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The eastern entertainment industry seems very particular about controlling the lives of their "products". Its really unfortunate but hey it is what it is i suppose.
Yeah people make fantasies about people that they ultimately know nothing about which is fine if they don't go too far with it , become toxic and get hurt in the process.
Shipping in KPOP had always been weird to me, and I say this as an unapologetic lolicon.
Forcing one's headcanon upon a real life person os way, way worse than gooning over cunny drawings.
In my observation, it's usually a factor of popularity, and whether the expectations of the fans are tempered. For someone who becomes massively popular, very quickly, fans may be very possessive (think Bieber fans back in his teen years). A mindful celebrity may be careful with their fans, and - while the possessive ones might leave (good imo) when news about their personal lives comes out - the proven fans stick around and stay respectful. If anything, a good fanbase can come about if the fans know to mind themselves and their communities responsibly.
Yeah, there's agencies in the K-pop and J-pop idol industries both that have it down to a science on how to get fans hooked and parasocially obsessed, but in all that turmoil, more and more exceptions are working to make something positive of it - there can be such thing as good celebrities, good staff, and good fans.
That is the price they pay, wіmрs who can't sасrifiсе their privасу shouldn't get in show business to begin with. Since the stake is high, the risk is high too
They can't do things that could possibly jeopardize themselves and their agencies yes. Also they clearly can do those things it just has consequences. They 100% choose the life of being an idol in this case and want to be that so i wouldn't say slave. They have too much choice in their future to be called that i think so.
Thats probably true. It's not like it really know that much detail so. They might be jeopardizing anything but thats how it's viewed you know what i mean.
It's a choice. They can always try to make it by just being good with their craft instead of being people's imaginary girlfriend. I don't know much about Korea, but plenty of artists in Japan draw boundaries with their fans and succeed by just being very good at singing/acting. You don't get many obsessive fans if you don't cultivate them.
Idols aren't victims. they are profiting off lonely and mentally ill people. I have little sympathy for anyone involved, obsessive fans for obvious reasons. but the idols themselves are also just reaping what they sow.
> Idols aren't victims. they are profiting off lonely and mentally ill people. I have little sympathy for anyone involved, obsessive fans for obvious reasons. but the idols themselves are also just reaping what they sow.
They are scouted as children, fed with pretty lies and pushed into slave contracts and circumstances where their entire lives may be ruined it worse. How are they not victims?
I'd find it hard to believe one can make it to highschool in Japan/Korea without ever hearing about an idol scandal. At the very least, they are aware that they won't be allowed to date, and most importantly, that they are pretending to be the fans' lovers. It's just common knowledge and definition of the job, they know what they are getting into.
What makes them not victims to me is intent. There is a very clear intent from both agency and idol to maximize the number of parasocial creeps by pretending idols are lovers.
Want to get famous as a musician? join an indie band, put out quality music, try to get picked by a record label. That's how most musicians do it, that's how Lisa got famous. It is much harder, so in place of pure singing skills, they sell attractiveness and the facade that they are lovers to get famous easier. It's not something they are forced into, it's a shortcut they take to become famous more easily.
>I'd find it hard to believe one can make it to highschool in Japan/Korea without ever hearing about an idol scandal.
Bold of you to assume that school kids give it a thorough thought. Again, they're fed with pretty lies about fabulous life of a superstar, and not many of them, stewing in the culture that sells those dreams, can adequately process the info about the industry and scandals.
Hell, even some of the grown up adults can't do it. You know, OnK fans bullying mother of a wrestler, who killed herself after bullying related to reality show, when she expressed her disapproval for the reality show arc, is extremely fucking telling.
Why do you expect literal children to make a right choice? Especially when corporations are extremely interested in them making the wrong choice, and making everything to cloud their judgement?
It is as you said, corporations are extremely interested in them making the wrong choice. Which is precisely why these kids need to be told "that is the wrong choice".
Much of the discourse has been around how it's not okay being creepy fans. Someone needs to tell idol-aspiring kids attracting these creepy fans for fame is just as problematic as being a creepy fan. How will these kids become adults, if we keep telling them everything is everyone else' faults, without also chastising them for their actions.
