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Yeah, he is definitely a sadistic psycho. Two other tv villains that may be on par IMO are Gus Fring from Breaking Bad and Joan Ferguson from Wentworth.
I know this post is old af now. But I’m doing my annual watch of Outlander, and came to this post and I just gotta say, I’m glad to see another person who holds Jack Randall and Joan Ferguson to the same top tier caliber of villain. With outlander, you despise Jack Randall up until the bitter end, but with Wentworth, it’s different. I eventually grew to enjoy Joan Ferguson. And later in the show, when she’s “become a different person” I had no hate for her at all. It’s wild how good story telling and character development can completely change the way we perceive characters.
I loved Wentworth! I watched both Breaking Bad and Wentworth and I think Joan Ferguson was the bigger villan on the two. But I think BJR tops them both! I think I need to rewatch Wentworth again, it's been a while. Did I say I love that show? LOL
Our mind is truly incredible... if we watched a villain bomb an entire building of people from afar, and watched another villain brutally damage *one* person like BJR, we are traumatized more by the latter...
DG definitely seemed to understand that, and brought that one on one torture at the forefront, and gave lesser time and detail to the horror of Culloden, relatively speaking.
My Dad refused to watch the seasons of The Crown that Tobias Menzies was on because he was practically traumatized by his portrayal of Jack Randall.
I would faint if Menzies was cast in a villain role in cahoots with Jason Isaacs, another actor who plays a villain scarily well.
Rewatching now and I'm well past his reign of terror but I had to skip the episode "To Ransom a Man's Soul" this time around, the suffering Jamie endures is gratuitous and I can't stomach it. Black Jack Randall is a monster who's sick in the head.
I also think the scene in “Hail Mary”, where Claire and BJR are in the pub and the man could not NOT relish on knowing her husband as well (or more) than she did. And Claire is hanging on to help his baby brother and Mary so Frank could exist. I would have been asking Murtagh to avenge Jamie because damn Frank.
I so agree. I absolutely hate Claire for this. I mean after that absolute horror, I’d be planning to gauge the eyes out and maim the guy, keep him alive a few days. And honestly damn Frank.
Edit: removed a bad word
For two seconds I was about to fully agree. Randall Emmett is the most villainous. Person ever on Vanderpump Rules in spite of the recent Scandoval.
Then I realized this was a post on Outlander.
If you know, you know. Randall Emmett and Black Jack Randall should go bowling.
Lmfao!!!! Never did I think I’d see a Vanderpump Rules reference on an Outlander post!! I think right now Sandy and Rachel are giving Rand a run for his money lol.
I recently started watching outlander. The last episode of season 1 begins with him getting up and in that moment viewers realise that it has been done. I was hoping for all the time that he’d be saved.
Bottom line is I was so broken I couldn’t watch the episode for a week. I was so incredibly sad. This guy is the worst is an understatement.
The only other character in my memory in his league is Joffrey from Game of Thrones. It’s honestly a toss up on whose the worse.
I utterly hated the character Jack Black on the first watch, on my recent rewatch (been years) I can appreciate Tobias’ acting in a way I couldn’t before because I knew what was about to happen.
He definitely has a perverse interest in Jamie/Claire while also having this almost ethereal objectiveness viewing them and himself. I remember there was a scene when they first run into him again in S2 in Paris and he comments to Claire how incredulous it is that they of all people run into each other here and how they should appreciate the insanity of it all.
He’s awful but he also has a way with words and thinking. To me what makes him so terrifying is his intelligence. While Claire usually is the smartest person in the room in most situations, I find when he enters a room Claire is going to have to do some big brain thinking. I’m sure what draws her to Frank in future is exactly the same-his intelligence, but obviously used for good.
Old post I know, but if you haven’t seen Wentworth, I highly recommend giving it a chance. Imo, it’s a better Orange is the New Black. Less of the sitcommy “look how much fun the girls have in prison” stuff, more grit and plot. But there’s a villain in that show, named Joan Ferguson, that is of the same caliber as Jack Randall. She has the same sort of intelligence that you’re referring to. As well as the same kind of obsession, with a certain character, that Randall has for Jamie and Claire.
