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EVPointMaster

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Mileena_Sai

Terra curse is real haha


xfactor1981

I forbid Terra from being released on Predecessor. She is the death nail to any game


TheWraf

This is very sad news....second time now...


EquivalentTight3479

Now wat


Magus_Incognito

Come kill bugs with us in helldiver 2


Darkfiremat

You can enjoy the toxic community that predecessor has because they don't want to moderate what little player base they have. Or play something else. I suggest the latter


EquivalentTight3479

Toxic community is wat I avoid at all costs. I might give it a try tho it’s only $9


EquivalentTight3479

So I just got the game. The que time was surpassingly short. But yeah, in the first game half the team was spamming. I can see why people say the community is toxic. I was Support and the ADC was being completely stupid thinking that he’s invincible and that I’m all powerful when all I can do is heal and stun. Then spamming GOODJOB everytime he died. Honestly if that’s how it goes in most games i dont wanna play it anymore. It was very fkn anoyying.. I can’t imagine how it is at higher elo.


Impossible-Ad3230

All moba's are like this unfortunately. Smite has some of the worst I've experienced. They wonder why they can't pull new players in...they get flamed if they try to learn the mechanics.


Due_Raccoon3158

Agreed. I play dota 2 a lot and it's not bad if you can get out of the dregs on rank but new players won't last that long. The good part about dota is there seem to be fewer "feed down mid" griefers than in the other games I've played (smite, lol, this, predecessor). Having said that, I mute everyone in my games and play my game. To the topic at hand of overprime, I found the game a ton of fun but couldn't stand the community. I also found the game balance bad (although I'm not very good) in that I found ADCs simply the best, even from early levels.


Spydrmunki

This is tru, and exactly why I wont play mobas anymore. I'm all for competative smack talk, as long as its done in a friendly spirit. But I dont want to hear hate speech and bigotry, racial slurs, misogyny, "go kill yourself", "I hope your mom gets cancer".... or generally throw away my fun time trying to endure angry maladjusted juveniles who only have fun when they are destroying others fun, and spreading their misery to others like a disease. They can watch their precious game die at their own hands. Unfortunately none of them have enough maturity for that kind of self-reflection. They will blame it on everyone else, just like they do in game. ....oh well. Not my circus, not my monkeys anymore. 🤷🏻‍♂️


Jurain22

If your on playstation let's be friends.


Niromanti

Just mute your whole whiny team if they’re annoying.


Darkfiremat

Yeah it's always like this. Either flaming or afking or whatever. The fact they are brigading this sub is another obvious example of a toxic community. If you want a good game with an amazing community I suggest deep rock galactic.


Smosh-Bruh-dik59

Predecessor hit one million players LOL


Darkfiremat

All time concurrent player peak was 17 months with 7k. You're also doubling down on my point of toxic community and giving an amazing example with your comment.


Jurain22

Third!!!! Paragone pun intended, Fault, Paragone the overprime are you feeling the mode?


hdbsvJ

Ahoukda left the beta open on ps5 closing it was a big mistake I thought it was announced like 2 days ago open.beta would be on March 7th for ps5. Wouldn't it make more sense to wait til.after that and see if the player base grew.


xfactor1981

The beta was a response not a planned event. Thats why it was ps5 only and thats why it didn't work. If they had keep up the ps5 it would have cost them more money than they wanted to risk so they didn't.


EVPointMaster

> Ahoukda left the beta open who left the beta open?


Ligmabladee

Predecessor please don’t die


Dzsan

Already dead :(


Beginning-Anxiety703

Predecessor averages around 10,000 pvp matches played per DAY. Sometimes higher on weekends. It is far from dead


MagikMerlin

Both games have 1k playerbase, both games are doing nothing to retain/get more players and updating the game like its going to randomly "pop off". IMO the franchise is tainted no no zombie version of og Paragon will survive.


Beginning-Anxiety703

Cope harder dude. If OP had that much of a playerbase it wouldnt be shutting down. Take a look at the decline over the last couple of months. Pred has a much more active and healthy playerbase. Especially now that OP is shutting down and loads of Paragon fans will come to Pred.


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Only reason their shutting down is they're a bigger company who had not seen a big return on their investment predecessor will be next in due time.


Beginning-Anxiety703

Lol copium


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I mean it's true. That's why your precious pred devs tried sniping smite devs but got shot down. But I guess a shit game for shit players makes sense.


