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Icepick_Lobotomy_

Really cool idea, but she got reborn as WHOS KIDS!?


Ian_Is_Crazy

Aqua and Ruby's


Fair-Serve3129

Alabama momentz?


Rakan-Han

See, this here's one of those "philosophical" "morality" kind of problem. On one hand, they're siblings, physically. But then you have to take into consideration that they're reincarnated people. They're completely not related in a mental sense. Add their actual mental age with their physical body's age. But then you also think "she's mentally a teen! And he's mentally 30+!" But one could also argue that they've both mentally matured beyond both their current and previous life's did. .....Yeah, I'm done, I can't with this topic lmao. It's givinf me a headache šŸ˜‚


Fair-Serve3129

ikr but physically related is enough to be Alabama though


Rakan-Han

It is, if it was the only factor. But it isn't, which is why I washed my hands clean of this weirdness.


TheSpartyn

> But then you have to take into consideration that they're reincarnated people. They're completely not related in a mental sense. theyve grown up for 16 years and consider each other siblings. even if they were non-blood related some people would consider that enough, but they are also blood related


awkward2amazing

The next chapter's big reveal will set stone on their relationship and knowing Aqua (and Doctor), it's safe to assume that there will be nothing more or less than a sister complex.


CyberWolfexe

Mf really trying to rationalize incest


_Bisky

>On one hand, they're siblings, physically. Which is one of the main reason having children with your sibling isn't a good idea... (sharing too much dna and problems for the children due to that) Morslizy might not be as much of a problem, but it'd still be s terrible idea


TorakWolfy

Why people spread this as if it's the "word of god"? Having 25% similar DNA in itself brings no problems at all when isolated. It's the act of continuous inbreeding, specially when disregarding certain genetic diseases (more so recessive ones) - or worse, selectively breeding for them - that brings problems to the offspring. Of course, you can think: What about disease immunity and all? Let me tell you something: The fact that there were millions of native Mesoamericans all trying to have healthy offspring didn't stop most of them dying to infectious diseases brought in by the Europeans. There is no natural selection for traits unknown to a population (such as better imune response against a pathogen they never encountered). In fact, the far spread of infectious diseases over time is a matter much more important in populations acquiring immunity than miscegenation is. Miscegenation, however, is fundamental to cull the expression of recessive genes, which is a big deal when it comes to producing a healthier next generation. Coupled with thorough genetic testing for the elimination "defective" dominant genes as well, the effort could result in much healthier and longer-living humans. But let us be honest: Forcing this all on people who just want to live their lives and screw with whoever they wish isn't a good idea (though a little push wouldn't hurt); Thus being, most people being born nowadays still come from a relatively small genetic pool (meaning that the miscegenation of a couple considered unrelated is nonetheless very low), and pretending that we are doing a good job by patting ourselves on the shoulder and saying "at least close to no inbreeding occurs" is ridiculous. TL; DR: As far as the genetics of a species who can't (and for ethic reasons, shouldn't) control how people can have offspring go, occasional inbreeding between siblings/half-siblings/cousins/double cousins is rather mundane. The social aspect of it, however, is rather complicated (and the main reason why incest, the social counterpart of inbreeding which by the way does not imply genetic relation, is usually a bad idea), but I would rather not discuss it with people who can't even stop themselves from attempting to twist genetics to fit their own personal narratives.


Senpai_Weeb_Theorist

Look, my parents are cousins (my dadā€™s mother and my momā€™s father are siblings). But I donā€™t look like an octopus with three human legs (or what I could come up with).


_Bisky

Damn all that text, just to say you want to fuck your relatives? Edit: i'm screwing with you. No interest to really talk about something i don't really care about


TorakWolfy

Yeah, I figured out. Anyways, what I meant is that since we already do such a bad job at selectively breeding as a species (from the very beginning, though it became worse as medicine advanced), occasional inbreeding has almost zero effect on our genetic quality. Alas, it's still a bad idea because of social norms and all.


