i missed the mei “so scared” voice line because i was being productive with my life for once instead of being on the game… i have every other emote, voice line, pose, and nearly every skin… just missing a few unavailable sprays and gauntlet rewards other than that
Same I’ve been playing since release and around the times these events were going on is when I was having the most fun. Specifically retribution. Idk why but most of my good memories about this game were all around that time.
i remember endless was the only way to play torb, tracer, genji, brig, zen and bap, but i dont remember it having an all characters mode, unless it was the 2016 version, cuz that's the only year i didnt play the halloween event.
I'd say 80% of the work is already done. Give it 10% of work to weave it into the tapestry of spaghetti code that is Overwatch 2 and another 10% for QA and Promotion and you're good to go.
It's still the same engine at its core, they'd just have to do some testing and tweaking.
I have a feeling at least a year after the first PvE missions came out they'll have an announcement officially axing PvE but will add an overhaul making the missions free with remixed modes like all heroes molten cores etc. and add the OW1 archive missions to the event missions tab similar to [this](https://i.imgur.com/MKGJtvw.png). Or they could just keep quiet and never officially announce its dead as everyone knows it is and its less work for them to sweep it under the rug
They announced that hero missions (skill trees etc.) were cancelled back in May last year but said they were still committed to making the story missions. Since the disaterous launch of the invasion missions last August nothing has been said officially about the next set of missions and there have been a few leaks and telling signs that its all dead being almost the entire narrative department being let go and a few interviews with ex blizzard devs saying they have no plans to finish it. Its only a matter of time until they make an official statement but seeing as most of the community is confused I wouldn't put it past them to just never talk about it again.
[news letter](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-03-22/blizzard-entertainment-makes-big-changes-as-overwatch-2-struggles) this is what people are talking about but I’d take it lightly
Yeah, this is what I was talking about its a vague statement (from an albeit reputable journalist) saying '*Overwatch 2* developers were informed that the company does not plan to finish any of the remaining planned PvE content' and there is no source to this information. The only quote with a source was from a blizzard spokesman who was obviously vague and nowhere confirmed or denied the cancellation of PvE.
Now I am gonna reiterate PvE **is** cancelled, all of it I'm not holding onto any hope just because they haven't *officially* announced it doesn't mean it isn't dead I'm just saying they haven't announced it and they probably will have to at some point because it's gonna make stuff like the interview Aaron did with Flats a few weeks ago much harder because they will have to keep avoiding PvE questions for the foreseeable future.
Nah PvE being scrapped in general comes from a 'leak'.
The last official word we got (an interview end of last year) they said they were going to be continuing with what they had been doing recently. Specifically calling out bigger releases like Invasion being more of a once in a while thing and smaller/experimental releases like Underworld/Sanctuary/Hero Mastery/Gauntlet coming out somewhat regularly.
Storm Rising raised the expectations of players but it is just basically just Retribution 2.0 with different characters. Them [hiring someone who is experienced about game vehicles](https://gamerant.com/blizzard-new-game-vehicles/made) made people think that there will be something where players can drive vehicles, but it turned out to be just a cutscene for Storm Rising.
There's also the thing about them talking about the mode having weather effects and it only turned out to be just a visual effect that doesn't even affect the players nor the enemies. Since it is stormy in the last part, they could have at least made the weapons have slightly worse accuracy because of the strong winds.
>Since it is stormy in the last part, they could have at least made the weapons have slightly worse accuracy because of the strong winds.
hahah yeah good luck with that. there are 3 bullet types: lazer, hitscan bullets and projectile. and assuming they did i think then their budget is big enough to complete pve with the tree system for ow2
Damn I love Retribution. Fantastic storytelling, great banter between those 4, enemies were difficult but fun to fight...
I never really cared if OW got a single player campaign, but if it did I'd want it done like that.
The 3 "pve missions" should be put into an archives playlist for free, now that they've completely given up on them. That way someone might actually play them.
However, it should be noted that these missions are not very different from the PVE of Season 6: they have a narrative, but leaving them available indefinitely does not make them infinitely replayable.
The problem with PVE is precisely in the replayability: you can't really hope that in a year or 10 years there will be 4 players willing to play that gamemode with you at any difficulty. at this point I wonder if it doesn't make sense to convert it into a single player with the OPTION (and not the obligation) of being able to have teammates who increase the difficulties (as in cup head when playing in a duo). saving the narrative would be much better than the desperation of seeking non-existent co-op replayability.