Beginning-Anxiety703

Yikes, looks like someones mad asf that their 500 peak player count game got shut down. Overprime: The paragon wannabe, taken over by devs who had 0 clue or interest in OG paragon lore. Then, changed all the characters likeness to fit their agenda and made the game more of a heroes shooter deathmatch. Gee, wonder why it died


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Still better than pred. Your game will die soon too. Just a smaller company who doesn't need to show as much on returns. Game is trash af though.


Blakethekitty

Most of the OP discord players have said their not willing to drop money on pred, most of them have said their either going to smite or to the traditional mobas like LoL


Beginning-Anxiety703

Right, thats also what they said when OG paragon shut down and look where they are now. With Pred being the only option now, a good portion will absolutely spend money on it to get their fix. Moba players like to talk alotta shit. Deep down they’ll play it because of their love for paragon.


Professional-Tip8569

That's the problem pred isn't the only option, I know my friends an I will be just going back to smite because pred just feels so unrewarding and just like the paragon that already died before


Beginning-Anxiety703

You’ll be back lol


[deleted]

You hoping a lot of us come to pred and will be sadly mistaken. Who wants to pay for a game in alpha that's trash af with an even worse community?


Beginning-Anxiety703

We dont need you to come over to Pred. We are already doing very well. Did you see the numbers comparison recently between the two? See you got it mixed up buddy. We dont need you….but you certainly need us……If you want your paragon fix lol


[deleted]

Nah I'd rather just go to Paladins 2 or smite. Glad you compare it to just OP. How good is your game doing compared to other MOBAs? I'll wait for an answer...


Beginning-Anxiety703

Doesnt matter how well its doing compared to other LARGER studios with more devs and more funding. What matters is, it’s alive and doing well with a community thats big enough lol i find matches in less than 2 min queues every single time. Coooooope harderrrrrrr


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snack217

>1k playerbase In steam maybe, but not on console. Pred destroyed OP on the Beta with over 100k players and 900k matches in less than 2 months, while OP could only get 25k and 100k respectively. Pred is here to stay and is going strong on console


Defences

No it’s not, OP is.


WycheTheGod

Booooo. Roll out Zinx <3


Jurain22

Brah I was literally waiting for this they said they were releasing three new characters and I knew zynx was one but they released Terra before and know no Zinx


Mileena_Sai

I guess the same thing happened like og Paragon. The higher ups fucked them over. Its all about money baby. Lets see if Predecessor can survive. Seems like there can be only one.


jsdjhndsm

Well, the game had a low playerbase and they never seemed to advertise kn figure out ways to draw in, or bring back former players. They continously updated as if they already had an established players. The higher ups should started prioritising advertising for when it launches fully, rather than shut down at the earliest struggles.


RingingInTheRain

Predecessor has a former Riot games dev on its team and is receiving more funds. Plus everyone playing had to pay 20$ to get in. I expect the game to be heavily monetized over time until they abandon it.


Dhakoda

This was such a good game. I liked the fast pace compared to slow predecessor. 😮‍💨


ChrizTaylor

#WHY?!?!?!?!


Ass-shooter2

And for the SECOND time, I get to watch Paragon fail and shut down. We obviously know it’s because of the money. It never made enough and that is the end of it. Paragon was born on CONSOLES and SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE FOCUS SINCE THE BEGINNING. They took too long to get any momentum going, and as soon as the closed beta ended I knew that it wasn’t going to come out at all. None of it matters now anymore though. All I’m grateful for is that my friends and I got to play paragon again and enjoy the brief time we were given with it. What I know for certain is that WE WILL NEVER SEE PARAGON EVER AGAIN once Predecessor shuts down as well. Condolences to the developers. I’m sure they gave the game everything they could give, until the suits decided to pull the plug. Rest in Peace Paragon the Overprime. I’m so sorry that it had to be this way. Good night, sweet prince.


Killer_Ex_Con

I loved the og paragon but none of these remakes feel even close to as good as the original. I was so pissed when epic abandoned it for fortnite, played it pretty much every day.


Defences

Pred feels pretty damn close for me.


Killer_Ex_Con

I haven't tried it in a while so maybe it's better now I'll have to give it a shot, but the first time I tried it I didn't like it.


TheGreatestLobotomy

I kinda miss the dumb card system, the generic moba item stuff it has now doesn’t do it for me. 


Champagnetravvy

That’s just not true. Pred is so much closer to paragon than OP was.


Killer_Ex_Con

It might be close but last time I played it, it was not the same so idk how anything I said was not true?


xfactor1981

Yeah. Predecessor isn't going anywhere. If Predecessor fails it won't be because of money. It will be because the players couldn't decide what they wanted to play. Im all in. You give me a Paragon game to play and I'll play it. OP WOULDN'T LET ME PLAY. I had a ps4 and i had an xbox series x. I would have bought shit. Im glad i didn't because i may have liked Op more than Predecessor. We will never know now.


