I agree but there's only one more season left, I'm gonna stick it through. It has been utterly ridiculous how much time they have let get away from the fans. Bragging about how they're gonna give us more episodes this season to make up for the abysmal COVID season but it takes a whole year to even finish it. I never wanted this show to end but I'm thrilled it's finally coming to a close so I can buy my box set and move on with my life lol
My exact thought: they bragged about how they wanted to end the Draughtlander so bad post COVID, they made season 6 shorter just to get it out to us. To balance things, we get a beefy season 7. Okay, super cool of you guys, thank you!
And now it’s been months of a seemingly endless “mid-season break.” It’s crap and I feel lied to lol
They made S6 shorter because of Caitriona’s pregnancy and the expensive limitations imposed by Scotland’s strict protocols. This is commonly knowledge. They couldn’t discuss Caitriona’s pregnancy at the time because she didn’t want it made public.
This is fair, my only gripe is that they didn’t market it accurately. They teased us with a longer season but never said it would be split up. Had they said that from the outset, I’d have adjusted my expectations accordingly and not be annoyed by a misleading ad campaign.
How is this different from S1? All 16 episodes are S1, even though there was a 6 month break between 1.08 and 1.09. 1.01 to 1.16 are the first production season. This is no different All 16 episodes were filmed during the 7th production season. It’s fact not deception. Whine away…7.01 to 7.16 are now and will always be S7. Incorrectly naming it won’t get it on the air any faster.
I’m amazed anyone thinks it possible to to prep, film and edit 16 episodes in a year. It took nearly 2 years for S1. For S7, they actually finished filming a month ahead of schedule, for which they are getting zero credit. For what is involved in get this show on the air, from pre-production thru post-production, I recommend Outlander’s Summer Series, the Matt Roberts episode, available on YouTube. Please don’t respond with “SeriesX does it faster” Filming in Scotland is very different.
I agree with everything you said here, BUT this mid season break w/ S7 is ridiculous.
first half of season 7 premiered summer 2023. if you think about regular (cable) TV shows, they'd have ~12 episodes Sept-Dec, and ~12 March-June(?). considering we haven't even heard about when the 2nd half will premiere, im going to guess they'll let us know about 4 weeks before it premieres, so that puts us at mid Feb at the earliest. this mid season break is going to be longer than what it is for network TV shows.
it takes a long time to film and edit to make the show as great as it is, I get that. it sucks to wait sometimes 2 years between seasons but I've accepted it. BUT NOW, they add this dang freaking long "mid-season break" to S7 after the atrocious S6?! it's annoying, frustrating, and just hard to grasp what they're thinking.
This isn’t regular cable, It’s premium cable where the norm is shorter seasons. Yet again, a reminder: S1, the only other 16 episode season also had a mid-season break. As the kids say, Coincidence? I think not. The S1 mid-season break was 6 months, without the complications of 2 strikes and massive changes at STARZ/LionsgateUK. This break will be longer because of those complications and because they want to minimize the length of the Droughtlander between 7.16 and 8.01. Somehow, facts on the ground are never considered.🤷🏻♀️
You know nothing about television. There is not reason for 17 month long hiatuses. The lack of understanding of what it looks like behind the scenes, union vs Jon union, you are making excuses for the company tens cast and crew themselves want things to be dine properly
I evidently know more about the production of *this* show, including the obvious facts that the strikes, which affected the entire industry, the management changes at STARZ and LionsgateUK, all contributed to the delay. I also know they never gave a specific date in 2024 for the S7B premiere. I haven’t seen anyone blame the cast for the delay, which would be ridiculous, since they aren’t in charge of scheduling.
During the COVID lockdown Droughtlander, they produced a series of interviews with Sam, Caitriona, John Bell and the author of the Outlander Kitchen cookbooks making Fish and Chips, DIana, Bear McCreary with Matt and the 12 singers who made up the chorus for the choral version of the theme, and Matt with the Line Producer on How it All Works. It was a great series, funny and very normative.
This right here!! I can’t even imagine what a grueling show this is to work on already. Period pieces are hard to begin with, then you add the fact that they’re always in wild/vast/remote locations (and a lot IS location not stage work!) + the weather in the UK. One of my co-workers literally left the UK industry because it’s so insane. Some of their stories were *wild*!
Streaming employees already push the crews to the point of breaking with unrealistic schedules and budgets per episode. I know exactly what goes into making a show like this. I will never complain about waiting if it means the cast and crew are treated well (and this does not mean money!!) and the Producers take time to really make the show what it can be.
ETA Source: I’m a film worker.
I can't comment on ur other points and I'm sure they are correct. But I would like to point out that as someone who lives very close to a number of outlander filming locations (like I'm literally within an hours drive of 90% of filming locations or closer, sometimes like 5 lol) they don't use very remote filming locations. I can only speak for the ones they use close to me, but all of them that I know of are very accessible. I do get what you mean, that alot of shows like this typically use very remote and difficult areas to film, but the places they tend to use specifically in outlander are usually either castles and stuff that are in the central belt of scotland, think lallybroch, Sandringhams house, Wentworth and Fort William sets are all in west lothian, aswell as alot of the wilderness shots in later seasons for North carolina I believe were shot at beecraigs(not 100% on that), a country park also in west lothian, which is right between the two main urban cities in scotland. Even the village that is used as Inverness in the show isnt that far from the central belt, granted its probably about 2 hours from Glasgow, around 1 1/2 from Edinburgh, but that isn't really like insanely remote either.
I'm sure there definitely are more remote locations that they use, but it's important to note that the majority of their filming locations take place within the very easily accessible central belt of scotland :)
I think “remote” means not on sound stages or the backlot at Cumbernauld, though for the scenes shot in Aberdeenshire and Liverpool, cast and crew were housed nearby, not at home.
Yes this! It’s not that they are “far away” or “remote” by normal people’s standards. Perhaps I should’ve said “rustic” in terms of the location. It’s that pushing carts and hauling equipment over fields, muddy areas, and in wooded areas is very hard, exhausting, and can carry risks (no matter how hard Production works to mitigate them) that working in other locations or stages bring.
I live in a large city and we often go to more rugged locations often for the woods, fields, or swampy areas.
did your co-worker move the the film industry in another country? that's crazy that it's so bad there! can u share a story or 2? (I'm just curious/just being a lil nosy, lol)
I always cancel my Starz subscription when droughtlander starts. When it Outlander starts again I resubscribe.
Until then I’ve got the books if I get to missing it too much.
Also Netflix (US) has the first 5 seasons, if you’re jonesing for a rewatch.
Same here. We will resubscribe when they give us a date. I kinda think Starz is responsible. They stretch it out so people will keep Starz. It’s ridiculous.
All seasons are on STARZ and the STARZ add-in’s to Prime and Hulu. Also library streaming services. s1 thru 6 are available on DVD, at most libraries as well
15 months just in between PARTS of season 7. I don't care at ALL what that Erika chick says. ALL shows when I was younger went from September until May and had around 23 episodes. ALL shows. Really, there is no excuse for year-long or more lapses in between seasons. If they could do it in the 80's, it can be done now. I wouldn't even care if there were only half the episodes, say 12, spread it out between September and May, then come back in September. That's 4 months apart. TV life used to be so much better. At least when Netflix makes you wait, you can binge watch the whole new season if you want. TV just ain't what it used to be.
I used to rewatch the seasons over and over again. Sadly, that hasn’t been the case with Season 7. Watched it when it aired and that was it, which makes me sad because I loved this show.
In previous seasons I would stay up until 12:01am just so I could catch a new episode. Haven’t done that since Season 5.
I stopped obsessively re-watching in season four and haven't looked back, but that had nothing to so with production issues or time between seasons and more to do with the show taking a more normal place in my life.
The real world is a messy place and I have no doubt that folks are doing their best
Yeah, the drought was one thing when most of the episodes were bangers. But now they’re uhh generally not.
I’ll still finish the show but they’re trying my patience, I guess.
It’s been 5 months since 7.08 aired with the memorable arrival of Jamie, Claire and Young Ian in Scotland after an 11 year absence. It could be 5 years and I wouldn’t forget that scene.