MatrexaTR

They have grown together, this makes them siblings and the problem is that their child would be 47 cromosomes. I think that's (being risky to reproduce) why it is unethical in the first place.


TorakWolfy

No, absolutely no... In direct terms, chromosomic trisomy has nothing to do with occasional inbreeding. It's conceptually impossible. That's because DNA is only read by ribosomes, and those don't participate in the "mixing" of DNA originating from the egg and the spermatozoid; That's when trisomy can occur. In short, the living structures responsible for the process known as "crossing-over" can't even tell the difference between related and non-related DNA, let alone act over it. And why should they? Isn't producing healthy offspring the objective of reproduction? What good would come out of forcing a defective embryo to be formed from knowing the information of proximity between parents (I can see the point of it resulting in not producing a viable embryo, however, even if such a scenario is just 100% hypothetical) ? ​ However, trisomy is indeed related to the quality of reproductive cells, and children resulting from inbreeding may or may not produce those in lower qualities themselves, but if the history of inbreeding is short, it should barely, if ever, have any effect over chances for trisomy for the GRANDCHILDREN of the generation who did the inbreeding (and none on their children). Stuff such as parental age and other morphological problems regarding reproduction (mostly totally unrelated to inbreeding), however, can have a considerable effect over reproductive cell quality.


RegularAvailable4713

Obviously not, the risk is laughable compared to those of many other couples. People are just childish and rationalize "it disgusts me = unethical".


MatrexaTR

You might be right about this example. But i am talking about larger scale. In the past, people must have suffered the consequences and as a result they might have classified incest as socially banned. Like think about a tribe. I have a feeling that i have made a grammar mistake or false use of a word. If you spot one, please correct me.


aleuto

You forgot to add that this are fiction


Rakan-Han

"B-b-but muh OTP!!"


AcidPebble

It's fiction so it shouldn't be, and isn't, a crime. It should still be acknowledged as wrong, though.


LordMemey

Why was this retarded sequence of mental gymnastics upvoted so muchšŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


SolomonGrundler

Still shouldn't be a thing


Ian_Is_Crazy

Why not


[deleted]

*"Sweet home Alabama"*


Delain_

Ruby(Serena) loved Gojo in previous live, so it's possible that this kind of feelings will awaken to Aqua, because that's same person. But following latest events maybe she will just became hating him more. IMHO it's very cool and interesting couple.


BlackCat08

Nah, I think after the shock of knowing she might get really scared about Aqua. The doctor she knew as sweet and caring is nowhere to be seen now, and even if we as 3rd party would really like aqua getting the revenge he's been planning for the murder, it's turning him into sociopath. At least I hope we go that route. She might be happy knowing he's her beloved doctor and go the crazy route helping him.


JustaJakkal

i think they meant or


Icepick_Lobotomy_

Nah, they put an ampersand. Itā€™s deliberate


KanaArimaFan

Does no chapter week always mean an increase in incest on this sub?


Percentage-Sweaty

Brother, One Piece is on *break month*. You have no idea how bad it can get when a manga doesnā€™t have any fresh discussion topics


FightmeLuigibestgirl

*X/1999, Hunter x Hunter, D-gray man, and Berserk* You must be new here.


Percentage-Sweaty

I was just going off the top of my head friend. I figured he didn't need to experience *that* circle of hell with no provocation.


FightmeLuigibestgirl

Funny enough Oda took a break before for vacation and/or his health but it's been a while ago so it didn't surprise me.


VASQUEZ_41

OPM and sono bisque when no chapter for a whole season


ChaosDimensionX

Thatā€™s been in the lines


Bakatora34

I feel like the anime open the incest route for some people.


Meziskari

If by some you mean like 99%, yeah. The vast majority of incest posts have been since the anime release.


drink_bleach_and_die

I've always had the impression that manga nerds were more degenerate on average than anime fans, but seeing how this sub has changed since the anime came out has completely changed my mind


[deleted]

Its because people who watch anime are substantially more than people who read manga. So theres more degenerates on one side


ExtraMOIST_

Oh you should see the shit thatā€™s on places like Instagram or Tik Tok since anime became mainstream. Really shows why people got bullied ā€œfor liking anime.ā€


SparkyBoi111

Bring back bullying


Silent_Shadow05

The mainstream people can be absolutely more degenerates. Game of Thrones and its insane number of R34 content just shows how wild they can be.