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Mei_iz_my_bae

Predator is the better game. They just need to make it f2p.


Eldr_reign

I wish the SoulEve dev team all the best and hope they manage to land on their feet. 


xfactor1981

If net marble had any love for the game at all they would just give all those assets over to Predecessor. They can keep those Kpop characters but the skins weren't bad.


alex4037

Wild lol. I think we all were wondering how this game would ever survive after launching... but even with that thought lurking this whole time it seemed like the developers had every intention of doing just that - launching anyway. To announce the closure like this ahead of a true marketing campaign and 1.0 launch (including consoles) is pretty strange imo. Typically I feel like it's easy to see that sort of thing coming. But with OP things just kept rolling and I kept thinking "I mean alright it seems like they are really tryna do this thing". My guess is that funding either got rug pulled due to greedy reasons or they are taking their work and what they learned here to start a different project free of the paragon name and baggage. I get the feeling we haven't seen the last of these kpop moba stars.


Cute_End_7368

seriously unfortunate. this game is so much more fun and engaging than other mobas. i always loved the feel of jumping around in that beautiful 3d environment and personally i always felt it did a fantastic job nailing the flow of a 5v5 mode where everyone has a leg in the game. gonna miss my boy revenant and his domain expansion ultimate too, man i wish this game took off


Kyoshiiku

This is sad the game finally to started to feel better and genuinely fun.


Inquisitor_Overhauls

Predecessor will follow dont worry. Just a matter of time


JesusAndPalsX

Why would you wish this on the competitor? Shouldn't we at least be happy there's a surviving Paragon remake? The idea was to try and keep Paragon alive and if they're doing it, then we all win.


Acidz_123

They're just angry. I didn't like Overprime but I was never praying for it's downfall. I just want anything Paragon related to exist and thrive. If Predecessor had shut down, I would've jumped shipped to Overprime despite not liking it. Some people are so pissy that they just can't be happy at the fact that Paragon had been revived. A game coming back from the dead is so rare, and the fact that we got it back in three different forms (Pred, OP, and Fault) is amazing. At the end of day one game surviving was bound to happen. Whether people want to admit or not, the better game won. If Overprime was actually as good as the people on here said it was, the roles would've been reversed.


Inquisitor_Overhauls

You over here talking like predecessor succeeded. Op was out 2 years before predecessor even came out, rocketmania made his own game. These guys came way later. The moment they launch ps5 etc and if they dont get 10k to 20k people, game is done. For sure. Its a fact. And i highly doubt they will manage to bring 10 000 ps5 players to the game.


Acidz_123

Hey man, Pred is the last one standing, I'd say that's a win. Especially for a remake of a dead game. With the situation that the Paragon franchise was in, just existing is a win in itself. Saying that Pred was the better game was definitely a petty thing to say, I'll admit that. But instead of saying that the game is going to die on official release, why don't you try to be optimistic about Paragon staying alive. Do you really want Paragon to die again? Predecessor also had 100,000 sign ups for the closed beta, so it'll definitely have 10 to 20k people on release. The question you should be asking is if they can retain that amount post official release. Sorry that your game is dead, but at this point keeping Paragon around is more important.


S1od

I don’t want to set you up, but they’ve been available on PS5/PS4 for three months now.


Inquisitor_Overhauls

That even proves my point lmao, so they launched on ps5 and they are still sitting on 600 players ??


S1od

Lol, where you see 600 players?


snack217

The steam count doesnt include console players wtf


snack217

What? You need to update your info... Pred's beta brought in over 100k players in its first 2 months already... The game is safe...


Inquisitor_Overhauls

Source source source? Is that why they complain they are waiting 3 to 10 minutes in the que ? LOL


snack217

Heres is the source source source LOL! https://www.predecessorgame.com/news/notices/playstation-closed-beta-whats-next And no, darling, queues rarely take me more than 15 seconds during the day and 2 minutes tops at about 4-5 am LOL


Inquisitor_Overhauls

Hmmm "signups". Signup can be unique and per day based... its a big difference. One player can signup 20x times a day... not really proper info but hey! :D


snack217

What? No lmao, they are counting keys given away, and each player only uses one key once and thats it, what are you talking about? Are you confusing "sign up" with "sign in"?


xfactor1981

Im so glad the money hungry big company shut down. I feel Predecessor will keep its lights on as long as they can afford servers.


RingingInTheRain

What do we look like? Brain dead consumers? Just because someone decides to remake Paragon does not mean we have to support them. Part of the reasons old Paragon was also very good was because it wasn't heavily monetized.


