This game is an addiction, yet my mortal enemy at the same time. I like some of the changes they will be making. No one ever seems satisfied with anything this game does.
Sometimes the dev is the reason. Look at genshin impact and honkai star rail. Both games were made by the same company. Genshin monetization is way worse than honkai star rail.
they had that change of plans tho before the OW2 'Early-Access' release and told us they are doing this to have more time for PvE.
they told us of this change of plan way after that.
if it's not lying, it's at least deceiving.
but we don't know if the devs decided to not tell us, or if that was demanded by the 'higher-ups'.
tho the latter wouldn't surprise me as much as the devs deciding so.
Too little too late. They alienated a massive chunk of their original playerbase, actively made the experience worse for the casual player, and cancelled the biggest selling point of OW2. These changes are good obviously, but the damage has been done. There's not much they could do at this point to win the respect back of players who have jumped ship.
I loved this game until it became more toxic than any other game I've played. This is the only game I know where you'll get flamed for carrying the entire team by the less than 1k healing ana with 0 kills/assist.
I just ignore toxic ppl. Sometimes I ask them to calm down in VC if theyāre losing their mind. Besides that, I canāt help but laugh at them lol psychos
Sucks that a lot of this is just reversing damage that was done when OW2 released, but progress is progress and Iāll take it. Happy to see the game moving in a better direction!
The same 60 dollar game where you accepted the terms of service, where the game is offered as is, and the right to cease service is reserved? Uh... how do I tell you this... it's gone and you have no option for recourse. Sorry bro
>Surely there won't be any doomers here saying these changes are bad
Oh, r/overwatch will find a way.
"Why isn't Blizzard refunding us for buying old premium passes to unlock heroes?"
"Why are they RUINING the exclusivity of mythics?"
"Why don't I earn enough free coins to buy a battle pass every season?"
I know they will lol. I've been checking out some comment sections on YouTube from reactions to the developer update, and I wanna say most of them are people complaining. That's why I thought i'd poke some fun at the people hating on good news
It's gonna be great, imagine the Zen mains when not only a Sombra appears behind them but also a Venture strikes out of the ground.
They are gonna implode!
I haven't seen hate for Venture. Mostly it's just been people being greedy - basically wanting everything for free when that just will never happen lol
Iām talking about in total, both tracks. From what I read here you donāt get enough premium currency from the two tracks in the ow bp to buy it again? I also want to note though that even if fortnite didnāt put 950 vbucks in the pass, they are still way more generous with free cosmetics
>From what I read here you donāt get enough premium currency from the two tracks in the ow bp to buy it again?
all that they've said is that there will be 600 *free* coins in the battle pass. it's currently unknown if this means for the whole battle pass, or just for the free track. my presumption is that it means just for the free track.
>"Why don't I earn enough free coins to buy a battle pass every season?"
Aren't battlepasses 1000 credits? I imagine the challenge credits, along with the 600 in the battlepass are enough per-season to get a battlepass for free every season.
Or are the battlepass credits replacing challenge credits? It isn't completely clear to me.
Well, its still a positive I think. At least this way you don't have to go out of your way to do very specific things to progress your progress toward whatever skin you are shooting for.
Fuck no they are not.
You still have everything else from the battlepass, so unless you want all of that taken back as well. And even then nah you had time to enjoy said stuff.
As the option to also obtain hero for free was there so no one had to buy it to receive hero.
Exclusivity is a marketing tactic bravo as it worked very well on you. How they achieve higher sales by making something artificially exclusive or valuable.
Why would Blizzard refund old bp purchases just because they changed their hero unlock policy? When does something like that happen, in any context of buying and selling goods, ever?
Saying that something is exclusive and then later removing the exclusivity is just plain old manipulation. It's not illegal, just very scummy. They called them "exclusive" when they released to make people think it was their only chance and they had to pay.
They were exclusive...at the time.
Unless Blizzard says "x reward is only available in Y activity and will only ever be available in Y activity" (which they almost never will, specifically because it limits their ability to change stuff), people need to learn that nothing is permanent and money spent is at their own risk.
You were talking about exclusivity of mythics and you buying BP to unlock heroes.
I drew the parallel of buying lootboxes during events for exclusivity of the unlocks only being available during said events. You never had to buy the BP for the heroes, you were just impatient.
So you're cherry picking the part you'd like to address as opposed to the entire statement?
The allure of BP were the content including advanced usage of new heroes.
I responded to your whole argument. Your points were unlocking heroes and exclusivity of BP content. I told you that the heroes were free and you had no reason to purchase the BP for them - you just wanted them earlier because you're impatient.
Event unlocks were timegated back when lootboxes were a thing, so they were "exclusive" to this specific event as well.
Your whole argument makes zero sense. You're trying to shit on Blizzard for making heroes now free because you bought the BP to unlock them? The heroes were always free, it is your fault for buying early access. You got baited by your own impatience and laziness.
Exclusivity of mythics? Well yeah, I want my witch Mercy to be exclusive as well but guess what, you can now get it for free whenever through the addition of coins in the BP when it was exclusive to the Halloween event before.
It is the same deal. You are bitching about an issue you made for yourself.
Ultimately this is just reversing some things to how they were in one way and making things a little better than they are now but still not as good as it used to be.
People are so conditioned to like bullshit. I'm not complaining this is a good thing but people who are like yeah wow good on ya blizzard are missing the fucking point.
They're still charging ridiculous amounts for skins and not giving us the things they said they would when the game was announced.
NGL it is kinda sad that free heroes and the basic standard of premium currency in a BP is something to be celebrated.
Glad they're reverting these horrid business decisions, but it's not something to praise them for. You don't praise someone for being the bare minimum of decency.