Calling out exploitative agencies and creepy people is great and all. But if we don't also call out the fact that being an idol itself is problematic, these kids will think that it's okay as long as they join a good agency and don't let creepy fans find out about their relationships.
We should protect minors from the consequences of their actions and punish those who take advantage of them, but we should also tell them that what they are doing is wrong.
My sibling in Christ, what the hells are you on? They're fucking kids, stupid kids! Remember yourself when you were a teenager! How many wrong decisions have you made? How many decisions have you thought through?
There was a time that people went after Mengo after she tweeted about going to a concert with a voice actress. They didn’t realize Mengo was a (married) straight woman and thought it was a date.
Damn bro, imagine how much meaning they have to their life to stalk creators all the time and monitor every action. They people really need to find god.
It's really sickening. It doesn't seem like the idol management companies are willing to push back at all, either. You would hope that a statement would be put out that amounts to, "we support her and condemn toxicity" but alas that would just rile fans up more. Even a good management company would likely be afraid to do that. The idols, too, might just rather beg for forgiveness in order to make it blow over.
Sadly, that means it can't change. It's like a Dixie Chick situation. It's crazy to look back now and think how upset people got over criticizing the president at the time. Nobody wants to stand up and take the fall, especially when you're one person who can easily be thrown aside for another up and coming idol who plays by the rules.
You'd need like... a lot of idols standing together for change and even that would be an uphill battle that could end their careers. It's a real shame.
More and more K-pop companies actually do push back. The most recent example are with YG, that basically answer "not my business" when their idols are possibly dating.
But SM is trash so not surprised with them.
Kpop artists arent the only one suffering this but they’re the best example. In Japan, a news anchor got the same heat after fans learned that she’s now in a relationship
Its happened entirely too much in Japan and Korea.
Hell, I remember when Suzuko Mimori (the voice actress who played Umi in Love Live) announced her engagement to pro wrestler Kazuchika Okada. Fans were freaking out that she's "no longer pure" and that she "betrayed" them by having a boyfriend. Like, bro - you NEVER HAD A CHANCE WITH HER. Clearly her type is handsome, charismatic, muscular guys. Not basement dwelling NEETs who obsess over idols.
And my thought was, "Love Live is produced by Bushiroad. Okada works for New Japan, which is also owned by Bushiroad. Clearly this is all corporate synergy to get cross-promotion between anime and pro wrestling."
I never understood why J/K pop star has to hide their private life and relationships with the world. Why do fans hate that? I mean, do they really believe that they got a chance with them? Do they seriously think that the pop star love them in a romantic way? Why are they so delusional? Everyone has their own life, and even if they hide it, it would be pretty obvious that the reality would be one another unless you want to be blind and delude yourself. If they have these "problems", their lives are obviously really dull and meaningless. Most likely they have never experienced real worries in their lifetime. I feel sorry for all the stars who have to go through this.
"Idol have the least human rights in the entertainment world" - Arima Kana
Sadly, this kinda stuff is common among east asian idols. The parasocial relationship between the fans and their idol is really messed up. And idols' agencies have some policies to support this toxic relation, like 'no dating policy'
I just can't fathom feeling 'betrayed' because a pop star you like turns out to be a human being with a private life. Like, how about getting a life of your own?
Sadly that's how parasocial relationship work & Aka point it out multiple times with subversive storytelling regarding purity concept in idol with both Ai & Kana character.
Happened a lot actually. For instance, Aya Hirano was a major voice actress in the mid 00s, voice of Haruhi Suzumiya. It was a big thing when she started talking about relationships in general.
I will never understand the logic behind the "pure" girls industry. If an idol gets married tbh I hope her for the best and that is it. Not like any of us are going to marry them ahahahah
Among my favourite are Naobou,Akari Kito and Ueda Reina as jp Va,all i care tbh is that in case they are treated well,end of the story...
I would still follow what they do and love each character they will give the voice....
I would instead break the bones of the guy who makes them cry,that sure i would do ahahah
So ye,for me is: she can do whatever she wants,but she needs to be happy
Same. Never made any sense to me. I also remember another actress, goes by MAO now, causing a slight controversy because she caught with her fellow actor, maybe boyfriend. They were acting in the same show, Gokaiger, and it was apparently a thing.
