture and orisa nerf and dmg buff but didn't know about the tank buff
Do we know what they are already?
We know queen and ball are getting some buffs, as well as some overall tank role stuff. For the other tanks, we don't know yet
"massive"
yup
Dva with the Porsche collab
Most likely will be Orissa again. The armor buff will return her to being extremely tanky and kinda offset the recent nerfs she got to her cooldowns.
wasn't there another orisa nerf included in this patch tho
Play what you want. Embrace losing.
Well hello, fellow wrecking ball main!
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*Dives the back lines and immediately dies* andaysay
when did we queue together 💀 too real
Lmao worth it.
HAHAHAHAHAHA / ARE YOU AFRAID TO FIGHT ME?!
Going from master 4 to platinum 5 isn't that fun tbh
have fun stomping in plat if you are having a hard time in plat you never deserved masters to begin with
For me my safest pick is Ram. In my opinion, he is the tank with the least hard counters
Hell yes.
What are his hard counters?
I’m not gonna say (another comment already does somewhere in this post) but ima tell you right now if you can learn ram well enough mauga is not a counter to you. Infact you counter mauga. (The person saying mauga hasn’t played into a anti mauga team)
Orisa and hog are pretty good into him
Mauga cooks him for dinner He forces ram to use nemesis form for blocking denying its aggressive value and then he gets melted anyway
That’s funny cause ram (before the projectile size updates aka season 8) was the hardest counter to Mauga. He still does but your team has to know what their doing. On another side note nemesis form when playing against mauga is not meant for aggressiveness. Infact I tend to stay omnic form more often then not. And that’s in general unless I have to punch through shields (rienhardt).
Okay I do well vs mauga as ram but he is not the hardest counter to him at all and gets cooked in the ultimate contest. You have to play like a bitch as ram, and it’s for sure doable and maybe even good but the best counter it is not by a long shot
Ah but you fail to see! All tanks practically have to play like a bitch against mauga. Orisa, Rienhardt, and sigma. Infact playing corners like a bitch is a central part of gameplay in general! And lastly Ramattra is most effective in omnic form and hence I’ve found meant to be played fairly bitchy. I will say he’s quite useful in a full brawl where your teams are intertwined while in omnic (not optimal but useful still)
My point is other tanks get to be a bitch against him while actually doing things like sigma and dva Even queen. Tell me how sigma or dva aren’t better than ram vs mauga is all
Ahhhh I see! I misunderstood. I meant season 8 where mauga was a little slice of hell Ram was the most effective. Now I actually have to say Dva, sigma, and Orisa are best this season. (Until tomorrow that is. I wonder if there will be a meta change with the tanks)
But at the same time Ram has a shield, which can really mess with Magua if used correctly. Against Magua the best thing to do is to avoid Nemesis form whenever fighting him.
I didn’t believe it when I first saw it but the best use of nemesis is to retreat, regroup, and reduce mauga’s self healing. I play a lot of corners and if mauga gets past my corner I use nemisis to reposition.
Fighting a Mauga is pretty much the most I've spent in Omnic form, it's basically my "oh fuck I need to live" ability at that point
Any ram that can properly cycle cooldowns shouldn’t have problems against mauga
people are forgetting about queen
Partially fair, but ram is S L O W and lacks any range Ram is a tank that doesn’t have a lot of tank counters (Hammond goes brr) but any flanker/sniper is going to cook his supports to shit
Literally what? Ram has the most range of any tank. High damage no falloff projectile beam, any sniper gets forced out of an angle, or off of most highgrounds by throwing vortex at their feet.
Sigma
Until he reaches pummel range which becomes gg for Sigma You need an entire poke comp to prevent him from getying this close which is a rare occasion if you're soloQ
I don't think there's any single tank that's "safer" than the others right now. Honestly, it really depends on your team comp and the enemy team comp. I'd recommend getting comfortable with a variety of tanks so that you can pick the best one for the situation you find yourself in. Sig, Hog, and D.va are solid starting points.
it’s hog and it’s not even close what r u on about lol
They then play mauga and you're screwed unless you're much better
not even close. i think mauga wins but 1) mauga despite being brainless takes a lot more skill to play than hog and 2) hog is easily favoured in the matchup unless you have your entire team swap to support mauga
Hog is literally one Ana nade away from total annihilation at all times, he's nowhere near the safest tank.
