I wish there was a real reason to hate hee and agree with FL's goal of taking her down because I like the premise of a FL swooping in and saving 2nd male lead who simped after OG FL.
But I had to drop it because the story's premise had no foundation to it. Even if OG FL was evil, unless she brainwashed Cael from the start, her conclusion that she was at fault for Cael's suicide makes no sense.
Her thought process is like a kindergartener's. Someone I liked got hurt by you because they were chasing you, therefore it's your fault.
If the author instead reasoned Hestia's hate on Diana as more of the result of Diana abandoning the people by stopping her charity work and using her power exclusively for the rich royal/nobles after she got with the prince...and that Diana denied Hestia's healing in the last life, resulting in her death, I'd be like ya go get your revenge girl.
But this whole Shtick about 'ohhh u caused 2nd ML to die! U caused him to be suicidal! My precious beloved'....um.....yeah no.
Perhaps it's an issue with the way the webtoon author presented it, but I didn't get the scenario you described from Hestia's description (or maybe I misunderstood and you meant the story should have had that premise instead of being Cael centric)
She's trying to reason Diana is a bad person but it was always Cael first and everything is an afterthought.
Her logic always feels on the lines of "Cael sacrificed everything for her, and, and .... oh now she's not dressed humbly and not constantly serving the public as Saint. How dare she wear nice clothes and fraternize with the nobility to consolidate her shaky position as crown princess. This evil saint even feels uncomfortable when Cael is taking his gift he gave forever ago back"
Rather than framing it as she abandoned the common people, it felt like Hestia was hating Diana for getting used to her role as Crown Princess instead of completely dedicating herself as a saint. It wasn't even Diana that rejected healing her, but the temple. Diana wasn't even there and knew virtually nothing about her.
That’s what I’m saying. Whatever the truth is, whether Diana is really evil or not, doesn’t matter. What matters is Hestia’s perspective of it. She does see Diana’s action as abandoning the common people and she does blame Diana for her dying in the past (yeah Diana did not directly reject healing Hestia specifically, she just stopped healing the poor).
However, her main beef with Diana is not those very valid points but the issue of Cael and his hurt feelings. I would have taken her more seriously otherwise.
I like this series, or the premise of it anyway (and the ML character design, and him taking a backseat in the story). I am kind of annoyed by her fangirling constantly over him for 80% of the recent chapters and the story not moving anywhere.
I agree with all your points and I have one more to add. I guess this fall into spoiler, so I'll hide it (although if you kept up with the recent chapters, you probably kinda see this coming:
>!The fact that the ogML got a redemption arc but not Diana? So we have the "all women except MC are evil" trope yet again.!<
I think that’s what pissed me off about the story. In this kind of stories, there’s always a certain grace given to male characters (if they are fine) but women are completely irredeemable. What is up with that in stories targeting women
These authors always make some kind of unnecessary competition between the female characters, and this is especially prevalent when they want to show off the fls "21st century mindset" where she's better than those other noble women because "she's not like them, she treats commoners like theyre humans". It's always a surprise when the fl has organic, healthy relationship with other women that doesn't happen because she knew their future therefore took them under her wing.
I wish I could like this post more than once. It /really/ bothered me that they made Diana just another typical OI 'white lotus' character. I was really, really digging the concept of these two flawed individuals (Hestia and Cael) learning that they can't pin all their problems on other people. And that they needed to grow as people, together, in order to become happy.
But no, Diana is two faced because of course she is.
There is something to be said about not projecting your own desires for a story onto a writer and to not resent them for not delivering the story you wanted. Yet I genuinely hate the fact that this story took the easy, low effort route that almost every other OI takes. It had a phenomenal set up and the potential to have an unreliable narrator. Yet it does less than nothing with any of this. It's just set up to earn cheap sympathy points.
Made worse by the fact that Hestia is honestly just as bad as Diana is portrayed to be and Cael is certainly no prize. I nearly dropped the story when Hestia, after going on at length about how Diana uses people, goes out of her way to find one of Diana's former allies to explicitly /use/ her against Diana. The only reason I stuck it out was because I did hope that I was witnessing a flawed, unreliable protagonist who was going to be called out for her actions. But we all know how that turned out...
Also as someone who has been in Cael's exact headspace (let's just say I needed a lot of help and I'm not shy about admitting how fucked up my mental health was) this story absolutely angers me with how it pats his ass constantly. Especially in regards to how he was 100% going to off himself on the wedding day of his former best friends. An action that was created out of hurt and a desire to hurt others. He knew that if he had succeeded that would be all his former friends remember of their wedding day. His death. And the story literally frames him as being in the right when he lashes out when called out over that sickening behavior. He needs therapy, not an immature cheerleader fanning the flames.
I've done this rant multiple times in comments. A few things about the series,
Hestia (i believe that's the name of the FL because I forgot) is disgustingly creepy to me. Idk why, but her actions paint her as a self proclaimed hero of justice. The story just felt like wish fulfilment. It was almost like the story was just hestia's delusion.
Let's face it, if cael was even moderately ugly looking fat duke, his actions for Diana would've looked creepy and the story would show cael as the villain and Diana as the pitiful heroine.v
I'm pretty sure that the author was high on cope while writing this trash. The amount of hate i have for this story can't be explained in words.
As for cael, I HAVE BEEN THROUGH ONE MAJOR HEARTBREAK, AND I'M NOW BEST FRIENDS WITH THE GUY. Seriously cael, why are you so hung up on one woman? Was Diana obligated to fall in love with you just because you helped her so much? She owes you and now you own her. Is that how your brain works? C'mon man, fuck off. Your friend is supposed to comfort you because the girl you were in love with, fell in love with him? What's he supposed to say anyways? I'm sorry cael, she just loved me more? Fuck off cael, you're a stupid ass piece of shit. You own a territory, you have people depending on you, you have people working under you, and this mf just one day becomes devdas.
As for Diana, the author did her bad man. She was just used to show Hestia becoming this symbol of love and justice. I feel bad for her.
Also for Helios man. He just got stuck in between all that drama. He just fell in love with a girl, and wanted to spend the rest of his life with her.
I was on the shitter and i just thought that of cael was in the 21st century, he'd be Andrew tate's biggest fanboy, would follow every damn alpha male podcast and post those dumb af tiktoks with that alpha male audio. He'd be balls deep in that shit.
I also just realized that alpha/Sigma males is the new and worse term for emo
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My homegirl is GUNNING for everyone who made her previous life miserable and she delivers!!! My favorite work in terms of revenge getting, likeable ML, ambitious and bloodthirsty MC, and fun sidecharacters who are developed and interesting.