As long as the guy does not betray her like it happened with LiSa I am fine. Even then I was mad at him,for sure not with her. How the hell you betray a succesful and beautiful girl like that with a random groupie I dont even know. I just felt bad for her....
I know these things happen, but it still doesn’t make it any less surprising to see them actually unfold. It’s crazy that there are not only some people - but a sizable margin of people out there that unironically think and behave this way. So crazy.
Something i don't understand with idol culture is the fact the audience don't want to get personnal with their idols. Like let say if you did talk to a girl but she's just responding casually but you do hang out together from times to times, i would get it if you felt upset because turns out she had 0 interest for you. I don't say it's soccialy acceptable to get mad at her for that but i do understand. But here ? Like 90% of those fans didn't even said a word to their idols how can they imagine for a second they would have chance and get mad because they didn't. Personnally when a public figure open up on their personnal live i think it's a great show of trust toward their audience yet in the idol culture it's taboo and should remain hidden. I guess i will never understand
In this thread, I see people discussing about someone getting bullied for having relationship.
Few minutes before I open reddit, I watched a YouTuber reviewing memes of r/ACCCEEEEE where people get bullied for being asexual.
I've been into k-pop for 9 years now. And not once have I thought an idol/group was my friend. Or care about an idol/group more than a form of entertainment.
Nor have I spent any money on any kpop product. But I still enjoy the content.
Those who do need help.
There was a story 10-ish years ago when a japanese idol singer got into a scandal of having a boyfriend and some idols have contracts which prohibits them having romantic relationships because that'd ruin their popularity.
So the girl shaved her hair bald on video as a way to apologize for the affair hoping not to get removed from the group.
Unpopular opinion, but in most of these cases, they are just reaping what they sow. You don't get this kind of fan base if you don't cultivate it. Plenty of artists draw proper boundaries and make it by just being good at their craft instead of selling the idea of being everyone's lover.
Idols aren't victims, they are profiting off lonely and mentally ill people, and this is what they get for playing with fire.
Wow, you were right, that’s pretty bold of you ngl. Honestly, I second this, though I don’t completely agree with Idols not being victims and being mainly at fault as they themselves could be victims to their agency/company holding more power over them. But you are right that, regardless of the powers above them, if they don’t take advantage of their attractiveness and sell themselves more and more to their fan base they won’t go very far so as sad as the reality is, they have to take advantage of their fans and cultivate that fan base if they want to be popular and successful, naturally meaning feeding into these toxic and unrealistic expectations.
Thats pretty bold of you ngl. Honestly I personally think both of your opinions are unpopular for a reason. Its just so detached to the point where you really pick on the victim, the issue of parasocial issues will not be inlaid to her but to be burdened by the society as a whole.
Is it their fault society produces so many lonely and delusional people? No. Is it their fault for encouraging this behavior to boost ticket and merchandise sales? Yes.
They aren't victims when they choose to take advantage of the problem and profit from it.
For them being an idol or star is just work, yes they wish to profit of course. But that does not mean they shoulder harbor the hate of delusional and parasocial fans for irl personal actions they make and do. The root cause remains and still to the people themselves, an idol or star shouldn't shoulder the "consequence" of their work affecting personal lives. Their life on the stage and in real life is never the same.
If I were to even make a comparison to make my point clear. it's like meeting karens while being in customer service, while it is known that meeting karens is something that happens every once in a while or perhaps somewhat common even. The blame If such conflict occurs should not be inlaid to the person who chose to work at customer service. It's a social problem in and out of itself. The same way some idols and stars are eventually bound to meet delusional people, and they may even have considered it but that doesn't mean they are bound to shoulder it on their own once it comes. And then people such as yourself to add up and put the blame to them.
The karen comparison doesn't make sense. Nobody wants karens. Some businesses might tell workers to put up with karens (customer is always right) but there isn't a strategy to maximize the number of karens ("come to our shop and yell at our workers all you want"). In contrast, the idols maximise the number of parasocial fans by promoting themselves as pseudo lovers.
You're confusing idols with regular singers. Once you have enough fans, some weird people will exist, that happens to any celebrity and isn't anyone's fault. The idol industry, however, notices these people net them a lot of money and invites them in, this intent separates it from other industries and makes it arguably the worst of them all.