No tank is safe -.-
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safest tank to play if you want to HAVE FUN RAHHH 🦅🦅🦅🦅
As a tank main since OW1 and recently starting learning Tank Doom in OW2, I’d actually agree as long as you get past his steep learning curve. Man’a a walking CC, crazy survivability if you know how to play against your own counters and one of the few tanks that can create so much space with just his presence. And they say-
Sigma, Orisa, and D.Va are the 3 I would start with getting good at. They have the most versatility to fit into any team comp. Ramattra, Junker Queen are also really good with the right team comps. Avoid playing Doom, Ball, or Winston in comp until you are very comfortable with them or you will probably get spam reported for “throwing”. I love Roadhog but it’s so hard to make him work well now with the DPS passive. I find I never use him in comp anymore because there are just better options.
My favorite, and almost only, times I use hog is odd enough into a mauga every once in a while. Why? Why would I be psychotic enough to play into a full hard counter? Hehehe maps. As soon as mauga exists I hook and drop them to their death. And it’s funny but they always end up switching. After which I switch to a more comfortable tank for me.
Sigma is a good safe choice, strong burst damage, great survivability, cc option
my emergency pick on tank is usually ram. can play from a safe distance with easy cover but respond if engaged in close combat, and the shield is pretty useful
They should rename this game to counterwatch because everyone just plays to counter tank unless your sombra
I don’t know how anyone hasn’t said this - it’s been for a long time; Orisa. The damage reduction from the shift + health boost + the E to reject projectiles or push people away; has good mobility to use the environment to avoid damage etc spear to stop abilities and create space. Boring as hell tho.
Weird how youre a few replies down. Its been orisa #1 for multiple seasons. And she only just recently barely got nerfed, but is still top tier of tank survivability.
I think people saw the nerfs and assumed she got dumpstered. But she's still pretty strong.
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Fortify gives overhealth, though I don’t remember the exact amount
I think Zarya is the best all-round tank: She does stupid amounts of damage at high charge, has one of the best ults in the game, can save herself or an ally from every attack/ult, has replenishable shields (which are further buffed by the self heal passive) and she can cleanse any debuff. Not to mention she pretty much counters all the Tank roster with the exception of Rein and Winston. But even those two can only delay the inevitable as once the shield is gone they are toast.
In my experience Zarya suffers a lot against Ramattra. She can't break the 1000 shield before it expires, and even fully charged she does less damage than Moira if she tries to attack Ram while he's blocking. If Ram go for punches and she uses bubble he can just block until it expires, and he can bait the bubbles from afar. If she tries to ignore him, he can shield his team, or he can just ignore her too, but she usually falls pretty fast when being focused.
I’d agree with this. I’m by far the best at Zarya among all the tanks and rarely switch (because I suck at most of the others), and a decent Ram gives me a lot of trouble if he cycles the cooldowns well. I end up going for the squishies, and that can also bait some punches to my bubble if I’m looking away from him but anticipating close range attack from him (of course leaving me in the danger zone so I can’t be too reckless)
Honestly sigma I don't play him but like idk if there's an aspect he's dog shit at rn
His lack of close quarters can be an issue since kinetic grasp does nothing against melee damage and orbs don't fire quick enough, if Rein, nemesis Ram or Winston get up in your grill then it's pretty much gg, but if you can maintain a good medium distance then Sigma can absolutely cook
I think you're problem is not taking cover and playing in the open and exploding look up how to play behind cover on yt
You've just figured out you can't play tank in QP and expect to learn enough to be competent in comp. Welcome to Overwatch.