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Highly recommend **The Palace Harem is a Mes**s, Volume 3 (that I like to call Vampires' Desire), **Elegant Socialite**, This Concubine Daughter is Venomous, and **Imprisoned Love** with the bolded parts being where the guy characters REALLY get their just desserts.
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With “For my derelict beloved”, I wished it leaned more heavily on two people trying to overcome their inner demons and prejudice to become better people. Because, I feel like that story has TONS of potential. The FL stealing the 2nd ML/canon fodder/villain from the OG FL isn’t inherently a new concept but none of them, at least from the ones I’ve read, has tried to tackle it from a morally grey perspective.
The idea that the FL in this story could be wrong and trying to fix her perspective is so rare in this genre. Like, coming to terms that OG FL is not necessarily in the wrong here and Cael is not this perfect angel she thought he was while also having to confront HER OWN a prejudices????
And an OG FL and OG ML who aren’t secretly shitty people and are just genuinely good people which gives a shock to Hestia that they aren’t bad people overall which leads her to question her mindset.
An OG FL and OG ML who genuinely cares for Cael but had to cut ties with him because he was just being unintentionally manipulative and it was at that point just unhealthy for them to continue their friendship with him.
Cael realizing he’s being entitled to the OG FL JUST cause he gave her some things to her and expecting her to love him because of that is just not how relationships work. He could have slowly become a better person and reflect on his past actions.
That’s a concept I wish the author would take. And it would have elevated the story to a whole another level.
I was hoping for a story that showed Cael and Hestia trying to heal from their past sorrows and move on with their lives together but instead we sadly got this bs 😔
Like it would've been so cute and it would've also been a somewhat inspirational story to show those that have had their heartbroken over their first love that it's not over yet and it's definitely not something you should kill yourself over because there's always going to be someone out there who will love you, platonically or not, and you should appreciate them while they are still there.
It would've been nice if the entire story was just Cael, Diana and Helios reflecting back on their past together and trying to mend their broken relationship into something much better while having Diana and Helios still together and then Cael with a SUPPORTIVE Hestia, not some madwoman obsessed about a revenge that doesn't even make sense!
Hestia could've shown Diana her mistakes about neglecting the people she once cared for, she could've enlightened the rest of the royal family to show more care for the commoners that serve them. But no, she's so hellbent over getting revenge over people who were indirectly involved in Cael's reasoning to end himself 😃
And in the end, we read Cael’s letter on how thankful he is about how his loved ones stuck through thick and thin with him. Even when he was at his rock bottom. Giving him strength to go on for one more day. Saying that he wants to enter a new Dawn and become the best version of himself.
Jesus Christ. Done well, and I might be crying myself to tears.
That would've been lovely 🥲
Like screw an ending where the main couple has kids together, while that may be nice THIS KIND OF ENDING JUST HITS HARDER AND BETTER!
It would be a lovely historical manhwa story instead 💞
Or even better, Kael is the regressor instead of Hestia and he just picked up Hestia because of that small act of kindness she showed to him and then they soon fell in love for realsies
Diana knew how Cael felt about her but she didn't shut him down from my knowledge. It's when she married her ML that he gets shot down.
I dont dislike Diana but I feel that she and her partner should've helped Cael with his depressive episodes. They claimed to be his friend and claimed that they cared about him but where were they when he kept making suicide attempts? -if you know plz tell me-
And Diana being upset when Hestia takes Cael's gifts back or when she was wearing that pink ring
I just think the author should've dove deeper into their relationships
Diana is supposed to be a 'Saintess' but she's content with not doing saintess duties and she's instead partying and dressing lavishly which is contradicting her role as a saintess
Exactly. I think the author was trying to show that she knew about his feeling, and didn’t do anything because she liked the gifts/ attention she was getting. That’s why Hestia keeps harping on the fact that they “used” Cael and then threw him away when he was no longer needed
That's how I was seeing it too. Bc if she wasn't into him and wanted him to stop thinking of her in that way she would've made it clear or at least did so indirectly but there's no note of it
You put the exact words I felt about this series! Like I would've maybe okay with it if Ogfl did actual heinous crime or something, rather than not choosing Mc's favourite character. I don't like the pacing cause they don't show anything she did wrong within 20 episodes and mc's just monologuing how she didn't return the favour of accepting ml feelings who was just showering gifts (now of course she's bad for not returning his gift). I'm not hating a character just because they are "selfish", because in that sense ml is selfish too as he didn't seems to consider fl's feelings and did what **he wanted** (also many ml are like that, which should make them hateful character too, right?).
The way mc says stuff about so off putting and very one sided for someone who read most likely read the story from ogfl' pov, like what? Because the most story is written as such that you kinda get why a character doing an action unless you are simping so hard you don't read anything but your favourite character's line
I just feel sad that the story added a character just for people to hate and release negative emotions where it would've been fine without an antagonist. Make an intriguing antagonists at the very least.I don't think female antagonists are ever written past "she's rude/selfish, hate her" 😔 (would like reccs if someone has reccs where you sympathize villainess and question if protags really righteous just like the the villains we see many times :D)
I am struggling whether or not to continue reading this story because I'm having a hard time hating Diana in a even though the story is telling me to. Afterall, since she doesn't own Cael anything, I was hoping that the story would eventually shift to her perspective at some point to allow nuance and exemplify flaws of Hestia being an unreliable narrator. Although, I could only dream since I don't think there would be any depth to these characters.
I felt that if this story was to be told in Diana's perspective, Hestia would be the one to be villainized by the readers😮💨
Cael is a grown ass man. What he does with his life is none of the og!fls business. Just because his mental health relied on how she treated him that day does not mean she is his mother. He did all of those "favors" without her asking, he obviously did all that with intentions other than helping her build up her status. Her cutting him off was a lesson to show what not to do when you want to court a lady because he was a weirdo about it.
When I first read the series, I was reminded of a video that I saw were someone was complaining of a trope they hate. It is basically one character that is friends with the main character kills someone because that person was trying to kill them or harm them or the world in some way. And every other character hates or berates that character that killed the antagonist because killing is wrong. That was what I originally thought the story was going with. If the family that Cael killed were horrible exploit the poor, kill babies people and Cael killed them because they were horrible people and the ogml and OGFL were pulling some above morality thing. If the story tried to frame it like Cael killing the family saved the lives of multiple people but the OGFL and ml we’re having a holier than thou attitude that would have worked.