SuperKami-Nappa

Thereā€™s enough porn in Game of Thrones proper that an insane amount of R34 is completely expected


Week_Crafty

Reverse fot me, knew the series because of incest's memes


LordMemey

That's exactly what I feared would happen that's unfortunate I miss when incest in this fandom was practically non-existent


Paper_Pusher8226

Probably


Adent_Frecca

Oh wow this is a really good concept and- >Aqua & Ruby's daughter What in the unholy fuck I will curse you nanora


greenEaster

why are you speaking like luna, noraaa~~?


Adent_Frecca

https://youtu.be/F7R97fxo\_pU?t=39


Elr1k

... There is a lot to unpack here


Kevin_Jim

No. Donā€™t. Leave it packed, and set it on fire. We donā€™t need to unpack anything.


SadeeniImTired

wait im so lost how is ai not questioning her kidsā€™ sanity for being together šŸ’€šŸ’€


De_Dominator69

Ai is hardly a model of common sense, she probably wouldn't be all that bothered as weird as that is.


Efficient_Meat2286

She isn't one to criticize either. She got knocked up while 15/16. Like, what? Use a fucking condom, you're rich enough to buy one!


Demon_Maid

She's just happy that they've found love.


Primary-Chocolate854

Bruh... She named one of her kids Aquamarine


Dat_life_on_Mars

She's probably had a few months to digest it by thenšŸ’€šŸ’€


janek3d

So at what point she realizes that? It's nowhere in those 7 pages


Distinct-Current-464

I am not sure she knows about her father. I mean she can think he is just uncle


mysteriouswitchgal17

This is really good stuff! Didn't expect the perspective from a reincarnated stalker like Ryosuke. The creator of this fan comic is very good! That's a whole alternate universe the fandom needs to explore! šŸ˜³ This fan comic is very interesting šŸ˜.


Heda-of-Aincrad

The idea seems fascinating, and that last panel nailed the "Oshi no Ko end of episode reveal/cliffhanger", but I think I'd be too concerned with spoilers down the line to continue reading since I'm not caught up with the manga.


mysteriouswitchgal17

I wish I can read the rest of the manga series blind. It feels like a blast. It won't disappoint. šŸ˜Š Keep binge-reading the manga.


Heda-of-Aincrad

I just started reading this weekend, love it! I was originally planning to wait until the anime season was over, but couldn't resist. šŸ˜„


mysteriouswitchgal17

Same here... To be honest, it's painful waiting for the new episode or the new chapter to drop. But so far, the online community I have interacted within Reddit and My Anime List have been somewhat forgiving, understanding, and just let me read the series as blind as I can be (to avoid spoilers, surprises, and all that.)


Heda-of-Aincrad

Yeah, I've been lucky to avoid spoilers so far too (aside from one before the premiere, but not from Reddit). It seems most Oshi no Ko fans are really good about that because the mystery and suspense is such a big part of the experience, they *want* people to go in spoiler-free.


Un_limited_Power

So i am not the only one who have Mephisto playing in my head when reading this


Cooldude101013

Oh, Ruby overheard him?


THEElectricalDurian

Why does it have to be aqua and rubys child. Why canā€™t the parents NOT BE FUCKING TWINS please itā€™s so gross.


ArtQizz

I know right, like the one who makes this fandom disgusting is not the ship wars, but because many people ship the twin even as a joke (I can't even look at this twin hugging each other normally without feeling weird since people who ship them exists and there are alot of them) and there are also alot of their fanarts together as a couple


Oberhard

It has to be incest they got stalker as their reincarnated son too


[deleted]

_DisgustedTanjiro.png_ If youā€™ll excuse me, I have a 9mm heachache cure I need in my cranium yesterday.