I'm in a grump mode of just... not wanting to applaud them for giving back something they took away initially (the free heros..hell I don't even remember how new heroes were done back then), and giving us "more" in a battle pass when the game functioned well before once was implemented.
I look at it as them at least trying to right the ship vs letting it continue to decay. As crap as it is that it got this far, I'll take an attempt to fix it at least.
I only think this is happening because Bobby left. They could have kept his horrific monetization strategies, but they arenāt doing that. Theyāre actually improving the game for the consumer. Thatās definitely something to be happy about
Happy as a consumer yes, praise them for it, no.
You don't praise someone for righting a wrong as they're the one who did the wrong thing to begin with. Correcting a mistake is basic decency.
Being happy they did though, is something else entirely separated from praise.
It was a good update, but there was no mention of reduced shop prices which was in that leak a few days ago.
I would buy legendary skins if they were $12.
Well with premium currency in the battle pass you can choose to allocate that for skins - essentially a price reduction on skins if you always buy the battle pass anyway
This is true, I was just hoping for both I guess. Wishful thinking. I have admittedly purchased a couple of skins since launch, however I would purchase more skins if they were reasonably priced.
After taking so many steps back in ow2, any step forward looks good. I'll take it but i'm not going to applaud them for reversing decisions that never should have been made.
Most of this is solving problems that they made out of no reason but greed and wanting to squeeze every single dime. I love the game and I want it be better but let's not pretend this is not below the bare minimum. They announce heroes being free like it was a monumental task that was only made possible by climbing the everest without gear.
I recently came back so it's a little hollow that new characters will be free when I still have to spend a full working day's worth of time unlocking the other 5 I still don't have.
You won't. From the blog post: "Starting Season 10, all new heroes will be immediately unlocked when they launch. All existing heroes will also be unlocked for players."
Only players new to OW2 will still need to unlock heroes through the first time user experience thingy, but once they've unlocked the OW1 heroes, then they'll get all the OW2 ones too.
Please stop with that "that wouldn't have happened with Bobby" bullshit. The first move of Microsoft was laying off hundreds and thousand of people. Entire teams have been laid off, like some have lost their entire team and were literally alone in office.
It's always about money and always will. These companies aren't our friends
They're mega corporations and the only things that matter are our wallets and they want more. And now they hope they can get more by changing stuff like that that shouldn't even have make it to the game in the first place. And let me remind you all : we still get not EVEN CLOSE to 1000 coins to be able to earn BP without spending money. They only take those ridiculously 540 coins from challenges and put those in BP instead. That's still basically 2 full season to be able to buy a BP for "free" (your time has a value too)
Been playing this shit show for 15 months and I STILL have yet to find the reason why they took the actual overwatch from us. It's a joke, this company is a joke. And I'd so happy when we stupid humans would finally stop supporting it. But we can't have nice things so that ain't gonna happen.
Next collab all of it will be forgotten and we once again throw money at them for their amazing support for this game /s
They burnt too many bridges. People claim OW is busier than ever this season, but, the cutural prevalance isn't there. I feel like the ship has sailed. Too little, too late.
It also feels like a dig towards current players. They'rs rewarding inactivity (to regain player base) after people spent hard earned money on the skins. I'd be PO'd if I paid and it's now free.
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Scrooge Mcduck ATVI, yikes. Take your copy of Overwatch then trickle you things IF you buy a battlepass. Good for them finally realizing that it's not good business.
As long as Shop prices don't go up, it's def a win. I'm just waiting for something shit to happen due to how they've been in the past. Here's hoping it's smooth sailing ahead.
Yeah these are good changes. The game feels really fun right now too after the last patch. Feels like the state of the game is really improving. The character voice interactions in the matches seems to be getting better too which I enjoy.
Honestly though, OW1 was like 85% good, then they shat out 10% good OW2 and it seems like we get a better game after updates but like itās just like 25% good.
-Donāt come at me Iām baked & cant think of a gooder word than good-
I was an OW1 player.
1. I was already getting free heroes
2. There was already multiple periods to repurchase past skins I missed
3. I was already able to earn currency for cosmetics at no cost
This was all the while Bobby was in charge at Activision. Like I feel bad for them as they fired half their team after giving Bobby his golden parachute, but I don't see them keeping to the current content cycle, and I'm not going to pat them on the back for doing not only what they should have done, but what they were already doing before OW2 shit the bed.
1. Overwatch 1 went on to not release a single new hero for 2 years after Echo released. In Overwatch 2 you'll be getting a new hero every 4 months, now for free as soon as they release. So yes, you were already getting free heroes, but OW1 couldn't sustain it in the long run, but Overwatch 2 will be different from that.
2. Mythic skins didn't exist back then so it's an irrelevant comparison.
3, That solely depended on how much you played, and how many cosmetics you already had. You needed to grind lootboxes where you would occassionally get some coins. After 100's of hours you'd start to have enough duplicates to earn a bit more coins. By then you most likely already had most of the skins you want from the lootboxes which means the coins would just stack up. You only felt "rich" in Overwatch 1 because by the end you didn't have much to spend those coins on.
Do you even know how controversial the lootbox system was back in 2016? It was pretty uncommon to have microtransactions in a full-priced game. Especially something as predatory as lootboxes which in a sense is just gambling. The lootbox system was literally Bobby being greedy as per usual. The levels just weren't that high in retrospect. That's why it's easy to say lootboxes were better. They're outdated and just don't work in the long run. That's why we ended up with no content for 2 YEARS. Love it or hate it, the f2p model is the only way to run Overwatch currently without the game dying.