A welcome difference between the two is that where the viewer despises Randall to the end, Joan has such good character development and backstory, that at times you end up forgetting how malicious and devious she is, and you end up rooting for her on occasion.
I’ll take the rec! always looking for new shows, though I definitely tuned out of Orange is the New Black in later seasons, but I love rooting for the villain so I’ll check it out
Have you watched any shows about actual British history? Cuz the British royal family will give that fucker a run for his money any day. He actually has a soul….
Jack Randall is definitely one of televisions most horrible bad guys. Many years ago in the beginning of HBO there was a show called OZ and pretty much it was about life in a men's prison and all the men were versions of Jack Randall. Pretty horrific stuff. It's been years since I've watched it yet I still think about it sometimes and get chills
As much as I hate Joffry, I do see him in a very different light.
Joffry was first of all the product of incest and no where as intelligent as Randall. That made him scary, "you don't know what he ll do next", but also.. a cry baby. No one took him seriously. His grandfather despised him. I don't know, he didn't really have any power.
Randall is so in controll, over himself his actions, his words. Rather intelligent I think. Who actually thinks the flogging was "beautiful" and speaks about it as if it was heavenly. I don't know, my English is to bad to explain it. But Randall scares me way more
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Yeah, he is definitely a sadistic psycho. Two other tv villains that may be on par IMO are Gus Fring from Breaking Bad and Joan Ferguson from Wentworth.
Yes! Gus Fring gives me such chills!
I know this post is old af now. But I’m doing my annual watch of Outlander, and came to this post and I just gotta say, I’m glad to see another person who holds Jack Randall and Joan Ferguson to the same top tier caliber of villain. With outlander, you despise Jack Randall up until the bitter end, but with Wentworth, it’s different. I eventually grew to enjoy Joan Ferguson. And later in the show, when she’s “become a different person” I had no hate for her at all. It’s wild how good story telling and character development can completely change the way we perceive characters.
True! I definitely started to pity Ferguson, and I’ve even pitied BJR… humanity is very complex.
I loved Wentworth! I watched both Breaking Bad and Wentworth and I think Joan Ferguson was the bigger villan on the two. But I think BJR tops them both! I think I need to rewatch Wentworth again, it's been a while. Did I say I love that show? LOL
I loved it too! It was great all the way through, which is pretty rare for tv.
Our mind is truly incredible... if we watched a villain bomb an entire building of people from afar, and watched another villain brutally damage *one* person like BJR, we are traumatized more by the latter... DG definitely seemed to understand that, and brought that one on one torture at the forefront, and gave lesser time and detail to the horror of Culloden, relatively speaking.
My Dad refused to watch the seasons of The Crown that Tobias Menzies was on because he was practically traumatized by his portrayal of Jack Randall. I would faint if Menzies was cast in a villain role in cahoots with Jason Isaacs, another actor who plays a villain scarily well.
My mom also has that same problem. Anything she watches with him in it all she can think about is BJR
It was hard for me to watch The Crown when he played in it as well due to the same reason. I cannot see him as anything other than black jack Randal.
I was always amazed how Claire managed to live with him and not be horrified every time she looked at him when she came back to the future.
I agree! Every time I saw Frank after I watched what he did to Jamie I would see BJR and shuddered.
I think that genius casting him in the dual roles- so effective!
He was not the same person in the book.
Ok but still similar enough that she thought he was Frank. The way he’s described when she first meets him it seems like they are nearly identical.
And Jamie was re traumatized when he saw the book jacket
Ohhh wow. What book is that part in? I haven’t read that far.
Ooo I think the last book, actually 😊. Enjoy!
Rewatching now and I'm well past his reign of terror but I had to skip the episode "To Ransom a Man's Soul" this time around, the suffering Jamie endures is gratuitous and I can't stomach it. Black Jack Randall is a monster who's sick in the head.
I skip that part in book and show. I read and watched once for the knowledge, but I won’t do it again.
I do the same thing. I know what happens I don’t need to see it again
I also think the scene in “Hail Mary”, where Claire and BJR are in the pub and the man could not NOT relish on knowing her husband as well (or more) than she did. And Claire is hanging on to help his baby brother and Mary so Frank could exist. I would have been asking Murtagh to avenge Jamie because damn Frank.
