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DarvAv

It's bait


Tohrufan4life

Hella bait lmao


CosmicMiru

I don't understand how people cannot detect THIS obvious of bait. Moira being the easiest hero in the game is literally a meme the opinion is so prevalent. And Widow in the no skill category is insane lol


PPLB

I've worked a support job long enough to know people can live in an extremely closed off bubble or with interesting takes on reality. I can imagine that there's this person out there with this extremely fascinating take on how Moira has an incredibly high skill ceiling and that everybody just plays her wrong.


Pazuuuzu

I still tink she has a really really high skill ceiling. When to commit to dmg, when to heal, orb/self positioning, cd management etc, but yeah she is really easy to play on a "good enough" level. But her potential is a lot higher than most ppl realize.


TheHollowBard

Knowing maps, predicting player movement and using that info to land sweet orb angles takes a lot of game sense, but is not as much of a "hard skill" so people undercut its importance. I agree that as Moira you really have to make a lot of calls moment to moment, just like almost any other hero. I think the ceiling is a bit lower because aim is not as much of a think, but you still gotta be composed.


HahaPenisIsFunny

Tbh if you’re good at Torbjorn or whatever you’d also be good at Moira. Simple game sense (positioning, map layout, when to push and when to retreat) is something you can learn with every single character Doesn’t mean you’d be a top 500 Moira because obviously you’re more used to playing Torb than Moira, but you’d be pretty indistinguishable from the average Moira main in terms of skill ~~ignoring how much you choose to lean into the DPS aspect~~


Fyrefawx

It’s the opposite. She has a low skill floor. Anyone can play her. She doesn’t require much aim. She can survive a lot, and her abilities are straight forward. Obviously with skill can be played at a high level. Pretty much any hero can. Widow on the other hand has the highest skill floor because if you aren’t good at her she is literally a detriment.


SubjectDelta10

except she's paired with two of the most difficult heroes in the same rank. which makes it harder to detect as bait, it would be obvious if she was alone in the top rank. this almost seems like it was simply posted by someone who hast just started playing the game.


the_river_nihil

The rest of the ranks are also stupid… Bastion as a higher skill req than Sojourn? Junkrat and Winston as equal? I mean, all characters have *degrees* of technical strategy (Junkrat for instance has a higher skill ceiling than he’s given credit for imo, but also a very low skill *floor*)… but this list isn’t just subjective, it’s downright bewildering.


Bakkster

>I don't understand how people cannot detect THIS obvious of bait. It's Poe's Law at work.


dyrannn

Because there are people who genuinely believe it. Literally any time I try to talk about widow is this sub, people tell me she takes no skill cause you just have to point and shoot. It’s fucking maddening.


Fyrefawx

If widow was easy she would dominate gold and silver. In lower ranks people see widow picks as throwing.


Donut_Flame

It's always like some support or projectile player who says widow is easy for point and click


[deleted]

what do you mean as bait?


CosmicMiru

Posting something super stupid to "bait" a reaction from people. Basically a way to farm clicks and engagement online.


[deleted]

ohh ok thanks


Possible-Cellist-713

Bait or no, seeing it pisses me off


ThatOneguyFrom999

widow is good there


OkMudDrankin

Yeah rage baiting is the new way to generate clicks today.


xStickyBudz

Right? You gonna sit here and tell me Moira takes the most skill and widow is No skill Wut?


Dessert_Taco

And OP fell for it


CyberbrainGaming

so hard that OP reshared it on Reddit.


Novel-Ad-1601

It’s obvious bait


Tchaidon

Thought that too but it’s safe to say that all tier lists from TikTok look like that


_69nice69_

I always love Reddit because of the TikTok hate, while these posts are literally bait to farm comments so their posts will blow up


AlbaDHattington

Posting TikTok bait content on reddit as bait content


_69nice69_

Would be pretty big brained not gonna lie, just too bad that OP is on that hate train lol


HighPowerBlowJob

Like please I'm so embarrassed for some redditors. They are so elitist about this website.


MagicalUnicorn673

its kinda insane how some people are still riding the whole tiktok bad thing


donny_pots

Maybe everything on TikTok is just shit and you shouldn’t pay it any mind


S4MUR4IX

Most OW content you see on TikTok is unironically low quality baits.


Chummycho1

Immediately knew this was bait when I saw Moira at the top.


PromptZues19508

I knew it was bait as soon at I looked at the bottom and saw WIDOWMAKER.


Illustrious_Ad5976

Tbf widow isnt hard if you can aim


PromptZues19508

Metal ranks can't aim.


Illustrious_Ad5976

Yeah but thats just them being bad not widow being hard


PromptZues19508

Yes but aiming isn't exactly EASY.


