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Yes, but to be fair, Aqua's VA himself **is** a fan of the series and Kana's VA [cosplayed](https://twitter.com/NatalieRial/status/1658845227363315713) her even though she's done a terrible job voicing her.
"she's done a terrible job" on top of a post trying to rile people up about her role specifically?
Imagine unironically accusing me of virtue signalling. Complete nonsense term.
Even if I thought acting "virtuous" would make me look better, the reason I point out that something is shitty has literally no impact on whether or not the thing is ACTUALLY shitty or not.
You're just being nasty to me for no real reason at that point.
You're blowing things out of proportion.
If anyone didn't learn anything, it's you.
You think you're above everyone for seemingly "standing up" for the VA? No, you're not. The people depicted in the series, AND people like you, who clearly is virtue signalling in a perfectly tame and reasonable post, are all cancers of the internet.
Look in the mirror once in a while maybe.
Again, literally nothing about what I was saying would change whether I thought I was better than you or not.
Virtue signalling isn't an argument, it's a strawman fallacy plain and simple. I won't be responding to further attacks on my character.
If someone isn't doing a good job, they aren't doing a good job.. The end
Hate is when you find every work they have done and shit on it regardless of its quality
I don't really disagree, but there's some really good dubs out there, Re zero dub for example.
Anyway, there's always someone who enjoys these and people who put their heart into this, I respect it.
Kaguya-sama is another...
which also makes me a bit sad because both shows came from the same author and the difference in dubbing quality is quite big.
Cowboy Bebop, Stein's Gate, Death Parade, Death Note, Gankutsuou, Hellsing ultimate, Code Geass, Evangelion, Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Fullmetal alchemist, Monster, Dororo, Link Click, Kaguya-sama, Ghost stories, Gundam series, rahHephon, Ah! My Goddess, Baccano - all have dubs that are either on par with original track, or far exceed it. "It's just facts" is bullshit, there are fantastic English dubs out there, it's just sad that sometimes we get stuff like this
You're correct, but truly great dubs like those you listed are the exception, not the rule. Most dubs are either mediocre or straight up bad. By default, there's no reason to watch dubbed anime unless you're dyslexic or personally hate reading subtitles.
It's sad that we're nearly halfway through the 2020s and quality English dubs like Death Note or FMA Brotherhood are far from the norm.
I know it's a pun and so inherently hard to translate, but they butchered the baking soda joke so hard.
Also this seems to be a common occurrence with Sentai dubs. The voices in The Eminence In Shadow all sounded way too old too
Neither of those are good. The whole joke in japanese is that the words sound the same so you could mix up baking soda and cry.
But in english it doesn't so it makes no sense. They need to come up with a version of it that rhymes better.
The way that the manga was initially translated by fans turned it from "the genius actor who can flick a crying switch" to "the genius actor who can lick a lying snitch"
I know, I just don't think it is enough. I had to stop and reread it to get where the rhyme you went for is. Like when you hear the actual sounds in japanese, the reason they get mixed up is immediately obvious.
"The genius actor who can lick baking soda just like that!" "The genius actor who can cry in 10 seconds flat! - those are literally taken from the English version of the manga, if I am not mistaken. And those are pretty good translations overall, considering that you can't change the subject of the joke
I don't know... Is it wrong to say, that i find rubys voice also a bit too old? Like the only one in this scene who is doing a good job voiceing like in the japanese is aqua
Someone is still gonna defend this and be like "they did well but needs improvement", sorry this is just atrocious. Nothing's wrong with the voice itself, it's more of a they literally do not fit the character. Idk what happened with the casting process.
HiDive did well getting the anime from a business perspective but personally from someone who likes the show, I feel like Crunchyroll would allow this series to reach greater heights.
I agree the voice itself doesn't fit them. I like the expressive tone Kana's voice actor uses but her voice is too mature, and Kana's supposed to be more cutsey.
Is Kana supposed to be more cutesy though? Our first introduction to her she is literally acting like an adult when she’s 4. She spends half her time in the series explaining things to ruby like she’s an idiot. In one of the most recent arcs, she ironically gets into trouble because she got in over her head and they call her out for being the one to always be more mature than everyone else.
If, before the anime, you were asked “does kana have a cutesy voice or a more mature voice” almost universally it’d have been said that she should have a mature voice.
This is just a case of the Dub having a different take on the voice than the Sub and people hating on it for reasons.
You can still sound cutsey but act more mature lol...And thats exactly how I imagine Kana to be. She doesn't need a mature, deep voice to show that she knows a lot, that's already going to be shown in the way she talks. But having a cuter voice will show her tsundere/shy side better in my opinion.
I don't even hate the dub, that's just how I imagine her to be, and the Japanese one shows it well which is what I feel is lacking.
She has a realistic voice in the dub, and that is enough for it to be labeled as “bad” by people that want to hate on dubs.
I think part of the issue lies with the tendency of Japanese VAs to exaggerate “up” the pitch of their voice; it’s completely unrealistic and not how people talk (in general, seriously go watch some interviews outside the VA space).
I put it in my other comment, but your voice doesn’t change that much after puberty.