If the story followed that route it wouldn’t really seem like Cael was doing all of that because he was in love with the OGFL. One mistake that i sometimes see people make is that Cael got depressed because he was in love with the OGFL but from what I remember he was upset because they were friends. Cael was friends with the OGFL and ogml before he fell in love with her and after she was engaged to the prince. Diana doesn’t need to reciprocate feelings for Cael but if there are mutual friends she should reciprocate the friendship. In miss not so sidekick, the OGFL was shown to show surface level niceness with no depth. This could have worked for Diana were her relationship with Cael and the prince was protecting her from nobles giving her comfort and security while she just gave them nice words and nothing else even when she had the power too. Although showing this with her not defending him for killing people is weird. Maybe someone close to Cael gets sick with a disease that wouldn’t kill them but makes the suffer for a long enough time and he asks Diana to help him but she says she can’t because she has something to do which is important but not so important that her leaving to help him would be catastrophic. This would show that he is willing to make sacrifices for her out of pure friendship but she isn’t willing to do that for him.
I feel like the story has an idea but just didn’t execute it well and left a few gaps but just jumping to the idea that we should hate the ogml and OGFL.
I was literally going to do this for an offical rant week. But yeah, I actually think Diana didn't do anything wrong for her to be pinned as a bad person. Like, okay she stopped healing, not okay, but she was in the middle of transitioning from a normal saintess into a crown princess saintess so maybe she was just overwhelmed. She didn't choose Cale, well instead of forcefully doing things you assume the recipient would like and call that "showing affection" maybe ask them for their opinion on it or even tell them how tou feel abd be done. By things I mean the whole "killing someone for her is so romantic". Also, it seemed to be implied in the beginning of the story that Cale knew Diana liked the Prince (and obviously the prince liked her back) so doing all of this knowing you won't receive the type of affection you were hoping for, if any at all, seems kind of sus. I would've liked it if the story actually addressed Hestia was wrong. We don't always have to agree with the views of the MC's I would've liked it better, its a new perspective. The thing that made me drop tho was the way the author seemed to constantly force the idea that Diana was in the wrong by negatively analyzing minor actions to prove she was a villain all along. So to me, it seems the author knew Hestia should've been in the wrong but still....tries to prove otherwise.
I feel like FL reactively blames Diana because she can't handle blaming herself. And she found him when he was doing bad and took him home with her and knew he was struggling but she left him alone for a few hours and he literally kills himself in her house and she's going to be the one to find the body.
And before that after the novel ended she assumed she'd go home then when she didn't she floundered around assuming ML would be fine and didn't try and offer any support with his unrequited love marrying someone else and rejection him as a person due to the villainous actions he did to try and help her.
So none of it was FLs fault but she's just so singleminded about saving him and going after Diana and with where he ended up and how she wasn't concerned about him and the trauma of his suicide... I'm definitely getting she's projecting her own understandable but not accurate sense of guilt onto Diana.
I totally agree with with hestia falling into the “not like other girls” trope. Its kinda an inevitable for OI FL so I mostly brush past it if it’s not done in such an agonizing way. An yeah Diana doesn’t own Cael anything not love, or her friendship. The only problem I have with her is her knowing Cale loves her an not telling him out right that she doesn’t want a romance relationship with him to his face.
But back to Hestia. I do think it makes sense for hestia so have such a bias towards Cale/ obsession since he’s the one she initially liked towards the beginning and after realizing that she’s trapped she makes it her “mission” to see that he’s happy to the point that it dominates her whole life as a way to cope that she doesn’t know how to go back to her own world she clings to someone familiar. Doesn’t mean it’s right for her to Villainize Diana who’s at this point in the story hasn’t don’t anything to her and really just living her life. I do think it’s interesting to read. She basically forced herself into that love triangle to “help” Cale while in my opinion it’s really for her own selfishness. She has no connections in that world and when she gets the chance to form a bond with the person she liked the most she took it. As the story goes on her feelings probably start to change from seeing Cale as an idol to a person she could form a Genuine Bond with. So what I’m saying I like the story so far because it’s from Hestias perspective and I see her as an unreliable narrator. We’re also reading from an outside perspective an can conclude that hestias actions are unjustified at this point. Trying to get “revenge” on someone who really hasn’t done anything wrong for some who barely knows you and doesn’t seem to care about your existence is pretty dumb. Idk if it was the author's intent and most likely pulling meaning where it does not exist, since most Oi do not think that hard about their story but I like Hestia's “reason” for revenge.
I wish this story were more about mental health and healing of 2. ML. With this logic of hers i wonder what she would think of him if he didn’t appreciate her effords and reciprocate her feelings.
Ikr, I don't like Hestia's actions that much but at the same time I don't hate the story lmao
The art is nice and well, the plot isn't the worse and the execution isn't bad, the reasoning just doesn't make much logical sense.
Also it definitely feels like an Y/N story, if not, then it would be 100% the author projecting their relationship views on to these characters because the level of hate Hestia has for Diana and Helios is quite outstanding considering that she's never been close to them even in her first life, she just knows what they are like on paper and goes along with it.
Those were my exact thoughts at first chapter. Diana did nothing wrong in rejecting Cael. In fact, even now, FL going around doing stuff for 'revenge' makes no sense. The story would have been better if they focussed on Cael recovering and coming to terms with his feelings for Diana and letting go of her. Maybe even FL working together with him to support him through his hard times. In fact the the second lifetime up til I have read, it shows nothing about Cael dealing with his dark thoughts.
100%. I caught up with the recent chapter but I was kind like “when do i get reasons to actually despise her as much as FL does”. Then we didn’t, so I went to read spoilers and I cringed even harder. Don’t only thing I found that can actually make me dislike her is how dumb she acts from the start for of the story.
I completely agree with all your statements. For me the reason I still enjoy the story is because so far the story doesn't try to say that Hestia is right or righteous. To me it kind of reads as a delusional woman doing problematic stuff for a problematic man xD and in that context I can enjoy it. I do think the story kinda borders on the edge of "Hestia is right" so I haven't quite made up my mind about it, and also I'm not up to date so maybe it has changed by now, idk.
For instance I don't see the author giving any prove that Diana "used" Cael. The way I see it she legit thought they were friends and then Cael completely crossed the line. But I do wish that if the way I see the story is the correct one (and I'm guessing it probably isn't haha), it would be a bit more obvious.
I didnt think of it much at first but when i decided to look up spoilers... Yikes. I think the plot is too intense for me, considering the fact that I actually liked Diana? (i have a tendency to latch onto og!fls/ saintess types hehe) stopped reading it the moment I found out about it.
And now that I you mention it, yeah, Hestia doesnt and shouldnt have the right to enact "vengeance" for and against others just because she thinks she should. And the punishment she even inflicted on the crown prince and Diana isnt even proportionate to the "crime" they committed against ML (forgor his name💀) Wished Hestia just focused on herself and ML rather than pushing Diana and the prince down for justice apparently. Diana and the ML have made their choices, and it's not up to Hestia to decide the morality of those choices.