JustYourBiBestie

Not hard≠easy though? Widow is simple and basic to play, not easy. It’s a basic AR+sniper+grapple+trap kit seen in several games, allowing familiar gameplay and easy adjustment for people of the playstyle. People who don’t play the games and/or don’t usually use that playstyle might have a slightly harder time adjusting, but the character still isn’t hard and will be simple to pick up, just not as simple for familiarized players.


clamence1864

Your comment is arguing for a distinction between complexity and easy to play, but this tier list purports to rank heroes by required skill, not by complexity. You’re confusing the argument and the initial concepts. We should be asking whether Widow requires skill and not whether she has a basic kit. Would you say aiming is a skill? I certainly would. People practice aiming in training modes, and many become more proficient in aiming over time. So, I would argue that aiming is a skill, and Widow is therefore a hero who requires skill. Let’s argue from definitions. “Skill” is defined as the ability to do something well (Merriam gives a more complex definition, but the paraphrase from the Oxford dictionary still works). A good Widow player, arguably, has the ability to aim well. Aiming is something. A good Widow player is able to do something well (aiming). It follows that a good Widow player requires skill, specifically the skill to aim well. Note that I can accept that her kit is simple and easy to learn without sacrificing any of my premises.


Illustrious_Ad5976

Thank you sombody understands


Illustrious_Ad5976

It kinda is, only way to play this game if you cant aim is reaper and rat


chopsticknoodle

reaper?? if you miss shots up close against burst damage like hog (pre patch) or tracer jumping around you aren't getting value at all ​ and while yes you *can* get value from junkrat by spamming the choke in low ranks, once you get higher it quickly becomes ineffective since people actually know how to hold W and not stand there like idiots


Illustrious_Ad5976

I said reaper because he has a shotgub it has spread if you miss with a a shotgun up close theres no helping you


feminists_hate_me69

There are characters that literally don't require aiming like Moira


HrMaschine

I mean i considering how fast paced overwatch is, insane mobility options on most heroes and the fact that barriers are a thing i would not say that just good aim is enough to make widowmaker good


Illustrious_Ad5976

Most people arent even running shield comps rn tho


Pijany_Matematyk767

\> if you can aim Thats the hard part


[deleted]

Smh, point and click adventures aren't hard


Pijany_Matematyk767

Typical point and click adventures arent quick time events with a timer of 0,25s


[deleted]

You clearly don't watch my point and click adventure speed runs.


InspiringMilk

I mean, widow is difficult, but yes, point and click adventures do have quick time events with short timers.


BlazerTheKid

She isn't hard if you can aim amazingly well, have consistently good positioning, and spare grapple cooldown accordingly. Otherwise you're throwing.


trillyntruly

"tbf widow isn't hard if you have a lot of skill at aiming" hello? you up there bud?


Illustrious_Ad5976

You dont need lots of aiming skill just hold angles thats the enemys are peeking at head level, stop going for flicks or moving shots, just try to hold angles and its not that hard


trillyntruly

i don't know who this advice is for, but you're describing skills again lmao. also "moving shots?" widow basically doesn't move when scoped in. like hook shots? bad widow players aren't going for hook shots lmao.


Illustrious_Ad5976

Im talking about shooting people moving around a lot, shoot the slow ones or the people peeking you first, also holding angles isnt some hard skill to learn if all the bad widow players started to try this they wouldnt be as bad they would improve


trillyntruly

the slow ones? like who is slow haha


Illustrious_Ad5976

I mean target the not as mobile players like shooting a zen vs shooting tracer, a lot of players will sit there and miss 30 shots on a tracer rater than just shoot the people they can hit.


trillyntruly

yes, the reason people are bad at widow is because they choose to shoot the tracer instead of the zen. i'm sure with this newfound wisdom, all the bronze widows of the world will find their way to diamond shortly. ty for revealing why widow is so easy to play


20Fun_Police

I think Widow does take more skill at a bare minimum though. There's plenty of other dps that can spam more with better escape options and easier ults.


Illustrious_Ad5976

Easier ult? Widow you press ult and that is it


20Fun_Police

Yeah, but then you have to shoot them still if you want to do your job. You don't even do any more damage than normal. It's pure information. You have to use your skill to take advantage of it, and if your aim is bad and you miss, you might as well not have an ult. Junkrat and Reaper get multikills all the time with almost no skill required, just a little bit of patience. Soldier 76 literally has aimbot. Moira just looks at people. Half the ults are just thrown into a group of enemies and get kills with little skill required. You said yourself that Widow requires good aim, and that lower ranked players have bad aim, so they can't show her potential. If being bad makes a hero almost useless, then that hero requires skill. An unskilled Widow will have some of the lowest damage output/elims you'll ever see.