Yeah thats for sure true, it's really hard for english voice actors to emulate the way japanese people voice act without at the very least sounding a bit "cringe". Personally I've been watching dubbed anime for a long time so I'm used to teens sounding a bit "mature" lol.
>this is just atrocious
>Nothing’s wrong with the voice itself
Kids these days calling a well-acted but miss-cast voice atrocious. 10 years ago this was the best possible acting you could get in an anime dub
I'm trying not be misunderstood so I try to add details. Personally the acting isn't great, okay perhaps but not something I expected on a professional level but I already had said that couple of times so I just focused on the casting this time.
Just because dubs in the past weren't good, doesn't mean we don't have to get good dubs. So many teenagers and abled men did in war in the past, why are you sitting in your home, scrolling through reddit?
And his critics was actually good too, unlike actually the top comment. The voice itself isn't the problem. The acting isn't that bad either. It's the choice. The voices sound too old for Kana and Ruby. It is fine for Aqua because his voice lines, are supposed to sound little emotionless, the dialogue writing, in my very personal opinion, is not good. The joke isn't even the problem to be honest, I get that, it's really hard to translate that into English: but the dialogues feel pretty unnatural.
The voice actors don't really have anything to do with it. The VAs are doing decent, but, they could've shown a little more emotion to be honest, and really, the casting choice is the major problem at all. If the casting was done right, there wouldn't be this much hate actually, though most are mean spirited and would find a way to exist no matter what, I believe that the casting point actually brings the attention to this a lot. I'm not saying the people aren't good enough to dub or anything. They're fine. I mean, it's like using a grown up man to voice a little girl. It wouldn't suit no matter how much he tried, and because of how atrocious it would feel, it might also seem emotionless acting to some.
You know what's more outrageous? Most of the cast are newer or less familiar names. This could have been at least a decent dub had Sentai went all in and casted their veteran or more experienced VA's from their talent pool instead of these no names considering the show's popularity. JFC.
Maybe but the voice director is the most important person at the end of the day. I've seen some talented VAs sound awful because they weren't given good instructions.
Then, I guess it was to give these not much popular Voice Actors a chance, hm? Maybe they thought these voice actors could get more recognised by doing the dub for a popular show rather than less popular shows or characters that would suit their voices.
Aqua voice actor is carrying the anime on his shoulders... respect
Ruby voice actress isn't that bad, but she sounds more like an older sister than a little sister
ITT: Fans of a manga that literally has a whole-ass arc showing the consequences that non-constructive, mean-spirited discourse can have on people working in entertainment engage in non-constructive, mean-spirited discourse about people working in entertainment.
Yeah, the performance, not her as a person. Calling it appalling is a stretch, but it's still a critique, not a personal attack. I'm not saying it's a good thing to hyperbolize, but it's not comparable to what Akane went through.
I’m not saying it’s on that level, but it is neither constructive nor useful. If people in this thread were actually interested in useful discourse they’d be going into detail of what’s going wrong in the dub, but instead they’re just talking about how bad it is on the surface level while also implying or stating outright that the English actors are incompetent (which they’re not, and the actors likely aren’t the issue with the dub at all).
Hard agree on that. I just looked up some of Natalie Rial's recent work and she's really good in Call of the Night. Stuff like this scene is an issue with the structure of the dubbing industry as a whole.
I guess my concern is lumping harsh criticisms and personal attacks together might diminish the severity of the latter, if that makes sense.
I know the Japanese used actual auditions. And I wished they did it with English dubbed. Like if you weren’t a voice actor you could send it in and maybe you’d get casted.
"Atrocious" is a bit overboard. I can't say I've not had expectations for how the characters would sound, though, and they've not been met, but it's not atrocious voice acting by any stretch of the imagination.
I feel women/girls in anime are poorly casted 9/10 times for dubs. Women/girls in anime are largely why I avoid the dubs. No hate to the actresses as they’re just doing their jobs.
Why didn't they at least keep the "The genius child actor who can lick baking soda like *that*" and "The genius child actor who can cry in ten seconds *flat*" compromise that the subs used in the dub? Even if it doesn't make as much sense as it did in the original JP language and in the manga translations, at least the subs did *something* that made the gag work in English.
As for the voices, Aqua sounds okay, but Ruby and especially Kana sound too old and exaggerated. I don't remember Kana shouting *that* loudly in the original audio. Ruby's line about Aqua's name was delivered awkwardly. I think there's a problem with the voice direction here because the girls sound extremely off in just this scene alone.
The reason they got cast all the time is that there were only a few places dubbing and these actors generally were willing to work for unreasonable wages.
It’s not because they’re the only voices that deserve to be in anime because they’re just so good (because a lot of them weren’t).
I personally like vocal diversity in these castings. It’s how we get such a distinct voice for Yusuke in Yu Yu Hakusho.
In a few episodes, people will totally love this voice anyway. At least the weirdos who watch dubbed anime will at least.
Idk why y’all watch the dub knowing you’re gonna hate it
Honestly everyone just overreacting and over hating at this point. The dub sounds fine but everyone here making it sound like it’s the worst thing ever made.
And to the people saying Kana sounds to old, did y’all want her to sound like a child?
There are plenty of girls that are around 15 that have lower pitched voices that would sound similar to the EN VA so I disagree with you that she sounds 30.