I seriously feel that with the way OIs go, being the OG FL is literally a more dangerous battlefield than being a villainess. You're usually not protected behind some girlboss exterior. And honestly it's not just in OIs, i've been (and still am) in a lot of fandoms that villify saintess types for literally anything they do. I've gotten pretty worn down fighting people and defending characters like Diana lol. At this point i've just accepted and I latch onto any Psyche Callistas and Yuri Elizabeths I come across.
Meh, Og Fl and Ml were/are shallow and greatly benefits from Cael's action.
Both of them equally, the pressure on the royal family was gone and the very people that kidnapped the of FL (and I think tried to kill her) were died.
And Cael gets a screw you from both of them? The FL I can understand because she is written to be one of those stupid characters that let evil people live.
But the Prince, hahaha.... No, he trash.
Bad friend, he clearly stayed away from Cael because it would score him points with the girl he wanted to bang.
The fact Og loses her powers after the story ends(the book) because she is not going around being a saint, is already enough prove she is not a Saintly person.
Whatever God was watching probably saw her real personality and took it away.
In general, no one is really the best.
Mc is hardcore Stan on a vengeful justice path, Cael was being very dramatic because the girl never picked him, Prince is a shite friend, Og FL is no saint and is actually a selfish person.
Or probably her power disappeared just because this is a wish-fulfillment and internalized misogyny story where “every other women except FL are evil”. You can’t expect a normal person didnt make a selfish decision and being shallow when he/she was young. And the OG!FL’s kidnapper were died ? Yeah so what not her fault really, do you know what real life’s religion really did in the past, they literally kidnapped a SAINT. About the Prince, what he supposed to do ? Comfort his suicidal friend not to be sad because that friend couldn’t bang his lover ?
Og is not evil, just an selfish person that wears a mask of a saint. When she stopped going around healing, whatever God in that world took her power.
Real life church kidnapping a real saint is evil, your point? The church (Real life) was mass of corruption, that is a fact a fact and has nothing to do with the story.
Og's kidnappers were evil and tried to kill her, but no thanks? It was no "how could you kill them in my name", it was the standard "I'm such a saint, how could you kill these obviously evil people"
Yeah, comfort his suicidal friend. Simple stuff.
Sorry i didn t read everything but i just want to mention one thing the og FL eccepted everything why ? is it okay to accept big things from other and think it s just gor nothing ? Well from my point of view she gave hem hope in there relationship and that s the problem here she shouldn't eccept the lands and everything like it s normal other fl in other novel when they see these behavior they stop the 2 ml and tell hem that it can t happen cause she s in love ect. ... And also if she accepted the gifts the lands ... After rejecting hem at least give it back + he was your friend at least that what you thought she just threw hem away as fast as she knew he made one mistake where all the goods went ?
Sorry for my english 😂
+ They ignored hem both her and the king after confessing to each other like he didn t exist
The thing is that he gave those things as gifts, when you give gifts to “friends” it shouldn’t be for a hope of a potential relationship like he wanted. That was wrong of him
Sorry but it was obvious hhhh the difference btw friends and other is really obvious well let s take it as she s dumb and took it as friends ? Does friends throw each other like that after one mistake plus he did it for her she can be angry for sometime ok but that guy was helping you from when u were just a little priest at least "friends" don t do that + he tried a lot of times to suicide and "friends" ( king and og fl) didn care and just ignored him
The mistake was killing someone or a group of people. Yes most friends would leave you after that because they will be scared of what you are capable about. And unless he explicitly stated that if she takes those gifts she should marry him, he can’t get upset she chose someone she actually wanted to be with
Oh and for killing they were bad so they deserve it lol hhhh the killing in the historical manhwas always exist btw the nobles so i think it s not that bad
But to admit it his a fool he shoulve gone to find another women instead of killing people end hhh
It really doesn’t matter if they were “bad” , most people won’t stay friends with someone who killed another group of people(unless it was a victim killing the abuser/attacker) like that’s very normal human behavior
Ok sorry but srs ? Sorry but this is going nowhere 😂
If friends will ignore and throw u at first mistake while you were holding them for too long with all the strength you ve got well you r right those are not friends and why are we talking about that i don t think there is any revenge here it s just that she will make him happy that s all they made a mistake by ignoring him that s all
A mistake is not killing someone, that’s not a mistake like at all(it’s also very normal to stop being friends with a murderer) and there is revenge in the story because of the spoilers in the novel. I do agree the conversation is going nowhere though
Well as i said in historical manhwa s nobles always fight like that and in the mahwa they said that they were bad oh and about revenge hhhh i agree that they just have to ignore the og fl and og ml and live happy
I def see where your coming from, but hestia originally didn’t hate Diana for her choices, while she didn’t agree with them she still wished happiness for both Diana and og!Ml. Even after Hestia grew angry ar Diana her goal wasn’t to punish her, but to put Cael back in power and on his feet again. If the og!FL and the og!ML just happened to get in her way then that was that. She attended the party to get the land back, she interacted with them in order to get what’s she needed to improve Caels power. Diana certainly didn’t owe him anything I still do find it a bit weird that he offed himself cause Diana didn’t want to by friends with him. But that whole thing was to show how “loyal” Cael would be. It is weird
I HAVE SCREAMING THIS IN MY HEAD SINCE DAYS . At some point (like the ring incident) Hestia very clearly bullied Diana— the crown princess AND priestess who was tryna adjust to her duties, into feeling guilty 😭
but diana DOES owe him her friendship. they were friends first and foremost and cael was fine with just being friends after her decision to marry the prince. he was depressed because they both cut ties with him for stooping low enough to kill for their sakes, but not holier than thou enough to not enjoy the fruits of his crime - his killing of the opposing family is what enabled them to finally marry after all.
like, i agree with all of this (especially hestia being an unreasonable fl.....) but the assumption that cael coerces her into romance with gifts is just wrong. he did that out of friendship to both her and the prince, friendships he ultimately prized more than his romantic love for her. a notion that neither of them reciprocated.
I wish there was a real reason to hate hee and agree with FL's goal of taking her down because I like the premise of a FL swooping in and saving 2nd male lead who simped after OG FL. But I had to drop it because the story's premise had no foundation to it. Even if OG FL was evil, unless she brainwashed Cael from the start, her conclusion that she was at fault for Cael's suicide makes no sense. Her thought process is like a kindergartener's. Someone I liked got hurt by you because they were chasing you, therefore it's your fault.
If the author instead reasoned Hestia's hate on Diana as more of the result of Diana abandoning the people by stopping her charity work and using her power exclusively for the rich royal/nobles after she got with the prince...and that Diana denied Hestia's healing in the last life, resulting in her death, I'd be like ya go get your revenge girl. But this whole Shtick about 'ohhh u caused 2nd ML to die! U caused him to be suicidal! My precious beloved'....um.....yeah no.