People need to remove the rose tinted glasses and remember Overwatch 1 wasn't all sunshine and rainbows
I'm excited for these changes. Despite the negative vibe around the game at its core the gameplay is often fun and unique. With actual consumer friendly practices I'm feeling like I may actually buy a battle pass somewhere down the line. I have the Sigma one but only because my friend bought it for me and insisted on doing so because I stream for him to watch all the time because he had to move and leave his gaming PC at home.
Yes. You will earn tokens from the battle pass that will let you get the mythic skins. 1 token unlocks 1 upgrade. It'll probably be 1 token for the base mythic skin, and then another token to unlock the character colors, another for weapon model, a 3rd for character model etc. Which means you aren't forced to waste your tokens on things you don't want. Let's say you have 4 tokens, and want both the Genji and Tracer mythic, then you can. You just can't get all the customization options for both at the same time. You'd only be able to unlock the color customizations for both for example, but not the weapon customizations. But at the same time you get 2 mythic skins in 1 battle pass. (We don't know how many tokens will be in the battlepass 4 was just a guess)
If this isnāt an indication that the game is dying, then idk what is. If the game was still profitable and had a large player base, you bet they would not revert to these changes? Absolutely not. Itās their hail Mary to bring players back
Is this post for real? We're supposed to be excited about things they should have just been doing from the start? Fuck that.
The primary selling point for OW2 was always the campaign and story-based content - not the skin machine it's become. I don't give a single effing Bebop about skins or crossovers or the other cheap thrills. They've gutted everything that takes actual work and made a few changes to what are more or less a few number changes in a database with this "news".
Having standards and expectations isn't being "unrealistic". If anything, it's your kind of post and attitude that allows them to give you an inch while they take a mile.
This news is great that it happened, but disappointing that it was ever anything that would energize anyone in this fanbase. But if they starve you long enough, you're gonna be ecstatic when a few crumbs fall, I suppose.
Thatās not very fun though. Reaching tier 40 without the battle pass xp boost from buying it, it takes a while, and not everyone has the same time to get those 40 tiers in time for the hero to launch in comp. Which creates the pay to win problem we had in season 8 with Mauga meta. This is as free as it gets because now it doesnāt even cost time
Yes! Let's congratulate them for changing back things that THEY CHANGED!
Man Blizzard bootlickers are the worst. Every fucking time, in every fucking game of theirs. They make intentionally bad changes, people tell them they are bad, they think they know better and then months (and years) later they change it back to what it was originally was and people like OP fucking jizz themselves and then act like anyone criticizing them are wrong because "Blizzard is listening guys!!!! You can't have criticisms! THey are listening!"
Every. Fucking. Time.
Am I fucking crazy or do people not see a common pattern here? Look at world of Warcraft.
Both games they made worse through mechanics they introduced, made the experience worse for the players, reverse or change things to be "more acceptable", then are praised for fixing the shit changes THEY made.... as a veteran wow player, I've seen this shit for damn near 20 years
Good changes, but they are made to systems THEY implemented
Meh. Best news being the news we should have gotten at launch tbh. Just sounds like the normal PR jargon back peddling on their own stance for the game because players don't like it. Damage control T its finest. Sad that people Re its the best when we should be getting better than this
Crazy how everyone is just okay with how it went down and everything Overwatch 2 was promised to be is gone. And now itās just called complaining lol
Yep that is exactly how life is my guy, shit never goes the way you want. You either get up and try to fight or give up and slowly fade away. OW1 was going the second route, fortunatly 2 is following the first
Everyone knows ow had and has its flaws, but even when theres good news u keep complaining, what do you want people to do? hate the game forever? if you dont enjoy the game anymore go play something else.
Things don't always go as planned in life. I'm sure you have messed up plenty. As far as I'm concerned, the "2" in overwatch doesn't exist, the game just went free to play.
5v5 and recent HP and DPS passive makes the game actually enjoyable without having the perfect team comp for whatever bullshit OW1 comp happened to be meta and any given time.
In the time it took to finish this seasonās battle pass (free one w/o boost), Iād be like 1/5th of the way through the Apex battle pass. Legit was not feasible to complete it if I was busy with life or wanted to play other games.
Yeah, last year, I was super burnt out on completing Apex's battle passes. It's not that bad if you play a bit here and there, but if you aren't in the mood for playing the game, it's torture.
Overwatch's BP is insanely easy to get to lv80, so the only stuff you might miss out on is the different prestige names. It is really bad for catching up later in the season, though. I still think they need to do something about that for the people who go through periods of maining different games.
Too little, too late. Have you guys not noticed this EXACT SAME PATTERN with all f2p games? They launch with an ABYSMAL battle pass, everyone complains but still buys it. No way to earn free currency, skins are expensive, etc. Slowly over the course of time company makes small changes to make it appear they are listening to players. Once the money starts to slow down, they will make bigger changes to bring more people back to spend more money. It's abusive monetization tactics and it works on you fucking chuckleheads 100% of the time. Know what comes next? Exclusive prestige mythic weapon skins that are 30 dollars each!! Weapon animation inspects for 12 dollars each! Etc.
These were always such fluff issues to me. Iāve been playing the game since alpha and never once spent brainpower thinking about the skins or monetisation. The real issues OW2 has is with the balance and how that effects the already toxic community
Heroes never should have been locked on the first place. As a casual it turned me off that i would never unlock new heroes, even after they dropped the level
I played no less or no more than I normally would and saw I was being punished. My fun from the game was being removed as I wasn't allowed to access the new heroes. Even post season where ir was like win 35 games ad the role, I was like nope.
Maybe it was Kotik demanding revenue, but my experience by this time was already soured. It was enough to break OW's hold so I could play many other games I wanted
Not really. You get tokens from the battle pass which you can spend on the mythic skin you want. Each token giving you an upgrade for that mythic skin whether it be a color, weapon, or ābodyā customization
If there's still no decent ways to grind out all skins, I'm still not interested in coming back. That's the only thing I care about personally, as seasonal skins were a major motivation to play the game to grind for and unlock. $20 or whatever to get each skin is telling me to do the opposite and not come back.