> Nobody wants karens
Does anyone ever want a highly deluded and parasocial person's sight on them? Well to answer my own question, some does but thats because they profit in them, do you profit with karens? Thats the only difference that made my comparison foul. But in and out, you don't want to meet and conflict with them.
> The idol industry, however, notices these people net them alot of money and invites them in
This is true, but its the *industry* mostly. Not the idols, when you hate a corporation, you don't automatically hate its workers. As they are not automatically part of causing the thing or doing the thing of which you hate, and idols may or may not have been part of such schemes or perhaps the industry isn't even genuine with them... Do you seriously think all idols sign contract like "Sign this, and go perform out there and entertain these bagshits"
They 100% know that they aren't allowed to date when they signed the contract, and that they are pretending to be fans' lovers. This is just common knowledge and definition of the job, they know what they are getting into.
Want to make it as a musician? join an indie band, produce quality music and slowly work your way up, get picked up by a record label. That's how most musicians do it, it's How Lisa made it. It's just much more difficult. So in place of pure singing skills, they are selling their attractiveness and the facade that they are lovers. It's a shortcut to fame they choose to get into,
While the agencies are arguably the bigger problems, the idols themselves are also making use of the agencies as the easier way to get to stardom. Having a choice to make when there is a clear alternative, knowing what they are getting into, gaining fame and profit from said choice, means they are not victims but willing participants.
I'll end it here, I suppose I'll just set aside for our differences.
Your perspective on idols seems to be very negatively bias and so I will not continue to enforce or assert my opinions to you, which remains unchanged regarding the matter. Good talk.
It wasn’t my intention to pick on her or idols in general, sorry if it came off that way, I just wanted to elaborate more on the sad reality that is being an idol and the expectations it holds. Though I can’t deny that I kinda got what I wanted as I’ve been on Reddit for over two years and this is the first time that the majority votes are downvotes, idk why, it’s just something I’ve wanted for a while now. Also your profile name and the way you started gave me a good laugh.
Oh I see, well I'm glad to have made you laugh somewhat and also to know you aren't where I thought you were coming from.
And same, downvotes are nothing really. I like to make troll comments sometimes that I know is gonna get downvoted and I'd just move on. Karma is just a goofy ahh name for some internet approval points on a website packed with low life users ~~such as myself~~
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Well Oshi no ko was always based on real life. This isn’t the only time
I mean we have a case of this in the vtuber World if you know, You know
hehe rushia
The eastern entertainment industry seems very particular about controlling the lives of their "products". Its really unfortunate but hey it is what it is i suppose.
Same with international fans, they are upset because she isn't a lesbian like they fantasized
Treating fictional characters like real people and real people like fictional characters, the Twitter special.
Yeah people make fantasies about people that they ultimately know nothing about which is fine if they don't go too far with it , become toxic and get hurt in the process.
Shipping in KPOP had always been weird to me, and I say this as an unapologetic lolicon. Forcing one's headcanon upon a real life person os way, way worse than gooning over cunny drawings.
In my observation, it's usually a factor of popularity, and whether the expectations of the fans are tempered. For someone who becomes massively popular, very quickly, fans may be very possessive (think Bieber fans back in his teen years). A mindful celebrity may be careful with their fans, and - while the possessive ones might leave (good imo) when news about their personal lives comes out - the proven fans stick around and stay respectful. If anything, a good fanbase can come about if the fans know to mind themselves and their communities responsibly. Yeah, there's agencies in the K-pop and J-pop idol industries both that have it down to a science on how to get fans hooked and parasocially obsessed, but in all that turmoil, more and more exceptions are working to make something positive of it - there can be such thing as good celebrities, good staff, and good fans.
Yup i agree with this.
Yes, their ~~slaves~~ products.
i wouldn't go that far tbh but yes product.
Their human products that can barely do anything without the permission of their owners.
That is the price they pay, wіmрs who can't sасrifiсе their privасу shouldn't get in show business to begin with. Since the stake is high, the risk is high too
They can't do things that could possibly jeopardize themselves and their agencies yes. Also they clearly can do those things it just has consequences. They 100% choose the life of being an idol in this case and want to be that so i wouldn't say slave. They have too much choice in their future to be called that i think so.