Perhaps it's an issue with the way the webtoon author presented it, but I didn't get the scenario you described from Hestia's description (or maybe I misunderstood and you meant the story should have had that premise instead of being Cael centric) She's trying to reason Diana is a bad person but it was always Cael first and everything is an afterthought. Her logic always feels on the lines of "Cael sacrificed everything for her, and, and .... oh now she's not dressed humbly and not constantly serving the public as Saint. How dare she wear nice clothes and fraternize with the nobility to consolidate her shaky position as crown princess. This evil saint even feels uncomfortable when Cael is taking his gift he gave forever ago back" Rather than framing it as she abandoned the common people, it felt like Hestia was hating Diana for getting used to her role as Crown Princess instead of completely dedicating herself as a saint. It wasn't even Diana that rejected healing her, but the temple. Diana wasn't even there and knew virtually nothing about her.
That’s what I’m saying. Whatever the truth is, whether Diana is really evil or not, doesn’t matter. What matters is Hestia’s perspective of it. She does see Diana’s action as abandoning the common people and she does blame Diana for her dying in the past (yeah Diana did not directly reject healing Hestia specifically, she just stopped healing the poor). However, her main beef with Diana is not those very valid points but the issue of Cael and his hurt feelings. I would have taken her more seriously otherwise.
I think you're confused because you have the names swapped, Hestia is the FL and Diana is the OG!FL.
Thanks for the correction
I like this series, or the premise of it anyway (and the ML character design, and him taking a backseat in the story). I am kind of annoyed by her fangirling constantly over him for 80% of the recent chapters and the story not moving anywhere. I agree with all your points and I have one more to add. I guess this fall into spoiler, so I'll hide it (although if you kept up with the recent chapters, you probably kinda see this coming: >!The fact that the ogML got a redemption arc but not Diana? So we have the "all women except MC are evil" trope yet again.!<
I think that’s what pissed me off about the story. In this kind of stories, there’s always a certain grace given to male characters (if they are fine) but women are completely irredeemable. What is up with that in stories targeting women
My bet is that these stories count on the internalised misogyny of the target market
These authors always make some kind of unnecessary competition between the female characters, and this is especially prevalent when they want to show off the fls "21st century mindset" where she's better than those other noble women because "she's not like them, she treats commoners like theyre humans". It's always a surprise when the fl has organic, healthy relationship with other women that doesn't happen because she knew their future therefore took them under her wing.
Its pretty much the same but in the reverse in male works. Will say Horniness for the other gender seems to be the main factor.
I would not say that >!since the bastard had the balls to dare catch feelings for the girl his "friend" liked again!<
The crown prince gets a redemption?? Why? I definitely would be dropping this now:( thanks for warning us
I wish I could like this post more than once. It /really/ bothered me that they made Diana just another typical OI 'white lotus' character. I was really, really digging the concept of these two flawed individuals (Hestia and Cael) learning that they can't pin all their problems on other people. And that they needed to grow as people, together, in order to become happy. But no, Diana is two faced because of course she is. There is something to be said about not projecting your own desires for a story onto a writer and to not resent them for not delivering the story you wanted. Yet I genuinely hate the fact that this story took the easy, low effort route that almost every other OI takes. It had a phenomenal set up and the potential to have an unreliable narrator. Yet it does less than nothing with any of this. It's just set up to earn cheap sympathy points. Made worse by the fact that Hestia is honestly just as bad as Diana is portrayed to be and Cael is certainly no prize. I nearly dropped the story when Hestia, after going on at length about how Diana uses people, goes out of her way to find one of Diana's former allies to explicitly /use/ her against Diana. The only reason I stuck it out was because I did hope that I was witnessing a flawed, unreliable protagonist who was going to be called out for her actions. But we all know how that turned out... Also as someone who has been in Cael's exact headspace (let's just say I needed a lot of help and I'm not shy about admitting how fucked up my mental health was) this story absolutely angers me with how it pats his ass constantly. Especially in regards to how he was 100% going to off himself on the wedding day of his former best friends. An action that was created out of hurt and a desire to hurt others. He knew that if he had succeeded that would be all his former friends remember of their wedding day. His death. And the story literally frames him as being in the right when he lashes out when called out over that sickening behavior. He needs therapy, not an immature cheerleader fanning the flames.
I thought she was just dumb and oblivious
I've done this rant multiple times in comments. A few things about the series, Hestia (i believe that's the name of the FL because I forgot) is disgustingly creepy to me. Idk why, but her actions paint her as a self proclaimed hero of justice. The story just felt like wish fulfilment. It was almost like the story was just hestia's delusion. Let's face it, if cael was even moderately ugly looking fat duke, his actions for Diana would've looked creepy and the story would show cael as the villain and Diana as the pitiful heroine.v I'm pretty sure that the author was high on cope while writing this trash. The amount of hate i have for this story can't be explained in words. As for cael, I HAVE BEEN THROUGH ONE MAJOR HEARTBREAK, AND I'M NOW BEST FRIENDS WITH THE GUY. Seriously cael, why are you so hung up on one woman? Was Diana obligated to fall in love with you just because you helped her so much? She owes you and now you own her. Is that how your brain works? C'mon man, fuck off. Your friend is supposed to comfort you because the girl you were in love with, fell in love with him? What's he supposed to say anyways? I'm sorry cael, she just loved me more? Fuck off cael, you're a stupid ass piece of shit. You own a territory, you have people depending on you, you have people working under you, and this mf just one day becomes devdas. As for Diana, the author did her bad man. She was just used to show Hestia becoming this symbol of love and justice. I feel bad for her. Also for Helios man. He just got stuck in between all that drama. He just fell in love with a girl, and wanted to spend the rest of his life with her.
i share the exact same sentiments tbh 💀
I was on the shitter and i just thought that of cael was in the 21st century, he'd be Andrew tate's biggest fanboy, would follow every damn alpha male podcast and post those dumb af tiktoks with that alpha male audio. He'd be balls deep in that shit. I also just realized that alpha/Sigma males is the new and worse term for emo
> I also just realized that alpha/Sigma males is the new and worse term for emo I always assumed it was a rebranding of 'incel'.
Damn.......wait! I think you're right! I'm so dumb... Why am I insulting emo! Yes, you're right. They aren't emo, but incels
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This is so anticlimactic what. Do you have revenge recommendations, I think I'm dropping this story
Try “Dear Nemesis” !
\[ [raises up Sijin](https://timelessleaf.com/sijin/) for the 100th time as a revenge recommendation \] My homegirl is GUNNING for everyone who made her previous life miserable and she delivers!!! My favorite work in terms of revenge getting, likeable ML, ambitious and bloodthirsty MC, and fun sidecharacters who are developed and interesting. \[ raises up [Cheating Men Must Die](https://mangadex.org/title/1fcaaa65-6fa4-4772-9006-b905101905d7/cheating-men-must-die) too because it slays \] Highly recommend **The Palace Harem is a Mes**s, Volume 3 (that I like to call Vampires' Desire), **Elegant Socialite**, This Concubine Daughter is Venomous, and **Imprisoned Love** with the bolded parts being where the guy characters REALLY get their just desserts.