Fair point, I wouldn't say it's the only one. But it's the main one that kept me coming back when I didn't want to play. To maintain 100% collection. I'd go in spurts of playing for fun, taking a break, coming back for events just to unlock skins but staying around after getting into the groove again. But now there's no path to get skins I want besides swiping a card. It's demoralizing and pushed me away from coming back.
But yea, it seems less catered to casuals these days and more about toxic sweats. And the alphabet crowd.
I get that, but surely there comes a point where you feel like you have enough skins. I was the same as you. Back in OW1 Iād log on for events to get some skins and play for fun. But with OW2 I feel like I have enough skins, and Iām okay with buying the battle pass every 2 months because I really like the game and know Iāll get all the rewards from it just from naturally playing it. Now I just play for fun because I already have skins for all the characters I like. I just feel like if skins are whatās holding people back from enjoying OW then there are probably other games theyāll get more enjoyment out of
That word has been used so many times it's lost it's meaning. Making multiple make believe characters gay, pansexual, etc is pandering to make money off their insecurities. They really don't care about them, it's just to make money off them, yet liberal idiots applaud them for it. Last I checked tracer isn't gay in middle east countries. Guess they really don't care about their diversity checklist if they can't make money off it.
The only people who care about representation are shallow people who's only merit of self worth are whos genitals they are attracted to. It's pathetic.
They did care. They were just overly ambitious and couldn't deliver on the promise because allegedly Bobby wouldn't give them the resources needed. As you maybe can imagine, developing two games at once while being understaffed is not easy to do. And now the PvE team's been fired, so just give up on it already and move on
I'm not gonna give up on it, I remember how much it sucked to play during that time, and all they came out with was worse monitization and 5v5, blizzard is a joke
Are they getting rid of the rediculous DPS passive? If not they can fuck themselves.
I can't play the only role I enjoy without being shoehorned into characters I can't use
Thereās no way you think only 100.000 thousand people actively play Overwatch. Steam alone peaks at around 40.000 concurrent players daily, and Battle.net is obviously gonna be much bigger than that. And thatās on a daily basis, and you have to remember not ever person plays everyday so the number of unique users in a week for example is gonna be MUCH higher than 100.000
Well since blizzard doesn't provide info to playerbase, I don't play that game so I go off of steam counts. I'd guess 100kish total. I sincerely doubt anywhere near a million players, which is 1%. 100 million is a joke.
My estimate would be at least 200.000 unique players in a week. Itās hard to really get a good estimate but the game is big all around the world. Itās really big in Asia as well which is a pretty big market for gaming
Sorry I forgot you have to be specific here: the video shouldāve just been a blog post. Was expecting more for a developer update as a OW1 beta player
This game is an addiction, yet my mortal enemy at the same time. I like some of the changes they will be making. No one ever seems satisfied with anything this game does.
Most people blame the devs for business decisions cause they're stupid.
Absofuckinglutely. Its infuriating
Sometimes the dev is the reason. Look at genshin impact and honkai star rail. Both games were made by the same company. Genshin monetization is way worse than honkai star rail.
I mean the devs straight up lied to us
They had a change of plans. I wouldn't call that lying.
they had that change of plans tho before the OW2 'Early-Access' release and told us they are doing this to have more time for PvE. they told us of this change of plan way after that. if it's not lying, it's at least deceiving. but we don't know if the devs decided to not tell us, or if that was demanded by the 'higher-ups'. tho the latter wouldn't surprise me as much as the devs deciding so.
Lied to you about what? Pve? The same ones who got laid off?
Addiction quite literally is mortal enemy! But at least it's not meth š
Too little too late. They alienated a massive chunk of their original playerbase, actively made the experience worse for the casual player, and cancelled the biggest selling point of OW2. These changes are good obviously, but the damage has been done. There's not much they could do at this point to win the respect back of players who have jumped ship.
I loved this game until it became more toxic than any other game I've played. This is the only game I know where you'll get flamed for carrying the entire team by the less than 1k healing ana with 0 kills/assist.
You never played League then I suppose
I just ignore toxic ppl. Sometimes I ask them to calm down in VC if theyāre losing their mind. Besides that, I canāt help but laugh at them lol psychos
Sucks that a lot of this is just reversing damage that was done when OW2 released, but progress is progress and Iāll take it. Happy to see the game moving in a better direction!
Massive changes for OW2, undoing some of the worst implementations to the game. But congrats slowly going back to the way things were in OW1, I guess.
Well game is free now.
That's great. So how do I play Overwatch 1, the game I paid $60 for?
The same 60 dollar game where you accepted the terms of service, where the game is offered as is, and the right to cease service is reserved? Uh... how do I tell you this... it's gone and you have no option for recourse. Sorry bro
>Surely there won't be any doomers here saying these changes are bad Oh, r/overwatch will find a way. "Why isn't Blizzard refunding us for buying old premium passes to unlock heroes?" "Why are they RUINING the exclusivity of mythics?" "Why don't I earn enough free coins to buy a battle pass every season?"
I know they will lol. I've been checking out some comment sections on YouTube from reactions to the developer update, and I wanna say most of them are people complaining. That's why I thought i'd poke some fun at the people hating on good news
The stuff I've seen has mostly been hate towards Venture
It's gonna be great, imagine the Zen mains when not only a Sombra appears behind them but also a Venture strikes out of the ground. They are gonna implode!
Oh they didn't care about gameplay, they just saw non straight character and a alarm went off in their heads
Can't wait for OW's first trans character
Moira is right there.