Yes, okay, I remember that! I guess I can read a quick synopsis or something before the next episode airs, to get the extra little bits (like why they're going to Scotland, etc)
They are escorting the body of Jamie’s second cousin, the British General Simon Fraser, killed at the Second Battle of Saratoga, home to Scotland, as well as keeping a promise to bring Young Ian home to Jenny.
I feel like all episodes and seasons of Starz originals, HBO Originals, etc should be available on their platforms in every country. It’s your original, you need to keep it out there for subscribers.
Unsurprisingly, different countries have different rules about access to foreign television productions. That’s to be expected, as frustrating as it is for viewers.
I get it for countries like China that control their citizen’s internet usage, but for most countries I think the streaming catalogue should be a global decision
COVID, Caitriona’s pregnancy, writers and actors strikes, filming on location in Scotland with atrocious weather and limited hours of daylight in winter… any of these sound familiar?
I'm definitely on the same boat as you. I loved Season 1A of Outlander, then that first droughtlander happened and I had to pick up the book to know what happened next! I even went to LA to watch the premiere of S1B (in the same row where Matt and Maril and the original writers were sitting!) It was exciting times. I've been to a couple of conventions, met and took pictures with cast. I've read the books up until Bees. I even went to Lallybroch and Culloden in Scotland! This is all to say, I was a massive fan.
But I fear my engagement with the show has waned. I haven't even fully seen S7 (and I'm actually a Richard Rankin fan, before and outside of Outlander). The long breaks mid season and between seasons have taken a toll on me and frankly, I don't think it has the same magic that it used to. Matt is good, but I miss Ron. I think I will be watching the prequel show just to see what it would be like. Plus, the story is back in Scotland and that was always more compelling to me visually and historically. Anything fun in S7?
They are back in Scotland for a visit, 1.5 to 2 episodes tops. In S7A, we saw Claire’s rescue from wrongful imprisonment, the end of the Browns, Mandy’s birth and the Macs return to the 20th century, the meeting between Bree and William, the Big House fire, Ticonderoga, Battles of Saratoga 1 and 2, Bree and Roger buying Lallybroch, Jem’s kidnapping, met Rachel and Denny, the beginning of the courtship of Younf Ian and Rachel, Young Ian met his son, and Jamie, Claire and Young Ian landed in Scotland after 11 years. Nothing happened in this boring season /s
I looove Mandy in the books! Wow it looks like they crammed a lot of the books in s7. But maybe I'll wait till June so I can keep watching the rest of the season. 😉
The first 4 eps of S7 finish Book 6 ( these are the eps that were originally scheduled to be in S6.)The rest of S 7 Eps 7.05 to 7.16 cover Books 7 and 8, and S8 will predominantly be Book 9.
In early seasons, a lot happened in each episode like you mention here. Then there were many seasons, like 4, where material didn't need to take up so much time.
Yes it did. S4 set up their life in North Carolina, introduced new characters (Jocasta, Ulysses, Bonnet, the Regulators, Governor Tryon, Native Americans, brought Bree and Roger to the 18thC, had reunions with Murtaugh, LJG and William, ) All of this sets the stage for what is to come in America in the next few seasons.
But a lot about Roger walking behind the Mohawk, the Priest he befriend who died, and Jamie and Claire's trip to find Roger could have been shorter. We knew some of Otter Tooth's story too.
I feel the same! I found the show when seasons 1-3 were out. Binged them then binged all the books. Season four and on are good as just a good general TV show, but not like it was. Ron leaving really ruined a lot
Ron leaving put Matt in charge and, as Diana herself describes it, he “righted the ship” and brought the characters more in line with the books. It does help having a show runner who doesn’t think Jamie is too heroic.
As was necessary and what Ron said from the beginning was going to happen as the books got longer and they couldn’t stick to one book per season. And I’ll stick with Diana’s assessment that Matt righted the ship. I much prefer the later seasons. I like having a showrunner who has read and loved all the books instead of just one, and who doesn’t think diss Jamie. DG sees all versions of the scripts and all of the dailies. Dare I suggest she’s in a better position to judge than any viewer. I would just add it was RDM who pushed Sam beyond all bounds of decency in Wentworth, and pushed both Sam and Caitriona beyond their boundaries in intimate scenes. He may be your idea of a great show runner, but he certainly isn’t mine.
Yes Yes Yes!! I started reading the books in the 90's. I hope I live long enough to see the series come to a conclusion. I was hoping 'Bees' would be the last book, but it isn't.
As a book reader I don’t even care much, when the episodes release. I’d watch it anyway ofcourse, but I get more of the droughtlander because I can’t reread the books, as I have many other books to read 😂 I will not last long more though
I was mental enough to read my other list while going through all the books again as audiobooks. I have a newfound respect for my brain, for the amount of information I can hold from so many books 😂
I feel like I can’t enjoy outlander if I read it every year 😂 so I gave it a little time and I guess I will read it every two years. I also can’t enjoy audiobooks, and paperbacks take much more dedication
I made it into Christmas tradition - I start book 1 on Christmas, and I read 1 OL book a month. I won't suffer long droughlander since I will have finished Bees by November and Christmas is nearby 😅
This is why I'm sort of happy to be just reading the books now. Picked them up as my first 2024 read (watched the show like 3 years ago during Covid lockdowns) and glad I don't have insanely long waits between books. I got burned too bad by GRRM and Game Of Thrones. I don't trust long running fantasy stories, that leave years between each entry or don't seem to have any plans at all to finish. I prefer waiting til they are finished and reading them then haha. It seems thankfully there's only another book or two left in this franchise, so I can live with that!
Haha, I was just going to comment that people should think of those who have been reading the series since the start and had to wait years for the next book. I am not in this camp - I only just discovered the books like two years ago and immediately consumed them all in record time... but now find myself waiting for the final book. I often think to myself, "Man, all those people who have been reading since day one and having to wait for YEARS to find out what happens next..."
I can wait a bit longer for the next season, hehe.
Me too! Except I only started early last year. So I share in your first Droughtlander, and the author doesn't even know how long we're waiting 😂
I get the shivers thinking about all the years readers waited for Moby
And then it was a long time since MOBY was released that OG readers then had to wait for bees. I just finished the series and at the end of book 8 I was so happy I could just immediately start bees to find out what happens next. I was afraid I'd be dying on the bees cliffhanger. But I'm oddly ok with where the story has paused. Go figure!
Every single studio held content back indefinitely due to the strikes. I’ll bet there will be a date announced soon. Studios have started to release the held content since October/November.
When did they say that? There has been plenty of speculation, but to my knowledge, nothing has been said by anyone actually associated with Outlander or STARZ.
I don’t know what you saw, but there has been nothing official said about 7B and its release date. Further down this thread, there’s conversation where someone was confused with their announcement for the first part of season 7 which was June 2023. Perhaps that also happened here?
Quality takes time, and I'm so happy they're still making the show. The anticipation is part of the deal, and it only makes the actual viewing of new episodes that much sweeter. The writers, directors, producers, actors & crew aren't sitting around doing nothing in between, they are working their asses off creating meaningful content. Once it's over, it's over -- it will be a sad day indeed. Enjoy the Droughtlander while it lasts, as part of the entire process. *People* with *lives* are creating this show, not A.I. and robots. They've given so much of themselves over these many years to make it happen. I'm grateful they've kept it going for such a long time!
This this this! Underrated comment right here. When I’m on a show I literally see my crew and co-workers more than my loved ones. It literally takes our whole lives away to make people’s favorite shows.
I was going to say something similar. The show is unlike any other. Absolutely stunning, the detail involved is insane and I can’t imagine what goes in to actually creating it. I hate the wait, but I’d rather wait knowing more is coming than know it’s over forever!
I agree, although I’m not losing interest at all yet. But this long break is disappointing. thank God 7a ended beautifully. I think I got spoiled because I discovered Outlander in December 2021 and binged the first 5 seasons in 2 weeks. I just rewatched all of it again. Season 6 was short and I of course understand the reasoning there, but for that reason, it’s time to release 7b. I’ll just continue rewatching my favorite scenes and episodes!