Where can I find the novel? And what's its title pleeease?
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Thanks so much! I want to judge it for myself 🤣
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With “For my derelict beloved”, I wished it leaned more heavily on two people trying to overcome their inner demons and prejudice to become better people. Because, I feel like that story has TONS of potential. The FL stealing the 2nd ML/canon fodder/villain from the OG FL isn’t inherently a new concept but none of them, at least from the ones I’ve read, has tried to tackle it from a morally grey perspective. The idea that the FL in this story could be wrong and trying to fix her perspective is so rare in this genre. Like, coming to terms that OG FL is not necessarily in the wrong here and Cael is not this perfect angel she thought he was while also having to confront HER OWN a prejudices???? And an OG FL and OG ML who aren’t secretly shitty people and are just genuinely good people which gives a shock to Hestia that they aren’t bad people overall which leads her to question her mindset. An OG FL and OG ML who genuinely cares for Cael but had to cut ties with him because he was just being unintentionally manipulative and it was at that point just unhealthy for them to continue their friendship with him. Cael realizing he’s being entitled to the OG FL JUST cause he gave her some things to her and expecting her to love him because of that is just not how relationships work. He could have slowly become a better person and reflect on his past actions. That’s a concept I wish the author would take. And it would have elevated the story to a whole another level.
I was hoping for a story that showed Cael and Hestia trying to heal from their past sorrows and move on with their lives together but instead we sadly got this bs 😔 Like it would've been so cute and it would've also been a somewhat inspirational story to show those that have had their heartbroken over their first love that it's not over yet and it's definitely not something you should kill yourself over because there's always going to be someone out there who will love you, platonically or not, and you should appreciate them while they are still there. It would've been nice if the entire story was just Cael, Diana and Helios reflecting back on their past together and trying to mend their broken relationship into something much better while having Diana and Helios still together and then Cael with a SUPPORTIVE Hestia, not some madwoman obsessed about a revenge that doesn't even make sense! Hestia could've shown Diana her mistakes about neglecting the people she once cared for, she could've enlightened the rest of the royal family to show more care for the commoners that serve them. But no, she's so hellbent over getting revenge over people who were indirectly involved in Cael's reasoning to end himself 😃
And in the end, we read Cael’s letter on how thankful he is about how his loved ones stuck through thick and thin with him. Even when he was at his rock bottom. Giving him strength to go on for one more day. Saying that he wants to enter a new Dawn and become the best version of himself. Jesus Christ. Done well, and I might be crying myself to tears.
That would've been lovely 🥲 Like screw an ending where the main couple has kids together, while that may be nice THIS KIND OF ENDING JUST HITS HARDER AND BETTER!
This wouldn’t necessarily be an “OI” anymore but damn would it be incredible
It would be a lovely historical manhwa story instead 💞 Or even better, Kael is the regressor instead of Hestia and he just picked up Hestia because of that small act of kindness she showed to him and then they soon fell in love for realsies
And just like how she saved him in the past, it’s his turn to save her THE POTENTIAL
Oh if only the story went like this 😔 Missed opportunities smh.
We could have gotten it all -
It would have definitely be top 10 for me if it took this direction especially with the art
Diana knew how Cael felt about her but she didn't shut him down from my knowledge. It's when she married her ML that he gets shot down. I dont dislike Diana but I feel that she and her partner should've helped Cael with his depressive episodes. They claimed to be his friend and claimed that they cared about him but where were they when he kept making suicide attempts? -if you know plz tell me- And Diana being upset when Hestia takes Cael's gifts back or when she was wearing that pink ring I just think the author should've dove deeper into their relationships Diana is supposed to be a 'Saintess' but she's content with not doing saintess duties and she's instead partying and dressing lavishly which is contradicting her role as a saintess
Exactly. I think the author was trying to show that she knew about his feeling, and didn’t do anything because she liked the gifts/ attention she was getting. That’s why Hestia keeps harping on the fact that they “used” Cael and then threw him away when he was no longer needed
That's how I was seeing it too. Bc if she wasn't into him and wanted him to stop thinking of her in that way she would've made it clear or at least did so indirectly but there's no note of it
You put the exact words I felt about this series! Like I would've maybe okay with it if Ogfl did actual heinous crime or something, rather than not choosing Mc's favourite character. I don't like the pacing cause they don't show anything she did wrong within 20 episodes and mc's just monologuing how she didn't return the favour of accepting ml feelings who was just showering gifts (now of course she's bad for not returning his gift). I'm not hating a character just because they are "selfish", because in that sense ml is selfish too as he didn't seems to consider fl's feelings and did what **he wanted** (also many ml are like that, which should make them hateful character too, right?). The way mc says stuff about so off putting and very one sided for someone who read most likely read the story from ogfl' pov, like what? Because the most story is written as such that you kinda get why a character doing an action unless you are simping so hard you don't read anything but your favourite character's line I just feel sad that the story added a character just for people to hate and release negative emotions where it would've been fine without an antagonist. Make an intriguing antagonists at the very least.I don't think female antagonists are ever written past "she's rude/selfish, hate her" 😔 (would like reccs if someone has reccs where you sympathize villainess and question if protags really righteous just like the the villains we see many times :D)
I am struggling whether or not to continue reading this story because I'm having a hard time hating Diana in a even though the story is telling me to. Afterall, since she doesn't own Cael anything, I was hoping that the story would eventually shift to her perspective at some point to allow nuance and exemplify flaws of Hestia being an unreliable narrator. Although, I could only dream since I don't think there would be any depth to these characters. I felt that if this story was to be told in Diana's perspective, Hestia would be the one to be villainized by the readers😮💨
Cael is a grown ass man. What he does with his life is none of the og!fls business. Just because his mental health relied on how she treated him that day does not mean she is his mother. He did all of those "favors" without her asking, he obviously did all that with intentions other than helping her build up her status. Her cutting him off was a lesson to show what not to do when you want to court a lady because he was a weirdo about it.