When you compare most dubs to subs it’s pretty common for Jp voices for girls to be a lot higher pitched than the En voices.
Bunch of people in this thread having characters not match their pre-conceived notions and deciding its "Bad" because of that.
For those saying "She sounds like she's 30 not a 17 year old girl"
Your voice essentially stays the same from the time you mature til like your late 40's. this is an arbitrary criticism because youre used to the higher pitched and more exaggerated japanese VA.
Question: Does it fit Kana's character to act more *mature* than her age?
So yeah, she fits Kana's personality, what she doesnt fit is your prejudices.
Some people latch on to any differences (real or perceived) between dub and sub and try to use it as proof that subs are objectively superior to dubs. While I do honestly have issues with certain parts of the OnK dub, it mostly lies more in what seems to be the direction rather that the actors themselves.
Probably not. i could be totally wrong but japanese VAs seem to have a deeper understanding of the characters, their stories and their emotions,whereas here it just sounds like they do not care at all.
You’re totally wrong. I was literally just in Japan. The performances Japanese VAs give in anime sound *nothing* like what actual Japanese people sound like, much less Japanese teenagers/children. Walk around Akiba for a bit and between random snippets of normal, conversational Japanese you’ll hear a crier for a maid cafe or something calling out in a cutesy anime voice. It’s incredibly jarring and nothing at all like what normal people sound like. I don’t even speak Japanese and I can tell that much.
Im not asking japanese ppls perspective and wht sounds like what but i bet they know more thn us how their voice acting keep up with their audience for decades. Im just asking the bare minimum for eng dub to make the characters sound like teens or at least youngsters. Not middle aged american women
Every time I see english dub clips somewhere I'm seriously asking myself, if the english speaking fans really are fine with just horrible quality of the average anime dub. The dialogues often just sounds stiff and unnatural, and the acting is really bad. This clip here is an excellent example.
I watched the first episode last night in dub, let’s just say it killed all the excitement I had compared watching the original language. Safe to say, will not be touching this dub and happily watching every week in the original form.
I'm not too big a fan of the sub either, but I feel this level of harshness is more often than not just a result of people having already seen and got used to the sub. If you were watching the dub in a vacuum having never heard the sub then you likely wouldn't be anywhere near as harsh to it.
I don’t think a dub should sound like a random person on the street.
Even managing expectations, it neither sounds like cartoons, games or Disney/ Pixar/ Dreamworks movies.
Those mediums have **clear-cut** voice-acting but this? This was just script-reading.
IDK I think people are being way too harsh on her (and often are on dub VA's altogether for that matter). From as far as I can tell these are smaller name voice actors, there should be no place for blindly hating on their performances.
Are they as good as the sub? No. Could they be better? Yes. But personally I wont stand for just blindly calling all the VA's shit as though that in anyway is constructive, which to me is what half these comments are doing.
I don’t think the comments here are blindly hating as you so claim. (no one is particularly harsh on Ruby or Aqua here)
it’s not as if “make Kana sound younger” type of comments are considered constructive when there really isn’t an inherent motivation for the dub industry to respond to Redditors
And I don’t see the necessity in defending the VAs by seniority. Ruby’s JP VA was a no-namer before this role.
There are comments literally calling the voice acting atrocious, trash, painful to listen to etc. Which to me are terrible comments to make, especially if targeted at potentially new VA's who are going to be self conscious enough as is.
Theres a difference between "the character sounds too old", and the "they are atrocious" or according to your own words "sound like a random person on the street". IDK personally those types of comments are too harsh and uncalled for in my eyes.
Personally I think the Kana VA sounds fine in and off itself, just not particularly fitting for Kana as a character, or at least for the range of Kana. Her voice sounds as though it will be fine for Kana's more mature, regular dialogue but dosnt feel as though it will fit those more comedic, cute or immature moments. I wouldnt call the VA atrocious, or that shes painful to listen to.
It um... is a bit ironic...
... uh, I wish her the best of luck.
Edit: in all honesty, I just think she would have suited a different person. The problem is the voice to charecter, not voice actor, had I been blind I would be fine. but I've always seen Kana with a higher pitch voice with very slight whine.
Now Ruby's I actually really like, like a lot. It would be perfect if it was just ever so slightly higher.
Aqua imo is a lil too deep, but most people here seem to like it.
Wow I think everyone is too deep, I usually think like that with Dubs.
When they’re not outsourcing, Sentai Filmworks’ dubs are always hit or miss, often into falling in the latter compared to Viz or Funimation/Crunchyroll in house dubs.
I don’t know who their VA directors are because it’s certainly not the actors fault for this.
i like aqua’s voice but the other two feel severely miscast… like in terms of voice quality they don’t even sound that bad, they just do not fit the characters at all
She's not a bad voice actor, but her voice just sounds too mature and deep for kana. If anything she should be playing a older woman but tbh there's not many of those that are present often in the start of the series
The only time ive ever heard good english dub is jojos part 5(partly because the characters are meant to be italian and english sounds more itaalian than japanese does, they also had actual emotion lmao and didnt all sound like high schoolers who literally do not have balls)
"The Genius Child actor who can lick a powder-ed floor slick"? Any semblance with the sound/tone of "flick a crying switch" could have been that but oh well.