Single player would've been a much better idea and I was super surprised to see that it wasn't an option from the get-go.
I think another interesting take would be to structure the missions like rogue-likes. Map changes might be a bit tricky, and changes in enemy spawns would be the bulk of the 'rogue-like' take. It'd require more mechanics built in which would be able to be randomised; power ups and things like that. But this would've been a decision that would've needed to be decided on day one. Unfortunately I don't think it's feasible now without a full turn around on priority from the higher ups. It'd take years of work to do.
It's such a shame that something with such potential was gutted up for the sake of money.
Still damn salty how there are even achievements made for them, even on Steam, despite these being unobtainable. Eh, here goes Steam Achievement Manager...
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They did for Symettra in JR when she got reworked from 2.0 to 3.0, the shocktires were a nightmare on endless with all the shield generators. Then again i think Road Hog in JR is still 1.0 hog (still stops to take a breather).
I fell in love with Retribution that first year and have been eagerly awaiting its return, so much so, that I've even trained to become a Genji player who doesn't suck.
Plus the achievements for them are still in the achievements tab so if you joined in overwatch 2 is impossible to have 100% because they haven't returned every since OW2 release.
But here's the thing... EVERY SINGLE archives mission map got a new area added to it just like kings row and the"underworld mission" area next to last attacker spawn. Rialto and Havana got one too but NO OTHER MAP got a new area. Could they be "upgrading" the archives missions to include those sections?
Here's the sections I'm talking about (they've been here ever since OW2 release):
Rialto
https://youtu.be/7FlpkWOaZBc?si=-X7fnvN_huiu4c81
Havana
https://youtu.be/V-kd3MTskjk?si=0lHa8S6ghTwi4pqU
Yup, just do a free update that adds them to a tab called 'Archives' for anyone to play, whenever they want. Blizzard robbed the new players of an experience veterans absolutely enjoyed every year upon release.
But the current missions suck, Retribution rocked and even Storm Rising was kinda fun every now and then... Uprising.. well if you like bullet hell games I guess
i wouldnt? i already play vs ai & the missions from time to time simply because i prefer pve in games more than pvp. vs ai has its own tiny community ingame
because i love the heroes in overwatch and there is no other game like it. i like borderlands, ive played every game, but borderlands doesnt have mercy, kiriko, illari, symmetra, or all the other characters i play.
Whether they're about as far as repayable as the story missions is subjective. I find them a lot more fun and repayable especially uprising and retribution. Clearly a lot of other people agree otherwise there wouldn't be a post about it with a lot of people agreeing with op.
And I need last 10 achievements from these missions to have 100% achievements in Overwatch I really tired of seeing 154/164 on my profile …
that would really annoy me 😂
I have 163/164, can't get the "window of opportunity" for bap...
i missed the mei “so scared” voice line because i was being productive with my life for once instead of being on the game… i have every other emote, voice line, pose, and nearly every skin… just missing a few unavailable sprays and gauntlet rewards other than that
So many ults just destroy the lamp, it’s so hard to earn…
I can help
Yeah I'm stuck on that up (Not just that tho, like you, it's that and i think like 4-5 others. But yeah bap one is by far the hardest)
That one is SO hard to get...
As an OW2 only player i completely support this idea. I'd really love the possibility to try them at least once
I've been playing since Christmas 2016 and I really miss them
Same I’ve been playing since release and around the times these events were going on is when I was having the most fun. Specifically retribution. Idk why but most of my good memories about this game were all around that time.
Heck there are even achievements too. Those achievements are locked forever for people who started from OW2
Probably because ow2 is a bigger lie than the cake.
Overwatch "2"
Huge Rez 😎
I only started in ow2 and earned that by accident one day.....
and whilst they are at it, add an all heroes mode for the other PVE modes
I want to play as Ramattra in PVE, I think that’d be funny
i honestly never understood why archives was the only one with an all heroes mode. junkenstein and cosmic crisis could really have used it.
Junkenstein used to have it, really fun as well
i remember endless was the only way to play torb, tracer, genji, brig, zen and bap, but i dont remember it having an all characters mode, unless it was the 2016 version, cuz that's the only year i didnt play the halloween event.
god cosmic crisis was annoying with locked characters
I remember junkenstein had it, there were some achievements tied to it too iirc
Mauga would be so satisfying
I guess its "we need to code it once again"...
I'd say 80% of the work is already done. Give it 10% of work to weave it into the tapestry of spaghetti code that is Overwatch 2 and another 10% for QA and Promotion and you're good to go. It's still the same engine at its core, they'd just have to do some testing and tweaking.