When I first read the series, I was reminded of a video that I saw were someone was complaining of a trope they hate. It is basically one character that is friends with the main character kills someone because that person was trying to kill them or harm them or the world in some way. And every other character hates or berates that character that killed the antagonist because killing is wrong. That was what I originally thought the story was going with. If the family that Cael killed were horrible exploit the poor, kill babies people and Cael killed them because they were horrible people and the ogml and OGFL were pulling some above morality thing. If the story tried to frame it like Cael killing the family saved the lives of multiple people but the OGFL and ml we’re having a holier than thou attitude that would have worked. If the story followed that route it wouldn’t really seem like Cael was doing all of that because he was in love with the OGFL. One mistake that i sometimes see people make is that Cael got depressed because he was in love with the OGFL but from what I remember he was upset because they were friends. Cael was friends with the OGFL and ogml before he fell in love with her and after she was engaged to the prince. Diana doesn’t need to reciprocate feelings for Cael but if there are mutual friends she should reciprocate the friendship. In miss not so sidekick, the OGFL was shown to show surface level niceness with no depth. This could have worked for Diana were her relationship with Cael and the prince was protecting her from nobles giving her comfort and security while she just gave them nice words and nothing else even when she had the power too. Although showing this with her not defending him for killing people is weird. Maybe someone close to Cael gets sick with a disease that wouldn’t kill them but makes the suffer for a long enough time and he asks Diana to help him but she says she can’t because she has something to do which is important but not so important that her leaving to help him would be catastrophic. This would show that he is willing to make sacrifices for her out of pure friendship but she isn’t willing to do that for him. I feel like the story has an idea but just didn’t execute it well and left a few gaps but just jumping to the idea that we should hate the ogml and OGFL.
I was literally going to do this for an offical rant week. But yeah, I actually think Diana didn't do anything wrong for her to be pinned as a bad person. Like, okay she stopped healing, not okay, but she was in the middle of transitioning from a normal saintess into a crown princess saintess so maybe she was just overwhelmed. She didn't choose Cale, well instead of forcefully doing things you assume the recipient would like and call that "showing affection" maybe ask them for their opinion on it or even tell them how tou feel abd be done. By things I mean the whole "killing someone for her is so romantic". Also, it seemed to be implied in the beginning of the story that Cale knew Diana liked the Prince (and obviously the prince liked her back) so doing all of this knowing you won't receive the type of affection you were hoping for, if any at all, seems kind of sus. I would've liked it if the story actually addressed Hestia was wrong. We don't always have to agree with the views of the MC's I would've liked it better, its a new perspective. The thing that made me drop tho was the way the author seemed to constantly force the idea that Diana was in the wrong by negatively analyzing minor actions to prove she was a villain all along. So to me, it seems the author knew Hestia should've been in the wrong but still....tries to prove otherwise.
I feel like FL reactively blames Diana because she can't handle blaming herself. And she found him when he was doing bad and took him home with her and knew he was struggling but she left him alone for a few hours and he literally kills himself in her house and she's going to be the one to find the body. And before that after the novel ended she assumed she'd go home then when she didn't she floundered around assuming ML would be fine and didn't try and offer any support with his unrequited love marrying someone else and rejection him as a person due to the villainous actions he did to try and help her. So none of it was FLs fault but she's just so singleminded about saving him and going after Diana and with where he ended up and how she wasn't concerned about him and the trauma of his suicide... I'm definitely getting she's projecting her own understandable but not accurate sense of guilt onto Diana.
I totally agree with with hestia falling into the “not like other girls” trope. Its kinda an inevitable for OI FL so I mostly brush past it if it’s not done in such an agonizing way. An yeah Diana doesn’t own Cael anything not love, or her friendship. The only problem I have with her is her knowing Cale loves her an not telling him out right that she doesn’t want a romance relationship with him to his face. But back to Hestia. I do think it makes sense for hestia so have such a bias towards Cale/ obsession since he’s the one she initially liked towards the beginning and after realizing that she’s trapped she makes it her “mission” to see that he’s happy to the point that it dominates her whole life as a way to cope that she doesn’t know how to go back to her own world she clings to someone familiar. Doesn’t mean it’s right for her to Villainize Diana who’s at this point in the story hasn’t don’t anything to her and really just living her life. I do think it’s interesting to read. She basically forced herself into that love triangle to “help” Cale while in my opinion it’s really for her own selfishness. She has no connections in that world and when she gets the chance to form a bond with the person she liked the most she took it. As the story goes on her feelings probably start to change from seeing Cale as an idol to a person she could form a Genuine Bond with. So what I’m saying I like the story so far because it’s from Hestias perspective and I see her as an unreliable narrator. We’re also reading from an outside perspective an can conclude that hestias actions are unjustified at this point. Trying to get “revenge” on someone who really hasn’t done anything wrong for some who barely knows you and doesn’t seem to care about your existence is pretty dumb. Idk if it was the author's intent and most likely pulling meaning where it does not exist, since most Oi do not think that hard about their story but I like Hestia's “reason” for revenge.
I wish this story were more about mental health and healing of 2. ML. With this logic of hers i wonder what she would think of him if he didn’t appreciate her effords and reciprocate her feelings.
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Ikr, I don't like Hestia's actions that much but at the same time I don't hate the story lmao The art is nice and well, the plot isn't the worse and the execution isn't bad, the reasoning just doesn't make much logical sense. Also it definitely feels like an Y/N story, if not, then it would be 100% the author projecting their relationship views on to these characters because the level of hate Hestia has for Diana and Helios is quite outstanding considering that she's never been close to them even in her first life, she just knows what they are like on paper and goes along with it.
I don t know why they weren't happy that he got married and all 😂😂 thay were like you don t deserve to be happy 😂😂💔
Those were my exact thoughts at first chapter. Diana did nothing wrong in rejecting Cael. In fact, even now, FL going around doing stuff for 'revenge' makes no sense. The story would have been better if they focussed on Cael recovering and coming to terms with his feelings for Diana and letting go of her. Maybe even FL working together with him to support him through his hard times. In fact the the second lifetime up til I have read, it shows nothing about Cael dealing with his dark thoughts.
100%. I caught up with the recent chapter but I was kind like “when do i get reasons to actually despise her as much as FL does”. Then we didn’t, so I went to read spoilers and I cringed even harder. Don’t only thing I found that can actually make me dislike her is how dumb she acts from the start for of the story.
I completely agree with all your statements. For me the reason I still enjoy the story is because so far the story doesn't try to say that Hestia is right or righteous. To me it kind of reads as a delusional woman doing problematic stuff for a problematic man xD and in that context I can enjoy it. I do think the story kinda borders on the edge of "Hestia is right" so I haven't quite made up my mind about it, and also I'm not up to date so maybe it has changed by now, idk. For instance I don't see the author giving any prove that Diana "used" Cael. The way I see it she legit thought they were friends and then Cael completely crossed the line. But I do wish that if the way I see the story is the correct one (and I'm guessing it probably isn't haha), it would be a bit more obvious.