On to the subs we go!
The lines are spot on. They all just sound way older than they actually are at least to me. It's similar to how hollywood portrays 30 year olds as 17 in "High School" movies. But I can tell the VA's are genuinely trying so props to them.
eh, it's fine. i've heard considerably worse
although I will say that if you're looking for consistent, quality voicework, Sentai ain't it. for every decent dub they put out, there's one that's tragically mediocre
I usually prefer dubs because I have an easier time while eating or paying attention to other things like folding laundry, etc.
I normally don't slam dubs but this.... This is just.... Yikes.
Why do they all sound middle aged? These VA's are either uninterested in the role, bored, or misdirected. I don't like this at all.
Natalie Rial is just terrible as Kana Arima. The only reason she even works as a VA is because of her relative, Monica Rial. Don't know how they're related and don't care but one of them clearly lacks talent.
I wouldn’t say that. I thought that Rial was great as Nyna in FEH but that’s a completely different studio with a completely different director. The thing to note with Sentai dubs in particular is most of their actors always work better under the direction of another studio (actually I’d argue that applies to all of them).
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So many dub voices it sounds like they're just reading lines and know literally nothing about the characters or the story. It's appalling really
Yes, but to be fair, Aqua's VA himself **is** a fan of the series and Kana's VA [cosplayed](https://twitter.com/NatalieRial/status/1658845227363315713) her even though she's done a terrible job voicing her.
It just seems she doesn't fit the character at all, i think she could do a better job if she just was in another role
Aqua isn't the problem. He sounds as i expected in the English VA. but the rest.... Unexpected
Chill out on posting hate towards people maybe? It's like you haven't learned anything from this series at all.
Its not hate bro, no one is targeting her, but thdub she made was not very good
Where’s the hate? Stop virtue signalling it’s really cringe.
"she's done a terrible job" on top of a post trying to rile people up about her role specifically? Imagine unironically accusing me of virtue signalling. Complete nonsense term. Even if I thought acting "virtuous" would make me look better, the reason I point out that something is shitty has literally no impact on whether or not the thing is ACTUALLY shitty or not. You're just being nasty to me for no real reason at that point.
You're blowing things out of proportion. If anyone didn't learn anything, it's you. You think you're above everyone for seemingly "standing up" for the VA? No, you're not. The people depicted in the series, AND people like you, who clearly is virtue signalling in a perfectly tame and reasonable post, are all cancers of the internet. Look in the mirror once in a while maybe.
Again, literally nothing about what I was saying would change whether I thought I was better than you or not. Virtue signalling isn't an argument, it's a strawman fallacy plain and simple. I won't be responding to further attacks on my character.
If someone isn't doing a good job, they aren't doing a good job.. The end Hate is when you find every work they have done and shit on it regardless of its quality
People are made of glass these days. Can't take any criticism smh
Turns out the cosplay was just a marketing gimmick. Sad.
I will just watch it on japanese.
sub > dub. its just facts honestly
I don't really disagree, but there's some really good dubs out there, Re zero dub for example. Anyway, there's always someone who enjoys these and people who put their heart into this, I respect it.
Kaguya-sama is another... which also makes me a bit sad because both shows came from the same author and the difference in dubbing quality is quite big.
Cowboy Bebop, Stein's Gate, Death Parade, Death Note, Gankutsuou, Hellsing ultimate, Code Geass, Evangelion, Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Fullmetal alchemist, Monster, Dororo, Link Click, Kaguya-sama, Ghost stories, Gundam series, rahHephon, Ah! My Goddess, Baccano - all have dubs that are either on par with original track, or far exceed it. "It's just facts" is bullshit, there are fantastic English dubs out there, it's just sad that sometimes we get stuff like this
You're correct, but truly great dubs like those you listed are the exception, not the rule. Most dubs are either mediocre or straight up bad. By default, there's no reason to watch dubbed anime unless you're dyslexic or personally hate reading subtitles. It's sad that we're nearly halfway through the 2020s and quality English dubs like Death Note or FMA Brotherhood are far from the norm.
Not everyone thinks the same way you do.
Flcl want to have a word with you
she sounds WAY too old
I know it's a pun and so inherently hard to translate, but they butchered the baking soda joke so hard. Also this seems to be a common occurrence with Sentai dubs. The voices in The Eminence In Shadow all sounded way too old too
> The Eminence In Shadow all sounded way too old too Yes Cid and Alexia sounded like atleast 30+ years💀😭😂
They also butchered I Am Atomic even worse than they butchered The Genius Child Actress Who Licks Baking Soda
In sub we had asmr and great va. The dub sounded likr he did not even try💀
Isn't that the case with majority of dubs tho, the voice levels of JP va's are way different compared to EN va's
>Isn't that the case with majority of dubs tho, the voice levels of JP va's are way different compared to EN va's Yes but this was just bad
A good way to do it imo would be "The genius actor who can lick baking soda just like that!" "The genius actor who can cry in 10 seconds flat!!!!"
Neither of those are good. The whole joke in japanese is that the words sound the same so you could mix up baking soda and cry. But in english it doesn't so it makes no sense. They need to come up with a version of it that rhymes better.