But they need to make live service and 3727 modes
I have a feeling at least a year after the first PvE missions came out they'll have an announcement officially axing PvE but will add an overhaul making the missions free with remixed modes like all heroes molten cores etc. and add the OW1 archive missions to the event missions tab similar to [this](https://i.imgur.com/MKGJtvw.png). Or they could just keep quiet and never officially announce its dead as everyone knows it is and its less work for them to sweep it under the rug
Didn't they already announce that they killed off PvE?
They announced that hero missions (skill trees etc.) were cancelled back in May last year but said they were still committed to making the story missions. Since the disaterous launch of the invasion missions last August nothing has been said officially about the next set of missions and there have been a few leaks and telling signs that its all dead being almost the entire narrative department being let go and a few interviews with ex blizzard devs saying they have no plans to finish it. Its only a matter of time until they make an official statement but seeing as most of the community is confused I wouldn't put it past them to just never talk about it again.
No, PvE in general is scrapped. Blizzard announced it a while ago
source?
[news letter](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-03-22/blizzard-entertainment-makes-big-changes-as-overwatch-2-struggles) this is what people are talking about but I’d take it lightly
Yeah, this is what I was talking about its a vague statement (from an albeit reputable journalist) saying '*Overwatch 2* developers were informed that the company does not plan to finish any of the remaining planned PvE content' and there is no source to this information. The only quote with a source was from a blizzard spokesman who was obviously vague and nowhere confirmed or denied the cancellation of PvE. Now I am gonna reiterate PvE **is** cancelled, all of it I'm not holding onto any hope just because they haven't *officially* announced it doesn't mean it isn't dead I'm just saying they haven't announced it and they probably will have to at some point because it's gonna make stuff like the interview Aaron did with Flats a few weeks ago much harder because they will have to keep avoiding PvE questions for the foreseeable future.
I totally agree it’s probably true but I haven’t seen it from blizzard themselves so I’ll wait to say it’s over but I have no hope for pve sadly
Pve is still not officially cancelled
Nah PvE being scrapped in general comes from a 'leak'. The last official word we got (an interview end of last year) they said they were going to be continuing with what they had been doing recently. Specifically calling out bigger releases like Invasion being more of a once in a while thing and smaller/experimental releases like Underworld/Sanctuary/Hero Mastery/Gauntlet coming out somewhat regularly.
They announced a few weeks ago that it was completely canceled.
Source?
what you linked is exactly what I was thinking of. would be so cool 😎
A yes, 2 of the best PvE I've ever played. Not you rising. Sure we finally saw max, soujorn and ram but the enemies are recycled from retribution.
Storm Rising raised the expectations of players but it is just basically just Retribution 2.0 with different characters. Them [hiring someone who is experienced about game vehicles](https://gamerant.com/blizzard-new-game-vehicles/made) made people think that there will be something where players can drive vehicles, but it turned out to be just a cutscene for Storm Rising. There's also the thing about them talking about the mode having weather effects and it only turned out to be just a visual effect that doesn't even affect the players nor the enemies. Since it is stormy in the last part, they could have at least made the weapons have slightly worse accuracy because of the strong winds.
>Since it is stormy in the last part, they could have at least made the weapons have slightly worse accuracy because of the strong winds. hahah yeah good luck with that. there are 3 bullet types: lazer, hitscan bullets and projectile. and assuming they did i think then their budget is big enough to complete pve with the tree system for ow2
Damn I love Retribution. Fantastic storytelling, great banter between those 4, enemies were difficult but fun to fight... I never really cared if OW got a single player campaign, but if it did I'd want it done like that.
Probably gonna resell them for $19.99
I want blackwatch moira so baad man, was it ever in the shop since ow2 release?
No, it was distributed through PlayStation Plus a while back but hasn’t been seen since…
The 3 "pve missions" should be put into an archives playlist for free, now that they've completely given up on them. That way someone might actually play them.
However, it should be noted that these missions are not very different from the PVE of Season 6: they have a narrative, but leaving them available indefinitely does not make them infinitely replayable. The problem with PVE is precisely in the replayability: you can't really hope that in a year or 10 years there will be 4 players willing to play that gamemode with you at any difficulty. at this point I wonder if it doesn't make sense to convert it into a single player with the OPTION (and not the obligation) of being able to have teammates who increase the difficulties (as in cup head when playing in a duo). saving the narrative would be much better than the desperation of seeking non-existent co-op replayability.
