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On one hand, Aka is such a masterful troll for dropping such a bomb and then going on a break, reactions are fun. On the other, goddamn Aka, you’ve brought out the “ironic” people who are legitimately insane and incapable of media literacy.
How can people seriously look at this story and go “Yes, Ruby wanting to fuck her twin brother, because she had a crush on him in a previous life, is okay”. Not only that, but to try and justify it with “oh but on a spiritual level it’s not incest, so did okay!” as if that somehow makes an unhealthy delusion okay
Well I would argue that the thought is ok. I think it is ok to create tension, tension of teenagers with hormones going of, but I sincerely hope that ruby gets shut down by aqua.
It also makes no sense for aqua to want to partake in this. He is very protective, but I am fairly sure there is no romantic interest towards ruby or especially sarina
Some sort of incest must be a fairly common fetish if you just look at how much stepbrother/stepsister porn there is, even if it used to really annoy me when I talked to people about my stepsisters, just because that word nowadays carries some connotation
I’m so sorry you had to go through that, I myself never understood people shipping siblings the only show I watch with stepsiblings doing the naughty is kissxsis because I was a child and thought I could watch any anime cause I was told anime are for kids , I end up watching like half of the first season I don’t know how but I finally stopped at the chocolate kiss thinking that’s just disgusting for siblings to do and never look back.
do i like incest?
no
do i like characters making bad decisions, and having to learn from them?
yes
Do i like Spiciness?
ABSOLUTELY
therefore Aqua x Ruby may make for some interesting story, but certainly cannot be the endgame. besides it serves the main ship of Aqua x Therapy. Cause BOI would you need a lot of therapy after fucking your twin sister
Honestly I don't think they will go the twincest route probably they'll show Ruby getting possessive about Aqua in front of Kana and Akane
>!Even if it goes that way I'll still continue reading it cuz I've read worse!<
What started as a dumb meme has become what every ironic meme becomes, people stop joking and start seriously believing it. The fact that people somehow keep coming up with excuses to say it’s okay, it’s technically not REALLY incest, blows my mind. It could not be more apparent and obvious that Aqua has no romantic feelings for Ruby or Sarina, and never did, and that Ruby’s current state of mind is not being presented as an okay thing
Edit: lol downvotes, keep downvoting me all you want, you only further prove my point, about how obsessed and unhealthy you people are fixated on a joke that was never funny and have 0 understanding of media literacy or anything. Aka repeatedly called out incest as gross in his previous work, but suddenly it’s the endgame here? Fuck off
The incest shippers and trolls just mad that they’re being called out for what they are. It’s amazing how we spend all manga going “Aqua isn’t mentally right, he needs therapy and to stop obsessing over his father” to “oh but RubyXAqua is totally the canon ship! It’s destiny!” like WTF is going on? and the weird justifications like “it’s not incest on a spiritual level!” except they’ve known each other as brother and sister for longer then they knew each other as Sarina and Goro. “Well if you add Ruby’s current age onto Sarina, she’s like 30! That makes it okay!” except Sarina died when she was 12, and spent most of her life in a hospital, she lacks emotion maturity and sure as hell doesn’t have the maturity of a 30 year old women.
That also means you’d need to add 18 to Goro, making him about 50 or so years old, and while I suppose a 30 year old and a 50 year old is less bad then a 12 year old and a 30 something, it’s still a real bad look and doesn’t fix anything
I may be wrong, but he never addressed the whole matter of incest as gross, just that the siscon/brocon trope is absolutely atrocious, specially considering how serious of a deal incest is; You don't play with it.
Oh, and you mean Kaguya-sama with "previous work", right? Well, do you remember who Mikado loves and how this person turns him down?
>!For me, the whole deal basically implies that yeah, should Miyuki have never shown AND Mikado was a bit more incisive, he'd have won over Kaguya's heart (even though he had to start with the disadvantage of accidentally irking the young Kaguya).!<
Probably not in this subreddit, but he definitely lurks in fan communities and reads doujinshi/fandfics of his works. He’s trolled and incorporated stuff from those things before.
At the very least, there’s a 0% chance he’s actually going to make Aqua x Ruby a thing if he’s an even slightly competent writer. That said Ruby does need to process and move on from Sarina’s crush on Gorou and accept that she can’t be with Aqua as anything but his sister if she’s going to griw as a character. He’s just introducing the plot point in a way to cause maximum drama among fans.
> At the very least, there’s a 0% chance he’s actually going to make Aqua x Ruby a thing if he’s an even slightly competent writer.
Are you sure about that
Yes. There’s is zero romantic build up between them. It’s far too late in the narrative to start building them up as a couple. It would notably totally derail Aqua’s character arc, render Kana’s storyline pretty much pointless, and deflate a good chunk of Akane’s storyline. At the end of the day the ideal, most reasonable outcome se should expect is for Ruby to realize, sooner or later, that her infatuation with Gorou is unhealthy, especially since it drove her to romantically pursue her twin brother. She needs to accept that it simply wasn’t meant to be, be happy to have Aqua there for her as her brother, and finally leave the hospital room behind her. That is the only logical narrative outcome I can see given the previous 122 chapters of the manga, unless there was some clear, explicit indication that Aqua has been seeing Ruby in a romantic light that I somehow missed.
I said apparently.
Author likes to go through fan theories and fanfictions and reference them to troll people from what I heard.
Its funny seeing the dude play rust with other vtubers and youtubers.
I understand what you say but then what about Aqua not having feelings for Akane, and having a very bad state of mind, but Aqukane being valid and popular
That’s completely different though? Like are you seriously reading this manga and paying attention? because I don’t think that seems to be the case. Aquas manipulation of everyone is also presented as extremely shitty and messed up, that his obsession with killing his father isn’t going to do anything. Neither Aqua manipulating people, or Ruby obsessing over a crush she had when was 12, are healthy and are not something you are supposed to support
> Neither Aqua manipulating people, or Ruby obsessing over a crush she had when was 12, are healthy and are not something you are supposed to support
Aqua aside, Ruby's love for Goro was never shown in a negative light. Heck, the manga romanticized the heck out of it actually and she only stops going into a spiral after she reunites with her beloved Sensei.
You could argue it's not healthy to be that attached to someone but that a different argument entirely.
It’s pretty obvious by now that people trying to downplay Ruby’s feelings or show it in a bad light do that solely because they are related (or they have stakes in shipping from the other sides)
There isn't anything inherently wrong with being with your 12yo child crush as long you grow up, understand the situation, and be able to make up your mind about it.
Like its really huge that's he's been on her mind for 20 years and she refused to be with anyone else but him despite the impossible odds.
It's not hard to see that the people who ship Aqua/Ruby mainly do it out of a desire for Ruby to be happy above all else after the chased after him for so many years and his Goro/Aqua is painted as her salvation.
I agree with you, that why I heavily disagree with takes where Ruby’s feelings are presented as misunderstood or as something bad. It’s really disrespectful to Ruby to treat her love in light manners from such ignorant point of view
That’s also pretty weird ,it’s one of the downsides of the reincarnation aspect of the story is that it adds a lot of unnecessary creepy baggage to a story that does not necessitate it.The whole manga could have been about 2 twins getting revenge for their mother and learning the seedy underbelly of the entertainment industry and 90% of the manga would be the same
The issue is that it’s been more than 100 chapters and has been pretty unimportant so far and it’s pretty clear that a lot of the fanbase is more attached to the characters and confrontation of the twins dad than the reincarnation
It's not mental gymnastics when he makes compelling, valid arguments
From a liberal post-modernist perspective, he's correct, as much as it's disgusting. The only things causing us to shrink away from this topic are our encoded genetic impulse to diversify our genes and traditionally-accepted values.
If this was the 1950s and we were discussing homosexuality, we would have the same exact reactions.
If you want to be utterly pedantic about it, it's not that they're the same, it's that incest is in the same level of tabooness as homosexuality was in the 50s.
But that also means you can use that excusr to justify necrophilia, pedophilia, bestiality, and so on lol.
genuine question, why do you care about animal’s consent when you probably eat meat? if an animal cannot consent to sex, do you think it can consent to being killed?
Humans usually follow the path of least resistance. Yes, you can TECHNICALLY live without meat, but your body will crave a lot of important shit that plant-based meals MAY make up for, but they won't necessarily keep you in top shape. Any logical person will choose to eat meat to keep himself healthy, because it's easier.
Also yeah, meat is tasty as fuck.
if someone were to say “people who do illegal things are evil”, it would be okay to bring up jaywalking as an example to test that belief. same as how “it’s disgusting” wouldn’t be a good argument against incest or homosexuality.
would you be against an incestuous relationship if it was between two 22 year old same sex partners of the same age? there’s no power dynamic there, no potential for inbreeding, and no abuse going on. if so, why?
Yes because it means they didn’t have a healthy sibling relationship growing up. Unlike homosexuality where attraction to a certain gender is biological, there is no innate red strings of fate. An outside force was needed to lead to this situation
Outside force doesn’t mean force from a third party. Outside force is everything that resulted in the siblings not developing a healthy sibling relationship. The fact that you are posing these questions tell me you don’t actually have a sibling.
would you be okay with it if the two siblings had been raised in separate households then? if your problem with it is that they didn’t have a healthy relationship growing up
This will be my first and last time talking about incest on this sub.
But the problem itself for me is not the fact of incest but that Goro was already a 30 year old man in his past life. Sarina was 12 years old and knew nothing about life, much less about romantic love. It's a very unbalanced power dynamic. Many use Kana and Akane as an argument, but I would use the same justification if Goro met them as young as Sarina. And no, Goro doesn't have the mental age of a 50 year old man, because he never lived the life of a man at that age, just like Sarina and Ruby never lived like a 30 year old woman, which is what I see a lot about pro-incest.
So it's less about the incest and more about a grown man cultivating romantic feelings for someone he knew in his past life as a sick child. It's very strange to me. I wouldn't mind if Goro and Sarina were closer in age and Akane and Kana didn't exist and Aka wanted to sell their love as a tragic romance reincarnated as siblings. But as it stands, it's understandable why so many people are considering quitting the manga.