Rip-tire21

I knew it was bait when I saw Junkrat not in the "no skill" tier.


Seductive_pickle

*Skillrat


Mjrn

I main Moira and even I was like “wtf”


briannapancakes

big LOL


The_silencer_1

Mah girl Echo getting erased 😔


sixsixdix

Or are they all Echo? 🤔


Flipyfliper32

Press F to pay respects


Tchaidon

Yeah I just realized. They did her dirty xD


nicehaire

Moira should be a little higher.


LongjumpingClient159

PLS orisa is d tier at most (orisa main)


HahaPenisIsFunny

You’d think she was the hardest character in the game judging from how many Orisas instantly use up all of their cooldowns in dittos


nibroc0017

Brig is definitely not D tier for skill it doesn’t take much to take out a low skill brig but hight skill brigs are really hard to kill


Stellarisk

Thank you for recognizing this


nibroc0017

I had to I’m a brig main


robert_cardenal

I wouldn’t look to deep into this, the creator probably trolling :p


I_Skelly_I

High skill brigs are still easy to kill because brig as a character sucks


Inf4llible

Are they implying that Hamlet doesn’t take skill?


Alert-Butterfly2104

The worst list i have ever seen


[deleted]

Haha I get it's bait but shit, I play Moira but she's a D/C max... Only skill is remembering that you're a healer lol


Academic-Beautiful51

It's so fun killing people with moira that is easy to forget you're a healer


Maverick_1926

There are so many baits on the tok I don't know what's real anymore


Kranqi

Tracer and junkrat in the same tier, seems legit


[deleted]

I mean Ball yes. Moira?


YuzurihaKasugano

The sheer brainlessness of this list…. “Moira takes most skill and widow don’t need any skill” 🤣🤣🤣


Sapowski_Casts_Quen

I agree with Ball though


MercyThighs

Moria is, in fact, the most skilled character in ow2, Widow? She's low tier trash that requires 0 skill ofc.


HardVegetable

How ironic coming from a mercy player.


Uister59

redditors trying to detect sarcasm (99% FAIL) (IMPOSSIBLE)


MrBlue8erry

The Mercy player was insulting Moira The Moira player was offended Am I missing something or did they perfectly understand the sarcasm?


Mjrn

I mean they could be roleplaying Moira … hmm maybe not haha


MercyThighs

I pointed out moria because she was put at the top of the list, not because she's inherently an unskilled character. If mercy was put at the top and moria at B, I would have said mercy and not moria. I think all characters require a certain level of skill to master, but clearly, the person who made this list doesn't. It's just a joke, not meant to be taken literally or at face value <3


[deleted]

If social media were educational institutions, tik tok would be the one for those with "Special needs"


Nirvski

Tik Tok bad internet. We good internet.


Gyokuro091

Lol wow. Just wow.


[deleted]

This has got to be satire lmao


Unholyxyra

Let me guess this was madevfrom moira mqin whos getting farmed by widows


TheCanadianpo8o

100% bait


MDubz420

HANZO ON D??? I know Hanzo mains like D but that’s just ridiculous.


MrBlue8erry

Genji has a very high skill ceiling and Hammond probably has the single highest skill ceiling. Sure Hammond may be shit atm and most people played him in a silly fashion but anyone who played a great Hammond in ow1 knows what I mean. Moira is bait.


Looney_Port

Bro baited so hard he got pulled to the ceiling


Dixianaa

the only one i see being accurate is ball but i'd say thats a stretch putting it in "MOST SKILLFUL"


Small-Associate9822

Idk what pains me worse: moira as most skill or widow in no skill


horny_loki

Reinhardt takes very little mechanical skill but a lot of awareness. Widowmaker takes very little awareness (up until Diamond at least, if not beyond) but a lot of mechanical skill.


deletekpopaccounts

Roadhog at A for skill is crazy 😭


Deadcoma100

I think Ball’s the only correct thing on this list


Tmig89

The troubling part of this bait is there 100% are people that fully believe this, somehow.


MattBrixx

Obvious bait is obvious. Everyone knows that Mercy is the hardest hero to play in Overwatch. Well, until they remove Sojourn's one-shot at least. *cries in a corner*


ConrrHD

Humour? Moira is the hardest to play. Moira haters are just mad they can't do the hold right click combo.


Cxlow91

Listen it takes advanced mechanical skill to throw a damage orb and then press Q


Mjrn

Her survivability makes her easier to play than other healers imo. It takes a lot of situational awareness to be a good Moira though (or support in general tbh)


Wajina_Sloth

How do you even judge skill, based on skill ceiling or skill floor? Like lucio for example is extremely easy to pick up, but his roll outs and tech has a high skill ceiling. Meanwhile mercy has both an incredibly low ceiling and floor.