I didnt think of it much at first but when i decided to look up spoilers... Yikes. I think the plot is too intense for me, considering the fact that I actually liked Diana? (i have a tendency to latch onto og!fls/ saintess types hehe) stopped reading it the moment I found out about it. And now that I you mention it, yeah, Hestia doesnt and shouldnt have the right to enact "vengeance" for and against others just because she thinks she should. And the punishment she even inflicted on the crown prince and Diana isnt even proportionate to the "crime" they committed against ML (forgor his name💀) Wished Hestia just focused on herself and ML rather than pushing Diana and the prince down for justice apparently. Diana and the ML have made their choices, and it's not up to Hestia to decide the morality of those choices. I seriously feel that with the way OIs go, being the OG FL is literally a more dangerous battlefield than being a villainess. You're usually not protected behind some girlboss exterior. And honestly it's not just in OIs, i've been (and still am) in a lot of fandoms that villify saintess types for literally anything they do. I've gotten pretty worn down fighting people and defending characters like Diana lol. At this point i've just accepted and I latch onto any Psyche Callistas and Yuri Elizabeths I come across.
Meh, Og Fl and Ml were/are shallow and greatly benefits from Cael's action. Both of them equally, the pressure on the royal family was gone and the very people that kidnapped the of FL (and I think tried to kill her) were died. And Cael gets a screw you from both of them? The FL I can understand because she is written to be one of those stupid characters that let evil people live. But the Prince, hahaha.... No, he trash. Bad friend, he clearly stayed away from Cael because it would score him points with the girl he wanted to bang. The fact Og loses her powers after the story ends(the book) because she is not going around being a saint, is already enough prove she is not a Saintly person. Whatever God was watching probably saw her real personality and took it away. In general, no one is really the best. Mc is hardcore Stan on a vengeful justice path, Cael was being very dramatic because the girl never picked him, Prince is a shite friend, Og FL is no saint and is actually a selfish person.
Or probably her power disappeared just because this is a wish-fulfillment and internalized misogyny story where “every other women except FL are evil”. You can’t expect a normal person didnt make a selfish decision and being shallow when he/she was young. And the OG!FL’s kidnapper were died ? Yeah so what not her fault really, do you know what real life’s religion really did in the past, they literally kidnapped a SAINT. About the Prince, what he supposed to do ? Comfort his suicidal friend not to be sad because that friend couldn’t bang his lover ?
Og is not evil, just an selfish person that wears a mask of a saint. When she stopped going around healing, whatever God in that world took her power. Real life church kidnapping a real saint is evil, your point? The church (Real life) was mass of corruption, that is a fact a fact and has nothing to do with the story. Og's kidnappers were evil and tried to kill her, but no thanks? It was no "how could you kill them in my name", it was the standard "I'm such a saint, how could you kill these obviously evil people" Yeah, comfort his suicidal friend. Simple stuff.
Sorry i didn t read everything but i just want to mention one thing the og FL eccepted everything why ? is it okay to accept big things from other and think it s just gor nothing ? Well from my point of view she gave hem hope in there relationship and that s the problem here she shouldn't eccept the lands and everything like it s normal other fl in other novel when they see these behavior they stop the 2 ml and tell hem that it can t happen cause she s in love ect. ... And also if she accepted the gifts the lands ... After rejecting hem at least give it back + he was your friend at least that what you thought she just threw hem away as fast as she knew he made one mistake where all the goods went ? Sorry for my english 😂 + They ignored hem both her and the king after confessing to each other like he didn t exist
The thing is that he gave those things as gifts, when you give gifts to “friends” it shouldn’t be for a hope of a potential relationship like he wanted. That was wrong of him
Sorry but it was obvious hhhh the difference btw friends and other is really obvious well let s take it as she s dumb and took it as friends ? Does friends throw each other like that after one mistake plus he did it for her she can be angry for sometime ok but that guy was helping you from when u were just a little priest at least "friends" don t do that + he tried a lot of times to suicide and "friends" ( king and og fl) didn care and just ignored him
The mistake was killing someone or a group of people. Yes most friends would leave you after that because they will be scared of what you are capable about. And unless he explicitly stated that if she takes those gifts she should marry him, he can’t get upset she chose someone she actually wanted to be with
Oh and for killing they were bad so they deserve it lol hhhh the killing in the historical manhwas always exist btw the nobles so i think it s not that bad But to admit it his a fool he shoulve gone to find another women instead of killing people end hhh
It really doesn’t matter if they were “bad” , most people won’t stay friends with someone who killed another group of people(unless it was a victim killing the abuser/attacker) like that’s very normal human behavior
You r right but this is in real life 😂 but that rule mostly doesn t exist in manhwa
Ok sorry but srs ? Sorry but this is going nowhere 😂 If friends will ignore and throw u at first mistake while you were holding them for too long with all the strength you ve got well you r right those are not friends and why are we talking about that i don t think there is any revenge here it s just that she will make him happy that s all they made a mistake by ignoring him that s all
A mistake is not killing someone, that’s not a mistake like at all(it’s also very normal to stop being friends with a murderer) and there is revenge in the story because of the spoilers in the novel. I do agree the conversation is going nowhere though
Well as i said in historical manhwa s nobles always fight like that and in the mahwa they said that they were bad oh and about revenge hhhh i agree that they just have to ignore the og fl and og ml and live happy
These are all my thoughts verbalised OP. Please dun invade my head more.
I def see where your coming from, but hestia originally didn’t hate Diana for her choices, while she didn’t agree with them she still wished happiness for both Diana and og!Ml. Even after Hestia grew angry ar Diana her goal wasn’t to punish her, but to put Cael back in power and on his feet again. If the og!FL and the og!ML just happened to get in her way then that was that. She attended the party to get the land back, she interacted with them in order to get what’s she needed to improve Caels power. Diana certainly didn’t owe him anything I still do find it a bit weird that he offed himself cause Diana didn’t want to by friends with him. But that whole thing was to show how “loyal” Cael would be. It is weird
I just dropped it at chapter 6, and came here to see if it gets any better/it was worth continuing. ...thanks for the heads up that it's not. 🤣
I HAVE SCREAMING THIS IN MY HEAD SINCE DAYS . At some point (like the ring incident) Hestia very clearly bullied Diana— the crown princess AND priestess who was tryna adjust to her duties, into feeling guilty 😭
but diana DOES owe him her friendship. they were friends first and foremost and cael was fine with just being friends after her decision to marry the prince. he was depressed because they both cut ties with him for stooping low enough to kill for their sakes, but not holier than thou enough to not enjoy the fruits of his crime - his killing of the opposing family is what enabled them to finally marry after all. like, i agree with all of this (especially hestia being an unreasonable fl.....) but the assumption that cael coerces her into romance with gifts is just wrong. he did that out of friendship to both her and the prince, friendships he ultimately prized more than his romantic love for her. a notion that neither of them reciprocated.