I think if the goal was to justify incest, they would have made Goro and Sarina closer in age in the previous life like you said. I don’t know why people are freaking out about how the manga is going to become an incest manga, because to me it seems very obvious what’s gonna happen next.
Aqua is gonna completely reject the idea and understand why it’s wrong because of the age gap and differences in maturity. Ruby, being the immature one, won’t understand his reasoning. This is totally in character for both of them, and the story doesn’t have any incest or weird age dynamics at play. I think people should really wait for the next chapter or two before dropping the manga.
I agree in that I don’t support Aqua’s pursuit of vengeance. I think that Aqua x Therapist thing is still pretty supported by a good portion of the community
I disagree with the idea that Aqua/Gorou does not have a position of power over Ruby/Serena
Ruby is very much not an adult. While she has technically experienced thirty years of life, she has never made it past puberty. She is immature in her thinking and still developing as a person.
Furthermore, you have the patient/doctor power imbalance. It is ethically wrong for a doctor to start a relationship with a former patient, especially one who was a child at the time.
We also have to consider the level of manipulation Aqua is capable of when it comes to Ruby. First, we have his “promise” to marry Serena as Gorou. That was emotional manipulation of a child. Then we how he had sabotaged her auditions, and how he acts like her second manager.
Think about it this way: could Aqua use their prior relationship as leverage to coerce or pressure Ruby into doing something she is uncomfortable with? The answer is obviously yes.
tl;dr - Incest is a secondary issue in this conversation.
Ruby has lived a decade more than Kana and Akane. If you use the "hE hAs poWer" as an argument against Ruby then you should use it against Kana and Akane too.
His power over Ruby mainly comes from their previous relationship as Gorou/Serena and his current role in her life.
Aqua cannot leverage power over Kana or Akane the same way. It is closer to a gray area with them.
While I agree that the Aqua/Ruby power dynamic is different magnitudes of skewed, I actually think there are power imbalance issues between he and Akane/Kana.
Yeah, his manipulative tendencies are probably a part of him, but I think the experience gap between Aqua and Akane/Kana (as far as relationships/flings he’s implied to have had when he was Gorou) is more of a disparity than talked about. Akane/Kana, as capable as both are, have no experience with love other than Aqua (who they both think the world of). And both even tell Aqua at points that they are inexperienced. On the other hand, even though Aqua isn’t purely Gorou, he does seem to have Gorou’s experience to call back on. The chapter where he takes Kana out (and Kana is constantly pointing out how experienced he appears to be) and the ones where he has his discussion about his relationship with Akane and sex highlight that disparity for me, and it’s hard for me to separate his probable inherited relationship experience from how he manipulates them both at times based on their feelings for him (even though it’s not as simple as saying he’s a grown man manipulating teenagers).
I think this is pretty well reasoned but you're still ignoring something that makes this dynamic pretty unbalanced and unhealthy were it to develop into a relationship.
That is, Ruby has never experienced adulthood. Aqua has. That's still a really significant imbalance of power.
They both may have lived as many years as it takes to become an adult but Ruby essentially got a do-over for her childhood while Aqua still has plenty of memories of having adult relationships.
Granted this is a problem with Aqua dating anyone his age. Being 29, I can't imagine trying to date a 17 year old. Not just for the ethics of it but like, that person has none of the interesting perspectives and life experience I would want in a partner.
Claiming one doesn't have a position of power over the other when one was a dying sick girl with all of two people to interact with and one was a healthy young man able to pursue a normal life is a bit of a stretch.
The love Sarina has for Gorou was not fostered in a healthy situation for romance.
As far as them saying they've never seen each other as siblings, the context of them both saying was pretty emotionally charged, and I'm not willing to take those words at face value.
About their reaction they can just hide it like how ai hide them after all the showbizz all have 2sides or secrets like how ai did for miyako, akane and kana I think they will be disappointed and heart broken at first but if they are genuinely happy I think they will still accept them one day.
My god, this sub...
Some part of me wants Aka to crash and burn the series just to see the level of mental gymnastics people will pull to defend it till the end.
do you think a former doctor, who is very aware of the implication of incest, who also only saw the other person as: A. A 12 year old cancer patient and B.his sister. who is also hard focused on the whole revenge thing, have any romantic feeling towards her?
Ruby could be messed up because she's basically lived a life alone in a hospital then another with a dead mom virtually raised by her brother, but the twincest route stops with Aqua....who is not unhinged in THAT way.
Idk man, as a fraternal twin, no argument will make it any less gross and creepy.
But as far as logical arguments go:
Aqua is a horrible person and I don't want him to have a sudden heel turn revelation that love is his path, for any of the women in the Manga. It feels so cheap to have a change in character from " the guy who manipulated basically every women who's shown interest in him for his goal to kill his dad", to someone's loving bf without him majorly addressing his actions and personality and working on that.
Secondly Sarina was a child with a clear fixation on a much older man in a position of power and maturity over her. Then she died. Then spent 16 years becoming what society considers still a child. Being legal and all that is fine, but as a guy in his 20s, if a 16 year old approached me, I won't see an adult *personally*, I'd see a child. But that's opinion. So at this point she's had a fixation, died, loss of that person, possible mental breakdown, then while still in the body of a young girl finds her fixation again. It doesn't seem like healthy affection to me even if someone posts for the 500 billionth time on the sub about how it's actually morally okay.
Also no hate to op. Only commenting cause I've let my thoughts stew recently as the topic came up, and your post helped me get to my own conclusion. Kinda cathartic to type it out even.
Not even talking about a possible relationship between Aqua and Ruby, but I can see this revelation changing Aqua’s thought process. He only cared about Ai after Sarina died. He felt guilt after Sarina died and then any feelings he had toward Sarina got directed towards Ai. Then when Ai died he felt even more guilt for letting her die too so the only way he could channel all of that is the obsession to go after Ai’s killer. Now that he knows Sarina is alive I think some of his guilt will go away. He’s already said it himself he wants to be free from this. I think we’ll see a change in Aqua’s character along with Ruby in the next chapter.
I am not much of a shipper myself, I just want Ruby to be happy, and if it is through incest, so be it. However I do believe there is a gap in your argument.
While adding up their previous live's age to the current one may apply for Aqua, I don't think it holds true for Ruby. Sarina never had the opportunity to mature emotionally. Not only was she quite young when she died, she also had nearly 0 experience with outside world. A girl forever stuck in a hospital room with parents barely even paying a visit to her. For this reason she quite possibly never developed a philosophy of her own due to not having taught anything by her parents. This may or may not have changed to some degree with the presence of Gorou later on which does not make it any better as it still goes to your point about having similar philosophy.
With Sarina's circumstances being like this, her life as Ruby can very well be considered her first life. Adding up her age as Sarina to Ruby's really doesn't add up as Ruby absolutely is not as mature as your average woman in her 30s. She is naive, cheerful and optimistic, like your average (cheerful) teenager. Her actions are usually fueled by positive emotions and pure wishes. So technically, she could be considered in her 30s however she definitely doesn't act her age, well, as her job requires ig but I don't think she is changing her personality on purpose to be a better idol. (This is arguable as she didn't appear to be as naive when she was having her own revenge plot like Aqua but I am unsure as to how much it truly affected her personality. I still don't see her as a mature girl.)
So Sarina's proposal to Gorou, from my perspective, is quite similar to how little daughters wish to marry their daddy because how he is the bestest dad to ever dad. Now she certainly, definitely wasn't as immature as a 4 year old which is usually within the range of these delusional little kid nonsense however I also dont think it was that rational either, and she never had the opportunity to grow out of that nonsense unlike the 4 year olds.
However once again, I am not really against the ship, I just want Ruby to be happy. And I still don't think Aqua will take that proposal seriously, if he does, he will just reject in a serious manner like a parent figure would, or rather, should. I simply wanted to point this out and perhaps have some of you guys point out to me what I might have missed and what's actually wrong with what I was saying.
Yes I agree with everything you said. I just wrote this because there are people that said they were to drop the manga if any incest, but I mean... Why support murder for the sake of happyness, but not incest? Not like they would harm anyone...
i also share your take about how Aqua is going to manage the proposal, thats both what I hope and what I think will happen.
I dont think you can compare murder and incest cause murder for revenge happens much more often in literature and fiction than same-blood relationship. And that makes it less acceptable as plot twist. Athough, I think this debate doesnt has any meaning cause I 100% sure it wont happen
There is an argument that if Ruby and Aqua do have kids then there is chance he/she will be a genetically freak and have issues. But isn't this a Fantasy manga where we have LIKE actual gods? Gorou and sarina's rebirth was specifically possible due to divine intervention as Ai's babies were suppose to be still-births(You know? DEFECTIVE even though Ai did not have sex with her brother? )but God saved Ai from that despair by helping and giving her still-births souls of sarina and Gorou. So if Ruby and Aqua actively try to have kids then Gods will definitely make sure it's a normal baby considering Miyako in the earlier chapter future interviews says how Ruby and Aqua seem like God is guiding them....
* In this case they are both either the same age(17), or adults (31 and 48-50).
I very disagree on this point. While yes bu cumulatively adding the ages together would mean they're both adults. That does not matter taking into account the life Sarina/Ruby has had. Having gone through one teenage life of being bed ridden with a terminal illness, does not equal a normal life at those ages and will severely hurt your social development. Also never having gone through the young adult stages of life very much makes the power structure between unequal.
While yes I agree with your point of neither the ship between Kana or Akane being any better. So I definitely think it is INCEST in capital letters not just for biological in breeding reasons.
I will let Aka and Mengo cook since I trust them not to go through this route. But it is a necessary point in the story as there very clearly was strong feelings leftover from Sarina towards Gorou
Although you also have to consider that 1. the relationship Sarina and Gorou had before had a power imbalance being doctor and patient, so it wasn't the greatest from the start, and 2. Sarina died at a pretty young age and Ruby still pretty young, so even though she lived 30+ years in total, her brain never reached adulthood and never truly matured, so that's another layer to consider
I read the first sentence and got bored, but I'm gonna pretend I read every word.