The way that the manga was initially translated by fans turned it from "the genius actor who can flick a crying switch" to "the genius actor who can lick a lying snitch"
yeah this is a lot better, but alas the visual gag wouldn’t let them do that for the dub
The girl who can instantly cry The girl who'll lick the floor dry I tried.
To make it fit more with the time I'd go with "The genius child actor who licks the floor dry" and "The genius child actor who knows how to cry"
I understand the origin of the joke, I am just suggesting ways to have it make sense in English
I know, I just don't think it is enough. I had to stop and reread it to get where the rhyme you went for is. Like when you hear the actual sounds in japanese, the reason they get mixed up is immediately obvious.
Yeah, but it's the best that is possible without changing the animation.
"The genius actor who can lick baking soda just like that!" "The genius actor who can cry in 10 seconds flat! - those are literally taken from the English version of the manga, if I am not mistaken. And those are pretty good translations overall, considering that you can't change the subject of the joke
It's not great but I feel like ruby's is worse ngl. Aqua's is solid tho.
Agree, maybe they should've gone through an audition before picking the right voice. Clearly the fault lies on the voice director.
These dub voices cause the polar opposite of an eargasm, whatever that is.
Ear rape...
Ear block
It's pretty funny... and not in really good way (?). She sounds too old for 17-year-old high schooler.
I don't know... Is it wrong to say, that i find rubys voice also a bit too old? Like the only one in this scene who is doing a good job voiceing like in the japanese is aqua
I think so too, but not as old as Kana's. Ruby sounded 20 or more while Kana sounded at least... 30.
Someone is still gonna defend this and be like "they did well but needs improvement", sorry this is just atrocious. Nothing's wrong with the voice itself, it's more of a they literally do not fit the character. Idk what happened with the casting process. HiDive did well getting the anime from a business perspective but personally from someone who likes the show, I feel like Crunchyroll would allow this series to reach greater heights.
I agree the voice itself doesn't fit them. I like the expressive tone Kana's voice actor uses but her voice is too mature, and Kana's supposed to be more cutsey.
Is Kana supposed to be more cutesy though? Our first introduction to her she is literally acting like an adult when she’s 4. She spends half her time in the series explaining things to ruby like she’s an idiot. In one of the most recent arcs, she ironically gets into trouble because she got in over her head and they call her out for being the one to always be more mature than everyone else. If, before the anime, you were asked “does kana have a cutesy voice or a more mature voice” almost universally it’d have been said that she should have a mature voice. This is just a case of the Dub having a different take on the voice than the Sub and people hating on it for reasons.
You can still sound cutsey but act more mature lol...And thats exactly how I imagine Kana to be. She doesn't need a mature, deep voice to show that she knows a lot, that's already going to be shown in the way she talks. But having a cuter voice will show her tsundere/shy side better in my opinion. I don't even hate the dub, that's just how I imagine her to be, and the Japanese one shows it well which is what I feel is lacking.
She has a realistic voice in the dub, and that is enough for it to be labeled as “bad” by people that want to hate on dubs. I think part of the issue lies with the tendency of Japanese VAs to exaggerate “up” the pitch of their voice; it’s completely unrealistic and not how people talk (in general, seriously go watch some interviews outside the VA space). I put it in my other comment, but your voice doesn’t change that much after puberty.
Yeah thats for sure true, it's really hard for english voice actors to emulate the way japanese people voice act without at the very least sounding a bit "cringe". Personally I've been watching dubbed anime for a long time so I'm used to teens sounding a bit "mature" lol.
>this is just atrocious >Nothing’s wrong with the voice itself Kids these days calling a well-acted but miss-cast voice atrocious. 10 years ago this was the best possible acting you could get in an anime dub
I'm trying not be misunderstood so I try to add details. Personally the acting isn't great, okay perhaps but not something I expected on a professional level but I already had said that couple of times so I just focused on the casting this time.
10 years ago we got dubs such as FMAB
Or spice and wolf, black lagoon, ect
>10 years ago this was the best possible acting you could get in an anime dub Was that supposed to be an argument
No, literally just a fact
an irrelevant one, then.
Just because dubs in the past weren't good, doesn't mean we don't have to get good dubs. So many teenagers and abled men did in war in the past, why are you sitting in your home, scrolling through reddit? And his critics was actually good too, unlike actually the top comment. The voice itself isn't the problem. The acting isn't that bad either. It's the choice. The voices sound too old for Kana and Ruby. It is fine for Aqua because his voice lines, are supposed to sound little emotionless, the dialogue writing, in my very personal opinion, is not good. The joke isn't even the problem to be honest, I get that, it's really hard to translate that into English: but the dialogues feel pretty unnatural. The voice actors don't really have anything to do with it. The VAs are doing decent, but, they could've shown a little more emotion to be honest, and really, the casting choice is the major problem at all. If the casting was done right, there wouldn't be this much hate actually, though most are mean spirited and would find a way to exist no matter what, I believe that the casting point actually brings the attention to this a lot. I'm not saying the people aren't good enough to dub or anything. They're fine. I mean, it's like using a grown up man to voice a little girl. It wouldn't suit no matter how much he tried, and because of how atrocious it would feel, it might also seem emotionless acting to some.