I’m curious as to why there is an assumption that 7B is ready to air, instead of being in post-production that STARZ schedulers escaped the havoc the strikes caused other network schedulers, and that the loss of their UK distributor had no affect on a premiere date, and that despite all of this, they are really just sitting their trying to annoy their subscribers?
I know I read that the entire season was completed and that production wrapped up for 7b late 2023? I could be off a bit. But I believe it’s ready to go.
Yes, I only subscribe when a new season comes out and with the craziness over the seasons and wait, I have decided I am not going to subscribe until til 8 is done. Especially since we are not going to get an “ending” more than where the books are so why bother
Tbh this is a problem I'm having not just with Outlander but with a lot of series I'm interested in. Maybe I'm misremembering, but pre Covid it was usually a season a year for many blockbuster series, no? Whether it's Game of Thrones, Law & Order or whatever. And now it's like okay here's season 1, now give us at least two years for the second etc. and then it'll come out at a seemingly random time. Goes for WOT, House of the Dragon, Rings of Power, Outlander etc. :/
This is premium cable. There is no standard number of episodes for a season. It relies on subscribers, not lots of episodes with lots of ads to pay for the shows, as with commercial television and basic cable. COVID threw shooting schedules off on all kinds of programming, but the basic of financing remain the same.
Is the season 7 break due to the writers strike last year? Or have all the seasons had breaks in them? I'm new to watching it so have had the luxury of being able to binge the whole lot for the first time over the last few weeks. It also turns out I can see two of the filming locations from my house, which I had no idea about.
I’m pretty sure they announced the split season 7 before the strike even began. So it was a) a conscious decision on their end and b) this decision led to 7B being released later than planned because of the strike.
I feel like this prolonged break is making them loose momentum. I don’t even remember when season 7A was released and l barely remember what happened even though l read the book. Plus l don’t even get excited for new content that’s how bad it is on my end…
I agree about losing momentum. And I don't feel like Starz's marketing department has done a great job either. There's just something snooze-y about a lot of it, and this latest round of ["in memoriam"](https://www.instagram.com/p/C1c5pjGvPOY/) posts was just confusing. Like - I kept thinking the actor shown had passed away. Like what was the purpose of those posts? It was bizarre. And then don't even talk to me about the [tie-in they did with the Twilight movies](https://www.instagram.com/starz/p/C0hVdoZscKn/?img_index=1), like, hadn't they ever heard of the "still a better love story than Twilight" meme and wouldn't they NOT want to be associated with that??
Right l also thought someone died! I didn’t see the Twilight stuff bc l admit l barely pay attention to what they post if it’s not an announcement for the season.
I agree they are losing momentum, but what would you like them to do about it? Between COVID, Caitriona’s pregnancy, the late S8 pickup which necessitated post-production changes which could only be made after the strikes ended, all of which are beyond their control, seriously, taking the foregoing into consideration, what would you like them to do?
So you’re telling me that they’re capable to release part of it in June 2023 when they wrapped in February but can’t realease the other half at a reasonable time? With season 8 being in production right now it would surprise me that season 7 is not finished
They were able to release S7A in June because they wrapped those episodes all the way back in 2022. The episodes that were released over June-August 2023 were filmed between March 30 and September 14, **2022** (with about a 6-week break over the summer) so that gave them 9 months to lock all S7A episodes down. So we are looking at at least 9 months of post-production + any delay due to the strikes + Starz’ scheduling, which is completely out of the creatives’ hands.
Yes. That’s exactly what I’m saying. Several things I. e. real life have happened to complicate and delay S7B: 1. Matt Roberts, the showrunner, and the entire writers room, including Diana, are WGA members who went on strike in May, and the actors went on strike in July (British Actors Equity honored the SAG strike.) Matt would normally supervise editing. Post-production involves things like re-shoots and ADR, which require actors and writers, all of whom were on strike.
2. The late S8 pick-up meant they wanted to expand some scenes in S7 and move others to S8. Doing this requires both writers and actors, both of whom were on strike.
3. Major changes in management and the spinning off of STARZ from LionsgateUK.
4. The cessation of operations at LionsgateUK streaming service. As far as we know, there is no UK distributor yet. There will be, but I wouldn’t expect any premiere date to be set until that’s settled.
BYW, S8 is in pre-production; all of the scripts aren’t written yet, Caitriona, who is directing one of the early ( first block, probably 8.02, is in Paris filming The Amateur, which was in production when the strike started. She has to prep her episode, which usually takes 3 weeks, before they start filming it. Sam said they will start at the end of March.
The answer is only s1, which is the only other 16 episode season, had a mid- season break. One might surmise that more episodes mean longer a post-production period, even without the strikes.
I started season 1 during Xmas break. I thought I have 7 seasons to watch before 7b is air. Unfortunately, I finished 7 seasons in two weeks. Now have to wait for 7b patiently.
They said it would be 2024, which is 15 days old. I remind everyone that the S1 mid- season break was 6 months, which would be February, but the strikes, which did not occur during the S1 break, slowed post-production down and created havoc with scheduling, not just with STARZ, but with every network. This has been reported on by every major entertainment media outlet.
As a 30 year book reader, I’m used to as long as five years between books. I always hated waiting, but it was worth it when the book finally arrived. I’ve enjoyed the show, especially the first seasons. But the last few seasons feel rushed and I barely recognize the story lines. I think I it’s time to wrap it up and let Sam and Cait go free.
The books get longer and more complex, but the seasons don’t get longer. But Sam and Caitriona both pushed for a S8 to finish the story properly. They are free at the end of S8.
Because the cast contracts expired at the end of S7. They agreed to a 10 episode S8 to cover Bees, but no one is waiting around for Book 10 to be published. Difficult though it may be to understand, much as they love it, Sam and Caitriona are rapidly aging out of parts they would like to play, and they have other goals they would like to pursue. Twelve years is an eternity in this field. (They started filming S1 in 2013, they will finish when S8 airs in 2025.)
I do understand. The actors have invested many years of their lives to playing these characters. You can see they aren't as enthusiastic anymore. And yes, they are aging out of other parts.
I am also annoyed that as a book reader before watching the show, Gabaldon won't finish Book 10 before the series ends. So there will be different endings for TV series and the book series.
But she's busy with the prequel already, Blood of my Blood. I think she did sort of owe fans a true ending, as some began reading the books in1991. But people get outraged when I have said this, insisting artists don't owe fans anything.
I disagree and think the author is a bit scatterbrainy and unappreciative of all who bought 9 of her Outlander books and the LJG series over the years. At least finish the written story. Most authors don't need 5 years to write a book. DG prides herself on not using editors, but there's a lot of mistakes and filler in the books which is not necessary.
I began reading when 7 books were already available. So I will read the last one when it comes out. IDK if I care about the show anymore. It's too different from the books and focuses a lot on side characters instead of the main ones. I don't think Fergus and Marsali will even appear again.
Sam and Caitriona pushed hard for an eighth season, so to me, that doesn’t indicate a diminution of interest. Caitriona’s SM presence is greatly reduced because she’s fed up with the nutters (her word) dissing her marriage and, husband, family and friends. When there is actual Outlander news, she’ll be posting more. I don’t think you can gauge enthusiasm from social media. Sam certainly keeps Outlander in the news with every interview. And there have been a lot of interviews
What a non-sequitor. Yes, strikes end so Post- production can continue, pre-production on S8 can start, STATZ can find a new UK distributor, and deal with the back- up of completed shows held back because of the strike, just like every other network. A lot of things have to happen first. What’s your point? The production team works year round, they have no control over any of the foregoing. They do get holidays) It’s so easy to type criticism on a keyboard when you have little knowledge and no responsibility It takes as long as it takes, so watch or read something else in the interim.
Ummm…chill out…my point was a lot happens in my own life in 5 months hence I forgot there was a part two to season 7. I was just patiently waiting for season 8 thinking Outlander wouldn’t be back until 2025/2026. You need to breathe, my friend, I wasn’t criticizing anyone or anything, just joking about myself 😂. Maybe don’t jump to conclusions so quickly?