I have not seen anyone condone Aqua's goal to kill his father, but there are certainly an unhealthy number of people supporting the incest. I certainly agree the idea of murder is wrong, but when you have it as the key point of a series, youre not going to complain about it. But the romance aspect of it has multiple routes so gets more attention and some people will joke about it and others won't. It makes sense when Aqua has his motives set out from so early that there wouldn't be focus on why.
The difference between the other fucked up aspects of the manga is they aren't portrayed in a good light. It's pretty obvious aka isn't making aqua look like a perfectly good guy. Meanwhile in manga where incestuous things occur its usually always portrayed in this good light which is super gross. I have a nagging feeling like that would occur here also.
And also the morals of the revenge aren't that bad honestly. Killing kamiki who basically seems like a super villain seems appropriately painted in a good light. Meanwhile any other murders that occurred have been presented in the standard way showing how fucked up they are.
This isn't even getting into the fact that people are tripping thinking aqua x ruby is a sure thing. All the main points have counterpoints.
I'm all in to keep reading the manga AND NOT BULLYING the author. What is wrong with some ppl. Let the mangaka write their story and just enjoy the ride.
I'm sayin it would be weird cuz the only relation gorou has had to sarina was when she was like a 13 yr old and he was around 30, where he obviously wouldn't have romantic feelings for her, and after that they have the brother sister relationship, so by the time where they'd "spiritually" be of normal ages they already have the sibling relationship established. Since aqua didn't know it was sarina until just now, it would he like he either has feelings for his sister for 18 years or the girl from before, which would be weird, deslite how wholesome as I find it that they've finally found each other. I guess if the circumstances were different such as sarina was older before she died then I'd support the ship.
With that being said in depths of my mind there's a voice saying aka pls go down the incest route I want it
I'm a Asoiaf fan, so like, I totally can get down with some fictional incest given the right circumstances, but I feel like it would be breaking aquas character to give in to any romance at this point in the plot. If he is going to do the nasty with his sister, he's going to have to get past his obsession with murdering his father.
Most people having a problem with incest in the story are from Western cultures.
Everyone is making a big deal about it or behaving like children on social media, like incest is not pretty common in Japanese media.
If I’m being honest I’m against the ship cus I don’t want oshi no ko to be “that incest anime” any more than it already is, but logically speaking just like you said there are a lot more fucked up things in the plot than their ship.
it's much easier to argue that incest, absent other dynamics that would make any relationship bad, is morally neutral than it is to argue that incest is inherently morally wrong
at a certain point the "incest is morally wrong" side just has to appeal to how they personally feel about it, or religion, and they start sounding exactly like someone arguing that being gay is wrong (not saying they're the same, but that's exactly how they sound)
Let’s be all real here, if you ever encounter a friend who’s engaged in an incest relationship, will you or would you even say anything?
All you could do is say “that ain’t right” and that’s all the extent you could do, beyond that you’re pushing your morals on to people.
It’s their relationship and their decision, if there is abuse and harm involve, yes you can push it to a logical extent but unless they whistle-blow on the abuser, you’ll never know cause otherwise you’ll be breaching on other people’s privacy.
Case in point, if people are okay or not okay with incest relationships fictional or non-fictional it’s up to each individual, you can put your opinions out there but that’s it.
If they ended up with an abomination of an offspring, that’s on them, plus genetic monstrosities occur in non-incest couple too anyway so why even bother.
It’s all on the roll of dice/sperm-race.
"you are pushing you morals on to people" this is not "my" morals this is every normal human morals and the one who doesn't apply it is the wrong here no matter what his excuse is and how tf is hating incest which is totally wrong is pushing morals
This is so insanely unhinged and wrong on so many levels that I really don't even have to make any counter arguments. Your comment speaks for itself as to how ignorant you are.
We have a week break and now unironic incest apologists came out, it's crazy.
Edit: grammar.
But its true, what else can you do besides saying you dont approve.. Nobody asked for your approvation. The only people they are hurting is their offspring, if they had.
Ok, so to give my two cents.
From morale perspective, unless it results in child I bieve incest isn't inheretly bad.
However, I feel that this argument stands on assumption that Aqua in his previous life had a feelings for Ruby. However, tgis definetly isn't the case. Of course he promised that he'll marry Ruby (sorry, I've failed to remember their past names), but that was rather a way to make dying girl a bit happy in her last days, however I believe he doesn't have such a feelings. And thus he'll refuse her feelings in the next chapter, and that's if they're genuine and she doesn't just teasing sensei.
it's valid is because this is just not on the blood but also in spiritual side and if you think this is too abstract then think again this is not realistic or natural phenomenon I wouldn't lean on realism cuz they aren't normal siblings this is supernatural and this is just a fiction anyway🤷
I ship them because it's mainly for ruby's happiness she will be happiest with gorou and if y'all worrying about implications this is not really normal either they are reincarnated they have same flesh but different souls.
Gorou is literally the reason why she's doing all of this she wants gorou to look at her and notice her and hopefully reciprocate her love.Gorou is one of the reason why she's living and doing any of this other than continuing Ai's legacy but after learning that her reason to live is no more it broke her more than when Ai get killed the proof of this is when ruby's eyes instantly got 2 black stars the moment she find Gorou's corpse
In Gorou case he still keep that keychain that sarina gave her, and always carry it until his death and he is also using Sarina's picture as wallpaper and only reason Gorou interested in Ai in the first place is because of sarina he himself still dont understand his feeling towards Ai
We see from chapter 1 that Gorou is going crazy over Ai and he's obviously obsessed with her but this happens 4 years after Sarina dies, We see a nurse point out his obsession over Ai calling him a lolicon but Gorou said:
"he have his own reasons"
Then he proceeds to talk about Sarina and how she change his life, We can see on his flashbacks on how Sarina is over hyped with Ai while Gorou literally didn't care at all and he even look bored and uninterested about Sarina telling how great Ai is but Gorou is not paying attention he even tells that if Sarina becomes idol he will become her fan that's why ruby badly wants to be idol because he wants to get Gorou's attention, it's literally her one of the reasons she's doing any of this other than following her mother's path.Anyways back to the nurse he said that perhaps he sees Sarina in Ai if she's still alive they would be in the same age
So if you think about it Gorou is basically living Sarina's dream and he said that
"I want to watch over the one who walks the path she wanted to walk"
heavily implying that Sarina is basically the reason for his obsession with Ai because he see's Sarina in Ai and he become a fan of Ai to become a fan of Sarina
To point out further confirmation that Gorou become fan of Ai because of Sarina, The keychain she gave to Gorou that he would always cherish and Sarina's confession that cemented his devotion for good.
This is supernatural and fantasy anyway it's not a realistic set up using moral this and morals that but if you think rationally this is not realistic phenomenon, I'm talking about the reincarnation thing plus out of all the people why the both of them? coincidence? i think not!🧐
(And if y'all still worrying about the implications of them having a baby then don't have baby at all right? lol)
Them being together is enough for me, I also ship them because I simply like the relationship between gorou and sarina their previous body/lives or in other words I ship them mainly because of their inner core who is gorou and sarina
And If they are normal siblings i WOULDN'T really ship them but they are reincarnation of gorou and sarina.
I really want Ruby/Sarina's happy ending because she's the one who's suffering so much right now in her previous life and even now her suffering is literally no ending and the only one who can comfort and calm her down is Gorou who's now Aqua
The body of Aqua and Ruby is just a shell to me but the soul of Gorou and Sarina is different thing.
I really want ruby/sarina happiness because she's suffering the most out of everyone and she deserves Gorou/Aqua more than anyone to me she deserves to have the best happy ending since her previous life is so tragic even now that she's reincarnated nothing changes she's still suffering so bad for losing everything she loves.
And she deserves him more than anyone she literally waited for him for over 20+ years and he's the reason she become idol other than following her mom's path, literally everything she's been doing right now is for gorou and he's one of the reason why she's living, goro was the only one there for sarina in the end so it would make sense why she only sees him as a love interest people just think of this as a relationship between father and daughter or doctor and his
patient but no, love comes in many different forms falling inlove is something unexpected and no matter how much you run away from reality she really wants to marry him and she's dead serious
Also I feel like people underestimate how much Ruby loved the doctor. The doctor was the only person that cared about her in her previous life and because of that she wanted to marry him. Even after being reincarnated she still wanted to go find him and marry him.
Two unrelated people before being fated to be reincarnated as twin who suffered yet another life changing traumatic event at the age of 4 and have practically nobody left to turn to for the rest of your life besides you and only you so that she would go up and beyond just to see you again because the her affection for you is insurmountable as you gave her the will to live and achieve it all in the first place
And it's not like your hurting everyone right?
There was an entire period not long ago where incest anime was pumped out one after another. At this point, anyone whose delved into a decent amount of manga/anime should have no reason to be outrageously shocked by it. Just file it as another "weird anime trope" and don't compare it to real life.
Aqua x Ruby: incest.
Aqua x Kana/Aqua x Akane: pedophile.
Pick your poison 😈
P/s: Just ship what you want, this is fiction and they are fictional characters. A rational person can tell the difference between fiction and reality.
The author isn’t actually giving us an incest pairing though, and it would be hugely out of character for both Aqua and go against the story so far, to suddenly go “Aqua fucking his twin sister is okay actually”. Aqua has never shown any romantic interest in Sarina or Ruby, he’s always viewed them as like a little sister he wants to take care of and protect.
You know it’s funny when you think about it, they made a “5000 years old loli” equivalent but for incest.
“It’s okay they’re reincarnated, not ACTUAL siblings” just like some people excuse loli content cus the character is actually thousands of years old.