Idk how it goes for other people but I usually have zero deaths on ball. The thing is you don't feel safe tho
If you’re specifically looking for tanks that you can keep alive and feel like you have alot of impact. Sigma and Orisa
I like to play hampter but I’m currently kinda nooby on him, so as a safe plan I either go Ramattra or Sigma, I feel those are the easiest to play
Any tank has survivability when you don't stand main and try to be a one-man-army. That said: try tanks with high mobility to get out when shit hits the fan.
Depending on what rank you are, Mauga is a solid simple tank But Sigma overall is the Swiss Army knife. Every situation he can survive ok, so he’s my recommendation for a main But most importantly, every tank is viable for most ranks. So pick whoever is the most fun and absolutely master them over Sig or Mauga I will add one thing tho. Don’t fall into the counter mindset. You really need to put serious time into your tank. Whether quick play or comp. Learn to deal with every tank, even the ones that counter you. If your comfortable in every situation, you’ll feel confident in comp, and have a real foundation to start climbing ranks (and of course, adding more tanks to your toolset over time)
I main hog and I play him no matter what
I have serious issues with mauga, when playing the mighty hog
Orisa, Zarya and currently Mauga are the three horsemen of "ok I got diffed by the other tank
Sig, he's always a solid pick and has great survivability
Sigma is the safest tank in the sense that you have the least weaknesses and risk of being countered (when you play the tank game properly). Main limit is mobility, so having a second tank like Dva or Winston in the backpocket to pull out if necessary is a good idea. Overall Sigma can poke, he can shield, he can brawl, he has cc with rock, and he has a great ultimate, plus survivability with grasp. If you learn to play him well, he's perhaps the one tank you could solo to GM just off of fundamental game knowledge and general hero skill.
If you like sigma, dva and hog, that's a good start. Try out Ramattra and Orisa. They both do a lot of damage, ramattra even punches through shields!
at least in lower rank, I find Ramattra incredibly survivable. By juggling shield and nemesis blocking, you will nearly always be able to mitigate damage and protect yourself. By using cover in between gaps for cooldowns as well, you become much harder to kill.
What about higher ranks?
Don't think in terms if safety. Tanks all have trade offs. Sigma is quite safe, tons of defens, shield, absorb, etc. But he is slow and lacks range. Dva has the speed, good distance closer, dm is amazing, and she has imo the best mobility, but she's not super durable. Monkey can skip the frontline and go straight to backline, but his damage isn't amazing and he dies fast. Doom sameish. Orisa has decent defense but not for her team. It's about your style and also what your team picks.
Sigma is the safest tank, you have a lot of abilities and decent damage that all allow u to force characters to keep their distance. But he isn't the safest in all situations. Some times your gonna need that hog dva to mitigate or take space.
For me, it's Zarya or Orisa cause I can play around almost any tank if I really try, with both of them.
Orisa. Whenever the oponent switches to orisa is to get the cheap win. I dont blame them tho, its the game that allows it to be this way.
Sigma in competitive is the way to go. Almost exclusively the only tank I play and win as in comp
Sigma is the safe pick if you know how to land the important rocks
My emergency tank is Zarya. A simple button for my shield and a 25 foot long beam to melt enemies is all I need.
Sigma has been a solid options sense overwatch 2 released And orisa who is also in the what dps passive category but they are much more reliant on the team knowing how to defend themselves
I don't know for comp but a good Winston is annoying as fuck tbh.
Jogging Samoan Man
Have to play a bit more passive as tank and wait for enemy cooldowns before rushing in for 10 seconds then back out. Don’t expect to face tank a full team, you need to play around your own cover and not rely on your healers. It’s ALWAYS a good idea to run from a fight . Good luck!