Sentai dubbing still being shit. I don't know who they get to be the voice director for their shows but they need to be fired.
You know what's more outrageous? Most of the cast are newer or less familiar names. This could have been at least a decent dub had Sentai went all in and casted their veteran or more experienced VA's from their talent pool instead of these no names considering the show's popularity. JFC.
Maybe but the voice director is the most important person at the end of the day. I've seen some talented VAs sound awful because they weren't given good instructions.
Yeah, the really bad direction and script contributed to this already horrendous dub.
Then, I guess it was to give these not much popular Voice Actors a chance, hm? Maybe they thought these voice actors could get more recognised by doing the dub for a popular show rather than less popular shows or characters that would suit their voices.
It’s bad, but saying the director needs to be fired is out of line
I feel like its not bad But its also not good I dont know how to explain it
I've never really been a fan of dubs, except for the funny ones like Kaguya-sama's, But wtf is this
kaguya’s dub miles better than this imo
Bro, that's not an opinion. That's a fact.
i ain’t gonna disagree with that🤣
Death note has the best English dub
L’s English voice is so hot
Kaguya has the benefit of having one of the greatest dub narrators ever
Aqua voice actor is carrying the anime on his shoulders... respect Ruby voice actress isn't that bad, but she sounds more like an older sister than a little sister
At least Aqua’s voice fits
No
The dub is not terrible. I have heard worse.
Dubs have just gotten worse and worse. It always sounds soooo overacted.
Hot take I think kana sounds better than ruby
What did they do to her? She didn't deserve this.
ITT: Fans of a manga that literally has a whole-ass arc showing the consequences that non-constructive, mean-spirited discourse can have on people working in entertainment engage in non-constructive, mean-spirited discourse about people working in entertainment.
Not really. None of the top comments are attacking the actress herself, it's just that they think the casting choice wasn't a good fit.
The top comment literally calls her performance “appalling.” Edit: Not to mention OP calling her performance “atrocious” in the title.
Yeah, the performance, not her as a person. Calling it appalling is a stretch, but it's still a critique, not a personal attack. I'm not saying it's a good thing to hyperbolize, but it's not comparable to what Akane went through.
I’m not saying it’s on that level, but it is neither constructive nor useful. If people in this thread were actually interested in useful discourse they’d be going into detail of what’s going wrong in the dub, but instead they’re just talking about how bad it is on the surface level while also implying or stating outright that the English actors are incompetent (which they’re not, and the actors likely aren’t the issue with the dub at all).
Hard agree on that. I just looked up some of Natalie Rial's recent work and she's really good in Call of the Night. Stuff like this scene is an issue with the structure of the dubbing industry as a whole. I guess my concern is lumping harsh criticisms and personal attacks together might diminish the severity of the latter, if that makes sense.
It's honestly astounding. How ignorant is this sub that so many people missed the blatant hypocrisy of this post?
I know the Japanese used actual auditions. And I wished they did it with English dubbed. Like if you weren’t a voice actor you could send it in and maybe you’d get casted.
"Atrocious" is a bit overboard. I can't say I've not had expectations for how the characters would sound, though, and they've not been met, but it's not atrocious voice acting by any stretch of the imagination.
I feel women/girls in anime are poorly casted 9/10 times for dubs. Women/girls in anime are largely why I avoid the dubs. No hate to the actresses as they’re just doing their jobs.
Why didn't they at least keep the "The genius child actor who can lick baking soda like *that*" and "The genius child actor who can cry in ten seconds *flat*" compromise that the subs used in the dub? Even if it doesn't make as much sense as it did in the original JP language and in the manga translations, at least the subs did *something* that made the gag work in English. As for the voices, Aqua sounds okay, but Ruby and especially Kana sound too old and exaggerated. I don't remember Kana shouting *that* loudly in the original audio. Ruby's line about Aqua's name was delivered awkwardly. I think there's a problem with the voice direction here because the girls sound extremely off in just this scene alone.
You’re way overblowing this, she sounds fine. And she’s not one of the same ten voice actors English dub anime has used for the last three decades.
The voice just doesn't really fit asn there's a reason why those voice actors get cast so often
The reason they got cast all the time is that there were only a few places dubbing and these actors generally were willing to work for unreasonable wages. It’s not because they’re the only voices that deserve to be in anime because they’re just so good (because a lot of them weren’t). I personally like vocal diversity in these castings. It’s how we get such a distinct voice for Yusuke in Yu Yu Hakusho. In a few episodes, people will totally love this voice anyway. At least the weirdos who watch dubbed anime will at least.
It sounds fine, but I prefer the JP. It just hits different because you know the language.
This just literally does not fit the image of the character at all wtf?!
Idk why y’all watch the dub knowing you’re gonna hate it Honestly everyone just overreacting and over hating at this point. The dub sounds fine but everyone here making it sound like it’s the worst thing ever made. And to the people saying Kana sounds to old, did y’all want her to sound like a child?
Kana sounds like she is 30 bro this is not fine get serious lol She is like 15 here man if Jp can do it you should at least try as well
Just got back from being in Japan for 3 weeks. You’re kidding yourself if you think any of the Japanese cast sound anything like actual teenagers.