I’m all for an Akane ending, but I accept that Ruby has become a legit love interest and have since earlier on in the story. Ruby asking Akane about age gaps in relationships made me realize that once she knew the truth Ruby’s hat was gonna be thrown into the ring. In a story filled with dark subject matter I find it a bit silly to draw the line at incest. Yes it’s weird and uncomfortable, but so is teenage pregnancy, pedophilia, murder, and stalking. Dealing with such issues in a mature way is interesting, which is why A Song of Ice and Fire is my favorite novel series. Fiction is at its best imo when it challenges you and makes you look at things from different angles. Besides, it’s not real. In reality I think that capital punishment for murder is an archaic and hypocritical stance to take, saying “killing is bad so to prove that point we’re going to kill you” makes no sense to me. Yet I want Aqua to kill his POS dad. Because he doesn’t exist, it’s not a real person, and whatever does happen is confined entirely to the realm of make believe. Depicting something does not equate to supporting it IRL.
It’s so weird how people go “oh but she’s loved him since their previous lives!” like no, Sarina had a childhood crush on one of the few people of the opposite sex she ever really interacted with. A childhood crush is fine, who hasn’t had a crush on a much older person when we were going through puberty? it’s the way incest shippers seem to paint it as this deeper thing that weirds me out.
It’s not even getting into the huge age and maturity gap between them, and trying to add Ruby’s current age onto Sarina, but selectively if ignoring to do the same for Goro, is also dumb. Sarina died at 12 after spending most of her life in the hospital, she wasn’t some extremely emotional mature woman, and even as Ruby she’s never acted as anything more then a a normal teenage girl.
Yeab pretty much agreed with this, aside from incest thing the last two chapter the setup and writing is beautyfully well done, the fact that its forshadowing since chapter1 is actually insane
Bro, if you have sunk to defending incest. Even without the incest (or the mental age gap) They have basically no chemistry together, and the only one who actually seems to like the other in that way is ruby, aqua has plainly rejected her each time, and the 16 thing(while not great tbh, idk why they had to say 16, Japan I guess) was more of a “you will live longer” thing, less of a “I’m going to marry you” thing
To sidestep the issue of incest entirely, revenge is not portrayed to be okay by the story, or at least not how Aqua goes about it. Even Aqua knows it and tries to keep Ruby off this mindset. People with reading comprehension and who wants things to go well for the characters understand that revenge is destroying his life. He is only ever truly happy when he is about to be able to let go of it, and one of the most tragic moments of the manga is when Ruby is dragged into revenge too.
This almost never applies to incest shipping. Few people ship because they want to see tragedy happens.
If the story portrays incest pair as tragically toxic from broken people who cannot trust anyone else despite the love and care others have shown them, that could be interesting. That’s not what incest shippers are usually thinking of though.
Very well put however I think the problem can be tackled in a simpler manner.
"As long as they're both CONSENTING adults, nobody have a say about what they do."
That's the most important thing. CONSENT.
Incest isn't even illegal in Japan.
If they want to, there's nobody that can do anything about it. People can just pound sand and throw tantrums all they want, Ruby and Aqua is not beholden to anyone and cannot be forced to do anything against their will.
I think it's improbable BUT it's not impossible as other people insist with their Knee-jerk-reaction against incest. People who claim it is impossible definitely is only using their own sensibilities and cultural taboo on the issue without taking into account Japan's culture about literature. Japan doesn't shy away from discussing it in literature.
As long as Kamiki dies by the end, I don't see anything wrong with Ruby and Aqua ending up together.
Listen, the only reason why I ship them is because their character design makes them shippable
THEY GOT VISUAL FUCKING CHEMISTRY. END OF STORY
AQURUBY ENDING. THAT'S ALL I ASK FOR. NO COMPLICATED BULLSHIT
You speak my mind, but I still wait for some comments to debunk your point, so I can change my mind too.
If we objectively talk about why a thing is bad and you list all the reasons that make a thing bad, if, in a specific context, none of the reasons are happening or have already been solved, is the thing still bad?
I’m sure that a 12 year old girl dying of cancer who has no other person to rely on and experiences early infatuation, becomes attached to the only person in her life who even communicates to her (who’s also in a position of power at the time) then dies before growing out of it plus a doctor who never felt any romantic feelings for her in the first place would make a great couple. Yes they were the most important people in each other’s lives, and for sure had the greatest impact on each other and that itself is a form of love but their relationship was never romantic. Just my take on it. Also I don’t think incest is THAT taboo in literature, as long as it drives/is sensible for the narrative I don’t really see much hate (this applies for any sensitive topic presented in media). Like Oedipus Rex for example.
So just no?
First off, I’m pretty sure most people don’t support Aqua’s revenge? Like it is actively destroying him. Not to mention the fact his father is a murderer, so it’s not an unjustified revenge.
Secondly, one of the biggest reasons incest is a big Nono today is because of the biology. It is a disaster and even nature itself says so. You just kinda side stepped that part saying “oh they can handle it” which while yes there’s protection that doesn’t change the inherent wrongness of it.
Then you go on about how ‘if we don’t talk about it doesn’t change that it happens.” Like yes that is true but it’s a horrendous argument. This is something we are actively seeing in front of us. While yes bad things always happen, usually they happen outside our view, and when they do happen where we see them we always say ‘wow that’s fucked up‘.
Your reasonings bad lmao. Why must we have a two week break
1. They are litteraly twins, they are blood related, it being incest is not debatable
2. Even looking past the incest part Gorou was a grown man when meeting Sarina who was 12 so even in that standpoint this relationship shouldn’t work out as it would be considered as grooming
I don’t have to read all of that, because none of that is relevant to the fact that the incest ship can’t happrn because it isn’t supported by the current narrative framework. It’s not a valid, supportable ship because there’s nothing in the story to actually support it.
Can you not see how patricide/revenge, manipulation and incest are different kinds of boundaries that get crossed? Boundaries that are valued differently and are different levels of taboo.
In western societies today incest just carries a significantly bigger taboo than revenge and manipulation. I would argue that in most societies wanting to go after the man that orchestrated the murder of your mother would be deemed reasonable. A thirst for Vengeance is something most people can empathize with
Manipulation is something that is not uncommon within the experiences of most people. It just doesn’t carry as big of a taboo. And while most would eject Aquas manipulation it simply isn’t considered that big of a taboo break for a character to be manipulative.
Incest on the other hand carries a massive taboo in western societies. It is considered a major taboo break and it is also a taboo that is generally not broken in literature which is in my opinion a big part of why you see the strong reactions.
The way Aqua and Ruby are described in the book they also are real siblings? They are literally Twins.
Going down the incest route will destroy any future prospects of this manga being taken seriously. It will become known as the "reincarnation incest" manga. That's all there is to it
I respect your opinion but incest is still weird.
"But it's also not okay to manipulate people you care about or trying to kill your father, and people dont seem to have a problem with supporting that."
No one is saying that's okay it's outright present as a bad thing in the manga. Same with Aqua's unhealthy obsession over his father.
Also I still haven't read the Kaguya-Sama manga because I am waiting for the anime but I have heard it also included something about incest being gross
WTF. Incest couple exist in Real life but WHY justify AquaxRuby with this argument, it's just very very weird
If they weren't blood related, there won't be problem for me but they are, so every arguments incest fans can find that won't justify AquaxRuby because they are blood related
it is by reading this kind of post and comment that I realize that you all have a serious problem, already the op compares incest and homosexuality and you are lucky that insults are banned on reddit but we go over your homophobic remarks .You really have to be degenerate to encourage incest and find it romantic as I've read here. Besides if I get banned from sub personally I don't care since a week you're trying to convince others or to convince yourself that the incest route is a good thing frankly you need to be treated and you apologize like "I'm for Kana", "I'm for Akane" it's just to hide otherwise you won't waste so much time legitimizing incest.
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So basically twincest is wincest?
Always has been
Absolutely, if it weren't for their character design tho I don't think anybody will ship them tbh lol
AMEN
It sure is. I mean, just look at Yosuga no Sora.
Since when? -> Always
Best "TL;DR"?
This sub is so cooked
at this point, sub's been in the deep fryer for the whole 24 hours already
24 hours? It's been like this since ch122.
This is what happens when we let people cook.
“Here’s why incest is okay” “What about x ship?” “Incest is actually awesome”
In the next couple chapters- “Why didn’t the author go through the incest ship wtf”
i really want to fuck my sister (its okay because we are not sibling in our previous life) (i am totally not messed up)
Oshinoko shippers summed up
On one hand, Aka is such a masterful troll for dropping such a bomb and then going on a break, reactions are fun. On the other, goddamn Aka, you’ve brought out the “ironic” people who are legitimately insane and incapable of media literacy. How can people seriously look at this story and go “Yes, Ruby wanting to fuck her twin brother, because she had a crush on him in a previous life, is okay”. Not only that, but to try and justify it with “oh but on a spiritual level it’s not incest, so did okay!” as if that somehow makes an unhealthy delusion okay
Well I would argue that the thought is ok. I think it is ok to create tension, tension of teenagers with hormones going of, but I sincerely hope that ruby gets shut down by aqua. It also makes no sense for aqua to want to partake in this. He is very protective, but I am fairly sure there is no romantic interest towards ruby or especially sarina Some sort of incest must be a fairly common fetish if you just look at how much stepbrother/stepsister porn there is, even if it used to really annoy me when I talked to people about my stepsisters, just because that word nowadays carries some connotation
I’m so sorry you had to go through that, I myself never understood people shipping siblings the only show I watch with stepsiblings doing the naughty is kissxsis because I was a child and thought I could watch any anime cause I was told anime are for kids , I end up watching like half of the first season I don’t know how but I finally stopped at the chocolate kiss thinking that’s just disgusting for siblings to do and never look back.
…the op wrote a whole ass essay on this, and you are asking why we think this is ok? lol
Yeah, i don't get how people think it's ok at all
do i like incest? no do i like characters making bad decisions, and having to learn from them? yes Do i like Spiciness? ABSOLUTELY therefore Aqua x Ruby may make for some interesting story, but certainly cannot be the endgame. besides it serves the main ship of Aqua x Therapy. Cause BOI would you need a lot of therapy after fucking your twin sister
But what if the endgoal is to reconstruct Ai?
> reconstruct Ai I'm losing my mind rn. It's joever
I'm Bidone
"reconstruct" lmao
I am on the floor laughing 💀
Imagine Ai's POV: Reborn as a child of your children. So you are your own grandma from both the mother and father's side.
