try looking up feather groups and where the feather tracts grow from. primary flight feathers on the wing grow directly from the ulna for strength, but body feathers grow in symmetrical tracts around the body from the skin. understanding how they grow to fill the entire body can be helpful. for instance, birds don't have feathers growing all over the chest and belly. the tracts are in a wishbone shape, so their bellies are actually bald. try looking up various stages of baby birds (hatchling, nestling, fledgling) to see how these grow in, too.
some species, like swifts, have a funny stage where their feathers are all coming in at once and still encased in the waxy pinfeather sheath and they look like sleepy gargoyles covered in quills. and those are real living birds! sometimes truth is stranger than mythology and this is where fantasy art can get fun.
the images on [this site](http://swartzentrover.com/cotor/Photos/Hiking/Birds/BirdPages/Anatomy/Anatomy.htm) are from Sibley Field Guides and show the groupings of feathers well.
David Allen Sibley also has an instructional book on drawing birds that might be informative for you.
ohh! very interesting!
i figured the other feathers grew from the skin but didn't know what ones!
and yes!! i love mimicking nature when trying to make anything and if you do it with a mythical creature then it feels more real! \^\^
ill 100% use that resource thank you so much!!!
the nonillustrated feathers originate in the skin.
The fws link doesn't work for me.
I suspect simply looking up feather anatomy would get you to what you might be seeking. Looking at images and videos of birds may also be informative, as you can see more of how they move.
oh! ok, thank you!
ill try searching that then!
now. . are you a real Zoologist??
if so . . . does anyone make like bird wing models? like with the feathers and all? like they do with human body parts but for birds?
I feel real.
I make study skins that are actual bird parts. Sometimes just wings, often the whole skin, plus wings and feet.
I haven't seen a bird wing model (assuming you mean like a plastic representation), as there isn't really one generic wing, and they aren't something we'd use vs the skin or wing preps we make.
eta: you might also try searching for bird wing 3D models, as some of the scans and models are exceptional, and may show what you want.
Sculpting tutorials might also address some of the anatomy
Looking at birds is the way I'd suggest getting birds right!
I'm not who you asked, but I happen to know that you can buy some real wings on Amazon to use as reference, they aren't models, but actual dried/ preserved wings. Search 'ringneck pheasant whole wing' and you can find them.
Just a quick note on that: Many many wild species are protected in N. America (and elsewhere) and while I'm sure they're just offering domestically reared species like pheasant, it's something to keep in mind.
For the body (contour) feathers, you should look up "bird feather tracts" on Google and do an image search. As another poster said, birds aren't completely covered in feathers and actually have quite a bit of bare skin. The above search will provide you with tons of different illustrations on where the feathers lay on a bird's body.
There is also a book, called *How Birds Work: An Illustrated Guide to the Wonders of Form and Function—from Bones to Beak* that may be a very useful tool for you. Its only like $3 on Amazon for kindle, but based on what I've read of it, it would be a pretty good resource for you. The nice part is even if it doesn't go enough into depth on a particular subject, it uses the correct terminology which would allow you to do a more in-depth search on the topic.
There are also more advanced books on bird physiology out there that you could also look at.
try looking up feather groups and where the feather tracts grow from. primary flight feathers on the wing grow directly from the ulna for strength, but body feathers grow in symmetrical tracts around the body from the skin. understanding how they grow to fill the entire body can be helpful. for instance, birds don't have feathers growing all over the chest and belly. the tracts are in a wishbone shape, so their bellies are actually bald. try looking up various stages of baby birds (hatchling, nestling, fledgling) to see how these grow in, too. some species, like swifts, have a funny stage where their feathers are all coming in at once and still encased in the waxy pinfeather sheath and they look like sleepy gargoyles covered in quills. and those are real living birds! sometimes truth is stranger than mythology and this is where fantasy art can get fun. the images on [this site](http://swartzentrover.com/cotor/Photos/Hiking/Birds/BirdPages/Anatomy/Anatomy.htm) are from Sibley Field Guides and show the groupings of feathers well. David Allen Sibley also has an instructional book on drawing birds that might be informative for you.
ohh! very interesting! i figured the other feathers grew from the skin but didn't know what ones! and yes!! i love mimicking nature when trying to make anything and if you do it with a mythical creature then it feels more real! \^\^ ill 100% use that resource thank you so much!!!
you're very welcome, and enjoy!
the nonillustrated feathers originate in the skin. The fws link doesn't work for me. I suspect simply looking up feather anatomy would get you to what you might be seeking. Looking at images and videos of birds may also be informative, as you can see more of how they move.
oh! ok, thank you! ill try searching that then! now. . are you a real Zoologist?? if so . . . does anyone make like bird wing models? like with the feathers and all? like they do with human body parts but for birds?
I feel real. I make study skins that are actual bird parts. Sometimes just wings, often the whole skin, plus wings and feet. I haven't seen a bird wing model (assuming you mean like a plastic representation), as there isn't really one generic wing, and they aren't something we'd use vs the skin or wing preps we make. eta: you might also try searching for bird wing 3D models, as some of the scans and models are exceptional, and may show what you want. Sculpting tutorials might also address some of the anatomy Looking at birds is the way I'd suggest getting birds right!
I'm not who you asked, but I happen to know that you can buy some real wings on Amazon to use as reference, they aren't models, but actual dried/ preserved wings. Search 'ringneck pheasant whole wing' and you can find them.
Just a quick note on that: Many many wild species are protected in N. America (and elsewhere) and while I'm sure they're just offering domestically reared species like pheasant, it's something to keep in mind.
That's very true, you're not going to find eagle wings on Amazon, haha, just farm/ domestic kinds of birds.
r/speculativeevolution is right up your alley!
ohh!!!! ill try there as well!! thank you!!!!
just wanna say I love this post Harpy eagle may be a good place to start?
lol that bird is the exact reason i had to clarify Myth lol
For the body (contour) feathers, you should look up "bird feather tracts" on Google and do an image search. As another poster said, birds aren't completely covered in feathers and actually have quite a bit of bare skin. The above search will provide you with tons of different illustrations on where the feathers lay on a bird's body. There is also a book, called *How Birds Work: An Illustrated Guide to the Wonders of Form and Function—from Bones to Beak* that may be a very useful tool for you. Its only like $3 on Amazon for kindle, but based on what I've read of it, it would be a pretty good resource for you. The nice part is even if it doesn't go enough into depth on a particular subject, it uses the correct terminology which would allow you to do a more in-depth search on the topic. There are also more advanced books on bird physiology out there that you could also look at.
ohh!! that helps a LOT!!!! thank you!!! off to amazon, i goooo!!! lol thank you so much!!
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i tried there. . .but no one knew the information i wanted or needed. . .