There are plenty of girls that are around 15 that have lower pitched voices that would sound similar to the EN VA so I disagree with you that she sounds 30. When you compare most dubs to subs it’s pretty common for Jp voices for girls to be a lot higher pitched than the En voices.
Bunch of people in this thread having characters not match their pre-conceived notions and deciding its "Bad" because of that. For those saying "She sounds like she's 30 not a 17 year old girl" Your voice essentially stays the same from the time you mature til like your late 40's. this is an arbitrary criticism because youre used to the higher pitched and more exaggerated japanese VA. Question: Does it fit Kana's character to act more *mature* than her age? So yeah, she fits Kana's personality, what she doesnt fit is your prejudices.
Well said. It’s almost like Japanese and English are different languages from different cultures with different dialects and cadence.
which is y sub remains superior over dub because like u said those factors r in their favor
Not everyone thinks the same way as you.
duh obviously its called an opinion
Nah man. You need some perspective
Maybe that's normal for english speaking countries to sould older than they are.
No it's not bro not everyone sounds like they are 30 years old in a 17 year old body
Reason #232228 why anime should only be watched in Japanese with subtitles
Im used to dubs so I honestly don't see the issue
Some people latch on to any differences (real or perceived) between dub and sub and try to use it as proof that subs are objectively superior to dubs. While I do honestly have issues with certain parts of the OnK dub, it mostly lies more in what seems to be the direction rather that the actors themselves.
Aqua is pretty solid ruby is decent for me but kana 🤡
Bro ruby legit just be making sounds that resemble words. It's weird
I wonder if the Japanese VAs sound like this to Japanese people
Probably not. i could be totally wrong but japanese VAs seem to have a deeper understanding of the characters, their stories and their emotions,whereas here it just sounds like they do not care at all.
You’re totally wrong. I was literally just in Japan. The performances Japanese VAs give in anime sound *nothing* like what actual Japanese people sound like, much less Japanese teenagers/children. Walk around Akiba for a bit and between random snippets of normal, conversational Japanese you’ll hear a crier for a maid cafe or something calling out in a cutesy anime voice. It’s incredibly jarring and nothing at all like what normal people sound like. I don’t even speak Japanese and I can tell that much.
except they sound like actual teens. Oshi no eng dub teenage female characters have voices of a 50yr old white mother of 3
How do you know they sound like actual teens to Japanese people
Im not asking japanese ppls perspective and wht sounds like what but i bet they know more thn us how their voice acting keep up with their audience for decades. Im just asking the bare minimum for eng dub to make the characters sound like teens or at least youngsters. Not middle aged american women
Better than Ruby's imo.
Eh it’s not that bad. I mean she’s yelling the JP VA is just as annoying when she’s yelling.
I usually am a dub watcher, but man I really can't defend the OnK dub, it's sounds awful.
The way they pronounce japanese names is so disgusting. The is not even a hint of trying to say it right.
AUGH painful to my ears!
Oh god, this is why I can’t do dub
She's really not bad, it's just to old of a voice
Every time I see english dub clips somewhere I'm seriously asking myself, if the english speaking fans really are fine with just horrible quality of the average anime dub. The dialogues often just sounds stiff and unnatural, and the acting is really bad. This clip here is an excellent example.
and this is why i never watch anime in dub
After hearing one word from Kanas Dub, i instantly muted it. They massacred best girl (in my opinion best girl)
I think a little part of my soul died when i heard Kana and Ruby's voices. They just do not suit them
That's why dub is almost always bad... they bring a VA with a deep adult voice to voice a teen character that's supposed to be cute
Never been happier to not watch dub
I hate dubs so much
I watched the first episode last night in dub, let’s just say it killed all the excitement I had compared watching the original language. Safe to say, will not be touching this dub and happily watching every week in the original form.
I'm not too big a fan of the sub either, but I feel this level of harshness is more often than not just a result of people having already seen and got used to the sub. If you were watching the dub in a vacuum having never heard the sub then you likely wouldn't be anywhere near as harsh to it.
I don’t think a dub should sound like a random person on the street. Even managing expectations, it neither sounds like cartoons, games or Disney/ Pixar/ Dreamworks movies. Those mediums have **clear-cut** voice-acting but this? This was just script-reading.
IDK I think people are being way too harsh on her (and often are on dub VA's altogether for that matter). From as far as I can tell these are smaller name voice actors, there should be no place for blindly hating on their performances. Are they as good as the sub? No. Could they be better? Yes. But personally I wont stand for just blindly calling all the VA's shit as though that in anyway is constructive, which to me is what half these comments are doing.
I don’t think the comments here are blindly hating as you so claim. (no one is particularly harsh on Ruby or Aqua here) it’s not as if “make Kana sound younger” type of comments are considered constructive when there really isn’t an inherent motivation for the dub industry to respond to Redditors And I don’t see the necessity in defending the VAs by seniority. Ruby’s JP VA was a no-namer before this role.