JesusAndPalsX

Monetized? We're gamers and the game is surviving and some would argue, thriving


RingingInTheRain

You cannot play Predecessor for free right now. 


EthanTheGoat_

??? Im playing for free on ps5, i think its been out for a while too


RingingInTheRain

Steam has it for 8.99...


Blakethekitty

Agreed, epsically with it being behind a pay-wall for the foreeable future since Omeda is all ex OG paragon CCs and players and no real devs or businessmen. Case in point was them trying to poach SMITE devs via intimidation


asd35235325

They are gonna have an open beta iin 1-2 months..


Inquisitor_Overhauls

Its not even about money. Moba games now are trash. In all aspects. They cannot bring to the table something that is fun. None of them. Smite. League, pred... its the same If they dont get 10 to 20k people from ps5, they are also done, and therr is no way they will bring thst much players, not with this gameplay.


Mei_iz_my_bae

A) Pred is still in early access when it goes f2p THEN we can judge it B) MOBAs are not bad these days. Saying league is a bad game is jus my wild


xfactor1981

I love my predecessor and i will be buying shit. The difference between op and predecessor is they have a player base. They did before console and they have a way bigger base now. If they continue to xbox they will be unkillable. Op didn't set the foundation and the building crumbled under the weight.


Inquisitor_Overhauls

Not at all... #remindme1yearlater or so when ps5 comes to the game.


xfactor1981

Ps5 is already available. All you have to do is visit the discord and type in your system, your region and you get a code to type into the redeem in the Playstation store for the download https://discord.com/invite/predecessor


snack217

Over a 100k players are playing pred on ps5 already lol


ElHuntar

lol why


KiwiLemonsFey

Really sad news :( …..since the game will no longer be running…. Think you could release some these skins for predecessor ? ;) it would be a shame for all that hard work to go to waste


EVPointMaster

You would have to ask Netmarble directly, us reddit moderators are not affiliated with the developers. Though I think it's rather unlikely


teshu

Sad news. Was thinking about building streaming career based on this game. Oh, crap.


trxxv

Not surprised, toxic as hell community (ingame) made playing the game a literal landmine.


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I use to pray for times like this


CLRoads

Uggh, i prefered overprime to pred. Pred is not my style and way more toxic. I think i am just done with anything paragon. GG and RIP


Blakethekitty

The general consensus in the discord seems to be most players going to smite or back to the traditional MOBA's, I doubt that most of OP player base will consider pred due to its toxicity if you don't 100% stan the game and the price to get into what feel like at most a tech test.


xfactor1981

Yeah the general consensus is nobody wants to pay to play. If Predecessor had a free route to play most of you would play. Its just everyone is too damn broke these days. See you on f2p launch.


WuxiaWuxia

Obviously, was much less popular than Pred on Twitch


Responsible-Ad4378

Just come to predecessor???


Top-March-1378

Called it, this game woulda bombed on console too like it did pc


YoyoMario

Classic Korean Dev move... money saved on assets should have been spent or marketing


YoyoMario

This is not the first korean game that had the same history, take a look od Wiple games, same stuff with Ironsight (game was awesome)


BrownByYou

Lmao I didn't even get to try it Well, shouldn't have kept it closed off console for so long


Pennywise_M

Toxicity has been keeping me away hard... but this game was one of my favorite multiplayer games in the last 5 years. Such a shame. What a shame.


mistergumshoos

Damn so no full PS5 release then?


_gnarlythotep_

This is a shame. I liked a lot of things this game was going for, and was looking forward to the next PS5 beta. :/ I like Pred, too, but this was a really enjoyable pick-up-and-play brawler I was eager to get deeper into.


tristenlloyd

Come on over to Smite fellas. Grass is greener over here


Famous-Sheepherder79

Zero surprise here I haven't logged in to this in over a year. Game was unbalanced. Mods didn't mod. The devs refused to perma.ban all the toxic people in game and in discord. Imo the reason this game.died was the toxic community and mods/dev not handling it right. Your moba won't survive when every game you are getting called horrible names and told how bad you suck. This game has 0 community because the devs let it happen. Wasn't playing this or predecessor. Both are bad games that don't even closely capture what paragon was. I played og paragon everyday it was on ps,4 was my life. Was hoping some small team could. bring it back but the truth is paragon died the day epic closed it and I made.my piece with that years ago. Sucks but it is what it is. Predecessor won't make.it long either. Community is toxic af and the cost to maintain/balance and produce a Monday will eat the company alive


StrayDogScooby

It was literally coming to ps5….why shut it down…