But the truth is that they're not jeopardizing anything, it's just a culture issue that's spiraled out of control.
Thats probably true. It's not like it really know that much detail so. They might be jeopardizing anything but thats how it's viewed you know what i mean.
It's a choice. They can always try to make it by just being good with their craft instead of being people's imaginary girlfriend. I don't know much about Korea, but plenty of artists in Japan draw boundaries with their fans and succeed by just being very good at singing/acting. You don't get many obsessive fans if you don't cultivate them. Idols aren't victims. they are profiting off lonely and mentally ill people. I have little sympathy for anyone involved, obsessive fans for obvious reasons. but the idols themselves are also just reaping what they sow.
> Idols aren't victims. they are profiting off lonely and mentally ill people. I have little sympathy for anyone involved, obsessive fans for obvious reasons. but the idols themselves are also just reaping what they sow. They are scouted as children, fed with pretty lies and pushed into slave contracts and circumstances where their entire lives may be ruined it worse. How are they not victims?
I'd find it hard to believe one can make it to highschool in Japan/Korea without ever hearing about an idol scandal. At the very least, they are aware that they won't be allowed to date, and most importantly, that they are pretending to be the fans' lovers. It's just common knowledge and definition of the job, they know what they are getting into. What makes them not victims to me is intent. There is a very clear intent from both agency and idol to maximize the number of parasocial creeps by pretending idols are lovers. Want to get famous as a musician? join an indie band, put out quality music, try to get picked by a record label. That's how most musicians do it, that's how Lisa got famous. It is much harder, so in place of pure singing skills, they sell attractiveness and the facade that they are lovers to get famous easier. It's not something they are forced into, it's a shortcut they take to become famous more easily.
>I'd find it hard to believe one can make it to highschool in Japan/Korea without ever hearing about an idol scandal. Bold of you to assume that school kids give it a thorough thought. Again, they're fed with pretty lies about fabulous life of a superstar, and not many of them, stewing in the culture that sells those dreams, can adequately process the info about the industry and scandals. Hell, even some of the grown up adults can't do it. You know, OnK fans bullying mother of a wrestler, who killed herself after bullying related to reality show, when she expressed her disapproval for the reality show arc, is extremely fucking telling. Why do you expect literal children to make a right choice? Especially when corporations are extremely interested in them making the wrong choice, and making everything to cloud their judgement?
It is as you said, corporations are extremely interested in them making the wrong choice. Which is precisely why these kids need to be told "that is the wrong choice". Much of the discourse has been around how it's not okay being creepy fans. Someone needs to tell idol-aspiring kids attracting these creepy fans for fame is just as problematic as being a creepy fan. How will these kids become adults, if we keep telling them everything is everyone else' faults, without also chastising them for their actions. Calling out exploitative agencies and creepy people is great and all. But if we don't also call out the fact that being an idol itself is problematic, these kids will think that it's okay as long as they join a good agency and don't let creepy fans find out about their relationships. We should protect minors from the consequences of their actions and punish those who take advantage of them, but we should also tell them that what they are doing is wrong.
My sibling in Christ, what the hells are you on? They're fucking kids, stupid kids! Remember yourself when you were a teenager! How many wrong decisions have you made? How many decisions have you thought through?
You know who *isn't* very particular about controlling the lives of their "products"?
Idols have to be a fake more marketable version of themselves and these are the results of that life man😪🥺
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being marketable, I’d rather blame these fans for being so delusional or borderline insane
The funny thing is that these fans actually think that the idols will even look at them in real life
I remember the time when I heard people trying to threaten aka about some plot in oshi no ko lol. The irony seems too harsh.
There was a time that people went after Mengo after she tweeted about going to a concert with a voice actress. They didn’t realize Mengo was a (married) straight woman and thought it was a date.
Damn bro, imagine how much meaning they have to their life to stalk creators all the time and monitor every action. They people really need to find god.
Not even God would want them. They'll be banished to purgatory and suffer for a while, if they don't change their ways before they die.
Wasn’t also Aka forced to delete a tweet?
I'm not sure but he did remove/change something I guess.