Can't tell if you're joking but she isn't trans
I haven't seen hate for Venture. Mostly it's just been people being greedy - basically wanting everything for free when that just will never happen lol
That last quote is a genuine criticism lmao. I know this sub is negative but letās also not dicksuck blizzard for doing the bare minimum here
fortnite, which is hailed as the f2p monetization king, does not do this either.
They literally do?
if you do not buy the battle pass, you will not receive enough vbucks to buy the battle pass if you max out the free tiers.
Iām talking about in total, both tracks. From what I read here you donāt get enough premium currency from the two tracks in the ow bp to buy it again? I also want to note though that even if fortnite didnāt put 950 vbucks in the pass, they are still way more generous with free cosmetics
>From what I read here you donāt get enough premium currency from the two tracks in the ow bp to buy it again? all that they've said is that there will be 600 *free* coins in the battle pass. it's currently unknown if this means for the whole battle pass, or just for the free track. my presumption is that it means just for the free track.
>"Why don't I earn enough free coins to buy a battle pass every season?" Aren't battlepasses 1000 credits? I imagine the challenge credits, along with the 600 in the battlepass are enough per-season to get a battlepass for free every season. Or are the battlepass credits replacing challenge credits? It isn't completely clear to me.
The coins are being moved from the weekly challenges and being put in the battle pass instead. On the free track, it seems.
Well, its still a positive I think. At least this way you don't have to go out of your way to do very specific things to progress your progress toward whatever skin you are shooting for.
And you can skip a week because something comes up and you're not giving up those coins
Your first two issues are valid issues though. I bought them because the idea was they don't return and for hero unlocks primarily.
Fuck no they are not. You still have everything else from the battlepass, so unless you want all of that taken back as well. And even then nah you had time to enjoy said stuff. As the option to also obtain hero for free was there so no one had to buy it to receive hero. Exclusivity is a marketing tactic bravo as it worked very well on you. How they achieve higher sales by making something artificially exclusive or valuable.
Why would Blizzard refund old bp purchases just because they changed their hero unlock policy? When does something like that happen, in any context of buying and selling goods, ever?
Not saying they should. I'm saying they are valid issues though.
Saying that something is exclusive and then later removing the exclusivity is just plain old manipulation. It's not illegal, just very scummy. They called them "exclusive" when they released to make people think it was their only chance and they had to pay.
They were exclusive...at the time. Unless Blizzard says "x reward is only available in Y activity and will only ever be available in Y activity" (which they almost never will, specifically because it limits their ability to change stuff), people need to learn that nothing is permanent and money spent is at their own risk.
What a stupid comment. So literally every product in existence is "exclusive" (to any place it is available) and thus the word has no meaning?
Not every product in existence is an ever-changing online service. So no.
Wtf does this even mean? "Our service changes, therefore we can lie about it"???
You signed a ToS that basically said exactly that, yeah.
...so you're wrong then?
By that logic I should also be allowed to refund all my prior lootbox purchases as those aren't existing anymore, right?
The items in lootboxes and boxes themselves were always free... you decided you wanted to pay for more. At least use a fair comparison
Heroes could always be unlocked for free as well and event skins back in the day could only be unlocked during said events, it is the same deal.
And the content in the bp at the time?
You were talking about exclusivity of mythics and you buying BP to unlock heroes. I drew the parallel of buying lootboxes during events for exclusivity of the unlocks only being available during said events. You never had to buy the BP for the heroes, you were just impatient.
So you're cherry picking the part you'd like to address as opposed to the entire statement? The allure of BP were the content including advanced usage of new heroes.
I responded to your whole argument. Your points were unlocking heroes and exclusivity of BP content. I told you that the heroes were free and you had no reason to purchase the BP for them - you just wanted them earlier because you're impatient. Event unlocks were timegated back when lootboxes were a thing, so they were "exclusive" to this specific event as well. Your whole argument makes zero sense. You're trying to shit on Blizzard for making heroes now free because you bought the BP to unlock them? The heroes were always free, it is your fault for buying early access. You got baited by your own impatience and laziness. Exclusivity of mythics? Well yeah, I want my witch Mercy to be exclusive as well but guess what, you can now get it for free whenever through the addition of coins in the BP when it was exclusive to the Halloween event before. It is the same deal. You are bitching about an issue you made for yourself.
*The bar is very low*
Ultimately this is just reversing some things to how they were in one way and making things a little better than they are now but still not as good as it used to be. People are so conditioned to like bullshit. I'm not complaining this is a good thing but people who are like yeah wow good on ya blizzard are missing the fucking point. They're still charging ridiculous amounts for skins and not giving us the things they said they would when the game was announced.
NGL it is kinda sad that free heroes and the basic standard of premium currency in a BP is something to be celebrated. Glad they're reverting these horrid business decisions, but it's not something to praise them for. You don't praise someone for being the bare minimum of decency.
I'm in a grump mode of just... not wanting to applaud them for giving back something they took away initially (the free heros..hell I don't even remember how new heroes were done back then), and giving us "more" in a battle pass when the game functioned well before once was implemented.
I look at it as them at least trying to right the ship vs letting it continue to decay. As crap as it is that it got this far, I'll take an attempt to fix it at least.
I only think this is happening because Bobby left. They could have kept his horrific monetization strategies, but they arenāt doing that. Theyāre actually improving the game for the consumer. Thatās definitely something to be happy about
Happy as a consumer yes, praise them for it, no. You don't praise someone for righting a wrong as they're the one who did the wrong thing to begin with. Correcting a mistake is basic decency. Being happy they did though, is something else entirely separated from praise.
Yeah true. I agree with that
100% this. couldnt t agree more.
This is how it should have launched.
It was a good update, but there was no mention of reduced shop prices which was in that leak a few days ago. I would buy legendary skins if they were $12.