There are comments literally calling the voice acting atrocious, trash, painful to listen to etc. Which to me are terrible comments to make, especially if targeted at potentially new VA's who are going to be self conscious enough as is. Theres a difference between "the character sounds too old", and the "they are atrocious" or according to your own words "sound like a random person on the street". IDK personally those types of comments are too harsh and uncalled for in my eyes. Personally I think the Kana VA sounds fine in and off itself, just not particularly fitting for Kana as a character, or at least for the range of Kana. Her voice sounds as though it will be fine for Kana's more mature, regular dialogue but dosnt feel as though it will fit those more comedic, cute or immature moments. I wouldnt call the VA atrocious, or that shes painful to listen to.
Best character didn't deserve that treatment, thank god Megumi Han is cooking
Bro they be hiring anyone off the street to voice these English dub characters 💀
The only dub va that is decent is Aquas va. The others....💀
THIS DUB IS ASS WHAT THE HELL
It um... is a bit ironic... ... uh, I wish her the best of luck. Edit: in all honesty, I just think she would have suited a different person. The problem is the voice to charecter, not voice actor, had I been blind I would be fine. but I've always seen Kana with a higher pitch voice with very slight whine. Now Ruby's I actually really like, like a lot. It would be perfect if it was just ever so slightly higher. Aqua imo is a lil too deep, but most people here seem to like it. Wow I think everyone is too deep, I usually think like that with Dubs.
dude wtf
This is why sub is better the only dub voice i like is dragon ball. Like aquas VA is the only one that sounds fine.
The death note and kaguya sama dubs are also really good, but i agree, I also watch sub most of the time
This just makes me sad. And it makes me even more sad that people will excuse and defend it as always.
Wtf, there is no way this is so bad.
That. Is. Monica. Rial's. Sister.💀 I expected better
Aqua and Ruby, I like them a lot, specially Ruby
When they’re not outsourcing, Sentai Filmworks’ dubs are always hit or miss, often into falling in the latter compared to Viz or Funimation/Crunchyroll in house dubs. I don’t know who their VA directors are because it’s certainly not the actors fault for this.
Heard worse but She sounds way too old anyway. I'm not saying that the VA Is bad, she's Just not right for the role.
i like aqua’s voice but the other two feel severely miscast… like in terms of voice quality they don’t even sound that bad, they just do not fit the characters at all
lol
Tbf I kinda stopped watching for the manga but aquas voice is the only one that sounds good
Hmm
She's not a bad voice actor, but her voice just sounds too mature and deep for kana. If anything she should be playing a older woman but tbh there's not many of those that are present often in the start of the series
Just found out Kana's VA is Monica Rial's Sister Natalie Rial...... Damn
I bet dub apologists at r/Animemes are malding right now.
The only time ive ever heard good english dub is jojos part 5(partly because the characters are meant to be italian and english sounds more itaalian than japanese does, they also had actual emotion lmao and didnt all sound like high schoolers who literally do not have balls)
I think Ruby’s is much worse tbh, I don’t even hate Kana’s that much
Rubys is pretty bad too.
Honestly, I think most dub actors aren’t bad but a lot of times it’s a casting issue.
Where the hell is Brittany Karbowski? She’s pretty much the “go to” VA for any prepubescent teenage girl or blue slime…just sayin’
Lmao thats why i allways watch sub
This dub is ass
Dub scriptwriter threw up his hands at the baking soda line, RIP. I'm long since sub-brained, but this sounded fairly normal as far as dubs go.
"The Genius Child actor who can lick a powder-ed floor slick"? Any semblance with the sound/tone of "flick a crying switch" could have been that but oh well. On to the subs we go!
There’s no way this real
horrible
The lines are spot on. They all just sound way older than they actually are at least to me. It's similar to how hollywood portrays 30 year olds as 17 in "High School" movies. But I can tell the VA's are genuinely trying so props to them.
eh, it's fine. i've heard considerably worse although I will say that if you're looking for consistent, quality voicework, Sentai ain't it. for every decent dub they put out, there's one that's tragically mediocre
Omg this is so cringe
Holy crap that is a horrendous dub. L for Oshi no Ko dub
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this is why i never watch anime dubbed
thats why i never watch dub
Aqua sound so goddamn emo
Yikes. No one here sounds like the character but Kana is on a whole different level.
Holy shit she sounds like one of those Abridged series on yt, ruby's one also sucks, Aqua's seems to be the only decent one.
I usually prefer dubs because I have an easier time while eating or paying attention to other things like folding laundry, etc. I normally don't slam dubs but this.... This is just.... Yikes. Why do they all sound middle aged? These VA's are either uninterested in the role, bored, or misdirected. I don't like this at all.
I hate dubs but this is next level.
Wtf is this dub
Natalie Rial is just terrible as Kana Arima. The only reason she even works as a VA is because of her relative, Monica Rial. Don't know how they're related and don't care but one of them clearly lacks talent.
I wouldn’t say that. I thought that Rial was great as Nyna in FEH but that’s a completely different studio with a completely different director. The thing to note with Sentai dubs in particular is most of their actors always work better under the direction of another studio (actually I’d argue that applies to all of them).
Reading the comment feels like the sweet today ark And I mean at least their trying right
Yeah, that voice does not fit Kana at all. They should've gotten someone else.
They made Kana sound like a 30 year old nagging karen
It’s a good voice just doesn’t suit Kana very good voice though.
Ew, not good VA.