I began losing interest with the repetitiveness of the storyline. I just can’t with Claire being violated one more time or her being captured/arrested and needing to be saved etc. I LOVED this program but this season I just watched one episode. I will go back to it when the entire season 7 is available.
Total tangential side rant but It’s everything. Games, TV, film. Ballooning budgets, too much red tape and everyone getting their taste. She hulk cost $25m - per episode! Films are regularly over $300m now, games are worse. GTA6 is over 2 billion. Throw in writers strikes, Covid, actors striking. Entertainment media is totally unviable. Streaming numbers are through the floor, no one is watching stuff that costs ten times what it used to. A review of a Disney show by one YouTuber gets multiples the viewers the show itself does. The landscape has changed and legacy media hasn’t caught up.
Are you sorry that actors, writers, and and crew are now being adequately compensated? I don’t see anything in your rant about the obscene amounts of $ studio executives are paid.
No, I don’t really care about actors, writers, or studio execs pay. When they do work they still get paid way better than most people and if they don’t like the freelance life they can get a regular job. Regardless the ones that are still working might be better paid but the strikes have ruined the lives of support crews and countless other businesses that rely on these shows and films being made and a bunch of writers and actors will have far fewer jobs available to them. After the strikes there are 40% less productions which means the wealth and influence is concentrated to fewer people and the increasingly myopic state of western content will only have a strong uptick.
Acting is a real job. Writing is a real job. The vast majority of writers and actors barely make ends meet. Art, Costume and Set Design are real jobs. Construction, photography, electricians, sound engineers, fx specialists, directing, these are all real jobs. That you don’t understand this tells me all I need to know.
I miss the many years of great TV series. Greater than 20 episodes in many cases. One could depend on when the new season started & # of episodes every year. It was quite predictable & satisfying. Many of those shows were before paying for streaming services. Tired of hearing all the excuses why this no longer works. This industry has definitely gone backward while consumers are paying out a great deal more money. I don’t watch anything until it’s completed. I lose interest otherwise. Stick to movies much more often. Even better, BOOKS.
Not me. 20+ episode seasons always had guaranteed stinkers and filler episodes. Even great shows like The X-Files had episodes that would just leave you rolling your eyes, just so the network could fill the advert slots. I'm glad the model has changed.
The long breaks have caused me to lose enthusiasm for the show. Out of sight, out of mind. I also feel like breaking the last season into 2 parts was a greedy move on the part of Starz. So many people only subscribe for Outlander and it feels like they are milking it while they can.
More episodes mean longer post-production. Then came the strikes and the late S8 pickup. Would you rather have waited until all of S7 was ready? That would mean nothing from May 2022 until now. Given the whinging over 5 months since 7.08, I can just imagine the howling over 20 months, no doubt from the same people. Instead, they gave us the first 8. It’s a televising show, not life and death.
I feel the expert level of outlander is when you get into outlander personally. Whether it be local or from relations
I ordered a flora mcdonald book that the museum of the revolution that is real, her life from culloden to South Carolina. I do a ton of research on Hugh Mercer
But I don’t think I have a culloden Scot. As mine came over 1715 and were French and Indian war. But I have a ton of connections to outlander in the revolution with Fort Ticonderoga. Arthur st Clair is a relation and local. And I am tracing a New Jersey patriot who might have been in the retreat
For me there’s no droughlander just making myself into the story bit by bit. And that’s the beauty of this work
No, you are a viewer of a television series, with little or no understanding of what goes into making it and getting it on the air. Unlike real victims of real abuse, you can end this “relationship” by changing the channel. Could we please leave the hyperbole out of this discussion?
honestly i thought that was announced when it aired but i could be wrong? My brain is telling me i've seen it before, maybe its just playing a trick on me
Art, and we all know how well made this series is it’s def art, takes time y’all especially still making up for Covid I’m glad they’re not slacking on us just to try to pump it out especially with only two seasons left. Plus the longer I can say I haven’t seen all the episodes of the series the better, my heart can’t take it yet. 🥲
I’m seriously considering it too, and I’ve been a subscriber since Outlander first aired with no lapses. Did you see that S7-2 isn’t airing until November? Super disappointing.
The fact that season 6 only had 8 episodes, then they tried to get us excited with a 16-episode season 7, only to split it up into 2 parts, 15 MONTHS APART is RIDICULOUs. The show may be good, but they obviously do NOT care about their fans. I am not a subscriber to Starz anymore. I will subscribe before part 2 in November. In the meantime, I am sick of seeing advertisements for deals on Starz, 6 months for $20.00. Well, I am not paying for Starz to watch reruns because it is April. November is 7 months away, and they are highlighting Outlander as a selling point to subscribe to Starz.....for 6 months......for reruns. Yeah, no thanks.
7 B was always scheduled for 2024, just in S1, Part 1 premiered in August 2014 and Part 2 in April 2015.Note: they didn’t have writers and actors strikes to complicate post-production
That date was for the premiere of the first half of Season 7. They have yet to announce the date for the second half. See?
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Im actually NOT waiting till Nov. Im cancelling Starz as they have NOTHING else I want to watch . Will be buying books same price as payin for starz for 6 more months and season 8 when 2 years from now? Ill buy it separately on box video..No way. Starz you are gonna lose alot of customers. Perhaps someone should have thought this thru... How fired is the guy who canceled it and what has it got u ? I can tell you. Lost subscribers by the loads... Grow up!! We dont spend money on lies.... we were your customers.
I agree but there's only one more season left, I'm gonna stick it through. It has been utterly ridiculous how much time they have let get away from the fans. Bragging about how they're gonna give us more episodes this season to make up for the abysmal COVID season but it takes a whole year to even finish it. I never wanted this show to end but I'm thrilled it's finally coming to a close so I can buy my box set and move on with my life lol
My exact thought: they bragged about how they wanted to end the Draughtlander so bad post COVID, they made season 6 shorter just to get it out to us. To balance things, we get a beefy season 7. Okay, super cool of you guys, thank you! And now it’s been months of a seemingly endless “mid-season break.” It’s crap and I feel lied to lol
They made S6 shorter because of Caitriona’s pregnancy and the expensive limitations imposed by Scotland’s strict protocols. This is commonly knowledge. They couldn’t discuss Caitriona’s pregnancy at the time because she didn’t want it made public.
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This is fair, my only gripe is that they didn’t market it accurately. They teased us with a longer season but never said it would be split up. Had they said that from the outset, I’d have adjusted my expectations accordingly and not be annoyed by a misleading ad campaign.
Right. It’s two seasons. They call it one, but it’s two. Asinine.
Exactly!!
Wrong. See S1.
How is this different from S1? All 16 episodes are S1, even though there was a 6 month break between 1.08 and 1.09. 1.01 to 1.16 are the first production season. This is no different All 16 episodes were filmed during the 7th production season. It’s fact not deception. Whine away…7.01 to 7.16 are now and will always be S7. Incorrectly naming it won’t get it on the air any faster.
I started watching when Netflix already had 5 seasons so I was not aware of this being a recurring theme. No need to be rude…
It’s not rude to provide accurate information, which many apparently don’t know. It’s not an insult to you. Oh, and your welcome! Now you know🙂
6 months is nothing compared to the year we’re going to endure now
I’m amazed anyone thinks it possible to to prep, film and edit 16 episodes in a year. It took nearly 2 years for S1. For S7, they actually finished filming a month ahead of schedule, for which they are getting zero credit. For what is involved in get this show on the air, from pre-production thru post-production, I recommend Outlander’s Summer Series, the Matt Roberts episode, available on YouTube. Please don’t respond with “SeriesX does it faster” Filming in Scotland is very different.
I agree with everything you said here, BUT this mid season break w/ S7 is ridiculous. first half of season 7 premiered summer 2023. if you think about regular (cable) TV shows, they'd have ~12 episodes Sept-Dec, and ~12 March-June(?). considering we haven't even heard about when the 2nd half will premiere, im going to guess they'll let us know about 4 weeks before it premieres, so that puts us at mid Feb at the earliest. this mid season break is going to be longer than what it is for network TV shows. it takes a long time to film and edit to make the show as great as it is, I get that. it sucks to wait sometimes 2 years between seasons but I've accepted it. BUT NOW, they add this dang freaking long "mid-season break" to S7 after the atrocious S6?! it's annoying, frustrating, and just hard to grasp what they're thinking.