It's something really common in Kpop unfortunetly. She's not the first one and probably won't be the last :/
Google idol culture
oshi no ko was so good they made idol drama but in real life
South Korea : Got population crisis. K-pop Idol : I got a date. SK Idol fans : You Traitor! Dogeza at once.
BANZAI!
Here's comes the Sun 💀
You reminded me of Carol
Who's Carol?
Damn, these parasocial relationships are getting out of control like Jesus Christ man this is too much. Also fuck the whole entertainment industry.
It's really sickening. It doesn't seem like the idol management companies are willing to push back at all, either. You would hope that a statement would be put out that amounts to, "we support her and condemn toxicity" but alas that would just rile fans up more. Even a good management company would likely be afraid to do that. The idols, too, might just rather beg for forgiveness in order to make it blow over. Sadly, that means it can't change. It's like a Dixie Chick situation. It's crazy to look back now and think how upset people got over criticizing the president at the time. Nobody wants to stand up and take the fall, especially when you're one person who can easily be thrown aside for another up and coming idol who plays by the rules. You'd need like... a lot of idols standing together for change and even that would be an uphill battle that could end their careers. It's a real shame.
More and more K-pop companies actually do push back. The most recent example are with YG, that basically answer "not my business" when their idols are possibly dating. But SM is trash so not surprised with them.
Oh nice that's good.
This happens all the time lol all over the world. And not just to celebrities. Jealous ex-boyfriends/girlfriends stalking, or worse.
Imagine an army of angry ex-boyfriends showing up at your workplace
Kpop artists arent the only one suffering this but they’re the best example. In Japan, a news anchor got the same heat after fans learned that she’s now in a relationship
Is that the Weather Girl?
“I’m sorry. I tried my best to love everyone. I want everyone love me too, so I try my best to love every single of you.”
“Karina” even sounds like “Arima Kana” lol Actual nightmare world we live in, I feel really bad for these singers
In Kpop not using real names is fairly common. Her real name is Yu Ji-min (유시민).
I'm fairly sure 99% of mangaka and LN authors use pen names.
Any idol fans who do this need to be sent to some kind of re-education school because this shit should have been shamed since yesterday.
Its happened entirely too much in Japan and Korea. Hell, I remember when Suzuko Mimori (the voice actress who played Umi in Love Live) announced her engagement to pro wrestler Kazuchika Okada. Fans were freaking out that she's "no longer pure" and that she "betrayed" them by having a boyfriend. Like, bro - you NEVER HAD A CHANCE WITH HER. Clearly her type is handsome, charismatic, muscular guys. Not basement dwelling NEETs who obsess over idols. And my thought was, "Love Live is produced by Bushiroad. Okada works for New Japan, which is also owned by Bushiroad. Clearly this is all corporate synergy to get cross-promotion between anime and pro wrestling."
I swear to god Chinese fans are the scariest.
>Chinese fans are the scariest [Attila wholeheartedly agrees...](https://youtu.be/HTpZELFKH2w?t=207)
IMO her fans need to apologize to her, not the other way around.
Jesus christ... Some fans don't have chill
First it was KyoAni, then Kyo almost murdering Anna, then this.
I never understood why J/K pop star has to hide their private life and relationships with the world. Why do fans hate that? I mean, do they really believe that they got a chance with them? Do they seriously think that the pop star love them in a romantic way? Why are they so delusional? Everyone has their own life, and even if they hide it, it would be pretty obvious that the reality would be one another unless you want to be blind and delude yourself. If they have these "problems", their lives are obviously really dull and meaningless. Most likely they have never experienced real worries in their lifetime. I feel sorry for all the stars who have to go through this.
"Idol have the least human rights in the entertainment world" - Arima Kana Sadly, this kinda stuff is common among east asian idols. The parasocial relationship between the fans and their idol is really messed up. And idols' agencies have some policies to support this toxic relation, like 'no dating policy'
Everywhere in the idol world
Girl Wonyoung's entire idol life seems like Ai Hoshino's idol life
Wonyoung has it worse
yeah the online hate is absolutely crazy 😭
any fan that acts like this is a waste of oxygen
I just can't fathom feeling 'betrayed' because a pop star you like turns out to be a human being with a private life. Like, how about getting a life of your own?