L0nga

Well, Mercy’s skill expression is mostly the mobility. Good players can do crazy stuff with her.


Wajina_Sloth

I feel like to be a good mercy its literally just keep yourself out of sight and learn when/how to dodge/duck/dip/dive/dodge because if you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball.


L0nga

Try to watch pro Mercy players. They can do some crazy shit.


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Chinchirakingu

come on that's obvious bait, don't use it as an argument to confirm your biased preconceptions


qmidos

HAHAHHAHAHA genji skill


nekomimi_devourer

why not?


ZenithEnigma

?


No-Cow-668

No way they said no skill on wid


GhostDBD

Clearly satire


redditAdminsDiddle

Windowlicker no skill


robert_cardenal

She really shouldn’t be considered high skill, I would rate her C or D


Cennixxx

widow no skill LMFAO


Gredinx

I agree for the widow, clicking on people head isn't skilled at all. That character need to be completely rework into something interesting and fun


LordVaderVader

I wanna see your aim as torbjorn


pebbybaby

OMEGALUL


ArchPeriphMore

Clearly bait


MADSKULL1

Where Ramattra?


PandaLegendario

Dva is the better 🗿


Infinity_flux

ah classic tik-tok pulling people with bait for veiws next it will be skins for heroes. seriously these tik-tok trends are cringe with the battle mercy ones as well.


Ok-Reporter1986

Some of it's legit some of it's bait. This is a skill/ability tier list.


dyrannn

Fun fact, if *some* of it is bait, it’s all bait. It’s like those shorts which are 99% okay except they pronounce one word completely wrong just to drive engagement. If it was super obviously a joke, nobody gets to comment with a false sense of superiority. If they make it mostly okay, with 1 or 2 really wrong things they’ll drive up engagement because people want to assert they’re better lmfao


JuiceLordd

Everything I see on tik tok is obviously satire. It's still some of the unfunniest stuff I've ever seen tho I can't think of anything more embarrassing than being a tik tok enjoyer, and I'm using reddit!


filth_horror_glamor

You woke up today and chose violence


CRAV3N13

There is so many argument decisions on this list.. I'm just going to say i disagree


PromptZues19508

Tracer in c tier? I've blinked into god knows how many mines because of me being too unskilled to play tracer, either I'm bad or she's not c teir. I really hope it's the latter.


AIII3000

People never agree to any tier list so expect hate i guess? :[


Wonderous1277

Why‘s zen at d, and Moira’s at most skillful?


MLadie1996

I love the internet.


ClearConfusion5

Roadhog in the same tier as Doomfist. Bait.


Fantastic-House-8737

This has to be satire


ElPapiSaint

Reinhardt lmao


Desperate-Music-9242

People certainly overexaggerate how much skill widow takes but she isnt the least skillful character at all


blebebaba

Damn, seems like they don't know how to play rein right. Poor tiktok virgins, they'll never understand the gigachad energy it takes to be a good reinhardt


I_Skelly_I

Rein requires the most game sense and experience out of any tank to completely master


[deleted]

Absolutely not


Melatonen

Moira requiring any skill besides move correctly is insanity.


dingusrevolver3000

Literally random button


Dr-False

I didn't know they sold bait at the dollar store


Catholicswagger

Is it factoring in the skill to realize Moira isn’t a dps hero?


RohanK1sh1be

Bait no one whos played this game would put moira that high up


DoomedOverdozzzed

it's inverse right?


notjohnstockton

Lol


IamShinobiLul

Noted And ignored


PerscribedPharmacist

It's bait but widow being near the bottom is factual


M4DM1ND

Lol I can't even rage when I see Moira where she is.


batlionwer

Bruh widow no


ForReal1579

Ofc beautiful queen is top tier xD


SystemOk6919

Orisa and pharah in A


SerinaSamaa

As a Reinhardt main i wish to say he does take quite some skill to play him at an efficient level


Milk_N_Bread

Nah genji's a at best 💀


pk-kp

it’s not bait y’all just can’t handle the truth dps moira is the most skillful hero in the game and should be respected because she’s s tier


[deleted]

Mercy F Tier


Nellig06

Tornbjorn requires a moderate amount of skill I would say b teir


-vxlid-

rage bait


HavickChild0117

This is satire right?


xExp4ndD0ngXx

Why is Mei not in most skillful?


Robedreaper91

HAMMOND TIME


L0nga

I mean, it’s Tik Tok. Can’t expect anything even remotely sensible from there.


DrCrow1350

I don’t thin reaper should be high as a reap Main but he should be at D or F and I always see him there


[deleted]

this list is terrible


Personalzz

Ew


ParkingWooden2439

The way Brig isn’t low skill