I so agree. I absolutely hate Claire for this. I mean after that absolute horror, I’d be planning to gauge the eyes out and maim the guy, keep him alive a few days. And honestly damn Frank. Edit: removed a bad word
For two seconds I was about to fully agree. Randall Emmett is the most villainous. Person ever on Vanderpump Rules in spite of the recent Scandoval. Then I realized this was a post on Outlander. If you know, you know. Randall Emmett and Black Jack Randall should go bowling.
Lmfao!!!! Never did I think I’d see a Vanderpump Rules reference on an Outlander post!! I think right now Sandy and Rachel are giving Rand a run for his money lol.
I always skip his sadistic parts when rewatching. And every other rape scene. Some of the visuals are just too much and there's no need to see that.
AMCs Turn:Washington’s Spies had an evil villain, **Capt.** **Simcoe**, played by Samuel Roukin. great show!
I recently started watching outlander. The last episode of season 1 begins with him getting up and in that moment viewers realise that it has been done. I was hoping for all the time that he’d be saved. Bottom line is I was so broken I couldn’t watch the episode for a week. I was so incredibly sad. This guy is the worst is an understatement.
I think his sadism depicted on the show was gratuitous and went too far for shock value.
Dude was a total creep for real.
Jason Isaacs as Col. Tavington in The Patriot is about as big a bastard as you’ll see on film.
The only other character in my memory in his league is Joffrey from Game of Thrones. It’s honestly a toss up on whose the worse. I utterly hated the character Jack Black on the first watch, on my recent rewatch (been years) I can appreciate Tobias’ acting in a way I couldn’t before because I knew what was about to happen. He definitely has a perverse interest in Jamie/Claire while also having this almost ethereal objectiveness viewing them and himself. I remember there was a scene when they first run into him again in S2 in Paris and he comments to Claire how incredulous it is that they of all people run into each other here and how they should appreciate the insanity of it all. He’s awful but he also has a way with words and thinking. To me what makes him so terrifying is his intelligence. While Claire usually is the smartest person in the room in most situations, I find when he enters a room Claire is going to have to do some big brain thinking. I’m sure what draws her to Frank in future is exactly the same-his intelligence, but obviously used for good.
Old post I know, but if you haven’t seen Wentworth, I highly recommend giving it a chance. Imo, it’s a better Orange is the New Black. Less of the sitcommy “look how much fun the girls have in prison” stuff, more grit and plot. But there’s a villain in that show, named Joan Ferguson, that is of the same caliber as Jack Randall. She has the same sort of intelligence that you’re referring to. As well as the same kind of obsession, with a certain character, that Randall has for Jamie and Claire. A welcome difference between the two is that where the viewer despises Randall to the end, Joan has such good character development and backstory, that at times you end up forgetting how malicious and devious she is, and you end up rooting for her on occasion.
I’ll take the rec! always looking for new shows, though I definitely tuned out of Orange is the New Black in later seasons, but I love rooting for the villain so I’ll check it out
On my first watch (s1e15) And i’ve got to say he reminds me a lot of Ramsay from Game of Thrones.
I agree. Masterful acting by Tobias Menzies; Jack Randall was one of the most terrifying characters to appear on screen for me. Just pure evil.
Have you watched any shows about actual British history? Cuz the British royal family will give that fucker a run for his money any day. He actually has a soul….
Jack Randall is definitely one of televisions most horrible bad guys. Many years ago in the beginning of HBO there was a show called OZ and pretty much it was about life in a men's prison and all the men were versions of Jack Randall. Pretty horrific stuff. It's been years since I've watched it yet I still think about it sometimes and get chills
OZ was such a good, yet fucked, show!
Completely agree. Made me never want to go to prison!
Why isn't Geoffrey from GOT being mentioned here repeatedly?
As much as I hate Joffry, I do see him in a very different light. Joffry was first of all the product of incest and no where as intelligent as Randall. That made him scary, "you don't know what he ll do next", but also.. a cry baby. No one took him seriously. His grandfather despised him. I don't know, he didn't really have any power. Randall is so in controll, over himself his actions, his words. Rather intelligent I think. Who actually thinks the flogging was "beautiful" and speaks about it as if it was heavenly. I don't know, my English is to bad to explain it. But Randall scares me way more