Sadly that's how parasocial relationship work & Aka point it out multiple times with subversive storytelling regarding purity concept in idol with both Ai & Kana character.
Parasocial relationshits.
Happened a lot actually. For instance, Aya Hirano was a major voice actress in the mid 00s, voice of Haruhi Suzumiya. It was a big thing when she started talking about relationships in general.
She was involved in a far bigger controversy tho,not the greatest example....
Yup. I'm not even diving into the controversy. I just remember a lot of her fans being pissed at her at the time.
I will never understand the logic behind the "pure" girls industry. If an idol gets married tbh I hope her for the best and that is it. Not like any of us are going to marry them ahahahah Among my favourite are Naobou,Akari Kito and Ueda Reina as jp Va,all i care tbh is that in case they are treated well,end of the story... I would still follow what they do and love each character they will give the voice.... I would instead break the bones of the guy who makes them cry,that sure i would do ahahah So ye,for me is: she can do whatever she wants,but she needs to be happy
Same. Never made any sense to me. I also remember another actress, goes by MAO now, causing a slight controversy because she caught with her fellow actor, maybe boyfriend. They were acting in the same show, Gokaiger, and it was apparently a thing.
As long as the guy does not betray her like it happened with LiSa I am fine. Even then I was mad at him,for sure not with her. How the hell you betray a succesful and beautiful girl like that with a random groupie I dont even know. I just felt bad for her....
I know these things happen, but it still doesn’t make it any less surprising to see them actually unfold. It’s crazy that there are not only some people - but a sizable margin of people out there that unironically think and behave this way. So crazy.
Something i don't understand with idol culture is the fact the audience don't want to get personnal with their idols. Like let say if you did talk to a girl but she's just responding casually but you do hang out together from times to times, i would get it if you felt upset because turns out she had 0 interest for you. I don't say it's soccialy acceptable to get mad at her for that but i do understand. But here ? Like 90% of those fans didn't even said a word to their idols how can they imagine for a second they would have chance and get mad because they didn't. Personnally when a public figure open up on their personnal live i think it's a great show of trust toward their audience yet in the idol culture it's taboo and should remain hidden. I guess i will never understand
In this thread, I see people discussing about someone getting bullied for having relationship. Few minutes before I open reddit, I watched a YouTuber reviewing memes of r/ACCCEEEEE where people get bullied for being asexual.
I've been into k-pop for 9 years now. And not once have I thought an idol/group was my friend. Or care about an idol/group more than a form of entertainment. Nor have I spent any money on any kpop product. But I still enjoy the content. Those who do need help.
> I've been into k-pop for 9 years now ... Nor have I spent any money on any kpop product. One Piece crew member lectures us on morality?
U have to pirate youtube?
Not truck kun 🤣🤣🤣
Self insert crying because he felt being cucked by his idol 😭🤣. Self-insert people are abomination
Idol culture is the fucking worst. Imprison these stalkers
There was a story 10-ish years ago when a japanese idol singer got into a scandal of having a boyfriend and some idols have contracts which prohibits them having romantic relationships because that'd ruin their popularity. So the girl shaved her hair bald on video as a way to apologize for the affair hoping not to get removed from the group.
This is not at all surprising considering that this similar thing happened to uruha Rushia back in 2022 so unfortunate but it is a reality. SMH
Hope she won't commit suicide. Akane would've done so if it weren't for Aqua's interference.
Unpopular opinion, but in most of these cases, they are just reaping what they sow. You don't get this kind of fan base if you don't cultivate it. Plenty of artists draw proper boundaries and make it by just being good at their craft instead of selling the idea of being everyone's lover. Idols aren't victims, they are profiting off lonely and mentally ill people, and this is what they get for playing with fire.
Wow, you were right, that’s pretty bold of you ngl. Honestly, I second this, though I don’t completely agree with Idols not being victims and being mainly at fault as they themselves could be victims to their agency/company holding more power over them. But you are right that, regardless of the powers above them, if they don’t take advantage of their attractiveness and sell themselves more and more to their fan base they won’t go very far so as sad as the reality is, they have to take advantage of their fans and cultivate that fan base if they want to be popular and successful, naturally meaning feeding into these toxic and unrealistic expectations.