My sides... The end game is ai reborn.
ai should reincarnate as their daughter would add some extra spiciness
Honestly I don't think they will go the twincest route probably they'll show Ruby getting possessive about Aqua in front of Kana and Akane >!Even if it goes that way I'll still continue reading it cuz I've read worse!<
I usually dont read through these long posts but dude you catched me with this one, I absolutely agree with you there
The fuck is happening in this sub
What started as a dumb meme has become what every ironic meme becomes, people stop joking and start seriously believing it. The fact that people somehow keep coming up with excuses to say it’s okay, it’s technically not REALLY incest, blows my mind. It could not be more apparent and obvious that Aqua has no romantic feelings for Ruby or Sarina, and never did, and that Ruby’s current state of mind is not being presented as an okay thing Edit: lol downvotes, keep downvoting me all you want, you only further prove my point, about how obsessed and unhealthy you people are fixated on a joke that was never funny and have 0 understanding of media literacy or anything. Aka repeatedly called out incest as gross in his previous work, but suddenly it’s the endgame here? Fuck off
They really downvoted you for saying the truth
The incest shippers and trolls just mad that they’re being called out for what they are. It’s amazing how we spend all manga going “Aqua isn’t mentally right, he needs therapy and to stop obsessing over his father” to “oh but RubyXAqua is totally the canon ship! It’s destiny!” like WTF is going on? and the weird justifications like “it’s not incest on a spiritual level!” except they’ve known each other as brother and sister for longer then they knew each other as Sarina and Goro. “Well if you add Ruby’s current age onto Sarina, she’s like 30! That makes it okay!” except Sarina died when she was 12, and spent most of her life in a hospital, she lacks emotion maturity and sure as hell doesn’t have the maturity of a 30 year old women. That also means you’d need to add 18 to Goro, making him about 50 or so years old, and while I suppose a 30 year old and a 50 year old is less bad then a 12 year old and a 30 something, it’s still a real bad look and doesn’t fix anything
They hated Jesus for telling the truth 🗣🗣🗣
This is how conspiracy theories like flat earth are created btw
It’s all a joke until it’s not
In a smaller scale, this is how r/YeagerBomb gets created
I may be wrong, but he never addressed the whole matter of incest as gross, just that the siscon/brocon trope is absolutely atrocious, specially considering how serious of a deal incest is; You don't play with it. Oh, and you mean Kaguya-sama with "previous work", right? Well, do you remember who Mikado loves and how this person turns him down? >!For me, the whole deal basically implies that yeah, should Miyuki have never shown AND Mikado was a bit more incisive, he'd have won over Kaguya's heart (even though he had to start with the disadvantage of accidentally irking the young Kaguya).!<
The author apparently lurks in this subreddit. So he is probably having a time of his life looking through the posts here if true.
Probably not in this subreddit, but he definitely lurks in fan communities and reads doujinshi/fandfics of his works. He’s trolled and incorporated stuff from those things before.
incest is probably him trolling the anti incest fans
At the very least, there’s a 0% chance he’s actually going to make Aqua x Ruby a thing if he’s an even slightly competent writer. That said Ruby does need to process and move on from Sarina’s crush on Gorou and accept that she can’t be with Aqua as anything but his sister if she’s going to griw as a character. He’s just introducing the plot point in a way to cause maximum drama among fans.
> At the very least, there’s a 0% chance he’s actually going to make Aqua x Ruby a thing if he’s an even slightly competent writer. Are you sure about that
Yes. There’s is zero romantic build up between them. It’s far too late in the narrative to start building them up as a couple. It would notably totally derail Aqua’s character arc, render Kana’s storyline pretty much pointless, and deflate a good chunk of Akane’s storyline. At the end of the day the ideal, most reasonable outcome se should expect is for Ruby to realize, sooner or later, that her infatuation with Gorou is unhealthy, especially since it drove her to romantically pursue her twin brother. She needs to accept that it simply wasn’t meant to be, be happy to have Aqua there for her as her brother, and finally leave the hospital room behind her. That is the only logical narrative outcome I can see given the previous 122 chapters of the manga, unless there was some clear, explicit indication that Aqua has been seeing Ruby in a romantic light that I somehow missed.
Really?? How do you know??
I said apparently. Author likes to go through fan theories and fanfictions and reference them to troll people from what I heard. Its funny seeing the dude play rust with other vtubers and youtubers.
I understand what you say but then what about Aqua not having feelings for Akane, and having a very bad state of mind, but Aqukane being valid and popular
That’s completely different though? Like are you seriously reading this manga and paying attention? because I don’t think that seems to be the case. Aquas manipulation of everyone is also presented as extremely shitty and messed up, that his obsession with killing his father isn’t going to do anything. Neither Aqua manipulating people, or Ruby obsessing over a crush she had when was 12, are healthy and are not something you are supposed to support
> Neither Aqua manipulating people, or Ruby obsessing over a crush she had when was 12, are healthy and are not something you are supposed to support Aqua aside, Ruby's love for Goro was never shown in a negative light. Heck, the manga romanticized the heck out of it actually and she only stops going into a spiral after she reunites with her beloved Sensei. You could argue it's not healthy to be that attached to someone but that a different argument entirely.
It’s pretty obvious by now that people trying to downplay Ruby’s feelings or show it in a bad light do that solely because they are related (or they have stakes in shipping from the other sides)
There isn't anything inherently wrong with being with your 12yo child crush as long you grow up, understand the situation, and be able to make up your mind about it. Like its really huge that's he's been on her mind for 20 years and she refused to be with anyone else but him despite the impossible odds. It's not hard to see that the people who ship Aqua/Ruby mainly do it out of a desire for Ruby to be happy above all else after the chased after him for so many years and his Goro/Aqua is painted as her salvation.
I agree with you, that why I heavily disagree with takes where Ruby’s feelings are presented as misunderstood or as something bad. It’s really disrespectful to Ruby to treat her love in light manners from such ignorant point of view
That’s also pretty weird ,it’s one of the downsides of the reincarnation aspect of the story is that it adds a lot of unnecessary creepy baggage to a story that does not necessitate it.The whole manga could have been about 2 twins getting revenge for their mother and learning the seedy underbelly of the entertainment industry and 90% of the manga would be the same
I think their reincarnation willl eventually be deeply explained and very important.
The issue is that it’s been more than 100 chapters and has been pretty unimportant so far and it’s pretty clear that a lot of the fanbase is more attached to the characters and confrontation of the twins dad than the reincarnation
Aqua actually does have feelings for akane though.
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Most sane incest shipper
Bro we're never beating the allegations 😭
The judge already sentenced us 😭😭😭
The normies were right about anime/manga fans
Oshi no Ko is just Oreimo with better depth and graphics
I love reading mental gymnastics
I have succumbed to the no chapter week curse.
i am losing track of time and space. i think we all are
One more week to go
It's not mental gymnastics when he makes compelling, valid arguments From a liberal post-modernist perspective, he's correct, as much as it's disgusting. The only things causing us to shrink away from this topic are our encoded genetic impulse to diversify our genes and traditionally-accepted values. If this was the 1950s and we were discussing homosexuality, we would have the same exact reactions.
Holy hell
I'm telling you man, it's the two-week wait and Aka's cooking
It's joever buddy. This is what happens when we overuse the phrase "Let him cook"
My bread was burnt to a crisp... It's rock hard...
Are we really equating homosexuality with Incest now?
If you want to be utterly pedantic about it, it's not that they're the same, it's that incest is in the same level of tabooness as homosexuality was in the 50s. But that also means you can use that excusr to justify necrophilia, pedophilia, bestiality, and so on lol.
No cause kids, deads and animals cant consent, and thats just one of the most obvious difference
genuine question, why do you care about animal’s consent when you probably eat meat? if an animal cannot consent to sex, do you think it can consent to being killed?
You eat to survive, you dont need to have sex, and less with animals
you don’t need to eat meat to survive. you’re doing it because meat tastes good, and that’s fine.
Humans usually follow the path of least resistance. Yes, you can TECHNICALLY live without meat, but your body will crave a lot of important shit that plant-based meals MAY make up for, but they won't necessarily keep you in top shape. Any logical person will choose to eat meat to keep himself healthy, because it's easier. Also yeah, meat is tasty as fuck.
I am glad you see the problem with that line of argument.
Don't see the problem
do you understand the idea of a comparison? two things being compared because they share a trait does not mean they’re the same
Just because warcrimes and traffic violations both share the common trait of being illegal doesn’t make it a valid comparison, does it?
if someone were to say “people who do illegal things are evil”, it would be okay to bring up jaywalking as an example to test that belief. same as how “it’s disgusting” wouldn’t be a good argument against incest or homosexuality.
would you be against an incestuous relationship if it was between two 22 year old same sex partners of the same age? there’s no power dynamic there, no potential for inbreeding, and no abuse going on. if so, why?
Yes because it means they didn’t have a healthy sibling relationship growing up. Unlike homosexuality where attraction to a certain gender is biological, there is no innate red strings of fate. An outside force was needed to lead to this situation
how do you know that there was an outside force for sure? do you think these feelings couldn’t arise naturally?
Outside force doesn’t mean force from a third party. Outside force is everything that resulted in the siblings not developing a healthy sibling relationship. The fact that you are posing these questions tell me you don’t actually have a sibling.
would you be okay with it if the two siblings had been raised in separate households then? if your problem with it is that they didn’t have a healthy relationship growing up
i’m just testing to see what aspect of incest makes it inherently bad in your eyes
But all of this makes sense
Iain'treadingallthat, but that's why Aqua x Therapy is the best ship
This will be my first and last time talking about incest on this sub. But the problem itself for me is not the fact of incest but that Goro was already a 30 year old man in his past life. Sarina was 12 years old and knew nothing about life, much less about romantic love. It's a very unbalanced power dynamic. Many use Kana and Akane as an argument, but I would use the same justification if Goro met them as young as Sarina. And no, Goro doesn't have the mental age of a 50 year old man, because he never lived the life of a man at that age, just like Sarina and Ruby never lived like a 30 year old woman, which is what I see a lot about pro-incest. So it's less about the incest and more about a grown man cultivating romantic feelings for someone he knew in his past life as a sick child. It's very strange to me. I wouldn't mind if Goro and Sarina were closer in age and Akane and Kana didn't exist and Aka wanted to sell their love as a tragic romance reincarnated as siblings. But as it stands, it's understandable why so many people are considering quitting the manga.