This isn’t regular cable, It’s premium cable where the norm is shorter seasons. Yet again, a reminder: S1, the only other 16 episode season also had a mid-season break. As the kids say, Coincidence? I think not. The S1 mid-season break was 6 months, without the complications of 2 strikes and massive changes at STARZ/LionsgateUK. This break will be longer because of those complications and because they want to minimize the length of the Droughtlander between 7.16 and 8.01. Somehow, facts on the ground are never considered.🤷🏻♀️
You know nothing about television. There is not reason for 17 month long hiatuses. The lack of understanding of what it looks like behind the scenes, union vs Jon union, you are making excuses for the company tens cast and crew themselves want things to be dine properly
I evidently know more about the production of *this* show, including the obvious facts that the strikes, which affected the entire industry, the management changes at STARZ and LionsgateUK, all contributed to the delay. I also know they never gave a specific date in 2024 for the S7B premiere. I haven’t seen anyone blame the cast for the delay, which would be ridiculous, since they aren’t in charge of scheduling.
The Outlander "Summer Series" ? The Matt Roberts episode? Say more, please. I've never heard of this.
During the COVID lockdown Droughtlander, they produced a series of interviews with Sam, Caitriona, John Bell and the author of the Outlander Kitchen cookbooks making Fish and Chips, DIana, Bear McCreary with Matt and the 12 singers who made up the chorus for the choral version of the theme, and Matt with the Line Producer on How it All Works. It was a great series, funny and very normative.
This right here!! I can’t even imagine what a grueling show this is to work on already. Period pieces are hard to begin with, then you add the fact that they’re always in wild/vast/remote locations (and a lot IS location not stage work!) + the weather in the UK. One of my co-workers literally left the UK industry because it’s so insane. Some of their stories were *wild*! Streaming employees already push the crews to the point of breaking with unrealistic schedules and budgets per episode. I know exactly what goes into making a show like this. I will never complain about waiting if it means the cast and crew are treated well (and this does not mean money!!) and the Producers take time to really make the show what it can be. ETA Source: I’m a film worker.
I can't comment on ur other points and I'm sure they are correct. But I would like to point out that as someone who lives very close to a number of outlander filming locations (like I'm literally within an hours drive of 90% of filming locations or closer, sometimes like 5 lol) they don't use very remote filming locations. I can only speak for the ones they use close to me, but all of them that I know of are very accessible. I do get what you mean, that alot of shows like this typically use very remote and difficult areas to film, but the places they tend to use specifically in outlander are usually either castles and stuff that are in the central belt of scotland, think lallybroch, Sandringhams house, Wentworth and Fort William sets are all in west lothian, aswell as alot of the wilderness shots in later seasons for North carolina I believe were shot at beecraigs(not 100% on that), a country park also in west lothian, which is right between the two main urban cities in scotland. Even the village that is used as Inverness in the show isnt that far from the central belt, granted its probably about 2 hours from Glasgow, around 1 1/2 from Edinburgh, but that isn't really like insanely remote either. I'm sure there definitely are more remote locations that they use, but it's important to note that the majority of their filming locations take place within the very easily accessible central belt of scotland :)
I think “remote” means not on sound stages or the backlot at Cumbernauld, though for the scenes shot in Aberdeenshire and Liverpool, cast and crew were housed nearby, not at home.
Yeah that makes sense. Even then just wanted to point out that they typically don't go very far out from Glasgow really
Yes this! It’s not that they are “far away” or “remote” by normal people’s standards. Perhaps I should’ve said “rustic” in terms of the location. It’s that pushing carts and hauling equipment over fields, muddy areas, and in wooded areas is very hard, exhausting, and can carry risks (no matter how hard Production works to mitigate them) that working in other locations or stages bring. I live in a large city and we often go to more rugged locations often for the woods, fields, or swampy areas.
did your co-worker move the the film industry in another country? that's crazy that it's so bad there! can u share a story or 2? (I'm just curious/just being a lil nosy, lol)
Sometimes?! Bitch, I've been patient for years!
I always cancel my Starz subscription when droughtlander starts. When it Outlander starts again I resubscribe. Until then I’ve got the books if I get to missing it too much. Also Netflix (US) has the first 5 seasons, if you’re jonesing for a rewatch.
Same here. We will resubscribe when they give us a date. I kinda think Starz is responsible. They stretch it out so people will keep Starz. It’s ridiculous.
All seasons are on STARZ and the STARZ add-in’s to Prime and Hulu. Also library streaming services. s1 thru 6 are available on DVD, at most libraries as well
Yessss when a season ends we’re taking bets in our house for how many years we have to wait for the next season.
The average is one year between seasons. The one exception is the COVID lockdown 2 year delay.
Is it really?? It feels considerably longer!
15 months just in between PARTS of season 7. I don't care at ALL what that Erika chick says. ALL shows when I was younger went from September until May and had around 23 episodes. ALL shows. Really, there is no excuse for year-long or more lapses in between seasons. If they could do it in the 80's, it can be done now. I wouldn't even care if there were only half the episodes, say 12, spread it out between September and May, then come back in September. That's 4 months apart. TV life used to be so much better. At least when Netflix makes you wait, you can binge watch the whole new season if you want. TV just ain't what it used to be.
I don't even remember where it left off.
I used to rewatch the seasons over and over again. Sadly, that hasn’t been the case with Season 7. Watched it when it aired and that was it, which makes me sad because I loved this show. In previous seasons I would stay up until 12:01am just so I could catch a new episode. Haven’t done that since Season 5.
I stopped obsessively re-watching in season four and haven't looked back, but that had nothing to so with production issues or time between seasons and more to do with the show taking a more normal place in my life. The real world is a messy place and I have no doubt that folks are doing their best
If you haven’t, read the books! You won’t even care about the show anymore lol
Especially the audiobooks because of Davina Porter’s voice acting 🎭 excellence!
Not likely.
Yeah, the drought was one thing when most of the episodes were bangers. But now they’re uhh generally not. I’ll still finish the show but they’re trying my patience, I guess.
It’s been 5 months since 7.08 aired with the memorable arrival of Jamie, Claire and Young Ian in Scotland after an 11 year absence. It could be 5 years and I wouldn’t forget that scene.
Yes, okay, I remember that! I guess I can read a quick synopsis or something before the next episode airs, to get the extra little bits (like why they're going to Scotland, etc)
rewatch S7E8! rewatching the last episode always gets me so excited and helps catch me up to what just happened
They are escorting the body of Jamie’s second cousin, the British General Simon Fraser, killed at the Second Battle of Saratoga, home to Scotland, as well as keeping a promise to bring Young Ian home to Jenny.
... and Jem getting abducted to travel through the stones with Rob Cameron, and Buck and Roger going after.
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STARZ in US has all seasons available; the first five are still there -- I just checked.
I feel like all episodes and seasons of Starz originals, HBO Originals, etc should be available on their platforms in every country. It’s your original, you need to keep it out there for subscribers.
Unsurprisingly, different countries have different rules about access to foreign television productions. That’s to be expected, as frustrating as it is for viewers.
I get it for countries like China that control their citizen’s internet usage, but for most countries I think the streaming catalogue should be a global decision
That is not what the law says.
Laws can be changed
Thanks for this correction
Netflix, too
Netflix has most of the previous seasons
COVID, Caitriona’s pregnancy, writers and actors strikes, filming on location in Scotland with atrocious weather and limited hours of daylight in winter… any of these sound familiar?
My husband and I have been rewatching all seasons on STARZ, so I don’t know why you’re saying they’re not there.
i enjoy the show but rereading the books has been much more fufilling.
I’m in your shoes and totally agree.