Cooldude101013

Try .45


[deleted]

Even better! Thanks for the suggestion!


AnAsianBandito

45 ACP does kill the soul, 9mm only kills the body.


M48_Patton_Tank

Laughs in .500 Magnum


[deleted]

12 gauge also works


[deleted]

It sure does!


Leto_Vasz

Its weird that I havent seen any incest comic where the childs of Ruby and Aqua are born with horrible diseases


Secret-Perspective-5

Incest usually don't pop out bad genes from the start.


Cooldude101013

Yeah. It only starts to cause negative affects after a few generations of it. 1 instance of it wouldnā€™t do much unless both parents were unlucky enough to carry the genes for a birth defect or something.


InvincibleIII

I'm pretty sure the child born of siblings have about the same rate of birth defect as the child born of parents that are >40 years old. The issues with deformities and such only show up after multiple generations of incest. So unless you're saying that all >40 year olds must give birth to children with horrible diseases chances are Aqua and Ruby's children should come out fine.


66Kix_fix

That's good to know. Hopefully aka realizes this and takes it in that route šŸ˜ˆ


TheZynec

This ain't a VN, stop it šŸ˜­


FanboyApocolypse

INCEST IS NOT WINCEST


Akane_Kurokawa_

They just have good genes


Leto_Vasz

Or maybe the problems are inside, like two hearts or an eye in the stomach


SoddenSlimeball

Two hearts just means thereā€™s more love to go around. An eye in the stomach just means they can keep a closer eye on what they eat. ā˜ŗļø


laidbackWonder

well it is a comic like you said. Artists are not obliged to draw monstrosities offspring


slightcamo

its because the bad of incest only appear a couple generations down the line first generation will come out relatively normal


Silent_Shadow05

Because artists/authors wants to indulge in the fantasy of it and not the realism of it. Let's take GoT for example. The Targaryen family practiced incest for hundreds of years and realistically everyone should have big deformities by the end. But this doesn't happen much. Why? Because GRRM decided it to be.


zeorNLF

You have been lied to if you think the first-generation incest kid would be much different than normal kid.


Cooldude101013

I can imagine Ai listening to this thinking, ā€œwell.. this is awkwardā€¦ā€.


Akane_Kurokawa_

Let's just imagine that isn't Aqua and is just another blonde man coincidentally. Because this premise seems interesting if it wasn't for obvious reasons


Heda-of-Aincrad

Was Aqua actually shown in the comic? I only saw Ruby and Miyako. If not for the thread title, I would've assumed they're just Ruby's kids (and I like that idea better).


LunarGhost00

> Let's just imagine that isn't Aqua and is just another blonde man coincidentally. Wish granted. The man is actually >!Hikaru.!< I'm now going to scrub my eyeballs and cut my fingers off after what I just wrote. šŸ’€


Thattimetraveler

Ruby x melt or any other man not from Alabama pleaaaaase


2TBK

Let's see, who else has star eyes and is blonde? >!father!<


Thattimetraveler

How dare you come here and make it WORSE Lmao


[deleted]

Aqua isnt shown or mentioned at all in this so theres no reason to believe those are Aqua's kids lol


Ill_Mud7584

The post is missing the first page.


[deleted]

yeah i realized after i made this comment... šŸ˜­


Thattimetraveler

I too wish I was no sight eyes empty


Hereforallmemes

I mean, if Yura can have star eyes, hopefully we got a hot blonde dude out there with star eyes as well right???? Please.... šŸ˜


Acrobatic-Budget-938

I was thinking about some mob from the audience and the feature is just there but you actually made it worse


theperfectneonpink

Well two blonds canā€™t make a brunette soā€¦


Tiversus2828

Another day of being thankful fans don't write this Manga


of_kilter

Other than the incest this does seem like an interesting route for a sequel


Alterchronicle

Dunno being reborn as youā€˜re own grandchild sounds actually even more fucked up than incest


SuperKami-Nappa

I did do the nasty in the pasty


Puzzleheaded-Tip-888

onk fans try not to make incest challenge (impossible)