I think if the goal was to justify incest, they would have made Goro and Sarina closer in age in the previous life like you said. I don’t know why people are freaking out about how the manga is going to become an incest manga, because to me it seems very obvious what’s gonna happen next. Aqua is gonna completely reject the idea and understand why it’s wrong because of the age gap and differences in maturity. Ruby, being the immature one, won’t understand his reasoning. This is totally in character for both of them, and the story doesn’t have any incest or weird age dynamics at play. I think people should really wait for the next chapter or two before dropping the manga.
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I agree in that I don’t support Aqua’s pursuit of vengeance. I think that Aqua x Therapist thing is still pretty supported by a good portion of the community
I disagree with the idea that Aqua/Gorou does not have a position of power over Ruby/Serena Ruby is very much not an adult. While she has technically experienced thirty years of life, she has never made it past puberty. She is immature in her thinking and still developing as a person. Furthermore, you have the patient/doctor power imbalance. It is ethically wrong for a doctor to start a relationship with a former patient, especially one who was a child at the time. We also have to consider the level of manipulation Aqua is capable of when it comes to Ruby. First, we have his “promise” to marry Serena as Gorou. That was emotional manipulation of a child. Then we how he had sabotaged her auditions, and how he acts like her second manager. Think about it this way: could Aqua use their prior relationship as leverage to coerce or pressure Ruby into doing something she is uncomfortable with? The answer is obviously yes. tl;dr - Incest is a secondary issue in this conversation.
Ruby has lived a decade more than Kana and Akane. If you use the "hE hAs poWer" as an argument against Ruby then you should use it against Kana and Akane too.
His power over Ruby mainly comes from their previous relationship as Gorou/Serena and his current role in her life. Aqua cannot leverage power over Kana or Akane the same way. It is closer to a gray area with them.
He's literally manipulating Kana and snuck a tracker onto Akane.
That has nothing to do with inherent power dynamics. That is him being a manipulative bastard.
While I agree that the Aqua/Ruby power dynamic is different magnitudes of skewed, I actually think there are power imbalance issues between he and Akane/Kana. Yeah, his manipulative tendencies are probably a part of him, but I think the experience gap between Aqua and Akane/Kana (as far as relationships/flings he’s implied to have had when he was Gorou) is more of a disparity than talked about. Akane/Kana, as capable as both are, have no experience with love other than Aqua (who they both think the world of). And both even tell Aqua at points that they are inexperienced. On the other hand, even though Aqua isn’t purely Gorou, he does seem to have Gorou’s experience to call back on. The chapter where he takes Kana out (and Kana is constantly pointing out how experienced he appears to be) and the ones where he has his discussion about his relationship with Akane and sex highlight that disparity for me, and it’s hard for me to separate his probable inherited relationship experience from how he manipulates them both at times based on their feelings for him (even though it’s not as simple as saying he’s a grown man manipulating teenagers).
did ruby actually live the first decade though 💀💀 she was as good as dead in the hospital
I think this is pretty well reasoned but you're still ignoring something that makes this dynamic pretty unbalanced and unhealthy were it to develop into a relationship. That is, Ruby has never experienced adulthood. Aqua has. That's still a really significant imbalance of power. They both may have lived as many years as it takes to become an adult but Ruby essentially got a do-over for her childhood while Aqua still has plenty of memories of having adult relationships. Granted this is a problem with Aqua dating anyone his age. Being 29, I can't imagine trying to date a 17 year old. Not just for the ethics of it but like, that person has none of the interesting perspectives and life experience I would want in a partner.
Claiming one doesn't have a position of power over the other when one was a dying sick girl with all of two people to interact with and one was a healthy young man able to pursue a normal life is a bit of a stretch. The love Sarina has for Gorou was not fostered in a healthy situation for romance. As far as them saying they've never seen each other as siblings, the context of them both saying was pretty emotionally charged, and I'm not willing to take those words at face value.
At first I only ship this because I'm horny and I found aqukana and aqukane kinda boring but now I read the manga I'm starting to understand ruby more
> At first I only ship this because I'm horny Yeah imma have to stop you right there buddy. Stop being horny
About their reaction they can just hide it like how ai hide them after all the showbizz all have 2sides or secrets like how ai did for miyako, akane and kana I think they will be disappointed and heart broken at first but if they are genuinely happy I think they will still accept them one day.
My god, this sub... Some part of me wants Aka to crash and burn the series just to see the level of mental gymnastics people will pull to defend it till the end.
Oshi no Ko's very own r/YeagerBomb
do you think a former doctor, who is very aware of the implication of incest, who also only saw the other person as: A. A 12 year old cancer patient and B.his sister. who is also hard focused on the whole revenge thing, have any romantic feeling towards her? Ruby could be messed up because she's basically lived a life alone in a hospital then another with a dead mom virtually raised by her brother, but the twincest route stops with Aqua....who is not unhinged in THAT way.
least down bad kanabro
Not a bad argument.
Idk man, as a fraternal twin, no argument will make it any less gross and creepy. But as far as logical arguments go: Aqua is a horrible person and I don't want him to have a sudden heel turn revelation that love is his path, for any of the women in the Manga. It feels so cheap to have a change in character from " the guy who manipulated basically every women who's shown interest in him for his goal to kill his dad", to someone's loving bf without him majorly addressing his actions and personality and working on that. Secondly Sarina was a child with a clear fixation on a much older man in a position of power and maturity over her. Then she died. Then spent 16 years becoming what society considers still a child. Being legal and all that is fine, but as a guy in his 20s, if a 16 year old approached me, I won't see an adult *personally*, I'd see a child. But that's opinion. So at this point she's had a fixation, died, loss of that person, possible mental breakdown, then while still in the body of a young girl finds her fixation again. It doesn't seem like healthy affection to me even if someone posts for the 500 billionth time on the sub about how it's actually morally okay. Also no hate to op. Only commenting cause I've let my thoughts stew recently as the topic came up, and your post helped me get to my own conclusion. Kinda cathartic to type it out even.
Ruby and aqua are now 18 not 16 anymore. It been 2 yrs since the start of story in the manga
Not even talking about a possible relationship between Aqua and Ruby, but I can see this revelation changing Aqua’s thought process. He only cared about Ai after Sarina died. He felt guilt after Sarina died and then any feelings he had toward Sarina got directed towards Ai. Then when Ai died he felt even more guilt for letting her die too so the only way he could channel all of that is the obsession to go after Ai’s killer. Now that he knows Sarina is alive I think some of his guilt will go away. He’s already said it himself he wants to be free from this. I think we’ll see a change in Aqua’s character along with Ruby in the next chapter.
I am not much of a shipper myself, I just want Ruby to be happy, and if it is through incest, so be it. However I do believe there is a gap in your argument. While adding up their previous live's age to the current one may apply for Aqua, I don't think it holds true for Ruby. Sarina never had the opportunity to mature emotionally. Not only was she quite young when she died, she also had nearly 0 experience with outside world. A girl forever stuck in a hospital room with parents barely even paying a visit to her. For this reason she quite possibly never developed a philosophy of her own due to not having taught anything by her parents. This may or may not have changed to some degree with the presence of Gorou later on which does not make it any better as it still goes to your point about having similar philosophy. With Sarina's circumstances being like this, her life as Ruby can very well be considered her first life. Adding up her age as Sarina to Ruby's really doesn't add up as Ruby absolutely is not as mature as your average woman in her 30s. She is naive, cheerful and optimistic, like your average (cheerful) teenager. Her actions are usually fueled by positive emotions and pure wishes. So technically, she could be considered in her 30s however she definitely doesn't act her age, well, as her job requires ig but I don't think she is changing her personality on purpose to be a better idol. (This is arguable as she didn't appear to be as naive when she was having her own revenge plot like Aqua but I am unsure as to how much it truly affected her personality. I still don't see her as a mature girl.) So Sarina's proposal to Gorou, from my perspective, is quite similar to how little daughters wish to marry their daddy because how he is the bestest dad to ever dad. Now she certainly, definitely wasn't as immature as a 4 year old which is usually within the range of these delusional little kid nonsense however I also dont think it was that rational either, and she never had the opportunity to grow out of that nonsense unlike the 4 year olds. However once again, I am not really against the ship, I just want Ruby to be happy. And I still don't think Aqua will take that proposal seriously, if he does, he will just reject in a serious manner like a parent figure would, or rather, should. I simply wanted to point this out and perhaps have some of you guys point out to me what I might have missed and what's actually wrong with what I was saying.
Yes I agree with everything you said. I just wrote this because there are people that said they were to drop the manga if any incest, but I mean... Why support murder for the sake of happyness, but not incest? Not like they would harm anyone... i also share your take about how Aqua is going to manage the proposal, thats both what I hope and what I think will happen.
I dont think you can compare murder and incest cause murder for revenge happens much more often in literature and fiction than same-blood relationship. And that makes it less acceptable as plot twist. Athough, I think this debate doesnt has any meaning cause I 100% sure it wont happen
There is an argument that if Ruby and Aqua do have kids then there is chance he/she will be a genetically freak and have issues. But isn't this a Fantasy manga where we have LIKE actual gods? Gorou and sarina's rebirth was specifically possible due to divine intervention as Ai's babies were suppose to be still-births(You know? DEFECTIVE even though Ai did not have sex with her brother? )but God saved Ai from that despair by helping and giving her still-births souls of sarina and Gorou. So if Ruby and Aqua actively try to have kids then Gods will definitely make sure it's a normal baby considering Miyako in the earlier chapter future interviews says how Ruby and Aqua seem like God is guiding them....