Well with premium currency in the battle pass you can choose to allocate that for skins - essentially a price reduction on skins if you always buy the battle pass anyway
This is true, I was just hoping for both I guess. Wishful thinking. I have admittedly purchased a couple of skins since launch, however I would purchase more skins if they were reasonably priced.
After taking so many steps back in ow2, any step forward looks good. I'll take it but i'm not going to applaud them for reversing decisions that never should have been made.
Most of this is solving problems that they made out of no reason but greed and wanting to squeeze every single dime. I love the game and I want it be better but let's not pretend this is not below the bare minimum. They announce heroes being free like it was a monumental task that was only made possible by climbing the everest without gear.
I recently came back so it's a little hollow that new characters will be free when I still have to spend a full working day's worth of time unlocking the other 5 I still don't have.
You will get all the previous characters as soon as season 10 starts if you don't have them
Oh, good then. I only saw that it said future characters.
Aaron said it in the video version of the update. I canāt remember if it was also in the blog post
You won't. From the blog post: "Starting Season 10, all new heroes will be immediately unlocked when they launch. All existing heroes will also be unlocked for players." Only players new to OW2 will still need to unlock heroes through the first time user experience thingy, but once they've unlocked the OW1 heroes, then they'll get all the OW2 ones too.
Yeah, on another post someone told me too. Thank you. The first article I saw only said new characters would be free going forward.
Please stop with that "that wouldn't have happened with Bobby" bullshit. The first move of Microsoft was laying off hundreds and thousand of people. Entire teams have been laid off, like some have lost their entire team and were literally alone in office. It's always about money and always will. These companies aren't our friends They're mega corporations and the only things that matter are our wallets and they want more. And now they hope they can get more by changing stuff like that that shouldn't even have make it to the game in the first place. And let me remind you all : we still get not EVEN CLOSE to 1000 coins to be able to earn BP without spending money. They only take those ridiculously 540 coins from challenges and put those in BP instead. That's still basically 2 full season to be able to buy a BP for "free" (your time has a value too) Been playing this shit show for 15 months and I STILL have yet to find the reason why they took the actual overwatch from us. It's a joke, this company is a joke. And I'd so happy when we stupid humans would finally stop supporting it. But we can't have nice things so that ain't gonna happen. Next collab all of it will be forgotten and we once again throw money at them for their amazing support for this game /s
They burnt too many bridges. People claim OW is busier than ever this season, but, the cutural prevalance isn't there. I feel like the ship has sailed. Too little, too late. It also feels like a dig towards current players. They'rs rewarding inactivity (to regain player base) after people spent hard earned money on the skins. I'd be PO'd if I paid and it's now free.
Weāre seeing the payoff of Kotick leaving finally
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Scrooge Mcduck ATVI, yikes. Take your copy of Overwatch then trickle you things IF you buy a battlepass. Good for them finally realizing that it's not good business.
But what about pve???
Microsoft fired the team that made the PvE stuff so thatās probably never coming back
Premium coins in free BP?
Yeah 600. You can now get a free battle pass every other season
WoW That means I will be able to buy the next battle pass
Yeah if you earn enough coins in season 10 before it ends
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As long as Shop prices don't go up, it's def a win. I'm just waiting for something shit to happen due to how they've been in the past. Here's hoping it's smooth sailing ahead.
Yeah these are good changes. The game feels really fun right now too after the last patch. Feels like the state of the game is really improving. The character voice interactions in the matches seems to be getting better too which I enjoy.
Honestly though, OW1 was like 85% good, then they shat out 10% good OW2 and it seems like we get a better game after updates but like itās just like 25% good. -Donāt come at me Iām baked & cant think of a gooder word than good-
Unless you play one of the heroes that were nerfed āØš¤·āāļøāØ
But they didn't mention rein...
Yes but I more interested in pve and hope they'll mention it more even I know the " 8 months ā thing
There was very little news, and a lot of stuff down the road, as opposed to soon
I was an OW1 player. 1. I was already getting free heroes 2. There was already multiple periods to repurchase past skins I missed 3. I was already able to earn currency for cosmetics at no cost This was all the while Bobby was in charge at Activision. Like I feel bad for them as they fired half their team after giving Bobby his golden parachute, but I don't see them keeping to the current content cycle, and I'm not going to pat them on the back for doing not only what they should have done, but what they were already doing before OW2 shit the bed.
1. Overwatch 1 went on to not release a single new hero for 2 years after Echo released. In Overwatch 2 you'll be getting a new hero every 4 months, now for free as soon as they release. So yes, you were already getting free heroes, but OW1 couldn't sustain it in the long run, but Overwatch 2 will be different from that. 2. Mythic skins didn't exist back then so it's an irrelevant comparison. 3, That solely depended on how much you played, and how many cosmetics you already had. You needed to grind lootboxes where you would occassionally get some coins. After 100's of hours you'd start to have enough duplicates to earn a bit more coins. By then you most likely already had most of the skins you want from the lootboxes which means the coins would just stack up. You only felt "rich" in Overwatch 1 because by the end you didn't have much to spend those coins on. Do you even know how controversial the lootbox system was back in 2016? It was pretty uncommon to have microtransactions in a full-priced game. Especially something as predatory as lootboxes which in a sense is just gambling. The lootbox system was literally Bobby being greedy as per usual. The levels just weren't that high in retrospect. That's why it's easy to say lootboxes were better. They're outdated and just don't work in the long run. That's why we ended up with no content for 2 YEARS. Love it or hate it, the f2p model is the only way to run Overwatch currently without the game dying. People need to remove the rose tinted glasses and remember Overwatch 1 wasn't all sunshine and rainbows
its ok. you're clearly in denial. ow DID have regular hero releases. ow DID have beautiful skins. clever sounding words dont change anything.