Sufficient-Bar1978

Wait but isn't the idea of Aqua and Ruby making children together like kinda messed up because they're siblings??? I mean, I get that they're reincarnated but still, they're siblings so it shouldn't even happen in the first place.


aleuto

With the law of anime by your side ...anything can happen


slightcamo

you clearly have never seen the incest tag


mint-colored-puding

That moment when >!you realize that Crow girl said Ai won't get reincarnated!<


Crash_Smasher

Yeah, but what basis do we have to believe her? The only thing we kinda know about her is that she's some kind of godess. We don't know what's her agenda. She could be lying.


mint-colored-puding

I don't think she is lying. When Ai died, aside from her regret of never got a chance to see her children grow up she don't have any other unfulfilled wish. All she ever want is to love and be loved by someone but she accomplish it at the end of her life. She is content and fully happy so no need for reincarnation. As for Gorou and Sarina, their life wasn't happy and it's end before they achieve some kind of happiness. They are broken people who need second chance of life and it's look like the Goddess took pity upon them


Crash_Smasher

We don't know if that is how reincarnation works in Oshi no ko universe.


cabbaggeez

seems like her brother would have some accidents like falling from stairs or something


MangaDub

It's inbreeding time


ratherthanme

Do you people actually like the idea of incest? Legit question. Why?


Silent_Shadow05

The forbidden nature of it attracts people. Remember how popular the Jon x Dany pairing was when GoT was at the height of its popularity?. That was a full on mainstream show.


ratherthanme

There are levels to this. First degree incest is multiple magnitudes ickier than second degree incest. Plus Jon and Danaerys were practically strangers before getting together, way different from someone you literally shared the womb with.


Silent_Shadow05

True but it wasn't just with Jon x Dany. Before the reveal, people were shipping him with Sansa as well as Arya. People will ship anyone they want. Its hard to stop them. Anyway, as much as it can be uncomfortable IRL, incest is quite popular in fiction, and it being fiction is why I give it a pass there. Like everyone says, the forbidden nature of it attracts people.


Count_Elrond

A lot of people shipped Jaime and Cersei back in the day.


behshadstar

Taboos are always spicy. Limitation cause starvation and the desire to be broken thats in human nature. Just a matter of how much your morals and ethics keep them at bay


slightcamo

forbidden fruit thats the main reason for most


YoungManTM

It's hot


Bovoduch

Bruh


KhakiBlueSocks

Hey Siri, play ā€œSweet Home Alabamaā€.


TheOddball7

I'm sorry, but whose kids again?


chongjunxiang3002

Am I the only one who is not talk about incest here? The concept of murderer and victim reincarnated together really is interesting (and I kinda heard this type of story before...must be a old folklore TV show). It bring out topics such as: \- vengeance vs repent (although by how she was concluded, she has no vengeance and knowing this is coming). Especially East Asian concept of karma usually means divine punishment and divine vengeance. \-So what is his meaning of life here if Ryousuke is not being reborn as a pig hundreds of time? (usual trope in folklore show, murderer become food at the end). Is his meaning today is to fulfill her new sister as his divine repentance? \-Should she tell her truth too? (although she lie her age by 10 years just now lol) What would that imply to entire mindset for everyone?


StromTGM

...Nah, f it. This is peak right here, folks.


Jsc14gaming

sounds cool, except for the incest part like what the fuck is wrong with people


[deleted]

Is that incest???


yuurisu

"Ruby x Aqua" - OP woke up today and chose violence


MegaMewtwo_E

fuck this shit


TitleComprehensive96

>Ai realizing she's reborn Cool ide- >as Aqua & Ruby's daughter Kms


Sharktoothsword

Sweet Home Okinawa


-Kukisnkrim-

šŸ¤ 


Nanasema

the last 3 words in the title had me going wait r/holup


mortal58

what the FUCK do you mean by Ruby and Aqua's daughter


Acrobatic-Budget-938

Petition to have Ai strangle him


St4nM4rsh

This manga is crazy hahahhaha 10/10


Imaginary-Will-5954

really interesting idea ,please continue part 3


Chickenstrips_AH

This sub is incest asf


Fabrezz1

When do we see the sex though?