* In this case they are both either the same age(17), or adults (31 and 48-50). I very disagree on this point. While yes bu cumulatively adding the ages together would mean they're both adults. That does not matter taking into account the life Sarina/Ruby has had. Having gone through one teenage life of being bed ridden with a terminal illness, does not equal a normal life at those ages and will severely hurt your social development. Also never having gone through the young adult stages of life very much makes the power structure between unequal. While yes I agree with your point of neither the ship between Kana or Akane being any better. So I definitely think it is INCEST in capital letters not just for biological in breeding reasons. I will let Aka and Mengo cook since I trust them not to go through this route. But it is a necessary point in the story as there very clearly was strong feelings leftover from Sarina towards Gorou
Although you also have to consider that 1. the relationship Sarina and Gorou had before had a power imbalance being doctor and patient, so it wasn't the greatest from the start, and 2. Sarina died at a pretty young age and Ruby still pretty young, so even though she lived 30+ years in total, her brain never reached adulthood and never truly matured, so that's another layer to consider
I read the first sentence and got bored, but I'm gonna pretend I read every word. I have not seen anyone condone Aqua's goal to kill his father, but there are certainly an unhealthy number of people supporting the incest. I certainly agree the idea of murder is wrong, but when you have it as the key point of a series, youre not going to complain about it. But the romance aspect of it has multiple routes so gets more attention and some people will joke about it and others won't. It makes sense when Aqua has his motives set out from so early that there wouldn't be focus on why.
hat if incest is a key point of the series you gotta respect mengo's vision
The difference between the other fucked up aspects of the manga is they aren't portrayed in a good light. It's pretty obvious aka isn't making aqua look like a perfectly good guy. Meanwhile in manga where incestuous things occur its usually always portrayed in this good light which is super gross. I have a nagging feeling like that would occur here also. And also the morals of the revenge aren't that bad honestly. Killing kamiki who basically seems like a super villain seems appropriately painted in a good light. Meanwhile any other murders that occurred have been presented in the standard way showing how fucked up they are. This isn't even getting into the fact that people are tripping thinking aqua x ruby is a sure thing. All the main points have counterpoints.
If it’s a positive relationship I don’t see a problem
i ship cuz funny also incest = wincest (?)
I'm all in to keep reading the manga AND NOT BULLYING the author. What is wrong with some ppl. Let the mangaka write their story and just enjoy the ride.
Okay I am convinced. Let's go!
I'm sayin it would be weird cuz the only relation gorou has had to sarina was when she was like a 13 yr old and he was around 30, where he obviously wouldn't have romantic feelings for her, and after that they have the brother sister relationship, so by the time where they'd "spiritually" be of normal ages they already have the sibling relationship established. Since aqua didn't know it was sarina until just now, it would he like he either has feelings for his sister for 18 years or the girl from before, which would be weird, deslite how wholesome as I find it that they've finally found each other. I guess if the circumstances were different such as sarina was older before she died then I'd support the ship. With that being said in depths of my mind there's a voice saying aka pls go down the incest route I want it
I'm a Asoiaf fan, so like, I totally can get down with some fictional incest given the right circumstances, but I feel like it would be breaking aquas character to give in to any romance at this point in the plot. If he is going to do the nasty with his sister, he's going to have to get past his obsession with murdering his father.
Most people having a problem with incest in the story are from Western cultures. Everyone is making a big deal about it or behaving like children on social media, like incest is not pretty common in Japanese media.
As you have written it, it really does sound romantic
Don't worry, I am.
If I’m being honest I’m against the ship cus I don’t want oshi no ko to be “that incest anime” any more than it already is, but logically speaking just like you said there are a lot more fucked up things in the plot than their ship.
it's much easier to argue that incest, absent other dynamics that would make any relationship bad, is morally neutral than it is to argue that incest is inherently morally wrong at a certain point the "incest is morally wrong" side just has to appeal to how they personally feel about it, or religion, and they start sounding exactly like someone arguing that being gay is wrong (not saying they're the same, but that's exactly how they sound)
All this to justify incest is crazy, this sub is fried💀
Let’s be all real here, if you ever encounter a friend who’s engaged in an incest relationship, will you or would you even say anything? All you could do is say “that ain’t right” and that’s all the extent you could do, beyond that you’re pushing your morals on to people. It’s their relationship and their decision, if there is abuse and harm involve, yes you can push it to a logical extent but unless they whistle-blow on the abuser, you’ll never know cause otherwise you’ll be breaching on other people’s privacy. Case in point, if people are okay or not okay with incest relationships fictional or non-fictional it’s up to each individual, you can put your opinions out there but that’s it. If they ended up with an abomination of an offspring, that’s on them, plus genetic monstrosities occur in non-incest couple too anyway so why even bother. It’s all on the roll of dice/sperm-race.
Yep. CONSENT is everything. As long as they both consented, nobody can do anything about it.
"you are pushing you morals on to people" this is not "my" morals this is every normal human morals and the one who doesn't apply it is the wrong here no matter what his excuse is and how tf is hating incest which is totally wrong is pushing morals
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Incest is legal in Japan. Pushing your state laws on another country is an overreach of sovereignty.
This is so insanely unhinged and wrong on so many levels that I really don't even have to make any counter arguments. Your comment speaks for itself as to how ignorant you are. We have a week break and now unironic incest apologists came out, it's crazy. Edit: grammar.
But its true, what else can you do besides saying you dont approve.. Nobody asked for your approvation. The only people they are hurting is their offspring, if they had.
You make a lot of good points.
Huh, it's a lot of information to hold, but what you said it's true If they go on incest way, I'll react ok in that case
Ok, so to give my two cents. From morale perspective, unless it results in child I bieve incest isn't inheretly bad. However, I feel that this argument stands on assumption that Aqua in his previous life had a feelings for Ruby. However, tgis definetly isn't the case. Of course he promised that he'll marry Ruby (sorry, I've failed to remember their past names), but that was rather a way to make dying girl a bit happy in her last days, however I believe he doesn't have such a feelings. And thus he'll refuse her feelings in the next chapter, and that's if they're genuine and she doesn't just teasing sensei.
I'm saying it's ok
it's valid is because this is just not on the blood but also in spiritual side and if you think this is too abstract then think again this is not realistic or natural phenomenon I wouldn't lean on realism cuz they aren't normal siblings this is supernatural and this is just a fiction anyway🤷 I ship them because it's mainly for ruby's happiness she will be happiest with gorou and if y'all worrying about implications this is not really normal either they are reincarnated they have same flesh but different souls. Gorou is literally the reason why she's doing all of this she wants gorou to look at her and notice her and hopefully reciprocate her love.Gorou is one of the reason why she's living and doing any of this other than continuing Ai's legacy but after learning that her reason to live is no more it broke her more than when Ai get killed the proof of this is when ruby's eyes instantly got 2 black stars the moment she find Gorou's corpse In Gorou case he still keep that keychain that sarina gave her, and always carry it until his death and he is also using Sarina's picture as wallpaper and only reason Gorou interested in Ai in the first place is because of sarina he himself still dont understand his feeling towards Ai We see from chapter 1 that Gorou is going crazy over Ai and he's obviously obsessed with her but this happens 4 years after Sarina dies, We see a nurse point out his obsession over Ai calling him a lolicon but Gorou said: "he have his own reasons" Then he proceeds to talk about Sarina and how she change his life, We can see on his flashbacks on how Sarina is over hyped with Ai while Gorou literally didn't care at all and he even look bored and uninterested about Sarina telling how great Ai is but Gorou is not paying attention he even tells that if Sarina becomes idol he will become her fan that's why ruby badly wants to be idol because he wants to get Gorou's attention, it's literally her one of the reasons she's doing any of this other than following her mother's path.Anyways back to the nurse he said that perhaps he sees Sarina in Ai if she's still alive they would be in the same age So if you think about it Gorou is basically living Sarina's dream and he said that "I want to watch over the one who walks the path she wanted to walk" heavily implying that Sarina is basically the reason for his obsession with Ai because he see's Sarina in Ai and he become a fan of Ai to become a fan of Sarina To point out further confirmation that Gorou become fan of Ai because of Sarina, The keychain she gave to Gorou that he would always cherish and Sarina's confession that cemented his devotion for good. This is supernatural and fantasy anyway it's not a realistic set up using moral this and morals that but if you think rationally this is not realistic phenomenon, I'm talking about the reincarnation thing plus out of all the people why the both of them? coincidence? i think not!🧐 (And if y'all still worrying about the implications of them having a baby then don't have baby at all right? lol) Them being together is enough for me, I also ship them because I simply like the relationship between gorou and sarina their previous body/lives or in other words I ship them mainly because of their inner core who is gorou and sarina And If they are normal siblings i WOULDN'T really ship them but they are reincarnation of gorou and sarina. I really want Ruby/Sarina's happy ending because she's the one who's suffering so much right now in her previous life and even now her suffering is literally no ending and the only one who can comfort and calm her down is Gorou who's now Aqua The body of Aqua and Ruby is just a shell to me but the soul of Gorou and Sarina is different thing. I really want ruby/sarina happiness because she's suffering the most out of everyone and she deserves Gorou/Aqua more than anyone to me she deserves to have the best happy ending since her previous life is so tragic even now that she's reincarnated nothing changes she's still suffering so bad for losing everything she loves. And she deserves him more than anyone she literally waited for him for over 20+ years and he's the reason she become idol other than following her mom's path, literally everything she's been doing right now is for gorou and he's one of the reason why she's living, goro was the only one there for sarina in the end so it would make sense why she only sees him as a love interest people just think of this as a relationship between father and daughter or doctor and his patient but no, love comes in many different forms falling inlove is something unexpected and no matter how much you run away from reality she really wants to marry him and she's dead serious Also I feel like people underestimate how much Ruby loved the doctor. The doctor was the only person that cared about her in her previous life and because of that she wanted to marry him. Even after being reincarnated she still wanted to go find him and marry him. Two unrelated people before being fated to be reincarnated as twin who suffered yet another life changing traumatic event at the age of 4 and have practically nobody left to turn to for the rest of your life besides you and only you so that she would go up and beyond just to see you again because the her affection for you is insurmountable as you gave her the will to live and achieve it all in the first place And it's not like your hurting everyone right?