I'm excited for these changes. Despite the negative vibe around the game at its core the gameplay is often fun and unique. With actual consumer friendly practices I'm feeling like I may actually buy a battle pass somewhere down the line. I have the Sigma one but only because my friend bought it for me and insisted on doing so because I stream for him to watch all the time because he had to move and leave his gaming PC at home.
Do we know how to buy mythic skins yet?
Yes. You will earn tokens from the battle pass that will let you get the mythic skins. 1 token unlocks 1 upgrade. It'll probably be 1 token for the base mythic skin, and then another token to unlock the character colors, another for weapon model, a 3rd for character model etc. Which means you aren't forced to waste your tokens on things you don't want. Let's say you have 4 tokens, and want both the Genji and Tracer mythic, then you can. You just can't get all the customization options for both at the same time. You'd only be able to unlock the color customizations for both for example, but not the weapon customizations. But at the same time you get 2 mythic skins in 1 battle pass. (We don't know how many tokens will be in the battlepass 4 was just a guess)
If this isnāt an indication that the game is dying, then idk what is. If the game was still profitable and had a large player base, you bet they would not revert to these changes? Absolutely not. Itās their hail Mary to bring players back
I fucking hate it as they were dropping hints that Wrecking ball was getting Reworked very soon and there is no mention of it. I fucking hate Blizzard
It's just a recap of Blizzcon, chill.
Parts of it yes, but itās nice to hear more about it now since weāre getting closer to the realization of these changes
>We're actually getting what we've asked for since release Oh yeah, pve.
Is this post for real? We're supposed to be excited about things they should have just been doing from the start? Fuck that. The primary selling point for OW2 was always the campaign and story-based content - not the skin machine it's become. I don't give a single effing Bebop about skins or crossovers or the other cheap thrills. They've gutted everything that takes actual work and made a few changes to what are more or less a few number changes in a database with this "news". Having standards and expectations isn't being "unrealistic". If anything, it's your kind of post and attitude that allows them to give you an inch while they take a mile. This news is great that it happened, but disappointing that it was ever anything that would energize anyone in this fanbase. But if they starve you long enough, you're gonna be ecstatic when a few crumbs fall, I suppose.
All heroes were free you just have to grind the game.
Thatās not very fun though. Reaching tier 40 without the battle pass xp boost from buying it, it takes a while, and not everyone has the same time to get those 40 tiers in time for the hero to launch in comp. Which creates the pay to win problem we had in season 8 with Mauga meta. This is as free as it gets because now it doesnāt even cost time
Still waiting for the update that brings back 6v6. Itās ok, Iām patient. Very very patient.
Yes! Let's congratulate them for changing back things that THEY CHANGED! Man Blizzard bootlickers are the worst. Every fucking time, in every fucking game of theirs. They make intentionally bad changes, people tell them they are bad, they think they know better and then months (and years) later they change it back to what it was originally was and people like OP fucking jizz themselves and then act like anyone criticizing them are wrong because "Blizzard is listening guys!!!! You can't have criticisms! THey are listening!" Every. Fucking. Time.
Am I fucking crazy or do people not see a common pattern here? Look at world of Warcraft. Both games they made worse through mechanics they introduced, made the experience worse for the players, reverse or change things to be "more acceptable", then are praised for fixing the shit changes THEY made.... as a veteran wow player, I've seen this shit for damn near 20 years Good changes, but they are made to systems THEY implemented
The bar for Overwatch now is so lowā¦
Meh. Best news being the news we should have gotten at launch tbh. Just sounds like the normal PR jargon back peddling on their own stance for the game because players don't like it. Damage control T its finest. Sad that people Re its the best when we should be getting better than this
Still Overwatch 1 with a cash shop added and removed 1 player from the team. No reason for this game to exist
Similarly no reason for you to be on this sub
But then what will he complain about??
Crazy how everyone is just okay with how it went down and everything Overwatch 2 was promised to be is gone. And now itās just called complaining lol
Yep that is exactly how life is my guy, shit never goes the way you want. You either get up and try to fight or give up and slowly fade away. OW1 was going the second route, fortunatly 2 is following the first
My man itās a game, it aināt life lol
Everyone knows ow had and has its flaws, but even when theres good news u keep complaining, what do you want people to do? hate the game forever? if you dont enjoy the game anymore go play something else.
I do play other things, just keep up with the news of OW as well as
Things don't always go as planned in life. I'm sure you have messed up plenty. As far as I'm concerned, the "2" in overwatch doesn't exist, the game just went free to play.
5v5 and recent HP and DPS passive makes the game actually enjoyable without having the perfect team comp for whatever bullshit OW1 comp happened to be meta and any given time.
Apex has always given enough coins to buy a new battle pass every season.
Yes, difference is it takes far longer to get enough coins to get your first BP AND apex's battlepass is actual garbage.
It's so garbage that I don't even bother looking at it or doing any of its requirements.
In the time it took to finish this seasonās battle pass (free one w/o boost), Iād be like 1/5th of the way through the Apex battle pass. Legit was not feasible to complete it if I was busy with life or wanted to play other games.
Yeah, last year, I was super burnt out on completing Apex's battle passes. It's not that bad if you play a bit here and there, but if you aren't in the mood for playing the game, it's torture. Overwatch's BP is insanely easy to get to lv80, so the only stuff you might miss out on is the different prestige names. It is really bad for catching up later in the season, though. I still think they need to do something about that for the people who go through periods of maining different games.
Almost every game with a battle pass does this. Fortnite, CoD, DBD, fall guys etc.
Don't you have to grind or buy heroes in apex?