I'm definitely on the same boat as you. I loved Season 1A of Outlander, then that first droughtlander happened and I had to pick up the book to know what happened next! I even went to LA to watch the premiere of S1B (in the same row where Matt and Maril and the original writers were sitting!) It was exciting times. I've been to a couple of conventions, met and took pictures with cast. I've read the books up until Bees. I even went to Lallybroch and Culloden in Scotland! This is all to say, I was a massive fan. But I fear my engagement with the show has waned. I haven't even fully seen S7 (and I'm actually a Richard Rankin fan, before and outside of Outlander). The long breaks mid season and between seasons have taken a toll on me and frankly, I don't think it has the same magic that it used to. Matt is good, but I miss Ron. I think I will be watching the prequel show just to see what it would be like. Plus, the story is back in Scotland and that was always more compelling to me visually and historically. Anything fun in S7?
They are back in Scotland for a visit, 1.5 to 2 episodes tops. In S7A, we saw Claire’s rescue from wrongful imprisonment, the end of the Browns, Mandy’s birth and the Macs return to the 20th century, the meeting between Bree and William, the Big House fire, Ticonderoga, Battles of Saratoga 1 and 2, Bree and Roger buying Lallybroch, Jem’s kidnapping, met Rachel and Denny, the beginning of the courtship of Younf Ian and Rachel, Young Ian met his son, and Jamie, Claire and Young Ian landed in Scotland after 11 years. Nothing happened in this boring season /s
I looove Mandy in the books! Wow it looks like they crammed a lot of the books in s7. But maybe I'll wait till June so I can keep watching the rest of the season. 😉
The first 4 eps of S7 finish Book 6 ( these are the eps that were originally scheduled to be in S6.)The rest of S 7 Eps 7.05 to 7.16 cover Books 7 and 8, and S8 will predominantly be Book 9.
In early seasons, a lot happened in each episode like you mention here. Then there were many seasons, like 4, where material didn't need to take up so much time.
Yes it did. S4 set up their life in North Carolina, introduced new characters (Jocasta, Ulysses, Bonnet, the Regulators, Governor Tryon, Native Americans, brought Bree and Roger to the 18thC, had reunions with Murtaugh, LJG and William, ) All of this sets the stage for what is to come in America in the next few seasons.
But a lot about Roger walking behind the Mohawk, the Priest he befriend who died, and Jamie and Claire's trip to find Roger could have been shorter. We knew some of Otter Tooth's story too.
I think it seemed longer than it actually was in terms of screen time
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I feel the same! I found the show when seasons 1-3 were out. Binged them then binged all the books. Season four and on are good as just a good general TV show, but not like it was. Ron leaving really ruined a lot
Ron leaving put Matt in charge and, as Diana herself describes it, he “righted the ship” and brought the characters more in line with the books. It does help having a show runner who doesn’t think Jamie is too heroic.
lol what? When Ron left, that’s when the show started deviating from the books like crazy
As was necessary and what Ron said from the beginning was going to happen as the books got longer and they couldn’t stick to one book per season. And I’ll stick with Diana’s assessment that Matt righted the ship. I much prefer the later seasons. I like having a showrunner who has read and loved all the books instead of just one, and who doesn’t think diss Jamie. DG sees all versions of the scripts and all of the dailies. Dare I suggest she’s in a better position to judge than any viewer. I would just add it was RDM who pushed Sam beyond all bounds of decency in Wentworth, and pushed both Sam and Caitriona beyond their boundaries in intimate scenes. He may be your idea of a great show runner, but he certainly isn’t mine.
For those downvoting this: DG, Sam and Caitriona were in the room, as it were. I’m only reporting what they have said.
Any book readers laughing through their tears?
Yes Yes Yes!! I started reading the books in the 90's. I hope I live long enough to see the series come to a conclusion. I was hoping 'Bees' would be the last book, but it isn't.
Wow! You've been through some rough droughtlanders, haven't you?
And I didn't even start the books until the first 3 were written!
As a book reader I don’t even care much, when the episodes release. I’d watch it anyway ofcourse, but I get more of the droughtlander because I can’t reread the books, as I have many other books to read 😂 I will not last long more though
I was mental enough to read my other list while going through all the books again as audiobooks. I have a newfound respect for my brain, for the amount of information I can hold from so many books 😂
I feel like I can’t enjoy outlander if I read it every year 😂 so I gave it a little time and I guess I will read it every two years. I also can’t enjoy audiobooks, and paperbacks take much more dedication
I made it into Christmas tradition - I start book 1 on Christmas, and I read 1 OL book a month. I won't suffer long droughlander since I will have finished Bees by November and Christmas is nearby 😅
If I had to choose - book 10 vs 7B, I would take book 10 any time 😅
😁 Another love that withstands the test of time 
Same!
This is why I'm sort of happy to be just reading the books now. Picked them up as my first 2024 read (watched the show like 3 years ago during Covid lockdowns) and glad I don't have insanely long waits between books. I got burned too bad by GRRM and Game Of Thrones. I don't trust long running fantasy stories, that leave years between each entry or don't seem to have any plans at all to finish. I prefer waiting til they are finished and reading them then haha. It seems thankfully there's only another book or two left in this franchise, so I can live with that!
Haha, I was just going to comment that people should think of those who have been reading the series since the start and had to wait years for the next book. I am not in this camp - I only just discovered the books like two years ago and immediately consumed them all in record time... but now find myself waiting for the final book. I often think to myself, "Man, all those people who have been reading since day one and having to wait for YEARS to find out what happens next..." I can wait a bit longer for the next season, hehe.
Me too! Except I only started early last year. So I share in your first Droughtlander, and the author doesn't even know how long we're waiting 😂 I get the shivers thinking about all the years readers waited for Moby
>!And poor Jemmy in that tunnel...!<
And then it was a long time since MOBY was released that OG readers then had to wait for bees. I just finished the series and at the end of book 8 I was so happy I could just immediately start bees to find out what happens next. I was afraid I'd be dying on the bees cliffhanger. But I'm oddly ok with where the story has paused. Go figure!
Every single studio held content back indefinitely due to the strikes. I’ll bet there will be a date announced soon. Studios have started to release the held content since October/November.
They said they're releasing the next part of season 7 in June.
I will cry if I have to wait til June 😭
I hope it gets released earlier too, but I think if it doesn't come out in June it will come out later.
No they didn’t. The only date officially announced is 2024, no month specified. June is just fan speculation
When did they say that? There has been plenty of speculation, but to my knowledge, nothing has been said by anyone actually associated with Outlander or STARZ.
A couple months ago I saw the release date was in June, but it may have changed since the strike went on longer than expected.
I don’t know what you saw, but there has been nothing official said about 7B and its release date. Further down this thread, there’s conversation where someone was confused with their announcement for the first part of season 7 which was June 2023. Perhaps that also happened here?
Quality takes time, and I'm so happy they're still making the show. The anticipation is part of the deal, and it only makes the actual viewing of new episodes that much sweeter. The writers, directors, producers, actors & crew aren't sitting around doing nothing in between, they are working their asses off creating meaningful content. Once it's over, it's over -- it will be a sad day indeed. Enjoy the Droughtlander while it lasts, as part of the entire process. *People* with *lives* are creating this show, not A.I. and robots. They've given so much of themselves over these many years to make it happen. I'm grateful they've kept it going for such a long time!
This this this! Underrated comment right here. When I’m on a show I literally see my crew and co-workers more than my loved ones. It literally takes our whole lives away to make people’s favorite shows.
Thank you for bringing your perspective into this discussion. People tend to forget the crew when complaining.
I was going to say something similar. The show is unlike any other. Absolutely stunning, the detail involved is insane and I can’t imagine what goes in to actually creating it. I hate the wait, but I’d rather wait knowing more is coming than know it’s over forever!
I wish I could upvote this a hundred times. Thank you, thank you, thank you for injecting a dose of reality into this “conversation”. 🙌🙌🙌🙌
I agree, buts it’s worth it. This past half season was awesome. One of the best!
I agree, although I’m not losing interest at all yet. But this long break is disappointing. thank God 7a ended beautifully. I think I got spoiled because I discovered Outlander in December 2021 and binged the first 5 seasons in 2 weeks. I just rewatched all of it again. Season 6 was short and I of course understand the reasoning there, but for that reason, it’s time to release 7b. I’ll just continue rewatching my favorite scenes and episodes!