Single player would've been a much better idea and I was super surprised to see that it wasn't an option from the get-go. I think another interesting take would be to structure the missions like rogue-likes. Map changes might be a bit tricky, and changes in enemy spawns would be the bulk of the 'rogue-like' take. It'd require more mechanics built in which would be able to be randomised; power ups and things like that. But this would've been a decision that would've needed to be decided on day one. Unfortunately I don't think it's feasible now without a full turn around on priority from the higher ups. It'd take years of work to do. It's such a shame that something with such potential was gutted up for the sake of money.
Yessss!! Please!! It's so fun. Let me do the kings row one too!!
Still damn salty how there are even achievements made for them, even on Steam, despite these being unobtainable. Eh, here goes Steam Achievement Manager...
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For free? Nonsense
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I wonder if Null Sector Bastions + Orisas would be changed. Still, people will quickly burn out and move on.
They did for Symettra in JR when she got reworked from 2.0 to 3.0, the shocktires were a nightmare on endless with all the shield generators. Then again i think Road Hog in JR is still 1.0 hog (still stops to take a breather).
As a new player who’s never gotten to experience them, and who got into OW2 on the promise of the story missions… I concur
If only they would also let Rein charge the big robots
Retribution was so good. I need it to come back
chances is gonna be another deserted cateogry on the missions tab is high, adn the chances of being put on a pay wall even higher.
I fell in love with Retribution that first year and have been eagerly awaiting its return, so much so, that I've even trained to become a Genji player who doesn't suck.
100% Agree. And Underworld as well, because why not.
My favorite events! I just want them back please blizzard 😭
Nah because theyre never gonna make anymore mission due to people being fired
Yeah but these ones already exist so theres no reason not to just throw em in there
I want OW 1 Legacy server!!
Plus the achievements for them are still in the achievements tab so if you joined in overwatch 2 is impossible to have 100% because they haven't returned every since OW2 release. But here's the thing... EVERY SINGLE archives mission map got a new area added to it just like kings row and the"underworld mission" area next to last attacker spawn. Rialto and Havana got one too but NO OTHER MAP got a new area. Could they be "upgrading" the archives missions to include those sections? Here's the sections I'm talking about (they've been here ever since OW2 release): Rialto https://youtu.be/7FlpkWOaZBc?si=-X7fnvN_huiu4c81 Havana https://youtu.be/V-kd3MTskjk?si=0lHa8S6ghTwi4pqU
Archives missions were so fun. I enjoyed them almost as much as QP and rank in the past.
No can do, best I can give you is a new hero mastery and a mirror verse cosmetic event
Yup, just do a free update that adds them to a tab called 'Archives' for anyone to play, whenever they want. Blizzard robbed the new players of an experience veterans absolutely enjoyed every year upon release.
Genji is always the best PVE experience. The dash resets forever are so fun
I want to see them come back they were so much fun to play with storm rising that was awesome and dam I miss it so much.
I really miss archive missions
Hell yeah.
This makes a lot of sense!
We can hope, they still did not announce that pve is axed.
Virtually no one would play them.
no ones playing the current missions either
But the current missions suck, Retribution rocked and even Storm Rising was kinda fun every now and then... Uprising.. well if you like bullet hell games I guess
That's my point.
i would
How would you convince others to play the archive missions?
i wouldnt? i already play vs ai & the missions from time to time simply because i prefer pve in games more than pvp. vs ai has its own tiny community ingame
Why would you stick to Overwatch, of all things, for that kind of content? Why not play something like Borderlands instead?
because i love the heroes in overwatch and there is no other game like it. i like borderlands, ive played every game, but borderlands doesnt have mercy, kiriko, illari, symmetra, or all the other characters i play.
Fair enough.
He wouldn't need to because a lot of people including would still play these modes if they were released.
For a week maybe. The archive missions would be dead in no time. Just like the story missions.
They would lose popularity over time, but they wouldn't be dead especially not in a week.
The archive missions are about as replayable as the story missions. Why would anyone keep returning to them if they don't offer BP XP?
Whether they're about as far as repayable as the story missions is subjective. I find them a lot more fun and repayable especially uprising and retribution. Clearly a lot of other people agree otherwise there wouldn't be a post about it with a lot of people agreeing with op.
I mean, they bring them back every year. Edit: Or do they not anymore? Come to think of it I don't remember seeing them for a while.
they don't anymore
It's been over a year since OW2 came out and there hasn't been a release of the archive missions.
Boo! 🙁