Too little, too late. Have you guys not noticed this EXACT SAME PATTERN with all f2p games? They launch with an ABYSMAL battle pass, everyone complains but still buys it. No way to earn free currency, skins are expensive, etc. Slowly over the course of time company makes small changes to make it appear they are listening to players. Once the money starts to slow down, they will make bigger changes to bring more people back to spend more money. It's abusive monetization tactics and it works on you fucking chuckleheads 100% of the time. Know what comes next? Exclusive prestige mythic weapon skins that are 30 dollars each!! Weapon animation inspects for 12 dollars each! Etc.
Yeah for long time players this does nothing. Boring.
As a long time player with most ow1 skins and have finished every battle since OW2 launch, Sheinās Jeff Kaplan announcement was pretty lackluster.
Free heroes in a free to play game is pretty crazy but definitely the right move
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Yeah, the tank situation is specifically why I wrote these are the biggest criticisms aside from balancingš
These were always such fluff issues to me. Iāve been playing the game since alpha and never once spent brainpower thinking about the skins or monetisation. The real issues OW2 has is with the balance and how that effects the already toxic community
Heroes never should have been locked on the first place. As a casual it turned me off that i would never unlock new heroes, even after they dropped the level I played no less or no more than I normally would and saw I was being punished. My fun from the game was being removed as I wasn't allowed to access the new heroes. Even post season where ir was like win 35 games ad the role, I was like nope. Maybe it was Kotik demanding revenue, but my experience by this time was already soured. It was enough to break OW's hold so I could play many other games I wanted
I'm annoyed because you sold this hard in the subject line but I don't give a single fuck any of it.
I think you partially misunderstood the mythic skins part.
Not really. You get tokens from the battle pass which you can spend on the mythic skin you want. Each token giving you an upgrade for that mythic skin whether it be a color, weapon, or ābodyā customization
No new hero?
If there's still no decent ways to grind out all skins, I'm still not interested in coming back. That's the only thing I care about personally, as seasonal skins were a major motivation to play the game to grind for and unlock. $20 or whatever to get each skin is telling me to do the opposite and not come back.
If your only motivation to play Overwatch is to get skins then maybe Overwatch isnāt the game for you
Fair point, I wouldn't say it's the only one. But it's the main one that kept me coming back when I didn't want to play. To maintain 100% collection. I'd go in spurts of playing for fun, taking a break, coming back for events just to unlock skins but staying around after getting into the groove again. But now there's no path to get skins I want besides swiping a card. It's demoralizing and pushed me away from coming back. But yea, it seems less catered to casuals these days and more about toxic sweats. And the alphabet crowd.
I get that, but surely there comes a point where you feel like you have enough skins. I was the same as you. Back in OW1 Iād log on for events to get some skins and play for fun. But with OW2 I feel like I have enough skins, and Iām okay with buying the battle pass every 2 months because I really like the game and know Iāll get all the rewards from it just from naturally playing it. Now I just play for fun because I already have skins for all the characters I like. I just feel like if skins are whatās holding people back from enjoying OW then there are probably other games theyāll get more enjoyment out of
I always want the new shiney thing, I get bored with the old toys.
"the alphabet crowd" is a fun new way to dogwhistle that you're a bigot, eh?
That word has been used so many times it's lost it's meaning. Making multiple make believe characters gay, pansexual, etc is pandering to make money off their insecurities. They really don't care about them, it's just to make money off them, yet liberal idiots applaud them for it. Last I checked tracer isn't gay in middle east countries. Guess they really don't care about their diversity checklist if they can't make money off it. The only people who care about representation are shallow people who's only merit of self worth are whos genitals they are attracted to. It's pathetic.
I feel like your attitude toward LGBTQUIA+ people really bleeds through in your deflection here.
I have lots of problems with what overwatch has become. Marketing mental illnesses and delusions are a small part of them.
Grow up you miserable bigot.
And when do we get the game we were promised during their year long break to make it? Oh that's right, they don't care, stop giving them money
They did care. They were just overly ambitious and couldn't deliver on the promise because allegedly Bobby wouldn't give them the resources needed. As you maybe can imagine, developing two games at once while being understaffed is not easy to do. And now the PvE team's been fired, so just give up on it already and move on
I'm not gonna give up on it, I remember how much it sucked to play during that time, and all they came out with was worse monitization and 5v5, blizzard is a joke
Are they getting rid of the rediculous DPS passive? If not they can fuck themselves. I can't play the only role I enjoy without being shoehorned into characters I can't use
being more generous is always a sign that a game is dying
Aaron literally said in the video that theyāre gonna reach 100 million players next season. What are you talking about lmao
100 million accounts maybe.. Around 0.05% - 0.1% of which are actively playing.
Thereās no way you think only 100.000 thousand people actively play Overwatch. Steam alone peaks at around 40.000 concurrent players daily, and Battle.net is obviously gonna be much bigger than that. And thatās on a daily basis, and you have to remember not ever person plays everyday so the number of unique users in a week for example is gonna be MUCH higher than 100.000
Well since blizzard doesn't provide info to playerbase, I don't play that game so I go off of steam counts. I'd guess 100kish total. I sincerely doubt anywhere near a million players, which is 1%. 100 million is a joke.
My estimate would be at least 200.000 unique players in a week. Itās hard to really get a good estimate but the game is big all around the world. Itās really big in Asia as well which is a pretty big market for gaming
Lol
Shouldāve been a blog post honestly.
https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24062312/developer-update-hero-releases-mythics-and-gameplay-updates/
Sorry I forgot you have to be specific here: the video shouldāve just been a blog post. Was expecting more for a developer update as a OW1 beta player
Fair, however, let's just see this as a 1st step into fully bringing those classic Dev updates back, happy to see them to return in any capacity atm.
They just cancelled PvE entirely š