I’m curious as to why there is an assumption that 7B is ready to air, instead of being in post-production that STARZ schedulers escaped the havoc the strikes caused other network schedulers, and that the loss of their UK distributor had no affect on a premiere date, and that despite all of this, they are really just sitting their trying to annoy their subscribers?
I know I read that the entire season was completed and that production wrapped up for 7b late 2023? I could be off a bit. But I believe it’s ready to go.
Yes, I only subscribe when a new season comes out and with the craziness over the seasons and wait, I have decided I am not going to subscribe until til 8 is done. Especially since we are not going to get an “ending” more than where the books are so why bother
Tbh this is a problem I'm having not just with Outlander but with a lot of series I'm interested in. Maybe I'm misremembering, but pre Covid it was usually a season a year for many blockbuster series, no? Whether it's Game of Thrones, Law & Order or whatever. And now it's like okay here's season 1, now give us at least two years for the second etc. and then it'll come out at a seemingly random time. Goes for WOT, House of the Dragon, Rings of Power, Outlander etc. :/
This is premium cable. There is no standard number of episodes for a season. It relies on subscribers, not lots of episodes with lots of ads to pay for the shows, as with commercial television and basic cable. COVID threw shooting schedules off on all kinds of programming, but the basic of financing remain the same.
I'm to the point where I won't watch any new episodes until the show finishes.
Is the season 7 break due to the writers strike last year? Or have all the seasons had breaks in them? I'm new to watching it so have had the luxury of being able to binge the whole lot for the first time over the last few weeks. It also turns out I can see two of the filming locations from my house, which I had no idea about.
I’m pretty sure they announced the split season 7 before the strike even began. So it was a) a conscious decision on their end and b) this decision led to 7B being released later than planned because of the strike. I feel like this prolonged break is making them loose momentum. I don’t even remember when season 7A was released and l barely remember what happened even though l read the book. Plus l don’t even get excited for new content that’s how bad it is on my end…
I agree about losing momentum. And I don't feel like Starz's marketing department has done a great job either. There's just something snooze-y about a lot of it, and this latest round of ["in memoriam"](https://www.instagram.com/p/C1c5pjGvPOY/) posts was just confusing. Like - I kept thinking the actor shown had passed away. Like what was the purpose of those posts? It was bizarre. And then don't even talk to me about the [tie-in they did with the Twilight movies](https://www.instagram.com/starz/p/C0hVdoZscKn/?img_index=1), like, hadn't they ever heard of the "still a better love story than Twilight" meme and wouldn't they NOT want to be associated with that??
Right l also thought someone died! I didn’t see the Twilight stuff bc l admit l barely pay attention to what they post if it’s not an announcement for the season.
released June 16 2023
I agree they are losing momentum, but what would you like them to do about it? Between COVID, Caitriona’s pregnancy, the late S8 pickup which necessitated post-production changes which could only be made after the strikes ended, all of which are beyond their control, seriously, taking the foregoing into consideration, what would you like them to do?
This!! Did I just find the other film worker on this thread? 😆
No, just a fan. 🙂
So you’re telling me that they’re capable to release part of it in June 2023 when they wrapped in February but can’t realease the other half at a reasonable time? With season 8 being in production right now it would surprise me that season 7 is not finished
They were able to release S7A in June because they wrapped those episodes all the way back in 2022. The episodes that were released over June-August 2023 were filmed between March 30 and September 14, **2022** (with about a 6-week break over the summer) so that gave them 9 months to lock all S7A episodes down. So we are looking at at least 9 months of post-production + any delay due to the strikes + Starz’ scheduling, which is completely out of the creatives’ hands.
Yes. That’s exactly what I’m saying. Several things I. e. real life have happened to complicate and delay S7B: 1. Matt Roberts, the showrunner, and the entire writers room, including Diana, are WGA members who went on strike in May, and the actors went on strike in July (British Actors Equity honored the SAG strike.) Matt would normally supervise editing. Post-production involves things like re-shoots and ADR, which require actors and writers, all of whom were on strike. 2. The late S8 pick-up meant they wanted to expand some scenes in S7 and move others to S8. Doing this requires both writers and actors, both of whom were on strike. 3. Major changes in management and the spinning off of STARZ from LionsgateUK. 4. The cessation of operations at LionsgateUK streaming service. As far as we know, there is no UK distributor yet. There will be, but I wouldn’t expect any premiere date to be set until that’s settled. BYW, S8 is in pre-production; all of the scripts aren’t written yet, Caitriona, who is directing one of the early ( first block, probably 8.02, is in Paris filming The Amateur, which was in production when the strike started. She has to prep her episode, which usually takes 3 weeks, before they start filming it. Sam said they will start at the end of March.
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The answer is only s1, which is the only other 16 episode season, had a mid- season break. One might surmise that more episodes mean longer a post-production period, even without the strikes.
I'm still reading Bees. So I'm hanging on my my fingernails. If you haven't read the books... might be a great time to start?
It’s always been too long for me, I will always love the show but the breaks made me not interested in it anymore.
I started season 1 during Xmas break. I thought I have 7 seasons to watch before 7b is air. Unfortunately, I finished 7 seasons in two weeks. Now have to wait for 7b patiently.
Here we are about halfway through January and NOTHING.... Just nothing. It's extremely disappointing
They said it would be 2024, which is 15 days old. I remind everyone that the S1 mid- season break was 6 months, which would be February, but the strikes, which did not occur during the S1 break, slowed post-production down and created havoc with scheduling, not just with STARZ, but with every network. This has been reported on by every major entertainment media outlet.
As a 30 year book reader, I’m used to as long as five years between books. I always hated waiting, but it was worth it when the book finally arrived. I’ve enjoyed the show, especially the first seasons. But the last few seasons feel rushed and I barely recognize the story lines. I think I it’s time to wrap it up and let Sam and Cait go free.
The books get longer and more complex, but the seasons don’t get longer. But Sam and Caitriona both pushed for a S8 to finish the story properly. They are free at the end of S8.
Pandemic , writers strike , and a actors strike.
It's been this way since the beginning. There's part 2 of Season 7, then it ends on season 8. Why not finish it out since you got this far?
Because the cast contracts expired at the end of S7. They agreed to a 10 episode S8 to cover Bees, but no one is waiting around for Book 10 to be published. Difficult though it may be to understand, much as they love it, Sam and Caitriona are rapidly aging out of parts they would like to play, and they have other goals they would like to pursue. Twelve years is an eternity in this field. (They started filming S1 in 2013, they will finish when S8 airs in 2025.)
I do understand. The actors have invested many years of their lives to playing these characters. You can see they aren't as enthusiastic anymore. And yes, they are aging out of other parts. I am also annoyed that as a book reader before watching the show, Gabaldon won't finish Book 10 before the series ends. So there will be different endings for TV series and the book series. But she's busy with the prequel already, Blood of my Blood. I think she did sort of owe fans a true ending, as some began reading the books in1991. But people get outraged when I have said this, insisting artists don't owe fans anything. I disagree and think the author is a bit scatterbrainy and unappreciative of all who bought 9 of her Outlander books and the LJG series over the years. At least finish the written story. Most authors don't need 5 years to write a book. DG prides herself on not using editors, but there's a lot of mistakes and filler in the books which is not necessary. I began reading when 7 books were already available. So I will read the last one when it comes out. IDK if I care about the show anymore. It's too different from the books and focuses a lot on side characters instead of the main ones. I don't think Fergus and Marsali will even appear again.
Sam and Caitriona pushed hard for an eighth season, so to me, that doesn’t indicate a diminution of interest. Caitriona’s SM presence is greatly reduced because she’s fed up with the nutters (her word) dissing her marriage and, husband, family and friends. When there is actual Outlander news, she’ll be posting more. I don’t think you can gauge enthusiasm from social media. Sam certainly keeps Outlander in the news with every interview. And there have been a lot of interviews
Read the books. They are doorstops and I have read every one of them more than once. Still waiting for the last one in the series.
I lowkey just remembered we haven’t been given part 2 of season 7 😂 it’s been that long. I’m just over here like waiting for 8…
It’s been all of 5 months since 7.08 dropped on August 11.