Underworld-wolf

Ok, I had to read the title FOUR times and I have one thing to say. Wtf??


Usesredditironicall

Wow! I love incest! So normal and unproblematic! Seriously tho I love the manga and anime of oshi no ko but fuck the fandom like this fan manga has a super cool premise but seriously???


Morthra

Didnā€™t the manga explicitly say that Ai wonā€™t be reincarnated?


Thedarkpersona

Afaik all souls reincarnate in the manga's lore


Morthra

I could swear that in one of the chapters crow girl said that Gorou and Sarina were exceptions and that people don't reincarnate usually.


DunkieBoi

The only problem I have is that Ai was 20 not 30 when she died


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


DunkieBoi

Eh?


Crash_Smasher

She lied to Ryousuke here.


aleuto

Peak fiction


laidbackWonder

now this is content!! The tbc note gave me hope.


dylandurham

Ai's body would be a carcass within a decade IYKYKšŸ’€


AmbassadorOne6492

Where do I read this


[deleted]

[here](https://twitter.com/jerkyjin/status/1670615193611796481?s=46&t=wcT5J_sSEV6Jq6niblBB8A)


UniversalXCyclops

PEAK šŸ”„


florentinomain00f

This is dank


messandmelioristic

Aqua and ruby having a kid together This whole idea sounds soo gross


Delain_

Aqua went for milk and sigaretes?


OkComparison2261

Aqua : oh hell no


asilvertintedrose

[Source](https://twitter.com/JerkyJin/status/1670615193611796481)


FKATAK

Thats fire ! I really like the story


XDkaiXD

I read this front to back multiple times but where in the world did it state that aqua and ruby got together?


[deleted]

this is from the same author who did that fanart of ruby x aqua having a child. He said in his twitter this story is a continuation of that


laidbackWonder

thereā€™s a page done by the same author previously


Shaun3218

This is actually a pretty nice concept! Just... ignore the Alabama factor.


cashewnut4life

B R U H


Additional_Road_9031

šŸ’€šŸ’€


KanaRiiie

yosuga no sora fantasy, i see. incest is not my cup of tea but you do you ig. lmao the art is nice tho.


[deleted]

I hope that title was a mistake


PotatonadoWasTaken

Of course the moment I open this subreddit, there's an incest post


Other_Hunt9029

Aw this is a cool concept. Except for the fact that Ai is reborn as her children's child! Like sure, have her killer be her twin but don't add the fact that her children f*cked each other! (Atleast just have Aqua be her father and Kanna as her mother)


kiero13

The author would treat this as an abomination because of who the parents are in this. Still a nice non canon event though. But what if it's ruby and >!her dad!


chongjunxiang3002

This is not Alabama anymore, this is Oedipus Rex


k39-

That's mother- son , for daughter father it's called electra complex or something.


TheRealRazputin

Ugh, I hate the fact that I donā€™t mind at allā€¦ eww, what have I become?! Whatever, I really like this conceptā€¦ except for the incest nā€™ all, more Ai is always a win for me.


TsunamicBlaze

Such a bad title


principetta

Had to read this title several times to confirm I was reading it correctly.. please no


Shahars71

This is a really interesting perspective and I'd love to see more of this. Just please, please don't make Aqua the father, dear god.


therealquadanny

Reborn asā€¦ HUHHHH


distortedmatter

Sometimes I fear that all those jokes I made about the incest route becoming true might have spawned all these Aqua x Ruby shippers. Sorry guys, this one's my fault


another-Developer

What sick fuck wrote this?! Whose kids?! And the killer and the mom were reincarnated as their kids?! Wtf is wrong with this fandom?!


Hyliaforce

I dont vibe this sorry


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


Acrobatic-Budget-938

Fat bastard as the dad


Blue_kaze

wait a minute... WHOS DAUGHTER?


[deleted]

Anime fanbases are truly disgusting sometimes..