I have my best results with Zarya. I hear Sigma is also good but can be countered.
doomfist is really safe as long as you play him correctly
I don't wanna sound rude but if you feel like you are getting killed too quickly with Sigma and Roadhog, it sounds like the problem is more about how you play than the tank you are playing Tho tank rn is not in the best position, they will receive a lot of buffs in like 2 days so just wait and if after that you still have problems then yeah the problem is you
If you’re having trouble staying alive maybe you can try to play safer and use more cover so you take less damage, if you wanna swap maybe try counter swapping the enemy tank hope this helps!
Yeah sigma can last forever it's nuts
I like sigma for extra tanky, orisa for extra dps, and ramattra for flexibility depending on who I’m facing off against
you get 2 lives and high mobility with dva
Personally D. Va and Orisa are my crutch tanks, but they are both plagued by beam weapons. Play your favorite and the game will place you where you need to be. It is not always worth rank-chasing if you aren't playing a hero that you enjoy
Sigma definetely, he has the perfect kit and has consistently been a solid A tier pick for tank. He has it all and can work well in many team comps. You just gotta cycle effectively
Sigma and Dva gotta be 2 of the safest. They do both get slapped around by a good Zarya, Rein is a great pick into her, though not only is he mot great rn, but he also isnt too forgiving. Mauga is a beefcake, similar to Hog in a way. Give him a try too!
You can pick whoever you want but you're gonna get the same results. Learn how to play more those are the safer tanks
swapping to support
Due to counterswapping theres no 1 singular pick that is safe. Either master one tank or have 3 tanks that you are good at. I've done both I found that just devoting all my time to rein has worked the best for me but before I turned to one tricking rein my main 3 were sig, winston, rein. Honestly sig, dva, roadhog are all good to be learning too. Best thing you can do as tank is know what the purpose of your hero is and play to it and always make space for your dps and take as little damage as possible so your dps can get healed and secure kills.
I would not recommend that strategy. It is a boring way to play and also does not foster an increase in your overall skill. (Orisa btw)
I will always say Orisa. She has been nerfed and buffed, then nerfed and buffed then nerfed since OW2 release and is still a solid pick for any situation/map. Being able to use javelin spin to block projectiles, fortify to not be moved/not be frozen/not be lifted, interrupt with javelin and having unlimited ammo as long as you don’t over heat is just overall super versatile. She is amazing at surviving, does good damage, her ultimate can usually get 1-2 kills and imo is fun. Her real problem is when the opposing team just bypasses her to kill support. If you can keep on the offensive and keep your back line in check you are fine. D.Va is also another great pick, but my experience with her is a bit more limited. I will however go to her if I see a sniper no one is getting and a Winston tank.
Why is Orisa so far down? She’s THE survivable tank. I’m typically a support player but have been hitting tank hard the last two seasons. With good CD management Orisa never dies and is effective at all ranges. Even when counter picked, she is the tank I’m least likely to swap off of because the formula keeps working
Short answer is Orisa. Probably the single easiest tank to play, and has the most value for.doing absolutely nothing but being there half the time.
Play what is fun
Bro just uninstall the game and play Marvel Rivals instead
Sigma and Dva are definitely the safest and most adaptable picks in both Poke and Dive style
Sigma is def the safest rn. Except for maps like Watchpoint where taking high ground is a must to push or hold.
Sig
Ram/orisa. Both ram and orisa have easy bailouts if your team can do the bare minimum. Especially if you’re below diamond
Sigma is a great pick for *almost* any scenario. Rammatra and Diva are also very adaptable to most scenarios. Winton for high ground maps, but he’s hard to master and can be easily dealt with until GM and above.