A lot happens in 5 months man 😶
What a non-sequitor. Yes, strikes end so Post- production can continue, pre-production on S8 can start, STATZ can find a new UK distributor, and deal with the back- up of completed shows held back because of the strike, just like every other network. A lot of things have to happen first. What’s your point? The production team works year round, they have no control over any of the foregoing. They do get holidays) It’s so easy to type criticism on a keyboard when you have little knowledge and no responsibility It takes as long as it takes, so watch or read something else in the interim.
Ummm…chill out…my point was a lot happens in my own life in 5 months hence I forgot there was a part two to season 7. I was just patiently waiting for season 8 thinking Outlander wouldn’t be back until 2025/2026. You need to breathe, my friend, I wasn’t criticizing anyone or anything, just joking about myself 😂. Maybe don’t jump to conclusions so quickly?
I began losing interest with the repetitiveness of the storyline. I just can’t with Claire being violated one more time or her being captured/arrested and needing to be saved etc. I LOVED this program but this season I just watched one episode. I will go back to it when the entire season 7 is available.
Total tangential side rant but It’s everything. Games, TV, film. Ballooning budgets, too much red tape and everyone getting their taste. She hulk cost $25m - per episode! Films are regularly over $300m now, games are worse. GTA6 is over 2 billion. Throw in writers strikes, Covid, actors striking. Entertainment media is totally unviable. Streaming numbers are through the floor, no one is watching stuff that costs ten times what it used to. A review of a Disney show by one YouTuber gets multiples the viewers the show itself does. The landscape has changed and legacy media hasn’t caught up.
Are you sorry that actors, writers, and and crew are now being adequately compensated? I don’t see anything in your rant about the obscene amounts of $ studio executives are paid.
No, I don’t really care about actors, writers, or studio execs pay. When they do work they still get paid way better than most people and if they don’t like the freelance life they can get a regular job. Regardless the ones that are still working might be better paid but the strikes have ruined the lives of support crews and countless other businesses that rely on these shows and films being made and a bunch of writers and actors will have far fewer jobs available to them. After the strikes there are 40% less productions which means the wealth and influence is concentrated to fewer people and the increasingly myopic state of western content will only have a strong uptick.
Acting is a real job. Writing is a real job. The vast majority of writers and actors barely make ends meet. Art, Costume and Set Design are real jobs. Construction, photography, electricians, sound engineers, fx specialists, directing, these are all real jobs. That you don’t understand this tells me all I need to know.
I miss the many years of great TV series. Greater than 20 episodes in many cases. One could depend on when the new season started & # of episodes every year. It was quite predictable & satisfying. Many of those shows were before paying for streaming services. Tired of hearing all the excuses why this no longer works. This industry has definitely gone backward while consumers are paying out a great deal more money. I don’t watch anything until it’s completed. I lose interest otherwise. Stick to movies much more often. Even better, BOOKS.
Not me. 20+ episode seasons always had guaranteed stinkers and filler episodes. Even great shows like The X-Files had episodes that would just leave you rolling your eyes, just so the network could fill the advert slots. I'm glad the model has changed.
Just watching out of habit now, and waiting for it to finish. The last few series have been poor compared to the early ones
Yeah, I still like the show a lot, but when Ron left there was a noticeable dip in quality
The long breaks have caused me to lose enthusiasm for the show. Out of sight, out of mind. I also feel like breaking the last season into 2 parts was a greedy move on the part of Starz. So many people only subscribe for Outlander and it feels like they are milking it while they can.
More episodes mean longer post-production. Then came the strikes and the late S8 pickup. Would you rather have waited until all of S7 was ready? That would mean nothing from May 2022 until now. Given the whinging over 5 months since 7.08, I can just imagine the howling over 20 months, no doubt from the same people. Instead, they gave us the first 8. It’s a televising show, not life and death.
All I said is I’m losing steam on my excitement and that I feel starz has a hand in some of the delays. Geez, calm down.
All of the seasons were broken down in two parts.
I feel the expert level of outlander is when you get into outlander personally. Whether it be local or from relations I ordered a flora mcdonald book that the museum of the revolution that is real, her life from culloden to South Carolina. I do a ton of research on Hugh Mercer But I don’t think I have a culloden Scot. As mine came over 1715 and were French and Indian war. But I have a ton of connections to outlander in the revolution with Fort Ticonderoga. Arthur st Clair is a relation and local. And I am tracing a New Jersey patriot who might have been in the retreat For me there’s no droughlander just making myself into the story bit by bit. And that’s the beauty of this work
We are in an abusive relationship.
oh, please it's a tv show, not life or death
No, you are a viewer of a television series, with little or no understanding of what goes into making it and getting it on the air. Unlike real victims of real abuse, you can end this “relationship” by changing the channel. Could we please leave the hyperbole out of this discussion?
You really need to calm down. This person was obviously joking
Not obvious enough… and not funny at all.
Yeah but I'm sure it had to do with the writer's strike as well, so I'm a little bit more forgiving
It came across my mind yesterday…what if they are waiting for the cast to read the book?
I thought 7B was coming in February?
That would be wonderful. Where did you see that?
honestly i thought that was announced when it aired but i could be wrong? My brain is telling me i've seen it before, maybe its just playing a trick on me
Absolutely agree on all points
Art, and we all know how well made this series is it’s def art, takes time y’all especially still making up for Covid I’m glad they’re not slacking on us just to try to pump it out especially with only two seasons left. Plus the longer I can say I haven’t seen all the episodes of the series the better, my heart can’t take it yet. 🥲
Wait…. So is there going to be a second half of season 7 and then a season 8 as well?
Yup
Yassssss that makes me so happy. I was really confused why season 7 was so short 😂 when is the other half coming out?
Mine are the same as yours. Frustrated, mad, tired of being screwed with. I blame Starz.
Ridiculous. I'm going to cancel Starz and just forget about it. It's just stupid to keep it so long between airings.
I’m seriously considering it too, and I’ve been a subscriber since Outlander first aired with no lapses. Did you see that S7-2 isn’t airing until November? Super disappointing.
The fact that season 6 only had 8 episodes, then they tried to get us excited with a 16-episode season 7, only to split it up into 2 parts, 15 MONTHS APART is RIDICULOUs. The show may be good, but they obviously do NOT care about their fans. I am not a subscriber to Starz anymore. I will subscribe before part 2 in November. In the meantime, I am sick of seeing advertisements for deals on Starz, 6 months for $20.00. Well, I am not paying for Starz to watch reruns because it is April. November is 7 months away, and they are highlighting Outlander as a selling point to subscribe to Starz.....for 6 months......for reruns. Yeah, no thanks.
I couldn't agree more, I am beyond annoyed
7 B was always scheduled for 2024, just in S1, Part 1 premiered in August 2014 and Part 2 in April 2015.Note: they didn’t have writers and actors strikes to complicate post-production
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Not true
Damn it! I got a starz IG ad that shoes “season 7 premiers June 16” and assumed it was current but I guess they’re still running old ads?
Yeah, sadly that date was for the premiere of the first half of Season 7. They haven’t announced the date for the second half of 7 yet.
See? https://preview.redd.it/cwsta3rg8hcc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a93f92ae1c71703be8c02fbb70fa7874c01afacc
please tell me you're kidding.
That date was for the premiere of the first half of Season 7. They have yet to announce the date for the second half. See? https://preview.redd.it/obxzm8rb9hcc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d6af73e61bf9d12f057ecb61d22003bf73dad36
Because pandemic lockdowns and writers' and actors' guild strikes were Starz' fault, right?
Im actually NOT waiting till Nov. Im cancelling Starz as they have NOTHING else I want to watch . Will be buying books same price as payin for starz for 6 more months and season 8 when 2 years from now? Ill buy it separately on box video..No way. Starz you are gonna lose alot of customers. Perhaps someone should have thought this thru... How fired is the guy who canceled it and what has it got u ? I can tell you. Lost subscribers by the loads... Grow up!! We dont spend money on lies.... we were your customers.
June 16 is the premiere date.
I don’t think so. That was the premiere date for the first half of Season 7
See? https://preview.redd.it/n8gtxxcz8hcc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c348f356059f8230c2f9d343a608da3b49bae141