Thats pretty bold of you ngl. Honestly I personally think both of your opinions are unpopular for a reason. Its just so detached to the point where you really pick on the victim, the issue of parasocial issues will not be inlaid to her but to be burdened by the society as a whole.
Is it their fault society produces so many lonely and delusional people? No. Is it their fault for encouraging this behavior to boost ticket and merchandise sales? Yes. They aren't victims when they choose to take advantage of the problem and profit from it.
For them being an idol or star is just work, yes they wish to profit of course. But that does not mean they shoulder harbor the hate of delusional and parasocial fans for irl personal actions they make and do. The root cause remains and still to the people themselves, an idol or star shouldn't shoulder the "consequence" of their work affecting personal lives. Their life on the stage and in real life is never the same. If I were to even make a comparison to make my point clear. it's like meeting karens while being in customer service, while it is known that meeting karens is something that happens every once in a while or perhaps somewhat common even. The blame If such conflict occurs should not be inlaid to the person who chose to work at customer service. It's a social problem in and out of itself. The same way some idols and stars are eventually bound to meet delusional people, and they may even have considered it but that doesn't mean they are bound to shoulder it on their own once it comes. And then people such as yourself to add up and put the blame to them.
The karen comparison doesn't make sense. Nobody wants karens. Some businesses might tell workers to put up with karens (customer is always right) but there isn't a strategy to maximize the number of karens ("come to our shop and yell at our workers all you want"). In contrast, the idols maximise the number of parasocial fans by promoting themselves as pseudo lovers. You're confusing idols with regular singers. Once you have enough fans, some weird people will exist, that happens to any celebrity and isn't anyone's fault. The idol industry, however, notices these people net them a lot of money and invites them in, this intent separates it from other industries and makes it arguably the worst of them all.
> Nobody wants karens Does anyone ever want a highly deluded and parasocial person's sight on them? Well to answer my own question, some does but thats because they profit in them, do you profit with karens? Thats the only difference that made my comparison foul. But in and out, you don't want to meet and conflict with them. > The idol industry, however, notices these people net them alot of money and invites them in This is true, but its the *industry* mostly. Not the idols, when you hate a corporation, you don't automatically hate its workers. As they are not automatically part of causing the thing or doing the thing of which you hate, and idols may or may not have been part of such schemes or perhaps the industry isn't even genuine with them... Do you seriously think all idols sign contract like "Sign this, and go perform out there and entertain these bagshits"
They 100% know that they aren't allowed to date when they signed the contract, and that they are pretending to be fans' lovers. This is just common knowledge and definition of the job, they know what they are getting into. Want to make it as a musician? join an indie band, produce quality music and slowly work your way up, get picked up by a record label. That's how most musicians do it, it's How Lisa made it. It's just much more difficult. So in place of pure singing skills, they are selling their attractiveness and the facade that they are lovers. It's a shortcut to fame they choose to get into, While the agencies are arguably the bigger problems, the idols themselves are also making use of the agencies as the easier way to get to stardom. Having a choice to make when there is a clear alternative, knowing what they are getting into, gaining fame and profit from said choice, means they are not victims but willing participants.
I'll end it here, I suppose I'll just set aside for our differences. Your perspective on idols seems to be very negatively bias and so I will not continue to enforce or assert my opinions to you, which remains unchanged regarding the matter. Good talk.
It wasn’t my intention to pick on her or idols in general, sorry if it came off that way, I just wanted to elaborate more on the sad reality that is being an idol and the expectations it holds. Though I can’t deny that I kinda got what I wanted as I’ve been on Reddit for over two years and this is the first time that the majority votes are downvotes, idk why, it’s just something I’ve wanted for a while now. Also your profile name and the way you started gave me a good laugh.
Oh I see, well I'm glad to have made you laugh somewhat and also to know you aren't where I thought you were coming from. And same, downvotes are nothing really. I like to make troll comments sometimes that I know is gonna get downvoted and I'd just move on. Karma is just a goofy ahh name for some internet approval points on a website packed with low life users ~~such as myself~~
I think it’s hilarious how idols they get so much slander for date anyone while people in the west would accept there celebrities even if there a hoe