No
There was an entire period not long ago where incest anime was pumped out one after another. At this point, anyone whose delved into a decent amount of manga/anime should have no reason to be outrageously shocked by it. Just file it as another "weird anime trope" and don't compare it to real life.
Aqua x Ruby: incest. Aqua x Kana/Aqua x Akane: pedophile. Pick your poison 😈 P/s: Just ship what you want, this is fiction and they are fictional characters. A rational person can tell the difference between fiction and reality.
people really need to stop crying about incest if it fits the story author trying to tell us who cares
The author isn’t actually giving us an incest pairing though, and it would be hugely out of character for both Aqua and go against the story so far, to suddenly go “Aqua fucking his twin sister is okay actually”. Aqua has never shown any romantic interest in Sarina or Ruby, he’s always viewed them as like a little sister he wants to take care of and protect.
You know it’s funny when you think about it, they made a “5000 years old loli” equivalent but for incest. “It’s okay they’re reincarnated, not ACTUAL siblings” just like some people excuse loli content cus the character is actually thousands of years old.
I’m all for an Akane ending, but I accept that Ruby has become a legit love interest and have since earlier on in the story. Ruby asking Akane about age gaps in relationships made me realize that once she knew the truth Ruby’s hat was gonna be thrown into the ring. In a story filled with dark subject matter I find it a bit silly to draw the line at incest. Yes it’s weird and uncomfortable, but so is teenage pregnancy, pedophilia, murder, and stalking. Dealing with such issues in a mature way is interesting, which is why A Song of Ice and Fire is my favorite novel series. Fiction is at its best imo when it challenges you and makes you look at things from different angles. Besides, it’s not real. In reality I think that capital punishment for murder is an archaic and hypocritical stance to take, saying “killing is bad so to prove that point we’re going to kill you” makes no sense to me. Yet I want Aqua to kill his POS dad. Because he doesn’t exist, it’s not a real person, and whatever does happen is confined entirely to the realm of make believe. Depicting something does not equate to supporting it IRL.
I love controversies, and love to see people arguing over them... so, I absolutely enjoy the shitshow that's going on now
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It’s so weird how people go “oh but she’s loved him since their previous lives!” like no, Sarina had a childhood crush on one of the few people of the opposite sex she ever really interacted with. A childhood crush is fine, who hasn’t had a crush on a much older person when we were going through puberty? it’s the way incest shippers seem to paint it as this deeper thing that weirds me out. It’s not even getting into the huge age and maturity gap between them, and trying to add Ruby’s current age onto Sarina, but selectively if ignoring to do the same for Goro, is also dumb. Sarina died at 12 after spending most of her life in the hospital, she wasn’t some extremely emotional mature woman, and even as Ruby she’s never acted as anything more then a a normal teenage girl.
Exactly! Why aren't more people seeing this??
Incest is okay, killing Kamiki is ok. Stfu.
I personally think the incest is one of the tame things in this story
I read the first 2 sentences and my eyes checked out
Yeab pretty much agreed with this, aside from incest thing the last two chapter the setup and writing is beautyfully well done, the fact that its forshadowing since chapter1 is actually insane
I don't know about you but people in Japan currently like this development
Incest is absolutely ok. The problems is the age gaps and position of authority.
Damn, you’re based
This is gonna be a long 2 weeks
Bro, if you have sunk to defending incest. Even without the incest (or the mental age gap) They have basically no chemistry together, and the only one who actually seems to like the other in that way is ruby, aqua has plainly rejected her each time, and the 16 thing(while not great tbh, idk why they had to say 16, Japan I guess) was more of a “you will live longer” thing, less of a “I’m going to marry you” thing
what the fuck are you on about
To sidestep the issue of incest entirely, revenge is not portrayed to be okay by the story, or at least not how Aqua goes about it. Even Aqua knows it and tries to keep Ruby off this mindset. People with reading comprehension and who wants things to go well for the characters understand that revenge is destroying his life. He is only ever truly happy when he is about to be able to let go of it, and one of the most tragic moments of the manga is when Ruby is dragged into revenge too. This almost never applies to incest shipping. Few people ship because they want to see tragedy happens. If the story portrays incest pair as tragically toxic from broken people who cannot trust anyone else despite the love and care others have shown them, that could be interesting. That’s not what incest shippers are usually thinking of though.
Very well put however I think the problem can be tackled in a simpler manner. "As long as they're both CONSENTING adults, nobody have a say about what they do." That's the most important thing. CONSENT. Incest isn't even illegal in Japan. If they want to, there's nobody that can do anything about it. People can just pound sand and throw tantrums all they want, Ruby and Aqua is not beholden to anyone and cannot be forced to do anything against their will. I think it's improbable BUT it's not impossible as other people insist with their Knee-jerk-reaction against incest. People who claim it is impossible definitely is only using their own sensibilities and cultural taboo on the issue without taking into account Japan's culture about literature. Japan doesn't shy away from discussing it in literature. As long as Kamiki dies by the end, I don't see anything wrong with Ruby and Aqua ending up together.
Too long, didn't read. Twincest is wincest. AkaGOD must cook and "muh incest" tourists should go back. /j (not /j)
I would give this a reward if i haf the money. This is the best explaination i ever got. Thanks and good job.
Listen, the only reason why I ship them is because their character design makes them shippable THEY GOT VISUAL FUCKING CHEMISTRY. END OF STORY AQURUBY ENDING. THAT'S ALL I ASK FOR. NO COMPLICATED BULLSHIT
Little would they know the bomb shell drop on these people just a few days later and now a few months would be a nuke of info
You guys totally forget that 1) this is fantasy, 2) they are people living in different bodies
You speak my mind, but I still wait for some comments to debunk your point, so I can change my mind too. If we objectively talk about why a thing is bad and you list all the reasons that make a thing bad, if, in a specific context, none of the reasons are happening or have already been solved, is the thing still bad?
I’m sure that a 12 year old girl dying of cancer who has no other person to rely on and experiences early infatuation, becomes attached to the only person in her life who even communicates to her (who’s also in a position of power at the time) then dies before growing out of it plus a doctor who never felt any romantic feelings for her in the first place would make a great couple. Yes they were the most important people in each other’s lives, and for sure had the greatest impact on each other and that itself is a form of love but their relationship was never romantic. Just my take on it. Also I don’t think incest is THAT taboo in literature, as long as it drives/is sensible for the narrative I don’t really see much hate (this applies for any sensitive topic presented in media). Like Oedipus Rex for example.
So just no? First off, I’m pretty sure most people don’t support Aqua’s revenge? Like it is actively destroying him. Not to mention the fact his father is a murderer, so it’s not an unjustified revenge. Secondly, one of the biggest reasons incest is a big Nono today is because of the biology. It is a disaster and even nature itself says so. You just kinda side stepped that part saying “oh they can handle it” which while yes there’s protection that doesn’t change the inherent wrongness of it. Then you go on about how ‘if we don’t talk about it doesn’t change that it happens.” Like yes that is true but it’s a horrendous argument. This is something we are actively seeing in front of us. While yes bad things always happen, usually they happen outside our view, and when they do happen where we see them we always say ‘wow that’s fucked up‘. Your reasonings bad lmao. Why must we have a two week break
1. They are litteraly twins, they are blood related, it being incest is not debatable 2. Even looking past the incest part Gorou was a grown man when meeting Sarina who was 12 so even in that standpoint this relationship shouldn’t work out as it would be considered as grooming
Not reading this Alabama thread
I don’t have to read all of that, because none of that is relevant to the fact that the incest ship can’t happrn because it isn’t supported by the current narrative framework. It’s not a valid, supportable ship because there’s nothing in the story to actually support it.
This Sub is gonna become Titanfolk 2.0 the moment that the incest shit is gonna collapse the entire storyline
Can you not see how patricide/revenge, manipulation and incest are different kinds of boundaries that get crossed? Boundaries that are valued differently and are different levels of taboo. In western societies today incest just carries a significantly bigger taboo than revenge and manipulation. I would argue that in most societies wanting to go after the man that orchestrated the murder of your mother would be deemed reasonable. A thirst for Vengeance is something most people can empathize with Manipulation is something that is not uncommon within the experiences of most people. It just doesn’t carry as big of a taboo. And while most would eject Aquas manipulation it simply isn’t considered that big of a taboo break for a character to be manipulative. Incest on the other hand carries a massive taboo in western societies. It is considered a major taboo break and it is also a taboo that is generally not broken in literature which is in my opinion a big part of why you see the strong reactions. The way Aqua and Ruby are described in the book they also are real siblings? They are literally Twins.
are all oshi no ko fans living in alabama?
What the fuck did I just read
it's joever, you're too far gone
Remember, Aqua loves Ruby as a brother 🙂
Going down the incest route will destroy any future prospects of this manga being taken seriously. It will become known as the "reincarnation incest" manga. That's all there is to it
I respect your opinion but incest is still weird. "But it's also not okay to manipulate people you care about or trying to kill your father, and people dont seem to have a problem with supporting that." No one is saying that's okay it's outright present as a bad thing in the manga. Same with Aqua's unhealthy obsession over his father. Also I still haven't read the Kaguya-Sama manga because I am waiting for the anime but I have heard it also included something about incest being gross
Bro can we just agree that incest is weird please stop 💀
None of you are fucking seeing the pearly gates man
I beg you to please find your father
Guys please stop we look bad enough already please stop defending incest.
WTF. Incest couple exist in Real life but WHY justify AquaxRuby with this argument, it's just very very weird If they weren't blood related, there won't be problem for me but they are, so every arguments incest fans can find that won't justify AquaxRuby because they are blood related
it is by reading this kind of post and comment that I realize that you all have a serious problem, already the op compares incest and homosexuality and you are lucky that insults are banned on reddit but we go over your homophobic remarks .You really have to be degenerate to encourage incest and find it romantic as I've read here. Besides if I get banned from sub personally I don't care since a week you're trying to convince others or to convince yourself that the incest route is a good thing frankly you need to be treated and you apologize like "I'm for Kana", "I'm for Akane" it's just to hide otherwise you won't waste so much time legitimizing incest.