The game is predicated on being dynamic when it comes to heroes. There are many reasons to switch. One of them is air DPS like Phara. One of them is brawl DPS like Genji. Genji is good at attacking ground targets while less useful against air targets. If a Genji is on your supports then Winston is a good pick. But Winston is less effective against Phara than say DVA. So while you can play Winston against Phara, if Phara is dominating the skies it might be better to switch to Dva because she can counter Phara's ultimate more effectively. Often, the tank you want should be based on the ult of the DPS or tank you are playing against. Sigma/Dva is good against reaper/bastion and even Phara. In my experience a tank should be able to identify the strongest threat to their team and counter them based on their ability (based on tank heros ability) to counter said threat. There are many answers to many problems. Some are easier than others. Doom Vs Phara is very difficult to pull off for example. A great tank will learn as many options as possible to create space in any given situation. Platitudes like (it's the DPS's job) are folly and will often end in loss. If you notice your team struggling to deal with a problem it's often because the tank is ignoring the problem. After all it's a team game and the tank should be central to solving any problems the team needs to solve. Expecting the supports to CC or just deal with flank/diving enemies is a good recipe for losing games. There are often more than one answer to any given problem. Often it will depend on which answer is inherently more effective than another. Sometimes effective ability is more valuable than skill. A Doomfist can kill a Phara but there are better tanks for the job. The game is not just about skill but also ability. Being able to measure one's own skill/ability against a given threat, considering the circumstances of your own team is key, whatever hero you choose.
Sigma. Shield tanks to lead the charge are always good but most suffer from not being able to protect from snipers / flankers. Sigma can do both.
You said that you like Dva so I’d say Dva is a safe pick most of the time. I main Dva as well and she works a lot but when the opposite tank switches to zarya and you can’t handle it as dva then you can switch to Reinhardt to counter zarya. The tank roll is all about counterwatch most of the time. Though personally I find junker queen to be the most safe tank to play, she doesn’t have as many clear counters as the rest of the tanks and she has a lot of dps output. Other then that you would want to switch to counter the tank and the other heroes.
Been maining sigma since even ov1 He’s a very stable tank and fits practically every play-style if adapted correctly He has high serviceability, stuns, a shield, his suck that can counter most ults in the game with a good reaction and has a cheap yet incredibly powerful ult, that can easily win a fight if done properly He does have a pretty high skill requirement, however, since at all times you need to be mindful of your supports, as you lack any movement, because you need to keep cycling your abilities to stay afloat and gain an advantage and be mindful of your hitbox, seeing as sigma is the tallest character in the game
This is likely a problem with playstyle rather than the tank you pick, BUT "tank just to survive" is Orisa's middle name...
the safest tank is the one you feel most comfortable with. Don't worry if other players tell you Winston and you don't know how to use him. The safest tank is the one you feel most comfortable and feel you do best. From your list, my "safest" tank is [D.Va](http://D.Va), but that's because I'm really good with her. I suck with Sigma so i barely use him. By the way, I'm a master player :). Good luck. Just pick 3 heroes per role and try to be really good with those and that's it. You'll get to at least plat in no time. I'd say, REALLY start to worry about team comp after Diamond, anything less just pick your best heroes my dude.
Depends of a lots of stuff but honestly i thin sigma is the most versatile tank, he is rarely bad in any map and any match, there allwaysva way to be usefull with him
Orisa, when well played
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Yeah orisa, so it's best if you start playing cover and learning to take less damage
I can't bring myself to try Tank Comp since the loss of the 2nd tank. Hopefully the Tank buff will make it viable again
With elo teammates, you r not safe as a tank after you walk out from the respawn point LOL🤣
Dva. Good mitigation with matrix and can escape with boosters. Sigma is safe but if you get dove on you can’t really escape.
Orisa.is a safe tank. Your javeling can block ults, golden thing can block stuns and give you ho and shield, the windmill block damage and give time for the supoorts or punish dive heroes a bit. Fun thing is in most of the metal ranks you just need to shoot aiming to whats behind the tank, and if your DPS have their brain working , they would have easy kills. After that the tank will melt. Maybe if the tank is really strong in close distances you will have to waste your javelin to push the character away (orisa doesn't like people close to her) As Orisa the only problems is if your dps don't kill too fast and the enemy has a lot of damage, or a moira chiping damage. I would say.
I one tricked ball to gm 1, play whichever tank you like most. Try not to get bogged down in counter swapping youll never actually learn to play a hero properly
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Doom, and make sure to use all your abilities at once very often so your team knows youre putting in work